"Unification Part II" Spock says that he was key in the Klingon peace treaty or something, and he says he brought Kirk into it as the frontrunner.
Posted by Ralph--Hinkley@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 33 comments
I've watched Trek evolve from the series to the movies to TNG and the crossovers, but I haven't heard anything about this, unless it was mentioned elsewhere, and I wasn't paying attention.
Could someone help me out here?
strangway@reddit
TNG “Unification” came out in November, then Star Trek VI came out in December 1991. The events of the stories are 75 years apart. Pretend it’s November 1991, you just watched Unification, now watch Star Trek VI.
Both have the term “cowboy diplomacy” used to describe the approach to peace. I won’t spoil anything for you, but there is a connection.
Leonard Nimoy did the episode effectively for free (minimum SAG pay) to promote STVI, which he was a producer on.
soapcleansthings@reddit
They don't say "cowboy diplomacy" in Star Trek VI. But I'm curious about which scene or conversation where you thought they used it.
strangway@reddit
Sorry, I confused “gunboat diplomacy” with “cowboy diplomacy”
thirdeyefish@reddit
Also note that TNG was on the air when Star Trek V was made. This is why the Enterprise A has the same style warp core as Enterprise D. It makes Relics a little more fun because Scotty served in THAT engine room for a while.
Late_Organization_56@reddit
There’s heavy re-use of TNG sets in both movies. Ten-Forward, Main Engineering, the Transporter Room, the conference room, Data’s quarters became Spock’s quarters, the hallways and the battle bridge amongst others were repurposed for those movies.
euph_22@reddit
TIL. TBF I was 6 when those came out.
Faserip@reddit
I didn’t know that Nimoy directed those episodes!
We’d have all watched a pitch for timeshares though, if it had Spock in it…
Malnurtured_Snay@reddit
Spock was the lead Federation negotiator after Praxis; his father urged him to be involved. It's why he was leading the briefing at the start of Star Trek VI, and why, when he beams aboard for dinner aboard the Enterprise, Gorkon tells Spock it is so nice to finally meet him.
Lord-Curriculum@reddit
Today I truly learned to appreciate understatement. One does not basically rewatch the Undiscovered Country.
Malnurtured_Snay@reddit
One must watch it in the Original Klingon!!!
commandrix@reddit
Star Trek VI was my first thought too. The Khitomer Accords probably won't have happened without Spock's, Kirk's, and Sulu's involvement.
QualifiedApathetic@reddit
And what Spock says in "Unification" is that he basically dragged Kirk into that and it nearly got them both killed, which was why he's gone off on his own this time.
Malnurtured_Snay@reddit
Yes .... I think it's clear they kept the Klingons from seeking a military solution, but we also know from TNG and DS9 that it took almost another fifty years after the events of Star Trek VI until a formal peace was achieved between the Klingon Empire and the Federation.
commandrix@reddit
Yeah, in the real world, sometimes it takes more than one try before peace can last. The aftermath of WWI created conditions that led to WWII. In some long-running conflicts, sometimes one side isn't really serious about peace, it just wants a lull in the fighting so it can recover its ability to continue the fight. Stuff like that.
Malnurtured_Snay@reddit
I think it's probably more than looking for breathing room; that without the assassination of Gorkon, peace may have happened earlier. And that while the Klingons were willing to end the long Cold War that had existed, they weren't ready to be buddy-buddy, and that trust built over decades, coupled with an increasingly paranoid Romulan Star Empire concerned at how close these two powers were resulting in a series of attscks against their former Klingon allies, and the loss of the USS Enterprise defending one of those Klingon targets, is eventually what gave the Klingons courage to find peace.
-rogerwilcofoxtrot-@reddit
YOU, personally VOUCHED?!?!?!
euph_22@reddit
"Basically, rewatch Star Trek VI."
Always good advice.
Ralph--Hinkley@reddit (OP)
Yeah, that's been a while. I think I'll do that.
Qapla!
Brunt-FCA-285@reddit
Glory to you… and to your rewatch.
Stargazer1701d@reddit
It is a good day to.....cuddle up with my Star Trek DVDs.
Joe_theone@reddit
Spock had a Destiny. He was made for Great Things. Reunification was the Great Thing he decided to make his legacy. Maybe another shot at that Hawt little Rommie Captain that wanted him so bad
Cookie_Kiki@reddit
Undiscovered Country sort of leaves it open, but presumably he's called again as point person when they come back to the table.
RangerMatt76@reddit
Spock volunteered the Enterprise and Captain Kirk to meet Gorkon, the leader of the High Council. It’s an early scene in The Undiscovered Country where everybody is just talking and nobody is shooting at anybody.
Dowew@reddit
This was a plot point in star trek 6. Nimoy was a producer of the film and his appearance on tng was a form of publicity for the movie.
Uhtred_McUhtredson@reddit
What a great time to be a Trekkie.
Peak TV show. Peak movies. Peak crossover.
anisotropicmind@reddit
Cf. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.
Ok-Bowler-203@reddit
Am I such a Star Trek nerd that this was glaringly obvious to me? 🤓🖖🏼
optimusprime82@reddit
Unification Part 1 and 2 aired about a month before the release of Star Trek VI in late 1991. It's essentially a tie-in.
Ralph--Hinkley@reddit (OP)
That's useful information, and it makes sense, thank you!
YYZYYC@reddit
Umm it’s called Star Trek 6
Also I don’t think you know what frontrunner means
SMc1701@reddit
What pretty much everybody else said. Unification was made to ramp up to Star Trek 6. This is one of the main reasons Nimoy even agreed to do it.
27803@reddit
Umm there’s a whole movie about it called ST6 The Undiscovered Country
N_o_r_m_a_l@reddit
I think it's Undiscovered County.