Anon figures out why today's 30-year olds never grew up

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LukeJaywalker0@reddit

why get job, invest, and be whatever this writer's approximation of mature is when i can jerk off and goon to ZZZ and have the same amount of no house and no lover that i would if i followed his desired path (i dont jerk to zenless zone its just for the plot)

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meechmeechmeecho@reddit

I never understood jerking it to a game. Like maybe if it’s like some form of foreplay to the actual jerk sesh.

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LukeJaywalker0@reddit

i mean a picture of a real life woman versus a cartoon or game woman is just pixels on your screen anyway

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Educational_Alps4308@reddit

what a dogshit take lmao. why dont you jerk it to pictures of wardrobes and couches then? its all just pixels on the screen anyway

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LukeJaywalker0@reddit

because those aren't pixels in the shape of women

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Educational_Alps4308@reddit

either it matters what the pixels shape up to be or they dont. you cant be claiming whichever side supports your disgusting kink with anime

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LukeJaywalker0@reddit

if they shape up to be a vaguely woman form, you can jerk to it, whether it's a real woman or a video game character or what else

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Educational_Alps4308@reddit

your shit take makes me so angry i could stand up

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LukeJaywalker0@reddit

why r u so mad. if the pixels take the form of a vague representation of something that is sexually attractive to you, you can beat to it if you want. why is this a big deal to you

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meechmeechmeecho@reddit

No, I get that. I mean while playing a game.

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LukeJaywalker0@reddit

i think you just hover the character gallery and beat it in between actual rounds of gameplay

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TinySmolCat@reddit

These articles are always written by feminists.

Their yardstick for whether you are an adult or not is whether you are of any use to women.

Guys who are just happy playing Xbox while making a moderate age? Never grew up, cuz they aren't accruing tons of debt to go on overseas vacations with a land whale.

Tons of guys have dropped out of the game cuz the system is completely rigged against them with how divorce court works, and how modern women treat them. They don't want to be another statistic just so they can look "grown up" to New York Times

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outland_king@reddit

Its not feminists, its the aging genX economists trying to shame the genZ kids into consuming and spending money they dont have, notice how all the adult measurements are materialistic items : a house, a family, traveling, clothing etc.

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Autisticus@reddit

Id try to have a family if I was wanted

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LukeJaywalker0@reddit

so if i use 80% of my paycheck for onlyfans, am i grown up? too bad these brave soldiers scrape their pages and share them for free.

should we reverse the narrative and start writing articles about how women aren't grown up unless they suck dick on the first date? date meaning just going to your house and donating that sloppy?

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Nasapigs@reddit

should we reverse the narrative and start writing articles about how women aren't grown up unless they suck dick on the first date?

If you can unite men to actually support those kind of articles, but I don't really see that happening. Men don't support men like women do.

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edbods@reddit

like women do.

hahahahahahaha

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Nasapigs@reddit

Was it the ambiguity of the sentence? I meant like they do to each other. Or do you believe the sisterhood isn't a thing

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edbods@reddit

no i mean the worst enemy of women is other women. if you want to see it in action look at how a bunch of them treat a woman that looks better than them, or hear what they have to say when she's not around. guys get jealous of other guys all the time but the shit i've heard when women talk about other women behind their backs can be absolutely unhinged

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S3ptyr@reddit

Even with a house and a job I’d goon to ZZZ.

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wackojacko151@reddit

Which ZZZ girl thobeit this is important

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LukeJaywalker0@reddit

i dont play that game so ill just say the hottest one that is of adult age

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Just-Equal-3968@reddit

Because her bubble, and comfy very easy life of luxury, depends on men doing the shit jobs and the dirty work to maintain the boat. If most men could do it but on some token penance salary, and without asking for sily things like owning land and a house, or having a wife thats not allowed to whore around, etc.

Thats also why they vote and push and screach and claw for immigrants.

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Nasapigs@reddit

That's also why they vote and push and screach and claw for immigrants.

I'm not entirely if you're pushing a gendered view or not. The only thing I want to add is the elites are using women's conformity traits to push these and she is one of them. So it's simultaneously gendered in result but not in motive.

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Master_Shopping9652@reddit

You goon to sleep?😴

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LasyKuuga@reddit

Ill grow up when I can afford grown up things. Like you know a house

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caramelsumo@reddit (OP)

Someone wasn't bullied enough

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LasyKuuga@reddit

Whether or not you got bullied results in growing up is a dog shit retarded take tbh.

It's more whether you had enough "grown up" experiences like solo travel, make your own doctors appointment, pick up prescriptions and shit like that.

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Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit

You're not bullied enough obviously

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greenlilypond@reddit

I guess poor people in third world countries never grow up then. Those boys who had to work in diamond mines are perpetual children.

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LasyKuuga@reddit

Fun fact most ppl would constitue providing for your family as a "grown up" experience

God your dumb

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wordjedi@reddit

To ~~"constitute"~~ CONSTITUE something means to make up or form a whole. It can also mean to establish or set up something formally, such as an institution or a government

Last night your wife's boyfriend constitue her vagina and let you watch

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MyinnerGoddes@reddit

Something something mutt’s law

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Zeus1131@reddit

You're*

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Nantafiria@reddit

You know things are fucked when journos aee about as insightful as edgy redditors

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Moimus@reddit

*get to play with other kids in the mud while finding great prizes. Fixed it for you

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randCN@reddit

i mean there's truth to that, a lot of them ended their lives as children

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mayhap11@reddit

Yes, peasant farmers in ancient history famously only became recognised as adults after going on a contiki tour and getting the morning after pill without their mom knowing.

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bunker_man@reddit

They didn't have trouble affording a house.

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LasyKuuga@reddit

says "grown up" experiences lists out modern examples

Peasant soyboy beta cuck farmer gets mad classic

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meechmeechmeecho@reddit

Sounds like somebody wasn’t bullied enough…

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LasyKuuga@reddit

My dude were on r/4chan. The Venn diagram between bully victims and r/4chan is a circle

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HefflumpGuy@reddit

Anyone who tried to bully me got punched in the face

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GordonLettuce@reddit

This guy punches metal for fun

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HefflumpGuy@reddit

I'm a very peaceful person in general but if someone keeps poking my chest and saying "What you gonna do about it?" I'll punch them.

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Dwaynedouglasv1@reddit

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HefflumpGuy@reddit

Exactly

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pinnerbluntz@reddit

Fucking sick bro

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HefflumpGuy@reddit

Lol. It's funny to get downvotes from Reddit pussies, who couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag

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Captainjimmyrussell@reddit

Fucking lold

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mayhap11@reddit

Reddit isn’t sending its best today

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Judah_Earl@reddit

Peasant farmers also took less shit from their overlords than we do.

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TheHawthorne@reddit

There was actual research in the UK that showed bullies were generally getting paid more than their victims in adulthood.

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Pitiful_Special_8745@reddit

He is trolling but he is right.

They are terrified of life.

More out and spend 80% of your salary on rent.

Maybe thay will force you to work 300 hours a month and learn skills, get better job.

Look at Olympics 100 years ago. A half drunk random guy could beat the world's best. 0 competition. Today every millisecond of their life is calculated just to qualify.

Maybe it was easier back than. But today if you stop complaining about orange man and boomers, turns out making money is extremely easy.

They could not even realistically buy the market or get business loans.

Today a 14 year old kid can make youtube videos or trade and make money. Worked for me.

But what do I know i just do. I dont see the point of complaining.

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Bezerkomonkey@reddit

Guy is obviously being ironic

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Kynandra@reddit

Shut up nerd give me your lunch money

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SkizerzTheAlmighty@reddit

They're being facetious

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lapideous@reddit

You’re not real until you’re forced to prove it

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Odinskriger@reddit

The people pleading for more bullying seem to be in some fantasy lala land where they think they would and could never be the bullied one. I would love to see them stand by their principle when they get bullied. Bullying doesn't build you up, it just demoralizes, debilitates and destroys you. It would stunt you even more and make you bitter. It might even lead to either sewerside or violence.

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AyAyAyBamba_462@reddit

I was bullied ruthlessly growing up. We need more bullies.

They provide a necessary role in our society: The early correction of abnormal behavior. Weird or odd behavior will be singled out and targeted. The behavior will be corrected or hidden behind closed doors. Society functions better as a result.

Instead our society has flipped and now coddles this weird, socially unacceptable behavior because it makes people more unique/diverse even when that uniqueness is bad.

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Odinskriger@reddit

And as you have been ruthlessly bullied, you are coping at least as ruthlessly. Suffering has no magic meaning. You have been caused harm, for no other reason than the joy of others. Really deeply think and ask why you have to change for anyone? Maybe they should change for you? You did not ask that question, because you are either coping or a willfull slave to their whims and will. What is considered normal and appropriate behaviour is tied to whatever the whimsical fashion is at the time you are born and raised in. What role do they play if not the role of the enemy? What are you if you conform and embrave your enemies? Why are you not repaying them the favor?

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Rambozo77@reddit

Or it makes you stand up for yourself and stop being a pussy

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Odinskriger@reddit

The thing is, the time you stand up to them, most schools will punish you.

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Rambozo77@reddit

That is true and it is ridiculous and unfortunate. But you still need to stand up for yourself and stop being a pussy.

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Odinskriger@reddit

I agree with that. No one will stand up for you, so you will have to do it yourself. Do whatever is necessary, even if that means doing the Devil's bidding.

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Rambozo77@reddit

This isn’t about butt stuff.

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outland_king@reddit

I think the reason people are calling for bullying is the vast amount of shameless internet trending nonsense we see now with social media.

A few decades ago this wasn't a thing becuase you didnt have echo chambers of like minded people on the web to feed your ego; you had your local schools and neighborhoods, maybe a few social clubs that would call out bullshit so people adjusted to social norms of the time.

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wordjedi@reddit

Hegseth says we're going back to drill sergeant ass kicking, so we got that going for us

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LooseButtPlug@reddit

You know what's funny? That there is an entire generation that thinks home ownership has been in reach of everyone except their generation.

Only 32% of adults were homeowner's in 1989. Today that number is over 73%.

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beclops@reddit

I assume these are US numbers? Canadian numbers would absolutely not match these figures

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LooseButtPlug@reddit

Canada is 69% in 2021 (last official report) and estimated at 65.8% in 2025.

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beclops@reddit

I’d love to see these numbers for each age demographic personally, because sure I have older family/friends that own homes from before our market truly started shitting the bed, but in my age bracket I know literally 1 person

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FuckRedditIsLame@reddit

I think the doom you're fed isn't entirely based on the reality a fair majority of Canadians are experiencing.

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beclops@reddit

You’re right there’s actually no problem at all :) that’s why building homes was the main goal of both of our candidates for prime minister, left and right

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FuckRedditIsLame@reddit

The problem is not that there aren't enough homes, it's that too many people want to live in the same very specific places, and this is aggravated by current migration policies.

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beclops@reddit

Yep this is exactly right. It definitely doesn’t help anywhere other than Vancouver or Toronto isn’t developed enough to support a bunch of people though. But you’re 100% right that there’s no incentive, financial or otherwise, to live anywhere other than those cities at the moment. It’s why it’s so damn stupid the municipal government in Toronto is attempting to reel back working from home

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LooseButtPlug@reddit

Canada is 66.5%

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Jimbenas@reddit

Source? This shit could be useful for clowning on all the doomers.

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colddruid808@reddit

Most graphs and statistics you see are bullshit in some way. After all, we just make up arguments on the Internet that conform to our worldview.

If I had to guess though, both boomers and millennials are big generations, so when they both are in the same market the supply of housing is probably low.

I also think delayed milestones are definitely a real thing. If people joined the workforce immediately out of highschool perhaps they could save up enough money with their spouse to afford a home sooner.

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Jimbenas@reddit

It’s worse if your degree ends up being useless. Imagine graduating with 80k in debt and 4 years of lost productivity.

The cost of a degree is well over 200k and 4 years of experience if you cannot find a good paying field. The degree inflation of Late Millennials and Gen Z is going to bite everyone in the ass.

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LooseButtPlug@reddit

I literally just googled it and then made up my own numbers.

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Jimbenas@reddit

I’m gonna just make up numbers from now on.

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beclops@reddit

Thrleven

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Rambozo77@reddit

That’s all anybody does anyway.

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TinySmolCat@reddit

that 65% is mostly concentrated on old people, young people are mostlly homeless

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LooseButtPlug@reddit

"The percentage of young homeowners in the U.S. varies by age group, with the rate for those under 35 at approximately 36.3% in late 2024, while the homeownership rate for Gen Z (born 1997-2012) was 26.1% in 2024. However, data shows that homeownership rates among younger age brackets have fluctuated, increasing between 2016-2022 but declining since late 2023 due to economic factors."

The young are literally on par as they've always been, as they get older those percentages obviously rise because they make more money.

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Purplefilth22@reddit

I'll just leave this here. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/median-house-prices-vs-income-us/

8 month old account, almost 20,000 karma but everything is hidden. I'm wondering does the "war of words" pay for reddit posts? Is the western version of the 50 Cent Party hiring?

Do you actually glow?

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LooseButtPlug@reddit

"hey, I tried to stalk your profile, but you had due diligence and I can't harass you for everything you've ever posted in the past"

.... I wonder why my comments aren't public.

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ResponsibleFarmer396@reddit

it doesnt really account for the amount of debt you have to take on now vs then

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FuckRedditIsLame@reddit

Debt's the main thing here. In real terms a home is a lot more expensive over the life of the loan vs 50 years ago. But earning potential normalized by cost of living is higher today than it was 50 years ago, as is upward mobility. Key point though is that gen z and millennials think it's a god given right to live in the heart of any given city, but it's not, it's an absolute luxury, or you're going to live like a NYC immigrant taxi driver, with 7 roommates, eating the same meal every day.

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Rambozo77@reddit

Or where you live.

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Theroux721@reddit

Does that figure include adults living with the homeowner?

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ForumsDwelling@reddit

Are you trolling? Census says homeownership was around 64% in 1989

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Captainjimmyrussell@reddit

That 65% isn't Canadians living in a home they own, its 65% who live in an owner occupied home

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LooseButtPlug@reddit

No it's not. why lie?

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intothewild72@reddit

Most people in the world wont even dream about own house. Most people in the world live in such cramped conditions that what you live in seems like luxury.

No its not excuse why you should suffer. Its just background info.

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accountaaa@reddit

Why not develop a skill and get a job meant for adults?

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beclops@reddit

I make $150k in Canada and that will just about buy me a little bachelor shitbox in some condo or a house 5 hours away from my job

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FuckRedditIsLame@reddit

Yeah but that's Canadian dollars, if you measure in real money it's not so bad.

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beclops@reddit

It’s roughly 2.5-3x the average where I live

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Crockinator@reddit

Same, but Quebec.

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_Rook_Castle@reddit

Move out of BC.

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beclops@reddit

I don’t live in BC, I live somewhere worse. Toronto

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accountaaa@reddit

Oh yeah if you're canadian you never had a chance lol

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VirtueSignalLost@reddit

Because there are now so many ways to survive without a traditional job.

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DreamsServedSoft@reddit

I did. barely worth it. i consider quitting and going back to NEET every day

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baudmiksen@reddit

living the dream

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DankElderberries420@reddit

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FuckRedditIsLame@reddit

Being an adult isn't about buying shit.

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Khalitz@reddit

What? You're not a part of the hustle culture with a lambo flaunting your wealth on social media as a 20-something millionaire?

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Thanag0r@reddit

Only Americans believe that they must get a house, living in an apartment is unacceptable. Everyone must have one, if Simpson has one everyone should have one too.

Americans are stupid and arrogant.

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Dizzy_Feature@reddit

I don’t know the us housing market. But is it possible to rent / go to a cheaper state? Doesn’t it take place massively? Just interested

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ahackercalled4chan@reddit

real. boomers kicked the ladder out behind them

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DankElderberries420@reddit

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snrup1@reddit

Ok but did you only start caring about this shit when you got to your mid-30s? I had no issue buying a house at 30, and that was only a few years ago. My friends that dragged adolescence on through their 20s are also struggling, unsurprisingly.

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LooseButtPlug@reddit

You know what's funny? That there is an entire generation that thinks home ownership has been in reach of everyone except their generation.

It's always been a rich person commodity.

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FanaticEgalitarian@reddit

Just wait until AI is able to do most jobs, the middle class will be eradicated and people will be left to die in the streets. Live it up while you can boys.

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SplashingChicken@reddit

Two things: Feminism and boomers.

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DualityOfLife@reddit

I love how they act like the previous generations 'definately' grew up, no question, without a doubt.

And it's always someone else that's the problem child.

You heard how some people got jobs 50+ years ago? They just walked down the street, and a dude came up to them desperate looking for workers. These same people years later called you lazy and accused you of having it so easy.

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YoNoSoyUnFederale@reddit

Don’t sell a generation on the absolute imperative of owning a home and how renting is fiscal suicide and then have both insane rents and unreachable real estate prices.

Many things are easier for younger generations but living arrangements are legitimately generationally difficult

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TinySmolCat@reddit

owning homes isn't that big a deal. If you put the same amount in the stock market you would have put in paying off a home, you most likely made more money, especially given the recent bull market.

Home ownership is just a thing they sell to people as "the marker of success", to drive up home prices for the boomers who own them. Always look at the people who are telling you to buy something and what their motives are.

The bigger problem is that most people have zero fiscal responsibility and just buy shit the moment they get their paycheck: they should invest more of it in reliable assets

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randCN@reddit

owning homes isn't that big a deal. If you put the same amount in the stock market you would have put in paying off a home, you most likely made more money, especially given the recent bull market.

bro does NOT understand leverage

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Zpalq@reddit

What do you mean, just invest in the stock market and you get a ton of money. I'm 14 and have watched 10 Dave Ramsey videos, I know better than you

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Dialectic-Compiler@reddit

I don't give a sgit about owning a house as a marker of success. I want some fucking space that's my goddamn own.

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sdrakedrake@reddit

If you put the same amount in the stock market you would have put in paying off a home, you most likely made more money, especially given the recent bull market.

Doesn't work like that because if you don't own, then you are renting, which is also high af not leaving much to invest

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mischling2543@reddit

His alternative is clearly living with his parents and putting everything into the stock market. Because that totally gives you a comparable quality of life lmao

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DreamsServedSoft@reddit

cute but I cant live in my brokerage account

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Nasapigs@reddit

The bigger problem is that most people have zero fiscal responsibility and just buy BS the moment they get their paycheck: they should invest more of it in reliable assets

This works until you realise we're a consumer economy

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J3wb0cc4@reddit

The prices are indeed insane. We couldn’t even buy a house for ourselves without having a relative pay rent to help with mortgage. And do you know what our total household income was at the time to afford a 450k house? Like 250k. Your salary needs to be more than half the price of the house to afford it these days. And it’s tight budgeting, no weekly trips to the clubs or buying fancy toys. No big Christmas or bday gifts or trips etc.

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CaterpillarLoud8071@reddit

Because you can't work your way into wealth any more, unless you get really lucky. Young people today look at their parents - mine can't manage money for shit, don't earn much, but got lucky buying a nice house when they were dirt cheap and were rewarded with big pensions they didn't contribute much towards. That generation is not exactly a good role model or advertisement for meritocracy.

We know we can't get the same by working hard because they own all the wealth and we'll only see it when we get an inheritance. So it's no wonder many of us are lazy and entitled as well.

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Bakisyeetaddiction@reddit

Dudes who say to bring back physical bullying were 100% online/home school raised kids with 0 social circle

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Chadzuma@reddit

Bullying can be good because it teaches you how to solve your own problems, as you can stop bullying pretty easily by just figuring out how to make the bully realize it's more trouble than it's worth to bully you. Like if it's not fun for them or inconveniences them in some way they won't want to do it and will just leave you alone. But some people cannot figure out how to do that on their own or are too passive so they just let the bully sink his teeth in and at that point trying to stand up for yourself is too late and gets shot down, or it might spread to an entire group bullying you which is almost impossible to reverse.

But now if you get rid of that trial entirely it means nobody in your generation gets a chance to pass the trial either and consequently your generation ends up way more pussified to the point where it's normal for you to s*lf-c*nsor even the most milquetoast words completely unprompted

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Ecstatic-Position404@reddit

Yeah man getting mugged and stabbed is good for learning street smarts too

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Bakisyeetaddiction@reddit

Larp

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DreamsServedSoft@reddit

yea it’s easy to simp for but man some kids were absolutely tormented for no reason of their own. they just got rolled bad genetics by their parents and were otherwise normal but looked weird for a few years. no one deserves lifelong scars (literal scars) for that

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BrocoliAssassin@reddit

Yeap, it fucked up my education. Kinda hard to learn when you're getting bullied 24/7.. Even worse is that the teachers stand up for bullies.

I honestly believe this is part as to why our society LOVES sociopaths and pieces of shit. They've literally been raised not only by their peers,but justified by the adults that these are the good kids that get everything they want.

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SenatorCoffee@reddit

Man, in my experience some kids werent even weird, in any way. The most viciously bullied kid in my class was this perfectly normal, nice kid. The class just somehow decided that beating down on this guy is some kind of funny running gag and went with it.

I have no idea where this comes from, the 90s onward media mindfuckery might be one aspect, but also maybe perching little kids from completely different backgrounds together with little real guidance might always have been a bad idea.

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mischling2543@reddit

Schools should ask why you were bullying the kid.

"But teacher he was recording a tiktok dance in the hallway"

"Oh ok well done then"

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FuckAllYourHonour@reddit

Nah, we just learned to make other people the victim after we got tired of it, ourselves. You should try it.

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SlySychoGamer@reddit

Millennials are in arrested development.

Selling and buying pokemon cards and games in their 40s, playing WoW still...

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Misenum@reddit

Love reading this thread filled with man children who were bullied as kids saying “bullying is bad >:(“

Clearly y’all weren’t bullied enough. More bullying would have cured your Reddit brand of autism

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Odinskriger@reddit

Until you get bullied. Then you will see the futility behind it.

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Misenum@reddit

Everyone gets bullied and bullies others, it’s a rite of passage growing up. Kids that fail to stand up for themselves continue to get bullied until they learn. Unfortunately, autistic people have a difficult time understanding this and with the number of people with autism is on the rise, so too are the cases of ineffective bullying.

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Odinskriger@reddit

I am not sure if you are talking about teasing or bullying as in hazing someone now. It still goes though, bullying doesn't add anything. I couldn't give two shits if it's part of life, or a rite of passage. I want to say a few things more about what I think bullies deserve, but jannies would ban me if I said them.

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iboowhenyoudeserveit@reddit

You're all falling for a rage bait article headline posted on 4chan and then reposted on reddit. Lmao maybe the article is onto something

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wordjedi@reddit

It's like saying twenty-somethings of the Great Depression "never grew up" because they never achieved such adulting milestones as home ownership, marriage, and food..

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Madcat_Moody@reddit

"You need these milestones to be a respectable adult like us otherwise you've failed" Makes the milestones borderline impossible to achieve "This generation is a bunch of man children why are they such failures unlike us"

The kind of mystery that would make Sherlock blast rope

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BrocoliAssassin@reddit

I'm used to this being the north east where rent/buying a house has been expensive like this for the past 30 years.

The rent people are crying about today is the rent I've seen about 15+ years ago here. I've had all my southern friends tell me about how easy life is and mirroring what was said in Anon's post. Just the property tax and insurance costs on my car was enough to pay for 6 months rent in southern states.

I can't lie. I am kinda happy to see that they are in the same pain I am. It's only been a couple of years and they've already managed to quit life while loads of us over here have been dealing with it for decades.

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Oh_ToShredsYousay@reddit

Meanwhile the writer is divorced the times and is paying for 3 different households.

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driellma@reddit

"""Economists"""

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retsoPtiH@reddit

yeah, let's see their personal savings account 😤

bet they dont even eCONomize

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retsoPtiH@reddit

unless you have kids, the real question is

why "grow up" ?

just let me do my shitty job that allows me to live decently and enjoy whatever i enjoy

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evangelism2@reddit

The real answer is the economy is fucked.

Like far fucked that the GDP or stock market indicates.

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Odinskriger@reddit

The economy is a consequence but also the cause of a thousand atomic transactions and decisions. Lots of guys simply have nothing to work or live for. So they check out and just self indulge. I can't blame them. I would even advise them to do so.

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Earthworm-Kim@reddit

i don't get why everyone thinks this is all about incels or stagnant losers

as long as you look half decent and can afford the rent, living in a city today as a 25-35 year old man, you have infinite pussy on the apps. from 18-35, one click away, every day. if you're above decent and charming, or have more money, you have a literal harem

between that you have social media and the self-indulgence you speak of, sure, but the people who would want to settle down and take out a crippling house loan are the "weird outliers"

(not saying either is better or worse, generally, just that there's more going on than disillusion and "opting out")

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Odinskriger@reddit

These days you barely afford rent with the wages you make these days, that even for a normie conformie it starts getting less and less worth it. Also, the average guy can not pull girls left and right. Remember the 80/20 rule. 80% of men are deemed unattractive, which is a nice word for ugly. About 15% percent are considered 'mid'. Only 5% gets to have fun. That means that at least 80% of men are closer to so called incels than so called chads. No average guy is having these women at the tip of their fingers.

So an average guy, not an incel, barely can afford rent, very occassionally will have attention from one single girl every so many months or years. In the meanwhile they see how women are partying while they have to work hard to just get attention from one. That's terrible. Yes, try and imagine how it is for an absolute loser then. It's sort of funny how we're made to believe that men are strong and forge their own destiny, while they're actually the ones who are the most at its mercy. No manifestation techniques if nothing happens for you anyways.

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Earthworm-Kim@reddit

the whole 80% this and 5% that might be true as a whole, but i think it mostly gets repeated by shut-ins and people not even participating

an average guy can definitely pull girls left and right on the apps, it's all about a mix of their expectations and standards

even if u make a completely stupid profile and make it clear you're really only looking to fuck, you will get girls. now, if they meet your standards is something else, and more of an issue with the person, not the "system"

i agree that it's not looking good for the absolute dregs out there. women of equally low beauty/social skill etc. still have a leg up on them, just because of how society works. they can more easily find another loser to grow old with. that's a big part of the "loneliness epidemic" and probably what this article is mainly talking about. men "opting out", just being self-indulgent consumers, not willing to put the grueling work in to have a 1% chance at success, financially or romantically etc.

but if you're a normal-ish guy not really looking to settle down, you've got a decent place, decent hygiene etc., there's no reason to move out of the city and take out loans for a car or a house and all that a4 shit. just have fun

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Van_Healsing@reddit

30s =/= zoomers, anon is regarded

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OutrageousQuantity12@reddit

Well they keep scooting back the starting point for gen z, just last year it was 95 to 2010, I just looked it up and it’s 97 to 2012. Idk how they’re ever gonna grow up if they keep getting erased

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Petes-meats@reddit

The generational boundaries were always shakey, off by a few years depending on who you ask

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LukeJaywalker0@reddit

in the year 2500, there'll be articles about how millenials cant afford a cardboard box because they keep adding cup sizes to their ai robot girlfriends

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420CowboyTrashGoblin@reddit

You mean 2050?

Ain't no way we're making it about 500 lol

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VirtueSignalLost@reddit

If you can't remember 9/11 you're a zoomer

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perfectly_stable@reddit

I'm so glad I have a zoomer grandpa

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nihongonobenkyou@reddit

I think the entire 90s should probably be in its own category. Just as home computers and the Internet were becoming ubiquitous, but growing up before smartphones became ubiquitous.

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zekekurlie@reddit

It’s not complicated. Millennials as children were assured that simply going through the proscribed pathway was enough to achieve a lucrative career that would ensure the kind of savings, home ownership, and equity our parents and grandparents had. Part of this lead to our own entitlement, which is on us to police and overcome, but was also TAUGHT to us by our parents’ generations, who while more willing to be subjected to grueling work conditions have the self-advocacy skills of a lab rat. Combine that with disintegrated anti-trust enforcement and the death of campaign finance reform, and you have us: Self-advocation savants with brittle bones and absolutely no means to seize bandwidth in our nation’s levers of control.

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Nasapigs@reddit

Add to that the brutal end result of individualism with the selling out of western nations.

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Ooofisa4letterword@reddit

As opposed to the joys of a communist nation?

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nihongonobenkyou@reddit

Don't forget they also whined the whole time about how hard everything was because their parents who did get all of those nice benefits gave them unbelievably easy childhoods and didn't beat them enough.

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purgingthought@reddit

Hah. I was way ahead of the curve.

I've had arrested development for the last 30 years of being an adult.

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CrusaderDogeAnon@reddit

I'll gladly work, get a wife, and have kids when the evil guys and their system of slavery are taken out :)

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philmarcracken@reddit

I used to struggle with the concept of being an adult too, growing up. When is it supposed to happen, because we know turning 18 or even 21 doesn't hit right.

In the shower it dawned. Golf is the perfect thought experiment. Just focus on golf, and if you think about the game itself, only two options remain

Play the game normally
Fang around in the kart

Only an adult would pick the former

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Agianttruckofpizza@reddit

These takes are retarded. There is no benefit to being emotionally and physically tormented as a child. If you were bullied and think it helped you become an adult, then I’m sorry to say you’re just coping with your trauma.

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edbods@reddit

i bet you people that say bring back bullying really mean bring back letting people call out others when they say or do stupid shit.

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Odinskriger@reddit

Who decides what is doing stupid or dumb shit? Normies? People calling for this type of shit, always seem to forget the sword can also be pointed their way.

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edbods@reddit

if i do something as stupid as sticking my hand into a device that very obviously has sharp high speed blades i fully expect no end of people mocking my intelligence and questioning how i have managed to stay alive up to that point

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wrathofbanja@reddit

There's a good chance the bullying would not be needed in that particular scenario.

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cry_w@reddit

In that case, that doesn't actually help, though, considering the punishment would be very immediate and severe.

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edbods@reddit

in any case, i do stupid shit i'm not gonna demand sympathy

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DarkScorpion48@reddit

That is exactly like. It’s more like Bring Back Shame. Not shaming and ridiculing per se, but society lost all it’s sense of shame which was a tool to keep social contracts working.

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Snoot_Boot@reddit

Call me crazy but i think it might be because less people are having kids at like 17 nowadays. Older generations grew up faster because they had to become parents at an early age more often. Now abortions are more common and there's more contraceptives to utilize. 30 year old yuppie couples just adopt a dog instead, or a cat if they're single.

The "less bullying" theory is retarded because of social media. Maybe less people are getting wedgies, but that's probably been replaced by bullying thru social media. It also allows you to be bullied by people from around the world.

Older generations are coping because [blank] was harder in their day (which is the point of human progress) and now they're essentially "mad cuz bad"

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brohan58@reddit

It's awesome how people want bullying back. Aren't there enough school shootings lately?

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Larstato@reddit

God I hate millenials. It's good these people own nothing.

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sharplyon@reddit

"whats wrong with [next generation]?!?" - quote from every generation after promising they wouldnt do it after the last generation did it to them

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Sleepy_Redditorrrrrr@reddit

Gen X & Boomers are panicking as they see the next generation isn't falling into the trap they made for them so that they could get richer. No big loss

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Curiouso_Giorgio@reddit

Bullying doesn't usually make people buy houses and have children, economic security does.

Sometimes bullying might drive someone towards economic success, like Musk, but I'd guess more bullying victims end up poor and dysfunctional than fabulously wealthy.

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TiTan0s@reddit

Boomer circlejerk post

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TurnThatTVOFF@reddit

Seriously, not enough ass beatings.

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AngelBryan@reddit

The consoom country is sad because people don't consoom anymore.

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Nomobileappforme@reddit

Zoomers are not in their 30's.

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Live_Ad2055@reddit

>30 yo
>zoomers

Sorry shitlennials, the 95ers are still on you!

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kohbold@reddit

Because all the "traditional milestones" have been commodified into a machiavellian nightmare. Can't afford a house, can't afford a degree, even if you can good luck getting a job with that degree since they only want to hire Dr. Saar or develop a bot to do your job. We can't even "afford" a decent girlfriend since dating apps commodified sex and attraction. Even the most mildly attractive females have the top 1% of attractive gigachads in their area to bottom them out and have zero interest in anything else because "you deserve the best, queen" friends keep gassing them up.

It's all a shit show and it isn't going to get any better.

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nnuunn@reddit

Only people who got bullied think bullying is good, it's a cope that says their struggles made them stronger.

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Odinskriger@reddit

Yeah, that saying 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger' is one of the biggest copes I have ever heard. It's a platitude to keep you docile.

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Odinskriger@reddit

Yeah, why can't they just serve someone else's purpose and not life for their own endeavors? Also, a lot of guys, because that is what they mainly are talking about, are not taking off because they literally have nothing to live for. I support these men checking out and I would urge them to indulge in hedonism. Fuck the world, it doesn't care about you.

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ZMowlcher@reddit

I can't afford shit

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WendyLRogers3@reddit

A big difference between wild animals and domestic animals is that the former "grow up", but the latter have through various means been kept in an adolescent state despite physical maturity.

Nobody has connected the dots, how there are organizations, even governments, that work hard to keep people from "growing up", because such people are easier to control and dominate. In effect they are "domestic humans". Such organizations condemn and fight against "wild humans".

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Balthazar3000@reddit

Hey so recent studies show literally even instance of bullying matters and stacks up negatively.

Unfortunate for the stoicism chuds. Ofc tho they don't believe in sound studies tho, so nothing will change.

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soothhingwave@reddit

When your 30 are just extended teens with more trauma