While he was filming the orca, a whale suddenly appeared behind him
Posted by Haileestorm96@reddit | whales | View on Reddit | 23 comments
Posted by Haileestorm96@reddit | whales | View on Reddit | 23 comments
crazypandachan@reddit
I love how the orcas respectfully move out the way
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
These humpbacks in northern Norway have learned to benefit off of the work of the local orcas. They often follow orca vocalizations to the bait balls of herring and will start to feed on the herring once the orcas have done the work of herding the fish into balls. Some juvenile humpbacks are even known to follow orca pods around.
For the most part, the orcas and humpbacks seem to peacefully coexist when feeding on the herring. The orcas often seem to tolerate the presence of the humpbacks, though at least sometimes the orcas will start leaving the area to find herring elsewhere not long after the humpbacks show up. The lunge feeding by the humpbacks often breaks up the ball of herring that the orcas worked on forming.
Historical_Fold_9946@reddit
Except that orcas are kind of roving teenage gangs of the sea and humpbacks are the one old guy in the neighborhood who always intervenes when kids bully someone else. They have been known to protect smaller cetaceans from the black and white menaces as well as sharks
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Norwegian orcas are mainly fish eaters and don't go after larger marine mammals such as humpback whales. Though there are multiple documented instances of humpbacks trying to intervene with the hunts of mammal-eating orcas (e.g. in Monterey Bay), this hostile dynamic between humpbacks and orcas is not really present (at least on the same level) in Norway, where the video was filmed.
The local orcas primarily eat herring and are known to use the "carousel feeding" technique to cooperatively herd together herring into a ball and then strike the herring with their tail flukes to stun the fish. These orcas mainly feed on fish, but a small percent (around 10%) are known to hunt pinnipeds such as seals for part of the year. Humpbacks are just taking advantage of the work these orcas do to herd herring together.
Historical_Fold_9946@reddit
You're right that they don't generally go after humpbacks but they are opportunitist predators and don't limit to fish. They do go after seals, otters, sealions, dolphins, penguins, various sea birds, larger fish like sharks and even the smaller whale/dolphins including humpback whale calves. Which likely explains why humpbacks get involved when orcas hunt.
They have also been known to offer parts of the above to humans as peace offerings. Initially, they offered whole animals, then decided humans need it cut up, and then they tried kelp and seaweed in case humans are vegetarians.
So, if an orca offers you food, I suggest you take it so you don't piss off 4 tons of solid muscle and blubber that can swim 30 knots an hour.
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
There is a recent paper published on this type of behaviour where orcas offer food and other objects to humans, and though it is fairly rare, it has been seen in orca populations around the world. A good chunk of these encounters happened with people swimming in the water.
Orcas in some encounters offer whole prey, while in other encounters they offered only parts of prey, and in a couple of encounters they offered kelp/seaweed. There didn't really seem to be a progression from whole prey to partial prey to seaweed in these encounters (at least most of them); these objects and prey varied between the different individual orcas present in separate encounters.
The object-sharing behaviours are primarily considered exploratory behaviours by the authors of the paper, because orcas are observed usually pausing and waiting for a short amount of time to see how the humans react to their actions. Thus the orcas are likely "testing" the humans.
Possible reasons for the orcas to engage in this behaviour are stated by the authors of the paper.
The behaviours of orcas offering food and other objects to humans are likely just extensions of well-documented cultural behaviours where orcas often share food with each other, likely forming and strengthening bonds between each other. The researchers have thus labeled the behaviour as a form of "generalized altruism," where the orcas extend this behaviour across species towards humans as well. This also may indicate that orcas display theory of mind towards humans, as is stated in an article.
However, authors of the study on orcas trying to share food with humans also strongly recommend seeking out such close interactions or encouraging relationships to develop, due to the potential for either of these two species to harm each other.
Bigg's (transient) orcas are indeed significantly more frequently spotted in the Salish Sea compared to Monterey Bay, but there have been a fair amount of sightings from whale watching companies, particularly in April and May. The California Killer Whale Project has counted encounters of Californian Bigg's orcas orcas each year from 2021 to 2024. Sightings per year range from 70 to 95.
SurayaThrowaway12@reddit
Do you mean resident vs Bigg's (Transient) orcas? They are actually now considered completely separate subspecies. Resident orcas pretty much only eat fish and never have been documented eating mammals, while Bigg's orcas mainly eat marine mammals and have not been documented eating fish, except perhaps sunfish. They have have not been documented interbreeding with each other either.
I wouldn't really call them "migratory" vs "non-migratory." Unlike many baleen whales such as humpback whales, many orca populations often don't make very long migrations. Bigg's (transient) orcas often have larger ranges than resident orcas do and can be more unpredictable in their movements, but the
Most orcas aren't really known for being highly adaptable and opportunistic predators. Quite the opposite in fact; they are often conservative and highly specialized predators that learn what to eat from the mothers.
Though orcas as a whole "species" prey on a large amount of different species, they belong to very different populations, and each of these populations has its own unique culture. Due to these cultural reasons, orcas are often unwilling to change from their pod's/community's diet. Culture in orcas does not only determines the different learned diets and hunting techniques amongst different orca populations, but it also determines their different communal social structures, vocalizations, traditions, social norms, play activities, and more amongst different orca populations.
The different dietary preferences found in orca communities and pods are passed down generations (culturally transmitted) within an orca population. Specific diets form a major part of the cultures of each unique orca community/population. Culture seems to be very important to orcas, and thus orcas will rarely stray outside of the diet they are taught to eat by their podmates. In addition, even to mammal-eating orcas, humans likely simply do bear any resemblance to the various mammals that these orcas are familiar with. Thus, orcas do not recognize humans as potential prey.
This theory has been supported by cases of orcas, both in the wild and captivity, refusing to eat certain prey even when malnourished and/or starving. The endangered fish-eating Southern Resident orcas have essentially been slowly starving due to not getting enough salmon to eat, yet they do not eat marine mammals (despite the high abundance in their habitat) or even certain types of fish that may be high in abundance. Captured mammal-eating Bigg's orcas have also refused to eat fish given to them by their captors even when starving.
Culture appears to be very important to orcas. Culture in orcas does not only determines the different learned diets and hunting techniques amongst different orca populations, but it also determines their different communal social structures, vocalizations, traditions, ceremonies/rituals, social norms, play activities, and more amongst different orca populations.
As stated by whale biologist Olga Filatova:
Zoologist Dr. Lance Barrett-Lenard also states the following about orca behaviour:
So, even in times of need, orcas can be reluctant to switch from their natal diets.
Gr3bnez0r@reddit
I pictured it more like,
"Ah shit guys.. that fat bastard Jeff's here... well there goes all the fuckin' food!"
Maretsb@reddit
That's actually Knut Knølhval
Tamias-striatus@reddit
That one little fish just barely escaped
TesseractToo@reddit
Being in the swirls like that would really give you an idea of the power they have
Haileestorm96@reddit (OP)
I couldn't handle a VR headset with a whale swimming by, it was so viscerally overwhelming I almost had a panic attack. I couldn't imagine being that close to one of them IRL.
JKC_due@reddit
I swam with them in tropical waters where they weren’t feeding and it was incredible. I would never doing it in their feeding grounds though. Every video I’ve seen of them in these areas, they appear out of nowhere extremely close to the swimmers. That would be too much for me.
zedzag@reddit
Where was this?
JKC_due@reddit
Moorea, French Polynesia.
Addicted-2Diving@reddit
Thanks u/JKC_due, that’s been on my bucket list (Polynesia) now I have one island, specifically I’ll visit while traveling there
zedzag@reddit
Ah ok one of two places I knew of. I went on two tours during my visit but wasnt as lucky, saw them too far. That ocean swim was hard!
TesseractToo@reddit
I got almost close enough to touch one but it was from a boat
Addicted-2Diving@reddit
Epic
SirRegulous@reddit
Love the humpback, hear she knew you there and was like, "hey little buddy want a really good close up of my good side?" They are also the only known whales to be altruistic even towards other species to include humans.
SignificantYou3240@reddit
Am I the only one who finds the size of baleen whales dorsal fins comically small?
I mean it has its reasons for smallness I’m sure, but they are so tiny
XavierRex83@reddit
I guess when you are enormous and don't really chase down prey the way a shark or dolphin would, you don't really need it
shaundisbuddyguy@reddit
That one little fish out of the humpbacks mouth just won the lottery.