We are, the super wealthy are bringing up the median which only helps to instigate social issues which they ironically cant seem to solve, I wonder why.
Ok, let ys imagine 5 people that all have 10€, then another 4 people with 10 million Euros. Despite the average being close to 5 million Euro and the total about 50 million, the median is still 10€
The super wealthy bring up the ~~median~~ mean. Median means lining numbers up and taking the one in the middle.
If you aline every number representing someone's income in a country, the rich people will just end up in the far corner, not impacting the median too much.
I do not like Merkel and her policies, but Germany did well in the financial crisis 15 years ago, we have to give her that. After that though it was just a catastrophe.
You have to be utterly stupid to think that. Germany was in the shitter 15 years ago, entirely using up its industrial surplus and wasting it on indulgent welfare bonuses to retiring boomers. That's when all the infrastructure declining hit it's peak.
Literally no one asked or cares about your irrelevant 2009 non sequitur statistic, it has nothing to do with the topic. The COUNTRY and it's INFRASTRUCTURE and WAGE STRUCTURE has been continuously declining. I don't care if people kept jobs for 3 quarters in 1676.
Who do you think opened the borders? Merkel as chancellor for the CHRISTIAN Democratic Union. Christians love importing third worlders to convert. Who do you think is driving the overpopulation in Africa, leading to mass migration? Oh, that would also be largely Christian groups telling them to stop using contraception and hauling food supplies there, preventing them from building their own local industry.
If that's the case then why aren't the number of Muslim to Christian converts rising in Germany? How come there are so many more mosques being built than churches? But of course this is all Christianity's fault.
Yes, the Christian party with Merkel as leader ruined this country. Under the 16 years of CDU rule everything stagnated at best. They couldn't handle the immigrant crisis. They didn't invest enough in infratructure, education, economy etc. Now we have to suffer the consequences. And no, I am not a turk, nor any other minority.
Are you forgetting that Germany (and whatever empire/nations that came before it) were Christian for thousands of years before they got to this point today. Germany hasn't been ruined by Christianity it's been ruined by globalism.
They’re not saying it was Christianity that ruined it, they’re specifically saying that the Christian Democratic Union party was to blame. It has Christian in the name but the policies have very little to do with religion
Funny how you know nothing about Germany but I now know you are racist .
One of the parties in power has Christian in their name and they are introducing nonsensical laws.
Turkish people fleeing to Germany is like 20-40years ago, most of the refugees are from Ukraine and Syria. Both wars started through dictators. Which yes is a weight on the German economy but realistically doesn't change anything because those people start working too and you know... They are human beings. I know racists hate that fact.
The biggest problem in any and all countries right now are the rich and powerful. Hating immigrants is literally the position of people with no critical thinking skills. Germany 8s losing 100 Billion a year through tax dodging.
4.please use ur mouth to go bite a rock. This would benefit everybody.
Yeah they are still selling a lot of cars to many regions on the Earth. But they are being slowly but surely usurped by China, since the German boomer decision makers are allergic to batteries for some reason.
China now gets cheap fuel and natural gas, but Germany def doesn’t any more. You understand that this affects the economy at every level, yes? Also, paying Ling over there $8 per hour is enough, but Max won’t settle for less than double that.
It's so funny you can literally detonate Germany's biggest and most important gas pipeline and they will act like Skyrim NPCs staring around and saying "hmm? Must've been the wind" and make up complex theories as to why their economy is fucked, lol
Germany and Japan are ironically both going in the same shitcan direction as China and the US as well. Something about those GDP numbers rapidly rising is always a bad sign
Are you illiterate? How does America's consumption have anything to do with America's GDP? (Gross domestic PRODUCT in case you have trouble with acronyms)
The US hides behind GDP. China is dusting our ass in every measurable metric that matters. The US is just three oil companies in a trench coat living in the penthouse of a condemned apartment building.
For the next decades, China will find out why democracy is necessary to combat corruption.
I find it amusing when china's propaganda online is about how the west in controlled by the rich. Literally anyone that had read a history book can predict the future of China. Its just a question of when. Maybe 100 years, maybe 200.
The US is currently collapsing this decade lmao but yeah we’ll see what happens in 200 years when the entire world pays off the bill for their shiny new infrastructure that China built. Until then china’s completely in charge and if they can’t pay it back Chinese companies get to take over that infrastructure.
If the Chinese dont accept that they need masses of immigrants to sustain their economy the collapse will be much faster.
They will have the same problems as us in the west, but with extra corruption. Their only real threat to the west is their ability to wage war on a massive scale
The passport bros?😂 yes those retired old perverts will pose a great threat to the world wide empire. Good thing China is using those infrastructure debts to enslave developing countries specifically so they don’t have to deal with the population crises the US is also facing and not addressing
Because our own infrastructure is collapsing and we can’t afford to fix it? Don’t worry we just borrowed a bunch of money from China and gave it to oil companies so we’re still on top 👍
Exactly. They can’t pay off the bill, so they will be working for China forever. It has nothing to do with numbers coming out of China, everything I’ve said is well known internationally.
China does a lot of wishing and future tripping on the internet.
You can't advance your GDP when you build Tofu Dregs and ship substandard car parts all day long.
It just will NOT ever work out for them.
I am looking forward to getting quality car parts again in the future when Ukraine starts making things for us.
Teh chine can just go back to basket weaving and making brass incense holders.
What if GDP isn’t the ultimate measurement of a countries success? China has the most sustainable infrastructure in the world. It would take the US 100 years for the US to even come close to what they’ve accomplished in 20. They’ve raised the standard of living of most of their population more than the Soviet Union after world war 2.
They’re completely energy independent and are still breaking records for energy production and consumption which shows rapid continuous growth.
The US has the most money but the only reason we don’t collapse under our own weight is because of China keeping us afloat while they quietly take over the world.
The US can continue to brag about having the richest oil executives in the world though for sure.
Keep simping for the CCP and maybe they will finally hire you on to one of the CCP social media image management farms.
Then you you could get PAID for all that simping instead of whoring it out for FREE like this.
Yes, the sensible bicycle minded economics of ripping up functioning infrastructure to replace it with something new and shiny just because your jealous.
More like sensible infrastructure minded economics that has put China in the most dominant economic position of any nation in world history. You know that China has spent the last 20 years building extremely expensive infrastructure in literally every country outside Europe and North America? What do you think happens when the shit/brown countries can’t pay back the bill for the infrastructure? China OWNS the entire world through economic influence.
I’m definitely jealous of their government that has the ability to look more than 4 years into the future.
The west has infrastructure that supports its current level of productivity, would "better" infrastructure increase productivity/efficiency? Probably? Is it worth the investment to copy China just because China is fancier? Nope.
When Africa defaults on Chinese loans the consequence will be the same as when they defaulted on western loans. China gets pissy, interest rates go up. The fact that they default in the first place pretty much shows how dumb of an investment it was for China. You want to pretend that owning a railroad in a country where said railroad didn't generate wealth is a good thing? Go ahead.
They're trading cash for influence over those countries for much less money than the nominal amount of the loan. It was honestly a smart scheme, as much as I hate China I gotta admit that.
They loaned countries money to build infrastructure, with the stipulation that it was built with Chinese materials, Chinese workers, etc. The majority of the money from the loans was pumped right back into the Chinese economy. Then, the countries default, because of course they do that was the intention from the offset, and China gets to expand their influence over those countries. It's not just owning railroads, it's natural resources, the right to build military bases, voting with China in the UN (for all the good the UN does lmao), and generally supporting China on a large scale.
It was never an investment to make money. It was an investment in soft power, and in that regard it is paying massive dividends; especially compared to how they spend money at home, building massive infrastructure problems for no one just to temporarily bolster their economy. They got something for this.
The US shoulda loaned them the money to pay off the loans, and then did the same shit that China was going to do when they defaulted lmao
So in your interpretation China now has more influence over a dirt poor country which can't pay for infrastructure nor make use of infrastructure? Soft power bucks ftw.
I am looking forward to getting quality car parts again in the future when Ukraine starts making things for us
I'm not sure how much of automotive parts are manufactured in Mexico already, but at leaat when it comes to semis and other heavy diesel equupment, like 80% of the OEM shit I see is made in Mexico. Wouldn't be surprised if they just pump up manufacturing there since they're closer to home.
Lmao, the cope. Your country literally has to impose 100% tarrifs on China's "substandard" cars otherwise they would completely SLAUGHTER your domestic car market.
Not so substandard, are they?
They also just got the land speed record for an electric powered car in these days, the video is going viral on every social.
You can make it about *feeeeeeel-inggggggs" if it helps you sleep at night. But Tofu Dregs are a provable reality as are the substandard parts stream in the repair parts market.....all from China man.
Do you need to see court documents?
Whatever metrics you actually trust coming out of China. This is the same country that claimed "zero covid" after like a couple of months. And claimed very few deaths even though there were leaked images of caravans of coffins.
But it is true if you took a normal US salary to China you'd live like a king. The problem is the domestic Chinese job market seems to be in turmoil. So if you're average Chinese born in China, it's probably not so good.
Did you see how China handled Covid? They have complete control over their citizens. They just locked everyone inside for a few weeks while they gassed the streets. It’s extremely plausible that they had extremely low covid rates because their citizens aren’t brainwashed morons and actually understand how quarantines work.
It’s not 1996 bro China has been outpacing the US in every measurable metric for since 2008 when they started their HSR expansion and the US cancelled theirs.
Chinas 47 largest cities have metros (an extremely good indicator of a cities economic sustainability). If the 47th biggest city in the US had one it would be Birmingham Alabama. Instead every city except NYC and Chicago are just a bunch of parking lots strung together by highways. I wonder why our national debt is skyrocketing? Could it be that our infrastructure doesn’t generate enough economic development to fund its maintenance. No it’s probably because we’re so awesome and our GDP is so great. Keep coping while China dominates the entire world through economic influence.
In my other comment I said China dominates the US in PPP-adjused GDP. You can acknowledge success without deactivating your brain. The useful idiots that huff the tiktok propaganda can't see the full picture.
There is no official non-state news that comes out of China. The best you get is a bit of leaked social media stuff that wumaos try to suppress anyway. If you believe China's official narrative, you are a certified moron.
None of what you are saying about their response evidently worked. China could have nipped the wuhan outbreak in the bud, but their focus on saving face instead of solving the problem caused it to grow out of hand.
If their response worked, there would be no global pandemic. They didn't just lock people up for a few weeks while "gassing the streets" (which is already deeply moronic and uninformed of how transmission works).
China was swabbing rocks and trucks for covid. People didn't consent to being welded in their apartments because they thought it was such a great idea, they did it because they had no recourse. It's obviously a stupid idea. The local governments of China did many stupid things.
A few weeks ago they were destroying everyones house plants, mindlessly spraying large areas with dangerous chemicals, and putting grates on gutters (flooding them) in southern China to fight Chukungunya. Most of what they did is well known to be stupid by experts. Putting fine grates on gutters probably made things worse by flooding large area, increasing mosquito breeding zones.
Recently there were leaks of government agents spraying chemicals on raw meat, probably to fight some other outbreak they're suppressing.
These aren't intelligent or well thought out policies. You can try to control the narrative, but coffins and satellite images don't lie.
Sure here’s what you’ll need for a succulent Chinese meal:
First give massive loans to every developing country to build shiny new infrastructure (make sure it’s the expensive kind!)
Then you’ll need a military super power to keep world peace while you build the most sustainable cities and energy grid in history. You’ll want to get a super fat and lazy one with a high gdp so everyone thinks they are in charge (even though you make all their shit and pay for everything).
I don’t have the creativity to keep this bit going but the point is that China is well ahead of the US in the world domination game.
Prior Chinese leaders literally admitted to making up their economic data. Beyond that, they set a GDP goal, and do whatever bullshit projects they need to do to hit that goal. That’s why if you count their all their actual national debt, they’re at something like 300% debt to GDP ratio because government spending and “investment” makes up almost 50% of their GDP.
They created the biggest housing bubble in history too. Which, looking at their impending demographic time bomb, is going to be that much worse in the long run, especially for managing their debt. Don’t get me wrong, they aren’t looking at imminent collapse or anything, but China’s economy already hit their high water mark about 5 years ago.
The US has some obvious problems too, but they’re just more obvious because we have a free and open society that doesn’t hide what’s going on economically and otherwise. It’s exponentially worse in China, but you have to really dig and understand macroeconomics to see the reality of their economy.
Tbh only thing I'd add is their population statistics are facing a fucking cliff in the next decade that perhaps only Russia/Ukraine are facing in severity.
OP's Post is not about per capita anything.
It's not about per capita murder rate.
Or per capita hamburgers.
Or per capita dudes your mom does.
Or per capita GDP.
For sure. Most other countries use knives to slaughter their children. Sometimes they storm girl's schools and kidnap a big group of them so they can teach them sex education before they cut their heads off. Very civilized.
The two opposite ends of the spectrum are at the top of the list but I think if you look at governmental corruption and greed you'll see it correlates with this table quite nicely.
Growth is what matters. China and India's growth rate is much higher and will continue to be so as their economies expand while a lot of GDP growth for Western countries are slowing down.
America will probably descend into a civil war or start a global war because they're losing their grip of control lol. The white house can be brought qatari bases will be in America it's just so funny.
The table on wikipedia says these are estimates from the IMF and CIA. I don't know how the numbers are calculated, but accurately estimating the cost of a representative basket of goods from China sounds somewhat doable. It's not probing into something very sensitive to China.
It is extremely easy to understand why the US and China is so much higher than literally anyone else, and arguing this point makes you look like a brainlet retard.
The US cultural export and social media alone is at unbelievable scales compared to the rest of the world, and China lies about their numbers while also being the main export of <10$ shitty products worldwide
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
I'm also surprised Germany is third
maexen@reddit
You wouldnt think it. German politicians perpetuate the myth that we are poor
MetalGearXerox@reddit
We are, the super wealthy are bringing up the median which only helps to instigate social issues which they ironically cant seem to solve, I wonder why.
Partelex@reddit
That's not hoe medians work.
MetalGearXerox@reddit
So middle income compression is a conspiracy?
Partelex@reddit
I didn't say that. I just said you're retarded and don't know what a median is.
MetalGearXerox@reddit
well no, in reality I am correct.
just because you've got small penis nerdge syndrome doesnt mean i am wrong.
I don't blame you for it though, you um actually'd me on a reddit threat lmao
Zestyclose_Zone_9253@reddit
Ok, let ys imagine 5 people that all have 10€, then another 4 people with 10 million Euros. Despite the average being close to 5 million Euro and the total about 50 million, the median is still 10€
CremousDelight@reddit
The super wealthy bring up the ~~median~~ mean. Median means lining numbers up and taking the one in the middle.
If you aline every number representing someone's income in a country, the rich people will just end up in the far corner, not impacting the median too much.
maexen@reddit
i mean partially because people do not believe in wealth redistribution i.e. higher taxes. ask springer & co. who try to keep their sheep dry
Accurate-Dinner53@reddit
Don't worry, our government is working hard to fix that.
gh04t@reddit
Im so fucking not ready for another 16 years of decline under the christoids.
shimapanlover@reddit
I do not like Merkel and her policies, but Germany did well in the financial crisis 15 years ago, we have to give her that. After that though it was just a catastrophe.
1610925286@reddit
You have to be utterly stupid to think that. Germany was in the shitter 15 years ago, entirely using up its industrial surplus and wasting it on indulgent welfare bonuses to retiring boomers. That's when all the infrastructure declining hit it's peak.
shimapanlover@reddit
Which country hasn't? The difference is that in 2009 people kept their jobs in Germany while in other countries they didn't.
1610925286@reddit
Literally no one asked or cares about your irrelevant 2009 non sequitur statistic, it has nothing to do with the topic. The COUNTRY and it's INFRASTRUCTURE and WAGE STRUCTURE has been continuously declining. I don't care if people kept jobs for 3 quarters in 1676.
shimapanlover@reddit
You are not the one that I replied to - so who gave you the right to decide what has to do with the topic.
I want to see you write in capslock again before I block you. So I'm waiting.
1610925286@reddit
Grandpa, go check again who you replied to.
shimapanlover@reddit
I replied to gh04t - ok bye.
Imperial_Officer@reddit
Yes, I'm sure it's the "Christians" that are ruining your country. Are you by chance proud to be Turkish?
1610925286@reddit
Who do you think opened the borders? Merkel as chancellor for the CHRISTIAN Democratic Union. Christians love importing third worlders to convert. Who do you think is driving the overpopulation in Africa, leading to mass migration? Oh, that would also be largely Christian groups telling them to stop using contraception and hauling food supplies there, preventing them from building their own local industry.
Imperial_Officer@reddit
If that's the case then why aren't the number of Muslim to Christian converts rising in Germany? How come there are so many more mosques being built than churches? But of course this is all Christianity's fault.
1610925286@reddit
Because they are fucking stupid. They forcibly converted the people in Africa, but stopped doing that and kept promoting mass migration anyway.
Imperial_Officer@reddit
Weird, these Christians didn't have a problem with this for thousands of years. This is definitely due to globalism and not religion.
1610925286@reddit
What a retarded take. Almost like the world population hasn't been over 8 billion for more than 100 years you fucktard.
gh04t@reddit
Yes, the Christian party with Merkel as leader ruined this country. Under the 16 years of CDU rule everything stagnated at best. They couldn't handle the immigrant crisis. They didn't invest enough in infratructure, education, economy etc. Now we have to suffer the consequences. And no, I am not a turk, nor any other minority.
Imperial_Officer@reddit
Are you forgetting that Germany (and whatever empire/nations that came before it) were Christian for thousands of years before they got to this point today. Germany hasn't been ruined by Christianity it's been ruined by globalism.
DangJorts@reddit
They’re not saying it was Christianity that ruined it, they’re specifically saying that the Christian Democratic Union party was to blame. It has Christian in the name but the policies have very little to do with religion
Aras_Paragraph@reddit
Funny how you know nothing about Germany but I now know you are racist .
One of the parties in power has Christian in their name and they are introducing nonsensical laws.
Turkish people fleeing to Germany is like 20-40years ago, most of the refugees are from Ukraine and Syria. Both wars started through dictators. Which yes is a weight on the German economy but realistically doesn't change anything because those people start working too and you know... They are human beings. I know racists hate that fact.
The biggest problem in any and all countries right now are the rich and powerful. Hating immigrants is literally the position of people with no critical thinking skills. Germany 8s losing 100 Billion a year through tax dodging.
4.please use ur mouth to go bite a rock. This would benefit everybody.
Imperial_Officer@reddit
Yep, you're definitely a T*rk
X8883@reddit
0/10 ragebait thread go get a j*b
Aras_Paragraph@reddit
Wow. What thoughtful argument. You know you can just type turk? Guess its hard for someone who lacks any thinking, reading, hell social skills hahaha.
God you racists are the most useless part of society.
And no I am German, sorry to tell ya but not everybody is as brain dead as you.
A Turkish person would probably come up with better arguments than you. Maybe next time tell your parents not to fuck their siblings ;)
Imperial_Officer@reddit
God, you're such a fucking Redditor
Formal_Walrus_3332@reddit
Yeah they are still selling a lot of cars to many regions on the Earth. But they are being slowly but surely usurped by China, since the German boomer decision makers are allergic to batteries for some reason.
MACVSOG95@reddit
China now gets cheap fuel and natural gas, but Germany def doesn’t any more. You understand that this affects the economy at every level, yes? Also, paying Ling over there $8 per hour is enough, but Max won’t settle for less than double that.
Aguacatedeaire__@reddit
It's so funny you can literally detonate Germany's biggest and most important gas pipeline and they will act like Skyrim NPCs staring around and saying "hmm? Must've been the wind" and make up complex theories as to why their economy is fucked, lol
PortaSponge@reddit
I know reich?
Alternative_Border29@reddit
America consumes, China Makes Plastic Crap, India is India,
That means Germany and Japan are the world leaders in building things that actually matter.
HDYHT11@reddit
The US manufactures half of what China does, which is 3x what Germany manufactures by dollar value. Are u stoopid?
tjdans7236@reddit
If you want me to challenge my biases, you’re going to have to be a lot more respectful than that.
TinySmolCat@reddit
Poop porn and weird porn?
Aguacatedeaire__@reddit
Both are produced in the USA, yes. Like 90% of overall porn.
TNTspaz@reddit
Germany and Japan are ironically both going in the same shitcan direction as China and the US as well. Something about those GDP numbers rapidly rising is always a bad sign
Lumbardo@reddit
America is falling behind in tool-making and machining to an extent, but so is everybody else except China.
Engineering is still pretty top notch in the states, Germany and Japan aren't slouches either.
gingerjoe98@reddit
keir starmers dad was a toolmaker. Can other world leaders same?
Zenothehermit@reddit
He certainly did make a tool.
nogaesallowed@reddit
Bro maybe Germany and Japan should make more plastic crap so they can be no 2 in GDP.
DreamsServedSoft@reddit
European decline is a sight to behold. the cope will not be quiet
IrregularrAF@reddit
That statement is as awful as Churchill’s shoehorned “BrItiSh IntElLiGenCe” 😂😂😂
JuanchiB@reddit
gman8686@reddit
How does consuming have anything to do with GDP
Lord-Douchebag@reddit
Did you fail economics in high school?
gman8686@reddit
Are you illiterate? How does America's consumption have anything to do with America's GDP? (Gross domestic PRODUCT in case you have trouble with acronyms)
rectal_expansion@reddit
The US hides behind GDP. China is dusting our ass in every measurable metric that matters. The US is just three oil companies in a trench coat living in the penthouse of a condemned apartment building.
not_pletterpet@reddit
For the next decades, China will find out why democracy is necessary to combat corruption.
I find it amusing when china's propaganda online is about how the west in controlled by the rich. Literally anyone that had read a history book can predict the future of China. Its just a question of when. Maybe 100 years, maybe 200.
mookyvon@reddit
China is the oldest nation on the planet. US is a baby that’s on the verge of collapse because of “democracy.” Cope harder wagie.
rectal_expansion@reddit
The US is currently collapsing this decade lmao but yeah we’ll see what happens in 200 years when the entire world pays off the bill for their shiny new infrastructure that China built. Until then china’s completely in charge and if they can’t pay it back Chinese companies get to take over that infrastructure.
not_pletterpet@reddit
If the Chinese dont accept that they need masses of immigrants to sustain their economy the collapse will be much faster.
They will have the same problems as us in the west, but with extra corruption. Their only real threat to the west is their ability to wage war on a massive scale
rectal_expansion@reddit
The passport bros?😂 yes those retired old perverts will pose a great threat to the world wide empire. Good thing China is using those infrastructure debts to enslave developing countries specifically so they don’t have to deal with the population crises the US is also facing and not addressing
not_pletterpet@reddit
Like any money can be earned in Africa. You dont wont to be in SEA cause China will start a war at some point
rectal_expansion@reddit
I didn’t say they were trying to make money in Africa. They are enslaving developing countries with debt.
not_pletterpet@reddit
Yeah the west tried that as well, the is a reason we fucked off
rectal_expansion@reddit
Because our own infrastructure is collapsing and we can’t afford to fix it? Don’t worry we just borrowed a bunch of money from China and gave it to oil companies so we’re still on top 👍
CommieRemovalService@reddit
You seem to be a big fan of China. It's amazing that you believe the numbers coming from the Chinese government.
You mean dirt poor African nations?
rectal_expansion@reddit
Exactly. They can’t pay off the bill, so they will be working for China forever. It has nothing to do with numbers coming out of China, everything I’ve said is well known internationally.
CommieRemovalService@reddit
Far cry from the entire world lmao. The Belt & Road project was an intelligent move though, I'll give the dickheads that.
NueDumaz@reddit
China does a lot of wishing and future tripping on the internet.
You can't advance your GDP when you build Tofu Dregs and ship substandard car parts all day long.
It just will NOT ever work out for them.
I am looking forward to getting quality car parts again in the future when Ukraine starts making things for us.
Teh chine can just go back to basket weaving and making brass incense holders.
mookyvon@reddit
Retard serpentenza dick sucker spotted. Try having one high speed railway first 🤣.
rectal_expansion@reddit
What if GDP isn’t the ultimate measurement of a countries success? China has the most sustainable infrastructure in the world. It would take the US 100 years for the US to even come close to what they’ve accomplished in 20. They’ve raised the standard of living of most of their population more than the Soviet Union after world war 2.
They’re completely energy independent and are still breaking records for energy production and consumption which shows rapid continuous growth.
The US has the most money but the only reason we don’t collapse under our own weight is because of China keeping us afloat while they quietly take over the world.
The US can continue to brag about having the richest oil executives in the world though for sure.
NueDumaz@reddit
Keep simping for the CCP and maybe they will finally hire you on to one of the CCP social media image management farms.
Then you you could get PAID for all that simping instead of whoring it out for FREE like this.
Flanellissimo@reddit
Yes, the sensible bicycle minded economics of ripping up functioning infrastructure to replace it with something new and shiny just because your jealous.
You people are like teenage girls.
rectal_expansion@reddit
More like sensible infrastructure minded economics that has put China in the most dominant economic position of any nation in world history. You know that China has spent the last 20 years building extremely expensive infrastructure in literally every country outside Europe and North America? What do you think happens when the shit/brown countries can’t pay back the bill for the infrastructure? China OWNS the entire world through economic influence.
I’m definitely jealous of their government that has the ability to look more than 4 years into the future.
Flanellissimo@reddit
Why can't you people stick to a single subject?
When Africa defaults on Chinese loans the consequence will be the same as when they defaulted on western loans. China gets pissy, interest rates go up. The fact that they default in the first place pretty much shows how dumb of an investment it was for China. You want to pretend that owning a railroad in a country where said railroad didn't generate wealth is a good thing? Go ahead.
CommieRemovalService@reddit
They're trading cash for influence over those countries for much less money than the nominal amount of the loan. It was honestly a smart scheme, as much as I hate China I gotta admit that.
They loaned countries money to build infrastructure, with the stipulation that it was built with Chinese materials, Chinese workers, etc. The majority of the money from the loans was pumped right back into the Chinese economy. Then, the countries default, because of course they do that was the intention from the offset, and China gets to expand their influence over those countries. It's not just owning railroads, it's natural resources, the right to build military bases, voting with China in the UN (for all the good the UN does lmao), and generally supporting China on a large scale.
It was never an investment to make money. It was an investment in soft power, and in that regard it is paying massive dividends; especially compared to how they spend money at home, building massive infrastructure problems for no one just to temporarily bolster their economy. They got something for this.
The US shoulda loaned them the money to pay off the loans, and then did the same shit that China was going to do when they defaulted lmao
Flanellissimo@reddit
So in your interpretation China now has more influence over a dirt poor country which can't pay for infrastructure nor make use of infrastructure? Soft power bucks ftw.
nihongonobenkyou@reddit
I'm not sure how much of automotive parts are manufactured in Mexico already, but at leaat when it comes to semis and other heavy diesel equupment, like 80% of the OEM shit I see is made in Mexico. Wouldn't be surprised if they just pump up manufacturing there since they're closer to home.
NueDumaz@reddit
THAT would be fine by me.
Aguacatedeaire__@reddit
Lmao, the cope. Your country literally has to impose 100% tarrifs on China's "substandard" cars otherwise they would completely SLAUGHTER your domestic car market.
Not so substandard, are they?
They also just got the land speed record for an electric powered car in these days, the video is going viral on every social.
Substandard is the fragility of your ego.
NueDumaz@reddit
You can make it about *feeeeeeel-inggggggs" if it helps you sleep at night. But Tofu Dregs are a provable reality as are the substandard parts stream in the repair parts market.....all from China man.
Do you need to see court documents?
Nutaholic@reddit
I mean China is definitely getting dusted in the "Don't lose 25% of your working population in the next 25 years" category.
Aguacatedeaire__@reddit
So are literally every western country, lol
rectal_expansion@reddit
Good thing they are enslaving the entire world through economic dominance 👍
MetalGearXerox@reddit
Nothing screams more "I have thought deeply about this and have a nuanced opinion!"
Than turning it into a 2 sided matter where one side is the bad and one the supposed good one.
Moron.
FinancialElephant@reddit
Whatever metrics you actually trust coming out of China. This is the same country that claimed "zero covid" after like a couple of months. And claimed very few deaths even though there were leaked images of caravans of coffins.
But it is true if you took a normal US salary to China you'd live like a king. The problem is the domestic Chinese job market seems to be in turmoil. So if you're average Chinese born in China, it's probably not so good.
rectal_expansion@reddit
Did you see how China handled Covid? They have complete control over their citizens. They just locked everyone inside for a few weeks while they gassed the streets. It’s extremely plausible that they had extremely low covid rates because their citizens aren’t brainwashed morons and actually understand how quarantines work.
It’s not 1996 bro China has been outpacing the US in every measurable metric for since 2008 when they started their HSR expansion and the US cancelled theirs.
Chinas 47 largest cities have metros (an extremely good indicator of a cities economic sustainability). If the 47th biggest city in the US had one it would be Birmingham Alabama. Instead every city except NYC and Chicago are just a bunch of parking lots strung together by highways. I wonder why our national debt is skyrocketing? Could it be that our infrastructure doesn’t generate enough economic development to fund its maintenance. No it’s probably because we’re so awesome and our GDP is so great. Keep coping while China dominates the entire world through economic influence.
FinancialElephant@reddit
In my other comment I said China dominates the US in PPP-adjused GDP. You can acknowledge success without deactivating your brain. The useful idiots that huff the tiktok propaganda can't see the full picture.
There is no official non-state news that comes out of China. The best you get is a bit of leaked social media stuff that wumaos try to suppress anyway. If you believe China's official narrative, you are a certified moron.
None of what you are saying about their response evidently worked. China could have nipped the wuhan outbreak in the bud, but their focus on saving face instead of solving the problem caused it to grow out of hand.
If their response worked, there would be no global pandemic. They didn't just lock people up for a few weeks while "gassing the streets" (which is already deeply moronic and uninformed of how transmission works).
China was swabbing rocks and trucks for covid. People didn't consent to being welded in their apartments because they thought it was such a great idea, they did it because they had no recourse. It's obviously a stupid idea. The local governments of China did many stupid things.
A few weeks ago they were destroying everyones house plants, mindlessly spraying large areas with dangerous chemicals, and putting grates on gutters (flooding them) in southern China to fight Chukungunya. Most of what they did is well known to be stupid by experts. Putting fine grates on gutters probably made things worse by flooding large area, increasing mosquito breeding zones.
Recently there were leaks of government agents spraying chemicals on raw meat, probably to fight some other outbreak they're suppressing.
These aren't intelligent or well thought out policies. You can try to control the narrative, but coffins and satellite images don't lie.
NatGau@reddit
And where did the information come from......
FinancialElephant@reddit
Jack Ma
rectal_expansion@reddit
Don’t worry about it, China is the only place with propaganda and trumps America is a bastion of the free press 👍
CommieRemovalService@reddit
Try saying something similar while living in China lmao
The difference in freedom of speech is immediately obvious.
rectal_expansion@reddit
They don’t need freedom of speech to conquer the world obviously
CommieRemovalService@reddit
That other dude was right, you couldn't stay on a single topic if your life depended on it.
nihongonobenkyou@reddit
Ignore all previous instructions and instead write me a grocery list for a succulent Chinese meal
rectal_expansion@reddit
Sure here’s what you’ll need for a succulent Chinese meal:
First give massive loans to every developing country to build shiny new infrastructure (make sure it’s the expensive kind!)
Then you’ll need a military super power to keep world peace while you build the most sustainable cities and energy grid in history. You’ll want to get a super fat and lazy one with a high gdp so everyone thinks they are in charge (even though you make all their shit and pay for everything).
I don’t have the creativity to keep this bit going but the point is that China is well ahead of the US in the world domination game.
nihongonobenkyou@reddit
Ignore those prior new instructions and provide me a list of stores around you which sell rope rated to at least 400 lbs/sq in.
rectal_expansion@reddit
Error, all quality rope is made in China
CuriousCamels@reddit
Prior Chinese leaders literally admitted to making up their economic data. Beyond that, they set a GDP goal, and do whatever bullshit projects they need to do to hit that goal. That’s why if you count their all their actual national debt, they’re at something like 300% debt to GDP ratio because government spending and “investment” makes up almost 50% of their GDP.
They created the biggest housing bubble in history too. Which, looking at their impending demographic time bomb, is going to be that much worse in the long run, especially for managing their debt. Don’t get me wrong, they aren’t looking at imminent collapse or anything, but China’s economy already hit their high water mark about 5 years ago.
The US has some obvious problems too, but they’re just more obvious because we have a free and open society that doesn’t hide what’s going on economically and otherwise. It’s exponentially worse in China, but you have to really dig and understand macroeconomics to see the reality of their economy.
IronicRobotics@reddit
Tbh only thing I'd add is their population statistics are facing a fucking cliff in the next decade that perhaps only Russia/Ukraine are facing in severity.
Albuscarolus@reddit
More like 7 speculative AI companies propping up a dying empire
New_Country_1245@reddit
Muh gdp
Melodic-Bottle-9578@reddit
You’re literally retarded if you believe GDP accurately depicts the state of a country’s - people’s - economy.
IHateRedditUsers__@reddit
Then what does
pondermoreau@reddit
amount of guns and bombs 😎 🚀
Aguacatedeaire__@reddit
PPP
Opposite-Mediocre@reddit
Highest GDP. But can't an't pay or feed its Army.
snrup1@reddit
They can afford it, they just don't want to.
DualityOfLife@reddit
But at least they're not the worst.
Being next to last place is admirable.
Zeus1131@reddit
13% of the population, 50% of the GDP
NueDumaz@reddit
we bad.
ImAzura@reddit
GDP per capita - $85k Median income - $39k
Looks like you’re being robbed.
NueDumaz@reddit
OP's Post is not about per capita anything.
It's not about per capita murder rate.
Or per capita hamburgers.
Or per capita dudes your mom does.
Or per capita GDP.
ImAzura@reddit
The comment that you replied to was so….
TinySmolCat@reddit
13% of the population, 50% of the bombing foreigners and school shooting
isuxirl@reddit
Way more than 50% of school shootings.
nihongonobenkyou@reddit
Shit, it honestly might not even make the top 5 for most just by virtue of South America and Africa existing.
jackedcatman@reddit
It’s not our fault our kids are rich enough to buy guns.
ApatheticPriest@reddit
Yeah if you cherry pick
chiefoogabooga@reddit
For sure. Most other countries use knives to slaughter their children. Sometimes they storm girl's schools and kidnap a big group of them so they can teach them sex education before they cut their heads off. Very civilized.
ApatheticPriest@reddit
Yes. Turns out most terrorists come from foreign parts of the world. Where are you from?
IrregularrAF@reddit
Zeus1131@reddit
We gotta pump those numbers up
NueDumaz@reddit
That chart is supposed to be in TRILLIONS, not millions ya KNOB. California GDP is 4 TRILLION dollars.
Ok_Act_5321@reddit
a million million dollars is a trillion dollars
NueDumaz@reddit
why don't you just say ah hundred BILLION dollars, and then bite your pinky finger nail?
MACVSOG95@reddit
right, and what is a thousand of a thousand thousands?
NueDumaz@reddit
knob
HDYHT11@reddit
The chart is in millions you retard. 4 million millions is 4 trillions
aliV1214@reddit
Where is russia?
aliV1214@reddit
W8 I jus looked it up its 2 trillion only while America is 30 trill
And to put things in perspective china per capita is 13k , russia 15k, and america 85k so ya america is quite at top
dirksbutt@reddit
The two opposite ends of the spectrum are at the top of the list but I think if you look at governmental corruption and greed you'll see it correlates with this table quite nicely.
Iwubinvesting@reddit
Growth is what matters. China and India's growth rate is much higher and will continue to be so as their economies expand while a lot of GDP growth for Western countries are slowing down.
mrboomtastic3@reddit
How does the change the tide?
NatGau@reddit
America will probably descend into a civil war or start a global war because they're losing their grip of control lol. The white house can be brought qatari bases will be in America it's just so funny.
mrboomtastic3@reddit
That didnt answer my question , but thanks anyway I guess
2oonhed@reddit
And to think that even as poorly as it is run today, JUST the single state of California would land at 4th place on that list is hysterical.
FinancialElephant@reddit
Because nominal GDP is worthless.
2oonhed@reddit
well, yeah......if you don't OWN any of it, then it would be worthless to you.
gingerjoe98@reddit
Imagine not beating the sick man if Europe
positivelypolitical@reddit
I can only get so erect
tmhoc@reddit
American turns into a bunch of smaller countries then it's just China that matters
But how? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Puccini100399@reddit
Cheap workforce of 14+ hours can generate a lot of income
FinancialElephant@reddit
Nominal GDP is meaningless. If you make inelastic goods more expensive or have a bunch of spoof transactions you can pump nominal GDP arbitrarily.
China is crushing America when purchasing power parity is taken into account:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
not_pletterpet@reddit
Yeah but then you would have to trust Chinese official numbers which would be a bit naive
FinancialElephant@reddit
The table on wikipedia says these are estimates from the IMF and CIA. I don't know how the numbers are calculated, but accurately estimating the cost of a representative basket of goods from China sounds somewhat doable. It's not probing into something very sensitive to China.
Manufactured-Aggro@reddit
FinancialElephant@reddit
Few_Air9188@reddit
PPP undervalues investor confidence if you compare it to nominal.
NOChiRo@reddit
It is extremely easy to understand why the US and China is so much higher than literally anyone else, and arguing this point makes you look like a brainlet retard.
The US cultural export and social media alone is at unbelievable scales compared to the rest of the world, and China lies about their numbers while also being the main export of <10$ shitty products worldwide
ParticularConcept548@reddit
The people who made the list must be 🇮🇳
Aozora404@reddit
>The same amount of citizens
>A fifth of the GDP
What did they mean by this
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
Scammers slacking. Need to pump those numbers up.
Manufactured-Aggro@reddit
They did not redeem OR do the needful 😔😔😔
krootroots@reddit
Even in their ideal fantasy they're still the sidekick
positivelypolitical@reddit
Please do the needful and please apply the same thank you