data shows that Spock is illogical
Posted by kkkan2020@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 65 comments
Posted by kkkan2020@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 65 comments
Tomaquag@reddit
I thought from the first time I saw this, it was a dumb scene. How many times do we have to see Spock "figuring out" his personal heritage choices? Been there done that. I would have rather seen Spock inform the nosy Data that they used to scramble the artificial brains of Androids like him before breakfast back in the day...
BrazenlyGeek@reddit
Well, Spock did reject the Kolinahr to go experience a thing in space.
SMc1701@reddit
Okay look. For the last time.....
Why is any object we don't understand always called a thing?
MindlessNectarine374@reddit
McCoy asked this, right? But what else should it be called?
aspazmodic@reddit
I mean, it was an orifice.
Who doesn't want to go experience one of those?
SMc1701@reddit
Spock was happy to penetrate the alien orifice
ItsSuperDefective@reddit
The V'ger orifice to be precise. He was eager to penetrate the V'ger.
Johnny_Radar@reddit
Spocks_Goatee@reddit
Can't believe him and Kirk went first, then the whole Enterprise...
KronosUno@reddit
It was only logical to penetrate the giant alien orifice.
LucaUmbriel@reddit
To be honest, I wouldn't mind one last jaunt through the old orifice.
expired-hornet@reddit
Camera cuts to Teal'c, Sam, and Daniel looking confused lol
ParmigianoMan@reddit
A thing was originally an assembly - a parliament, if you will - then came to mean something discussed at one, only later talking on its current meaning.
Curious_Orange8592@reddit
It's not, sometimes it's called a doofer, a whatsit, a whatchercallit or a you know
geirmundtheshifty@reddit
Or a jawn
factionssharpy@reddit
Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end.
adjust_the_sails@reddit
God, I love me some Spock in the Undiscovered Country.
Remarkable-Pin-8352@reddit
What you want is irrelevant. What you have chosen is at hand.
rob132@reddit
"I did not come for what you hoped. I came for what you did."
That was actually from V for vendetta but it's still a badass line
Lousyfer@reddit
My god what a poignant line
HalJordan2424@reddit
Followed by BITCH SLAPPING a phaser clear across the room!
Lost_Balloon_@reddit
Best script in all of Trek.
Retibro@reddit
Except for that bit where the communications officer with 30+ years of experience can't speak klingon. That was oof.
Acceptingoptimist@reddit
It was funny though.
Financial_Ticket_668@reddit
They have universal translators. You don't need to speak other languages.
nhowe006@reddit
Man I'm long overdue for a rewatch
opinionated-dick@reddit
I never really noticed this line watching TUC previously many times. Being a kid and all.
But one random rewatch it hit me. Spock has just summed up the outcome of his character arc. This is his resolution of his human and Vulcan side. He’s found a way to organise each facet to its best outcome.
Wyluli_Wolf@reddit
I would say reconcile rather than organize. 😉
StoicVirtue@reddit
Exactly.
"Whoever who has examined things closely to see what may be nearest to the truth, and who is able to see most acutely, and perceptively, and to explain the underlying reasons for things, that person is considered to be the most prudent and wise. Truth is the material with which virtue deals and what it is most intimately associated with."
His reaction shows he is quite wise, he's immediately thinking about what Data said and likely finding it true or at least an aspect of himself he had not considered.
Let's not forget about the other aspects of virtue though.
Kahnza@reddit
opinionated-dick@reddit
Yes. That would be better suited
HellyOHaint@reddit
Loved seeing them together. A man who is full of emotions, actively denying their existence. A man who has been told he has no capacity for emotions, longing for them constantly.
Keepontyping@reddit
Good. Writing.
lyidaValkris@reddit
and Spock being Spock, he's being very subtly cheeky.
Healthy_Incident9927@reddit
Yes, I always took it that way. He’s making a joke.
lyidaValkris@reddit
He's also teaching Data the fine art of Spock-trolling :)
LV426acheron@reddit
Spock has a very subtle character arc in the TOS movies.
In TMP, he starts off trying to purge all emotion in the Kohlinar ritual, then during the V'Ger incident he realizes that it completely lacks emotion and he doesn't want that.
Then he dies in 2 and comes back in 3 thanks to his friends, and in 4 he learns the value of emotions "Tell her, I feel fine."
Then in 6 he tells Valeris that logic is "the beginning of wisdom and not the end" which seems like he has come to balance both emotion and logic...
thus his "no regrets" comment to Data, which is not entirely logical.
blue72beetle@reddit
I like how you left out 5, because... well...., 5....
TripleStrikeDrive@reddit
The question isn't illogical. Spock never lost his humanity and can't miss something Spock always has.
j10359@reddit
On one hand, he gives a non answer, neither affirmative nor negative. As noted, it's a human expression, which would seem to suggest the answer is 'No'... and only in answering the question did Spock even realize what the answer truly was.
Capable-Pool-9326@reddit
I just watched this episode tonight
dandle@reddit
TwiceCreamed4533@reddit
Came looking for this one haha, No Ragrets, not even a single letter
ominous_squirrel@reddit
Regrets is Spock’s pet name for Nurse Chapel
PotentialPlum4945@reddit
Mass-Effect-6932@reddit
Spock is half human on his mother side Amanda Grayson. She wanted him to embrace his emotions.
Fishboney@reddit
I liked the part where Spock told Data that he aspired all of his life to be what Data had been given by design.
GeekToyLove@reddit
While regret is an emotion, having no regrets is just an expression. Spock is just likely to have picked up that saying from working about humans most of his life.
If anything ‘having no regrets’ would be a clearly and typical Vulcan state of mind as it is a choice not to have feelings about their actions or consequences of such.
I don’t see how this would make Spock illogical or any less Vulcan
Jarderino@reddit
taking regrets (or lack thereof) into account is very much a human trait, though. to a purely logical being, having "no regrets" should be irrelevant and unworthy of note. but, as this scene suggests, spock is capable of regret and takes that into consideration, even if he has made peace with his choices in order to achieve the noted lack of regrets.
medicus_au@reddit
This scene is just so perfect. Pure Star Trek.
Hullaba-Loo@reddit
"Take it sleazy."
Vindartn@reddit
I wish these two had more time on screen together.
Rhewin@reddit
Meme aside, I really wish these 2 had more screen time
Middcore@reddit
I'm sorry, I think this is kind of dumb. It's not like "no regrets" is some super unique idiom that only makes sense for humans to come up with.
thatsnotamachinegun@reddit
And even if it is, he’s half human anyway. There’s a reason Kirk said he was the most human being he’d ever come across
quigongingerbreadman@reddit
Regret is a human emotion/idea. Vulcans don't have a concept of regret because they always live by logic and have ultimate faith that as long as they choose logic over emotion their decision is always the correct decision. If all of your decisions are correct, you have nothing to regret.
Data was pointing out that by expressing the very idea of regret shows Spock has been irrevocably changed by his relationship with Humanity.
ComesInAnOldBox@reddit
Except it isn't a human emotion/idea. It's an emotion/idea, sure, but not strictly human. Spock's been spending years amongst the Romulans, after all, and most intelligent species in the galaxy have emotions, as well.
Besides, there's nothing illogical about reviewing your past actions and identifying your mistakes, figuring out where you went wrong. That's quite logical, in fact, and is essential to the learning process. Regret is just the emotional response to doing so.
Therefore, there is nothing at all illogical about Spock not having any regrets.
quigongingerbreadman@reddit
Identifying and learning from mistakes is not regret. Regret is an emotional response, not a logical one. Logic is perfectly in line with learning from past mistakes, without emotion. That is not regret.
You keep arguing in circles without understanding that.
clutzyninja@reddit
And how does that make him illogical?
quigongingerbreadman@reddit
But it is illogical to regret a logical decision no matter how it turns out. Regret is an emotional response, and therefore illogical. The Vulcan have spent generations suppressing emotions in favor of purely logical existences.
FenderMeats@reddit
Spock IS half human. Using that expression clearly proves that he has not missed his humanity. Seems perfectly logical to me
ComesInAnOldBox@reddit
This is only illogical if you feel that "regret" is purely an human concept. It isn't. In fact, it isn't even an illogical concept. Identifying where you went made a bad decision is a fairly logical process. "Regret" is just an emotion attached to that process.
So Spock saying he has no regrets isn't an illogical statement in the slightest.
bliswell@reddit
Fascinating
guardianwriter1984@reddit
Logic is the beginning of wisdom not the end.
Remarkable-Pin-8352@reddit
"Things without all remedy should be without regard: what's done is done"
This line from Macbeth encapsulates the expression "no regrets". Macbeth, as we know, was written by a Klingon.
Therefore, "no regrets" is a Klingon expression. QED.