Where do you stand on geopolitical issue?

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BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)

People who support Russia and Israel, why?

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mcsroom@reddit

You mean how gay people are killed and send in prison for being gay in Palestine?

Both sides are evil, supporting ether one is morally bankrupt, but choosing Palestine a nation where woman cant drive cars, gay people are beheaded and sponsored by Iran a literal theocratic dictatorships over a stable, prosperous and socially much more ahead in every way society, is insane.

I would prefer every European country to become like Israel over having even one European courtly go back to being like Palestine.

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blodskaal@reddit

How many people that were gay, were sent to prison and executed in Palestine?

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mcsroom@reddit

Why does it matter? One is too much.

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Gold_Background_3788@reddit

The answer is none

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mcsroom@reddit

Ihttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63174835

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bad_gaming_chair_@reddit

I think I read this article before and if you boil it down to facts it reads "Palestinian man enters Israel regularly, was not allowed to enter anymore, found beheaded in a place he never even planned to go a month later", do with that what you will

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blodskaal@reddit

well both are bad, again, but having one person got killed vs like 200k. id say the 200k is much worse.

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mcsroom@reddit

Are compering only the Palestine authority to Israel? Do you not think this is kinda like compering apples to oranges when one is at war and the other is not?

Like do you believe for even one second that if we reversed the spots of those two the outcome would be the exact same.

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blodskaal@reddit

Its irrelevant whether if we reverse their spots a different outcome might happen. Both Israeli government and IDF and Hamas bad actors but for different reasons. But the civilians that are not Hamas don't deserve to get killed and treated like less than a dog because some Hamas motherfuckers and some Zionists decided to do things their ways.

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mcsroom@reddit

Do i disagree? I dont support Israel, all i said is they are better(subjectively) and that we should not support Hamas or the authority.

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blodskaal@reddit

Well you don't disagree with their genocidal actions. There is no fence. Sitting on this issue. You are either against people dying for a crime they did not commit, or not.

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mcsroom@reddit

I do.

I am against the Israeli state existing. I never said i support them. I also do not support ether the Palestinian authority or Hamas having a state, and i dont think you should either.

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blodskaal@reddit

I don't. I merely oppose the fact that a genocide is occurring and that the world is watching and not stopping it

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mcsroom@reddit

amazing, so why are you arguing against me than?

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blodskaal@reddit

coming up with strawman arguments is bad faith debating. Dont just talk out of your ass

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mcsroom@reddit

Strawman? Do you even know what that means?

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blodskaal@reddit

A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

Paraphrasing for clarity sake:

Me: Israel is genociding Palestinians You: oh, you mean those people that kill and jail gays in prison? They are bad people!!

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mcsroom@reddit

No, the argument is

''You should support Palatine states like the authority and Hamas''

And i argued ''Those states are no better, so you should not support them''

Your argument here is a motte and bailey.

The bailey is ''Support Palestine states'' and the motte is ''Be against geocide''.

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blodskaal@reddit

You made an assumption that I support Hamas or the Palestine state, which is run by Hamas. I don't support them. I also don't support Israel. Israel is committing a genocide, regardless of their reasons for it, which are fabricated. Palestinians don't deserve to be genocided. Plain as day

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mcsroom@reddit

You commented under my comment attacking this argument. You cannot pretend now that i am the one arguing against a strawman, when its clear as fuck that the iraqi guy was arguing exactly this argument:

''You should support Palatine states like the Authority and Hamas because Israel is genocidal.''

Like i said before i never claims Israel is right or any of that, just that its preferable, over the Palestinian states. Stop fighting a strawman.

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blodskaal@reddit

No one in that screenshot says support Palestine though. Genocide is wrong. It's irrelevant fact that both sides are evil. Both administrations are bad. Despite all that, genocide is still the wrong thing here and absolutely not justified. Your argument is utterly pointless.

Is your argument that it's better to be the one perpetrating the genocide instead of receiving it?

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mcsroom@reddit

Can you not read? It clearly says '''Why do you support Palestine'', are we gonna read that as the people or land? If someone said ''i support Israel'', do you read it like that?

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hiperf1@reddit

Well that's whataboutism, I do not agree how people are treated by the laws of Palestine, that doesn't mean I agree with the killings of innocents.

If Palestine was not experiencing genocide and you asked me if I supported Palestine in those matters, I would say no.

I am not supporting the state of Palestine, I am supporting the civilians who suffer under war.

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mcsroom@reddit

Well that's whataboutism

No its not, it would be if i said, that means Israel can kill Palestinians, i did not make that argument.

Quite the opposite i said ''Both sides are evil, supporting ether one is morally bankrupt''

I am not supporting the state of Palestine, I am supporting the civilians who suffer under war.

Exactly, this is why i dont say i support Palestine.

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blodskaal@reddit

you dont have to support palestine to be against the Genocide being perpetrated against them. Each crime has its own consequence. But Genocide is like at the Top of all crimes in terms of severity

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mcsroom@reddit

You dont have to support palestine to be against the Genocide being perpetrated against them

Obv, i neve

But Genocide is like at the Top of all crimes in terms of severity

Ehh, i dont think you can say that objectively, but thats not really relevant.

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blodskaal@reddit

you dont think that systematic extermination of a whole people is not at the top of all crimes? Like being purposely done just because they are not you?

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mcsroom@reddit

First of, this is a strawman, i said i dont think this is the case objectively. As i dont think you have an objective ranking of all crimes.

Further i dont think a mass killing being a genocide makes it worse.

If a serial killer killed 10 million it would not be worse than a nationalist doing. But fundamentally this still a subjective claim, as the reasons why i think so, are completely based on my life.

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No-Championship-4632@reddit

So is terrorism.

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BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)

Yeah IDF and UD army are terrorists

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

Is hamas terrorism? Was hamas at power in Gaza ever since Israel withrdrew from Gaza in 2005? Did they attack on October 7th and killed, burned, butchered civilians, kids, elderly?

There's clearly not a genocide because that means partial destruction of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group and there are alot of Arabs in Israel, alot of muslims in Israel so the definition of the word doesnt help your case.

Besides if you truly are from Iraq as your flair says there's no debating with you bc you're most likely muslim and in your culture hating and killing Jews and Christians alike is called jihad something that you as noble. Primitive and barbaric.

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blodskaal@reddit

brother. The whole world agrees that israel is commiting a genocide.

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

sadly the world doesnt agree that October 7th was a terrorist attack, the world doesnt condemn Hamas or Gaza being a terrorist hub and the world is only the uneducated that scream the loudest

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blodskaal@reddit

October 7th was a terrorist attack. The world Does Condemn Hamas. Gaza is a terrorist hub, because every single generation has seen half their family killed at the hands on IDF for absolutely no reason for the past 75 years and Israeli settlers showing encroaching on their ancestral lands. The Loudest voice online at the Israeli apologists and the Zionist propaganda machine.

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

Germany lost World War 2 and people have been killed including civilians you don't see them going on terrorists attacks - There are native americans still alive today and they aren't going on killing people because of their encroached land but you can continue looking for excuses regarding terrorists and their acts.

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blodskaal@reddit

Germany paid the price for their actions in WW2. A heavy price. The heinous acts perpetrated by the British and the US were also recognized and reparations were made for it.

Palestinians were being genocided till yesterday ( now that there is a ceasefire, probably wont last long). ITs ongoing.

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Arhys@reddit

Ceasefire is likely not gonna last and it only affects Gaza. Nothing in it about the West Bank where settlers continue to encroach and terrorize local population backed by the ITF.

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

and somehow all the famine disappeared once the ceasefire began people are happy about a ceasefire while Gaza itself is leveled

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insanekos@reddit

Ok then explain Nakba in 1948? What did Hamas do in 1948?

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

Palestine didn't even exist before 1948, didn't even had a political leader prior to 1948, Hamas wasn't a thing back then but you don't get upset about any other ethnic cleansing unless it was made by the jews, what about armenian genocide and ethnic cleansing of the bosnian war?

Armenians are not terrorists nor freedom fighters against turkey nowadays because of that so you could stop sympathize with terrorists just because you are antisemitic.

You don't get upset about the killing of christians in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Congo by muslims. Hearing nothing about Sinjar massacre in 2014 and the list could go on.

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blodskaal@reddit

Palestine existed the whole time bro what are you talking about. They were a brittish colony before WW2 and they were a region where Tribes of people lived. If we are gonna use official borders argument, Israel didnt exist either. So whats ur argument at all?

Like what is with people not understanding that few things can simultaneously, all bad, and one does not justify the other? The reason those people are so radicalized is because they have been abused and killed for so long, their median population is like 15. Thats crazy. Ofc they will be radicalized.

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insanekos@reddit

Dude are you ok? All good at home? I replied to your comment, regarding Israel and Palestine, which you did not answer. So you think all of those are genocides, except what is happening in Gaza? Even though all humanitarian agencies agree that it is a genocide? Why are you so adamant to prove that this is not a genocide? Can you link me any of your previous comments from history where you debate all of those genocides that you mention? Just to see how anti-genocide you are.

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

Sure I'll help you :
1. Bosnian Genocide
2. Persecution of Christians by Islamic State
3. Sinjar Massacare

Also this is how genocide looks like mind you the van with 2 naked women strapped in the back of that mini van

Also to answer your question directly - even in the Quran the Holy Land belongs to the Jews so what happened in 1948 it was indeed a violent displacement but that doesn't under any circumstances excuse the terrorist attack on October 7th and the mass killing of unarmed civilians and taking of hostage.

Gazans had more than a decade to build a good infrastructure, create a political goverment, prosper on their own ever since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 but they decided to become a terrorist hub.

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insanekos@reddit

Buy WHY did Nakba happened when there was no Hamas? Again you side step my question, I asked you to show me YOUR comments, from Reddit, where you debate those genocides. But apparently you dont have them so you link Wikipedia links? Sooo what about this link? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

I'm not debating genocides on reddit, but you clearly are. There was no Hamas in 1948 - and you know that you're just pushing your baseless narrative. I'm linking wikipedia link for you to read and hopefully get a wake up call realizing you're supporting terrorism.

Why Nakba happened because the land assigned to the jews at the end of World War 2 by the UN was occupied by tribes such as Sunni Arab Muslims and nomadic Bedouin Tribes, with many others subdenominations

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insanekos@reddit

Can you help me become Israeli bot? Are they paying you good? Where do I apply?

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

I still have yet to hear an explanation from you.

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insanekos@reddit

Dude, you are a bot. I figured it out hahahaha.

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

You're the one talking like a bot clearly you have no facts, examples nor do you have any idea of whats going on or truly any idea of history or knowledge on the subject you're brainwashed by the free palestine white girls

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No-Championship-4632@reddit

The fact that none of the pro-Palestinian crowd celebrates the ceasefire and the end of bombings, killings and bloodshed, with hostages and prisoners released speaks volumes. They don't care about people dying everyday, they just want the "white European colonizer oppressors" to suffer.

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No-Championship-4632@reddit

I remember the joyful barbaric crowds back then. Couldn't care less that they suffer now, karma is a bitch.

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

They are celebrating now the ceasefire which is interesting how a sudden ceasefire completely takes away the famine and misery you know. Almost like it never was, besides they're accustomed to war and that way of living since Muhamad

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No-Championship-4632@reddit

They are poor because certain billionaires living in Qatar (or rather lived) diverted the money the whole world donates to them. And they somehow expect me to support those guys, lol no.

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No-Championship-4632@reddit

Good, I like it when terrorists kill other terrorists. Less terrorists at the end.

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Arhys@reddit

That's not how that works though.

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blodskaal@reddit

IDF was actually formed from a Terrorist Cell.

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Professional_Fig6940@reddit

Pool say support palestine not hamas. Hamas is terrorist and Israel is terror state. Free Palestine.

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No-Championship-4632@reddit

Hamas are those "muh resistance" fighters that happen to rule Gaza where the war is. I see no difference between them and Likud.

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Abject-Ticket-6260@reddit

Not a big fan of genocide.

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

not a big fan of terrorism

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Abject-Ticket-6260@reddit

Nice, maybe Israel should doing it then!

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NoNegotiation3126@reddit

because Israel is by far the greater evil of the two.

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Privateer_Lev_Arris@reddit

Why because they're more powerful? Do you say that about every winner of a war?

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

I assure you that you'd rather have a jew neighbor instead of a muslim neighbor who'd kill you just because you have a different religion than him (mind you in their culture killing and honor killing is a very real thing and quite praised to kill in the name of Allah) so suit yourself but it shows the lack of knowledge about whats going on

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NoNegotiation3126@reddit

we were talking about countries, not individual people.

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Ok_Ask_1102@reddit

Gaza has been a terrorist hub since mid 2000s - ever since then they couldn't have a proper infrastructure, goverment, politics, not even a trained army (no such thing as freedom fighters, Hamas are terrorists) they've been free of Israel since 2005 when they withdrew and offered them millitary equippment so Gazans can make their own police force that never happened

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No-Championship-4632@reddit

I see it the other way around. There certainly are Palestinians that just want to live their normal life, not brainwashed by religion and ideology, not hateful and not violent. Gaza on the other hand....they tore off water pipes that provide access to their population in order to build rockets to attack and kill their neighbors.

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Chemical-Goose-2985@reddit

Because we were taught to read history in school.

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BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)

What history you learned that justified Russian invasion and Israel's genicide? Btw do you support the Greek solution.

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Chemical-Goose-2985@reddit

Only in reddit and only in 2025 i would be interogated by someone who wants to have a conversation about Russia/Ukr conflict, without having read about ww2, the outcomes, the negotiations and deals, what is Nato and what its charter says, what Nato officials promised and what Nato has been doing the last decades to honor or offend these deals, as long as the role it played in internal politics and maybe the coupe in Ukraine.

When it comes to Israel's genocide, that is a very pedantic and simplistic way of explaining an almost 100 year conflict with genocides from both sides, attrocities from both sides and many many wars that most of the Middle East partook, not simply Israel and Palestine.

So tell me, what history did you learn?

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Fantastic_Moment2069@reddit

Why not? Both are right and just defending them self. Russia defending them self from Western influence and invasion (who orchastestred coup in Ukraine) and Israel defend it self from islamic fanatics who want to kill them all for 80 years now

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Privateer_Lev_Arris@reddit

It's not that I categorically support Israel, it's that there's no sense in fighting against a vastly superior foe. You're just going to hurt yourself and your people. And that's exactly what Hamas is doing. There has to be a point when you say to yourself "this can't be won, let's sue for peace, and try to rebuild and make the best possible future for our people under these conditions. Maybe over time Israel will even become our partner and friend."

Every nation in history has had to face that stark reality at some point and most were smart enough to make the right decision. But not Hamas and the Palestinians. Of course I feel for them but a lot of the hurt and wounds were self inflicted. Let's be 100% honest about this.

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tinmanjk@reddit

I doubt they will answer here to get that -10+ karma boost.

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azuratios@reddit

We have 4 far-right parties in Greece:
1) Trumpists (Elected 4%) -> Pro-Russia + Pro-Israel
2) Trumpists but with hot woman (Unelected) -> Pro-Russia + Pro-Israel
3) Russian Orthodox (Εlected 3%) -> Pro-Russia + Anti-Palestine + Anti-Israel
4) Neo-Nazis (Elected 4%) -> Anti-Everything, Palestine is Greek

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LaFleur90@reddit

This is so misleading... Stop putting Trump in everything. I know you have reddit brainrot but try to overcome it.

Unbiased Truth:

Actual Neonazis (unelected): Pro-Palestine + Pro-Russia.

Right Wingers (Elected): Pro-Israel+ Pro-Russia.

Center Right (Government): Pro-Israel + Pro-Ukraine.

Center Left (Elected): Pro-Palestine + Pro Ukraine.

Left (Elected): Pro-Palestine + Pro Russia.

Communists (Elected): Pro-Palestine + Pro Russia.

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tnh1996@reddit

Probably to make you ask this. Dont take internet polls too seriuos, people vote whatever just to see results.

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Careless-Walrus2568@reddit

Just a guess. Nationalists, so they are for Russia and they hate Islam so Israel

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Manyfails@reddit

Literally we all failed as human beings regardless of the nationality or country so I couldn't care less about any of them.

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HighOnGrandCocaine@reddit

Idk, I kinda don't really care about those

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Bubbly-Fruit957@reddit

I'm not Balkan, but I do support Palestine and Ukraine.

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Big_Animator_2825@reddit

All other countries and regions are idiots; Balkan people and countries are right — that's a fact.

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georgakop_athanas@reddit

Anti-genocide and anti-Western hegemony.

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Veles95@reddit

I just hope all teams have fun

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

Pro Israel/Ukraine

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Careless-Walrus2568@reddit

Exactly. Hamas and Putin can go fuck themselves

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geo0rgi@reddit

Weird how saying fuck Hamas gets you downvoted in modern day reddit

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Careless-Walrus2568@reddit

Yeah it's ridiculous. I think is because people see everything black and white today. Like they think if you are against Hamas, you must be Trump loving anti LGBT anti Vaxer redneck. There is no other option

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

Average Palestine protester can just yell „free Palestine“, don’t expect critical thinking of this folks

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Vesko85@reddit

I’m of exactly the same opinion. I still remember how people in Gaza were celebrating after October 7th — karma.

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BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)

Worst position, it had no principles, just support whatever the west supports.

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

That’s what you want to believe, why would somebody sane support terrorists or a terror state

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Diligent-Owl1321@reddit

So, you're fine with Israel's apartheid regime? You're fine with Israel killing over 60,000 civilians and displacing approximately 2 million Gazans in the span of two years?

Even if you don't support Hamas, the Gazans were collectively punished despite not having been able to vote since 2006. Palestinians in the West Bank are still being punished, despite being governed by the PLO.

Why do Austrians and Germans consistently have some of the shittest takes on international affairs?

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

I don’t pretend to care about it, I have many Israeli friends so I am biased on this matter anyway.

The Gazans were dancing and celebrating during 7.October while people were raped and killed. They would cheer for genocide against Jews if the tides would swing into their favor.

Guess the dance is over

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PrettyChillHotPepper@reddit

Same, the only right choice.

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MWeHLgp1t4Q@reddit

me2

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Lazlum@reddit

Pro Ukraine
Pro 2 state solution
Against Hamas Terrorism and Bibis government

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BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)

🇵🇸🇺🇦 = Average redditor

🇵🇸🇷🇺 = Tankie who's nostalgic for their communist and socialist past.

🇮🇱🇺🇦 = western bootlicker

🇮🇱🇷🇺 = I like watching the world burning

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my_umpteenth_account@reddit

🇵🇸🇷🇺 = Tankie who's nostalgic for their communist and socialist past.

Nah, I am literally the opposite. Can't give less fuck about commies and their unending fuss

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Ok_Stretch_405@reddit

Everyone in the world is a western bootlicker, otherwise Europe would not be flooded with people from africa, arab countries, eastern europe.

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blue_pencil@reddit

"Europe would not be flooded with [..] eastern europe" wut

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PartyBusiness7247@reddit

fucking eastern europeans need to move back to where they came from or learn local European languages and integrate into European society

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

Western bootlicker ?

ME nations are the biggest wester bootlicker out there.

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Vesko85@reddit

Who are you to decide who someone is?

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rintzscar@reddit

This account has 400 000 karma in 5 months and has been reported multiple times for hate speech. It's very clearly a propaganda account.

https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/1l0w7qg/idk_if_this_kind_of_post_is_allowed_but_for_the/

Mods should be banning them on the spot.

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averege_guy_kinda@reddit

Im pro-I-Dont-GIVE-A-SINGLE-FUCK

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Porasen_s-djodjen@reddit

Bulgar Bulgar!

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Privateer_Lev_Arris@reddit

Out of those choices closest is pro Israel and pro Ukraine although I'm a bit neutral on the Russia vs Ukraine thing largely because there was a lot of shit-fuckery that went on in Ukraine (by the US and EU) that aggravated the whole situation. Still doesn't justify what Russia is doing. If I'm being perfectly honest I think Russia is paranoid as hell and they definitely have to stop trying to strong-arm their neighbours and maybe try to cooperate more with them.

But having said that I'm also a realist and the reality is that Russia is how it is and you gotta deal with what you've got and part of the problem is that people don't listen when Russia issues statements/threats. And sometimes the west even openly mocks Russia...and that's fine but then don't act pikachu surprise face when they go full aggro on someone as a response. And that's what pisses me off about the west, they know they're dealing with a bully with anger issues but they can't help themselves, instead of trying to manage and slowly change Russia, they literally made things worse for all of Eastern Europe and worst of all for every day Ukrainians who are paying the price for these stupid games the elites play.

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nikolapc@reddit

I am anti war as should be any ex Yugoslavian. War is hell. Killing your brothers(which Ukranians and Russians are despite everything) is double hell, I don't even want to start on the genocide Israel is doing, as we all know to well how awful and dehumanizing that is.

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ahmet-chromedgeic@reddit

I am anti war as should be any ex Yugoslavian.

It's trivially easy to proclaim yourself as anti-war, and most people do. But how you're imagining peace really matters. Do you think that the Ukrainian government should give up and just sign anything Russia wants? Because if not, then war it is, like it or not.

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nikolapc@reddit

I don't think anything, nor am I taking a side, I just think it should end. I think if it wasn't for European and US meddling there wouldn't have been a war. I don't have a say in what post war Ukraine should be.

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EmotionEven588@reddit

If there was no russia there wouldnt be war. Its same how serbia declared war and murdered their neighbours.

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vldrvldrm@reddit

udba will never understand the world.....the freedom, anything. You are determined pseudo-pacifists, who will stay on the evil side with a хитро селско лице

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