Chat Control (How the EU is turning into fascist America)
Posted by annonnnnn82736@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 35 comments
What the “chat-control” bullshit is and how it’s a move to force providers and device makers to scan private messages on users’ devices before they’re encrypted (client-side scanning / “Chat Control”).
The stated aim: detect child sexual abuse material. The reality: it pulls the encryption rug out from under everyone by requiring software on your phone or in your messenger to inspect content before it’s protected. That is not theory — regulators in Europe are pushing rules that do exactly this, and security experts, VPN groups and cryptographers are sounding alarms.
Why that is technically catastrophic (short list)
It introduces a universal backdoor point. Anything that inspects plaintext on a device expands the attack surface malware, state actors, criminal groups all get new opportunities to exploit the scanner or its keys. Client-side scanning is fragile and error-prone: false positives, over-broad heuristics and mission-creep make benign speech flagged, censored or handed to authorities.
Once normalised, the tech can be repurposed. A tool built for one objective becomes a useful tool for other surveillance political policing, mass monitoring, corporate data grabs. Industry bodies and cryptographers warn this is the trajectory. Legal backdoors and mass access are already routine via data requests, mutual legal assistance, and telecom lawful-intercept mechanisms so added device access layers simply marry technical weakness to legal power.
How fucked it is, in plain terms This drags end-to-end encryption into the mud. Security guarantees collapse if every device runs mandatory scanners. People who rely on private channels journalists, activists, dissidents, survivors lose safe spaces. Attackers get a bigger buffet of vulnerabilities. Societies get normalised surveillance and political chilling. That’s not hyperbole experts say the architecture itself becomes hostile to security once scanning is systematised.
The “everyone must delete every app” reality check (what deletion actually buys and what it doesn’t), deleting tracker-heavy social apps cuts one big attack surface: app telemetry, persistent background access, and third-party SDKs vanish from that device. That lowers exposure. Device privacy dashboards and permission audits make this visible.
Full protection requires more than deleting a few apps: account data stored in cloud backups, contacts, linked services, device OS telemetry, carrier logs, and centralised cloud providers remain sources of leakage. Lawful access chains still let governments or adversaries extract data unless those services and backups are also removed or encrypted under keys you control. Practical reality: mass deletion is messy and unsustainable for most people. The only foolproof move is to cut the whole digital tether air-gapped devices, no cloud accounts, no consumer app ecosystem. That’s realistic for tiny groups, impossible at scale for societies that rely on online banking, comms, commerce.
Short of full isolation, the action set narrows to: delete invasive apps, revoke permissions, stop cloud backups, use open, audited E2EE apps and minimal-service devices, and avoid platforms that implement client-side scanning. That reduces risk but does not eliminate it.
Why this spills into America and everywhere else Global tech is global policy. If Europe forces client-side scanning into common practice, vendors like Apple, Google, Meta, Messaging providers face huge compliance pressure and engineering precedent. Governments copy laws and use international legal cooperation to push data access across borders. Law enforcement agencies already share methods and requests; a normalized EU approach becomes a blueprint for other regimes. The VPN and security industry explicitly warns that normalising this surveillance tech invites wider adoption, not containment.
Bottom line, bluntly This is a structural dismantling of real privacy. The only absolute defence is severing the digital chains that make modern life convenient. For everyone else: expect a permanent trade-off convenience and participation in normal online life in exchange for systemic vulnerability and surveillance. That trade is now being pushed into law, and once baked in, it spreads fast. This is not small. This is a systemic collapse of device-side privacy.
If parents have to care about their children’s safety online, they shouldn’t have children? Why are you allowing your child to roam the internet freely? Is the iPad their parents now? If the eu governments pass this law it’s not just your child being monitored now, it’s you, your friends, your coworkers, your family, your community, towns and cities, businesses everywhere will pull out of your countries just to avoid being monitored, businesses are leeches anyways for not self auditing where their money goes in the first place, with this new law EVERYONE mostly innocent people, will be treated like potential criminals and the profiling will become systemic, look up and left or right.
To stop it you have until October 14th before EVERYTHING on your devices getting searched, your shepherds don’t want to keep you safe, they want to create the illusion that you were never safe to begin with. (i can’t directly link anything but if you search the best possible method to stop this from happening (contacting your eu representative of countries that haven’t voted yet, you can protect yourself personal privacy without having your governments assume you’re doing anything bad because after it will be “guilty regardless of innocence”)).
Sources:
https://www.accessnow.org/press-release/eu-chat-control-proposal/
https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/report/chat-control-eu-privacy/
https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/13/europe-chat-control-law-privacy-security/
https://www.privacyinternational.org/news-analysis/5321/client-side-scanning-dangerous-precedent
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/chat-control-law-would-undermine-encryption-and-privacy/
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2025/02/client-side-scanning-is-dangerous-and-unworkable.html
aha1982@reddit
This should also be posted on r/europrivacy
NtBtFan@reddit
id like to think that this kind of thing will push people towards more face-to-face interactions as opposed to digital ones ... but i feel like only a small age group who are old enough to have grown up that way, but also young enough to actually be paying attention to, or understanding, these actions will even be tempted to revert back to a more human way of interacting.
youngthespian42@reddit
Which why they have eviscerated third places and commercialized almost all public gathering space.
Southern_Classic6027@reddit
Yeah, there's barely any third spaces (except for bars) where I live, and the ones that do exist are too expensive for your average citizen to frequent regularly. It's mass isolation married with a surveillance state.
SapphosMiddleFinger@reddit
Do parks and cafes not exist anymore where y'all live? Genuine question.
Shtonrr@reddit
Just so you’re aware of some key points that you’ve missed (and fightchatcontrol .eu doesn’t include)
1) It’s not back around for MEPs to decide at this time. even though many populist influencers keep driving people to hound them, other institutions are dealing with other aspects.
2) It’s for KNOWN CSAM, no one will read your messages without a police warrant signed by a judge. The only public action that will occur is an automated hash value scan for content that has already been identified by the police as CSAM.
That means you personally will only interact with the system if you send pictures or videos of content that has already been flagged as CSAM in the past.
(Fightchatcontrol . eu says this infringes on people’s right to send it as a joke, but you’re despicable if you think that’s funny)
3) There has been an extremely high amount of campaigning from children’s aid agencies FOR this as it is a genuinely pressing issue. Important to remember that an imperfect solution to a serious, current issue outweighs the need for it to be perfect.
Source: I am currently working in the Parliament and while I’m against the regulation in its current form, it’s important to acknowledge some of the facts and drown out the scaremongering.
SapphosMiddleFinger@reddit
Infringes on people's "right" to /share child sexual abuse material as a joke?/
What the fuck
blodo_@reddit
OP didn't mention that there is an ongoing campaign to get MEPs to flip sides, with some early victories. This website also catalogues the ongoing effort:
https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
Of course, looking at it from a bird's eye view, this is the nth attempt around enshittifying the internet that people in the EU must really to stop. Nonetheless, if people give into despair and do nothing, the bad outcome is assured. Email your MEP now (if you can).
all-day-pj@reddit
They will eventually win. Our potential win here doesn't come from stopping the inevitable, it comes from rendering the rules pointless before they even get implemented. We need to create open-source encryption services and the opportunities for them to be adopted at scale.
This is a damned near impossible task, though. We need more collapse to spur adoption, but the extant power structures will also become more controlling and punitive as we descend.
imalostkitty-ox0@reddit
It’s truly terrifying. Things have gone from “don’t talk about politics” to “don’t you dare say we’ve already lost everything” pretty much overnight. I find that people around me have not only lost all critical thinking skills, but also all emotional capacity for facing reality. I assume this is due to a continuing form of “mind control” not too different from MKUltra, exerted through trigger words used by major and moderate content creators on social media, as well as the organization of the algorithms themselves, which are tailored to the individual per neuro-cognitive science models derived from university, government, and private research — which is likely shared back and forth in a more consolidated and incestuous manner than ever before.
HigherandHigherDown@reddit
The EU normally isn't as concerned about free speech as long as nobody gets shot, but once the shooting starts they can be...slightly overzealous
annonnnnn82736@reddit (OP)
subreddit rules and thank you
Shoddy-Childhood-511@reddit
It's worse than pseudo-fascist America technically.
China hacked the US wiretapping system CALEA years ago. The FBI, CISA, NSA, etc fought this Chinese intrusion for ages, because it does enormous economic damage, but ultimately the FBI gave up and asks Americans us use end-to-end encrypted messaging apps.
It's quite a different story in Europe: German police hire the US spy company Palantir, run by Trump's buddy Peter Thiel. Spain hire Huawei to run their wire tapping infrastructure. Forget doing well when negotiating prices with American or Chinese companies. lol
Chat Control is fundamentally anti-whistleblower technology: If a source provides a document then the adversary easily creates an image where the perceptual hash collides, inserts this into the CSAM list, and detects when the person's device outs them.
In particular, Ukraine benefits enormously form their Russian assets, but you'd expect Chat Control would expose many of these assets. Why push Chat Control now? I'd guess many supporters are Russian assets: Peter Hummelgaard, Catherine De Bolle at Europol, etc.
blodo_@reddit
I suspect it'll be even simpler than that, and will simply abuse the proposed structures instead of relying on a tech solution.
Using references from this document: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52022PC0209
The EU will give detection technologies to social media corporations (paragraph 27), while member states will establish "Child Protection Police Units" of some sort, directly under the jurisdiction of national governments, that will have a direct point of contact with social media corporations from which they'll be able to ask for data about "suspected CSAM distributors" (paragraph 43). The EU will be hands off towards these state agencies, so member states could e.g. simply declare dissidents to be "suspected CSAM distributors" within their own borders, and the EU can do nothing about it. On top of that: the implementation of the backdoor is largely up to the provider (paragraph 17), and if anyone believes that the EU will prosecute providers for giving "too much information" to the EU, I have a bridge to sell them.
blodo_@reddit
I suspect it'll be even simpler than that, and will simply abuse the proposed structures instead of relying on a tech solution.
Using references from this document: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52022PC0209
The EU will give detection technologies to social media corporations (paragraph 27), while member states will establish "Child Protection Police Units" of some sort, directly under the jurisdiction of national governments, that will have a direct point of contact with social media corporations from which they'll be able to ask for data about "suspected CSAM distributors" (paragraph 43). The EU will be hands off towards these state agencies, so member states could e.g. simply declare dissidents to be "suspected CSAM distributors" within their own borders, and the EU can do nothing about it. On top of that: the implementation of the backdoor is largely up to the provider (paragraph 17), and if anyone believes that the EU will prosecute providers for giving "too much information" to the EU, I have a bridge to sell them.
GardenScared8153@reddit
Your phone and all mainstream devices already have backdoors exploited by criminals, corpos states you name it. You have no privacy. Even your tv is spying on you. They are just trying to make it legal now, if you want privacy you need to ditch all your electronic devices and go back to using pigeons.
Deguilded@reddit
You never had privacy. And go an how most people act online, they don't care.
HigherandHigherDown@reddit
Are you implying there's an offline? How do I do that and not die?
Deguilded@reddit
You need an amazing video card, cause the resolution is really high.
annonnnnn82736@reddit (OP)
we will just have to wait until people are being publicly exposed and having their business searched and viewed, this isn’t just text BEFORE you send them this is images, emails, web searches (which we already gets documented by google already cough cough https://lawsuit.org/general-law/republicans-have-an-obsession-with-transgender- ) app downloads, and just movement on the internet in general, How does this protect children?
you know what protects children? safety locks, app restrictions and time duration, parents should be taking responsibility in monitoring their own children and teach their children the basics of online safety until they reach the minimum age having less restrictions but still being monitored to a degree where their privacy is still respected
E.g a 4 yr old shouldn’t be playing online games, and a 14 year old shouldn’t be allowed to add anyone online unless the parent knows the person their teen is talking to and and all ranges shouldn’t be allowed to take of send photos of themselves (regardless of the circumstances) to anyone the parent doesn’t know.
(if i can think about that in seconds why can’t parents do the same (i understand it’s different for everyone but it shouldn’t be different when it comes to online child safety)).
a fully grown adult shouldn’t be monitored just because karen neglects her child by keeping them on the ipad for the majority of their development.
The_Metalcorn@reddit
That's why, at this rate, shouldn't we maybe start to consider an EU-wide protest? I mean, yeah, we can contact our MEPs, but unless we have certainty that this bill won't pass, we should prepare to let our voices be heard on the streets so they know we are ready to fight this.
Especially since we still have 4 weeks to organize such a crucial protest. Because we, as Europeans, all deserve freedom and privacy, as they are some of the most important rights that a person can have.
Rather than complain on the internet and share our worries, why is no one trying to actively fight it? I mean, I tried to contact pro-privacy organizations to try and get protests going, but most of them are already trying to do everything they can to stop this by educating the relevant policymakers, to help them form informed decisions by explaining the importance of strong encryption, the consequences of weakening these technologies, and warning them about the absurdity of the proposals (Internet Society), and by addressing novel legal questions or concepts that have not been addressed by the courts (EFF).
However, the Senior Director for European Government and Regulatory Affairs of Internet Society did show interest in the plans to see where the objectives could align and if there could be an opportunity to collaborate. However, I can't organize a Europe-wide protest all alone, as I will need spokespersons in every capital. I'm trying my best to mobilize the people so that we can take action and actively fight it. But so far, everyone only seems to complain about it online.
So, if anyone is interested in actually fighting this, let me know so that together we can Stop The Digital Panopticon!
Such-Day-2603@reddit
Breathe, my friend, calm down, I’m sure you’re a good man and then you have nothing to fear, because that’s the case, right?
annonnnnn82736@reddit (OP)
So by your own logic, you’re fine with the government having full access to your search history, porn habits, medical records, emails, and private conversations, right? Because “nothing to hide”means you’d have no problem with every embarrassing, intimate, or vulnerable part of your life being monitored, stored, and reviewed.
Funny how the people who parrot “nothing to hide, nothing to fear” never volunteer to livestream their own browser history or publish their messages publicly. It’s not about having “something to hide”, it’s about the basic right to privacy. Rights don’t vanish because you think you’re squeaky clean.
If you really believe what you just said, post your search history here right now. Otherwise, admit you’re just handing the state more control under the illusion of safety.
Romanian_Breadlifts@reddit
The simple and direct way to explain it is that you still shut the door when you take a shit - not because taking a shit is illegal, but because you'd prefer it to not be monitored
Such-Day-2603@reddit
Looks like nobody got the irony, seeing that I have -2 and a negative comment, hahaha. I don’t know if it’s because English isn’t my first language or if people are just losing the ability to catch irony.
annonnnnn82736@reddit (OP)
see you care more about your downvotes than the actual context, do you really think votes matter here? and if you really cared about the situation you wouldn’t have used a weak authoritarian phrase expecting it to land in a subreddit like this, it’s lowkey funny i can’t lie
Such-Day-2603@reddit
I don’t care, but I find it curious considering it was meant to be ironic. If I had said this in my own language, everyone would be laughing. I’m not sure if I was just “lucky” to run into a grumpy person or if I didn’t express myself well. Let’s leave it at that.
annonnnnn82736@reddit (OP)
congrats then you made yourself a spectacle
annonnnnn82736@reddit (OP)
like you’re gonna be monitored too im not worried about anything
annonnnnn82736@reddit (OP)
idk why people think semantics are the main reason why people post serious matters
chococake2024@reddit
poowellian
ale_mc_ella@reddit
none of the links work for me ..? they all give 404 or page does not exist
annonnnnn82736@reddit (OP)
should work now
annonnnnn82736@reddit (OP)
If you paste any of them into a browser, they’ll open normally:
https://www.accessnow.org/press-release/eu-chat-control-proposal/
https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/report/chat-control-eu-privacy/
https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/13/europe-chat-control-law-privacy-security/
https://www.privacyinternational.org/news-analysis/5321/client-side-scanning-dangerous-precedent
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/chat-control-law-would-undermine-encryption-and-privacy/
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2025/02/client-side-scanning-is-dangerous-and-unworkable.html
annonnnnn82736@reddit (OP)
you have to put them into the search yourself idk why but that’s been happening with other links on other posts i see