Have You Heard Of Black Shuck?
Posted by Dependent-Age-6271@reddit | AskABrit | View on Reddit | 329 comments
Without googling, tell me, what do you know (and please reply even if you don't know) about Black Shuck? I've almost finished a series of short horror stories that are modern takes on British folklore.
In my final story, I have a detective from Camden who moves to Norfolk and investigates a series of murders. I'd like to know how likely it is or isn't that he'd be aware of that particular legend, given that he's not really local to the area.
So I'm after an indication of how widely known the myth of Black Shuck is within England. For bonus points: besides your own personal knowledge, how popular (or not) do YOU think the legend is aming people you know?
mkside@reddit
The Black shuck reminds me of that one Sherlock Holmes story. Sherlock Holmes and the hound of the baskavilles I think. Might have fudged up the name. To my knowledge the ghost hound from the hound of the baskavilles was actually based on the legend of the Black shuck.
carnagexscissors@reddit
Yes, I was at the Black Shuck festival this year.
JohnnyOneLung@reddit
Never heard of it. 54 years old, from London/Kent/Essex
montyzac@reddit
I didnt until last year. Went for a walk around Bungy and that town is all about the Black Shuck.
charge24hours@reddit
I grew up in Suffolk and am very familiar with stories of black shuck. Speculating was a fun way of freaking yourself out when walking alone in the country at night.
Plasticman328@reddit
I have seen Black Shuck! I was walking my dog across farmland in rural Lancashire. Looking across a small valley into the next field I saw a large dog that looked like an alsatian. Only thing was that it was absolutely black and very large. It ran at speed across the field with no human in view. It was such a striking image that it immediately put me in mind of Black Shuck and I could imagine an early farmer or traveller seeing it and thinking it was diabolical.
Glad-Perception-7865@reddit
I have, but only because of The Darkness song of the same name.
Alarming_Matter@reddit
"And his eeeeeeyes, numbered but one and shone like the sun" Fucking brilliant.
That dog don't give a fuck.
YalsonKSA@reddit
The Darkness were famously from Lowestoft on the East Anglian coast, so that probably tells you something.
I grew up in Suffolk, so around Black Shuck country. I knew about it, but only because I was a book geek and read about it. Big black ghostly (?) dog that supposedly menaced people and appeared in places to augur of an impending death? I didn't know much beyond what I read, but then my family were transplants from London. I gather it was much more commonly known by people whose families had been in the area for much longer, like some of the people I worked with.
ExpectedDickbuttGotD@reddit
me too. I believe it's a dog, like the one in Harry Potter. but I probably only know that because I suspect I googled it when I heard The Darkness song, so technically I broke OPs rule.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks for replying!!
Drstrangelove899@reddit
That dog don't give a fuck!
TheSouthsideTrekkie@reddit
Haha was coming to also say this. That first album was banging.
nibor@reddit
Came to say the same think.
TheGeordieGal@reddit
Was going to see all I know is it’s the name of a song.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thankyou!
BBB-GB@reddit
Not goggling...
Its a giant black devil dog or something?
Vaguely remember a british band in 2003/4 singing about it.
I can't remember the name of the band but why were briefly famous.
Again, no googling, but I think they sang "take your mama out all night".
Damn, using memory is hard. No Google is tough.
BBB-GB@reddit
I scrolled down.
It's the Darkness. I'm not mad.
padmasundari@reddit
They didn't do "Take Your Mama" though, that was Scissor Sisters.
BBB-GB@reddit
Indeed it eas.
See the problem of trying to retrieve 20 year old memories without using Google.
"One way ticket to hell and back" - that was them right?
TheLastHeroHere@reddit
It's a legendary wild dog but larger, crazier and a tendency to stalk. Similar to the beast of Bodmin in its reputation. The Darkness had a song about it on their debut album too.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
That's the one!
TheLastHeroHere@reddit
It's not so well known, I've heard more mention of the supposed "Panther" where I'm from.
crystalandfern@reddit
Yes- Charlie Cooper (of This Country) made a BBC series about folklore called Myth Country, and that was one of the stories he looked at. It’s all on iplayer x
lulu131992@reddit
What about the talking mongoose? Used to read about that as a child and used to scare me.
padmasundari@reddit
Gef!
lulu131992@reddit
Did i imagine they made it into a film with Simon Pegg?
Wolfdarkeneddoor@reddit
I'm East Anglian born & bred. It's a pretty well-known legend in these parts. There's even a Black Shuck Distillery in Norfolk.
I say legend because I know personally of a sighting second-hand. Someone apparently saw an enormous black dog with red eyes in the early 1990s while driving at night in Cambridgeshire. Soon afterwards her aunt died.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Relevant-ish username! Thanks for taking the time to answer. Cool to hear the lore is still alive and well!
Wolfdarkeneddoor@reddit
It is interesting people still claim to have the odd sighting. Tbat's the only one I know of personally though.
padmasundari@reddit
I love that! I grew up with all sorts of funny little traditions and superstitions from my maternal grandmother, I hope kids still get all that kind of stuff now that there's the internet and everything's so easily debunked. I devoured scary folklore from all over the place as a kid, and because I read it all in books from the non-fiction part of the library, I didnt realise it meant non-fiction as in "these are a bunch of myths from places, they're not actually real", I took it to mean "be so fucking glad you don't live in this country that you have no idea where it is because you're 7 and terrible at geography! The Gibbering Ghost will hide in a waterfall and it will Fuck. You. Up. Be grateful you're not in Malaysia, a disembodied head with guts dangling down will chase you and eat you or something! At least all you have is an olden days dog that no-one's seen for years!"
Wolfdarkeneddoor@reddit
While people debunk these experiences, people still have them & I don't think they are easily explained away. I know people could be making stuff up, but some of the experiences people have do seem culturally specific (e.g. I remember reading one tale from Malaysia which was straight out of their folklore). I have also heard tales from people directly where I'm sure they're not lying (e.g. someone was cursed by an Aborigine & died).
padmasundari@reddit
Oh, I'm with you, sorry if it came across like I was just going "oh its definitely 100% bollocks", cos I grew up being told by family members on both sides that it absolutely was true. I don't know what I think now, personally, but I do think that at the very least things happened that can't be explained "rationally", as it were.
My grandmother on one side would swear on her kids lives that she knew to go to the Anderson shelter in WW2 before the sirens, because a ghost shook her bed. I think she truly believed that too.
My other grandmother told me about how her aunt got upset during dinner one evening (also WW2), crying and devastated because she saw her son who'd been sent abroad somewhere standing behind his wife with his hand on her shoulder, and then the next day they got a knock on the door with a telegram to say he'd been killed in battle. Again, I don't know what I think of it, but I know they all believed in it.
My own aunt got really angry with me and my cousins once for hiding her chequebook, we were all thick as thieves and none of us owned up to it, and I think they'd have told me if they'd hidden it, I certainly didn't, I remember her tearing the house apart looking for it, pulling the drawers completely out of the bureau and taking everything out item by item and putting it back the same way, several times, and then after hours of this, opening the drawer for the Nth time and asking "the ghost" to give it back because she needed it, and the chequebook sitting smack bang in the centre of the drawer on top of everything. I was there and saw that happen. She had always insisted that a previous owner of the house was this postie who'd died in the house, and she was adamant that he haunted the place and pulled pranks on her all the time.
My mum swears that she saw a medium after my sister died, and that the first time she'd gone to her, the medium told her that my sister said to say thank you for the beautiful freesias, and mum was like "wtf" because she'd planted some bulbs on my sister's grave but they were barely shoots that morning when she'd walked the dog (she went to her grave every time she walked the dog), and when she went there that evening my mum will swear on my sister's grave that those freesias had fully grown and were all in bloom, it was way too early in the year for them still and they'd been about an inch high that same morning. Mum had the tapes of the sessions and I'd heard them when I was a teenager, about 10 years after my sister had died, and asked Mum about what the freesias thing was about, and she told me that then. She even said she went into it thinking it would all be bollocks but wanted some comfort and someone she'd worked with said she was good, Mum dismissed it initially as a load of shit, everything she'd said could be guessed, etc, but when she'd said the thing about the freesias Mum had thought "well how would she know I'd planted freesias? They're not the sort of thing you usually put on a grave", and it was only April so they'd not be flowering then anyway, she'd only planted the bulbs a couple of weeks before.
It's easy to dismiss all these sorts of things as people being flighty, or easily led, or stupid, or badly educated, or naive, or whatever. But these are all women I know very well and none of those words are ones I would use to describe any of them. They weren't generally gullible, they didn't/don't swallow anything you tell them, these were all stories that each of them would tell you as their "wtf moment", if you like.
itfcdeano@reddit
I like 7 miles from Blythburgh church....black shuck is a commonly known legend around here. I've even seen the marks in the church :)
HumorPsychological60@reddit
Growing up in North Norfolk yes I have
Supposedly a huge black dog that haunts the area
There was a large golf course near me and there were rumours of people sighting it there on foggy days
padmasundari@reddit
42yo, born and raised in Essex. Absolutely knew about Black Shuck in childhood.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Cheers, helps a lot
padmasundari@reddit
Interestingly (or perhaps not), i have asked a few other people. So my friends from Essex are mixed as to whether they had heard of it, but my mum (70, born in Walthamstow, one parent a born and raised in the sound of Bow bells cockney, one parent raised in a tiny village in Norfolk mind you), had heard of it and has no idea who the darkness are/were.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
I'm fascinated by the rich folklore of the british isles. We have the aboriginal dreamtime stories here in Australia, but they're very different to the ghostly/demonic/fairy type folklore of Europe and the UK. We have such a small and scattered population and only 230-odd years of written/colonial history, so the lore side of our collective memory is quite different to you guys.
I find this stuff fascinating
padmasundari@reddit
Funny, isn't it really, how much we appreciate others' stuff and are less interested in our own! As it goes, I have a name that's very unusual in the UK but I understand is very common in New Zealand, which was fairly interchangeable with Australia for me as a kid in the 80s and early 90s, pre-internet, and I would have absolutely loved to hear and learn about those stories, and may now go and look up about them.
As I got older I got more interested in our own stories too and lived in Beccles for a while (very close to Bungay), and went on a ghost walk around Beccles and learned loads about some curiosities there, too. The tiny headstone on top of a chimney of what is now an estate agent is one that particularly stuck with me - https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2520909
I'd be interested to read your stories when you're done, so I hope you let us know!
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Very true about not appreciating or recognising what we have in our own backyard. For no particular to reason (an interest in viking and medieval history perhaps, or a love of Blackadder and Monty Python), I'd always dreamed of living in England. Moved there, solo, as soon as I left high school. Only then did I appreciate the sunny, beach-side home I'd left behind. Still have a great and inexplicable affinity for all things British and Irish.
I've finished stories on Black Annis, "changelings", Sawney Bean, the Edinburgh Vaults, the werewolves of the ancient Irish kingdom of Ossary, Wistman's Wood in Devon, the Scottish Kelpie and a few others. I'll PM you!
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Oh, and some goblin-type creature on the English/Scottish border called "Redcap"; the Irish Banshee; the Boggart/Boogeyman; and the mythical Gaelic island of Tech Duinn, which is basically an island of damned souls living in thr underworld.
Evening-Mess-3593@reddit
I think Elgoods do a beer named Black Shuck
International-You-13@reddit
I had only heard of it because I walked from Sheringham to Cromer and back again a few summers ago.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Ha, Cromer is a key locale in the little story I'm writing. Thanks for taking the time to reply
Prestigious-Candy166@reddit
East London until 11. Mid Essex until 24, and then Leafy Surrey for next 60 years. I've never heard of "Black Shuck." And I don't think my parents ever did... 40 years in Sudbury, Suffolk.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks for the reply. It's helped to see the whole range of answers, rather than just those in the affirmative
Bored-internet-user@reddit
Black shuck is a very large black dog/wolf type creature with read eyes, that roams around the Norfolk countryside and usually appears at darkness.
It has an omen of death around it, so if you are lucky enough to catch a glimpse of him, expect the worst soon. Usually seen on the roads near the Fens.
I have read the book you mentioned in your post as I am from Norfolk, and interested in crime fiction from the local area.
padmasundari@reddit
The audacity!
Real_Run_4758@reddit
yes, readers digest book of the unexplained traumatised me as a child. fuck black shuck and fuck borley rectory
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
I had a few sleepless nights as a kid after reading about Borley rectory
Real_Run_4758@reddit
my dad grew up in enfield, so he used to regale us with tales of the ‘haunting’ that happened when he was a kid.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
The Enfield poltergeist? Even creepier.
Australia doesn't have as rich a folklore or as many ghost stories / "haunted" locales as the UK. I spent many sleepless nights reading about haunted british castles and battlefields and things. Always had a strange fascination with UK ghosts amd boogey monsters
cozzy2646@reddit
Haha...usbournes book of ghosts at the school book fair vibes here!
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks for everyone that took the time to answer. Very much appreciated
Stinkinhippy@reddit
Never heard of it/him.
worcestershire born and raised.
holdawayt@reddit
Hello fellow Worcestershirian
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
I love your sauce
holdawayt@reddit
We thank you, collectively
RRC_driver@reddit
We have our own black dog legend in Worcestershire.
https://ghostsofredditch.weebly.com/black-dog.html
There’s a few others around the midlands.
But I’ve heard of old shuck / black shuck from Essex
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thankyou! It/he is a black "demon" dog from East Anglican folklore.
random_character-@reddit
Anglian
blubbery-blumpkin@reddit
I like the idea of an Anglican priest who’s actually a demon dog in disguise though.
douxsoumis@reddit
I'd rather watch this movie than 'VelociPastor' - about a priest who can turn into raptor.
Corrie7686@reddit
I've lived in a few places around the UK, I don't know this thing /person
random_character-@reddit
Did you respond to the wrong comment, or you don't know what 'Anglian' means?
Corrie7686@reddit
I Responded to the wrong comment.
Snoo_23014@reddit
My granddad saw it on the North Yorkshire moors driving to the seaside.
baildodger@reddit
And what was your grandad doing?
Snoo_23014@reddit
He was driving the family from west Yorkshire to Whitby, so went over the North Yorkshire moors. My mum was a little girl, so this would have been around 1950. He had a little Humber van with a sliding door, and as it was summer he would leave it open so the girls could get some air. They couldn't set off until late, so by the time they got up to the moors it was full dark. He told me precisely where it was ( The tale was told to me because I once drove him past the exact spot!) , but I cant remember where , although it was near Pickering I think. He shouted at the girls to shut the door, waking up my mother and gunned the engine. He never mentioned to them what had him spooked. As far as the person who sees him dying, well my granddad DID die, but it was 50 years later so doesnt seem connected.
I actually stole the name "shuck" for an orc like race in a book I wrote, as its derived from an old english word for "devil" or "demon".
tinymoominmama@reddit
Cool little bit of family lore! I think Black Shuck is geographically limited to East Anglia but there's a few similar legends around the British Isles which might be a better fit. Now I'm goggling!
Snoo_23014@reddit
I think it's called a Barghest in Yorkshire, but when my grandad mentioned it in whitby, he was told it was black shuck. Maybe it's an East coast thing?
Funny how Bram Stoker described a black dog like creature with red eyes as Dracula landed in whitby!
tinymoominmama@reddit
Barghest =Yorkshire Gytrash, referred to by the Bronte's, apparently.
Exotic-Astronaut6662@reddit
Yes read the story as a kid at school, walked home that day across the fields in pea soup fog and met a dog running down the path in the opposite direction. Nearly shit myself
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
I would have done the same!
andronicuspark@reddit
Like the dog?
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
That's it
mrbadger2000@reddit
Norfolk boy. I've seen his claw marks on the church door.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Cheers for answering
Srapture@reddit
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks for taking the time to answer. Genuinely appreciate it
Wasps_are_bastards@reddit
No?
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks for takig the time to reply
Oldsoldierbear@reddit
never heard of it
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks for taking the time to answer. Much appreciated!
cardinalb@reddit
The Darkness wrote a song about it which was the opening track from their debut album. Were it not for that I would be in blissful ignorance.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Really helps me get an idea of how common (or not) this folklore is
Sundial360@reddit
Black Shuck is well known in East of England and Central too. There is also a place called Shuckburgh, not in Norfolk but on the Warwickshire and Northamptonshire border. The family seat there is one of the oldest in the country, thought to have originated from the Vikings. The local market town is Daventry (Dane-tree). There were rumours of black dogs there and a goatman a couple of years ago. Think it was in Fortean Times or similar.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Gonna look up Shuckburgh now
Sundial360@reddit
Also worth saying that the pub name The Black Dog has connotations to folk lore also. There are many across Central England.
Secure-Property4926@reddit
If no one has mentioned it check out Charlie coopers myth country on bbc - there is an episode on black shuck
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks, I'll give it a watch
Cantseemtothrowaway@reddit
Just came to say about this. It the only reason I’ve heard of Black Shuck
CityOfNorden@reddit
This is the only reason I know of it.
migrainedujour@reddit
Of course! Scared me shitless as a kid
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks for the reply! I'm assuming the myth scared you. Or did you have a chance meeting with an unusual black dog?
migrainedujour@reddit
Well no it was the myth - and the warnings about where it lurks (which seemed to be everywhere!) - but my god, it made me extremely wary large black dogs in general as a (very) young kid.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Cheers for the reply. Really appreciate the time everyone's taken to help me with this
YorkshireDrifter@reddit
I have no awareness of 'Black Shuck,' I am well educated sith a vreat r than average appreciation of history and folklore though not of Norfolk. Does that help?
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
It definitely does!!! Thankyou. I need to know whether my protagonist would likely know about it, or need to be educated by an old-timey local. It's a black demon-dog by the way. Said to have killed some people in medieval times (contemporary accounts of a dog attack), then the story morphed into sightings of a ghostly black dog being an omen of doom.
Thankyou!
West_Inside_3112@reddit
There now is Black shuck gin, that might give a hook for the dog to be introduced? If your characters drink, rather than a local just volunteering the story.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Great idea!!! Cheers
YorkshireDrifter@reddit
Black dogs do crop up in rural myths through out these islands so your hound is but one such. Some are reputed to seek out young females and to by what ever means enjoy a union with them. In many areas the mythical dog has been replaced by a large black cat variously described as a panther. So far I have not heard of these feline legends exhibiting any carnal intentions ....
RaedwaldRex@reddit
Black Shuck.
I'm from Suffolk so have definitely heard of Black Shuck. The devil dog, if you look into his eyes you will die within a year.
The story goes he tried to attack parishioners in the village of Blythburgh whilst they were in the church and the proest gave his life protecting them. You can see his claw marks on the door to this day .
Also, have a read of this. Bones of massive dog found in nearby Abbey. Maybe he was real
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/21720111.leiston-bones-devil-dog-black-shuck/
Present_Program6554@reddit
That dog roams in Scotland as well. I heard all about it as a child. It didn't have the same name but the red eyed dog stories scared the shit out of me when I was at primary school.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks for taking the time to reply!
Aware-Conference9960@reddit
Fellow Suffolker, yes I have. It's a local legend but many counties have their own demon dog stories
IHoppo@reddit
Fellow Suffolk dweller, can confirm the claw marks on Blythburgh church doors.
Azyall@reddit
Yep, know about Black Shuck. Visited the church at Blythburgh specifically to see the claw marks on the door. Not native to East Anglia, but now lived here 20+ years. Think I learned about Black Shuck not long after moving here, but I'm interested in folklore, so...
CassieBeeJoy@reddit
My nan would tell me to be wary of Black Shuck (we're from Norfolk) and we went to the Black Shuck festival this year. I don't think many people outside of Norfolk/Suffolk know of it unless they have an interest in folklore
TobsterVictorSierra@reddit
I understand it's the term Sean Connery uses for liquorice sweets.
SamCropper@reddit
The Darkness song
mythical big black dog who scratched the door of the Holy Trinity Church in Blythburgh (still visible today).
Limp_Chemical9814@reddit
Never heard of it
Leicsbob@reddit
I used to read a lot of ghost books and folklore when I was a kid in the 70s/80s and black devil dogs were common. Black Shuck was definitely mentioned.
Fine-University-8044@reddit
I’ve never heard of Black Shuck before. Not from books, films or songs.
Madoldbat1@reddit
I have. As a child when being driven home in the dark I used to try to see glowing red eyes. They were only ever rear lights 😔
Queen_of_London@reddit
Never heard of it. I'm in a demographic quite likely to have known about it, too - not from Norfolk, but went on holiday there a lot as a kid, and love folklore and generally learning stuff.
Now that I know what it is, the basic idea of a massive black dog as an omen of doom or is common folklore, just not always by that specific name. And now I've learned another bit of folklore, thanks!
WolverineOk4248@reddit
It's referenced in one if the Mythos (Julian Simpson) stories - the one with the tradional country ideal. Notes there the more widely known idea that Hound of Baskerville is based on it.
The_Phantom78@reddit
Yes, I read about him in a book about ghosts and hauntings when I was a kid. He's some kind of hell hound isn't he.
herwiththepurplehair@reddit
From the east of England with Norfolk relatives so yeah, but reminded of tales from my youth by the Darkness song
languageservicesco@reddit
West Sussex - never heard of it before. I am not familiar with any legend from there involving a black dog.
IDFGMC@reddit
I grew up on the East London and Essex border, in my 50's and love that kind of stuff (I assume as I haven't looked it up yet) and I've never heard of Black Shuck.
Wickedbitchoftheuk@reddit
Yes. It's the nickname for the devil that is used in some (?) northern regions of England.
Thats-me-that-is@reddit
Black shuck is a devil dog, in the big black dog mould
Glittering_Goblin@reddit
East Anglian resident, definitely, specifically associated with Bungay and Blythburgh ... I'm certain there's all sorts of Black Shuck festivals throughout the year, and also a handful of Black Shuck named beers and ales around Norwich and the local breweries
LordPeppercorn@reddit
I live in norwich & work a lot in north norfolk so have heard about black shuck lots,it was only whilst working at a place where arthur conan doyle once stayed i was made aware of the connectoion to the hound of the baskervilles.
Was allways freaked out by black dogs.
LupercalLupercal@reddit
Big black devil dog, we had tales of it as a kid in our local area (South Cumbria) and recently watched Charlie Cooper do a documentary about it
Open-Trip@reddit
Yes. It’s a distillery in Norfolk that makes amazing tipples!
Distant_Planet@reddit
Big, black ghostly dog. Seeing it is an omen associated with death, but can mean a lucky escape or that you are protected in some way. I don't think the dog itself is supposed to be threatening.
Lincolnshire. I vaguely remember this from childhood, so I think it's a relatively well known piece of folklore.
c_dug@reddit
I've lived in zone 6 London / Essex for 30 years and have never heard of Black Shuck.
Mountain_Strategy342@reddit
Yep. I was made and raised in East Anglia.
winterknight1979@reddit
There's Black Dog legends all over England but he's only really called Shuck in Norfolk and Suffolk. So it's likely your detective would be aware of the general idea but might know it as a Barghest or Grim or something similar, and probably wouldn't be aware of the "Strange and Terrible Wunder" sightings in 1577.
Sea-Still5427@reddit
I live in Suffolk and I'm aware of it. More of a Norfolk thing though. Don't forget, rural Norfolk is about 80 miles and 100 years from London.
winterknight1979@reddit
The two most famous sightings of Shuck were both in Suffolk (Blythbrough and Bungay)
cozzy2646@reddit
I think black shuck and other devil dog stories are pretty familiar...i mean..hound of the baskervilles is a classic example of something similar, from our near past...and it would be widely referenced in documents and or local ephemera such as reading a website about a village in Suffolk and it being mentioned, which would lead us deeper into its mythology. It's easily placed in pop culture like familial sayings such as 'dont walk across the moors at night' and 'dont stray from the path' even if we didn't know the noun Black Shuck. However, it is a cultural reference. If you were into mysteries and / or paranormal, you'd probably know about it dependant on age etc.
Huitzelle@reddit
I do, but I'm the sort of person who took an online course in British folklore so probably a little further from the middle of the bell curve. Pretty sure lots of Brits are at least vaguely aware of the spooky black dog archetype if they've ever read a ghost story. Hound of the Baskervilles for example. A lot fewer will recognise the name unless they know the song!
BitterOtter@reddit
Yes, in two ways. First, Black Shuck was a legend in East Anglia (where I grew up from age 10) as a one-eyed dog monster thing that stalked graveyards during storms. Later also as a song by the Darkness, who were also from East Anglia, so that tracks.
Pharmacy_Duck@reddit
Heard all about him, and I’m Sussex born and raised.
WhittingtonDog@reddit
Norfolk’s finest!
ChuckChunky@reddit
I grew up in Cambridgeshire so have heard of it. On a primary school camping trip out on the fens, we were told the story by a teacher before them talking us all on a late night walk. Verily we were shitting ourselves the entire time.
Sleepy_felines@reddit
Lived in the north most of my life (other than uni). Never heard of Black Shuck.
SilentCatPaws@reddit
I'm in Suffolk but I hadnt heard of it until about 10 years ago
Rosie_Onions247@reddit
I have, thanks to The Darkness!! Until that song I hadn’t heard of it. To your question of how popular I think the legend is… I have to say I don’t think it’s well known at all but I’m a northerner so it could be down to it not being a local legend
Sir_face_levels@reddit
I have a really vague idea of them being some kind of demon dog, a bad omen that kind of thing but I don't know how much I've absorbed is from occasional mythical beast / folktale browsing and how much I've absorbed from a YouTube world of darkness fan series i've been watching over the last few years. From what I've gathered from the comments and such on the YouTube series they might be some kind of werewolf instead.
For anyone interested about the YouTube series it's hunter the parenting, I'd recommend a look but the humour seems to be a case of either you love it or hate it based on the friends I've tried to introduce it to and their reactions.
PuttingFishOnJupiter@reddit
I'm from SW England, and hadn't heard of this until Stuart Ashen started a kickstarter to make "Turn Back".
ariadnevirginia@reddit
Everybody loves Black Shuck, he's a good dog.
Low_Wolverine_2818@reddit
As someone born and brought up in London I can honestly say that I’ve never heard of the legend
This-Disk1212@reddit
Big black dog, a bad omen, allegedly left scratches on a Suffolk church door.
I lived in Suffolk and Essex for years otherwise I don’t think I’d have heard of it though my friend does have a paranormal podcast so maybe. Here in Oxfordshire I don’t think my friends would know who black shuck is.
CinnamonToast61@reddit
Of course! Large black supernatural dog from East Anglia. Often seen as important of death. England has loads of black dog legends, but this is probably the most famous one. In case it is relevant, I am born and brought up in London.
Efficient_Ant_7279@reddit
Ok without reading up anything or even reading the comments I think it’s a huge black dog ? Sort of a cryptid kinda thing that perhaps bring Some misfortune to those who see it ?
Federal-Nectarine612@reddit
I’m from Kent, & yes heard about on monster talk podcast
JamJarre@reddit
Big black dog. One of many, as it's a pillar folk myth. I wanna say it's specifically from the south west?
People of a certain age will have heard of it from The Darkness song as well
Mickleborough@reddit
Yes, have heard of Black Shuck, from reading supernatural legends.
narnababy@reddit
Yes but only because Charlie Cooper recently did an investigation into it on his folklore show!
freezingsheep@reddit
In my 40s and never heard of it. Never lived in Norfolk. Fairly well read but not particularly interested in either horror or English history. Does it/he have a different name outside of Norfolk?
Visible_Nothing_9616@reddit
I've heard the name the Barguest too. Pretty sure when I lived Yorkshire way, Black Shuck is definitely very norfolk.
MercuryJellyfish@reddit
The Darkness did a song about it
https://youtu.be/jeRY-jxKuqA?si=LQ-dDaIjwBsOPjs1
Colossal_Squids@reddit
Of course! There’s a black dog story from a church in my hometown!
Cautious-Natural-512@reddit
Yes, if you are in the area its likely youve come across it somewhere
TomatoChomper7@reddit
Big scary dog beast cryptid in East Anglia. I think I first heard of it via the song The Darkness did, or maybe I’d already heard of it via a British folklore website/book.
IAmLaureline@reddit
Never heard of it.
Grew up in NE England, lived in Yorkshire and London and now live in SW England.
I was born in the 1960s and raised on a diet of Northern myth, folklore and Christianity.
Richard__Papen@reddit
Never heard of it. Assumed it was a rapper or something before you said.
Islingtonian@reddit
Yes, well-known in East Anglia and spread further afield due to The Darkness song. People might also know of the 'grim', a big black dog like Black Shuck that is referenced in the Harry Potter books.
I think Black Shuck is the individual dog and the 'grim' is the species?
MrSpud45@reddit
I'm from Norfolk, one of the more common stories/legends I've heard is that Shuck is a hound from the very depths of hell, and that to lay eyes on him was a bad omen. Those who saw him could not say anything of the sight for a year to any soul lest they suffer a a terrible fate. Its a story in this instance that seems to be from along the north Norfolk coast but also has appeared around Suffolk coastal areas. There's also a distillery that goes by the name Black Shuck in the Fakenham area that has a range of gin, vodka and other spirits.
Good_Ad_1386@reddit
Only obliquely aware through the East Anglian parody folk duo "The Kipper Family" and their track "the legend of Black Shag".
Kipper Family - Norfolk 'n' good.
Dismal_Candle14@reddit
Just about everyone in Norfolk knows about Black Shuck. There is even a local distillery called Black Shuck making gin and liqueurs. If your detective didn’t know the legend before he moved there, it wouldn’t be long before he came across a reference to it somewhere.
Dry_Yogurt2458@reddit
Black shuck, that dog don't give a fuck!
AttentionOtherwise80@reddit
Sussex born and raised, married to a Yorkshireman for 50 years, neither of us have ever heard of this.
Manfred-Disco@reddit
There was one in Cambridgeshire. It's ghost roams the Fens. Died defending a Maidens honour from a rapey Monk.
Wolfdarkeneddoor@reddit
Bulldog Bridge on the road between Mildenhall & Littleport. Driven over it many times, but to be honest you hardly would know you've driven over a bridge. Never seen anything.
Manfred-Disco@reddit
I think it only comes out on its anniversary night.
ExpectedBehaviour@reddit
Yes.
Realistic-River-1941@reddit
Heard of it, but I spent time in Cambridgeshire, and it's the kind of thing I tend to have heard of. One day I'll go see that church in Suffolk with the marks on the door. Big black shaggy dog with glowing eyes.
Organic_Mechanic_702@reddit
Ceratinly well known in Eastern England - may be connected to the Dane Law. Often known as a sort of vengeful spirit but in some areas as a protector.
GlitteringBryony@reddit
Yes - And, black dogs in general are still very much a phenomenon that people know about, one of my friends got spooked walking home from the pub across the fields last week, and was convinced that he was being stalked by the borguest (Though, at least in some tellings, the borguest is yellow and unnaturally thin, with black eyes. Either way, still one of the many giant spectral dogs of England.)
I think the horror of the black dog, as distinct from a wolf, is that a dog demands an owner - So a dog alone is just fundamentally wrong even before you get to the flaming eyes or unearthly howling.
Crivens999@reddit
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ashens/turn-back-a-folk-horror-film-told-in-reverse
josh5676543@reddit
Evil clever dog
riscos3@reddit
As Manuel the Waiter might say, "I know nothing"
SilverellaUK@reddit
I heard about it on Reddit a while since.
Tall-Paul-UK@reddit
No but I have heard of Purple Aki.
Green_Eyed_Slayer@reddit
I know about it for 2 reasons - 1 - the Darkness song 2 - My dad collects stamps & Black shuck was featured in the Myths & legends pack earlier this year on his own stamp. That might mean more people have heard/seen than before!
Independent-Try4352@reddit
I have (Yorkshire). Black dog similar to the Barghest legend in Northern England.
Wigglypops@reddit
I'm from Norfolk and I've heard of it, also a delicious sloe gin called black shuck
Fast-Fruit-8569@reddit
Yes, he's local
One_Anteater_9234@reddit
Ashens is making a horror movie about it
One_Anteater_9234@reddit
Its quite a recent one to hit most people's ears. Within the last 5 years heard the legend, dont think anyone had mentioned it to me before then.
flipfloppery@reddit
I have, but I live not far from where the incidents allegedly happened.
Historical_Pin2806@reddit
I know it because my parents instilled in me a love of holidaying on the east coast and when you walk from Cromer to Sheringham, you go via Black Shuck hill and his legend is written up on a board there. I've also had some horror stories published in anthologies by Black Shuck Books, so they are known outside of Norfolk.
So your hero would be aware of it - or you could have a wonderful scene in a local pub where the locals are telling him the story and he thinks it's an old wives tale - but I'm not sure how well known it would be throughout the UK.
Braddarban@reddit
I’m from Berkshire and am aware of Black Shuck, but I am a bit of a history and folklore nerd.
Black Shuck is one of several local variations on the Black Dog myth, which is a common element of folklore across the British Isles in which a spirit or demon takes the form of a large black dog or ‘hellhound’. In some variations the black dog is a benevolent graveyard guardian or guide, in most they are an omen of bad luck or death. Rarely, they are said to be actively malevolent forces which can directly harm humans.
Black Shuck is the East Anglian variation, and while descriptions are highly variable he is usually said to be actively malevolent.
Anonimoose15@reddit
The term rings a bell but I couldn’t tell you what it is/means
Miss-Hell@reddit
Never heard of it, I'm from Gloucestershire
Mobile-Stomach719@reddit
This may be of interest: https://www.blackshuckltd.co.uk
Mammyjam@reddit
Yeah, his eyes numbered but one and shone like the sun...
mrbullettuk@reddit
Never heard of it.
I have heard the Darkness song. Thought it just a made up word/phrase.
surfrider0007@reddit
I’d never heard of it until I listened to the mythical creatures podcast by Rhianna Pratchett, Terry Pratchett’s daughter, before then, I’d not have known what it was.
juronich@reddit
I've heard of it but only from Charlie Cooper's show on iPlayer https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m002384n/charlie-coopers-myth-country
DucksBac@reddit
I hadn't until now. From Yorkshire but also lived in Surrey and Merseyside
Technical-Meat-9135@reddit
All I know is that dog don't give a fuck
Spiderinahumansuit@reddit
Yes, but I love spooky stuff, so I'm probably more aware than average, and tend to think of the Black Dog as a Grim or Barghest, on account of the English bits of my family being from Lancashire and Yorkshire.
iimMrBrightside@reddit
u/stuartashen is making a horror film based on this soon
Eren-Alter-Ego@reddit
South West here, Bristol/Somerset. Never heard of Black Shuck
We're more about big black cats TBH...
NotSayingAliensBut@reddit
I saw one on the Mendips on the way home from Bristol, the night before the Wells Journal posted an article about sightings in the area. Must be about 17 or 18 years ago. I get the impression from the reports since then that they have been moving north over the last few years as fewer reports around here and more in Gloucestershire.
evelynsmee@reddit
Fuck yes the black cats. I forgot about that 😂
Hamsternoir@reddit
Somerset and heard of Black Shuck. Even in the 80s.
Then_Society187@reddit
Although we do have the Hound of the Baskervilles on Dartmoor and the legend of the pack of evil black dogs that story was inspired by. But yes, mostly big cats.
NotSayingAliensBut@reddit
I've only heard of him because he features in a 2000AD series.
Reynard_de_Malperdy@reddit
I have but I live in East Anglia and read Fortean Times
Wolfdarkeneddoor@reddit
So there's two of us at least!
mightypup1974@reddit
Yeah I have the Readers’ Digest ‘Folklore, Myths and Legends of Britain’ at home and it goes into some detail. Chiefly in the Home Counties and depending on which one you are in it is varying degrees of malevolence.
Electronic-Stay-2369@reddit
I was brought up on the Readers Digest Book of Myths and Legends of Britain so yes I know about Black Shuck. I am not from East Anglia by at least 50 miles in a straight line.
Agathabites@reddit
There are ghostly/monstrous black dogs in every county, just different names. Charlotte Bronte mentioned one in Jane Eyre. So people may not have heard of the East Anglian name but will be familiar with the concept.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thankyou! I thought as much, but wasn't sure if creepy black dogs still held any cultural relevance.
Debsrugs@reddit
hound of the Baskerville's
snapper1971@reddit
Oh don't worry, they're not just creepy, they're horrifying in an inexplicable way.
EducationalAd9922@reddit
Live in norwich, so I know a fair amount about black shuck. But I love a bit of folklore, so it's unsurprising. First, I heard of the legend was, of course, the song by the darkness.
Old_Introduction_395@reddit
Black shuck scared me as a child. I lived in rural Norfolk, Shuck is likely to chase you on the marshes. Beware!!
BarryIslandIdiot@reddit
Black Shuck would tend to be the East Anglian name for a Black Dog. With the Black Dog being an open of death to anybody who sees it. Like the Grim in Harry Potter. Though the Grim, in many places, isn't necessarily an omen of death, like Black Shuck tends to be. The Grim is often a guardian spirit of Churchyards.
BristowBailey@reddit
It's either some sort of cryptid or a type of particularly dank cannabis resin.
plankton_lover@reddit
I grew up in south Norfolk. Never heard of Black Shuck. Moved to north Suffolk as a young adult, all the local villages had stories, one has a festival about it. I lived about 10 miles from where I grew up, and just because it was "across the border" it was like living in another world! I suspect knowledge is highly dependent on exactly where you live/visit (my fam is all Norfolk, I suspect that if I'd had fam down here in Suffolk I'd have heard about Shuck sooner).
Sea_Pomegranate8229@reddit
I would say I know as much as anyone who has not spent dedicated time researching. Black Shuck (or Shuck) is all down the coast. Blythburgh has a history. I have my own pet theory. Shuck is commonly described as having a single fiery eye. If you think about this in the context of the time then a couple of things emerge for me. Firstly, you would need to be damn close to identify the eye/s. Shuck's heyday was a time before lighting. The outdoors were dark and treacherous except during full-moon; which was when many long jouneys were planned. Anyone out on a moonless night would require a lamp to guide them. That lamp would also attract attention. Now imagine if it was widely known that a one eyed monster was prowling the lanes beside the sea. Anyone seeing the fiery eye would be unlikely to approach. But perhaps the lamp was actually being swung by a smuggler. Smugglers would have a motive for spreading the tale of Shukc in the taverns along the coast.
Hookton@reddit
Yes. I went through a period of being big into folklore as a kid.
Electronic_Cream_780@reddit
Norfolk born and bred, never heard of it
SchoolForSedition@reddit
I have heard of Black Shuck, but not for ages. Big dog.
willatpenru@reddit
I read about a black shuck in a kid's ghost book in the early 90s.
Creeped me out.
Armada ghost stories I think.
Various-Big-5168@reddit
London and Kent here - never heard of it.
Embarrassed_Belt9379@reddit
That dog don’t give a fuck. That’s all
Fit_Section1002@reddit
Nothing
ODFoxtrotOscar@reddit
Yes.
I’ve family across East Anglia
knotmidgelet@reddit
There's a gin named Black Shuck which is how I know of it (I'm from Lincolnshire and hadn't until my interest in gin grew!) - big black spirt/demon dog with red eyes.
WolffGlory@reddit
Read about it in Fortean Times many years ago. Vaguely recall something to do with the churches in the area having carved bricks relating to the story, possibly. North West here anyway.
Shadakthehunter@reddit
West lancs/Merseyside here. Never heard of it.
tinymoominmama@reddit
I know about Black Shuck. I'm not Norfolk based but That's the kind of thing I'm interested in. I think Black Shuck in particular is having a bit of a revival. Charlie Cooper did a bbc programme focused on it not too long ago.
purte@reddit
I needed to be reminded but husband knew what it was straight away, with no personal connection to Norfolk or surrounding counties. Black Shuck was featured on a 1st class stamp this year, so nationwide recognition may have increased through that? https://shop.royalmail.com/special-stamp-issues/myths-and-legends
IainMCool@reddit
Yes, but only because of the Darkness song "Black Shuck" and after 20 years, googling to find out wtf it was.
ogresound1987@reddit
Yeah, it's some kind of dog, isn't it? I wanna say... A dog that appears on shorelines? Vague recollection.
TheSecretIsMarmite@reddit
I have, but I've lived in Norfolk for over 20 years. Before I moved up here, no. Although there is a local gin called Black Shuck so they're probably doing some work in spreading the legend.
AliceMorgon@reddit
Yes. Big fan of myths and legends.
angechica@reddit
Yes I grew up in Suffolk and we would go out walking a lot around the county, and I’ve seen the scratches on Blythburgh church door. The Bungay Black Dog marathon is well known locally. The Darkness are from Suffolk. So I feel it’s more a Suffolk thing than a Norfolk thing.
Shadow-Inversions@reddit
Legendary devil dog in East Anglia, if you look into its eyes you die within a year.
redpandadancing@reddit
Yes, it’s a grim.
vpetmad@reddit
Yes, but only because the YouTuber Ashens is making a horror film about it!
Funny-Ad6458@reddit
Yes but I live in Bungay so you can’t not know about it, before moving here no idea…
George_Salt@reddit
Well known here, but as here is Norfolk that's maybe a little biased.
Cheese-n-Opinion@reddit
I've heard about Black Shuck, but I'm probably more interested in folklore than the average person so not a great barometer.
Almost everywhere in England has a similar 'black hound' legend but they go by different names. Round my way it is mostly known as the Barghest.
r_keel_esq@reddit
As a child, I read a novel about ghosts in a castle and at one point they adopted a shucks that appeared on the grounds. I'd forgotten about that till now.
I think this is where I first learned about exorcism too (I'd seen Beetlejuice, but didn't know that that was what was being performed)
chewmypaws@reddit
I have but only because I'm into folklore.
CourtneyLush@reddit
Yes but only because I grew up near the fens of Cambridge and it was a popular horror theme for those stories you and your friends would tell each other whilst walking through the local graveyard.
We did just that one night and the next day, one of the girls claimed she woke in the night and saw a floating black dog head with glowing red eyes in her room. I always think about that when people talk about the power of suggestion.
Hairy-Blood2112@reddit
Norfolk and Suffolk thing, I think. The hound from hell with one eye. If you see it and it looks at you, you're gonna die, and soon. Feel free to correct me, if that's not correct.
Tank-o-grad@reddit
The Darkness tell me that, "That dog don't give a fuck."
_MightyMus_@reddit
Never heard of them/it. I was born/raised in the East Midlands 50 years ago, and have lived in South Wales for the past 20 years. I’d imagine you could establish the myth well enough to the reader by having your characters all know about it and make it seem like a thing most people would know about. The reader might just think it’s only them, and as long as they’re not made to feel stupid it won’t be an issue.
elementarydrw@reddit
I have. But only because I watch Ashens videos, and once lived in Norfolk for a few years.
Crookfur@reddit
For some reason I was vaguely aware of the legend/name but knew no real details (possibly from Hunter: The parenting). Then Ashens started mentioning it and suddenly i stumbled across him/it in AC: Valhalla where he was a far harder fight than the corpse eaters and the bear in the wine cellar.
Alecmalloy@reddit
A nimbus of blue light, surrounds a crimson paw, as he takes another fatal swipe, at the blythburgh church door
MadamKitsune@reddit
North West and yes, I've heard of Black Shuck. That's probably because I've loved spooky stories and creepy folklore since I was a kid and was forever reading about things like Black Shuck, the ghost of Blue Bell Hill and Spring Heeled Jack.
polkadott33@reddit
Yes, but I live in Suffolk and I think it is a Suffolk legend, not Norfolk.
CourtneyLush@reddit
It's an East Anglia thing. I grew up in Cambs and it was definitely a known part of folklore there.
justanoldwoman@reddit
Yes and named one of my dogs after him, he's an arse (but in a cute way).
elbapo@reddit
From a town. In the east.....
evelynsmee@reddit
Never heard of. Grew up West Country, family northern
BegoniaInBloom@reddit
Yes I've heard of Black Shuck. The story I'm most familiar with is about the church in Blythburgh (Suffolk) although I know there are other tales from around East Anglia. I'm from Essex, the county to the south of Suffolk.
Good luck with completing your series. Even if you decide your detective won't know the stories, the locals could educate him - and your readers too.
Snoo_23014@reddit
Black Shuck is a big dog with glowing red eyes that apparently precedes a tragedy.
My granddad saw it when my mom was a kid on their way over to Whitby. It was so big that at first he thought it was two men standing up and holding on to each other.
AuroraDF@reddit
No. And I lived in Norfolk for a year.
UndrethMonkeh@reddit
There was a song by The Darkness about it and also an episode of a programme about folklore by Charlie Cooper which covered it (I can't remember the name of the show without googling). Some sort of demonic black dog that haunts a church in the west country I think?
BlackCatWitch29@reddit
I have but only because it's the Death card within a tarot deck I have.
I got curious and researched it myself to find out it's what the Grim is based on from HP.
Madruck_s@reddit
We have red ash around whete i live, that was my first thought.
nasted@reddit
Yeah but only because we play a certain RPG that has cryptids and the alike in it. I hadn’t heard of it before then (although there are similar stories with a similar beast from other places£.
monkfishjoe@reddit
Yes I have, but I'm from the area where black shuck is supposed to be.
MrsD12345@reddit
Never heard of it. I’m NI born but have lived in the east anglia region for over 20 years and love my horror
Sea_Appointment8408@reddit
I'm from Norfolk. Everyone here knows about black shuck
StillJustJones@reddit
I’m from Colchester in Essex. So not Norfolk, but still east Anglia/the same region. Black Shuck is pretty well known in terms of old folklore around this area.
I was in our local indie bookshop just yesterday where front and centre there was a book by local poet and internationally renowned lo-fi music artist Martin Newell titled ‘Black Shuck’
I’m not a massive folklore but or anything but the story crops up on my radar from time to time in poetry, culture and the arts…. The Darkness (rock band from Lowestoft in Suffolk) even wrote a song about it about 20 years ago and I remember a small music and performing arts festival in Suffolk called Black Shuck maybe 10 years ago.
It’s a regional thing tbh….it is not as well known nationally as the beast of Bodmin moor but more people from around this region are likely to have heard of it.
Royston-Vasey123@reddit
Yes, I've heard of Black Shuck, but I'm particularly interested in folklore. From the Bristol area
Awellknownstick@reddit
Yes and Cait Sith.
Cymro007@reddit
There is a 2000-ad comic of the same name and theme.
False-Strawberry-319@reddit
Never been to Norfolk but know of Black Shuck. Known about it for so long I don't remember when or how I learnt about Shuck.
TBH I thought everybody with even a passing knowledge of British folklore would know of Black Shuck. From the comments I guess I'm wrong about that.
mcbeef89@reddit
Same here. Instantly knew what it was but how, why or when I learnt it, is beyond me. I'm 52 and from Hampshire
trysca@reddit
It's the northern variant of the Black Dog similar to our spectral hounds of Dartmoor portending death and descended from the Cwn Annwn
Kite42@reddit
I'm from the Fens, so I've heard of it for sure, but a friend who was from south England and taught English had never heard of it. I'm guessing it's quite regional, and possibly dated (we are in our 50s).
mattjimf@reddit
Only through the Darkness - https://youtu.be/nRlTc1RYMGU?si
Mischeese@reddit
Only because I moved to East Anglia. I do find it interesting in some parts it’s a scary beast and in other parts a protective one. But it’s way less obscure than the Shug Monkey.
snapper1971@reddit
Aye. Seen a few.
YourLittleRuth@reddit
I do, but I'm a convert to Norfolk (here ten years). And Black Shuck Gin is a thing here, so I looked it up. Your detective might wander through Jarrolds food hall and see it, and wonder where the name came from.
rheasilva@reddit
Yep.
Also there's a small publishing company called Black Shuck Books.
Firebrand777@reddit
You should read the Fenlands series on r/nosleep
Honestly in a sub so dominated by Americans it was so refreshing to read this series - will try and find it now ….
Comfortable_Ad_4267@reddit
Yes but Black Shuck as many names. Deeply inbeded in English folklore. Connected to death and supernatural.
Time-Mode-9@reddit
Nope. Name format mean anything to me
raiigiic@reddit
Its a ghost story about a dog somewhere around Lowestoft in Suffolk.
Thats the limit of what I know/ remember qnd I grew up not too far from the area.
ref1ux@reddit
I grew up in Ipswich (Suffolk, adjacent to Norfolk) and never recall hearing about it. The only reason I know what one is is because of the Charlie Cooper documentary.
Affectionate-Way-962@reddit
Here’s what I know: I think black shuck is a cryptid from the Norfolk area: a black dog/beast a bit like the beast of Bodmin.
I am pretty sure I know this cos of The Darkness and weird research rabbit holes about sightings of big cats!
PipBin@reddit
Yes, but I live in East Anglia.
Misfire6@reddit
I'm from London, moved to Norfolk 15 years ago. I knew about Black Shuck before I came here because of the Darkness song, but there references here and there in Norfolk, which you'd follow up on if you're curious. So it's the sort of knowledge that anyone who is interested in random stuff (like a detective) would easily pick up, particularly if you hang out with locals when you move.
dualdee@reddit
Vaguely aware that it's a big dog monster or something, that's about it. I've only heard the name once or twice.
dazzleship@reddit
Growing up in Suffolk, tales of Black Shuck were always told at Halloween. Today, Black Shuck is a beloved symbol of Bungay, appearing on the town's coat of arms, weather vane, and several local businesses, and is the focus of an annual festival.
Own-Lecture251@reddit
It's a wild/ supernatural dog that lives in East Anglia. It's black. That's all I know. I don't know any specific stories.
Ataralas@reddit
Never heard of it. From just north of London. I know there’s a darkness song by the same name but I’ve never listened to it.
Ancient-Cow-1038@reddit
Without Googling or looking at the comments:
Black Shuck is a black dog, common to folk tales of East Anglia but also found in a few other places. It appears as a huge dog, sometimes with eyes that are red or even weep flames.
Generally considered to be an omen of bad luck, there are very few examples of Black Shuck actually interacting with people. There is the tale of a great black dog terrorising the congregation at Blythburgh Church, but that is usually treated as being The Devil in the form of a black dog. There are tales of people walking along lonely roads and becoming aware of the presence of a huge dog following them, and being too scared to turn round, and on some occasions Black Shuck is even considered as a guardian to those who walk late.
Tijai@reddit
Iirc Black shuck is a large fearsome black dog which I think appears when someone is about to die.
I believe this is Northern English folklore.
Thats as much as I can say / remember without googling.
PipkinsHartley@reddit
I'm from the north originally, moved to Norfolk 26 years ago. Never heard of Black Shuck until about 10 years ago. I think the awareness of the story has increased recently. The Black Shuck festival in Bungay has been going for about 3 or 4 years and has played a role in bringing the story to wider attention.
elementarydrw@reddit
You just reminded me of Moonraker. I was born in, and grew up in Wiltshire. There's Moonraker pubs, hotels and other things all over the place around here. I never really thought anything of it, although I knew it wasn't likely linked to James Bond.
It was only when I was an adult I learned that the word refers to someone from Wiltshire, and that it was a local word. I didn't even know I was a Moonraker until I was an adult!
AliMinion@reddit
I do, because I grew up near Bungay.
St0rmStrider@reddit
Yes although a love of folklore and ghost stories as a kid helped
MFingAmpharos@reddit
I'm from up north and I do know of black shuck, but only because of the Darkness song.
Draculaaaaaaaaaaahhh@reddit
Yes, I've heard of them because I've lived in the East Midlands Anglia region l and frequently visit Norfolk and the Fens. Also collected Unwins books and The Unexplained in the 80s.
wildflower12345678@reddit
Never heard of it and I read about and listen to pod casts on supernatural stuff.
Kind_Focus5839@reddit
Grew up in Suffolk, Black Shuck was a local legend.
Astropoppet@reddit
Nope, never heard of it. I'm in Surrey, if that helps
Fyonella@reddit
Never heard of it and I’ve lived in Norfolk.
I am vaguely aware of a black cat/dog legend but never by that name.
Glittering_Spring465@reddit
Black Shuck is from Suffolk
boostman@reddit
Yep. Longtime Fortean Times reader, fwiw.
Traditional_Rice_123@reddit
I'm from (and live) in what might generously be described as the western borderlands of East Anglia. A treaty was signed in my town between the Danes and the English when we were part of the danelaw, so we've historically had more in common with our brethren to the East than the west.
I'm aware of black shuck - as a concept he's a harbinger of death/general doom as I recall. Where I live it's lots of farmland and woodland and we have similar stories about wild dogs attacking and killing the deer and their appearance being a bad omen.
If your protag is from Camden as in London, I would think it unlikely they would be aware of Black Shuck until moving to Norfolk.
WodehouseWeatherwax@reddit
I'm in KS in the middle of nowhere US and I've heard of the black shuck but I also read weird things like wikis of UK and various European areas' folklore.
Sensitive_Freedom563@reddit
Yes but only learned when I moved to the Fens
Oghamstoner@reddit
Course I know him! I was born only five miles from Bungay.
PetersMapProject@reddit
Never heard of it
rthonwolzee@reddit
I'm from Norfolk, everyone I know will have heard of black shuck at least. Was telling my kids about it when we were at the beach this summer.
OzzyinKernow@reddit
Yes, we lived in Suffolk for about 10 years and learned about the spectral black dog with glowing eyes that was a bringer of death. Love all that stuff but don’t believe in any of it.
tw1nkle@reddit
From Suffolk, I’ve heard of it — used to terrify me as a kid, especially when we were driving through the country lanes late at night and I used to try to see him.
But I don’t know that it’s even well-known in East Anglia, and certainly not elsewhere (although other places have big black horror dog lore, I’m sure.)
Bose82@reddit
Great song by The Darkness, especially when they play it live
BellisBlueday@reddit
I have, from The Lovecraft Investigations
HMP729G@reddit
Yeah. That dog don’t give a fuck.
Ok_Variation2090@reddit
The honey badger of folklore, tis written in the ledgers of yore
60svintage@reddit
Yes. Norfolk Born. We know him well - by reputation at least!
presentindicative@reddit
I know of black shuck (I’m in South Wales), but I don’t think it’s a widely known story
All-Hail-The-Ale@reddit
That dog don't give a fuck...
Willing-Rest-758@reddit
Mythical/paranormal/supernatural british hellhound said to foretell of a death, usually of the person who sees it. Large and black, often with glowing red eyes. Different parts of the UK have their own interpretations of the creature with differernt names. Black Shuck is the name used mainly in Norfolk area i think. That's what i can remember off the top of my head. The Paranormal Database website has a section on Black Shucks of Britain if you want more info. 🙂👍
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thankyou so much! I'm pretty well versed/googled in the lore, but I need to know how likely it is that my fictional characters would be aware of it
Willing-Rest-758@reddit
I doubt the average person would know what a black shuck is. I know because i love mythical supernatural folklore stuff. If any of you characters wear black and purple and smell of patchouli then they would probably know about the shuck. 😀👍
PatchyWhiskers@reddit
I have because I’m a nerd.
Dependent-Age-6271@reddit (OP)
Thanks! And same, but I'm an Australian nerd.
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