X11 / Xorg Logo spotted in Italy !!?

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Specialist-Delay-199@reddit

They'll remove it and replace it with Wayland later this year

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Then each store inside this megamall will suddenly have doors that open differently from each other. Some of the cash registers will be installed outside, because the director just gave vague rules and not precise direction on how to build the stores. Also, you may see or not see shadows around the objects, or some of the things inside may look fuzzy or blurry.

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Indolent_Bard@reddit

Man, it really sucks that wayland had to be further fragmented, I'm not a hater but was that really the best they could come up with? I think the logic was "the display manager shouldn't be handling compositing anyway" or something like that.

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FattyDrake@reddit

It's a double-edged sword. One one side, a compositor/DE can implement protocols in a way best for their needs. The flip side, as you point out, is fragmentation. It's going to get a bit worse as Wayland progresses simply because of how much is offloaded to the compositor. Soon Gnome, KDE, Cosmic, etc. will have fundamental differences that make them better or worse for certain tasks.

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gianfrixmg@reddit

"Best for their needs" is usually translated as "works better here" and "this DE can provide some things that other DEs can't". I'm also talking about visual things: VSCode in KDE doesn't have shadows, while in GNOME it does.

Fragmentation outweighs every pro you could find and makes it even more difficult for devs to fully embrace Linux. No wonder the "Year of the Linux desktop" never properly comes. It may come by exaustion when Windows turns the spyware to eleven (no pun intended... maybe)

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Indolent_Bard@reddit

Linux being a base for 1000 distro made it impossible to support Linux agnostically. Flatpak makes it so that you can support Linux properly. Before that, it was impossible to make a distro agnostic package (snaps are Ubuntu only and the fact they won't use flatpak out of the box is yet another reason why almost nobody makes official flatpaks, stupid ubuntu.) Appimage doesn't count, they weren't as agnostic as we thought.

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AIViking@reddit

I run mint xfce, and man, app images have problems

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FattyDrake@reddit

I agree with you, the fragmentation sucks. It was already bad at the distro level. I do have to wonder if part of it is just DE's not agreeing on what should be focused on.

It goes deeper than surface-level visual things. There's some core underlying features that are implemented differently (the one I'm familiar with is color correction) which will prevent color-sensitive apps being less accurate on some DEs. It's super niche, I'll admit, but for those who care about it hope they don't mind switching DE's.

You're already starting to see it with apps built "for Gnome" or "for KDE". And soon we'll have apps built "for Cosmic."

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rmrfchik@reddit

I think fragmentation will be GNOME vs others.

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Misicks0349@reddit

X11 was also like that, it's just that everyone ended up settling with x.org after the other projects went up in smoke.

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thqloz@reddit

I may be wrong but I thought the main motivation was security, in x11 any apps can turn into a key logger / spy ware, they can access any window, listen to any key stroke.

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Amazing-Exit-1473@reddit

if you have your system compromised at the point you can turn any app into a keylogger, no software on earth will save you, neither wayland.

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thqloz@reddit

It’s not about the host system weakness, it’s about how broads are the permissions for running apps on the x server.

Any ill-intentioned application (read closed source) would have a blast collecting and selling their users data

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Amazing-Exit-1473@reddit

same for any other OS in the world.

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marrsd@reddit

That's the sales pitch, certainly. I think the main motivation was that no one on the xorg team felt they could modernise the code.

The xlibre team think differently, and think that the security issue can be fixed with Xnamespace, which seems to be inspired by, but is different from, the X11 Security Extension.

I guess we'll see what they can do.

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FriedHoen2@reddit

Also, you cannot take a photo of a product to send to your wife if you are unsure whether the store has installed a special "portal" or whether the "portal" is compatible with your phone's camera.

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gianfrixmg@reddit

At least those stores who sell garden decorations shaped like tiny people with long beards and pointy hats will look and behave the same. Some clients will be pissed that they can't express their preference on how the store looks.

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FriedHoen2@reddit

To be honest, clients can change the appearance of the stores in many ways thanks to extensions for shelves, furniture and even the cash register provided by third parties, but they will have great difficulty changing the appearance of the windows. However, everything will shatter every six months.

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Amazing-Exit-1473@reddit

also, clients pays 'money' for things.

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waltercool@reddit

And windows will act weird

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3G6A5W338E@reddit

Clients will show up and hang their own decoration in the mall.

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Mars_Bear2552@reddit

and i'll get pissed at them for using the wrong cursor theme

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gianfrixmg@reddit

You'll get into a store and suddenly your hands will instantly get very small or very big. As soon as you get out of there they will return normal.

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RoxyAndBlackie128@reddit

you enter a store that's been there for quite a while and you become pixelated and very small until you leave.

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Mars_Bear2552@reddit

(it also looks incredibly ugly because it uses adwaita)

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CrazyKilla15@reddit

They'll put christmas decorations up even though it isnt even Halloween yet, and they'll stay up until Easter!

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mooky1977@reddit

They would, but it's currently missing some key accessibility features.

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nakurtag@reddit

And the mall will disappear, because your city is using NVIDIA

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gosand@reddit

Which is one of the WORST logos ever.

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walkingarrow@reddit

Honestly I switched to hyprland yesterday after my i3wm setup completely broke including picom and stuff. Luckily it is like a 4 command setup and changing the keybinds to i3wm ones

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Amazing-Exit-1473@reddit

last week i wrote a filter in ublock, my feed of r/unixporn is free from hyperland now.

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bawng@reddit

Except one store that will jump to XLibre and ban trans people.

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Specialist-Delay-199@reddit

XLibre bans trans people?

From the README it looks like they even invote trans people lol

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bawng@reddit

No, not overtly but the maintainer claimed something about X being shut down because RedHat is woke or something like that.

So I just took it a bit further for comedic effect.

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FriedHoen2@reddit

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver?tab=readme-ov-file#youre-welcome

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iwenttothelocalshop@reddit

associated with KDE Plasma taskbar icon

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MrHighVoltage@reddit

Also, it is definitely the year of the Parco Commerciale....

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RhubarbSimilar1683@reddit

Before ai image gemerators this was fairly common outside the US. A "graphic designer" would search for a logo on the internet and pass it off as their own, maybe make a few changes and then charge for it

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Fancy-nickname-123@reddit

Holy shit, it's not too far where I live! I'm going to visit it as a sacred place.

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pixsa@reddit

Post your address haha

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Fancy-nickname-123@reddit

Sure 127.0.0.1

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mnemonic_carrier@reddit

Did you manage to take any photos?

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Fancy-nickname-123@reddit

Not yet, I'm going to go during the weekend.

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helpImBoredAgain_@reddit

RemindMe! 14 days

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djsushi123@reddit

RemindMe! 7 days

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cla7997@reddit

Following this just in case

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thinkpader-x220@reddit

Post a photo when you get there!

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PcChip@reddit

u/fancy-nickname-123 where's the photo? we need to see it!

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Fancy-nickname-123@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1o0mhw8/comment/niee1gg/

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Liarus_@reddit

Definitely take a picture

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InsensitiveClown@reddit

Totally normal. I saw a UNIX fingernails spa in Ginza in Tokyo. I kid you not. Ah, they're still in business and expanding to hair salons: https://www.unix.co.jp/

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Darkhog@reddit

And then, there's this.

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JimmytheGeek71@reddit

So THAT'S how The Linux Foundation is funded these days...

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KlePu@reddit

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_(Waschmittel)

2nd paragraph, translated via deepl:

The manufacturer of the detergent seems to have a preference for names from the world of computers. As “accessories” to Linux, there is also a stain remover called Mäc oxi (cf. Mac OS X) and a fabric softener called micro&soft (cf. Microsoft).

I'm from Germany and this is a) news to me and b) hilarious

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InsensitiveClown@reddit

Oh wow, I have to get that one to give a new meaning to having my washing machine running on Linux.

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superpj@reddit

Do they still have the Linux Cafe in Akihabara?

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InsensitiveClown@reddit

I didn't notice it the last time, so I'm not sure. It was there around 2010 though.

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superpj@reddit

I think the last time I walked by was a few months before covid hit but doors were all covered and then my visa got messed up so I haven't been back since.

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Icy_Pollution_2178@reddit

Fun fact: it's located near Gardaland, Italy's most famous amusement park, does the suffix -land mean anything to you?

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EnragedButterfly@reddit

The land of the Garda, the Irish police.

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send_me_a_naked_pic@reddit

I'm team Mirabilandia and I'd say it's as famous as Gardaland. Too bad Mirabilandia has been acquired by a Spanish company and now it's in a pitiful state.

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TrickyHurry9020@reddit

nope, I suppose they just copied it from "Disneyland"

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valerielynx@reddit

me and the boys pulling up to the xorg function

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mguinhos@reddit

Waaiitt. Did twitter stole xorg logo also?

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Tudubahindo@reddit

Does anybody know why it's there?

„Hey Giovanni, did you contact a graphic designer to design the logo for the new mall?“

„Oh mamma mia Alberto, I totally forgot? What do we do now?“

„Worry not, let me open this new ,Google‘ website and I will search some logo with an X (ics in italian is the enounciation of the letter x). Here it is! We will use this one, pictures on the Internet are free to use anyways I believe“

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Laura_The_Cutie@reddit

I'm italian, sounds plausible

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Middle_Personality_3@reddit

I remember buying a tooth brush in Italy that had a tux printed on it.

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oscarfinn_pinguin3@reddit

There also was a fork with Tux on it

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Tux-wmf-gabel-vorne.jpg

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Vice_Quiet_013@reddit

Say what?

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dangling_chads@reddit

Tux .. the Linux mascot.

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Vice_Quiet_013@reddit

Oh yes, him.

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Holiday_Ad_8907@reddit

2 guys from Naples trademarked the name Steve Jobs after they figured out Apple didn't, then Apple took the to court and lost lol

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CantankerousOrder@reddit

Quick! Find that toothbrush and open an Amazon store.

Take our monies!

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fecoz98@reddit

it's an open source toothbrush, its ok

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NeuroXc@reddit

This is the internet, there is probably a market for that too

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Nikz0_@reddit

I…. NEEEED IT

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CleoCommunist@reddit

Me too, it does

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ParticularNet2254@reddit

Italian too, very plausible.

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genna87@reddit

Can confirm

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zman0900@reddit

Probably needs more 🤌

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nandospc@reddit

Lol, knowing my fellow countrymen, that's definitely how it went! 😂

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AbletonUser333@reddit

Guarantee this is extremely close to the truth.

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Tiernoon@reddit

A shop around the corner from me that advertises air-conditioning uses the Linux penguin on their sign. They absolutely just googled cartoon penguin or something.

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tallsamurai@reddit

Sounds about right

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mihalis@reddit

You aren't probably too far from the truth. I remember ICS was a company that used to provide commercial support for Motif. I vaguely remember they had an interactive Motif GUI development tool many years ago.

Let me check...

Ok, not sure of the details but looks like ICS has the commercial license for Motif and they provide commercial support for legacy Motif applications.

https://motif.ics.com/motif/
https://motif.ics.com/

Maybe ICS had an X11 logo on a previous version of their website.

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HugoNikanor@reddit

The banner of "Free Software" doesn't help. I can definitely see how someone might misread "Free Software Logo" as "Free (to use) logo (which happens to be used by this software)"..

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davcose@reddit

Same thing happened at Twitter

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ExtensionVegetable63@reddit

X Logo >>> Wayland Logo

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cadhn@reddit

Wayland - Building Better Widgets

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zman0900@reddit

Wayland has a logo?

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Exernuth@reddit

Yup, and it frankly sucks a bit.

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__konrad@reddit

Unfortunately: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Wayland_Logo.svg

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Both-River-9455@reddit

Looks like someone ejaculated on an omlette.

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CrazyKilla15@reddit

Excellent comment, allow me to award you this Winner badge

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FriedHoen2@reddit

I'm sorry I don't have any prizes to give you, but this is the best comment on the Wayland logo in the last 18 years.

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mihalis@reddit

That's a terrible logo.

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VividGiraffe@reddit

You have to make it yourself.

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rajrdajr@reddit

🥁

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Storyshift-Chara-ewe@reddit

yellow w

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Bluewater795@reddit

Seriously Wayland's logo is so ugly

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naufalap@reddit

maybe it'll get better once it mergers with Yutani

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FattyDrake@reddit

I'm almost convinced Wayland's logo is ugly to get app developers to fix how their logos display under Wayland.

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FriedHoen2@reddit

I don't think so, since initially Wayland wasn't even supposed to have a logo for windows, or even window decorations. And to be honest, not even windows.

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jacobgkau@reddit

I don't think it's too bad. It reminds me of the "M" graffiti from Super Mario Sunshine.

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Darkhog@reddit

It literally looks like pool of puke someone jizzed all over.

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IonTichy@reddit

X Name >>>>> Wayland Name

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AlixNull@reddit

as an italian, idk why they copied the x11 logo ( i think i saw it once before, then never again, so its not famous, i remember it being in Garda), but hope they put KDE soon or something

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Quietech@reddit

Strong A&W vibes.

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Purple74@reddit

It’s a free logo. As in free speech, not free beer.

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archa347@reddit

I saw Tux being used for an HVAC company logo in Portugal the other day https://www.facebook.com/regiclima/

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send_me_a_naked_pic@reddit

IIRC the Tux logo is not free to use.

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arduheltgalen@reddit

Uh-oh, I've seen Tux with bandoliers of bullets and guns!

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aquarat@reddit

We used to use an aircon service company that had Tux as their logo…

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_ttnk_@reddit

Peschiera? I was there two weeks ago and noticed it as well 😁

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134erik@reddit

As you can see it sits on top of all these other apps

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justarandomguy902@reddit

As an Italian myself: WHAT THE FUCK I GOTTA GO SEE THAT

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crypticexile@reddit

just let it die ffs, wayland is the future

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tanda_the_kidd@reddit

off topic bona la piadineria

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Kintaro81@reddit

Dai per favore… il franchise de “la piadineria” anche no! Da romagnolo allora preferisco farmela in casa con la piadina pronta del supermercato.

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Davis_Schina@reddit

La prima cosa a cui ho pensato vedendo questo post

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lucabianco@reddit

LOL!
I've been there, but I never noticed the sign! I was probably still confused by the silly highway interchange

The link above is not working for me, found it here:

https://www.google.it/maps/place/45°26'03.7"N+10°42'33.9"E

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DYMAXIONman@reddit

Should have sued twitter.

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songocraft@reddit

it looked cool for their eyes

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Professional_Oil8153@reddit

Let us all agree wayland is better

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dsn0wman@reddit

When sending your X session to Italy, be sure to use compression.

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Tiger_man_@reddit

i saw an oil station in greece using html5 logo

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit

Where? Asking for a friend

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Tiger_man_@reddit

crete, somewhere near chania

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Alokir@reddit

One of the biggest car parts retailer in Hungary is called Unix.

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chic_luke@reddit

I live quite close to this landmark, AMA

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daghene@reddit

Cose totalmente random della vita: vedere una foto fatta a Peschiera su r/linux

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chic_luke@reddit

Peschiera ultimo bastione di Xorg

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superpj@reddit

Which GUI do you use? Am I wrong in feeling like Sicily is to Italy what XFCE is to Gnome?

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chic_luke@reddit

I run GNOME, very close to vanilla. I love it - I think it works great for development workflows, because the way virtual workspaces and secondary monitors are handled is the most intuitive I've tried by far, and modern GTK applications provide a pleasant and consistent look. It may not be the best for crazy visual customizations, but I think it's seriously up to the task of handling a lot different windows at the same time with the least friction possible.

Xfce was the first desktop environment I ran outside of a virtual machine (first considering VMs was Unity), so it holds a special place in my heart. Sicily is pretty goated, so I'd say your comparison is apt.

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superpj@reddit

I've been using XFCE since around 2002 when I was gifted a crappy laptop and decided to go with Slackware built from the kernel using a huge stack of diskettes. It will always be special to me. Also I lived in Palermo for a little bit and was using Xubuntu on my work laptop. Between the graffiti, loud music until 4am and car fires I felt like I was right back in Florida but with better food.

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Fhymi@reddit

why do you live so close to this landmark?

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chic_luke@reddit

the energy emanated by this landmark is probably what caused me to install Linux in the first place

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daghene@reddit

I live nearby, saw this a bunch of times and was definitely NOT expecting to see it posted here.

As others mentioned it's not uncommon for some businesses to hire cheap designers, which are usually a cousin of a friend's relative or something, and no one bothers to check these things.

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blue_screen_0f_death@reddit

The shopping center name is "ICS" which is how we pronounce "X" in Italian. Therefore I assume they just google images an "X" logo and stolen it ahah.

It appears to be an old shopping center, probably from early 2000s I would guess, so nobody thought about copyright probably

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Booty_Bumping@reddit

so nobody thought about copyright probably

A lot of times, when a random open source logo gets re-used in an unrelated knockoff, it's because someone literally google searched "open source logo", "free license logo", or "royalty free logo" and just automatically assumed that the results are all free to use for any purpose. So if that's what happened, they were thinking of copyright, just not carefully enough.

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