Exclusive: UN commissioner says Trump's Gaza plan breaches international law
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aquilaPUR@reddit
The sooner we accept that "International law" is a fucking meaningless term going forward the better
The multipolar world will give even less fucks about that shit than a world under US hegemony
AsoarDragonfly@reddit
The only thing that matters is collective power and the people are harnessing that more and more. With that everything can change
itsamepants@reddit
If a law is unenforceable then it's basically a suggestion
NoHandBananaNo@reddit
Theres nothing wrong with having ideals tho.
BendicantMias@reddit
If you want to 'enforce international law', then you basically need the GDI. The Global Defense Initiative, a supranational military superpower created in the wake of the Tiberium crisis in the Command & Conquer series of RTS games. Cos that's the only way you get an enforceable "international law". And you should be unsurprised to learn that in that universe the GDI basically controls only 30% of the world's most advanced nations, with the remainder either lost as Tiberium wastelands or fought over between them and the Brotherhood of Nod, who're widely popular in the other, poorer, half of the world. So it's just an amalgamation of the rich and powerful nations against all the poor and weak.
Turgius_Lupus@reddit
There is still time for the Deus Ex timeline to be prophetic.
NoHandBananaNo@reddit
I think thats a false dichotomy.
Psudopod@reddit
Yeah... If someone's reply to a real life news story is to explain how things shook down in their video game I don't think they have added anything to the discussion.
NotGalenNorAnsel@reddit
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Ch1pp@reddit
I'm down to sort all the world's villains out in the name of Kane if you are. No GDI needed. Just an immortal bald bloke and we're good to go.
BendicantMias@reddit
Hey Joe Kucan's still alive and kicking! đ
aquilaPUR@reddit
It always was, the last time International law was actually enforced against power players was the Suez Crisis like 70 years ago, when the US and USSR forced the Brits and French to cool the colonialism
After the power blocs were established one side would never ever agree to anything benefitting the other side, and it was like that ever since
SparseSpartan@reddit
you know you've crossed too many lines when you get the USSR and USA to team up on you.
Glum_Sentence972@reddit
Incorrect. The USSR had every reason to step in like that, it screws their Western adversaries. The US backstabbed their Western allies in an effort to win support from the Arab Nationalists.
Did not work. Nasser took all of the credit and effectively blamed the US as the one responsible for the Suez Crisis. Which forces the US to align with Israel.
Turgius_Lupus@reddit
The US aligning with Israel took place under LBJ.
HamunaHamunaHamuna@reddit
Except the "colonilisation" wasn't done for the sake of colonialism as much as to force the only path available to be held open at all times, which was being used as a political sledgehammer. And the objections by the US and Soviets wasn't done in objection of colonialism or care about anything other than how it would affect their own global power; they both did similar or worse things a dozen times afterwards.
KronusTempus@reddit
So what? They relied on international law to make their arguments which gave it authority.
Do you really think that when some politician launches a lawsuit against some media company for slander theyâre doing it because they believe that âslander is morally wrong, and respect for the law is above all elseâ? Or are they doing it because it benefits them in that particular instance?
Point is that theyâre relying on the law to make their arguments.
HamunaHamunaHamuna@reddit
Except the opposite is true. Those who closed the canal went against International Law.
Zarathustra124@reddit
Like when we teamed up with North Korea to fight pirates.
penta3x@reddit
Actually it was the Brits, French and Isrealis as they wanted to colonize Sinai.
sivvon@reddit
Yup, all three countries colluded to bait the Egyptians to then justify the war.
Rovcore001@reddit
Itâs absolutely enforceable if youâre not a global power or an important ally of one.
Glum_Sentence972@reddit
Not unless a global power twists their arm. The UN can't and has not done anything about the numerous small wars and massacres that have been happening and still are. Tigray, Ethiopia, Sudan, etc
thrice_twice_once@reddit
International suggestion.
Late-Tumbleweed9429@reddit
Thereâs no way to enforce international law without a central body and if there was one, that would only lead to unilateral decision making and ultimately control over the world.
Zinged20@reddit
International law is the only reason the IDF doesn't go door to door through Israel executing all the Palestinians with Israeli citizenship.
If you abandon it then all you have left is might makes right maximalist slaughter.
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
The only reason the IDF doesn't do that it because of international pressure. That is it. They need an element of plausible deniability while causing maximum casualties and they struck that balance perfectly during this genocide.
Zinged20@reddit
International pressure that wouldn't exist if the world abandon International law. There would be no need for plausible deniability if there's no crimes to deny.
Without International law the only thing that would matter at all is power.
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
All that matters in this word is power. "International law" is just a way to make power seem legitmate. Kind of like the divine right of kings, its something you need to believe in for the system (Global capitalism enforced by US hegemony) to keep chugging a long.
The recent genocide of Palestinians has shown a lot of people just how false this notion of "international" law actually is. The law isn't what stops anyone from doing anything - Only perceptions do.
Zinged20@reddit
So what is your explanation for the IDF not going door to door executing all the Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, given they obviously have the power to do as well as the intent to kill Palestinians?
How does your framework explain the lack of this occuring?
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
Too much international condemnation. I've already explained this. Israel very obviously don't follow international law. This fact obviously doesnât impede their actions in any ways. What they do attempt to do is maintain a level of plausible deniability by following the international law on the surface. This way, they can work towards their goals with out losing the backing of the western powers that they almost entirely depend on for military funding and trade.
Zinged20@reddit
On what basis would there be international condemnation if international law was literally meaningless? I thought you said power was all that mattered?
If it didn't serve as an impediment for their actions in any way then they would not be doing it. I think you've confused international law not literally being able to preveent every atrocity or genocide with it being powerless, which is not the same thing.
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
You are operating under the false assumption that laws proceed morality. They do not. People have morals regardless of the laws, and laws are made to try and match our perceptions of morality.
I think international law would be a good thing, if it could be agreed upon and enforced. It cannot, and so it is basically useless. The geopolitical game is ALWAYS about power. States are literally just whoever tf the population in an area agrees has a legitimate monopoly on violence. In the past, you could have the monopoly on violence through overwhelming might, and in many places in the world it still works like this, however most states have realised that this is a lot more effort than simply appearing to act in the interests of your citizens, and aligning with the morals of those citizens.
Zinged20@reddit
What evidence is there that morality would force nations to act if Israel did as I described without an international legal framework to obligate such an intervention? If there was no intervention law there would be no reason for Israel to try and maintain any plausible deniability.
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
The law exists as a faulty representation of human morality. Human morality procedes and would exist without the need for laws.
860v2@reddit
-Me, when I make shit up.
Monterenbas@reddit
World without any police at all vs world with a single corrupt cop.
Both sucks.
kitti-kin@reddit
You're not from the Falklands. Why do you pretend to be?
kapsama@reddit
If the post history is hidden it's a 95% guarantee that's it's a hasbara bot/shill account.
Eexoduis@reddit
That or theyâre Russian (or paid by!)
Aristotelaras@reddit
Whoever I don't like is a Russian not energy
Nethlem@reddit
Also actively peddling pro-jihadist disinformation energy
Russians bad, jihadists good, when and where have we heard that one before?
kitti-kin@reddit
It's lame to bring your argument with someone over to another thread. Especially because they're right - ISIS tried to absorb al-Nusra in 2013, Jolani said "no" and they proceeded to have a vicious civil war. It's silly to say they were the same group, they spent years killing each other (though you also seem confused about the distinction between all Qaeda and ISIS). You can denounce all these groups and know your history.
tt12345x@reddit
ngl I just block anyone with an obfuscated post history at this point. would love an extension that automatically does it
kitti-kin@reddit
they're German
SowingSalt@reddit
Where does it say we have to flair our location? I would absolutely flair Los Malvinas to piss off nationalistic Argies.
elihu@reddit
International law isn't meaningless, it's just hard to enforce when laws are broken by major nuclear powers and other countries don't have the political will to impose sanctions.
Enforcement is never going to be perfect unless we somehow transition to a world government with the exclusive right to use military force. In the mean time, those who commit war crimes or otherwise break international law can at least face some consequences that vary from mild to severe depending on what the rest of the international community is willing to do about it.
Dry-Season-522@reddit
It's like how for awhile they were saying that 'killer drones' were against international law.. until there was a fight involving t hem.
LogOutGames@reddit
I would argue a multipolar world is more likely to follow some sort of "international law" that our current one. The US as the undisputed hegemon could do whatever it wanted for the past 30+ years. Now the new superpowers will have to come to some sort of agreements in order to prevent a third / final world war.
Czart@reddit
Then you're unfortunately naive. Multipolar world is nothing more but rebranded term for "we want our empires too". We've had multipolar world, and the only rule was "will it piss off other empires?" Proxy wars, exploitation of smaller countries, atrocities. All was on the table as long as it didn't trigger a response from others. Oh, and it end with a war, quite a big one at that too.
Lowered12@reddit
Those things still happen but the only difference is only 1 side is allowed to do it , and they can do anything they want and dont have to be careful about what other countries think unlike multipolar world where they atleast had to watch out for that
Czart@reddit
American empire is somewhat tamer compared to what others done in the past. And most (if not all) of their proxy wars were during cold war, which by definition, wasn't a unipolar world.
But to be clear, i am not advocating for staying as is. Every empire falls sooner or later, same will happen to US. I am simply trying to show that the "multipolar world" despite what some claim and others hope for, isn't this magical world where everything is fine. We've been there, we should know what it brings.
VladThe1mplyer@reddit
Yep. A lot of deluded people who think their country will be the US or China of such a world but the reality is that they will be the Ukraine of that new world. It just amazes me that people are dumb enough to cheer for that world.
JPolReader@reddit
Indeed. In a multipolar world you have the combination of ambitions without the threat of overwhelming response.
There is a reason that Pax Romana was coined and ended when civil war created new multipolar powers.
aquilaPUR@reddit
If Nationalist right wing movements take over everywhere, they will eventually get rid of all the immigrants and silence all the domestic enemies, and since those movements are in eternal need of opponents and perceived dangers to fight, coalitions will erode and we will see interstate conflict pop up in the west.
Do you actually think for one second someone like Le Pen and Tommy Robinson will celebrate their new ideologically world order and be chums? Of course not, they will turn on each other as soon as they run out of internal enemies to fight
That's what multipolar means to me - conflicts are happening right now too, even atrocities, but it's mostly brown people being bombed and starved so who really gives a shit, we send them a few billions and sit in circles at the UN penning strongly worded letters to feel good about ourselves, but nothing really changes.
Multipolar world means long established borders will be redrawn again in wars of conquest and imperialist ambitions will Flame up in our Societies too.
This is Realism at it's finest, War as extension of politics, except of course we fight with Nukes nowadays, not Line Infantry. That's why this shit is so dangerous and why I prefer american hegemony - because at least the war doesnt happen at my doorstep and the states who fight usually don't have the Nukes. Selfish, but what are you gonna do?
Czart@reddit
Yep, that's what's coming more or less. There's a reason putin and Xi are such advocates for multipolar world, because they want to lead their own empires.
If people are concerned about international law and human wellbeing they would be advocating for "no polar world". I don't know how that would work and what would be needed, probably fundamental change in human behaviour. But adding more empires and powers to the mix sure as hell isn't going to help.
BendicantMias@reddit
World wars were NOT the result of a multipolar world, in fact it was the opposite. Both world wars WERE world wars precisely because of how concentrated power had become thanks to colonialism, thus fighting all over the world and recruiting the colonies to fight for you.
Multipolar world is literally almost ALL of human history. The Roman Empire barely affected China, and vice versa, so all the warring was much more localized and thus generally smaller in scale. In a multipolar world there's very little reason for the whole world to go to war simultaneously. They just focus on their own regional disputes and it rarely goes beyond that.
It's only in a bipolar world that you can get a "world war" that's ludicrously divided between just two sides - Axis and Allies. And it's only in a unipolar world that you can get something as dumb as a "global" 'War on Terror'.
Czart@reddit
Wonderful example. Except they couldn't reach each other and barely knew about one another. Last time i checked, it's not longer 200AD and we can get across the world in a matter of hours.
Ah yes, the two empires during WW1... Bro what are you even doing here at this point?
Freud-Network@reddit
Trump went to their headquarters and told them to their faces that they are absolutely powerless, useless, and their countries are shit. They did nothing about it.
The UN is going the way of the League of Nations.
cesaroncalves@reddit
Already planning the consent for the next incursion. Israel needs to go, but the world leaders don't care, they will continue to appease the new Nazis.
5wmotor@reddit
Why does it always has to be "Nazis"? Israel isn't even a authoritarian country, while Gaza is.
Using this term is heavily downplaying what the Nazis did: To their own people, to the Jews and to the world.
finalattack123@reddit
If this is your highest priority - youâre not on the right side.
5wmotor@reddit
Thatâs not my highest priority, but itâs apparently necessary to remind the people in here of what the Nazis did.
Playing it down most certainly doesnât help the Palestinians.
valentc@reddit
You're right. Downplaying the atrocities and crimes that Israel has committed against Palestinians by saying "Nazis were worse" certainly doesn't help them.
Nazis weren't some unique evil that can never be replicated.
5wmotor@reddit
Fact is the Nazis are unique in what and how they did it in human history.
Iâm all aboard trying to prevent that something like that happening again.
valentc@reddit
The Arabs in the Middle East? That's billions of people. You think every Arab person and country is the same?
Did all Europeans support Nazis too because Germany did?
5wmotor@reddit
âHitlerâ Shops in Egypt.
5wmotor@reddit
No. Do you think every Israeli is the same?
finalattack123@reddit
And there it is. The poorly concealed hatred of Arabs.
The reason you were compelled to defend Israel by downplaying their current actions.
valentc@reddit
Did I do that? I used a comparison. Obviously, not all Europeans agreed because they fought the Nazis. That was my point.
I'm not the one making mass assumptions about multiple countries and saying they all want "dead jews."
What does this mean? Where are you getting this from? Your racism? Your ass? Where does this claim come from and why did you double down?
You literally just said "are all x the same? Well all Arabs the same."
5wmotor@reddit
Maybe you ask this in r/AskMiddleEast.
finalattack123@reddit
And there it is. The poorly concealed hatred of Arabs.
The reason you were compelled to defend Israel by downplaying their current actions.
mammogrammar@reddit
Gaza is not a country
5wmotor@reddit
It should be.
Apart from that, let me rephrase this: Israel is a democraticly ruled, has elections.
Gaza is ruled authoritarian without elections.
MrTatyo@reddit
What democratic country enforces an apartheid in the West Bank and genocide in Gaza?
SamuelClemmens@reddit
In current or recent history? America, Canada, Denmark, and France spring to mind.
(assuming the genocide doesn't have to be Gaza specific, it might, since "Palestinian Refugees" are given stronger protections and a different set of definitions by the UN than other refugees who are seen as less deserving of rights and protections)
MrTatyo@reddit
Currently. Almost all western powers have committed a genocide in the past.
And which one of these countries is also enforcing an aprtheid, and claims to be one of the most democratic countries in the world
SamuelClemmens@reddit
Currently, Canada has found itself guilty of being involved in an ongoing genocide against their indigenous population.
5wmotor@reddit
Israel. Are you just tossing random word in here? What has that to do how the israeli government is formed?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Israel controls the lives of 8 million Jews and 7.5 million Arabs. Of those people controlled by Israel, all 8 million Jews and 2 million Arabs have Israeli citizenship, the right to vote and human rights, and the rest are stateless, governed by a different set of laws, no right to vote, no human rights and are routinely brutalised.
That doesnât look like democracy. Thatâs apartheid.
5wmotor@reddit
Apartheid isnât a system of forming a government.
You guys in here really donât like words with the correct meaning.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
5wmotor:
No one said it was.
Good argument. Very compelling.
NoHandBananaNo@reddit
One thing this conflict has taught me is that the History of Apartheid isnt being taught properly (or maybe at all) in schools. Its a pity because those who dont know history are doomed to repeat it.
Of COURSE Apartheid had a strong political aspect and influenced how a government was formed.
5wmotor@reddit
Youâre confusing terms. Apartheid can happen under any (un)electoral system.
NoHandBananaNo@reddit
I see what you mean but I think theyre right to distinguish between true democracies that have universal suffrage versus partial democracies that rule over large numbers of adults who are unable to vote in them.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
People donât get that itâs the same scheme as Apartheid South Africa, blacks werenât given citizenship in the first place either, the difference is that Apartheid South Africa (a close ally of Israel that Israel was helping become a nuclear power) tried the charade of getting countries to recognize the districts where blacks lived as independent states, while Israel keeps Palestinians stateless
mammogrammar@reddit
Gaza is "ruled" by Hamas and Israel. Israel controls their borders, ports, airspaces, population registries, everything. Hamas launches rockets. Who knew that when an occupier steps on your neck, you'd want to fight back?
5wmotor@reddit
Your comment has nothing to do with my comment.
mammogrammar@reddit
How so? You said Gaza is run by authoritarians, and I pointed out that Israel does, in fact, control Gaza. So using the transitive property in your argument, Gaza is controlled by the authoritarian Israeli regime. Not that hard
SamuelClemmens@reddit
Israel is besieging Gaza, not controlling it. There are different meanings.
Catalonia is controlled by Spain as a distinction.
Also, Egypt is also part of this, it has one of the land borders with Gaza.
mammogrammar@reddit
When has Gaza been able to control ports, airspace, registry, military, trade? Gaza has never been in control of it. Israel has. They also happen to be committing a genocide
NeonArlecchino@reddit
Don't forget their waters. There is a valuable natural gas reserve off of their Northern coast that Israel has blocked them from getting the materials to build the infrastructure to harvest since it was discovered in the late 90s. That is an example of Israel obstructing Palestinian self determination from before it helped Hamas rise to power.
5wmotor@reddit
Uhh, looong haul.
So if Israel controls Gaza, it shot 10.000s of rockets on their own cities and conducted the Oct 7th?
mammogrammar@reddit
So you're discounting that Netanyahu actively supported and funded Hamas at times.... Read a book
5wmotor@reddit
Iâm not discounting this. Hamas are traitors to their own people, yes.
Overton_Glazier@reddit
If Israel subjects and controls a population and doesn't give them the rights it gives its own citizens, then it is an authoritarian country.
CapitalEmployer@reddit
And ?
France was democratically ruled when we colonized Algeria and what we did there inspired the Nazis. A lot of the methods used by the nazis were inspired by colonial France? I don't see how being democratically ruled prevents your from colonizing and treating your colony like the nazis treated jews (especially considering Hitler gained power legally trough democratic elections). The methods used by Israel on Palestinians have been way more violent than what the nazis did to jews between 1933 and 1940. The Nazis party doesn't start in 1941.
Again what does it have to do with the whole thing?
officerblues@reddit
Ok, honest question: I keep hearing "well, the Palestinians elected Hamasaki to power, so they deserve it". How can they elect Hamas without elections? Since when have they been "authoritarian"?
Also, Nazi Germany had elections. Hitler was elected.
Forged-Signatures@reddit
Especially given contemporary context. At the time Fatah (the previous majority 'government') had a reputation for corruption, nepotism, and mismanagement amongst both Palastinians and the international community at large. To a degree too they were seen as abandoning the Gaza strip to the Israelis by negotiating with them, and focusing on consolidation of their power over the West Bank.
In 2006 Hamas campaigned against them on anti-corruption policies, combined with resistance against Israeli oppression, which is what made them so popular in the Gaza strip and parts of the West Bank leading to them receiving 44% of the vote, but the location of the votes gave them the majority of the seats. Combine that with the fact that Hamas are believed to have been supported by the Israeli government around this time period to act as a semi-controlled opposition to a Palastinian party calling for independence and to be recognised as a nation.
5wmotor@reddit
Answer: Last elections were 2006. I don't know from which year on you may scientifically call the "authoritarian".
Hiltler wasn't elected: "Hitler ran for the presidency in 1932 and was defeated by the incumbent Paul von Hindenburg, but achieved a strong showing of second place in both rounds."
He was appointed by Hindenburg, then he pulled of the "Ermächtigungsgesetz":
The groundwork for Hitler's dictatorship was laid when the Reichstag was set on fire in February 1933. Baselessly blaming communists for the arson, Hitler convinced von Hindenburg to pass the Reichstag Fire Decree, which severely curtailed the liberties and rights of German citizens as Hitler began eliminating his political opponents. Following its passage, he began arguing for more drastic means to curtail political opposition, and proposed the Enabling Act of 1933. This law gave the German government the power to override individual rights prescribed by the constitution, and vested the Chancellor (Hitler) with emergency powers to pass and enforce laws without parliamentary oversight.
(Cited from Wikipedia)
NoPriorThreat@reddit
Once, then there were no elections. Izraeli gov is elected very 4 yours, unless it collapses on its own and there are snap elections.
HansBrickface@reddit
Hitler was democratically elected.
5wmotor@reddit
No. Hitler wasn't elected: "Hitler ran for the presidency in 1932 and was defeated by the incumbent Paul von Hindenburg, but achieved a strong showing of second place in both rounds."
He was appointed by Hundenburg.
SaulsAll@reddit
Shall we call them the new Hutus? The new Ottomans? If you want to invoke the understanding that a group is committing genocide, "Nazi" is the most direct and glaring comparison.
5wmotor@reddit
Apart from having a different agenda, e.g. killing all Jews, a different form of ruling, methods, numbers, consequences for billion other people, the Nazis being atheists, starting a world war and industrializing mass murder, oppressing their populace; yes apart from these things they are exactly the same! /s
Why is it so difficult to coin a own term for what Israel is doing? That seems be be much more beneficial to everyone.
SaulsAll@reddit
Yes, we can call it "so much worse when it happened to you already and you cant learn a lesson genocide."
5wmotor@reddit
"SMWWIHTYAAYCLALG" isn't that catchy..
SaulsAll@reddit
Nor is the genocide Israel is committing. But answer - do you think the Native Americans deserved genocide because they attacked settlers?
5wmotor@reddit
I see youâre from the US, but pls stop asking such nonsense questions.
SaulsAll@reddit
Cant answer a simple question? Those savage terrorists would kidnap women and children. Rape and kill them. Scalp settlers.
Did they deserve to have their land taken away?
kapsama@reddit
Israel has been sliding into authoritarianism for a while know. Democratic countries don't defang their Supreme Courts.
Israel is using lots of Nazi methods. Disproportionate reprisals. Arbitrary arrests and detentions. Torture and sexual torture. Attacking 5 countries in 2 years. Industrialed mass murder via artificial famines and destroying 90% of all buildings in Gaza.
The context is the same. Lebensraum.
5wmotor@reddit
How about this one: We call them âUS Americansâ.
SaulsAll@reddit
I'm fine with that, as at least you can admit the equivalence with the Trail of Tears and the fact that Israel is committing genocide.
5wmotor@reddit
Fact usually do not need to be admited.
SaulsAll@reddit
Acknowledgment of facts do. But let's continue. So in your comparison, did the Native Americans deserve genocide because they committed terrorist attacks against settlers?
kapsama@reddit
Also keep playing the victim whenever their privilege is encroached upon.
CSISAgitprop@reddit
The new Ottomans would probably be a more apt comparison tbh.
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
Israel are very much the new Nazis. It shouldn't even be up for debate anymore. Netanyahu will be taught to future generations alongside Hitler.
SamuelClemmens@reddit
I think you may have some weird glasses on then.
While Israel is far from a moral actor, even if you think its military invasion is unjust and its unfair to expect one side in a war to surrender before the fighting stops, even if Israel was fully to blame and Hamas was trying to fully surrender and Israel wasn't listening.
Israel wouldn't even be responsible for the worst civilian casualties in warfare this very minute, let alone of the last decade or even in this century.
5wmotor@reddit
Nazis: Caused over 80 million deaths, a world war and destroyed half the european continent.
You're right, they are nearly identical to Israel /s
finalattack123@reddit
Great idea. Letâs wait till then âŚ
Federal_Thanks7596@reddit
It's not just about the scale. And it's possible and likely that the worse is yet to come if Israel is not stopped.
officerblues@reddit
It's not even limited to Netanyahu, unfortunately. It just turns out this last, terrible, time was Netanyahu, but Palestinian oppression is pretty much a state policy at this point.
Klytus_Ra_Djaaran@reddit
Denying people citizenship in the country of their birth based on ethnicity so they can be ethnically cleansed 'legally' and then building ethnic colonies on that stolen land is precisely a Nazi thing to do.
5wmotor@reddit
You mean like South Africa, Russia/Ukraine, Turkey/Armenia and such?
What Israel does is hardly exclusive comparable to Nazi Germany.
kapsama@reddit
So you agree thta Israel is comitting genocide then since you are comparing them to prior genocides?
5wmotor@reddit
Sure. They kill civilians by the score in a small area based on ethnicity.
kapsama@reddit
Well that's something at least.
Klytus_Ra_Djaaran@reddit
Not hardly comparable, exactly comparable. We should put those 'stumbling stones' in cities across Israel like they have in Berlin. We can have the raised stones inscribed with the names and information about the victims of Zionist ethnic cleansing just like the ones in Germany with the names of victims of Nazi ethnic cleansing. You see nothing wrong with that, right?
5wmotor@reddit
âExact comparableâ. Sure.. have you ever sat in one history class? Either you slept or youâre purposely malicious.
Iâm all in for holding Israel accountable, these stumble stones would be a good idea.
Klytus_Ra_Djaaran@reddit
So you have learned history and recognize that racist regimes will repeat the same racist policies? It's beyond dispute that Israel uses some of the exact same policies as Jim Crow Southern US, the South African Apartheid, and some from Nazi Germany. No one ever said that Zionist Israel was indistinguishable from Nazi Germany, just that some of the bigotry led to the same policies.
One example is denying people citizenship based on ethnicity, so those people are not afforded the same rights, making abusing their rights much easier from a legal standpoint. Here is an example: let's say a pregnant Israeli woman is kidnapped as a hostage by Hamas. After Israel has leveled the building she was held in and killed everyone in it, there are two newborn babies found, one from the pregnant Israeli woman one from a Palestinian woman who was walking by and murdered as collateral damage. The IDF wants to know the ethnicity of the side by side newborn babies so they know which one to take back to become a ward of the state and which baby they should leave to starve to death in the rubble.
5wmotor@reddit
How about this one: We call them âUS Americansâ.
⢠â murdered the Native Americans ⢠â took their land ⢠â had a Nazi Party ⢠â allowed the NSDAP/AO to operate from the USA ⢠â had segregation until 1964/65 (20 after the Nazis weâre defeated) ⢠â have a fascist president ⢠â are Israelâs biggest supporter ⢠â oppressing their own people ⢠â have no problem bombing the shit out of a country ⢠â murdered much more civilians than Israel ever will
See, this would fit much better than Nazis, yet we arenât call them âUS Americansâ.
NoHandBananaNo@reddit
Personally I find it frusttating that people in here keep bringing up the nazis.
However theres a compelling argument to be made that nazi Germany in many ways was just carrying on what colonial Europe had been doing for a long time. Land theft, genocide, even concentration camps. The difference is this time they were trying to do it to other white people.
SaulsAll@reddit
Oh. So you already know to directly compare the actions of Israel with the most horrific acts of genocide the world has ever seen.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Yes, just like colonialism. But when I say colonialism I get abused for not knowing that âZionism is not colonialism,â even though early Zionists were very clear that they were.
5wmotor@reddit
Everybody gets abused in discussion the issues in the Middle East, thatâs a huge problem discussing this topic.
Thatâs why Iâm careful calling names.
Small-Policy-3859@reddit
It is a way to highlight the immense hypocrisy that is the country of israel and their treatment of palestinians.
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
Meanwhile the Palestinians-
started a war on the basis of committing genocide on the Jews at the direction of a literal Nazi in 1948,Â
from 1962 on âtil 2004 were lead by said Naziâs nephew, who repeatedly denied peaceful solutions,
and currently support a group with the stated goal of committing genocide on the Jews.
TLDR- calling Israel Nazis is one part projection and one part inversion.
Bodach42@reddit
I guess there aren't any other famous enough genocidal regimes? So people just go with them? It does just aggravate the situation though.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Make peace with Israel and it'll leave you alone. Ask Egypt and Jordan.
FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit
How has that worked out for the West Bank?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
It's doing a hell of a lot better than Gaza and the West Bank never made peace with Israel.
FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit
Yeah, apartheid is better than genocide, but that's not a very high bar.
Funkliford@reddit
Worked out pretty well for the millions of Israeli Palestinians who opted to live in peace. Maybe the PA shouldn't have refused every offer of peace. They could've had the majority of the West Bank decades ago &( both peoples would've been better off.
Revlar@reddit
Israel would never allow a Palestinian majority to vote
FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit
Full citizenship⌠In the West Bank? Are you mixing up your narratives?
Funkliford@reddit
In Israel.
CallMeRudiger@reddit
What you are describing is assimilation under threat. "Give us your home, leave your history, allow yet another colonialist government to fully annex you, and they won't murder you. Stop resisting and it won't hurt so much."
cesaroncalves@reddit
Ask Syria instead.
Or just ask Jordan yeah, helped Israel in 48, how did that turn out...
RockstepGuy@reddit
Syria is technically speaking still at war with Israel, since they have never made a real peace deal, nor does Syria recognize Israel as a state.
Jordan is also alright, i mean they were one of the first to go that route.
cultish_alibi@reddit
A 'constant ceasefire' where they drop hundreds of munitions on Syria and annex Syrian land? Including the largest mountain in the country?
russiankek@reddit
Well, perhaps Syria shouldn't have attacked Israel since 1948.
RockstepGuy@reddit
Well again, it's just a ceasefire, one side could always break it, it's wrong? yeah, but they can do it, in that case Israel broke it in order to gain an advantage for future negotiations at a time were Syria was weak.
A ceasefire is not total peace, it's just a temporary halt of official operations until a real peace is achieved, that's why after everything happened, including the stuff with the Druze, Israel and Syria reached yet another ceasefire.
Dirkdeking@reddit
That's a very recent escalation. For basically all the years Assad was in power that front was totally dormant. Only after Assad got toppled and they weren't sure who would fill in that vaccuuum did they take those extra lands and did they destroy much of the Assad era strategic equipment.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
When did Syria make peace with Israel?
WongFarmHand@reddit
when they installed the ex al qaeda guy to run it recently. hes perfect because he doesnt pipe up at all as Israel violently annexes more and more Syrian land. he just wants his payday like all good puppets
cesaroncalves@reddit
They tried, still got bombed, multiples times too. Zionists have short memory don't they, maybe a ram upgrade to the bot server.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/damascus-governor-says-new-syrian-regime-wants-peace-our-problem-is-not-with-israel
JPolReader@reddit
Nothing in that article mentions peace attempts.
But it does mention 3 times that Syria invaded Israel.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Are you aware that the governor of Damascus is not the head of state of Syria and that making a statement is not a peace offer? Are you aware of anything at all?
cesaroncalves@reddit
Did you read the multiples attempts to actually start the process that were ignored by Israel?
I know you did, you were already lurking in the sub, spreading hasbara bullshit and denying the genocide.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Nope, feel free to link me up.
cesaroncalves@reddit
I wasn't asking, I was stating, you made your profile private as per the usual hasbara standard, but I remember you being here during that time.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Well, I don't believe that ever happened, so link me up if you want to convince me, but after 75+ years of war, you'll have to excuse Israel if they're distracted by other things and not immediately leaping to make peace with Syria.
SamuelClemmens@reddit
Shhhh, you are ruining his narrative.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Haha sorry it's just too easy.
KronusTempus@reddit
Both of those are more or less American puppets. Letâs ask Syria what they think about thatâŚ
Funkliford@reddit
Anyone that doesn't reflexively hate Israel and chooses to live in peace is an American puppet. just like any country that oppose Russia's war of aggression is a US puppet /s
Funkliford@reddit
Crocodile tears. Don't pretend you wouldn't support this if the roles were reversed and it was Hamas that won out over Israel., in fact, yoou'd support much worse. As would most of the Death to Israel types here. Actions have consequences, particularly when you start a war and proceed to lose - see Germany and Japan, and you know virtually every other major war throughout history..
WongFarmHand@reddit
yep those women and children massacred by the tens of thousands really fucked up bad stepping to Israel. FAFO!
5wmotor@reddit
Since my critizism on calling the Israelis "Nazis" met not the enthusiasm I hoped for, I created a more constructive approach.
How about this one: We call them âUS Americansâ.
- murdered the Native Americans
- â took their land
- had a Nazi Party
- allowed the NSDAP/AO to operate from the USA after WW2
- had segregation until 1964/65 (20 after the Nazis weâre defeated)
- have a fascist president
- took half of Mexico and treating Mexican like citizens 2. class
- are Israelâs biggest supporter
- oppressing their own people
- have no problem bombing the shit out of a country
- murdered much more civilians than Israel ever will
- criminalizing antifascism
See, this would fit much better than Nazis, yet we arenât call them âUS Americansâ.
Revlar@reddit
Israel is an extension of US power. They are that, and also the new Nazis.
cesaroncalves@reddit
Nazis don't like to be called Nazis, "US Americans" however love to be called "US Americans".
5wmotor@reddit
You missed my entire point, calling Isreal "US Amerikkkans".
jjonj@reddit
This unrealistic BS is incredibly harmful for the conversation and results in no progress being made and a continuation of the status quo with Palestinians suffering
Please stop contributing to the continuation of this fucked up situation
Totoques22@reddit
Sounds like she want Hamas to stay in power/rise again under a new name to me
cesaroncalves@reddit
The new Nazis look to be doing fine, they get to keep control of the people they oppress and just tried to wipe out.
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
You seem confused? Israel just spent the last two years kicking the shit out of the New Nazis?
kapsama@reddit
Israel attacked itself?
fartymcgeezax@reddit
You sure showed him đ
cesaroncalves@reddit
Zionism.wtf/#zionist-or-nazi
kapsama@reddit
Why are you hiding your post history hasbara? Also please stop using a fake flair.
Ala117@reddit
only bibi and his cronies are allowed to stay in power apparently.
jordietb@reddit
Insurance plan so Oct 7 doesnât happen again.
Letâs remember that hamas is a terrible terrorist organisationâŚ
mightygilgamesh@reddit
Hamas exists because of occupation. Oppressing the Palestinian people will just make more people join hamas.
5wmotor@reddit
Hamas is oppressing their own peopl, tho.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
They are doing that too. But Israel is openly murdering Palestinians in the West Bank and then complaining that Palestinians are two violent because a small fraction of them commit attacks against Israelis in return.
5wmotor@reddit
Yes. And? Thatâs plain wrong.
That doesnât make it right Hamas oppressing their own and it doesnât make Israelis âNazisâ, for their are lacking most traits to describe Nazism.
komokasi@reddit
But it doesn mean we should be focusing on the main cause for both wrongs, and dealing with the significantly worse one first with full attention.
Not playing some dumb game of "well they are also bad".
Like great if i go and stain your rug, but you kick my dog i think we both know one of these bad things is worse and should be the focus of our conversation.
mightygilgamesh@reddit
You're saying putting an end to Israel's behavior would remove multiple oppressions? Damn.
More seriously, hamas is a military group, they aren't democrats, of course they'll act like dictators.
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
Exactly. Oppressed people will always rise up. Israel playing the victim is like England complaining when the IRA stood up to them.
psyopsagent@reddit
Evil terrorists (hamas) tried to escape from a concentration camp to take hostages, but more evil terrorists (IDF) blew them up with rockets and killed a ton of civilians as collateral. Look up "Hannibal Directive". Then they invented horror stories about hamas and stopped independent investigations. Then, the IDF used those horror stories as an excuse the genocide innocent people in their concentration camp.
I'm not saying Hamas are the good guys, and they definitely committed war crimes. I'm just saying that the IDF are objectively the more evil terrorists.
w8str3l@reddit
Youâre from the Isle of Man so youâll surely be able to give an even-handed description of how that terrible terrorist organization, the IRA, was pacified, and peace finally arrived to Ireland and the UK.
Was it because of the Good Friday agreement, and if it was, what was it about the Good Friday agreement that brought peace after decades, even centuries, of strife?
Which ones would you consider to be the most crucial aspects? Please to list them.
Do you think some of those aspects of the Good Friday agreement could be also be used in the Israel-Palestine peace process?
Just in case you are not aware of the recent history to the east and west of you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement
downstairsdinosaur@reddit
Disappointing to see a fellow countryman spouting Israeli rhetoric, but Iâm completely unsurprised sadly
finalattack123@reddit
âOppression is the only choiceâ
cesaroncalves@reddit
Hasbara bot
EternalAngst23@reddit
I mean, Israel has had significant security control over the whole of Palestine for as long as theyâve existed. Thereâs no way the IDF are just going to up and leave.
meister2983@reddit
Lol if Israel actually ended its occupation within a year, you'd have civil collapse in the West Bank. No one actually wants such a fast transition other than maybe some revolutionary group
Revlar@reddit
They've expanded settlements since.
Vedagi_@reddit
It's funny how the same people who argued by the international law against the Israel, are not using it again as only their own tool of their own interest. These people dont care about the international law, only about when it benefits them.
lost-associat@reddit
If we followed international law from the start Netanyahu would have already been brought in front of a court in Den Haag.
Vedagi_@reddit
If we? What do you mean by "we"?
Israel would need to give him, if so, say "Israel" not we.
Revlar@reddit
Without the US's veto we'd be in a very different situation
lost-associat@reddit
I meant we as in general, as in our species I guess. But international law has become a wet torn piece of paper on the sidewalk we can step over.
1DarkStarryNight@reddit
right.
even if that is the case, does it matter?
in reality, we're way past âinternational lawâ being relevant.
let's remind, it was the West â the US & Nato â that launched an âunprecedentedâ offensive on non-aligned, Orthodox, Serbia in the middle of Europe,
and then, created the artificial Nato base of Kosovo. & of course, there r loads other examples of West ignoring âinternational lawâ when it suits them.
so, in other words, Trump will do as he wants. and everyone back him on it.
CharmCityKid09@reddit
In 1999, Yugoslavia failed to abide by UNSC Resolutions 1160, 1199, and 1203, which were sanctions and measures to uphold the ceasefire. Ethnic violence continued as it showed the cracks and measures taken in 95 didn't fix the problem.
The only reason that the UNSC didn't make a resolution on the use of force originally on the issue in 99' is due to Russia. The situation was creating a humanitarian crisis in Europe. NATO being a decisive body and able stepped in.
Milosevic, who was in charge of Yugoslavia, was indicted for war crimes as part of the ICTY. He died before it concluded. However, he was found to be part of a criminal enterprise conducting crimes against humanity and genocide.
Even then, the ICJ ruled later on that NATO did not violate article 9 of the Genocide convention because they were acting in a humanitarian capacity. Which they did by all accounts.
The day NATO ceased operations UNSC 1244 passed, which established UNMIK. Which provided for continued military presence to ensure peace and stability.
This isn't the first time you've selectively lied by omission on this conflict. Include all the context.
Mal_Dun@reddit
Thanks. Those are these small little details the "muh NATO bombed Serbia" crowd conveniently leaves out ...
MaestroRozen@reddit
Yes, we're all aware by now that you all consider dead civilians a tragedy only when it's a group of people you support. Blowing up people en masse is all gucci when it's the other side though.Â
Mal_Dun@reddit
Yeah ... a strongly worded letter would have probably worked better to prevent the ongoing genocide. /s
I am not taking specific sides here btw. just knowing history. If it was Nazi Germany or Communist Vietnam invading Cambodia. You don't stop genocide by merely "talking it out" that never worked.
MaestroRozen@reddit
You don't stop anything either by dropping cluster bombs on residential areas (which, by the way, are forbidden to use against military - let alone civilians) that are nowhere near military targets or murdering journalists because "they are spreading propaganda" among other things. You stop it by targeting military.Â
Then again, America's strongest weapon isn't anything military related. It's their propaganda machine which allows them to commit acts of terror and war crimes left and right with impunity while painting themselves as "heroes" to the world.Â
1DarkStarryNight@reddit
the reason is irrelevant. the fact is â they didn't. it was an âinternalâ crisis, in practice, and ultimately nothing to do w/ the West.
also, I thought Nato was a âdefensiveâ alliance? lmao. every single Nato interventions (to date) has been âoffensiveâ.
and putting aside, the âdisgracefulâ campaign, the fact that they followed it up w/ the establishment of the so-called âKosovoâ says everything.
Western âpeasantsâ were shitting on Russia over the re-unification of Crimea & the Donbas conflict (before the 2022 intervention) & at the same time defending Kosovo, a far more âblatantâ violation of âinternationl normsâ.
CharmCityKid09@reddit
The classic deflect and misdirect strategy. You say that the issue in Yugoslavia was an "internal conflict." The same could be said for Israel/Palestine since you have argued in this sub, it's all one country. That would make it an internal conflict, so you shouldn't be trying to get the UN or anyone else to interfere as an outsider. Be consistent.
Just because NATO by its very nature, is a defensive alliance that doesn't prevent them from acting in humanitarian ways. Or are you arguing the genocide and ethnic violence going on in Yugoslavia throughout the 90s Europe as a whole should have ignored?
The establishment and recognition of Kosovo as an independent country came in 2008. As Kosovo spent the time from 2000-2008 effectively self governing and remained stable. Notably, after 2000, we didn't hear basically anything from the region in terms of continued violence. Seems like it worked.
Crimea was sovereign Ukrainian territory. Territory Russia recognized as Ukrainian when the USSR dissolved and the independent republics established themselves. That territorial norm was never challenged until Russias invasion in 22.
The again you didn't address the critical details you left out of my first post. You're just anti-NATO and anti West. You will lie and distort details to fit that narrative.
Funkliford@reddit
Haha, get the fuck outta here. The Serbs have tried ethnically cleansing just about every former non-Serb belonging to the former Yugoslavia. Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians, Slovenes .. "but aside from the whole genocide and ethnic cleansing thing Serbia did nothing wrong"
Mal_Dun@reddit
It's ironic so many whine about Serbia, the one conflict NATO was actually right to step in and in retro-perspective we know that it should have been sooner, and not the other ones especially Iraq where we have solid proof that the "weapons of mass-destruction" were clear and utter BS ...
1DarkStarryNight@reddit
lol.
Iraq wasn't a Nato operation.
don't bother responding to me, if u don't know the basics.
that said, obviously, I'm 100% against it.
let's remind,
it was the Anglos & the Polish that were 100% for it, w/ the yanks.
both of them, r now âcondemningâ Russia.
(both, of course, belong in the Russophobic group of European countries).
lol.
yeah, u'd say that.
Mal_Dun@reddit
You can ask my friends from Bosnia about that ...
1DarkStarryNight@reddit
Kosovo = Bosnia? lol.Â
u must be âjokingâ,if u actually think I'd support a Muslim Nato proxy (Albanians/KLA) over Slavs, Orthodox, Serbians, under any circumstances.Â
1DarkStarryNight@reddit
2. u must be âdreamingâ if u think I'd support a Muslim Nato proxy (Albanians/KLA) over Slavs, Orthodox, Serbians, under any circumstances.Â
Mal_Dun@reddit
The only reason it was not a NATO operation was that France called out the BS beforehand ...
mightygilgamesh@reddit
When you stop being outraged or denouncing what should outrage you or be denounced, things will only get worse.
1DarkStarryNight@reddit
dude.
lol.
this is v. much âselective outrageâ & it's disgusting.
idk the person in the OP but, they're part of the UN.
the same UN that (as the subs resident Alawite mentioned) embraced the Jihadist leader of Syria after his forces carried out atrocities against minorities. (according to AP, the worst violence since 2011, in terms of numbers).
the regime is also currently openly âthreateningâ the SDF w/ war. (Assad wanted the SDF to âjoinâ the government, too, but he never âthreatenedâ them, and at times worked w/ them).
so, consider. the UN not only did nothing abt the atrocities, (whereas, for instance, Russia let thousands of Alawites, & other minorities the Russian base, as they were escaping regime forces) â but actually welcomed him.
so, no. idc what the UN hypocrites say.
mightygilgamesh@reddit
Oh I don't care about the UN either, it's an org made to suit the will powerful countries. I was talking about us a a global community. The point the person cited is acceptable and we shouodn't minimize it, but the POV from where it's said is another matter.
We as citizen must not stop to criticize, me must not get accustomed to barbary.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
See if you can attach a turbine to your outrage to squeeze some electricity out of it, other wise it's totally meaningless
hyenathecrazy@reddit
Can we all admit at most people will stomach economic actions but nothing substantial like boots on the ground. Not even like the U.S. since I'll admit we burned a shit ton of good will from Gulf War and the Balkans. No one wants to deal with this mess in a way that matters unless they are going to burn one side at the stake. Those who could be fair about it don't have the power projection to do so. So like...what is the best choice/path? I'm open to suggestions.
Monterenbas@reddit
No, most countries wonât even go that far, if thatâs economicaly inconvenient.
Kiboune@reddit
So what? It's not like UN actually cares about Palestine or members would've pressured Israel a long time ago. We know, they have means, they just don't want do anything, because they're afraid to oppose USA
Monterenbas@reddit
The UN have absolutely zero means to coerced nuclear powers, who behaved criminaly and bully their smaller neighbors, you should be well positioned to know that.
docfarnsworth@reddit
They absolutely don't have the means to do much of anything.
GodZ_n_KingZ@reddit
UN is pissed of that they couldn't do something like this in the past 70 years. UN is a circus, they invited Al-Qaeda leader who genocided tens of thousands of minorities in SyrianÂ
WouldbangMelisandre@reddit
Who was it?
GodZ_n_KingZ@reddit
Ahmad Al-Sharaa, our current dictator.Â
I hate when people ask questions like this. it shows how little the world knows about our suffering. No one protests for us, and everyone seems friendly toward the ISIS regime, even removing it from terrorist lists and lifting sanctions.
Monterenbas@reddit
Say what you want about the guy, for the rest of the world, heâs still a huge improvement compares to Bashar.
Eexoduis@reddit
Sharaa is not responsible for the massacre of tens of thousands of minorities in Syria, thatâs absolute nonsense.
ijzerwater@reddit
it was not able to achieve anything since USA would veto it all
Best_Change4155@reddit
It's not able to achieve anything because it's run by the mentally retarded
ijzerwater@reddit
you may be confusing current UN with current white house
Best_Change4155@reddit
No, the UN isn't run by mentally-retarded Americans.
mrpressydepress@reddit
Gaza war: ending.
UN: "no good".
mendokusei15@reddit
Do you think Tony Fucking Blair should have more relevance in the transitional process than Palestinians?
jjonj@reddit
He wouldn't though. There would be many palestinians on the counsil and Tony Blair would not have more control than them
mendokusei15@reddit
Blair and Trump would be supervising this trasitional comitee. There's no reason to say a supervisor is not gonna have more power than the people he supervises.
And there's zero reasons for Trump and Blair, out of all people in the world, from all the countries in the world, to supervise this comitee.
This, like I said, already happened. And here we are.
And...? Your point is...? Did it work well that time or not?
cultish_alibi@reddit
Do you care about any details or do you just see 'war ended' and that's enough for you to stop thinking about what happens afterwards?
Infamous-Cash9165@reddit
Stopping babies from being actively killed is more important than allowing diplomats to pat themselves on the back
mrpressydepress@reddit
I care more than you could know. We are in a sensitive time where radicals on all sides will try to ruin the advancements towards ending the war. Each for their own goals and to serve their own masters. NONE!!! Due to caring for the people of Gaza. NONE!
Bhavacakra_12@reddit
That's certainly one (stupid) way of looking at it.
manhattanabe@reddit
She hasnât been a UN commissioners since 2014. Now, she represents South Africa in the ICJ (on a Gambia vs Myanmar case). She also chairs one of the many anti-Israel commissions in the UN. Of course she opposes the ceasefire. The UN is largely responsible for the conditions in Gaza, via UNRWA, and does not support coexistence between the two nations.
KaiBahamut@reddit
Are you sure Israel has nothing to do with the conditions in Gaza? The nuclear armed nation that has occupied it for decades? Really?
manhattanabe@reddit
Gaza is the way it is because Hamas wants it they way. Israel withdrew 20 years ago, and Hamas decided they didnât want Gaza to be normal. They built an armed camp to attack Israel and prevent the people of Gaza to enjoy a normal life. Somehow, I donât see Israeli having nuclear weapons being relevant.
KaiBahamut@reddit
I thought Iran was funding Hamas and Hamas was an Iranian proxy? Israel gonna bomb the UN next for feeding Palestinians?
manhattanabe@reddit
You clearly donât know whatâs going on in Gaza. Why do you bother posting?
KaiBahamut@reddit
Youâre posting without knowing anything, I thought it was okay?
SirStupidity@reddit
I've read the entire article and seen no mentions of laws being broken by this plan. Can someone point out where, besides the title, the article shows this?
SilverDiscount6751@reddit
"Stop ending our war stupid trump!"
5wmotor@reddit
You really asking me why itâs wrong to call a democratic country with regular elections âNazisâ, which ruled by an authoritarian dictatorship.
Canât make this shit up.
Ostrich-Sized@reddit
Nazis had elections.... Just like Israel
Nazis committed a genocide.... Just like Israel.
The comparison seems apt.
HockeyHocki@reddit
What a sorry state the UN has deteriorated into. These people provide obstacles not pathways to peace. Apparently solving the Israel/Palestine conflict once and for all has to be a condition for any peace plan or it should be considered illegalđ
Omission of fundamental issues
*The dismantling of illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank
*Establishment of recognised borders
*The right of return and status of Palestinian refugees
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