The Full Timeline of Xena: Warrior Princess(‘s Backstory)
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Last year, I made a video where I attempted to put every single event ever mentioned as part of Xena’s backstory into chronological order.
That is, obviously, both impossible and highly subjective, because the timeline of Xena’s past demonstrates little to no consistency. Still, the attempt was cheerfully made, and I was even lucky enough to have Steven L Sears respond with some very kind comments about it.
This post is a replication of those conclusions in written format.
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25 to 30 Years Before Series Start
- Amphipolis (S01E01) - Xena is born in Amphipolis to an innkeeper named Cyrene and (allegedly) a warrior named Atrius. Her grandparents are farmers (Old Ares Had A Farm, S06E10). She has a younger brother named Lyceus (Remember Nothing, S02E02) and an older brother named Toris (Death Mask, S01E23).
- She grows up a wild child, learning swordplay and fishing (Fins Femmes and Gems, S03E17) with her brothers, befriending a young girl named Flora (The Black Wolf, S01E11), presumably fending off the flirtations of Maphias (Remember Nothing, S02E02), etc.
- Atrius comes home from war unexpectedly, has a Fury-induced mental breakdown and tries to murder Xena. Cyrene kills him (The Furies, S03E01).
More Than Ten Years Before S01E12
- Sparta (Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifts, S01E12) - Xena befriends Helen “in Sparta, before the [Trojan] war.” The war then lasts for ten years.
- In Hercules Trading Card #6 (‘Xena’), the unfilmed Xena pilot script, and a Xena comic book entitled ’Plowshares Into Swords,’ it is suggested that Xena’s father was a Spartan or Mycenean warrior, or perhaps a king. Similarly, a dropped plotline from the first season supposedly involved Xena’s search for her father. These factors could account for Xena’s presence in the area.
Precisely Eleven Years Before S02E02
- Cortese Attacks Amphipolis (Death Mask, S01E23) - A warlord named Cortese threatens to attack Amphipolis. Xena and Lyceus rally the young men of their generation to fight back rather than surrender.
- This may be when Xena has her first kill, a man named Termin (Dreamworker, S01E03).
- This is also when Lyceus and many of those young men die, leading Cyrene and the villagers to blame Xena for their deaths. Xena leaves Amphipolis under duress, presumably with a small fighting force (Sins of the Past, S01E01).
As Months Pass
- Raiding Around Amphipolis (Death Mask, S01E23) - Having lost her brother and her home, emotionally deadened and later saying she “didn’t have time to feel anything,” Xena starts attacking villages around her hometown in order to create a “buffer zone,” protecting Amphipolis against future attack.
- She also attacks Stagira (Destiny, S02E12), her hometown’s “ancient enemy.”
- Engagement in Thrace (A Fistful of Dinars, S01E14) - Xena is engaged to a man named Petracles, who later “wins” the seduction game and leaves her. This is the first time that she is betrayed by someone she is romantically entangled with.
- She also knows men named Lycus, Klonig, and Thersites. They are looking for the Lost Treasure of Sumeria, which secretly includes the Titan’s Key to the Hall of Ambrosia near the fictional Mt Poulis.
- Mt Poulis is potentially mentioned as being near Troy (BoGBG, S01E12), in Anatolia, but it is not implied that Xena traveled there at this time.
“Ten Winters” Before S02E12
- Neapolitis a.k.a. Kavala (Destiny, S02E12) - Xena’s army has taken to the sea. They raid a coastal town and she warns the townspeople that while they’re “free to go,” she will attack any enemy of Amphipolis.
- Xena takes a prisoner named Julius Caesar. She believes that she has successfully seduced him, and that he sees her the way that she sees herself; as an equal. They part ways when his ransom is paid, promising to meet again.
- She also has a stowaway named M'Lila, who teaches her the famous “pinch” and also a bit of humility.
- Xena never purposely kills non-combatant women or children, but she actively seems to enjoy fighting and looting, and her actions are moving farther and farther from their original stated purpose.
As Months Pass
- ***Goliath?
- *** The Ark-Bearers?
- Betrayal on a Beach (Destiny, S02E12) - Caesar returns. As it turns out, he does not see Xena as his equal, but rather as one of “Rome’s conquered.” He betrays her, kills all of her men and presumably with them her last physical ties to Amphipolis, crucifies her, breaks her legs, and leaves her to die humiliated on the beach. Xena is left realizing for the first time that she’s a very small fish in a very big pond.
- Doctor Niklio on Mt Nestos (Destiny, S02E12) - M'Lila, who is under zero obligation to be loyal or compassionate to Xena, rescues her from the beach and brings her to a doctor on the fictional Mt Nestos, “north of the Strymon River,” likely near the Nestos River.
- Caesar’s men track them down before Xena’s legs can be fully healed. M'Lila, the last person alive from Xena’s crew and the last person to show her any kindness, is murdered in front of her.
- “A new Xena is born” who has had a very bad day and just wants to kill people.
- ***Ares?
- Traveling East (The Debt, S03E06) - Her entire army dead, Xena, with “shattered legs and crippled soul,” leaves Greece for the first time and goes east to “lose myself in vengeance - not against Caesar, but the entire human race.”
- She falls in with Borias and presumably his army, steals him away from his wife and child (The Last of the Centaurs, S06E17) which he is also obviously to blame for, and they spend a while encouraging each other’s worst impulses and being mutually toxic.
- Actor Marton Csokas is of Hungarian descent and production confirmed that Borias was of Hunnish origin, but there is no in-universe evidence that Xena met Borias north of Greece in the Hunnic Empire as opposed to east of Greece on the path to China.
Precisely Ten Years Before S02E03
- ***Goliath in The Levant (The Giant Killer, S02E03) - Xena fights with a friendly giant named Goliath against an evil giant named Gareth. When Xena is injured Goliath saves her, and his family is murdered. They “vowed ten years ago to meet in this place. "This place” is where a young King David and the Israelites are later battling the Philistines, which places it generally in the Levant.
- Assuming that “Ten Winters Ago” (Destiny, S02E12) takes place prior to the “ten years ago” mentioned in this episode, this event would have to occur after the raid on Neapolitis.
- Also, assuming that Xena and Goliath met near Jerusalem, this encounter would have to take place on the path eastward toward China. This possibly implies that Xena left Greece by ship and landed in the Middle East.
- However, this event occurring after Neapolitis does not necessarily mean it also occurs after Caesar’s betrayal, as there is a small implied time gap. Similarly, the quote, “We vowed ten years ago to meet in this place,” does not mean that Xena and Goliath were in “this place” at the time of the vow. The battle against Gareth could therefore have also happened in Greece, when Xena was still of a disposition to be making friends with strangers and had two uninjured legs to rely on while fighting an evil giant.
- ***The Ark-Bearers in The Levant 2.0 (A Royal Couple of Thieves, S01E17) - When Xena is “young,” she is wounded in battle. She is then fed, healed, and protected by a group of people carrying the Ark of the Covenant.
- If both this encounter and Xena’s encounter with Goliath took place near Jerusalem, these events could even refer to injuries from the same battle.
- Unfortunately, placing both battles post-Caesar but pre-China would beg the question of where Borias was at this time. Perhaps they were briefly separated.
- On the flip side, disconnecting the Ark-Bearers from the giants would mean Xena could have met them literally anywhere in Greece at any time when she was “young.”
As Months Pass
- ***Ares?
- Chin a.k.a. China (The Debt, S03E06) - The battles get larger, the stakes get higher, they get farther from home, and Xena’s ambitions get bigger. She’s at her most feral and most wild here, probably has the least self-respect she’s ever had, and given that her legs never healed properly, she’s also at her least physically powerful.
- Xena puts a lot of heads on spikes and starts plotting with Borias against the Ming and the Lao. She kidnaps Ming Tien, the Ming leader’s son, without Borias’s knowledge or consent.
- Borias hands Xena over to the enemy for execution. He is the third and final man romantically involved with Xena to ever betray her.
- Lao Ma rescues and heals Xena, nearly pulling her back from the edge. But power, as always, is too tempting. Xena goes back to Borias, to her army, and to her old ways.
- Siberia (Adventures in the Sin Trade, S04E01) - Xena and Borias move north to Siberia. Xena discovers that she is pregnant with Solan.
- The shamaness Alti is a corrupting influence, telling Xena she could be the “Destroyer of Nations” and encouraging her darkest impulses.
- Xena keeps gaining new powers (e.g. from the Northern Amazons) and keeps killing (e.g. the Northern Amazons). At Alti’s urging, Cyane, the Amazon queen, is the first person Xena actively betrays and murders on-screen.
- Alti also tells Xena about the powerful Ixion Stone, prompting her to go back to Greece.
- ***Byblosa a.k.a. Byblos (Blind Faith, S02E18) - Xena invades Byblosa and sets “the oil reserves on fire.”
- It makes sense if this happens as Xena returns to Greece from the east, but the event being referenced as “a few years ago” also suggests it could be more recent.
- Byblos was a city in Lebanon known for its production of olive oil.
- ***Glaphyra in Anatolia (The Dirty Half Dozen, S03E03) - Returning to Greece, Xena meets a young woman named Glaphyra, who is young and eager to see the world. She later ends up a slaver.
- “Glaphyra” is the name of a historical Cappodocian princess, but this also could have happened literally anywhere at any time.
- ***Ares (The Reckoning, S01E06) - At some point Ares starts whispering in Xena’s ear. This most likely, but not provably, takes place both after Caesar and within the borders of Greece.
“Nine Years” Before S02E01
- Battle of Corinth (Orphan of War, S02E01) - At war with the centaurs, Xena and Borias lay siege to Corinth, which is in the northeast Peloponnese, toward the south of Greece. Xena wants the power of the Ixion Stone to secure her destiny as Destroyer of Nations. She’s a little less wild than she was in China and Siberia, but just as bloodthirsty.
- Borias is increasingly worried, but the balance of power has shifted now; the army is generally following Xena’s orders, and she’s not listening to him anymore either. Borias splits from her for the last time in order to save the centaurs, but Xena is still badly shocked by his death, which was orchestrated without her knowledge by Satrina (Past Imperfect, S04E09).
- Xena gives birth to Solan without her son’s father. He is the first truly pure thing she’s created in a very long time, and in a moment of clarity, Xena knows the best thing she can do for Solan is get him away from her. Xena gives her son to a centaur, who later tells her, “You aren’t the woman I faced ten years ago.” The same centaur says that, “For nine years Solan has been my son.”
- ???
- Now Xena is post-partum, without her son, partner dead, army depleted, battle lost, and the Ixion Stone beyond her grasp.
- Thalassa’s Village (Locked Up and Tied Down, S04E07) - Thalassa gets eaten by crabs, despite Xena not intending to kill her. Oops!
- This could have happened anywhere at any time, but for fun we can place Shark Island at Makronisos Island, the site of an infamous political prison in the 20th century, which lies east of Corinth across the Saronic Gulf. If Thalassa’s village was near or in view of Shark Island, this would in turn place it around the archaeological site at Cape Sounion.
- In the flashback scenes to this event, Xena has no Chakram. She appears rougher around the edges than during her introduction in Hercules, but arguably seems less wild than during her time in China. She is not wearing the outfit she bore in China, Siberia, or Corinth. Instead, she is wearing the same outfit that she later sports during the Hercules crossover time-travel episode set in Cirra (Armageddon Now: Part 2, HERC S04E14).
Approximately Eight Years Before Season Two
- Failed Homecoming in Amphipolis (Sins of the Past, S01E01) - In the pilot, Xena mentions, “I wanted to come home. I thought maybe this time I could get it right.”
- My unconventional hypothesis here is that Xena, post-partum and struggling with loss, army diminished and at loose ends, possibly even feeling guilt for Thalassa’s death, tried to come home to Cyrene and it did not go well.
- This is never directly evidenced on-screen, but it works handily as an excuse for Xena to return to Thrace and participate in events there that do not 'fit’ her pre-Caesar era.
- Specifically, it supports the idea that she rides away from Amphipolis in a particularly careless state of mind due to her fury and emotional turmoil, and her next village raid goes very, very wrong.
- ***Ares Gives Xena the Chakram?
- Cirra a.k.a. Serres (Callisto, S01E22) - Xena raids the village of Cirra. A fire breaks out and destroys everything, killing many women and children, which again was not Xena’s intent.
- Cirra is located very close to Amphipolis, and this event needs to take place far enough in the past that Callisto has time to grow up.
- In the Hercules crossover episode (Armageddon Now: Part 2, HERC S04E14), which may or may not count as canonical, Xena is wearing the same outfit she wore in Thalassa’s village. She has already given birth to Solan. Her characterization, while less feral than China-era Xena, is more in line with her Corinth era than it is with her Valkyrie era or Hercules era.
- She also has a lieutenant named Darphus, whose only other appearance is in her Hercules introduction episodes, but this scene cannot take place in that era because Callisto needs more time to grow up. We have to assume that Darphus briefly fell in with Xena’s army, parted ways with her quickly after Cirra, and they only reunited again many years later. Alternatively, we can hand-wave his inclusion as a mistake.
- The attacks on Thalassa’s village and on Cirra both feature a loss of control, care, or forethought that lead to unintended casualties, suggesting they may have happened in a transitional period or a time of turmoil in Xena’s life. This could even be motivation for Xena, after several years of enthusiastic slaughter and mayhem, to double down on her original promise to never kill civilian women or children.
- This could also be, though of course doesn’t have to be, her impetus to leave Greece again.
- Unfortunately, the Hercules crossover episode also shows Xena in possession of the Chakram in Cirra, even though she did not have it in China, Siberia, Corinth, or Thalassa’s village. This means that either Ares gifted the Chakram to her immediately before Cirra, perhaps because he sensed her conviction wavering and wanted to tempt her back into evil with a shiny new toy, or that the Chakram’s inclusion needs to be completely hand-waved away as a mistake.
- Xena Blinds A Cyclops (Sins of the Past, S01E01) - The blind cyclops introduced in the pilot episode is located somewhere between Potidaea in southern Thrace and Amphipolis in northeastern Thrace.
- Assuming that he stayed in the same location since being blinded, and taking into account that blinding a cyclops would be difficult for a young Xena with a fledgling army immediately post-Cortese, this works with the theory that Xena rode north to Thrace again at some point.
- It would also be significantly easier to blind a cyclops using a Chakram than it would with a regular weapon.
Approximately Seven Years Before Season Two
- The Western Mountains (The Price, S02E20) - Leaving Greece again, Xena encounters the Horde in the “mountains” the “first time my army went west.” Half of her army is demolished and she seems genuinely disturbed, perhaps even frightened, to remember this encounter.
- Worth noting that the Horde as a design concept is incredibly problematic and has not aged well.
- For the sake of having a definitive place to put this on a map, we could use the Dinaric Alps, a chain of mountains that connects Albania to Italy to the northwest of Greece.
- Following this rout by the Horde, we are left with a Xena who is traveling west of Greece for the first time in her life, has been robbed of half her army, and is a bit freaked out by the savagery she just witnessed. Alongside Solan’s birth, Borias’s death, and Cirra, this could easily indicate an ongoing turning point in her life as a warlord.
- ***Ares?
- ***Kal’s Temple Near Mt Amaro, Italy (Chakram, S05E02) - Ares steals the Dark Chakram from Kal’s temple near Mt. Amaro in Italy.
- We do not know if Xena was present in the temple, or even in the country, for this event. We also don’t know whether she was actively involved in the theft.
- However, it makes sense that Xena started using the Chakram as she shifted into a more solo style of travel.
Approximately Six Years Before Season Two
- The Norselands (The Rheingold, S06E07) - The next time we see Xena she is traveling solo in northwestern Europe, possesses the Chakram for the first time on-screen (not counting the Hercules depiction of Cirra), and is less feral but just as power-hungry as she was in China.
- To save Xena from having to travel too far into Scandanavia, we could perhaps place this in modern-day Denmark.
- Apparently Xena came to the Norselands from a land in the east and “she called it Chin,” but it is literally impossible that this took place directly after China. She has no Borias, no baby bump, no army, and she has the Chakram. We can assume, therefore, that Xena just happened to mention China after her arrival in the Norselands.
- During the Rheingold saga Xena is playing smart, playing nice, and taking the lessons of seduction and betrayal that were taught to her at a younger age and turning them to her advantage. With Odin and the Valkyrie and the Rhein Maidens, she pretends to be their friend or their lover in order to get what she wants.
- Gaul (The Deliverer, S03E04) - Traveling south from the Norselands and still in western Europe, Xena encounters Boudica in Gaul and pretends to be her friend in order to take her army.
- For funsies we could place this in Alesia, in modern-day France, the site of the most famous battle between the Gallic tribes and the Roman Empire.
- ***Torrence?
Approximately Five Years Before Season Two
- Returning to Eastern Europe (The Dirty Half Dozen, S03E03) - Traveling eastward back toward Greece, Xena trains a man named Walsim, who she would eventually introduce to Thersites, to be an assassin. This is the first time we see her acting as a sort of mentor-type figure.
- Massalia was an ancient Greek colony in southern France, so we can place this there.
- “Walsin” is the name of a French historical figure who was in service to a Hungarian royal family, so we can label Walsim the assassin as being of ambiguously European, non-Greek origin.
- ***Torrence?
- Marcus in Italy 2.0 (The Path Not Taken, S01E05) - Xena meets a mercenary named Marcus, who has a Roman name and is therefore potentially also from the Italian Peninsula.
- While Marcus later asks after Xena’s mother and assumes she won’t kill innocent people, suggesting they may have first been acquainted very early on in her warlord journey and much closer to Amphipolis, he fits better into the timeline and the geography here. Perhaps during this time period Xena has mellowed slightly.
- Marcus may be the first (living) pre-series lover of Xena’s who she is genuinely still fond of.
- Darnelle in Italy (The Dirty Half Dozen, S03E03) - Still traveling east, Xena continues down the Italian peninsula. She meets Darnelle in a “small village” and trains him to be a gladiator.
- Sicily (The Path Not Taken, S01E05) - Xena steals weapons from someone named Aescalus.
- This scheme is mentioned later by the warlord Mezentius, whom Marcus is then working for, making it plausible that Marcus witnessed it first-hand and was the one to tell Mezentius the story.
- Historically, Aeschylus was a Greek poet and Persian War veteran.
- For fun, we can place this in Sicily where the historical Aeschylus passed away, and assume it was Xena’s last stop before continuing east to Greece.
- We can also assume that she brings Walsim, Darnelle, Marcus, and several others back to Greece with her. She may also still be leading Boudica’s old army.
- Increasingly, Xena is doing less straight-up rampaging and more trickery or manipulation.
Approximately Four Years Before Season Two
- Return to Greece (The Path Not Taken, S01E05) - Xena returns to central Greece and starts the last “arc” of her pre-Hercules backstory. She has been gone from the area for several years and has evolved notably since then.
- ***The Battle of Torrence (Judgment Day, HERC S03E15) - Ares considers the Battle of Torrence one of his “greatest triumphs.” Apparently “ten thousand corpses littered the battlefield” after Xena “led her army through the opponent’s infantry like flies. Limbs were scattered everywhere. It was beautiful.”
- There is no ancient Greek city called Torrence.
- The name 'Torrence’ is of Scottish origin. Xena has never been to Scotland, though admittedly she has been to Gaul, and it’s possible that in Xena-verse there was a Scottish settlement called Torrence in Gaul, but just trying to parse that possibility is making my brain crazy.
- The name may also be referring to Turin in Italy or Tiryns in the Peloponnesian Peninsula in southern Greece, or may be made up wholesale.
- It’s hard to imagine that Xena could participate in a Greek battle with ten thousand casualties and still being a no-name to Hercules when he first meets her.
- However, a battle of this size would provide us with a convenient opportunity to start paring down the size of Xena’s army.
- Riding with Zagreas (A Day In The Life, S02E15) - Xena “used to ride with Zagreas. He has nerves of mush and wouldn’t trust his own grandmother.”
- Gregan tells Draco, who Xena has been flirting with under Cupid’s influence (A Comedy of Eros, S02E22), that Xena “played the same sort of mind games with Zagreas. She tricked him into losing his whole army.” This could be a reference to the recent events with Zagreas and Gareth, but those mind games involved zero flirting, so I choose to interpret this as a separate incident.
- If Xena lost a lot of men on a battlefield in Torrence, and/or on a battlefield fighting Bacchus, she would need to get a new army from somewhere.
- The Bacchae (Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, S02E04) - Xena fights against Bacchus and tries to save Eurydice, who is trapped between their armies and had previously tried to befriend Xena. Eurydice dies and Orpheus blames Xena for her death.
- This accidental death of another innocent woman, during a fight against a monstrous deity, may lead Xena to again re-affirm the principles she espouses during her Hercules trilogy; they do not kill non-combatant women or children.
- She’s still not a good person. As is the ongoing issue with Xena, she genuinely enjoys the thrill of a fight and she genuinely wants power. She’s had a dozen chances to change her ways, but there has always been an army for her to go back to, more power to grasp for, and more reason to keep digging herself downward.
- This battle may or may not take place in the same Bacchae Forest that appears during the second season. Bacchus was from Thebes, which is where Hercules’ mother may have lived, meaning this could lead us into the events of those episodes.
- On the flip side, the myth states that Eurydice died in the valley of the River Pineios in Thessaly, central Greece, so we could place this event there as well.
- It also gives us another reason for Xena to have lost a lot of men, bringing us closer to the minor numbers that we see when she first meets Hercules.
- Parting Ways (The Path Not Taken, S01E05) - Marcus loses track of Xena “after the raid on Symbius,” which may also be spelled “Sympius” or “Semples” or “Semplese” or “Simpius” or refer to aquatic animals attached to the mouthparts of cold-water lobsters.
- They may have parted ways sooner after reaching Greece, but it’s fun to suppose that when Marcus discussed Xena not wanting innocent people to die, he was partially referring to Eurydice.
Approximately Three Years Before Season Two
- Continued Warlording (Sins of the Past, S01E01) - Xena meets up with a warlord named Draco who wants to be with her “in love or in battle,” but she won’t give him “the satisfaction of either.” He picks “the wrong woman to get rough with” and she gives him a scar on his cheek.
- They may or may not have been romantically linked during this time period. Notably, while Xena is happy to get down with the bad boys and use sex to get what she wants, she hasn’t been romantically under anyone’s thumb in a very long time.
- During this period Xena likely re-establishes her connections in Greece and becomes more friendly with the hometown warlord crowd. She still wants to rule Greece, still is happy to slaughter her way across the countryside, but for whatever reason news of her major exploits in Corinth and 'Torrence’ have still not reached Hercules. None of her original army or Borias’s army and little of Boudica’s army remain.
- It’s unlikely that Xena was warlording with Draco and Marcus simultaneously.
- Fighting in Nespa (Death in Chains, S01E09) - A man named Toxeus saw Xena “fight in Nespa a while back.”
- There is no ancient Greek city called Nespa.
- Nespa was also the location of a Hercules episode featuring a centaur named Nemis. Nemis is a mythological figure whose brother Nessus was the ferryman for the River Evinos, and the River Evinos is right at the entryway between central Greece and the Peloponnesian Peninsula to the south. We can place this event there and use it as a marker for Xena heading south into the peninsula.
- Shelter for Wounded Men (Altared States, S01E19) - Xena uses some caves as shelter for her wounded men.
- This could be literally anywhere at any time, but for funsies I’ve put it in the Kastria Cave Lakes in the northern Peloponnese.
- Warrior Princess of the Kalmai a.k.a. Kalamata (The Price, S02E20) - An Athenian soldier calls Xena the “warrior princess of the Kalmai” and then that word is never mentioned ever again.
- Kalamai is an older name for the city of Kalamata, which is on the southwestern coast of the Peloponnese.
- Apparently something happens here that one Athenian will remember years down the line but that Hercules will not have heard of any time before then. Idk.
- ***Torrence?
Approximately Two Years Before Season Two
- Arcadia in the Peloponnese (The Warrior Princess, HERC S01E09) - Xena is hell-bent on “conquering Arcadia” in the central Peloponnese.
- Hercules now has a pretty firmly established foothold as a powerful protector of people in Greece, and Xena decides it’s time to go after him in order to clear that particular blockade from the playing field. She may even believe what she says later in the episode - that Hercules is not a real hero, but just another selfish warlord out for his own interests.
- Xena picks up Hercules’ best friend Iolaus (possibly near Hercules’ mother’s residence around Thebes) and goes the seduction/betrayal route with the pair of them, rather than the blunt force route. It almost works, but she ends up fleeing.
- Again, notably, Hercules doesn’t know who Xena is at the beginning of these events. Realistically this is an inconsistency, but for the purposes of this exercise it forces us to acknowledge either that Xena was not well-known in Greece or that Hercules doesn’t know shit about fuck.
- Tripolis a.k.a. Tripoli (One Against An Army, S03E13) - Xena stockpiles a bunch of weapons in Tripolis, which would be in the general area of Tripoli in ancient Arcadia within the Peloponnese.
- It makes sense that she would do this either after fleeing Hercules or later after losing her army one final time.
- Parthus and the Parthian Province a.k.a. Patras (The Gauntlet, HERC S01E12) - Xena has reunited with Darphus and is warlording around “the peninsula” again.
- Notably, she tells Darphus that they are “warriors, not barbarians.” It’s possible that she is slowly starting to remember the reason she got into the warlord business in the first place, though she’s clearly not ready for a thorough self-examination.
- “Parthus” is in Albania and “the Parthian Province” is in Iran, so this possibly means Patras in the northern Peloponnese.
- When Darphus destroys that one town, slaughtering everyone and burning the whole thing to the ground, it’s a type of destruction that Xena has only ever wrought by accident. And when Darphus essentially puts a sword to the neck of that baby, he’s crossing one of the only lines she’s constantly refused to cross. Arguably, Xena’s defense of an innocent isn’t just about that baby. It’s about Solan and it’s about Lyceus and Cirra and Eurydice and Thalassa and it’s about, possibly, the last inch of integrity she has.
- It’s probably been a while since Xena has run into someone a lot worse than she is, morally speaking. The Horde is another example of this, marking another turning point in her life of sorts, and she doesn’t seem to like what that mirror shows.
- It’s also been a long time since Xena was successfully betrayed by someone, but this time her and Darphus aren’t romantically linked and she doesn’t exactly trust him; she just doesn’t think he has the brains or the guts to do anything rash.
- The gauntlet is like the bookend to Caesar crucifying her on that beach; a betrayal resulting in the loss of her army and a horrifying physical injury, but this time she walks away. She does it with her dignity intact and even with the respect of the army she’s just lost, because they all refuse to kill her after she survives the beating.
- Xena then loses a fair fight - to Hercules, if fighting anyone after running a gauntlet could be called fair - for the first time in a good while, just like she once did to M'Lila and to Lao Ma and to Cyane, so that also probably gets the cogs turning.
- And now, just like a decade prior surrounded by dead men in Niklios’s cabin, Xena has to make a choice about who she wants to be.
- Importantly, she also has no army to go back to. She has a moment for murder sobriety to catch.
- It also probably helps that Ares, like a scorned ex, clearly senses her change in intent because he drops her like a hot potato and immediately starts supporting a resurrected Darphus.
- So Xena has Hercules as a pseudo-sponsor, after he shows her a kindness he is under no obligation to and spares her life. He is there to demonstrate a better path forward for her.
- But it’s not just about Hercules. It’s Lao Ma and it’s M'Lila and it’s Boudica and it’s Eurydice and it’s Cyane and it’s Marcus and it’s Goliath and it’s Borias and it’s that one family with the Ark of the Covenant or whatever and it’s everyone who ever showed Xena kindness when she didn’t deserve it and told her she could be something better.
- And it’s finally, finally, enough.
Approximately One Year Before Season Two
- Elysia a.k.a. Elis (Unchained Heart, HERC S01E13) - After an unknown amount of time traveling together, Xena goes with Hercules, Iolaus, and Salmoneus to stop Darphus and Ares in Elysia.
- This could refer to Elis, also known as Illia, in the Peloponnese.
- Home (Sins of the Past, S01E01) - Xena puts on new armor, acquires Argo, and goes north to reunite with her mother in Amphipolis.
Corkboards of Locations
Chalkboard of Timelines
AuntyEmfromOz@reddit
Very comprehensive. Thank you. Also highlighted things I'd forgotten.
I place meeting Goliath and the Ark-bearers when she was a pirate before Caesar or possibly after she received the ransom for him, but before he came back and crucified her, as it may have taken a while before Caesar managed to get the military force together. Destiny seems to indicate it wasn't that long afterwards though.
According to Plutarch, the small Aegean Island of Pharmacusa (now modern-day Farmakonisi, Greece), south-west of Miletus, was where Julius Caesar was held captive by pirates for 38 days. Easy to sail from there to the Middle East.
Of course, their battle against Gareth could have taken place in Greece near the villages in A Day in the Life because of the giant's graveyard. How many of them would there have been around the world?
I used to think Thalassa happened before Cirra because the villager said she didn't kill unarmed women and she said there's a first time for everything. However, in the outline of Shark Island Prison written by Rob Tapert and Josh Becker (sorry I can't recall where I downloaded it from), it mentions 6 years ago. Considering that episode is in season 4, that would place it approximately 2 years before the series started.
I generally disregard Armageddon Now II because it is a different timeline, one without Hercules. Xena's outfits might have been the same, but the circumstances were different.
When Cirra was burned is also problematic, as is it's location. Some say it equates to Serres which is north-west of Amphipolis and that would fit in better with The Quest. However, if you do a Google search for Sirra it comes up with Cirrha/Kirra which is near Delphi, a long way south of Amphipolis.
ANII gives the impression it happened after the Battle of Corinth (which she won in this timeline) and Solan had been born. It never says how old Solan is though, so it's possible it happened close to the battle of Corinth, IF Cirra = Cirrha/Kirra which is much closer to Corinth than Serres north of Amphipolis! I can even weave a theory about meeting Helen in Sparta around this southern location of Cirrha.
Despite what RJ Stewart has said, we don't see the chakram until the trip to the Norselands. Logically, if she'd had it earlier, she would have used it in Chin and at the Battle of Corinth - it's a deadly weapon and a distinct advantage in fighting. IMO this also ties in with when Ares stepped in to start mentoring Xena - after Borias has died - no male competitition for the God of War. Kai's temple is in Italy, so enroute to the Norselands.
Torrence may have been Touraine, an ancient French province (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touraine), which fits in nicely after visiting Scandinavia and heading back to Greece. Gaul is north-west of Italy which is west of Greece. The battle killing 10,000 would have decimated Xena's stolen army from Boadicea. Finding Walsim in France and Darnelle in Italy whilst heading home also fits.
Marcus remains problematic. His reference to Cyrene indicates to me he knew her personally, so I place him in Amphipolis. He could have been one of the young men who fought Cortese and then left with Xena, raiding the neighbouring villages - one of which could have been Semplese/Sympius/whatever. He says of his time with her "You would never kill defenseless people" which fits in with her early conquests, not her later ones.
I don't believe that Xena went back to Amphipolis before SOTP despite her saying "this time". She could simply have meant that "last time" she thought she was doing the right thing by her mother and the villagers by fighting against Cortese but then they vilified her for being responsible for the death of so many in that battle. I felt that her re-uniting with Cyrene in SOTP was the first time they'd seen each other for ten years. Otherwise if she'd tried to go back earlier, why didn't they stone her then? Without Gabrielle being around to come to her rescue?
Eurydice is also problematic. She's featured in the Young Hercules story where, from memory, there's no mention of Xena.
All in all, though, an excellent summary. Well done!
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
I can 100% believe that production saw the historical location of Cirrha and decided it was pronounced with a soft "c," and the more southern location makes an immediately post-Corinth placement quite convenient. It doesn't make the journey to Mt Nestos in Destiny make much sense, though.
Helen has to be pre-Caesar, and probably pre-Cortese. In season one, Xena says they knew each other "in Sparta, before the war." The war has been going for ten years, before which Helen needed to marry and move to Mycenae even before going on to Troy. If the exact 11-year anniversary of Cortese is S02E02, and the war started 10 years prior to S01E12....
So I think they had a teenage fling when Xena visited Sparta. ;)
Yeah, I'm completely with you here. I just don't believe that she already had it but didn't use it.
I like this idea! Filling out her time in western Europe is always good, and this makes as much sense as anything else does.
Yeah, Marcus is so clearly a figure from early on in the writing process before they figured out exactly what evil stuff she'd done where.
I'm not fully convinced that he has to be a pre-Caesar figure, though. The question about Xena's mother absolutely could indicate that he knew Cyrene, but if he knew Cyrene he'd also have personally witnessed that they parted on horrendous terms. Would he ask that so casually about someone he thought was genuinely estranged? Draco is the one who has a much more accurate take on what happens when Xena tries to go back.... Unless Marcus here is somehow reacting to recent news of Xena and Cyrene's reunion...?
He also is working for a very evil man and expects Xena to do the same without blinking. He takes it in stride that she's supposedly kidnapped a baby for ransom and is shocked that she saved the baby instead. This feels more like he knew warlord Xena instead of wet-behind-the-ears-still-has-somewhat-noble-intentions Xena.
It's problematic. There's a lot of possibilities but no great definitive answers.
It's definitely not a theory I've seen floated anywhere before, but it does fix some stuff that doesn't make sense to me otherwise, like the blind cyclops and Cirra (if Cirra is Serres and not Cirrha). They wouldn't have reacted as violently toward her if she had an army parked essentially on their doorstep, for sure.
Anyway.
It's frustrating that there's just no way to make a lot of this 100% make sense, but I love noodling over it regardless!
AuntyEmfromOz@reddit
Thank you so much for responding to my thoughts. This reply is quite long, so I'll separate it into two comments, hoping that will allow it to be posted on Reddit.
If I can find where I downloaded the Shark Island notes from, I'll let you know. My only explanation, if we use the Shark Island notes of this event happening only a couple of years prior to her meeting Hercules, could be related to her attitude in The Gauntlet where she says they don't kill women and children, yet Darphus did. Some sort of a turnaround? Of course, it doesn't really make sense personality wise for the historical Xena we learn about throughout her series, but as has been said, the writers and Powers that Be obviously hadn't thought much further than her being anything more than a small-time warlord when she was written for the Hercules show.
Like you, I also prefer to base things on what was aired, however, have found the shooting scripts useful for background information, eg. you've obviously read the one for SOTP that mentions Cyrene's off-air discussion with Xena about her father and that early plot they were considering with her looking for him. 'Do a search for Atreus King of Mycenae in Wikipedia. I've tried including links in this comment, but Reddit doesn't like them. If Xena had gone off looking for her father earlier and ended up in Sparta, she could certainly have met Helen there, and yes, had a teenager affair with her. Of course, that doesn't fit in with the timeline of Xena having JUST learned about her father in the SOTP script, at least from the purpose of the reason she was in Sparta.
Your points about Marcus make sense. Perhaps he was originally from Amphipolis, which is how he knew Cyrene, but left before Cortese. Then they met up again after Xena's return from the Norselands. If Torrens took place in France with Boadicaea's stolen army, that could account for Marcus's comment about the great Xena conquests, plus her reputation from Chin, where she kidnapped Ming T'ien would also fit with him having no issue with believing she had kidnapped Gregor's son for ransom.
Xena seemed to have no problems finding people from her past - eg The Dirty Half Dozen and in A Fistful of Dinars (found Petracles very easily). He, of course, presents another problem. They both say they were very young when they met - he says he talked a warlord out of an army when he was 15. And again, my interpretation from the script (unaired) that she gave him everything made me think he meant her virginity as well, which is why she is so super-angry with him for dumping her. He had to have been pre-Caesar because she's experienced in seduction by the time she kidnaps Caesar.
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
I totally see your points here, but I don't think I interpret the line similarly. I'm iffy on canonizing unaired lines from the script, and think the "she gave me everything" line is a bit vague for me.
More to the point, while he talked a warlord out of an army when he was 15, I don't think that necessarily means he and Xena knew each other at that time?
It's a fun ransom-receiving location, for sure! I guess it depends on how much time we want to wedge into the who Caesar meetings....
That sounds great fun, thank you!
AuntyEmfromOz@reddit
When I referred to where Caesar was kept captive, my thought was that the Island of Farmakonisi (modern day name) is quite close to Asia Minor so after getting her ransom, but before Caesar found her again and crucified her, she could have easily sailed south-east to the Levant to fight with Goliath and also come across the Ark-Bearers who helped her when she was injured. She wasn't quite feral yet, because Caesar hadn't betrayed her, and she hadn't met Borias yet either, because that happened after she was crippled from the cross and had limped northwards and found him somewhere on the Steppes north-east of Greece.
Although again, historically, Caesar found his pirates on the same island he'd been kept captive on, the Xenaverse changes things. I have written a three page document about this, complete with references. If you're interested, DM me and I'll send you the link. It's part of a much larger document I'd pulled together trying to work out my own timeline. In it Xena has made her way back to Greece before Caesar catches up with her. Someone else suggested that he crucified her on the beach, not far from Amphipolis at a place called Caesaropolis and M'Lila took her form there to Niklio.
Serres/Cirrha/Kirra is also problematic - Cirrha/Kirra fits better with Armageddon Now as it was closer to Corinth, and let's face it, there's no way she would have gone to a piddling little village north of Amphipolis after she'd conquered Corinth. As you say, though, that doesn't fit with Destiny and north of the Strymon which fits better with Serres.
When she destroyed Cirra/Serres north of Amphipolis is also a problem because it is so close to her home town. You'd think if she was subjugating all the neighbouring villages just after Cortese, that Serres would have been one of them! That timing could fit if we are looking at close to 11 years ago from the episode Callisto (which is only a few episodes before Remember Nothing). Young Callisto could have been in her early teens. When adult Callisto arrives on the scene I always peg her as in her twenties, and a few years older than Gabrielle, but there have been debates about this, as well, on this subreddit.
If she did try to return to Amphipolis earlier, within a year or two after Cortese and was then rejected again, she could easily have taken out her anger on Serres (as you said), and then taken to the seas.
Thank you, though, for calling Armageddon Now a "parallel universe" - I have a whole other theory (with a graph to support it) that every time Hercules or Xena changed the timeline, it actually created a parallel universe and that, in the end, was the only way I could explain all the different variations in "ten years/winters past etc" It's part of a 6 page theory I wrote which I've uploaded to my GoogleDrive. Again, DM me if you're interested in reading it.
Others believe that it is just the one timeline that keeps getting changed, but I like my version better!
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
This one will always drive me a bit crazy. You can focus on the stated timeline or you can focus on locations that make sense, but not both.
How much time passes between S02E03 and S02E12? How much more time is "ten winters" vs "ten years"? Ten years to the day before S02E03 probably but not definitively places Goliath after "ten winters" before S02E12, but is that before or after Caesar's return? If it was before, then Xena and Goliath met in Greece and decided to meet "ten years" later at a graveyard in the Levant - okay, fine - but it would also mean that events starting from prior to Caesar's betrayal and ending with Solan's birth happen in the span of one single year. Agh!
And it's tempting to put the events back-to-back, too! She could have been injured in the fight with Goliath and then rescued by the Ark-bearers. They're both Levant-based stories.
But how would a post-Caesar pre-China warrior princess with broken legs be fighting a giant? With whose army? If it's Borias's army, where is he during this whole thing? If this is post-Caesar, and Xena's new purpose in life is death, why would Goliath have befriended her?
If these events aren't connected and geography is ignored, the Ark encounter could have been pre-Caesar, or even have happened when Xena is on her way back to Greece from China. But if she's at peak evil, again, why would an Ark-bearing family have been willing to die defending her? Why would they have trusted her enough to ask for her help many years letter? And one more time, where the hell is Borias?
It's all a mess, haha.
I love this tidbit, but it can't have been where Xena got crucified because then M'Lila drags her up Mt Nestos, which is "north of the Strymon River" and probably near the Nestos River, all of which is in Thrace.
Ooh, I hadn't seen this. Placing it in the nebulous Greece-focused years prior to her Hercules appearance definitely relaxes the timeline a bit, and I'll add it to my list as another possible spot for Thalassa.
I personally tend to put more weight on what's actually on screen than what's on an unpublished page, though. Even if you put aside the costume issue, the vibe feels all wrong for that era? She's a little too wild and messy for it to be just a year before she encounters Hercules, and to me it fits her Corinth vibe a lot better.
No perfect answers for this one, I think.
SakuraTacos@reddit
I needed this so badly last month when I was watching the complete series! I had to stop trying to make logic out of it when I realized the point that you make around 9:42 into the video, just how much gets squished into the year before Solan is born. Then, the other week I watched the entire Rift arc where Xena and Gabrielle make it from Brittania back home on through to Chin and back home again in the span of less than a month and I was like “Hm, I guess Xena did have plenty of time to go from Chin to Siberia and back with enough room for a full pregnancy and a little war” lol
Is Jappa missing from this timeline? It takes place between Chin and her time with the Amazons, doesn’t it? Unless I placed that wrong which is very possible lol
I love your idea that Xena burned Cirra down after a failed homecoming in Amphipolis.
I also agree with you about the Horde, I love Xena and Gabrielle’s scenes in The Price but the rest of the episode makes me crawl-out-of-my-skin uncomfortable.
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Thanks for watching!
Yeah, realizing that Solan is nine years old in S02E01 and that Lyceus died eleven years to the day before S02E02 is... eye-opening, haha.
Japan is missing because I don't count those episodes as canonical and decided to proceed accordingly. ;)
AuntyEmfromOz@reddit
I think Kaleipus stuffed up when he siad he'd been a father for 9 years, yet referred to having fought Xena 10 years ago. Make up your mind, man! (Centaur?) Also you've actually a parent before your child turns 1, so..........I just figured he got that wrong because he was worried she was going to try and take him away with her.
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
The '10 years' has to be rounding up, haha. Solan can't possibly be 10 years old in S02E01 if S02E02 is the exact 11-year anniversary of Lyceus's death....
AuntyEmfromOz@reddit
Good point. So Kaliepus should actually have said you're not the same person I knew nine years ago........ That would fit in much better with Destiny etc. They were very precise with the 11 years ago when Lyceus died.
JennaTheMaker@reddit
Oh, now I see. You left out Japa on purpose?
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Indeed. ;)
Summer_Wind_13@reddit
Yes, I also didn't see Japan here, and also understand it that events there happened between China and Siberia.
But in general this is tremendous work, to compile it all like that! My respect to the author! :)
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much! Putting it all together was a lot of fun.
summer_james2@reddit
Herc doesn’t know shit about fuck!!!!. She is known all over. Everyone who she runs into has a story about her. And they know of all her history. There are many who have not faced her in battle that know of her and past. Her name is in everyone’s mouth.
Melosa refers to her and her army as “true Amazon at the head of the mightiest army the world has know”
Palaemon in blind faith lists off a lot of what she has done and her reputation
Milo from daughter of pomira
The soldier in the price
King Gregor in cradle of hope
All of Gabby’s fellow bards in Athens city academy of the performing bards, they describe her in great detail
Marmax in is there a Dr in the house details how she is had killed many people
All the gods know who she is
All the judges in these towns know of her and her past and threaten her with imprisonment or judgement
And these are all people who have not dealt with her directly in her past. And I could name so many more. Almost everyone wants to be known as “the man who killed Xena” she is known as the greatest warrior in Greece and they all want to make a name for themselves by killing her.
AuntyEmfromOz@reddit
Perhaps he was just jealous that she was better known that he was, so pretended he had not idea who she was. Shades of reality when considering which was more popular, perhaps? 😏
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
I can't imagine he'd just not have noticed that the woman riding off with his bestie had the same name as a famous warlord, haha.
Either Xena is a much more common name than we'd assume or he genuinely hadn't heard of her - I assume that if someone's best friend suddenly started sleeping with Attila the Hun, even a particularly jealous man would presumably have questions....
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Yeah. It's realistically just a continuity error, but in-universe it unfortunately makes him look pretty out of touch!
summer_james2@reddit
Follows along completely with current day events with the actor who plays him Mr peanut himself
JennaTheMaker@reddit
I just realized that, Japa isn’t listed on timeline.
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Yes, I cheerfully pretend that those episodes don't exist.
JennaTheMaker@reddit
Oh definitely, I think a lots of people and fans. Would love to pretend that, Japa and the 2 last episode don’t exist.
As Xena and Gabrielle continue their journey, until they are too old to fights and lives. Somewhere in retirement peacefully.
Popular-One-7051@reddit
Wow what a comprehensive timeline! Great job!
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much! ♡
Latte-Catte@reddit
Amazing!! Thank you so much for posting!
It seems like Xena only hang around the coastal area more than inland, even though much of the show appear to take place inland. Likely she prefers to escape when trouble happens on water lol
Also skipping from the mediterranean all the way to the siberian/russian steppes, I guess Xena didn't find a lot to be desired across inland eastern europe lol.
Or maybe, Xena had done a lot more, just never bother to tell Gabrielle those expedition, so none were written down.
Yes! I've always thought that Xena's past biggest inconsistency are the one leading her back to Hercules. For someone so powerful, her only adversary should be more than Herc, and Herc being alive longer than Xena should have heard of her, yet in the trilogy Xena magically appear to be this unknown warrior princess. The desire for redemption works better without the idea that Xena somehow jumpstarted her warlording career just recently. If we take away this one YAXI, I think the entire timeline would make more sense.
IseQween@reddit
Isn't there some archival subreddit section that links to references like this and AuntyEm's time/distance posts?
AuntyEmfromOz@reddit
What specifically are you referring to? I could post the link if I knew which of the timing/distance posts may add to this discussion.
IseQween@reddit
Not necessarily for this present discussion. I'm picturing a place here where we -- especially newbies -- could easily find any of the posts containing extensively researched theories about timing, distances, godly relationships, possible hygiene norms and such that could come up at any time. Doesn't matter whether we agree on all the conclusions, when there are enough general or Xenaverse "facts" folks could consult on their own if they chose. I personally appreciate relying on others' obsessiveness, so I can hurt my brain over other topics.
AuntyEmfromOz@reddit
Aahhh! Gotcha. I have wondered what it would be like to collaborate with some of the more serious posters who do these sorts of posts, provided of course they provide evidence. I expect there'd be a lot of 'robust discussion' as each of us placed certain things in contradictory places due to our own thoughts, rather than consulting any 'evidence' because TPTB just didn't think some things through.
I recall reading another person's theory on some other random (ie. not mainstream) site where she just said what she thought was the history, without providing anything to back up her theories, which weren't great and weren't even consistent with the show, but kudos to her for voicing them.
But there have been a few on this sub reddit who have done some serious thinking about stuff like this.........so others don't have to hurt their brains!
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Ooh, I don't think I've seen that?
IseQween@reddit
LOL! Not sure I have either. Sneaky suggestion for moderators. 😉
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
And thank you for reading!
It's honestly tragic that we have very little evidence of Xena in western Asia/eastern Europe, and the timeline is so crunched that expanding her time there is pretty much impossible. I'd have loved to see Xena along the Silk Road....
As for Hercules, if we're trying to somehow reconcile the lack of continuity that is her fame vs his obliviousness, maybe he's been busy with his Labors and a bunch of big-time Olympian nonsense instead of paying attention to warlord business at the local level? She's only been back in Greece for a few years by the time they meet. Maybe he'd been absent for a bit himself?
IseQween@reddit
We're lucky you squeezed out as much remotely plausible activity as you did. As for Herc, can't say I have much interest in what he did before or after his encounters with Xena. I'm fine with your ... um ... "clueless" explanation.
Jahon_Dony@reddit
You're timeline started off, off. Xena should at least be in her 30s if not mid to late 30s when the series begins. In fact, I think Lucy was younger than the character she portrayed.
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
I would be very interested in reading any evidence you could link me to that supports this idea.
I feel that putting her birth at 25 to 30 years before the start of the series, as I did, is quite solid. But again, I'm happy to see evidence otherwise?
AuntyEmfromOz@reddit
I always refer here to something that was in the SOTP shooting script (but not aired from memory) when Draco asks Xena why she wants him to leave Poteidaia alone. She says there's someone there who reminds her of herself, many years ago, meaning Gabrielle. Now Gabrielle is pegged as being 18 in that script, which makes me think that Xena was probably around that age too when Cortese struck (though I prefer to think she was actually only 17 when that happened, to fit in with Lucy's age when first filming Xena.)
She certainly would not have been in her 30's because that would make Cyrene in her 60's because, again in the shooting script, Cyrene says that when she was around Xena's age, she met Xena's father........
IseQween@reddit
I remember being blown away when I watched your video awhile back. This written companion is also awesome. My one suggestion is that "Thalassa gets eaten by crabs" might more accurately say, "Thalassa appears to get eaten by crabs," as her death was an assumption made at the time. Now, on to the many "a ha's" for me:
Amazon Queen Cyane "is the first person Xena actively betrays and murders on-screen."
Alti "also tells Xena about the powerful Ixion Stone, prompting her to go back to Greece," presumably to help fulfill Alti's promise of her becoming The Destroyer of Nations. I don't hurt my brain about the logic of most of the WP's travels, but did wonder why she might've returned home and why the heck we kept hearing references to that stone and Xena nickname.
"Ares steals the Dark Chakram from Kal’s temple near Mt. Amaro in Italy." When Xena asks Brutus in IDES what he's done with Gabs, he admits, "I put her in a prison compound at the foot of Mt. Amaro" -- apparently the site of their crucifixion in Alti's vision. The Dark Chakram breaks Xena and itself near where it was stolen in the first place? And where she later restores and joins it with the Light Chakram, thereby restoring her dark and light Self? Wow. How fitting! Many of wished for more clarity and continuity about Xena's signature weapon. This doesn't explain all the chakram-related YAXI's, but I'm going to -- as you say -- "wave my hand" and add these Mt. Amaro connections to my Head Canon.
"Hercules now has a pretty firmly established foothold as a powerful protector of people in Greece, and Xena decides it’s time to go after him in order to clear that particular blockade from the playing field. She may even believe what she says later in the episode - that Hercules is not a real hero, but just another selfish warlord out for his own interests." Yes, this makes sense in accounting for Xena's seemingly off-the-cuff decisions in the Herc trilogy's WARRIOR PRINCESS.
"Again, notably, Hercules doesn’t know who Xena is at the beginning of these events. Realistically this is an inconsistency, but for the purposes of this exercise it forces us to acknowledge either that Xena was not well-known in Greece or that Hercules doesn’t know shit about fuck." Okey dokey. 😂
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much for watching!
Thalassa got eaten a bit by crabs.
Also, thanks for bringing up the Mt Amaro connection - I hadn't realized that at all!
IseQween@reddit
LOL! I thought you were conscious of your genius in the Mt. Amaro find. All these years, I don't recall anyone else making that connection. Made me think Xenstaff intentionally dropped that in as one of those gems fans might discover -- not realizing at the time that we might do so decades later via all sorts of sources. If so, making the connection clearer would've made the popular IDES even more memorable. If you chat with Sears again, maybe he'll remember -- or thank you for making Xenastaff look like the geniuses. 😉
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
They're already geniuses! But thank you. ;)
ConsistentGoal1350@reddit
Are you posting your video in youtube? If so, where is the link to watch it?
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Yes, it's on YouTube! The link is in the first paragraph of this post. :)
Melodic-Scheme6973@reddit
Damn Xena got around
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Indeed.
Meushell@reddit
Wow. This is amazing. Great job. 👏🏻🎖️
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Thank you!
Ok-Jackfruit-6873@reddit
Wow this is amazing. I'm pretty sure you put more thought into this than the show writers (bless their hearts though!!). Thanks for sharing this with us.
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much for reading!
IseQween@reddit
LOL! Yeah, Sears is probably telling Xenastaff, "OMG! OMFG! See? I knew there was a reason we did those things."
round_killing_thing@reddit
Ohh, I love the correlation you draw between Xena's failed attempt at returning home and the torching of Cirra. I never considered this possibility.
I laughed way to hard about this, and I will adopt this as my headcanon from now on. Hercules, the one who doesn't know shit about fuck.
Will try to carve out the time to watch the video as well, because even after reading through this post and nodding my head thinking "This is an interesting and plausible approach to place this event, I need to remember that", half of that information has already been lost again in the folds of my brain by the time I'm typing this.
How you managed to compile all of this is a mystery to me. Kudos!
justwanderingtheblog@reddit (OP)
Thanks so much! I know everything is YAXI, but assuming she went back to Amphipolis fixes a lot of continuity issues for me, so it's basically my headcanon at this point.
Also applies to the actor, luckily!