Hand counted is the key part of that. The new Dominion CEO keeps saying he has paper ballots, but he leaves out that they are still counted on HIS machines. So it's a bit disingenuous, especially since there has been issues with the tabulators.

BUSTING the 'Man-in-the-Middle' of Ohio Vote Rigging

(The transcript has been edited for clarity)

https://youtu.be/BRW3Bh8HQic?t=686

11:26

Bob Urosevich and the Urosevich brothers,…they founded ES&S or co-founded ES&S. And they went around to try and sell ES&S voting technology. But because most of it was being sold to governments, they couldn't sell it because they were the only ones with electronic voting technology. So they had to have someone to bid against. So one of the brothers, Bob, left ES&S and set up another company called Global Election Systems. So then … the two brothers would bid against each other so you had “different people” owning the companies, right?

Interestingly you know all of the tabulators in Northern Florida in 2000 were Bob Urosevich's toys. He's an interesting cat. I hope he's doing very well. A very devout man.

...unfortunately the reality is a lot of the people that are involved in the voting machine world,...who had the drive to do this are all from the deep deep fundamentalist believer Community.

Now there's nothing wrong with the deep fundamentalist believer community… I have my own deep beliefs. But most people like me who are involved in computers, there's not a lot of people that view themselves as Christians first and computer programmers second. I don’t know anybody at the high end who thinks of themselves that way, except for the people who own voting machine companies.

…they all donate to one party and only to the extreme wing of that party, which is my party, but the extreme wing who hates me. And I doubt that they're truthful about their intent with the machines… There's sort of a an unfortunate reality that on some of the more fundamentalist Christian components today, …. they actually don't think it's wrong to lie to the unbelievers as long as you’re working toward a greater truth for God. So if they believe that by controlling the vote they can save the babies, by packing the Supreme Court, which I am convinced this is ….how this all started

They got the idea of going, “We have to get the true believers in office. We can't seem to get them elected”, so let's follow Stalin's advice. As Stalin said, “You who… vote have no control. He who controls the vote has all the control.”, or some approximate translation from Russian…So they're like let's build the vote tabulators. And then they got down the tabulator thing. And they also said, “Well what if we could also control the voting machine, so that you could erase the ballot.”

I don't think they initially thought about hacking the touch screens. They just didn't want to have a paper trail. It’s like the hacking is mostly done at the tabulator level…you can hack a voting machine, but you got to hack a lot of voting machines to be effective in most cases. Cause if a population is moving in one direction by 2%, you got to figure a way to hack 70, 80, 90 machines, quite a lot at a minimum to have an impact. You can do it, but it's a lot of work. But all you do is hack one tabulator at the state level, or four or five tabulators at the county level, or as I believed in Ohio, you can…control some number of tabulators from a man in the middle.

- Stephen Spoonamore (Cyber Security Professional who was brought in to be the expert witness in the 2004 Ohio Election case)