Amazon announces Vega OS for TV, a Linux-based OS that doesn't support sideloading

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khsh01@reddit

Why not just buy a dumb tv and hook up a phone to it?

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rokejulianlockhart@reddit

Some are too underpowered, but a laptop should work.

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AshuraBaron@reddit

If this catches on then I’m sure someone will figure out a way to jailbreak it.

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PopularMagazine8710@reddit

While it appears difficult to sideload vega (rooting requires reboot?) can you not just clone the current fire OS to work on later devices? Or have a kali like Vega distro?

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TheBendit@reddit

It has 1GB memory so it is difficult to find a use case for it

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AMGz20xx@reddit

Arch Linux uses just 160MB RAM in CLI mode, and 256MB or less when running XFCE or Enlightenment DE. That leaves enough for web browsing, multimedia playback and even retro console emulation.

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TheBendit@reddit

Sure, but why not just buy a Pi? Vastly easier to work with and likely similar price.

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AMGz20xx@reddit

An old laptop or desktop would be the same price but faster than a Pi with better software compatibility as it uses x86_64

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kingpiece1@reddit

It's Linux there's no way they can stop people it just depends on the complexity of the hack

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ipaqmaster@reddit

That's always true. Nothing special about Linux there.

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AshuraBaron@reddit

That's true of any OS. Nothing is truly secure. Especially when you have physical access. It's just if someone finds it worth doing.

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itopires@reddit

Amazon's best option is to rely on its own ecosystem; it has more control. Android itself is very monopolized. Congratulations to Amazon for advancing in the fight against the Android monopoly.

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Android is not monopolized in the slightest. You can basically take it, use it as the core or something, and basically make your own operating system out of it. It's, if anything, fragmented. Hell even Amazon used, and still uses, it in FireOS.

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itopires@reddit

Of course it's monopolized, wake up from your dream please 😅

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Teenage_techboy1234@reddit

Please elaborate.

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Dapper_Extent_7474@reddit

I asked Gemini about this and it basically said to avoid any device with Vega OS like the plague and actually recommended an ONN box from Walmart lol

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calgarygringo@reddit

How long until some of the Linux gurus figure it all out. If it truly is Linux somebody will.

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CortaCircuit@reddit

So another dogshit TV OS...

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maxtinion_lord@reddit

A dime a dozen, are there any good ones even?

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mrturret@reddit

Nope. Smart TVs are just inherently a terrible idea.

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Damn-Sky@reddit

tcl tvs with google tv are great.

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nietzscheentchen_@reddit

Exactly.
Buy a dumb TV, if you can still get one, buy a 1-2l passive-cooled mini-pc, install linux and kodi and hook it up the the TV. That mini-pc is still gonna run in 10yrs and noones gonna be able to force the bullshit on you they are trying with their smart-tvs

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Swizzel-Stixx@reddit

Problem is that it is impossible to get a dumb tb

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nietzscheentchen_@reddit

https://www.sceptre.com/TV/4K-UHD-TV/U650CV-UMRD-65-4K-UHD-TV-product1171category1category73.html

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Offbeatalchemy@reddit

Find it at your E-Tailers

Looks inside.

Putting in the Model number to amazon only returns a remote and walmart returns nothing.

Also twice the price of a smart tv with equivalent specs.

I've yet to find a modern dumb tv that is 1) worth it without being ripped off and 2) i can actually buy without going through hoops to buy it.

Smart TVs are here to stay sadly. Buy a TV based on the hardware specs you need, disable of all their smart features and never connect them to the internet. That's the best we're gonna get.

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berickphilip@reddit

Until they start trying even worse bullshit like requiring internet connection for "first time setup".

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loozerr@reddit

Smart tv without a network connection is dumb.

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mrturret@reddit

I just use computer monitors.

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nietzscheentchen_@reddit

Usually the most expensive option and technically not a TV.

You can also go for those "business TVs" btw that companies use for display. Also technically no TV, cuz they don't have tuners, but a cheaper and dumb TV screen ready to be hooked up to a PC.

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Damn-Sky@reddit

google/android tv?

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Corrosive_copper154@reddit

I like AndroidTV

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jakethesnake949@reddit

Im convinced users love it, so manufacturers and Google have done everything to avoid it.

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BokehJunkie@reddit

It's not an embedded OS, but I really like the Apple TV OS.

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birdsandberyllium@reddit

Except for one of the worst on-screen keyboards ever conceived. And the noticeable lack of a web browser

But those are my only two complaints

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cpressland@reddit

You can actually change the keyboard layout to a grid layout in the AppleTV settings: https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/fix-apple-tv-default-keyboard-layout/

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birdsandberyllium@reddit

If only there were certain arrangements of a grid of letters that we've all been staring at for the last 40 years Apple could have used as a reference for their on screen keyboard...

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Wonderful-Citron-678@reddit

Are you saying qwerty would be better? That has no place there either, is for remotes.

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birdsandberyllium@reddit

Have you not entered text on a game console in the last twenty years? They all use QWERTY or whatever is appropriate for your locale, and you're entering text with directional buttons exactly like the Apple TV remote. In fact, you'd find it difficult to find a modern TV interface that doesn't use a QWERTY grid; so please tell me more about why they're somehow all wrong.

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Wonderful-Citron-678@reddit

They are wrong because the qwerty layout is a legacy of typewriters and doesn’t remotely map to a four way directional input. Im not saying Apple did better. But we can do better.

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BokehJunkie@reddit

I hadn't thought about the keyboard - I use my iphone as the remote 99% of the time. I only vaguely know where my hardware remote is.

And honestly, I've never felt like I needed a web browser on the apple TV. Interesting.

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birdsandberyllium@reddit

Well personally trying to navigate without any tactile feedback sucks and Apple obviously agrees otherwise they would've kept the old remote design.

And consider yourself lucky that every video you'd want to watch on your TV has an Apple TV app to watch it from.

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MC_chrome@reddit

And consider yourself lucky that every video you'd want to watch on your TV has an Apple TV app to watch it from.

There has been a Plex app on tvOS for as long as I can remember

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mshriver2@reddit

If they don't have Jellyfin that's a crime. Plex is beyond garbage these days.

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MC_chrome@reddit

There is a Jellyfin app as well, called SwiftFin. It is developed by the same folks behind Jellyfin (Github link for authenticity)

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BokehJunkie@reddit

Out of curiosity what do you try to watch that there’s not an app for?

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birdsandberyllium@reddit

Well recently streams/VODs of the World Games back in August; they have a mobile app but it didn't have any cast functionality.

Otherwise it's usually small local and foreign TV stations, and illicit sports-streaming sites

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Rockwallaby77@reddit

I just usually use the mic

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SeniorSmokalot@reddit

Is it now possible to put something on with AirPlay from your phone and then use your phone ? Had the experience streaming a video and when reading news or watching YouTube on the phone the stream on tv broke. That’s why I switched to chromecast

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Wonderful-Citron-678@reddit

Yes, that’s how it works.

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maxtinion_lord@reddit

I really hate admitting that the apple TV os gave me the best experience I've had yet, aside from a jail broken LG TV I didn't get to play with much.

I really wish there were vibrant scenes for custom Linux distros for tvs and phones but I find myself quite disappointed Everytime I look at either one.

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purplemagecat@reddit

I would literally just use a cheap x86 mini pc running Linux .

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Eu-is-socialist@reddit

Yep ... that's what i'm using ... It's far superior experience !

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maxtinion_lord@reddit

Yeah htpc is the way to go, has been forever, but there's something that irks me about leaving the soc that came with the 'smart' TV to rot, especially because the newer ones are capable of receiving modern encodes like av1 and some can even run basic games, this whole integrating computers into everything movement has really made it tough to justify even owning these devices, because I have a hard time with not utilizing the tech that I buy lol

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purplemagecat@reddit

I probably wouldn’t buy a smart tv In the first place. Mine would just be some kind of monitor with built in speakers, a mini pc and a Logitech k400 as a controller.

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maxtinion_lord@reddit

Thing is, smart tvs tend to be way cheaper than dumb tvs, not to mention way easier to obtain, they straight up don't produce them as much anymore, plus companies will subsidize the price of smart tvs and can make it up by selling the data collected after. The market conditions mean that smart tvs are the only reasonable option if you aren't an executive customer and don't wish to waste money.

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purplemagecat@reddit

Of course they are..

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maxtinion_lord@reddit

It's a cruel world we live in

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void_nemesis@reddit

Device trees are the curse of Linux on ARM. It's basically impossible to have a generic distro for all these weird SoCs used in TVs and set top boxes.

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PureTryOut@reddit

It's not impossible, but it's incredibly hard. The same thing is a problem on mobile and we're (very) slowly fixing it. Things like porting u-boot to the platform so we get EFI support and handover of the device tree to the kernel so the Linux image at least can be generic.

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maxtinion_lord@reddit

yeah I figure it's due to abnormal hardware config and compatibility problems lol, just a damn shame because the jailbreaking scenes for these devices are always very interesting, if a little lacking pretty often.

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BokehJunkie@reddit

the apple TV is the only one that doesn't eventually feel laggy to me. (I also really like having it separate from my TV for exactly that reason) I know they're expensive compared to some of the Roku / Fire TV devices, but the difference is night and day.

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ImDonaldDunn@reddit

Apple TV is just so much better than the rest, it’s embarrassing.

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CortaCircuit@reddit

Apple TV is the best. It is the only apple product I own.

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JakeGrey@reddit

LibreELEC on a cheap SFF desktop, preferably one that has a built-in DVD drive, hooked up to a projector or a big monitor.

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maxtinion_lord@reddit

I have yet to find a nice small form factor case with a spot for a disc drive lol, that sounds like an absolute dream to build an htpc in though, I should do some more looking..

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JakeGrey@reddit

Older model Dell Optiplexes often have one. Performance isn't going to be great but if you're just running Kodi then it'll probably get the job done.

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AMGz20xx@reddit

Android TV/Google TV is the best IMO. You have access to many apps from Google Play, like Netflix, BBC iPlayer and VLC media player. You can replace the slow and shitty stock launcher with a more lightweight and customisable one like Projectivy Launcher. And best of all, you can install SmartTube to watch YouTube with adblocker and Sponsorblock.

Alternatively you can just hook up a Linux PC to your TV for multimedia, gaming and android emulation via Waydroid.

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necrophcodr@reddit

webOS, the LG one, is actually not bad, and does indeed support custom apps and shit too. Running your oen build of it isn't entirely non-trivial though.

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Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit

No. It's already outdated and without updates. We have it at home.

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necrophcodr@reddit

What do you mean outdated and without updates? It sure is still an OS being developed an updated. Might be that your TV model doesn't receive updates, but that isn't inherent to the OS, nor is it impossible for you to circumvent.

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Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit

As you say. The given model has no updates. And it is actually unusable because it has not received any updates for the applications that would work. It is just a stupid piece of cake.

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firebreathingbunny@reddit

A diamond dozen/*

It's a common mistake so not judging!

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Remote-Combination28@reddit

Did you really just incorrectly correct somebody, that badly? And haven’t removed your comment yet?

Crazy

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_harveyghost@reddit

Ya sure about that?

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Journeyj012@reddit

a what

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bawng@reddit

r/confidentlyincorrect

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maxtinion_lord@reddit

You had me scared for a sec lol

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dime_a_Dozen

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cpressland@reddit

Erm, no?! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dime_a_Dozen

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Glittering_Guard6923@reddit

It is honestly nuts more people don't have Apple Tv. It is better than all the other shitty boxes and no ads on your homescreen

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CortaCircuit@reddit

Yeah, the Apple TV is the only Apple device that I own and it is by far the best TV box.

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HonestRepairSTL@reddit

I'm waiting for someone to get so fed up with Android TV that they just make an open-source Linux-based TV OS that doesn't suck

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polytect@reddit

Lol, 🤣 Dongshit Prime for 9.99

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angrykeyboarder@reddit

I have full-blown Amazon prime for $6.99 a month. And I hardly ever watch prime video. But I take full advantage of the speedy and free shipping

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Dialectic-Compiler@reddit

a Linux-based OS that doesn't support sideloading

Wow! This is worthless!

Seriously, they may as well have announced that they're releasing it with Red Star OS, because I'm not touching it regardless (Red Star OS might actually have a better respect for user privacy than whatever Amazon produces).

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onecoolcrudedude@reddit

"well said, comrade."

-kim

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Dialectic-Compiler@reddit

Hey, don't get me wrong, I know they'd spy on me. Plus Red Star OS is proprietary, and as such not to be trusted regardless.

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siete82@reddit

Tivolization is back. And to think that this could be avoided if Linux were GPLv3...

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dovahshy15@reddit

They would've used something like FreeBSD then just like Sony and Nintendo uses it as the foundation for their OSes.

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onecoolcrudedude@reddit

the switch doesnt use freebsd, it uses a custom RTOS which is based off of the L4 microkernel family.

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ILoveTolkiensWorks@reddit

EXACTLY. Huge mistake imo

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IY94@reddit

Avoided in the sense they wouldn't have used Linux but instead something else with a less permissive licence?

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ILoveTolkiensWorks@reddit

They'd have to put in a LOT more into R&D then, if they went for something like BSD

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josephguy82@reddit

You never know Vega os could be good I am willing to give it an chance at least

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madmax4k@reddit

what's good about it?

-locked down OS, can't sideload
-many apps need to run via their cloud service (ie streamed) since there is not many apps
and the devs need to port it to the new vegasOS (if they even bother doing it.
-you can also say goodbye to apps like smart tube since you can't sideload it etc..

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Aggressive-Poem740@reddit

I’m very grateful, your post helped me make a decision.

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HarpooonGun@reddit

Its not fucking sideloading, its installing an app.

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NordschleifeLover@reddit

Well, you can probably install apps from their store. Everyone knows how sideloading differs from that, so stop acting crazy about this word.

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InternetAnon94@reddit

sideloading is just a buzz word to make installing an app from a third party source looks like an illegal act.

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NordschleifeLover@reddit

I think you should consult a dictionary before saying something silly next time.

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InternetAnon94@reddit

classic linux sub ego. never change

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-Sa-Kage-@reddit

The word just implies this being bad somehow and makes it seem justified.

Just imagine Windows now banning installing apps outside of MS Store (aka banning side-loading)... It would be completely crippled and Microsoft would face major backslash.

Just with mobile and TV OSes some people are defending this BS

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NordschleifeLover@reddit

Nobody defended the ban in this thread though. It's just the word 'sideloading' is clear and understood by everyone in this context. It's short and doesn't require additional explanations.

The PC market is very different has a long history of openness, which is why 'sideloading' in case of Windows would indeed sound very silly.

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C0rn3j@reddit

"This TV does not support installing 3rd party applications" doesn't have quite the same ring to it

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iamakorndawg@reddit

"This TV has been intentionally crippled to only run code approved by the manufacturer so that they can be the sole arbiters of what content can be consumed and so that they can squeeze out more profit by extorting app developers for the privilege of developing apps for the TV."

FIFY

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El_Sjakie@reddit

This should be a large sticker with the text on every TV box that leaves a store or depot

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Fun_Capital_9113@reddit

DOA. Non technical people brought these BECAUSE people in this thread recommended them.

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mrturret@reddit

I hate smart TVs. The only thing a TV should do is display the video sent to it with as little processing as possible. Everything else should be handled by whatever you're plugging into it.

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Gugalcrom123@reddit

I want to see a type of display that doesn't know to do anything except light up the pixels according to the digital signal. No tuner, no OSD, settings controlled through signal, nothing else. Like a laptop screen in a case.

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Eldritch800XC@reddit

Your looking for commercial displays

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mrturret@reddit

Computer monitors are basically that. There is generally an OSD, but it's usually limited to display calibration settings, which is totally fine. I actually run both my PC and consoles through one of the two on my desk. (the IPS LCD for 8th gen+ consoles, and an early 2000s VGA CRT for anything older).

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Cry_Wolff@reddit

TBH my LG OLED is pretty ok. webOS just works, is easy to use and receives frequent updates. I was thinking about buying an external TV box, but I feel no need.

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Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit

How long will it continue to receive updates? How long have you had it?

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Cry_Wolff@reddit

I'm not sure, it's a model from 2021.

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Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit

I'm afraid that this is the end of your updates this year. And over time, you'll just have a patch that won't be compatible with newer things.

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Any-Classroom-5890@reddit

Ne ich habe wesentlich ältere Geräte von LG die auch noch über die zugesicherte Zeit (glaube zurzeit 5 Jahre) aktuelle Updates sowie LgOs25 erhalten.

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torsten_dev@reddit

No crashes, ungodly slow response time that seems to get worse every year?

That's what our Sony android smart tv is like atm and I really hate it.

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Slackeee_@reddit

Anyone that ever worked in technical customer support knows exactly why they are doing that: because there will be a large number of stupid people trying to download malware form the Internet because it promises them that they can watch paid services for free, in the process bricking their devices or trying to sue Amazon if their account/payment data has been stolen.

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Nayir1@reddit

Much more likely their metrics tell them Kodi is being used for like 100 million hours a month on their devices and they are increasingly in the content business.

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PiingThiing@reddit

Nobody bought a firestick for the Amazon content, they know that right?

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ITXEnjoyer@reddit

Smart TVs are bad enough as it is. I can't imagine how dogshit this will be for ads and intrusion.

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C5-O@reddit

Seriously, what happened to dumb TVs?

It's a TV it needs to take a HDMI or DP input and display it on the pixels, anything extra just makes it die quicker once it's out of warranty.

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Dialectic-Compiler@reddit

I do not at all understand the fixation on "smart" devices; given the undependable, generally short, update lifecycles and the dogged refusal to ever release their code as free software, the inevitable end results seems to be a device with a deprecated OS connected to my network. Fuck that, I'll pay extra just to have a "dumb" device.

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bstock@reddit

Just ignore the 'smart' OS on them. Hook up an nVidia Shield/Apple TV/Roku/whatever and do everything through there. Don't even setup the wifi/wired internet on the TV.

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C5-O@reddit

Even if they let you do that, all the smart stuff makes them less reliable than just a display. Best case is the UI just becomes more sluggish over time, worst case the smart stuff dies and kills the whole TV.

Our old smart TV turned into a giant paperweight after 5 years because its CPU died. Our newer smart TV that's used just like you suggested, has gotten slower whenever you wanna switch inputs or adjust settings. Meanwhile the dumb TV my grandparents bought ~15 years ago still works like it's brand new...

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OkNewspaper6271@reddit

Ikr, ill take a tv with just display input and usb data input any day over any of this smart tv bullshit

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matthewpepperl@reddit

You can technically get dumb tvs but they really are not tvs they are commercial displays and are more like a giant computer monitor they are also alot more expensive

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rafalkopiec@reddit

more expensive because: a. they are guaranteed for more uptime reliability b. they are not subsidised by selling user data

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substantialparadox@reddit

What are the options for non-smart TVs in 2026? I just don’t want my TV to start “analyzing” what the HDMI I just connected is for which takes forever. I want it to be truly plug and play, a dumb modern TV with good resolution.

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itzjackybro@reddit

And Linux is GPL2 making this completely fine.

(this is why Stallman made GPL3)

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Gugalcrom123@reddit

The problem is Torvalds is getting paid by Amazon, Google and Samsung so he won't switch.

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Damglador@reddit

The problem is, all the contributors would have to agree to move their GPLv2 code under GPLv3 license, which is practically impossible at this point.

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Batman_Night@reddit

Also because Linus himself hate GPL 3

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TheRealMonkeVR@reddit

it doesn't WHAT!?

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Jeoshua@reddit

The only good thing about this is that it means there's a chance that you could flash the rom in some way to install a real Linux install.

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siete82@reddit

Except that the drivers for making the thing work will be a binary blob that won't work in any kernel except the stock one.

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SteveHamlin1@reddit

Easy enough for ROM developers to use the Vega kernel & modules (including the binary blobs) with a more-open userspace.

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Jeoshua@reddit

Don't know why you got downvoted. Whether or not that's the intended, legal, totally above board way to do it, or not, that could be the case.

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Mars_Bear2552@reddit

maybe, maybe not. all of the GPL parts will need to be open source, so it's entirely probable the blobs would run if you applied amazon's changes.

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JakeGrey@reddit

Trust Amazon to design a distro that makes Linpus Linux Lite look good by comparison.

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government--agent@reddit

No sideloading means the vast majority of Fire Stick users are no longer going to be buying Fire Sticks going forward.

Amazon is stupid for doing this.

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dimspace@reddit

Yeh, it's going to flop badly.

Fire sticks have/had two markets.

1) for people who did not have smart TV's who wanted to be able to play Netflix, prime etc on their TV

2) people who want to install IPTV players or Kodi to access sports etc.

The first one is barely a thing nowadays, most people will have smart capable TV's now to some degree which leaves the second one, which they will now be killing off.

They will be back on Android by 2026

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dreakon@reddit

Vast majority in this subreddit, maybe. The general public is just using them to ask Alexia to play more Desperate Housewives and Football.

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KoolKat5000@reddit

I think you'll be surprised, even just for developers, dogshit proprietary OS' on smart TVs are missing applications so people buy firesticks, the only reason the application is there is because it's easy for the developers to add to the Amazon app store because they've developed it for android already.

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ad-on-is@reddit

👍🏻Linux based

👎🏻 no sideloading

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Sh1v0n@reddit

Don't worry the hack... I mean, the nature will find the way. 😅

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nevyn28@reddit

r/fuckamazon

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SourceBrilliant4546@reddit

It's so easy to jack a PC in.

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kryptobolt200528@reddit

I am pretty sure this is gonna become the norm if people keep buying this sh1t which i am sure is gonna happen...

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OnlineParacosm@reddit

Day late and an Alexa short. My girlfriend uses Alexa to speech-to-text commands into YouTube and I find that really funny that’s it’s a glorified Siri for like billions of $

I’ll never move off a chromecast unless 4k compression and streaming gets really fast

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WeepingAgnello@reddit

"Side-loading" /lol. How do they cripple that basic functionality?

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TheGargageMan@reddit

I'm sure the world will be a better place when open source is controlled by a few major corporations.

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SteveHamlin1@reddit

How is this "open source...controlled by a few major corporations" ?

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firebreathingbunny@reddit

Canonical, Red Hat, and Suse essentially teamed up to shove systemd down everyone's throats and they are now attempting to do the same with Wayland.

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CedricTheCurtain@reddit

They aren't the people to be mad with. It those that use open source software in a subversive way. Like Amazon and Google.

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firebreathingbunny@reddit

Anybody that attempts to subvert the market deserves a punching up. The companies I listed are just as guilty of that. Nobody asked for a systemd-only ecosystem then and nobody wants a Wayland-only ecosystem now.

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ankaramesimesimesi@reddit

lol a company using Linux for their proprietary OS is completely non-news and not bad for open source in any way

reddit is becoming a majestic place for shit takes

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KinTharEl@reddit

You mean the Facebook currently filled with AI-bot accounts posting pictures of African children creating Jesus images with bananas, that Septagenarians are thinking is real and commenting "Amen"? You're finding meaningful discussions there? Okay then.

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ankaramesimesimesi@reddit

You mean "the" Reddit with pages of threads about grape fantasies, probably zoophilia (or is that forbidden?) and God knows what? I was clearly talking about tech subs/groups hahaha get outta here

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KinTharEl@reddit

I mean, for all its faults (and there are many), Reddit is pretty good about only showing content that's adjacent to what you've searching for. My reddit account has never shown porn considering I don't search for porn on Reddit. So if you're seeing that kind of content, you're outing yourself on what you're subbing to and searching for.

Can't really say the same for Facebook. Or are we conveniently forgetting the decade plus history of child porn, gore, political brainwashing, etc that Facebook has been proven to show anyone because it's apparently a place for meaningful discussions?

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canezila@reddit

I have the same focused topics I follow within reddit subs. I find the professional audio group reaches a ton of high level thinkers. The different Linux subs are also outstanding. I have never seen anything bad here because I don't search for it. Yet, Facebook throws crapass politics in my face. If I want to learn more about politics I would find a better, precise way to get the best information and then find out what the other side is coming from and figure out where I stand. I don't need every other person likes this..... Or the other side.... Yuck. Waste of time

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ankaramesimesimesi@reddit

I'm speechless

My point was you judging tech groups because of some weird sht you have seen on other places doesnt mean tech groups like that

and guess what, same applies to reddit, that contains R/grape_fantasies and other deranged crp that I am NOT seeing but I know exists

This brainde*d discussion is a waste of CO2

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KinTharEl@reddit

You specifically sought out r/linux, a community around an FOSS operating system and you're surprised that it holds open source evangelists? That's akin to going to the same subreddits you've mentioned (surprised you know their names) and wondering why there aren't discussions around consensual intercourse.

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TheGargageMan@reddit

okay. Sorry to disappoint. Enjoy facebook.

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canezila@reddit

Facebook is total shit.

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TheGargageMan@reddit

But it is where the guy I'm talking to can have more meaningful discussion. not shit takes like "facebook is total shit."

Don't steal his joy.

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canezila@reddit

I have Facebook. It scares me. I cringe when someone mentions something like a meaningful discussion.

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ankaramesimesimesi@reddit

last time I used facebook it was 2016 when I was 12, it sure was more meaningful than a generic du ck da corporations comment in a thread about a company choosing as a base for their product an open source project, to which it will contribute back patches while also gaining exactly 0 power over it

You are making this place worse than FB, enjoy

last try to see if the comment goes through before giving up

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ankaramesimesimesi@reddit

last time I used facebook it was 2016 when I was 12, it sure was more meaningful than a generic duck da corporations comment in a thread about a company choosing as a base for their product an open source project, to which it will contribute back patches while also gaining exactly 0 power over it

You are making this place worse than Facebook, enjoy wasting your time writing comments that add nothing to the discussion

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ankaramesimesimesi@reddit

last time I used facebook it was 2016 when I was 12, it sure was more meaningful than a generic fuck da corporations comment under a company choosing an open source project as a base, to which it will contribute back patches

You are making this place worse than Facebook, enjoy

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KinTharEl@reddit

I mean, I guess he finds meaning in talking to AI-bot accounts posting impossible pictures and hearing "Amen" by 80-year olds a thousand times. Who are we to judge?

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malwolficus@reddit

Honest to fuck, Amazon should not be allowed to do that with Linux.

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siete82@reddit

They are because Linus didn't want to migrate Linux to GPL3.

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SteveHamlin1@reddit

He can't - it would require agreement from every contributor with code in the current kernel, , or else rewriting every part from those contribuotrs that don't agree (which would be many).

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TheBendit@reddit

He likely could have, at the time it was first discussed. It would have taken some rewriting.

Linux has been through a bit of relicensing back in the day, e.g. when BSD-licensed code was originally introduced. It took a while to get the module licensing to a place where most of the kernel contributors agree as well.

Moving to GPLv3 would have been a larger effort than that, but not huge.

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SteveHamlin1@reddit

You don't need to re-license BSD-licensed code to use it in the kernel.

"Moving to GPLv3 would have been a larger effort than that, but not huge."

The GPLv3 was finalized in mid-2007 - by that point, the linux kernel had 8.5 million LOC. And, according to the Linux Foundation, close to 1,000 contributors as of 2007. All of whom would need to agree to re-license their copyrights from GPL v2 to v3.

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IngwiePhoenix@reddit

You lost me at "no sideloading".

Man do I wish we had some manufacturer slapping SBCs together with some panels via internal DP interface (LVDS or smth?) and just allow us to run stuff that way.

Recently went shopping for a TV for my parents; the landscape is pretty morbid. :/ Had to settle for an LG TV because they need Auracast for their hearing aids...

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yukeake@reddit

Another shitty locked-down TV interface, like we didn't have enough of those already. And I'd expect this to be loaded with ads and privacy-violating "features", because, well, it's Amazon.

Hard pass.

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DistributionRight261@reddit

Quite appealing....

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Sorrylols@reddit

Quite ~~appealing~~ appalling....

FTFY

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wowsuchlinuxkernel@reddit

...yet

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KoolKat5000@reddit

I don't think the folks at Amazon realise why their firesticks are so popular 🙈🙈🙈 it's definitely not because of Amazon's software lol

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Comprehensive_Toad@reddit

A diamond dozen*

I don’t get your joke

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matt-x1@reddit

Ah, so that people can't install ad blockers... I already reduced my monthly Amazon spendings by 80%, now I have motivation to aim for 100%.

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KinTharEl@reddit

Yeah, no. I don't even own a TV and I hate all TV OSes from the times I have to interact with them at my parent's place or at my friends' houses.

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Vova_xX@reddit

awesome, Linux should be able to be used in anything, by anyone.

I don't care if terrorists are using it to jailbreak US weaponry or companies using it to lockdown their products. that's the spirit of open-source.

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Rialagma@reddit

And also contributing back to the project! If you're gonna build your ad-infested, brain-rotting entertainment machine on Linux, chuck a few millions to the developers every once in a while.

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the_abortionat0r@reddit

What in the actual fuck is wrong with you?

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Nearby_Astronomer310@reddit

Nothing you are just stupid. You just don't get his point. The spirit of open-source is to be able to do anything freely.

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Bonevelous_1992@reddit

This is an example of Embrace, Extend and Extinguish and you won't convince me otherwise

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Nearby_Astronomer310@reddit

you won't convince me otherwise

Like you are anything important.

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canezila@reddit

That's not nice. This person has a family. Surely important to someone

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removedI@reddit

So cheap tv-boxes amazon sells at a loss that can run Linux? Hmmmm.....

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removedI@reddit

Maybe this will improve support for standards like Atmos. Could be a chance, even though I couldn't care less for an OS like that.

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KevlarUnicorn@reddit

They might as well be Microsoft with their spying and bloat. Nah, I'll pass.

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FortuneIIIPick@reddit

We don't use a smart TV. We use a 15 year old laptop running Ubuntu Linux but with KDE Desktop instead of Gnome Desktop and have Snap and Flatpak disabled. We stream everything in Chrome.

Instead of a traditional remote, we use an Air Mouse we got on Amazon to control the TV in our MBR and in our LR, we use the Air Mouse to change audio and a real mouse to control the "HDTV", using it like a remote.

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dannyvegas@reddit

Nice. Something I certainly don’t want or need.

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tapafon@reddit

I'm suprised they didn't use *BSD (like Sony did).

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Sarashana@reddit

Corporations can stuff their locked-down garbage into a really dark place.

I never allowed a TV to access the internet. And I never will.

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