Ryzen 5 Roundup: 8400F vs. 7400F vs. 7500F vs. 7600 vs. 7600X vs. 9600X (Gaming Benchmarks)

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MacblinkSkylight@reddit

7500F seems to be best balance performance/cost for me (120 USD cheapest, new), 7600 is already kinda expensive for a starter AM5 build even on aliexpress (145 USD cheapest, but used)

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Gippy_@reddit

AMD are such scumbags for giving the 8400F its name when it has half the L3 cache of the 7400F.

They also did this with the 5700, which was not just a slightly lower clocked 5700X. It also had half the L3 cache.

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comelickmyarmpits@reddit

Amd is way more of a scumbags than you think.

5700 was not only half in l3 cache but also just pcie 3 while 5700x is pcie 4.

8400f is even worse , its not only pcie 4 but can only provide at most x8 lanes only to dgpu while 7400f is pcie 5 and also provide full x16 lanes to dgpu.

Well 5700 was pcie 3 but it was atleast x16 8000 series is worst by amd, taking advantage of less tech savy people

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Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit

The stores in my country all show how much cache each CPU has, nothing is actually being hidden.

This sub really struggles with product for some reason, getting so upset about them too, I wonder what they will be like when they grow up and buy a car that's had the same model name for 70 years.

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comelickmyarmpits@reddit

Well I my comment is more focused on pcie lanes whi h I doubt is on boxes and people buying would know much.

Do you know 8500g comes with fking 4 pcie lanes only? Only 4 lanes lmao

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_vogonpoetry_@reddit

the 8500G is even worse. 4x PCIe lanes to the GPU 💀

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Imobia@reddit

Yes I hate the fact I have to research this. Why is the newer stuff worse than the old..

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comelickmyarmpits@reddit

What the......amd really going intel path in term of being shitty huh

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I feel this way about the latest AM5 chipsets too. B840 is their A620 replacement, but now has the impression of being a mainstream B-class chipset rather than an entry-level A-class chipset. X870 is their B650E replacement, but now has the impression of being an enthusiast X-class chipset rather than a mainstream B-class chipset.

AMD is not our friend.

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Yeahthis_sucks@reddit

Like pretty much all companies, idk why most people on Reddit are AMD biased and hate NVIDIA for everything they do, both are equally as bad. The whole team green/red is so cringe.

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FlarblesGarbles@reddit

Neither are good, but they're not equally as bad. nVidia is by far much worse.

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metakepone@reddit

JFC grow up.

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FlarblesGarbles@reddit

What do you even think grow up means?

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metakepone@reddit

Life experience, and considering other perspectives if lacking said life experiences.

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Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit

You know you aren't acting by your own made up rules right? YOu are acting like a child too.

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FlarblesGarbles@reddit

And how does that apply to criticism of nVidia exactly?

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LuluButterFive@reddit

The world is unfair to a $267 billion dollar corporation because its not a $4 trillion dollar corporation

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imaginary_num6er@reddit

I'm still waiting to see how pathetic a A820 chipset is going to be

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certainlystormy@reddit

i keep thinking about buying amd and then realizing i value intel chipsets' i/o flexibility too much

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metakepone@reddit

This sub consists of people who use a few usb ports for mouse and keyboard, audio out, and a gpu for graphics/display out. Of course they don't care/know about this nuance.

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Travelling-nomad@reddit

I understand the b840 criticism but what’s wrong with x870?

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InfernoBlade@reddit

The name was intentionally misleading.

AMD has one actual chipset for AM5, Promontory 21. All the labels are marketing names for various configurations of them.

Each P21 has 12x PCIe lanes hanging off it, some USB hosts, and SATA ports hanging off it (among other more minor things). Every difference between the marketing names other than that comes down to certification for the most part, like if they officially say the chipset lanes support PCIe 5, or if they require the motherboard maker to support USB4.

B650, B650E, B850, B850E, and critically, X870, use one of these chips.

X670, X670E, and X870E use two of these chips.

In effect, this means that X670 vanilla gives you 8x more downstream chipset PCIe lanes (4 are used to connect the two PROM21 chips), more USB ports and more SATA ports, than its more expensive successor in X870.

AMD basically named X870 to make it look like a replacement for X670, when it isn't. It's missing considerable IO functionality that X670 has by having that second IO chip.

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Flintloq@reddit

This graphic shows how the "800" series of chipsets compare to their "600" series predecessors in terms of features. As you can see, X870 is identical to B650E in all aspects except USB4 going from optional to mandatory. The other high-end features of the X670 chipset in terms of lane counts and USB ports are reserved for X870E in the latest generation.

Source of the graphic: 12:35 of this Hardware Unboxed video.

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Rentta@reddit

What about X670

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Flintloq@reddit

What about it?

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constantlymat@reddit

I've been using a Ryzen 7500f since last summer and am amazed how much performance you can get out of a CPU that only costs 130€.

It's combined with a RTX 5070 and I am still almost exclusively GPU limited according to CapframeX.

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Vb_33@reddit

I just built a 9600X machine and while I'm impressed with average fps performance, stutter struggle is too real. Booted up returnal on a 5060ti 16GB and the performance is significantly better than I expected but the game stutters all the time when it becomes CPU limited for brief moments, this won't show up well on average fps but it will result in visible stutters where the frame times crash as soon as the CPU gets pegged usually to stream in assets during movement (traversal stutters).

Similar issues on Oblivion Remastered, Borderlands 4, (this game even has shader comp stutters that of course peg the CPU) and Silent Hill 2. It is so common in today's AAA games, Zen 5 CPU performance just can't keep up with the over saddling of the CPU modern games love doing.

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terence_shill@reddit

All your listed games use Unreal Engine. It's nice for the devs, but the engine is just shit.

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Vb_33@reddit

These issues aren't limited to unreal engine. Elden Ring and Nightreign suffer from similar issues, Starfield, Watch Dogs 3, Monster Hunter Wilds, The last of Us Part 1, Spiderman 1, Spiderman Miles Morales. That's a wide array of games from a wide array of engines, none of them use Unreal Engine. The issue has more to do with modern game workloads and how devs load balance (or neglect to) said workloads on the CPU.

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LukeValenti@reddit

All those titles you mentioned are infamous for poor optimization on PC.

Yeah, PC ports have been poor these past few years, to say the least.

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Vb_33@reddit

Spiderman 1, MM and Starfield were not bad ports. Take a look at Alex's conclusion of his Starfield review, mediocre perhaps but not bad and the game had worse issues on console yet it had a pretty glowing review by John when he reviewed it on console.

Here's a recent example: Expedition 33. People claim the game is very optimized yet it suffers from many of the stutters I posted above, on top of this it has camera animation stutters. Its not a bad port but it needs some work, yet still you can't have a smooth experience on it and that's the issue. I named a lot of games that are imperfect so let me leave you with one that doesn't have any of these issues: Doom The Dark Ages. iD software is simply exceptional.

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Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit

Starfield isn't a port.

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Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit

All these games will stutter no matter what CPU you have.

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Z3r0sama2017@reddit

It's nice for gamers too, because then I don't need to get hyped for it and spend my money on something else

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loozerr@reddit

8 cores 16 threads has become the standard

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Vb_33@reddit

That has no effect on what I said. The majority of those games were tested on 9800X3Ds by Digital Foundry. The reason why stutters are so horrible is because you can't over power them, a 285k with 24 cores nor a 9950X3D with 16, will not get rid of the stutters hell a 9800X3D with 8 cores will outperform a 24 core 285k in these stutter scenarios.

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AreYouOKAni@reddit

Go play Rimworld on Speed 3. 5600X3D begins to reconsider its life choices once you hit a dozen pawns + 30-ish animals on the screen.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Still not a single actually CPU bottlenecked game in the tests.

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Noble00_@reddit

Crazy for AMD to name the 8400F as it is. It's the mobile Zen4 variant with half the L3 and lesser PCIe spec, while the 7400F is basically the real desktop 7600 with the iGPU disabled.

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exomachina@reddit

Nobody is buying the 8400F for it's value. It's an OEM part.

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kikimaru024@reddit

8400F was supposed to be OEM-only, so it's "below 8600G" in their pricing models.

It was never supposed to be retail.

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InGaN5@reddit

Snagged a 8400f for like $85 on ali express a few months back, works in my friends 5070 build as a great placeholder cpu on am5 for an eventual x3d upgrade.

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Hero_Sharma@reddit (OP)

8400F = Ryzen 5500 + DDR5

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imaginary_num6er@reddit

Where's the 8300F that's a 8300G with no APU, which only supports PCIe4.0 x4 speeds?

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comelickmyarmpits@reddit

Nah 8400f is even worse

8400f = r5500 +ddr5 - x8 lanes

Yeah 8400f provide just x8 lanes to dgpu while 5500 being limited to pcie 3 but had x16 lanes

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Noble00_@reddit

No, that would imply the 8400F being the Zen3 mobile, Ryzen 5 5600U. The 8400F is based on Zen3 mobile Phoenix/Hawk Point (unsure) 7640H/8640HS iGPU/NPU disabled.

But yes, in the aspect of the mobile variant ported over to desktop with half the L3, this time being AM5 unlike AM4 with the 5500.

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Hero_Sharma@reddit (OP)

I meant this is basically the same level of performance as 5500

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Noble00_@reddit

Not to be pedantic but he didn't show 5500 performance.

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-7-8700F-CPU-280504/Tests/APU-Mobile-Desktop-Phoenix-Review-1450790/2/

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-7-5700X-CPU-278283/Tests/5600-5500-Release-Benchmark-Preis-vs-5800x-1393445/2/

The 8400F is much closer in perf to the 5800 while the 5500 lags behind considerably. Although again, I'll reiterate my second point for the sake of argument, they're both mobile ports, which isn't exactly the best value compared to their real desktop counterparts.

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Hero_Sharma@reddit (OP)

https://youtu.be/_MK0wO7MXuc

As per this video results are completely different

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reddituserzerosix@reddit

wish they would release the 7x00Fs globally

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Bramdy@reddit

8400f name is scummy but it is really good cpu for under 100$.

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Yearlaren@reddit

It looks good in today's games but I wonder if the size of the L3 cache which is half of the 7400F could be a problem in the future. The 7400F is slightly more expensive and you get twice the L3 cache plus you get more PCIe lanes which are 5.0 speed to boot.

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WarEagleGo@reddit

I would not call it "really good" more like "average"

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Soulspawn@reddit

Good for budget builds, these builds won't be installing a 5090-tier GPU.

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Prince_Uncharming@reddit

really good cpu for under 100$

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NeroClaudius199907@reddit

Should've also used a slower gpu to show budget users all these cpus are pretty fast for gpus you'll use for 4-5 years

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Hero_Sharma@reddit (OP)

They should include intel cpu 12400,13400,14400,12600kf, 14600k and productivity benchmark as well

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Pimpmuckl@reddit

I'd also like benchmarks in 720p, 1080p, 1440p, 1440p ultrawide, 4k, 5k, 8k with discord and chrome open and off, Steve wearing different shirts because we know those influence performance, the angle from Saturn to Jupiter, 5 different Linux distros with 7 different drivers and another 50 different data points because those ungrateful YouTubers are lazy and never do any work so why not spend 300h testing something that I want and three other people in the world?

And also could Steve bring me a Cappuccino real quick?

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GenericUser1983@reddit

They will probably do a video like that later, then follow up with a video that combines the AMD & Intel results; more videos equals more ad revenue.

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Hero_Sharma@reddit (OP)

When the battlemage overhead issue was discovered i asked them to do 5600 vs 12400 with b580 like that, but they denied it.

Plus the productivity part, channel name is hardware unboxed but in terms of productivity benchmark they are only limited to gpu/cpu launch video.

If I wanted to check productivity for the CPU the last video was 245k review 11 months ago.

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