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Predicted deaths from loss of health insurance subsidies caused by Government Shut Down

In October 2025, an analysis was published in Bloomberg warning of thousands of additional deaths due to a potential government shutdown over health care.
A June 2025 analysis cited in the article estimated that the expiration of enhanced Affordable Care Act (ACA) tax credits could cause 5 million people to lose insurance, leading to an additional 8,811 deaths.
The expiration of these subsidies would also cost health care providers an estimated $32.1 billion in lost revenue.

What is wrong with you people? This makes you SMILE? Seriously?

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But look, it has purely aesthetic resemblance to something that's popular here while not actually achieving anything anyone values inherently and just playing at instrumental values! Clearly it's a good thing!

Sarcasm aside, libertarians rarely like talking about actual material specifics, so it's not exactly a surprise they don't consider consequences in favour of a vague ideological half-appeal.

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MDLH@reddit

I think you have absolutely nailed the mentality of these "Libertarians" I am guessing most are kids. But to the extent that they can vote they will vote for leaders how ruin people's lives. They are selfish and ignorant at the same time.

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Killersands@reddit

you lot have no answers for the worlds problems and wonder why nobody agrees with libertarianism

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LexPatriae@reddit

No, we have answers, they’re just the adult answers that nobody wants to hear. Things like “abolish social security and hold people responsible for their own piss-poor planning” but sadly the puerile idiots are in the majority so that sort of policy is 100% infeasible and unelectable.

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Killersands@reddit

this is a 19th century mindset pretending to be enlightened

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LexPatriae@reddit

You’re talking about Karl Marx and all of his failed predictions, I assume, since you’re referencing shitty ideas from the 19th century.

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Killersands@reddit

nope i was referring to your comment you made.

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Key-Seaworthiness517@reddit

Too bad, get downvoted for disagreeing with the person who signaled he's part of this sub's ingroup by throwing tomatoes at the acceptable target.

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LexPatriae@reddit

Well unfortunately mine was funnier

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Killersands@reddit

fortunately we don't use which system of governance is funniest as the baseline for choosing it

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Qu3stion_R3ality1750@reddit

I think a lot of people probably don't understand libertarianism in the first place.
I don't think libertarianism seeks to "solve the world's problem", but rather points out the CVS receipt levels of dangers from excessive spending, oversized and overpowered centralized governments and the nature of taxation.
Aaaand, you think Democrats and Republicans have better ideas on how to solve the world's problems? At least with Libertarianism you get to keep your rights and more of your paycheck. What the fuck are you so upset about?

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Killersands@reddit

the libertarians in power are currently stripping our constitutional rights away

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colinkelley@reddit

Who are the Libertarians in power you're referring to?

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Killersands@reddit

elon musk who embarrassed you all on the world stage for failing to hold onto political power gifted to him

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colinkelley@reddit

oh, trolling. gotcha

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Killersands@reddit

you call it trolling, i call it embarrassing. musk alone probably set the libertarians back fifty fucking years

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Qu3stion_R3ality1750@reddit

Which libertarians are currently in power?

Thomas Massie doesn't count even if he is Libertarian in practice.

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Killersands@reddit

elon musk, under your own idealistic system of government, came into power and utterly failed to accomplish anything except the degradation of our country

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Qu3stion_R3ality1750@reddit

Who claims Elon as a libertarian?

I certainly don't...

You're just making shit up to fit your narrative, and have nothing of use or value to contribute to this discussion. Get lost, the adults are talking

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Killersands@reddit

elon claims the title himself, as did all of you before he shit the bed. the adults are the ones who do work while you all talk and do nothing

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LexPatriae@reddit

^ The results of a public education, nothing further to comment on here beside derision.

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Killersands@reddit

public education taught me to evolve beyond reductive mindsets like yours

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LexPatriae@reddit

You do get what you pay for lol

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Killersands@reddit

yes and tax dollars do amazing work for our communities. im grateful we could out think the trap of small minded selfish thinking you believe in

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LexPatriae@reddit

You’re in the wrong subreddit. Sorry you require babying by the government to guarantee your own responsibility lol

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Killersands@reddit

disabled people exist, mentally unwell people exist, people get sick with any number of illnesses or afflictions, people are born into poverty. we have the capability to help everyone have basic needs like food, water, healthcare and shelter. we just choose to withhold it from people so that our masters can live like kings. you are just part of the old world unable or unwilling to understand what's happening

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Qu3stion_R3ality1750@reddit

disabled people exist, mentally unwell people exist, people get sick with any number of illnesses or afflictions, people are born into poverty

aaaand, you think the government helps these vulnerable people?

You're joking, right?

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Killersands@reddit

government is the best system we have, its an ongoing process of human ingenuity and connection

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LexPatriae@reddit

Oh wow, I’ve never heard this argument before! Sucks to suck, sorry that you’re apparently dog-shit at everything and envious of others

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liaminwales@reddit

Just saw a story about Spain a few days ago,

We are continually told that every country must have an activist government. No economy nor society can be allowed to just bumble along by itself, the firm smack of political control is necessary for the world to continue to turn on its axis. This is not really what the empirical evidence tells us of course. Spain has not really had a government for the past 10 months and yet it is expected to be one of the fastest-growing eurozone economies this year. And as a result the unemployment rate has just fallen to 18.9%. So much for the necessity of activist management of the economy then:

Spain Has No Government For 10 Months - Economy Grows, Unemployment Falls To 18.9%

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Key-Seaworthiness517@reddit

"This guy kept his dog in a cage and barely fed it for weeks. Now that guy's passed out drunk on his couch, his dog escaped while it wasn't looking, and it can go eat garbage and drink ditch water on its own, it's not (as) malnourished anymore! Clearly this means all dog owners ever are bad and we should just kill them and let their dogs out on the street, that's what's best for all dogs!"

Inductive reasoning based on two total countries that went from bad to slightly less bad being called "empirical evidence" is also... I was gonna say funny, but tbh it's just disappointing every time I see people misunderstanding what the scientific method is, or logic, or facts, or rationality, or pragmatism, and instead just using them as the "hehe this signals i smort!" words.

And I already know that before seeing this sentence, you were just gonna avoid actually engaging with my point and instead just address the phrasing of my analogy to make some armchair psychoanalytical vaguery.

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KnittenAMitten@reddit

Falls to 18% 😭

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thrallus@reddit

Shutdowns are ridiculously inefficient and end up costing taxpayers billions, why would that be a good thing for anyone?

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blklab84@reddit

I love this

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markadillo@reddit

I kind of dont understand how the government shut down, is it because they havent finalized the FY2026 funding? then what the hell was the BBB?

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Stone_tigris@reddit

The BBB was a budget reconciliation bill, which were originally designed to allow Congress to cut back when federal spending exceeds the budget plan. So it focused on FY2025.

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VVTD33@reddit

I just have a slight grin. When all bureaucracies and their agents are fired, *THEN* I'll smile broadly.

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Joel_the_Devil@reddit

Conservatives actually showed spine by refusing to compromise with liberals, if taxes have to be paid, it should only go to the citizens.

Trump better fire those government employees in the meantime

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Garrett119@reddit

The money the dems wanted was only going to be avalible to citizens

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Fuck_The_Rocketss@reddit

Ha!

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Fuck_The_Rocketss@reddit

Oh you’re being serious… let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHA!

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Head-Quail-6062@reddit

Imagine thinking either side is useful.

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Laneofhighhopes@reddit

No, that is not true.

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Reasonable-Fee1945@reddit

The name is cool, but historically government shutdowns cost more in the long run because everyone gets hired back with backpay.

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DanOhMiiite@reddit

I'm a conservative and I'm happy about it. The government is way too bloated.

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_WrongKarWai@reddit

last time we did that, the economy and the markets went up so there's that.

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ZombiesAtKendall@reddit

Maybe if it saved the taxpayers money. Pretty sure it end up costing more than it saves.

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fightinirishpj@reddit

Conservatives are fine with it too. We're hoping that Trump gets to declare who is essential vs not and cut all of the nonessential departments completely.

IMO, the military and judicial system is the only thing worth keeping at the federal level.

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ericotherspot@reddit

Funny how Lib is the start of both sides of the same coin. Personally I’m an independent and won’t smaller government but know that with no government we’d be controlled by China or Russia.

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Hard-4-Jesus@reddit

All these years, and countless examples of lies, and yet you're still buying that US government "foreign boogeyman" propaganda? Aahahahahaha!!!! Wow... I feel so sorry for you. Forgive my rudeness, but I don't think this is the right subreddit for you.

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Moonvine22@reddit

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meybrook@reddit

we’re still paying them. if the check is already signed I at least want them sitting behind a desk pretending to work

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gaminggunn@reddit

Its signed once they come back for all the work they didnt do

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Help_meToo@reddit

As long as they don't retroactively pay the people who are furloughed.

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Enough-Bit-396@reddit

Unfortunately we all know how this political theater between the two cults ends. More government and fewer liberties. But we can enjoy it while it’s “shut” I guess and hope it’s never plugged back in.

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ImmortalPhoenixRa@reddit

Stop calling them liberals. It's an insanely evil appropriation of a term (classical liberals) the few people still have something to do with have nothing to do with them.

Call them democrats, keynesians or mostly peaceful communists. But please for the love of God stop taking part of this mass exercise of torture of actual liberalism.

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TheWolffTrismegistus@reddit

As a person who embodies the 7 liberal arts, I appreciate this statement.

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2cunty4you@reddit

As much as I applaud no government, I can see where this leads and it is more detrimental to our freedoms as human beings than keeping the trust fund alive...

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trufus_for_youfus@reddit

Stockholm Syndrome

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ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)

😂

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Head-Quail-6062@reddit

it is more detrimental

And who caused this? 🤔

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PapiRob71@reddit

If it helps President Trump gut the federal government like both sides say he will...I want it to be 'shut down' as long as needed

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SirBiggusDikkus@reddit

I agree. Unfortunately entitlements are a large majority of our spending and aren’t related to this shutdown fight. As usual, we are fighting over the least important shit and ignoring the sword of Damocles.

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Majestic-Bluejay3057@reddit

The problem is the same as it has always been. The citizens discover they can vote for candidates that will make legislation to give citizens free money. The free money then flows until there is government collapse. That we have two parties each paying a different group of citizens helps each side to have a self righteous claim. The fact there is a group trying to avoid the collapse and return the government to ideals upon which it was founded but never really realized is no reason to denigrate them.

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WolffgangVW@reddit

At least they both understand elite theory

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RadioactivSamon@reddit

Ron Swanson would be happy