Intel's open source future in question as exec says he's done carrying the competition
Posted by -protonsandneutrons-@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 136 comments
TurtleCrusher@reddit
A lot of you are not going to like this but it is true. AI has turned open source into open exploit. It is far more secure now to run closed source software than open source.
The days of needing teams of teams of people to exploit vulnerabilities are over. There is no way foreign governments are not sitting on hundreds, if not thousands of exploits waiting for the right time to strike.
withlovefromspace@reddit
Security through obscurity is not all that good. Open source allows more people to find those exploits and patch them. AI is not finding the exploits you think it is, and if it could, the reverse could be true for patching them as well. Your last line is pure FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt).
TurtleCrusher@reddit
With a large enough token limit and memory available in a cluster entire applications can be analyzed at once. That’s not available to anyone without modern supercomputers. To do this on close sourced software in an automated fashion one needs to run concurrent VMs which takes practically infinitely longer to parse.
Exploiting open source software was the first target.
withlovefromspace@reddit
Open source is easier to analyze, not inherently weaker. Closed source is harder to analyze, but not necessarily stronger.
We’re talking about core open source packages that run critical infrastructure, they will be protected by the people that rely on them. The same openness that makes them easier to analyze for attackers also makes them easier to audit, fuzz, and patch by defenders.
And let’s be real, the same AI code-analysis tools that state actors use, the US and allied nations also have access to, likely with more compute and better models. Limiting chip exports is about preserving that advantage and we have been doing that. The US still has the largest AI compute footprint on Earth.
As for Linux vs Windows, Windows has a more mature exploit ecosystem and higher single-target payoff, while Linux’s openness makes wide scale discovery cheaper. For well resourced state actors, reverse engineering is largely automatable. The hard part that remains is turning a finding into a reliable, environment specific exploit.
I don’t think open source is as big a vulnerability in the AI age as you claim. There are trade-offs and subtleties you’re skipping over.
Therabidmonkey@reddit
Do they contribute to any significant projects in ways that aren't just optimizations for their hardware? I was looking through their open source contributions page and most of it seems to fall in this category.
If the above is true, what the fuck are you carrying? You can choose to let your products run like shit but don't act like you're carrying open source just because you don't want to be left in the dust on major projects.
RetdThx2AMD@reddit
I recall seeing an Intel contribution sometime this year for I think the Linux kernel which was a significant optimization specifically for AMD CPUs. I thought it was strangely generous at the time.
SignalButterscotch73@reddit
Not quite, if I remember correctly.
It was a memory allocation optimisation specifically for x86-64, it just happens that AMD implements x86-64 in a way that benefits more. Probably because x86-64 is AMD tech that Intel license from them.
I could also be conflating 2 (or more) different stories, no clue, don't really care enough right now to do the research to check myself, it's my bed time.
RetdThx2AMD@reddit
You could be right. I briefly tried to find the article but did not come up with anything. I thought it was something AMD chip specific, but if not then it helped AMD's implementation by multiples more than Intel's.
notam00se@reddit
https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-epyc-scaling-384
RetdThx2AMD@reddit
A good example, but that is too long ago to be the one I'm thinking of.
notam00se@reddit
Maybe https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-INVLPGB-Linux-Benefits
Ignored for 4 years by AMD, support added by Facebook.
I found other snippets from Google improving some Zen5 AES workloads by 230%.
And https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-epyc-mid2025-linux shows Intel's Clear linux was 23% faster for AMD than Ubuntu 24.04 LTS.
But plenty of indirect support of your memory if these aren't it.
RetdThx2AMD@reddit
And low and behold, Intel gifts us with a brand new example:https://www.phoronix.com/news/Cache-Aware-Scheduling-Go
ps://www.phoronix.com/news/Cache-Aware-Scheduling-Go
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Cache-Aware-Scheduling-Go
wtallis@reddit
Nah, that's ancient history that isn't relevant to how CPUs are implemented today. x86-64 hit the market over 22 years ago. That's way too long for either side to retain any kind of home field advantage along the lines of understanding the architecture better. The people who designed x86-64 are retired, or close to it.
SignalButterscotch73@reddit
I no longer underestimate Intel's capacity for being shit at CPU's. (Much like AMD)
RephRayne@reddit
The Netburst debacle should've done that ~25 years ago.
SignalButterscotch73@reddit
Despite Pentium 4 being kinda crap, that was in comparison to Athlon64 and Pentium3, two of the greatest gpu generations ever made. It still gave us SMT in the quest to make it not crap, something that benefited Zen and most Intel generations since.
Exist50@reddit
There's an interesting discussion on who Intel's main competition is. Is the threat AMD, or ARM? It's easier to win back an x86 socket than someone who's already migrated to a different ISA, so all else equal, if Intel can't convince someone to buy a Xeon, an AMD chip would be the next best thing.
Not to say this is Intel's thought process with any particular change, but the business environment is more complicated than just Intel vs AMD. Worth considering.
RM-4747@reddit
Probably depends on the exact market and use case.
People buying a laptop want it to be quiet, thin, light, and have long battery life. ARM clearly wins there.
People buying gaming PCs apparently don't care at all about power consumption or heat, they're perfectly fine using a desktop PC that sounds like a leaf blower, heats up the room like a space heater, and has a 1kW power supply. I guess their electric company loves them.
For servers, energy efficiency matters, but so does performance. ARM vs. x86 will depend on the use case for now, and a lot of things are being done on GPUs now anyway and CPU tasks are becoming less relevant, so Nvidia is dominating there.
A lot of AI tasks are done locally on the PC anyway, and most of the server-based AI things so far to me seem like gimmicks, and I don't see much of a real use case for most of them.
I use a lot of the AI tools in Adobe software, but none of that is done on servers, it's all done locally on my computer.
midorikuma42@reddit
This reminds me so much of the Pentium4 days. Intel really thought people wanted computers like this for everyday tasks.
RM-4747@reddit
I mean, people are buying the RTX 5090 + Intel 285K like hotcakes for gaming, so…
They’re pretty popular it seems.
midorikuma42@reddit
For gamers, yes. Regular people don't want computers that sound like leaf blowers just for surfing the web or writing a document or whatever.
brentsg@reddit
I mean, the comment you tried to correct specifically said "gaming PCs".
Those would be the gamers.
Exist50@reddit
Well, that setup certainly wouldn't.
Capable_Site_2891@reddit
It's easy.
Intels main competition and challenge is Intel.
Exist50@reddit
That's precisely the mindset that helped lead them into this mess. When you're a monopoly, the rival is the guy in the next cube, competing for the same resources you are. Creates siloed development and a lot of reinventing the wheel.
CapoDoFrango@reddit
This describes how Google operates.
Exist50@reddit
It's not the first time I've heard than analogy in recent years.
Capable_Site_2891@reddit
Oh yep, I was thinking about it on the bottom, not the top.
Like my main competitor is me, because I wake up and immediately get set to drinking strong spirits.
Not, my main competitor is me because I'm the fastest sprinter on earth, no one can catch me, and I'm just beating my own personal record.
Saotik@reddit
It's what happened to Nokia.
Square-Home5415@reddit
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Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
This is why the ATOM cpu's aren't as good as they could be.
EloquentPinguin@reddit
I think its generally they need cheaper perf. ARM is a bit cheaper than AMD, but AMD has x86 so the battle is well on. With Intel it is not obvious that they can win. I think if AMD Zen 6 can create very efficient very large server CPUs that's just what people will prefer. For big hyperscalers cost can beat a lot of factors. Of course creating in house ARM chips tends to be much cheaper as they don't pay margin on production, if efficiency and perf isn't there it isn't necessarily worth it.
I think when ARM takes over, both Intel and AMD will have a not so hard time to switch to ARM, but it will be very hard to start in the ARM market where everyone creates their own chips and the marketplace is basically not there.
So I think it is both AMD and Intel against ARM to keep x86 server supremacy alive and secondly they two against each other. Let's not forget how irrelevant AMD was 10 years ago in server, so I think as long as Intel can hold on to the x86 license and AMD + Intel keep x86 alive, there is a fighting chance by exclusivety. But they both can't let ARM win.
Could be just me yapping from my couch but that's just my .02
beginner75@reddit
Where are ARM chips made? Taiwan?
OutragedTux@reddit
As with all things TSMC, the creation of the silicon wafers happens in Taiwan. Then the parts required for assembly are assembled in China, Malaysia, elsewhere, etc.
mycall@reddit
China + RISCV is the underdog now, but who knows in 5-10 years.
RM-4747@reddit
That's already happened. Qualcomm has been making ARM chips for Windows for years now, and Nvidia is about to release theirs too.
Berengal@reddit
In this specific case it's more that Linux doesn't accept specialized patches unless there's a good reason to. Intel wouldn't get a patch in that didn't also work on AMD cpus as long as that's feasible. Same goes for ARM. It's a fairly strong stance of the Linux kernel to not allow sub-par solutions when better ones are clearly possible, and something they've trained companies that want to contribute to do for a long while.
LevTolstoy@reddit
It's TSMC.
Exist50@reddit
Not for this part of the business, at least. TSMC is a supplier.
cp5184@reddit
I think intel pretty much controls the linux graphics stack, but that's just the impression I get.
Plazmatic@reddit
They have good implementations of open standards (opencl originally, now a vendored version of sycl, "one API") additionally you have TB (threaded building blocks, now "oneTBB" for one API), though it's made with Intel CPUs in mind, it works on all hardware and is open source. They also have XeSS and they have created open source advanced performance monitoring software, and they originally created OpenCV (then handed it off to another developer, and are not curating but not necessarily contributing to it again)
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
Unfortunately, despite promises, they never open-sourced XeSS.
LAwLzaWU1A@reddit
I don't think most people realize how much Intel contributes to open source, and not just optimizations for their own hardware. Here is a list of things just on top of my head:
Intel's contributions to open source can not be understated. I am sure the list could be at least twice as long if me and a few other sat down and thought a bit longer. They do far more than just optimize things for their own hardware. Of course that is their primary goal and that is their main focus, but Intel has their hands in so much more.
gorion@reddit
Linux Kernel, Compilers and stuff like Embree, OneMKL or Open Image Denoise.
Those bring Intel aimed improvements, but except that they develop a lot of agnostic stuff. Obviously its to make them used by more people, so Intel have advantage, but excec might not understand that, or they decide that they just cant afford it now and are just framing it like carrying others.
werpu@reddit
Well if they pull out of those projects would mean that they will get phased out of the server space, the guy simply is not getting it at all what this would mean!
Helpdesk_Guy@reddit
That's just plain covering their own stuff. Pushing compiler-optimizations which profit mainly Intel's own chips, and if those also profit AMD, then that's either accidental or couldn't be avoided.
Intel Embree is their own Raytracing-library
Intel OneMKL their infamous Math Kernel Library
Their Intel-backed denoiser the Intel-extension tailored image-denoiser
So they just maintaining their own stuff, that's it.
werpu@reddit
The biggest contribution is the linux kernel, and if they pull out of it would mean they shoot themselves into the foot!
guestHITA@reddit
Well they contributed x86. Thats as basic as it gets. It took amd 40 years to contribute x64.
Exist50@reddit
Neither is open source.
stu66er@reddit
Openvino is intel and they do some to the Linux kernel.
Exist50@reddit
Openvino exists to enable Intel's accelerators.
ACiD_80@reddit
A lot... in raytracing and rendering in general for example
MrAnonyMousetheGreat@reddit
I think they contributed a fair bit to wayland.
But for real, the amount of free and open source software that these companies use and profit from, the ones that also increase demand for their products (ex. VMD molecular dynamics simulation software, pytorch, etc.) is ridiculous.
Carrying the competition, my ass.
Even contributing to common frameworks used by the competition, helps ensure people adopt the framework in their software development (imagine if Vulkan only worked on just one company's GPUs), thus making it possible to have it run on your hardware, thus increasing demand for your product. It's not like Intel is being some sort of innovator and first to market or even creating a market where it can make a close sourced moat like Nvidia did with CUDA. If everybody makes their own special only works on my own hardware closed source software, companies that are behind like Intel are not going to be the ones to win that fight and shoot themselves in the foot. Even openSYCL and oneAPI and XeSS do not make things easy enough to run code written in openSYCL or having XeSS upscaling work well on all the other GPUs aren't open and cross-platform enough to incentivize people to develop using their software stacks. A developer would like something like DirectX or Vulkan when it comes oneAPI and XeSS, where the hardware is abstracted as much as possible making it truly cross platform. Barring that, you'd at least like a language that is very similar to language for the code you've already written like with HIP + ROCm for AMD.
Everything I'm seeing from this CEO other than partnering with NVidia to make APUs, perhaps once for AI, like seemingly giving up on GPUs for production and AI and further developing openAPI sycl. Like, what's their AI play? To get the foundry back to being competitive with TSMC and gettting other people to manufacture on the cutting edge notdes? Gelsinger was already trying to do that.
ExeusV@reddit
https://lwn.net/Articles/915435/
Kryohi@reddit
Strangest thing they did was optimizing a lot of stuff with AVX512 instructions, while removing AVX512 from their consumer CPUs...
FabianN@reddit
Intel uses and makes lots of industry standards that others make use of. Improving performance of those standards helps everyone that uses it.
Another post on this topic was talking about intel’s contribution for performance of chips with over 28 cores got AMD about a 40% performance boost on their chips.
Any improvements to do with the x86 or x64 standards, or any other instruction set standards that are shared, will improve performance for everyone using those standards.
arthurno1@reddit
They contribute also drivers for their own hardware and the Microsoft for their CPUs to kernel 😀.
Well, I think they do some extra stuff. If I am not misstaken, I believe they have paid for the Wayland development. I am not 100% on that one, but I think I have red somewhere the Wayland developer (developers?) is employed by Intel, ro work on Wayland. But I might be completely wrong there, don't take me for the word.
Exist50@reddit
Stuff like Clear Linux showed good gains on AMD as well... but I'm not sure how you'd meaningfully optimize for Intel (i.e. general purpose x86 improvements that can be deployed in real workloads, not benchmark widgets) and not also help AMD. Obviously that's never been part of the intent.
Therabidmonkey@reddit
Even if they could optimize for things in the general architecture and handicap AMD while doing so I feel like hopefully a project maintainer would not merge that. (Could be asking a lot given the level of complexity of some of that code.)
Exist50@reddit
Yeah, that's what I meant by general purpose. Like, the Intel compiler or Intel libraries can do whatever, but then anyone interested in deploying across vendors won't use them for either, so it's a moot point.
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit (OP)
The Reg has two titles, as they are wont to do. Google’s index has the other one:
Geddagod@reddit
LMAO
xeoron@reddit
They clearly do not want their chips used in data centers, school chromebooks, and developers who need Linux.
Professional-Tear996@reddit
Where does this indicate that they're abandoning Linux?
xeoron@reddit
When they fire the people maintaining dozens of critical packages related to intel chips, that is a signal right there.
Professional-Tear996@reddit
None of the Debian packages that have been orphaned are "critical".
Proud_Tie@reddit
There's a ton of Intel Linux kernel devs that were also let go and modules orphaned as well.
atxweirdo@reddit
Wow this is definitely going to cascade into distribution for other scientific computing applications. All new data centers are going to be Guaranteed to be AMD.
Reclaimer2401@reddit
I doubt Data centers are just running Ubuntu
Any packages that they use Intel would likely prioritize, while ditching the rest
OkGap7226@reddit
The competition's stuff works.
GlisaningCouch@reddit
In large part because Intel gave everyone the patches to make them work also.
aggthemighty@reddit
Recent rallies notwithstanding, this is why a lot of people think Intel's management is shit and holding them back
mrgorilla111@reddit
Would you say the same of ARM?
This guy was hired a month ago and was previously an exec at ARM
aggthemighty@reddit
I don't know enough about ARM to comment.
tadfisher@reddit
ARM has a shit track record for FOSS support and is shit at promoting standards to make this better, especially for Linux. Qualcomm, Ampere and Nvidia are all trying, but they do not have the full-on FOSS-first culture that Intel used to have and it shows.
Hence why every ARM vendor gives you a fucking kernel fork and basically says "good luck", and Red Hat/Canonical only support very specific platforms.
I am sure the leadership at ARM thinks this is a feature and not a bug, somehow.
dnkndnts@reddit
With a statement like this, one might imagine he still works for ARM.
CrestronwithTechron@reddit
Carrying the competition? Homie if it wasn't for enterprise sales Intel would be hemorrhaging money. AMD is taking Intel's lunch money while they were caught with their pants down.
SortOfWanted@reddit
That's not what it's about. This claims that 'the competition' is benefitting from contributions to open source software that Intel is paying for.
braaaaaaainworms@reddit
Tragedy of the commons
Saxasaurus@reddit
No, this is the free rider problem.
When Intel was a defacto monopoly, if they invested in FOSS software, it made CPUs more valuable, and they reaped the rewards of that increase in value. Now that there is real competition for CPUs (from AMD as well as ARM), their competitors can free ride off of the FOSS investments Intel makes.
tadfisher@reddit
In reality, reducing FOSS support for their hardware makes Intel less attractive than the competition. The fact that they are no longer dominant just means it will be much harder for them to push proprietary ISA extensions or new platform standards to differentiate from AMD. Their customers are enterprise-server and DC which shop for FOSS support first and foremost; like, you see choices made based on kernel scheduling algorithms that favor Intel's SMT implementation, then watched that turn around as AMD submitted scheduler changes that benefit them and their massive cache. You cannot compete against this without deeply embedding your SW engineering culture in FOSS and maintaining that commitment.
Exist50@reddit
Kind of the opposite. The tragedy of the commons is when one person's selfish usage makes things worse for everyone else. With open source, it's making things better.
braaaaaaainworms@reddit
Open source only exists because people and companies put their time to maintain it. If Intel chooses to spend less of their employees' time on it, because the execs see it as benefitting their competition too much, open source loses. If you stop watering a field because other people also use it, everyone loses.
CrestronwithTechron@reddit
Still very shitty mindset. Guess the investors need more money.
ThankGodImBipolar@reddit
If Intel was still the top dog, then sure. But, as you said, AMD is taking Intel’s lunch money, and the open source contributions that Intel was making were only very indirectly contributing to their bottom line. At some point, you run out of money to continue sponsoring things like that.
Exist50@reddit
Arguably, software support is one of the major things keeping Intel alive in enterprise at all.
midorikuma42@reddit
Exactly. Intel traditionally had excellent support for Linux, so if you bought Intel hardware (not just CPUs, but everything) you could feel safe that it would be well-supported with Linux. This is important for enterprise customers, but also anyone who just wants to run Linux hassle-free on their PC. It's why I generally avoided AMD laptops and stuck with Intel: even if the AMD CPU was supported OK, I couldn't trust that all the other chips like WiFi from random different vendors would be, whereas an all-Intel laptop never gave me cause to worry.
rebelSun25@reddit
Intel originated x86 and let's not kid ourselves, they benefited massively from it having a near Monopoly in the early years. AMD started contributing very early and even paid license to Intel. This has nothing to do with shared contributions but they're mismanagement over the last 10 years
Exciting-Ad-5705@reddit
Well Enterprise sales is what matters
cluberti@reddit
If you look at earnings breakdowns over the last 5-6 years, the only segments they list that are actually growing year over year are their foundry services and datacenter business, with a slight nod to IoT (it's growing, but it's tiny in comparison so growth of large percentages is still a very small amount, in comparison).
Exist50@reddit
Client is the only one making them money though.
cluberti@reddit
Yes, mostly through inertia, and other SoC makers are nipping at their heels. The whitespace, as it were, is not in client, and I suspect even Intel knows that.
Exist50@reddit
They may, but it doesn't seem to be a priority for them, or at least there hasn't been any coherent strategy around it. They're more focused on re-entrenching in existing markets ("core strengths"). See the churn in AI, and abandonment of dGPUs and networking.
C4Cole@reddit
AMD really got them while they were still on 14nm, 6 generations of 14nm really killed their stranglehold on high gaming performance compared to AMD. And by the time they got to 10nm AMD had 3d cache to fight them on gaming.
bad1o8o@reddit
they just killed clear linux https://www.clearlinux.org
edparadox@reddit
I mean Clear Linux was not quite contributing to FOSS ; this was a distribution by Intel for Intel.
tadfisher@reddit
It was a demo project to convince Red Hat, Ubuntu et al to bump up the minimum x86-64 microarchitecture level and turn on various compiler flags to make Intel platforms more attractive vs. ARM and to a lesser extent AMD. Intel did a lot of advocacy work like this; it creates soft power in the ecosystem.
DehydratedButTired@reddit
How do their contributions not benefit Intel, they literally set the standards for many things.
pceimpulsive@reddit
I mean sign your failure over if you want Intel! You'll wallow away into nothing!
How about be better than your competition?
TopCheddar27@reddit
Intel does submit a lot of work to open source tools.
A lot of people have taken this for granted for a while.
JVinci@reddit
Intel does that work so that open-source software works on their processors.
werpu@reddit
Which in fact benefits them in sales given how much runs on linux nowadays, that was one of the major reasons why Intel is in datacenters their out of the box support for hardware!
TopCheddar27@reddit
I'm talking actual tools that are not platform specific.
Tai9ch@reddit
This is really simple: Good open source support is the only thing Intel has going for it right now.
If this hurts open source drivers or developer tools for Intel platforms even a little, Intel can pack up their chip business right now - they'll be better off just as a TSMC competitor making Apple chips or something.
werpu@reddit
if they stop supporting their hardware as opensource in linux, they can pack in regarding datacenters and server space, interesting that this quote comes from the datacenter guy, because he should know that if they stop contributing to linux or the compilers they basically can pack in and go home!
AndreVallestero@reddit
I guess that means xess will never get open sourced like they promised
ammar_sadaoui@reddit
ohh noo
anyway
techraito@reddit
The coolest part about XeSS is that it worked with all GPUs, but only worked best with Intel. I wish DLSS had a similar function where it could be non-AI scaling for all GPUs, and AI upscaling only for the 20 series and up.
ElectronicStretch277@reddit
That's just FSR3 tbh. It wouldn't look very good.
broknbottle@reddit
This is very short sighted move and will hurt Intel. These execs are very out of touch if they don’t realize Intels contributions to open source were the last good left about the company..
tadfisher@reddit
He's absolutely wrong. Intel's rival is not AMD, it's ARM and Nvidia.
Any improvement going into open-source X86 preserves at least the possibility of Intel regaining dominance. Server and datacenter operators are not going to install proprietary bullshit to prop up Intel, they want to run Linux with their mostly-open application stack and maybe some custom patches.
The harder you make this, the easier you make it to switch to non-X86 and lose the market entirely. Intel's lead in open-source is absolutely the moat that is preserving their existence right now; Qualcomm and Ampere are still playing catch-up, and the open-source ecosystem is still not ready for ARM as long as distros and developers building for those distros are stuck on X86. That lead is vanishing by the day, and firing all the staff working in open-source is just passing the baton.
midorikuma42@reddit
Exactly. I'd go a little farther: Qualcomm et al simply don't have a culture of contributing to open-source. How many kernel patches have these ARM companies submitted? They're generally infamous for maintaining separate trees and not helping merge anything into the mainline. It's the main thing that holds back alternative roms on Android phones: anyone can easily build AOSP, but all the hardware relies on proprietary drivers that were never merged nor even made available in source form.
tadfisher@reddit
Precisely. A shorter way to put this: Intel's advantage is the open computing ecosystem they themselves created.
Particular_Traffic54@reddit
Just don't abandon wifi card drivers. Please.
dropthemagic@reddit
The only thing intel is carrying is tax payer fucking buy outs get the fuck out of the room
InformalAd202@reddit
So no one actually read the article lmao so many comments tho all unrelated to the actual topic
Square-Home5415@reddit
지금까지,intel‘s it money send me 입금한적이 있는가?.
RedditMuzzledNonSimp@reddit
Tell him that's how the taxpayers feel about him.
JRAP555@reddit
This is honestly sort of reasonable. Intel, particularly on vulnerabilities has benefitted the x86 and ARM ecosystem substantially. And the software Intel MKL and stuff like that is pretty huge. Nvidia and AMD can juice their margins because they let Intel publish the standards (ATX), do maintenance for Linux and Windows, and do damage control. That was fine when Intel had 90% market share, makes no sense now.
Exist50@reddit
All of that is to ensure people keep buying x86 processors though. Nvidia won't shed a tear at one more reason for people to switch to ARM.
JRAP555@reddit
They just gave Intel 5 billion dollars to make them CPU’s and package them. I think our Leather jacket clad friend likes x86 more than he puts on.
Exist50@reddit
The $5B bought stock, at below market rate, at that. It wasn't a CPU or packaging order.
JRAP555@reddit
They explicitly talked about the custom CPU designs in the press release.
Square-Home5415@reddit
it's,Kill release crime people All.
Exist50@reddit
Yes, but that wasn't what the money was for.
Square-Home5415@reddit
to do,interpol's a Kill theft.
ClearlyAThrowawai@reddit
If it's such a problem it seems like the solution is to talk to your "competition" and get them to agree to invest a similar amount so both of you come out ahead of your "real" competition.
If both AMD and Intel invest in open source that seems so much the better for them than to allow ARM to eat their lunch.
ammar_sadaoui@reddit
nvidia steal rays tracing technology from intel Windows driver for intel HD graphics ship
even amd CPU take X3D technology from intel CPU
poor intel 😭
Immediate_Fig_9405@reddit
I thought their main problem what their failures on the foundry side.
IgnorantGenius@reddit
That was a grift to get government money and it worked, until it didn't.
Hard2DaC0re@reddit
Maybe they prefer self-reliance now
IndomitusAethian@reddit
N100 user here. Please keep it alive. It’s an amaxing low power workhorse fir Plex and other nifty apps. K Thnx Bye
Limited_Distractions@reddit
It's a bad statement, but I read it less as being about the carrying the competition and more about Intel failing to get what it wants out of its investments
Petting-Kitty-7483@reddit
So new xess wont work on amd got it Not like it matters anymore with fsr4 on new amd cards and optiscaler for older ones
dudemanguy301@reddit
I already suspected they where never going to fulfill their promise to open source XeSS, but now it looks like they are done pretending otherwise.
LonelyResult2306@reddit
I dont think intel is in a position to be making demands