The only Concorde to be scrapped
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Concorde 211 F-BVFD first flew on 10 February 1977. In November that year she suffered a heavy tailstrike when landing in Dakar, Senegal (the stopover on the Paris-Rio Concorde route). Repairs were administered to the aircraft, and depending on who you ask, this may have added a lot of weight to the airframe, meaning she consumed a fair bit more fuel compared to her sisters.
By 1982, Air France found they had a surplus of Concorde for the demand in the market, and so took F-BVFD and F-BTSC out of service in that year. F-BVFD last flew on 27 May 1982.
In 1986, an upturn in Concorde demand saw F-BTSC return to service, that aircraft later crashing in the AF4590 disaster.
F-BVFD never was returned to service, instead being used as a source of spare parts for her fleetmates. By 1994, she had become an eyesore, the decayed Concorde sat on the CDG apron. It was then decided to scrap her, the first of any Concorde airframe to be taken apart, and to this day, the only one of the 20 airframes to be deliberately dismantled.
She had just 5814 flight-hours on the clock, by far the fewest of any of the production Concordes.
RevoltingHuman@reddit (OP)
The final 2 photos show the only fuselage section of F-BVFD to survive, at Le Bourget airport in Paris. The original Concorde prototype F-WTSS as well as another Air France Concorde F-BTSD are displayed at a museum just across the runway from there.
The final photo shows F-BVFD when in service.
-Badger3-@reddit
It lives on as expensive keychains
SortOfWanted@reddit
20 were built, but that includes 6 prototypes. If you take the overall program cost, you're looking at about $1 billion per airframe for the 14 commercial Concorde's in service (in 2023 dollars).
RevoltingHuman@reddit (OP)
Yep, she was an extremely expensive old gal. Only 14 were moneymakers, and F-BVFD did a bad job at that. The 2 airframes no longer in existence are Air France Concordes.
It is claimed though that at one point, about 40-45% of all British Airways revenue came from their 7 Concordes. So not at least one airline managed to make them profitable.
EventAccomplished976@reddit
Considering the concorde‘s main job ended uo being ferrying business people across the atlantic for meetings, it kinda makes sense that new york to london was by far the most profitable route… connecting two of the world‘s most important financial centers and all
YoureGrammerIsWorsts@reddit
I'm going to need a citation on this. The closest thing I can find is BA claiming the transatlantic routes were bringing in 40-50% of revenue
bonjelea@reddit
Yeah, feel like just about every documentary I've seen on Concorde mentions they were basically operated at a loss for the majority of their lifespan
YoureGrammerIsWorsts@reddit
Most accounts state that they were cash flow positive, just not if you had to account for the price of the plane itself
TheLizardKing89@reddit
You’d have to be a pretty terrible businessman to not be able to make money off of a free plane.
Known-Associate8369@reddit
https://www.key.aero/article/inside-story-how-ba-made-more-ps500m-profit-concorde
Emphasis mine.
PeckerNash@reddit
Why was it scrapped?
KB346@reddit
In a way F-BTSC lives on in the 1979 film “The Concorde…Airport ‘79”. They used her in many of the taxi shots and so on. I grew up watching it on one of parents video tapes. Not a great film but for an avgeek kid it was perfect!
RevoltingHuman@reddit (OP)
Yes, the film is shit but in hindsight, became an important archive of F-BTSC footage.
KB346@reddit
I grew up watching all the Airport series so I still love rewatching them for nostalgic reasons.
Now the score is by Lalo Schifren and I love it 😆
747ER@reddit
Upvoted for use of the word “penultimate”.
AdultContemporaneous@reddit
As well as correctly.
tractorcrusher@reddit
Thanks for checking their work
Pocketz7@reddit
Is there a chance that any of the existing airframes can fly again? I’m assuming no.
Also why is it so hard to replicate Mach passenger planes in this day and age when it was done 50 years ago
halfty1@reddit
No, none of them are stored in any condition to reactivate them again, and at this point have all not flown for ~20 years.
Airbus (successor to the original manufacturers) also pulled manufacturer support for the frame. I believe the type certificate is no longer valid.
Francoberry@reddit
It was done 50 years ago without much care for massive environmental damage, and with a customer base that actually might need to travel that quickly (for meetings, events, etc) and would accept hugely expensive ticket costs. Nowadays most of those people can just have a video call
PinkFloyden@reddit
And airlines really didn’t see the justification to spend so much when you could fill a 747 with 3 times more passengers and do a London/Paris-NY in only a couple hours more.
Also there’s the question of the sonic boom, which started pissing off a lot of people. By the end, it was basically only allowed to fly over oceans. I’ve heard companies like Boom are working on ways to cancel out this supersonic boom though
Flimsy_Quantity_9306@reddit
Someone in Kansas City has a nose cone in there back yard
RevoltingHuman@reddit (OP)
Yes I think that is likely the former nose and visor of F-BVFD, but have heard some people debate this, claiming it is a spare nose/visor section from British Airways.
I'm not sure, but I know the nose/visor went to a private US collector so I think that must be FD.
Dispkerdis@reddit
From Kansas City and I pass that guy’s house every day on my way to work, it’s from F-BVFD.
He’s said he wants to be buried in it, which I personally find pretty selfish. It should be in a museum.
Entire_Intern_2662@reddit
The remaining ones mostly ended up in museums.
onaperilousjourney@reddit
If you want to see one come to Boeing Museum of Flight in Seattle, WA It's under a canopy across the street from the main building.
Boeing Museum of Flight - Concorde
Unlucky-Constant-736@reddit
That would be a killer PlaneTag
worrydom@reddit
It is and I have one! https://www.airlinertags.com/collections/shop/concorde
Unlucky-Constant-736@reddit
Are you a lucky duck
Public-Cookie5543@reddit
Thanks for ruining my day
FMC_Speed@reddit
I got my ATPL from ENAC in Toulouse and I remember the lab had a fuselage section of the concord on display, not sure if it was from a scrapped plane or a preproduction/mockup
Speedbird223@reddit
G-BBDG very nearly got there. It was one of the pre-production aircraft and sat at Filton for decades being raided by BA for spare parts.
Full credit to the Brooklands team and those responsible for getting her out of Filton because she’s now probably one of the best kept Concordes out there…you’d never guess she was a wreck…
RevoltingHuman@reddit (OP)
Having been to Brooklands and on the Concorde Experience there, they actually acknowledged a lot of enthusiasts were annoyed about them breaking the airframe up as it meant it would never fly again.
I don't know what planet they lived on, but that Brooklands took this and turned it into this should really be applauded.
Speedbird223@reddit
Enthusiasts aren’t always knowledgeable…I’m not an aeronautical engineer but it’s bleedin’ obvious Delta Golf wasn’t flying again whether Brooklands got involved or not…
I was following an enthusiast group online when they announced the plan for BBDG and I thought they had no hope of achieving half of what they did…
RevoltingHuman@reddit (OP)
I believe the nose/visor on G-BBDG now used to be on G-BOAF, and the G-BOAF currently has DG's old nose and visor. I'm not sure if that's entirely true, but I believe there was a swap in 1995.
Basic-Geologist2744@reddit
This is correct.
ZCEyPFOYr0MWyHDQJZO4@reddit
It's so much easier to rebuild an aircraft when it doesn't have to fly again.
RevoltingHuman@reddit (OP)
You're not wrong, but I will say a lot of enthusiasts genuinely though DG was bound for the skies once again at this point somehow.
At the time it seemed DG's future was a choice between two extremes. Full airworthiness or the scrapper. In 2004, that one or more Concordes might fly again was a slight possibility still. No one liked seeing DG be ripped up by the Brooklands chaps, who were taking her to Surrey.
That she ended up looking so good after the unpopular museum move is a surprising thing, at least by British standards.
vukasin123king@reddit
She looks sooooo wrong without the Droop Snoot.
RevoltingHuman@reddit (OP)
No Conc, just orde.
Mal-De-Terre@reddit
The one that crashed doesn't count?
dharder9475@reddit
So sad to see...
flightwatcher45@reddit
Any idea how many cycles where put on any of the concords? Did they ever have any mach plus unique issues?
RevoltingHuman@reddit (OP)
The number of cycles was well below planned, and so cycles were too:
G-BOAD 8406 cycles with G-BOAE at 8383 cycles. G-BOAA was a distant third with 6842 cycles.
Luchin212@reddit
2 looks like the Flying Dutchman in the PotC movies, rotting ropes hanging from the decrepit frame of a glorious vessel.
ToeSniffer245@reddit
Pic #4 is one of the most poetic things I've ever seen.
RevoltingHuman@reddit (OP)
Concorde crawled so Airbus could fly.
verstohlen@reddit
The tortoise and the hare.. Ol' slow and steady wins every time.
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