Are alien species actually supposed to look vastly different than humans "in universe"?
Posted by JACCO2008@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 76 comments
By that i mean is the "forehead prosthetic" thing is just transnational shorthand for TV and they actually look very different within the reality of the universe or is there an actual canon reason that 90% of all alien life just happened to evolve the same human characteristics?
hiirogen@reddit
As I recall, one of the things Babylon 5 was determined to do was to avoid the forehead prosthetics and do real alien makeup.
About 6 or so episodes in they realized to keep up with the production schedule, forehead prosthetics were the only way
Long_Pig_Tailor@reddit
Very well, thank you
Machomanta@reddit
Season 6 Episode 20: The Chase
ComesInAnOldBox@reddit
Ah, yes, the episode that tries to respond to the cheap prosthetic criticism of aliens in Star Trek. Never referred to on screen again, either, although it is brought up in the Shatnerverse >!when Kirk has a child with a half-Klingon, half-Romulan woman.!<
sicarius254@reddit
But they brought up again, just not in TNG
ComesInAnOldBox@reddit
When?
a_tired_bisexual@reddit
It’s the entire plot hook of Discovery Season 5
ComesInAnOldBox@reddit
Yeah-nah, not interested.
Resident-Pilot-3179@reddit
It's Reddit. You cannot dissent lol.
1Original1@reddit
You can dissent. You just can't cry if your opinion isn't popular
Remote-Pie-3152@reddit
Your loss. We got to see what Breen look like under the suit.
Raguleader@reddit
Turns out they all look like Carrie Fisher.
Imswim80@reddit
In the bikini, no less.
The-Minmus-Derp@reddit
Your loss
Machomanta@reddit
Bless your heart for watching that drivel and reporting back to us
Remote-Pie-3152@reddit
So you’ve never seen a suitless Breen, I take it.
ComesInAnOldBox@reddit
Don't care to.
Machomanta@reddit
Also explains how many species in the galaxy can breed together. It's fine
Magnus_Helgisson@reddit
Riker: It’s free real estate!
ComesInAnOldBox@reddit
Yeah, it was a good little treasure-hunting episode.
Luppercus@reddit
Is a good episode but honestly explains pretty much nothing because evolution doesn't work like that.
YT-Deliveries@reddit
I loved the conversation at the end of that one. Pure Star Trek.
slylock215@reddit
I always find it funny that the....lets call them progenitor being is played by the female changeling from DS9. I'm also realizing right now that her given name in the show and credits is literally just "female changeling"
Yamato37@reddit
Headcannon for me is that they're the same race. Eons later, they developed shapeshifting abilities and lost/changed their earlier motivations as stated in the chase.
YT-Deliveries@reddit
Heh, never noticed that.
SummerOnTheBeach@reddit
I would say this was my most favorite TNG episode. I loved it very much.
Sledgehammer617@reddit
This
zeptimius@reddit
Ronald D. Moore remembered, "Joe Menosky was intrigued with this notion of why there's a common humanoid ancestry for all the bipedal races we've encountered in Star Trek. Why was the show filled only with people with bumps on their foreheads? We looked to give that an answer. And I was fascinated with the notion of something being written into the very fabric of their genes, that there was a code in there waiting to be established."
InnerDays@reddit
There's a TNG episode which tries to answer this in canon, but honestly much like the changes to Klingons foreheads between TOS and TNG it's better if you dont really think about it too much.
Virtual_Atmosphere59@reddit
I think Enterprise did a decent job of explaining how their are Klingons without ridges.
etman1030@reddit
I prefer the DS9 explanation 😁
Scavgraphics@reddit
I prefer Roddenberry's.
(The transmissions from the future were too low def to see what they really looked like, but by the time of the movies, they got better tech)
Virtual_Atmosphere59@reddit
Didn't Worf say it was caused by a virus? Which is essentially what Enterprise did? The Klingons ended up creating an airborne virus because of the gene mutations they were trying to do.
I may be remembering DS9 wrong. I need to watch it again.
SneakingCat@reddit
No, Worf just said they do not discuss it with outsiders.
Flossy001@reddit
Yes they explained it in cannot but it was a band-aid fix for real life issues of making a tv show. It would be pretty easy to make humanoid looking aliens look alien enough that they invoke an uncanny valley type of effect with current tech. Now ofcourse it’s tradition and they can’t tweak these aliens in NuTrek or are even capable of doing a good job (the revised Klingons are horrific).
EquinoctialPie@reddit
In Srar Trek IV, Spock disguises himself as a human by simply wearing a headband around his pointy ears, which clearly implies that he looks like a human otherwise.
Remote-Pie-3152@reddit
I think it also covers the outer tips of his eyebrows so he just kinda looks permanently bemused
Equivalent-Hamster37@reddit
Haha, that's a perfect description of Vulcans!
pinkheartglasses4all@reddit
Tuvok does the same in the episode where voyager goes back in time to 20th century earth
Raguleader@reddit
The first season of Star Trek: Picard has a funny line that implies that Romulans think humans just look like Romulans with funny round ears.
WelfOnTheShelf@reddit
In The Guardian of Forever he disguises himself with a toque (or whatever it's called in other places...a beanie? A wool hat anyway)
Time-Hat-5107@reddit
That would make sense, in that all art is a translation. But no, that is exactly what they look like. So writers and fans have to jump through great hoops to explain the differences between TOS and TNG, both with things like Klingon appearance and what now appears to be pathetically dated technology.
froot_loop_dingus_@reddit
There's an episode of TNG that explains all intelligent life in the galaxy evolved from a common ancestor race who seeded multiple planets with their DNA.
Worldly-Ad-9303@reddit
Yes, it was in "The Chase" and for some reason the alien common ancestor always reminded of Odo from DS9!
froot_loop_dingus_@reddit
Played by the same actress is why
Flufnstuf@reddit
Odo was not played by the same actress.
froot_loop_dingus_@reddit
Probably why I didn’t say Odo, I said the Founder aka the female changeling
Flufnstuf@reddit
Oh yeah. I read that wrong.
Worldly-Ad-9303@reddit
I doubt froot_loop_dingus is anyone's real name!
hellohellohello-@reddit
I’ve been born with it at least three times.
Worldly-Ad-9303@reddit
Everyday is a school day, she played the female changeling in DS9,, thank you for clearing up something that has weirdly bugged me every time I've watched that episode.
WithASackOfAlmonds@reddit
The presence of so many humanoid species could be explained by Panspermia
ahumannamedtim@reddit
That would help explain how Deanna Troi could be half Betazoid and half Human too.
EAE8019@reddit
I think Luxwanna Troi explains that.
Worldly-Ad-9303@reddit
I will have to look that word up!
Luppercus@reddit
Doylist answer: With the exception of the Klingons in TOS who according to Gene were always supposed to look like in TNG just didn't have the budget, no.
Watsonian answer: is not 90%, there's a bottleneck bias in there. Is 90% of what you see because humanoid species tend to inteact to each other so our heroes will deal with them more often. However if we assume there are like billions of intelligent species in the galaxy what we have see on camere even if they already reach thousands, they are still not even close to be 1%. 80% of aliens can be insectoids for what we know because we haven't seen most of the aliens that populate the galaxy only a small fraction of it. AFAIK humanoids are actually the minority.
But yes as others have said it is explain that a large amount of life forms descent from the primordial humanoids who seeded the galaxy 4 billion years ago.
Used-Gas-6525@reddit
Thay are all descended from the same species, hence they are all humanoid. Kinda a cool way of getting around the fact that in all likelihood the aliens probably wouldn't see the same spectrum of light, may not use language (as we know it) to communicate, or may not have corporeal forms under a strict definition. They could be intelligent gas clouds that only exist in dimensions we cannot observe (some think that apart from our three dimensions plus time there are between 5-7 dimensions that are essentially unobservable to humans).
Worldly-Ad-9303@reddit
I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking what alien life might actually look like if it existed IRL?
XPsychoMunkyX@reddit
Not the OP, but it seems as if they’re asking . . .
“Does Picard see the various aliens differently than we, the viewers do? Are Klingons actually 500lbs of pure muscle, with the ridges of a dragon and the mane of lions, but we just see them a 6 1/2 foot human with rides on their forehead?”
JACCO2008@reddit (OP)
Correct. Like the characters that exist within the universe see the aliens differently then we the viewers do because that universe is being "translated" through our televisions. I guess lol
citybadger@reddit
I like this. The Universal Translator translates other races’ appearances to match expectations.
JACCO2008@reddit (OP)
Mass Effect plays with that concept with the Asari. Though I think they use mind tricks instead if technology.
Worldly-Ad-9303@reddit
Well if that's what the OP is asking, then it is beyond my understanding to even know how to begin to answer or comprehend such an abstract concept! And to be honest, I don't even understand what I just said, but I think it sounded good!
Olodumare_@reddit
We probably come from then. So i doubt it
Own_Hand2118@reddit
There could be some convergence in evolution (bipedalism, large cranial capacity etc) of sentient species for effective locomotion, handling of tools and et al for survival on their homeworlds. But the aliens of star trek are way too similar ( they have two hands and lehlgs with five digits each), eyes, ears, noses , mouths, sexual organs all at the same place, DNA having the same proteins and double nucleic sequences, brain way too similar. Even the skin pigmentation is usually similar and the languages they speak follow the same principles.
MovieFan1984@reddit
What we see is what they see.
Classic_Wonder_2613@reddit
I think them looking vastly different in-universe is the best answer but that is more a recent idea.
The general humanoid similarities have been around for so long now, that it'd be hard to parce it as anything but everyone is interrelated
Other-Cantaloupe4765@reddit
You make the progenitors wish they hadn’t been so horny smh /j
BILLCLINTONMASK@reddit
I’m certain that there will be life that looks like humans.
There will be other life forms too. But the ones we’ll have the most meaningful interactions with will be the ones most like us.
pavilionaire2022@reddit
They had some more unique aliens from time to time, like the lizard people or the weird fish guys in stasis. This is like how they show you the hobbits in forced perspective in just a few scenes so you just believe they're small. Then, in most other scenes, they just shoot close-up with scaled props.
N_o_r_m_a_l@reddit
Some hypothesize that body-plan may be similar for beings evolved in a similar gravity well. We haven't yet been able to test this hypothesis.
commandrix@reddit
I think Star Trek: The Next Generation did try to come up with an in-universe explanation for it, but it never went beyond one episode (at least in TNG). Primarily, there was this progenitor race that seeded a bunch of planets and that led to many intelligent species looking similar.
Raguleader@reddit
On that note, I always loved the DS9 explanation of why Klingons in the 24th century looked different from the ones in the era of Those Old Scientists. It was, essentially, "I don't want to talk about it."
Although it did crack the door a bit for folks to expect more explanation, which led to Enterprise coming up with the Klingon Augment plot, and then fans expecting an explanation for every makeup design change moving forward.
bongart@reddit
Did you know that in the original Star Trek, Spock was supposed to wear red makeup, to make his skin look red? Yes, I know with the whole "green-blooded" thing, his skin would look green... but we are talking about the original Trek. Roddenberry wanted Spock to have red skin. Unfortunately, many viewers back then still had black & white televisions, and red skin would have made Spock look black... and there was no way Trek would have gotten to stay on television at that time in history, with a black second in command. Having a black woman as an officer on the bridge was progressive enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Spock
Thus the politics of discrimination decided how this "alien" would appear.
Roddenberry also felt that other alien designs should not require extensive makeup or prosthetics around the mouth and eyes, as this would interfere with the actor's ability to show emotion during their performance. So his tradeoff on making aliens look human, was that the actors could do their jobs easier. Odd considering his costume choices over the years, but whatever.
Suckamanhwewhuuut@reddit
Whole episode devoted to this question.
disdkatster@reddit
You can look at different animals of the same species on earth for an idea of how often divergence occurs the appears solely based on appearance. Look at the different varieties of goats, dogs, etc.