What do you think is the best sport sedan in the world currently on sale?

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madbasic@reddit

Giulia Quad and it doesn’t matter that it’s at the end of its life cycle

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I just glazed the Giulia in a different thread a few days ago. Rented one on turo for a bit and omg did I love that car. I've been in just about everything from when I worked at a used high end dealer. Supra, maybachs, amg, fucking lambos and rolls. That Giulia is something special. And one of our contractors has had one for years with no issues pushing 130k ish. I'd love one for myself.

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PanicDry@reddit

I own the 4 cylinder 2.0T non quad version of the Giulia. It isn't bonkers like the quad and way cheaper to maintain but it's by far the best car I've ever driven and it will probably be in my garage the rest of my life. It's right quick and the steering and handling is almost telepathic. I can only imagine what the quad is like.

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Far_Grass_785@reddit

Did you drive the Quadrifoglio or the 4 cylinder?

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Ego-Death@reddit

If you get a higher level trim on the four-cylinder, it’s basically the Quad without the expensive carbon, fiber, exterior bits, electronically, adjusting suspension, and TwinTurbo, V-6. That said, tuners have discovered I can push 400 hp with a hybrid, turbo, and a tune. There’s even videos on the Internet of a guy working with I think it was squadra or jb4 I hate soaking the engine to stress test one of the early tunes. TLDR: If you have the money by the quad. If you want something more reliable with less expensive, annual maintenance, get the four-cylinder because you can tune it up to comparable performance. Even the four-cylinder has incredible handling you would literally have to spend over $80,000 to buy a better handling four-door.

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Far_Grass_785@reddit

Do you know if those tunes affect the reliability of the 4 cylinder?

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Ego-Death@reddit

Any kind of tune that pushes more horsepower out of an engine will affect reliability. What is reliable to you? Could you drive this thing for another five years only doing regular maintenance? Probably. Will it guzzle gas more than it did before? Probably. A lot of times these aftermarket houses will take a very conservative approach and tune, a test mule in stages, bumping up the power a little bit each time to develop their finished product. Because the four-cylinder requires so few supporting mods to achieve what’s currently out there makes it easy to access for consumers. The great part about tuning modern cars is everything is so electronic. You can usually deactivate the tune with an app on your button so you don’t have to run it the whole time.

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Far_Grass_785@reddit

Thanks for the insight!!

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KeldyPlays@reddit

4 cylinder not the quad. From what I've read the quads are money pits. I have no experience anecdotal or otherwise regarding the quads. I only know a couple people woth the 4 cylinder and the one I had on turo for a week was a four cylinder.

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Slumberjack08@reddit

See all i've ever heard is that the 4 cylinder is an excellent, reliable, and sporty luxury sedan, while the quad is a money burning psychopathic basket case(like a real alfa romeo lol)

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Sukpreme@reddit

Have a 2024 Quad and its such an amazing car. Great ride, super fast, amazing handling. The interior is great, but infotainment and drive settings are lacking a bit. Can definitely be a money pit if you're not prepared though. Both local Alfa dealers quoted me $750 for *just an oil change* lol. Oh yeah, reliability isn't an issue like all the "Alfa Romeo" expects here on reddit claim. The stock battery sucks and causes issues so get a better replacement and there very reliable.

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Bryce804@reddit

Your first paragraph is my experience with my 24. I did my first oil change myself at home, not cheap but less then 200 total. The serpentine belt at 30k is the truly expensive maintenance.

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eric043921@reddit

Yep and brakes and rotors from the dealer are expensive too

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LinusandLucy2016@reddit

I would have to agree since I have been driving one since March. I love that car. My husband doesn't get my attachment to the car. It gets washed weekly, interior done ever 2 weeks. I have driven cars with lots of HP over the years. My dad has always been a collector of cars. He has a Mustang that he had some work done to it. HP is now around 850 in that. Amongst some others. Blackwing though is like you are flying. It is a smooth ride. My ass doesn't hurt when I get out like some more traditional sports cars (I'm nearing 50, my butt likes a cushioned ride now). Tried Mercedes aand BMW too. Honestly, they felt hollow when you stepped on it. I get a more solid, confident acceleration in the Blackwing.

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encore_18@reddit

M3 competition, both blackwings, rs5 , rs7 if ya got the bankroll lol

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SuitableRutabaga8601@reddit

I own a 2024 turbo s and have driven blackwings audis quad and many others but the 2026 m3 comp xdrive is in a class above anything including the m5 and tycan or panamera. with porsche its 911 or caymans. Electric cars are JUNK, and lose power as they age quickly.

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SuitableRutabaga8601@reddit

the 2.8 0-60 m3 comp xdrive hands down!

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BassWingerC-137@reddit

Lucid Air - I’m a diehard petrol fan. Leased one of these to see what the EV hype is all about. It’s been phenomenal.

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DesiDjango@reddit

Got one after test driving for 15 minutes. Still brings a smile to my face everyday and every minute of my total 2-hour daily commute. Quick, luxurious, spacious, family hauler … everything I could want in a sports sedan.

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Consistent-Flan-4318@reddit

"everything I could want in a sports sedan.".. Except the driving experience, voice and interactivity.

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ddlbb@reddit

It's like calling an S class a sports sedan

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BassWingerC-137@reddit

Don’t take my ownership experience for it. “Especially with the Grand Touring Performance trim you learn quickly that **this is a premium sport sedan**. The ride isn't Mercedes EQS smooth, but we know which car we'd rather drive on a winding road. Don't think of the Lucid as a one-dimensional **sport sedan**, though. A road trip with my parents reminded me how useful the electric Air's frunk and trunk can be…” - MotorTrend https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-lucid-air-grand-touring-performance-yearlong-test-review-verdict “the Lucid's overall performance is better both as an EV and as** a sports sedan.”** - Car & Driver https://www.caranddriver.com/lucid-motors/air “Mixes limo luxury with **sports saloon ** vigour, suspension well-suited for its power, head-turning looks” - Top Gear https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/lucid/air

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ddlbb@reddit

Fair - it's like calling an S class a sports a sedan

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BassWingerC-137@reddit

Except the Air is the size of an E Class and weights 600 pounds less. (And 200 pounds less than an M5.)

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BassWingerC-137@reddit

The Air was designed with the E39 M5 as a targeted driving dynamic. It’s 10% shorter in length than an S-Class, and lighter than a current M5. So?

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Organic-End-9767@reddit

I'm contemplating trading in my Tesla S for one

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proscriptus@reddit

I do not think you can call that a sport sedan.

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BassWingerC-137@reddit

Maybe it’s merely a luxury sedan that our-perform, out-sports, the competition.

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ddnys@reddit

Lucid Air all day

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erstengs@reddit

Good shout

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BathLoose7585@reddit

Audi RS3

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Definitelyabotnocap@reddit

CT5V blackwing with a 6mt. I can't think of a 2nd place that isn't a million miles behind it.

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ScaryfatkidGT@reddit

CT4 then Giulia

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ScaryfatkidGT@reddit

CT4-V Blackwing

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yulagde34300@reddit

Currently I don't know there is a lot of choice and everyone will tell you their favorite model here, for my part what impressed me a few years ago was the Lexus ISF but it is no longer marketed.

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Great-Internal-380@reddit

Taycan turbo s first, Lucid second.

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Much_Box996@reddit

Ever wonder where they put the turbo?

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AssignmentNo8361@reddit

I am still trying to figure out how Chevy can fit all of Colorado in their trucks.

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Much_Box996@reddit

Didn’t know colorado was a performance part historically associated with performance vehicles.

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AssignmentNo8361@reddit

This is German car, so you're being quite dense. In German, Turbo is figuratively used to describe accelerating or working faster. German: Den Turbo einschalten Turbo- (as a prefix): Used to describe something that is fast, powerful, or happens quickly. Turbokapitalismus (turbo-capitalism) Turboabitur (a shortened, faster track to the Abitur, or high school diploma)

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Much_Box996@reddit

You are being dense as it isn’t used as a prefix and since 1974 it has meant the engine has a turbo. From the porsche website When Porsche revealed the 911 Turbo – its first-ever turbo-charged series production car – at the Paris Motor Show in October 1974, it would have been difficult to have imagined the icon that it would become.

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AssignmentNo8361@reddit

So you're saying it was used in the name to... Let me check "... to describe something that is fast, powerful, or happens quickly" 🤔

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Much_Box996@reddit

If you can name one model with the name turbo that doesn’t have a turbo other than electric, you win.

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AssignmentNo8361@reddit

The base model Porsche 718 Cayman is equipped with a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine. This turbocharged engine produces 300 horsepower and is a defining characteristic of the 718 generation's base model, distinguishing it from the naturally aspirated engines found in previous generation.

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Much_Box996@reddit

You gave the wrong example. I said a non-electric model that has turbo in the name but the engine doesn’t have a turbo.

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AssignmentNo8361@reddit

I listed a model that is equipped with a Turbo that doesn't have it in its name. Which asserts that it is not a designation of whether a vehicle has a turbo or not. If you don't understand that, then you simply have issues.

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Much_Box996@reddit

I asked for one example which you cannot provide. Any sensible person can see turbo in the name meant the engine had a turbo until they made an electric car. Putting a turbo on an engine and not adding turbo to the model name is irrelevant.

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AssignmentNo8361@reddit

If you're asserting turbo means it has a turbocharger. You must assert the inverse then. According to Porsche. According to the German language on what turbo means. According to how they name their cars,.as in not all ICE cars with Turbochargers in them have 'Turbo' in them. According to the fact 'GTS' is a car part. According a 'Turbo S' isn't a car part. Despite all of this, you cannot admit you're wrong. The amount of mental gymnastics you have to go through. I hope you don't believe the earth is flat too. It would literally be impossible to convince you otherwise.

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Much_Box996@reddit

Sein 911 hat einen Turbo

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jondes99@reddit

On the bill.

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Much_Box996@reddit

Thats a bingo.

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ekiben_style@reddit

Cries in 2.4 0-60

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Great-Internal-380@reddit

They put it as a nice little badge on the tailgate. So people with actual turbo'd cars can read it.

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austic@reddit

BMW M3 competition

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Bdubz@reddit

Sad no one is mentioning the Stinger GT2

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backflip14@reddit

You could argue it’s the best for the money, but there are better cars out there. I say this as a stinger owner.

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Bdubz@reddit

There are definitely better cars out there. But if you had 40k to spend on a used V6 sports sedan, what would you choose?

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backflip14@reddit

I mean that just comes back to “best for the money”. I was in that exact situation and I chose a stinger because it offered the best performance while still fitting my practicality needs and having a normal cost of ownership. The G70 is the next closest. It’s a step down in practicality and a slight step up in quality. And then after that, you’re looking at Audis and BMWs. I passed on those because of the cost of ownership, but you can get better performance from them.

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EmotionalDiet9245@reddit

BMW M340i

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robo_robb@reddit

Is it true this car is not offered with a manual transmission?

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nvm206@reddit

M340i and m440i never came with a manual transmission. If that’s a requirement I’d get a used 340/440i with a manual and tune it for a lot less the the m lite 340 and 440i. The m lites are just tarted up versions of the basic 340/440. It’s a nice package out the box if you want all the sports packages together with a lot of m’s everywhere and a little more power. But you can get basically the same performance modding a non m-lite. Plus have money leftover to fix the m lite shortcomings like adding proper tuned suspension and LSD which is honestly the most important performance piece and what really separates the m lites from a true m car imo. That and the s code engine.

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robo_robb@reddit

Thanks!

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Jealous-Adeptness-16@reddit

For the price, maybe. But the m3 still exists.

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g_halfront@reddit

For the price, maybe. But the M5 still exists.

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Jealous-Adeptness-16@reddit

I prefer the m3 over the m5. The m3 is a sports car whereas the m5 is a sporty executive sedan. I prefer the sports car genre, but I’m biased since I drive an m4.

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nvm206@reddit

M3 is not a sports car. It is a sports sedan. The m5 is a bigger executive sports sedan. The m2 is a sports coupe. The m4 is a bigger sports coupe. The Z4 and Supra are technically a sports cars in design but drive more like grand tourers, which isn’t surprising considering they’re built on the modular CLAR architecture that all BMW’s are built on now. A cayman, Miata, s2000 or an emira is a sports car designed from the ground up with a purpose built chassis to be a sports car. It just kind of drives me nuts when people call a bmw that’s built on a basic 2, 3, or 4 series commuter car architecture and weighs 1800 kg a sportscar. It’s not. It’s an entirely different class of car and design. If you want a sporty do it all coupe or sedan get a bmw. If you want a sports car get something else.

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herrrrrr@reddit

m340i if you worry about gas money. M3 if you dont care.

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Agreeable_Flight4264@reddit

The gas mileage doesn’t matter in those cars and more doeneds on how they are driven. I

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erstengs@reddit

This is a concept that doesn’t make any sense to me. Your buying a 50k plus car why does an extra $10 at the pump ever make a difference?

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ForgottenCaveRaider@reddit

Because some people string themselves out thin to make the payments on that $50,000 car.

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opbmedia@reddit

In a thread about the best value sports sedan certainly, not the best.

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Lennyguy851@reddit

I don’t think the word value was mentioned

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Sharp_Rub_6795@reddit

Not that your point is any different, but the M340 is a $70k car and the M3 is a $90k car. 😳

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opbmedia@reddit

My 23 M3 base is $99k

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opbmedia@reddit

still get M3 in manual, which to me (and a few people here) best still involve a clutch pedal

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_eg0_@reddit

The Alpina B3 also exists

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opbmedia@reddit

I don't think Alpina does manual so I am still going to go with my spec'ed out manual M3

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Jealous-Adeptness-16@reddit

I personally prefer a stiffer suspension and bucket seats but to each their own.

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Bdubz@reddit

Looking to get one but dealership says they are impossible to get right now. All custom orders and takes 9 months

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andrewhoohaa@reddit

Can confirm I own an m340i with a tune and downpipe. It’s quite fun

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Caboose119z@reddit

I actually like the M440 better, but I don’t think I’m in the majority.

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xXHunterMoonXx@reddit

I don't think there is another sedan on the market that I would trade my m440 for. It is pretty much perfect and a joy to drive.

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AC-burg@reddit

Cadillac blackwing CT5 CT4 if you wanna save some money lol

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ragingduck@reddit

Drove an M340i on the track. Owned an M3 and M4. M2 is the most fun of the bunch but I guess it’s a sports coupe and we all know it’s not the best sports coupe.

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j_yn0htna@reddit

Without stepping into the really expensive car range, the m3 and blackwing money, feels like this is the right answer.

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ohwell_______@reddit

Agree. Had an E92 335, liked it so much that even when the N54 burst into flames I went out and got a F30 340

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johnnybluejeans@reddit

Here to upvote my car.

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805steve@reddit

Same. 100k miles on mine - it’s been fantastic.

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Binxye@reddit

TLX TYPE S 😭😭

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Substantial-Ad-8575@reddit

M5 is a beast. Have M5 Touring. But would absolutely get an M5 when time to replace our AMG GT 63 4 Dr.

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eray71@reddit

Cadillac CT5 black wing, hands down

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Attarker@reddit

Porsche Panamera

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u700MHz@reddit

Audi’s They make some sick editions

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aprilproam2019@reddit

If money is not a big reasonable issue then it’s S58 m4 , not even close.

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GriefPB@reddit

Acura Integra Type S

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overheightexit@reddit

Not a sedan.

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GriefPB@reddit

The new one is

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overheightexit@reddit

Nope, it’s not.

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GriefPB@reddit

It is, please just take the 2 seconds to google it.

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overheightexit@reddit

Google it yourself. It’s a 5 door hatchback.

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tastygluecakes@reddit

Way too expensive IMO for what it is. Which is a turbo 2.0L with leather seats. In a FWD sedan on a Honda civic platform, and awful torque steer. For $60,000 out the door. Oof.

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Ozymandias_poem_@reddit

That’s exactly my issue with it and almost all Acura offerings. Overpriced and underwhelming.

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slamallama@reddit

I mean it's a good car for the money but it's not even in the top 5 "best" by any measure

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Floppie7th@reddit

I think you overestimate how good sedans are these days

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slamallama@reddit

M3, m340, i4 m50, m550, M5, ct5v, ct4v, panamera, Taycan, s5, c43, giulia, IS500, lucid air... Just off the top of my head list of cars that are clearly better at everything the type s tries

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Nefilim314@reddit

How many in that list comes with a manual doesn’t weigh a two tons?

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slamallama@reddit

Is that the only metric you consider?

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Nefilim314@reddit

It’s a very important one. Some people won’t buy FWD, some won’t buy 4 cylinders, some won’t buy EVs, and some won’t buy automatics. It’s hard to categorically say “these sedans are better” when the target is different. If you’re looking at things like a Golf R, GR Corolla, then the Integra is a nice alternative.

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b787665@reddit

Best vehicle ive ever owned is a 2008 Acura TL Type-S. Im gonna run it till it dies, and get an TLX Type-S or Integra Type-S

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PossibleMechanic89@reddit

I’m loving TLX S. Went certified for less than the price of a new Integra S.

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payne51558@reddit

Audi RS6 (Avant)

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ironhalik@reddit

Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. You can still buy it in some places.

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jrileyy229@reddit

Ct5v is a great car... But with the insanely vague qualifier of "best", is probably the Gemera

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HamburgerOnAStick@reddit

I mean the Gemera isn't even a sedan

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jrileyy229@reddit

It surely is... It just has two giant doors and not four regular size doors.

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ToddtheRugerKid@reddit

"Two doors"

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jrileyy229@reddit

It has a giant interior cabin.....more interior space than a 4door Honda "sedan".... It's a sedan

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ToddtheRugerKid@reddit

"2 doors"

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jrileyy229@reddit

Cool... So an rx8 is a sedan then.. even though no adult human can fit in the back of one

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slamallama@reddit

This take brought to you by the same people that call an x6 a coupe

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jrileyy229@reddit

Sure... It's about interior size.... That's what really matters... Not number of doors

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HamburgerOnAStick@reddit

Yeah, if it doesn't have 4 doors it's 100% not a sedan. Otherwise we might aswell count the 911 or Mustang as a sedan since it has 4 seats

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jrileyy229@reddit

No. It's about interior size and space. Nobody is considering a rx8 a sedan just because it has little back doors. You're wrong

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Organic-End-9767@reddit

That's a stretch. The Gemera is the best of both worlds. Its only a coupe in form but is 100% a sedan in function because it seats 4 *full sized* adults.

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Ok_World4052@reddit

My best friend has an IS500 and it’s hard to beat it as a daily all rounder. It would get my vote for 4 doors.

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haske0@reddit

I bought one last October and it's amazing. It's sporty yet just practical enough for light family duties. And the sound that V8 makes is glorious.

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Ok_World4052@reddit

Her car is very nice especially in the Ultrasonic Blue Mica. The NA V8 definitely gives it character.

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FactsUnHelpful@reddit

I'll cry when I need to get rid of my GS350. A true luxury sports sedan that they stopped making for some reason

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Background-Slip8205@reddit

Too slow IMO, especially for the price. I do have a soft spot for NA engines though.

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_-ShouldBeWorking-_@reddit

I bought the IS350 because I wanted AWD for the bad weather. If I could've afforded an IS500 and winter tires, I would've gotten it.

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j_yn0htna@reddit

So I wanted to like it, Lexus dealership brought one to my house to test drive to try and make up for the strange experience I had at their dealership. I wanted to test drive an is500 but not easy to come across. The guy assured me it’s “fast enough” To be fair, I had already test drove some more exciting cars but, it was just disappointing. I was all excited for the v6 I had heard about and it wasn’t even as exciting as the x5 I had. It was cramped and the interior felt super dated, although not necessarily cheap. The tech was from the past decade though. The size is much closer to an s3/rs3, than a 340i, and those are tough for the IS to compare to. Realized that’s why Lexus people always talk about reliability.

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Josey_whalez@reddit

Reliability and comfort are the selling points of a Lexus, more than performance. Not many cars can pull off the stately, super smooth driving experience while also being fast as hell. S class and 7/8 BMWs come to mind but not much else.

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cuminabox74@reddit

I am not absolutely certain, but while a fantastic car, I think it is no longer “currently on sale” as per OP’s requirements.

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Ok_World4052@reddit

Think this year is the last year it’s on sale, I think I read this month or next they will stop manufacturing it.

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cromulent-potato@reddit

Checking the Lexus website, its still for sale

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verygreenbananas@reddit

I had one for a brief moment, if I did it all over again I'd get the BMW M340i. It's better in every single way except for sound (and maybe looks).

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satchm0h@reddit

Post-LCI F90 M5 Competition w/ the executive package Twin turbo V8 3 sec 0-60 Selective AWD (ie you can turn it off for rwd) Comfortable Usable Back Seats Gorgeous

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Nos2go4@reddit

The best bang for your buck has to the the Elantra N the best sport sedan you can get for under $40k

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Dirtydog693@reddit

BMW M850i Gran Coupe, best looking BMW in the line up, and most importantly its one of the last proper V8s on the market

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Altruistic-Law6820@reddit

personally I have a Ferrari 488 Pista and I believe it's the perfect sports car!

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-Aquiles_Baeza-@reddit

Question said SEDAN

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Dolphin_Princess@reddit

Tesla Model S and XiaoMi SU7

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haske0@reddit

Was until very recently the is500. But now probably the m340i

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Joblessmouse06@reddit

Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio

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Expensive-Steak-5511@reddit

M340i is an amazing vehicle. I miss mine

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General-Aide2517@reddit

Porsche Taycan or Lucid Air?

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NoVAYankee@reddit

The CT5V BW is the best M5 on sale right now.

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ToddtheRugerKid@reddit

"CT5V Blackwing" I was at the Rolex 24 earlier this year and saw the display car, randomly read the spec placard and was like "Holy Fuck, GM brought back the Chevy SS."

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danlewyy@reddit

Audi s4 is a great all rounder

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Blurt-Reynolds@reddit

Had 2. Fantastic cars.

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danlewyy@reddit

What years? I’m planning on buying a b8.5 M/T after winter as a “one car solution” lol

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Blurt-Reynolds@reddit

I had a B8.5 and a B9. They were both excellent but auto. M/T was very hard to find. I’d have given a left testicle for an Avant but sadly not available in the US.

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danlewyy@reddit

Same man 😭 I love wagons so much it’s such a shame there isn’t any here in NA

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meshkat200198@reddit

Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing is the only answer.

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Yummy_Crayons91@reddit

Audi RS3, BMW M340i, IS500, CT5-V The last of a dying breed, I have a feeling those cars will sell used for MSRP in 10 years or so. On a personal level I'm kind of sad, I'm in my 30s now, doing better financially every year and have been looking to swap my econobox daily driver for a sports sedan in the next year or two, but my options are either being discontinued or priced into the stratosphere.

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SageThunder@reddit

Why include the top for all the other models but not the M3 instead of the m340

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Jack-is-ugly@reddit

Same.

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srsattel@reddit

Mercedes S65

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Ok_Association_5357@reddit

Cadillac black wing

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BidDaddy_0030@reddit

Because it’s not on there and I’m not sure what the budget is like, but the VW Arteon is slept on especially if you get it used. Full size car that’s a hatchback with 300 hp and AWD. You can find them used for under 30k

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Ixiiion@reddit

Stinger

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Minimum-Station-1202@reddit

Nobody has said Hellcat Charger yet, so I will

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X_Boomer@reddit

Lucid air sapphire. 0-60 1.89 sec, 205mph top speed 1/4 mile in the 8’s.

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ODTE_FGTDELIGHTS@reddit

I can't imagine what it feels like to go 0-60 that fast

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LSBm5@reddit

Blackwing. It’s so good. Love mine. Sold the S63.

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User_Name_Is_Stupid@reddit

M3 if you want to have fun. CT5 V Blackwing if you only want to drive fast in a straight line.

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Terrh@reddit

Best at what? There is no single answer.

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opbmedia@reddit

Manual M3. I just reenforced this belief after a great day at the track yesterday. Because it still come in manual.

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SammyKiller@reddit

Was thinking of moving from a G87 to a G80, both manual. Maybe in a few years if I need more rear seat space. Love this engine and transmission.

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opbmedia@reddit

I have both manual g80 and g87. M2 drives quick a bit smaller (the M3 is a big car and you feel it). If you don’t need the back doors and extra seat get the M2. It’s spacey in the M2 but no 5th seat belt and no back doors. Truck about the same.

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Background-Slip8205@reddit

M5

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nadhari12@reddit

Porsche Panamera turbo e-hybrid.

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SteveTheBluesman@reddit

RS6

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Humble_Web_3745@reddit

Audi RS3. Love the look of it in green or red.

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GODAMA@reddit

Koenigsegg Gemera

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TX_Sized10-4@reddit

If price is a factor, I think the Elantra N is probably the best value proposition.

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Cold_Specialist_3656@reddit

Don't forget about Accord 2.0T. Roughly the same performance as Elantra N in family friendly packaging with Honda reliability.

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cyn_ou@reddit

Same performance as an elantra n? Have you ever driven one on the track? The elantra n slaughters the accord

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Cold_Specialist_3656@reddit

Does OP sound like he's gonna take his family mobile to the track? Car and Driver got exact same quarter mile for Elantra N and Accord 2.0T. And you'll have better reliability, much larger trunk and back seats, more luxury features

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teakwoodtile@reddit

I had an EX-L in the family and it handled well for a midize but it was no sport sedan lol

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Cold_Specialist_3656@reddit

EX-L didn't have the sporty adaptive suspension option AFAIK

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teakwoodtile@reddit

They somehow cost 4k more than a WRX here in Canada which is what I ended up with, but good on Hyundai for sticking with N (we're also getting the TCR edition later on).

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Roccnsuccmetosleep@reddit

The wrx interior looks like it’s made by Fischer Price. Hard pass.

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teakwoodtile@reddit

Having driven a couple of rental Elantras, they put a lot more effort into styling but feel chintzy too. Just cheap economy cars in general, Civic looks nicer but has low rent plastics as well.

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Roccnsuccmetosleep@reddit

I’m sitting on my car a little longer and going German. Subaru has gone in a weird direction

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teakwoodtile@reddit

I'll likely keep mine 'til it starts giving issues (haha) and going more luxe too. This is my first Subaru and don't see anuthing else in their lineup catching my eye.

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Roccnsuccmetosleep@reddit

I’ve legitimately considering buying an older wrx before the weird screen. I’m still in my Impreza I’ve had since I graduated college.

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teakwoodtile@reddit

Lightly used VBs are dirt cheap these days and are funner to drive than your average economy car. You already have a Subaru though, might want something nicer. Mine was a nice upgrade from my 2010 Civic Si, can't say.

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StarsandMaple@reddit

Honestly yeah. It’s good value proposition, and they seem to be holding up decently. They look nice too.

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MusicMan7969@reddit

I’m would agree with the CT5 Blackwing. For my budget, I bought a CT5 with the 3.0 Twin Turbo AWD and so far I’m very happy with it.

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Euphoric_Fig_4986@reddit

Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio

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Purple_Stranger_4502@reddit

Civic si

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Ars139@reddit

Yup. Agreed.

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STATSISBAE@reddit

model 3 performance

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Raidden77@reddit

BMW e30 325i. I am not biased at all.

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Robins-dad@reddit

Porsche Panamera Turbo.

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Zealousideal_Lack_36@reddit

Lexus is200 may be a gas guzzler but can pull a gypsy off his sister so theres my vote

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Insertsociallife@reddit

Can pull a fuckin WHAT 😭

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Blagurtha@reddit

"the best sports sedan on sale" & you listed an old Lexus with a 9 second 0-60. Honestly pretty chad move

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teakwoodtile@reddit

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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ZookeepergameWeak254@reddit

😂😭😂😭😂😭😂😭😂😭😂

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b787665@reddit

Best car ive ever owned is a 2008 Acura TL Type-S

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lionbacker54@reddit

Honda Civic Type R

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Candy-Emergency@reddit

Porsche Panamera

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ilovecanadasomuch@reddit

agree. the CT5V

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Past_Temperature5698@reddit

I agree with the Elantra N. I researched for almost a year and test drove EVERYTHING around this price point. From Honda csi to the Honda civic r. The wrx, the golf, the corolla gr, and even the brz and gr86. There were things that were better and things that were not so good in each car. At the end of the day the EN checked the most boxes for what I WANTED. It's a fun car in the weekends and a good, comfortable daily. Interior upgrades (like rear heating vents) are cheap and easy for a shade tree mechanic. Octane learning is a pita to figure out but once you figure out what your individual car is looking for repeatability is fairly simple. You can't beat the room and the rear cross brace is removable with a couple bolts if needed. The DCT (from what I've read and heard) is very good and the manual is great. The price point leaves enough for minor performance upgrades like bushings, shifter kit, etc.

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JiggSawLoL@reddit

4th gen Mazda 3 turbo. I have a 23 hatch and its way too fun. Sedan is great as well.

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1864Fox@reddit

How do you define "best"? Off the line acceleration? Probably something like the IONIQ 6 N by Hyundai (although not yet on sale, but something like it) Emotion? For me, that'd probably be an Audi S4 or RS3 Track performance? Without knowing any numbers, I'd go for a BMW M3 Best Value for money? Idk.. Jetta GLI maybe? Are they good value for money? They aren't sold in germany. Practicality? I'd go for a wagon, sedans aren't very practical compared to them.

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Particular_Quiet_435@reddit

As a daily? Tesla Model 3 Performance. There are others which are more comfortable or faster around a track. But if the metric is all-around best then you can't beat the value proposition of the Model 3. Their tech is unparalleled. Acceleration, safety, efficiency, and convenience are all top-notch. It's more car for the price than competitors can offer

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HamburgerOnAStick@reddit

CT5-V, IS500, RS3, then Giulia Quadrifoglio. If we count Gran Coupes then mine is CT5-V, Panamera, GT63 SE, Taycan, then IS500, then RS7

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AtlasPrevail@reddit

IS350. But I may be biased 😏

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teakwoodtile@reddit

No manual, otherwise I would've bought a nice used one any day of the week.

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AtlasPrevail@reddit

Funnily enough I bought it because it was automatic. I just want a comfy drive now that I’m older. I have a Scion tC with a 5 speed and while it isn’t as fast it is still a huge joy to drive.

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teakwoodtile@reddit

I'm getting there too, hoping the IS sticks around for my next purchase. Mostly a Honda fan but the TLX is too big and now gone.

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AtlasPrevail@reddit

They just refreshed the IS so it’ll be around for another few years for sure though it will only be the 350 V6 as Toyota decided we didn’t need their V8’s anymore 😒

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teakwoodtile@reddit

Haven't had the best of luck with the 2GR, 2 blown headgaskets on a used V6 Rav at 115k kms but that thing was a lemon 🍋

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mannymoes2k@reddit

K swapped EK sedan lol

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MissedTheApex212@reddit

CT5V BW w/ a 6 speed hands down. A g80/f90/rs6/etc etc feels lifeless compared to one.

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Tuques@reddit

Ct5v for north american market. Probably a bmw for European. is500 for Japanese.

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IUsedTheRandomizer@reddit

Audi RS7.

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ameslay1211@reddit

Are you asking in general to see the wide spread of opinions, or are you trying to pick out a car. If its the latter we need more information. Othwerise, if I'm just picking the best sport sedan of all time I'm going with the E39 M5. If choosing something new right now I'm going with base M3 with manual transmission. The Porsche Panamera is awesome for an auto.

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Dislocated-Elbow@reddit

I think I agree with you, the CT5V is one hell of a car

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TheGreatPatriot@reddit

TLX Type S looks so badass, and it’s quick for being a boat. It does everything someone would need from a sedan as well as an Accord, and it’s quick enough for someone who wants to have fun. My Accord hit 120 on the Autobahn comfortably a few times, and the TLX can get there faster and then some.

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