Take revenge of Spain match from Bulgaria. Is this fair?
Posted by BlokZNCR@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 87 comments

Posted by BlokZNCR@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 87 comments
reddit_krumeto@reddit
The only reason that I am mad at this result is that Vucic can now say "At least our national team is better than the Bulgarian one".
StreetWooden4726@reddit
What happened to Bulgaria? They used to be alright
morbihann@reddit
Some of that golden generation went into the football management and worked very hard to bring everything into the ground.
arnold001@reddit
But why?? Surely they'd want to keep the team at least average?!
BlvdDweller@reddit
we play fortnite now
vbd71@reddit
Yes, or some other game on a smartphone. I'm sorry to say, but soccer in Bulgaria is finished. Decades ago, kids played outside, but not anymore. There won't be a new generation to replace the current; or if there will be, it won't be numerous enough to matter.
bate_Vladi_1904@reddit
Quite long time ago - enormous corruption, gross incompetence, since years it's really low level of everything and everyone involved (players, coaches, federation, refs)
OkBuffalo315@reddit
RIP Bulgaria
2024-2025@reddit
They died a long time ago. The team is on San Marino level, not even exaggerating.
arnold001@reddit
Nah bro,don't speak so bad for San Marino, they would crush us 6 - 1 too.
Many-Rooster-7905@reddit
Btw napiso si hnvatska
OkBuffalo315@reddit
Btw kopije su uvijek malo lošije od originala 🤣
OkBuffalo315@reddit
Shieeet, ali jeben ti flair, right up my alley 😂
LowCranberry180@reddit
I am very happy that there is no tension or fight between Bulgaria and Türkiye, unlike Albania and Serbia. A good level of civilisation between two nations despite around 10% of Turkish population in Bulgaria.
Vesko85@reddit
Except for a small group of ultras, in Bulgaria we don't have problems with any of our neighbors during sports competitions. Albania and Serbia are a different story
LowCranberry180@reddit
yes thanks
determine96@reddit
Brave-Description-68@reddit
Was this shooter Bulgarian nationalist or angry Bulgarian Turk
determine96@reddit
He is Turk.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
Why did he tried to shoot the leader of the Turkish party
No-Championship-4632@reddit
He is not a good guy for real. Funniest thing is he was an agent of State Security in the 80s when they changed the Turkish names and exiled the Turks, pretending to be a dissident at the same time, that kind of guy.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
Is he leading that party still also why is his party also right wing should not minority parties must be left leaning at least. Or in general in Bulgaria left wing parties are not really popular due to the past.
No-Championship-4632@reddit
Oh, that's even more funny. He was ousted from the party by a ruthless oligarch that took it over (a Bulgarian). It was never a right-wing party, it was branded as a liberal one (and part of ALDE).
What truly the party is/was is a vehicle to corrupt everything while fearmongering the ethnic Turks that 80s might repeat. At least it was like that initially, at some point they started voting DPS because they live in small towns/villages where DPS controls basically everything and they are dependent on them. It was never a true Turk minority party as there were and are many Bulgarians there too, the oligarch that took it over is one of them.
It is not right-wing or left-wing. It is just corrupt and power-craving.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
Interesting why minority parties are not allowed I personally believe unlike most nationalists every minority must be represented. True democracy is the peaceful coexistence of everyone. So Bulgarian constitution seems in my eyes quite anti democratic.
MartinBP@reddit
All citizens are equal in the eyes of the law regardless of their ethnicity or religion. That's how the Bulgarian constitution was originally conceived and it's what sets it apart from the ethnic shitshow of the Western Balkans. National minorities do not exist as legal entities in Bulgaria. You can declare yourself anything on the census, you can believe anything, you can speak whatever language you want. But by law you are a Bulgarian citizen and you cannot be segregated from other citizens based on ethnic affiliation (which itself is quite fluid in the Balkans). Ethnic parties would create discriminatory barriers for membership based on ethnic origin, which by law is discriminatory and illegal.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
You’re confusing erasing difference with creating equality. Saying “there are no minorities by law” doesn’t make citizens equal,it just denies minorities’ existence on paper. That’s not equality, it’s assimilation disguised as unity.
Real equality means people can exist as who they are, not that they must pretend to be the same. When your constitution bans ethnic representation, you’re not fighting discrimination you’re protecting state ideology from diversity.
And no, you’re not morally superior to the Western Balkans. “You can call yourself whatever you want, but by law you’re Bulgarian” is literally the definition of nationalist authoritarianism wrapped in legal formalism.
LibertyChecked28@reddit
You need to do some very deep historical research around social constructs and governing bodies as to see for yourself why Federations are the most '''inclusive" form of government, while minority tokenization undermines every single principle of democracy there is via ethnic slotting which divides people by inclining marginalised groups to think of themselves as some sort of artificial alien body within their own country, and steadily guarantees the rise of the right & far right around the special treatment.
The blithest example of that is none-other Austo-Hungary which was all about ethnic tokenization in the purest there is: At the end of the day Austrians and Hungarians needed legal loopholes to kept them on power as the dominant ethnicity, while Serbians and Romanians ended up in a social feedback loop where their representation was heavily discouraged because it directly contradicted Austo-Hungarian interests which in turn even further amplified the Serbian/Romanian Anti-AustoHungarian effort.
And you need to be properly honest with your emotions as to avoid the "rules for thee, not for me" trap that every other Turkish person fall to when it comes to geopolitics. You see Bulgarian-Turks as exclusively Turkish nationals and not Bulgarians when they should be Bulgarian citizens of Turkish origins which have the right of self-idenity.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
Look at Turkey if you want a real example of what happens when a state denies the existence of a minority. For decades the government insisted that Kurds did not exist, calling them “mountain Turks.” Kurdish language, names, and culture were banned. The result was predictable: resentment, uprisings, and a brutal conflict that killed tens of thousands and held the entire country back for decades.
Only in recent years has Turkey started to face this mistake, allowing Kurdish broadcasting, political representation, and cultural expression. Every small step toward recognition has reduced tension and opened space for democracy.
Denying identity never creates unity; it only manufactures endless conflict. Recognition and equality do not weaken a state they are the only things that make it truly stable.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
Look at Spain if you want a real example of what happens when a state both denies and later learns to recognize diversity. Under Franco, Spain tried to erase regional and ethnic identities such as Catalan, Basque and Galician, banning their languages and culture in the name of one nation. It created anger, resistance and decades of repression.
When Spain finally accepted that unity does not require uniformity and built a semi-federal system recognizing autonomous regions, the country became far more stable and democratic. People stopped fighting for existence and began participating in politics.
Erasing identity never unites a country, it only deepens division. True stability begins when a state respects the languages, cultures and histories within its borders instead of pretending they do not exist.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
You are still confusing erasing identity with creating equality. Saying “there are no minorities by law” does not make people equal, it simply denies their existence on paper. That is not unity, it is assimilation disguised as fairness.
Your argument about federations is wrong. Recognizing minorities and giving them rights is not tokenization, it is democracy. What you call “ethnic slotting” is actually plural representation, which is the foundation of any inclusive system.
Austria-Hungary did not collapse because it recognized diversity, it collapsed because it refused to share power and used legal loopholes to keep certain ethnic groups dominant. That is exactly what you are defending now.
And regarding Bulgarian Turks, the issue is not citizenship but identity. Equality means they can live as who they are without being forced into a state-approved label. Banning their parties, names or cultural expression is not equality, it is control.
Denying minorities does not prevent division, it guarantees it. True equality protects identity; authoritarianism erases it and then calls the silence “unity.”
Brave-Description-68@reddit
Thanks chat gpt 😂
Brave-Description-68@reddit
By the way, this exact mindset is a huge current debate among leftists in Turkey many of us clash constantly with people who think like you. It’s actually one of the clearest tests of who’s genuinely leftist and who’s just a nationalist hiding behind “equality” rhetoric. Enforced uniformity is never equality.
LibertyChecked28@reddit
If we ware to compare this situation it would be to Obama winning the 2007 presidential election because of what he had to offer as a person, VS Kamala Harris gambling her entire campaign around the sole fact that she was of marginalised origins and then failing because of what she had to offer.
Likewise I'd much prefer "Mustafa the (XXX) President of Bulgaria" to be а competent leader first and foremost, than a walking marginalised token who has little to offer besides his ethnic origins. Both cases here assume that Bulgarian Turks get their fair run for when it comes to the maintenance of the Bulgarian apparatus, one revolves around the ''Россияне'' concept, the other brands native population as something artificial and mutually exclusive from the rest of the Bulgarian population.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
Your ObamaHarris comparison completely misses the point. Nobody is asking for someone to be elected because of ethnicity. The point is that people from every background should have equal access to political life without being told their identity must be invisible to belong. That is not tokenism, it is representation.
“Mustafa the President” should indeed be competent, but competence and identity are not opposites. You only think they are because your system treats minority identity as something that automatically disqualifies merit. That is the core of structural discrimination.
And the idea, pretending that everyone is one abstract citizen with no ethnicity, already failed in multiple countries it silences difference instead of integrating it. Real democracy does not require people to abandon who they are; it allows them to participate as who they are.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
This mindset isn’t new to Bulgaria it’s the same one that justified banning Turkish names, destroying cultural identity, and forcing assimilation in the 1980s. Back then too, it was called “equality before the law,” but in reality, it was a campaign of erasure and humiliation. When a state denies people’s ethnic or cultural identity, it’s not creating unity it’s enforcing obedience.
LibertyChecked28@reddit
Undermining take, a true democracy shouldn't segregate it's populus based around it's origins, religion, and alignments.
Bulgaria is a Republic, not an bigoted 1940 Ehtno-state which wants to play pretend toxic-tolerance with it's scapegoat tools.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
In general Bulgaria is a poor country with corrupt right wing neo fascist governments so cry harder
LibertyChecked28@reddit
The Pot calling the Kettle black.
No-Championship-4632@reddit
It is, but you can't have "Turkish" party, "Greek" party or even "Roma" party and declare it exclusive for Turks, Greek or Roma, by constitution the parties cannot represent only a certain ethnic group and they should be inclusive to anyone. That is de jure, of course de facto you can have a party where majority or even all of the voters and the party functionaries are from a certain ethnic group, DPS itself was initially like this, there was a party that was for all practical purposes a Roma party at some point, but you can't name the party like this and your party founding documents should adhere to that too.
On the other hand, people, including the minorities here aren't quite positive towards the idea of a minority only party for many reasons.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
I understand, and your explanation makes sense from a legal perspective. But in my view, a rule that formally bans ethnic or regional representation still ends up limiting genuine pluralism. Democracy should allow every community to organize politically if they wish as long as they respect equality and the constitution. Hopefully, we will live in a world one day where no nationalist states exist.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
Btw Turkish constitution which is written by neo fascist generals after a military coup is also very very anti democratic
LiderNaMnenie@reddit
Most Bulgarian Turks are either secular centrist/center-right liberals or right wing Muslim conservatives. There's no reason for DPS to be left wing.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
Not surprising in a way till Erdoğan most Bulgarian Turks voted Anap a center right party and were much more nationalist than an average Turk. With their next generation it is changed a bit as there is no real center right party so their votes is mostly anti Erdoğan but they generally support the most economically liberal and nationalist factions of the parties they vote. Quite complicated
LibertyChecked28@reddit
Because they are Islamist mob Oligarchs installed by Erdogan, not representatives of the Bulgarian Turks.
LiderNaMnenie@reddit
Who are the "Islamist mob Oligarchs" installed by Erdogan? The politicians ruling the DPS have been in their position since long before Erdogan had any power in Turkey.
vbd71@reddit
Many Turks don't like the guy and his party. Dogan used to take their vote for granted, then installed his corrupt minions as mayors and other government bureaucrats, who did nothing for the people that elected them. Also Dogan himself was corrupt as fvck, and was not even ashamed of it, but boasted his corruption openly. I talk about this in past tense, because an even more corrupt figure, Delyan Peevski, finally managed to pull the rug under the feet of Dogan and seize his well developed business of political corruption for himself.
determine96@reddit
He said that he voted previously for Dogan, but later he saw that Dogan doesn't care about the Turks in Bulgaria, and all he care about is money and also how he only bring division in the Bulgarian society.
Also this guy says that he is a Bulgarian patriot by the way.
So, Idk this guy almost imidiatly lost popularity, I haven't heard of him for years..
Now I made a quick google search and apparently he became a member of one Bulgarian nationalistic organisation with ultra-right views.
(BNU)
Here is the picture with a membership card of the orga isation with his name.
Brave-Description-68@reddit
Than he was an angry Turk but also a Bulgarian Ultra Nationalist. Interesting but plausible there are several Kurdish politicians who are part of Mhp the Turkish neo fascist party. Or some Alevis who are fallen for example, an Alevi who supports Erdoğan, a Sunni Islamist politician, might be seen as fallen because they’ve betrayed Alevi values and solidarity.
determine96@reddit
Yeah, I'm surprised that he got that far in his views to be honest.
I remember when this attempt happend, people at first thought that this is just a theater orchestrated by Dogan, later he gave interview in which he was talking more like Idk, like 18-19 century radical liberal, he said he was for equality of all the Bulgarian citizens, follower of Bulgarian intellectuals, rebels like Levski who was for a "pure and holly republic, with rights for all of its citizen no matter religion and ethnicity" and now apparently he became part of a Bulgarian radical xenophobic organisation..
vbd71@reddit
Bulgarian nationalists love Ahmed Dogan.
LiderNaMnenie@reddit
Do they??
vbd71@reddit
Of course. He has given them much legitimacy and reasons to exist over the years.
Spervox@reddit
Serbia 🤝 Bulgaria
Hard to tell which one sucks more
Vesko85@reddit
Wow It's Bulgaria. We are on the level of Andora, San marino etc. Even Andora have a point in their group and Faroe Island have chance to qualify. We, Moldova and Belarus are the worst :D
SuedeJacketMonster@reddit
Not that hard I'm afraid. It's Bulgaria.
Beautiful_Baseball76@reddit
We can forget about football for at least a decade. At least we have volleyball going nicely as of late
Immediate_Wealth9713@reddit
Big parlay betting
Smooth-Revolution-46@reddit
Spain 36x stronger than bulgaria
prettyawesome2know@reddit
I see it as a step up. They scored a goal, which was quite unexpected for me.
Joke aside, Bulgarian football is a joke. Having the most corrupt football federation that does not care about football is taking its toll. Having a guy who didn't finish high school to replace the bald alcoholic who cared about chalga music more than he cared about Bulgarian football as the president of the Bulgarian football association was not really a step up.
At least before the bald alcoholic, there was another alcoholic who cared for Bulgarian football, but the UEFA bribery scandal didn't do him good. Still, he was the best president the Bulgarian Football Association had . When he got replaced, Bulgarian football started going downhill. RIP Ivan Slavkov
utnprnc@reddit
Bro what has happened to bulgarian football . I remember footballers like berbatov and petrov
Environmental-Bit383@reddit
Fucking BG mafiosos happened. I really hope volleyball stays not as popular because these scumbags are going to destroy it too.
rash1taka@reddit
All I can say is thank god for Volleyball
AideSpartak@reddit
Bulgarian football should just be banned for 10 years
Opposite-Beyond8922@reddit
Same for Romanian football.
No-Championship-4632@reddit
It should be banned for more than 10 years.
EnesAkhan@reddit
honestly i been saying same for our football for the last couple of years now man but in my case i m like "just close the damn branch all together . football is not our thing . our teams are going to Europe only to embarrass themsevles nd give us mental illness"
sibaltas@reddit
Sorry guys. We know exactly how it feels like
Dangerous_G@reddit
Where is the 6th goal of Turkey?
YagizHarunEr@reddit
probably didn’t update in time as it was almost the last possession of the game. irfan can kahveci scored it through an assist from oguz aydin.
BasedEmu@reddit
Balakov must be in tears.
vincenzopiatti@reddit
Bulgarian defense was the worst I've seen in a while. Having conceded 6 goals from Spain, I really don't think the Bulgaria game is about how Turkey is, it's more about how Bad Bulgaria is.
Dry_Jeweler_3487@reddit
Professional football should be banned in Bulgaria entierly
JarJarBingChilling@reddit
Wdym it is fair the better team wis. Correctional Turkey for the win
1Gothian1@reddit
That's what it's called - "to bring a knife against a dead dog" . The was expected, but probably with not such margin, then again it's to be expected.
DumberFarmer@reddit
I am not really into football but when i saw the field i thought to myself that Bulgaria isn't investing to football so probably it will be a win for the Turks. Was the old stars created by the Soviets or is there another reason for the current position of Bulgaria's football
No-Championship-4632@reddit
The old stars is the reason.
DumberFarmer@reddit
Why is that?
No-Championship-4632@reddit
The Bulgarian football association director was one of them for many years and he turned it into a super corrupt nepotist organization. Certain clubs were always favored, corruption among referees became widespread. He had huge budgets, build modern bases just to lease them to private businesses (of his friends). As a result, the overall level of the leagues dropped by orders of magnitude. Kids football schools/academies went especially low quality with lots of nepotism there. The goalkeeper of the national team was his son for many years. At some point there were even protests against the BG football association that demanded the change of its leadership and they were harshly met by the police using water cannons and lots of violence - all they lead to was the replacement of the director by another of his friends, an even more incompetent person that didn't even graduate high school.
The rest of them? Some tried to do something but failed (a big training grounds/stadium project in Burgas that did not materialize and is eventually becoming a residential area). Some took charge of a club team or participated/still participate in its management, most of them became well known for being very corrupt. Some quit football and don't care about it at all. Most of them defended their teammate that was the director of the football association at the time people protested against him.
New_Document_7964@reddit
Bulgar bros wtf is this 😐
SnooSuggestions4926@reddit
bulgar? lol
Motor_Ad6523@reddit
Revenge of 1. Balkan war
EnesAkhan@reddit
ngl nd not being sarcastic but Popov's goal was the best goal of the match like holy hell bro
sbbayram@reddit
skill issue, just like spain match.
ofaruks@reddit
Popov's goal was awesome
Worth_Tailor1358@reddit
azyrr@reddit
Circle of life
ducktumn@reddit
Kolaydı 💯