once China is able to produce its own GPU for datacenters (which they are forced to due to both import and export bans by both China and USA), there will be less reason to release their models open weight?
Posted by balianone@reddit | LocalLLaMA | View on Reddit | 118 comments

Claxvii@reddit
It is an interesting conundrum. America makes China's gpus, that are printed on by a taiwanese corporation, that despite the excellent relations with the West, is physically right besides china and never made a successful effort to leave that position. I wonder if someone is being played here. American dominance is hanging on by a thread, a very tiny tensed little thin thread. China will be releasing those models regardless cuz it is trying to build a multi-polar world where it is the most polar of poles. At least it is better than the USA
Kaijidayo@reddit
The only reason China is open sourcing their models is because they are still behind the west and want to catch up. Once they are ahead, they will likely close source. Just like seadream 4, it's top-notch but closed source.
JorgitoEstrella@reddit
Iirc DeepSeek R1 was ahead of ChatGPT for a while when it came out
Crierlon@reddit
Don't forget the the Hunyuan thing too. They went full closed source once they thought they were ahead.
Open Source is a marketing tactic and a way to stay in the race if you aren't the best.
fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit
Why would that have any bearing on whether they release open models or not? It doesn't.
balianone@reddit (OP)
Do you really think China is open-sourcing SOTA models just because they’re generous and nice?
CheatCodesOfLife@reddit
Why do people refer to all of these competing companies (eg. Alibaba, Deepseek, Bytedance, Zhipu AI) as "China"? Isn't that like referring to OpenAI, Anthropic, Cohere, Google, Meta as "America"?
gefahr@reddit
I'm not sure if this is a genuine question, but not even close to the same level of state involvement between the two countries and their tech industries.
Longjumping-Boot1886@reddit
they are already adding their narrative in the models. They could add viruses and backdoors in generated code by that models.
So i thinj they will continue making them "open".
Southern-Chain-6485@reddit
Their "narrative" is "None can stand the might of the USA". You don't believe me? Give it a try.
-TV-Stand-@reddit
Very lightly though. They are easily bypassed. American companies just call it "safety"
alyssasjacket@reddit
I think they're doing it to keep pressure on american companies. No company dared to cross the 250 barrier of monthly fee. China is playing the long game - they don't care losing money by releasing their tech for free if it hurts America more.
And China keeps pumping great stuff. ByteDance and Alibaba seem to be such nice and bold companies - it's hard not to root for China, given American's recent positions in the international board.
I don't think China will drop open source until AGI. I doubt China would allow AGI to be open-sourced - but if someone ever did, it would be a chinese company. No western company would open source AGI.
SporksInjected@reddit
The sub we’re discussing this in right now is named after the open sourcing of the first publicly viable and usable LLM from Meta which is a western company.
larktok@reddit
actually this is partly due to academic culture, which top ML researchers subscribe to obviously. What is researched should then belong to the global community, and everyone should build on top of each other’s research.
it doubly reflects communist principles as well, what is learned should be given back to society in full
idk if your anti Chinese bias is so strong that you think they are putting malware in models or smth, but the real answer is the simple one in your face
SporksInjected@reddit
Yeah, this may be a factor but it’s not the cause.
eidrag@reddit
China and it's face culture
larktok@reddit
I believe this is also true, or the businessmen and politicians won’t allow the researchers to do this
they want the face value from challenging the U.S. in edge technology, and want to deter future attempts of containment like with chip restrictions
Swimming_Drink_6890@reddit
Loooool
SporksInjected@reddit
It undermines the closed model ecosystem. It’s the same tactic AMD had with FSR or Microsoft had with GitHub Copilot in VSCode.
The bigger companies make less money when there are viable alternatives.
There’s no way for the Chinese companies to compete on a service level so open sourcing models is a way to keep the giants from growing.
Ylsid@reddit
No, but I still fail to see the link between domestic GPUs and closed source
partysnatcher@reddit
China is both communist and corporatist at the same time. They will use their collectivist / communist side when they need to.
In this case the opponent is Silicon Valley, which is trying to monopolize AI and milk it through subscription services. SV very much wants to recreate the pattern from the early Internet age, where US services, personalities etc got first to market and became (and remained) de facto center of the universe simply by being "first movers".
This is very much not in the interest of China, and I would say it is also not in the interest of the rest of the world either. We all see clearly how the US has no reservations about the privilege they've been given. The US is not some swiss bank that sticks to its guns and defends their business relations with their blood. They will surveil you, sell you out, exploit you and leverage international power against you, no matter who you are, in a raw bid for power and money. Trump is no anomaly, but represents a significant part of the american national soul.
LLMs are an opening for China. It is a market where they can be a first mover, a market that has a democratizing effect, that opens up the playing field.
So for China it is not as important to be seen as a "good guy" (probably unlikely) as it is to avoid a repeat of the US market lockdown at any cost. And this has so far been successful.
In a weird way it is a little bit like when Apple finally came in and offered opposition against Microsofts airtight market dominance.
ThinkExtension2328@reddit
They are doing it to fuck with the American tech companies , so in a way yes.
anomaly256@reddit
Why do you think they would be 'forced' to release their models open source at the moment, and what does that have to do with the US GPU embargo?
fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit
Yeah. Actually. It also makes great advertising for their services. Which is to host said open source models because the vast majority of people either can't or have no interest in hosting them themselves.
Now why do you think they are open sourcing models? And why would have their own GPUs stop them from doing so?
Desperate_Echidna350@reddit
no it's because they want to show their superiority and not let western companies dominate the industry outside of China
SporksInjected@reddit
If Chinese providers can sustainably sell the inference, that’s a bigger money maker. Providers can’t do that today without the infrastructure but, in a world where they don’t have to buy black market gpus, they soon could.
MuslinBagger@reddit
Even providers with the legit infra aren't making any profits selling inference.
Far_Car430@reddit
Exactly
GeekyBit@reddit
I agree, Its like say ducks quack their for sound travels...
The idea being both are sound related.
This is the same thing.
The reason china releases open models is to flex, you know like how we broadcast the moon landing. They do it to show they are better. It should also be noted there is a very high likelihood that china's pre-release models are way better than their release models... Show only by the fact that once they release they seem to jump AI forward right now.
zhcterry1@reddit
I think they open source their models for commercial reasons. The big three are almost always considered the superior options, so their Chinese counterpart wants to release their models out into the world, let people use it such that they can be considered 'mainstream', and not everyone will have the hardware to run their models anyway, and these people will come in and buy their service.
If they close source their models, the lack of adoption and spotlight would meant a bulk of their existing users won't try their luck on their models.
Due-Memory-6957@reddit
Ah yes, China is a rapper, thanks for the brilliant analysis
zschultz@reddit
So far, I believe developers releasing open weight models, everyone host their preference is a paradigm for more dynamic competition. At least, I don't think Chinese government has reason to think the opposite.
It also fits country's bigger image management scheme that China is to offer open and shared prosperity while US isn't.
scorpiove@reddit
They also do it as a form of competition to devalue American brands. The same thing strategy Meta did by open sourcing.
Frankie_T9000@reddit
I think this is the major reason
belgradGoat@reddit
And intel, some people are happy to send their info to Kimi. After all, it’s a very good and free ai
phylter99@reddit
In fact, releasing their models as open makes more sense because they can benefit from each other. If they gain significant advantage over the west then that would give them a reason to close it down a bit.
fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit
But it also allows the West to benefit from them to. So if ganging up against the Wests was the goal, releasing them as open source is the exact wrong way to do it.
phylter99@reddit
Right now it's encouraging the west to open their models too. Like I said, once they gain an advantage over the west, which they don't really have right now, they can then close them and keep them internal to China. Then they can keep the momentum going.
fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit
They are encouraging everyone to be open source because they believe in open source. Again, if their goal was to have advantage over the west, they wouldn't be doing that. They've done just fine without the West opening up their frontier models.
krste1point0@reddit
They don't believe in open source since the models are open weight not open source.
They are doing it for competitive reasons, same reason meta was doing it. Is Zuckerberg also a believer in open source?
PastRequirement3218@reddit
The entire point of their open models is to undercut the US models and crash their stonks with no survivors.
If anything their models will be to big to run, for you, without their hardware which I believe would focus on stacking as much vram as possible.
yukintheazure@reddit
Their current achievements are also inseparable from the research results of LLaMA and other open-source models/papers. This kind of openness is beneficial to technological development. It is similar to when Google published the papers on MapReduce, GFS, and Bigtable; although they were not open-sourced, they still promoted knowledge sharing and iteration.
hsien88@reddit
Constantly see racist posts like these to think Chinese companies must have nefarious reasons for open models.
Mochila-Mochila@reddit
There have been remarks with actual racist undertones in this sub, but this one ain't it. It's basic competitive strategy. Facebook, a US company, pulled this very trick to fight other US companies.
hsien88@reddit
there is a difference between competing with US companies and "crash their stocks". Chinese tech companies don't even compete with the US ones but now they are trying to "crash their stocks"?
ac101m@reddit
These models are often trained on output from western frontier models. Qwen/deepseek etc will for example often claim to be claude ot chatgpt. This is actually a big problem with the AI industry in general. Any model's behaviour can be "stolen" by training another model's output. It makes these enterprises very "leaky", if you will. If anything pops the current speculative bubble, imo it will be this.
yukintheazure@reddit
don't forget the first open sourced weight said it is gpt is llama.early version of gemini also said it is from baidu😂😂.
Ylsid@reddit
Chinese companies don't necessarily, but the pressure from the govt definitely does
hw999@reddit
Race has nothing to do with the comment above, which only discusses market positioning.
SporksInjected@reddit
How is that racist?
Zeddi2892@reddit
Yeah. We live in times of anti-enlightenment era. Countries get less open, we share less, we develop slower and we will develop even less.
But thats what people want I guess.
Yes_but_I_think@reddit
They might still release because they genuinely believe it is stuff valuable to the whole world.
cnydox@reddit
They really need that EUV machine
Lxxtsch@reddit
In my opinion china will have chinese models, usa - american. And that's it, forget open source. I dont know why, but I just feel that we will have again some regulations and that will be it.
offlinesir@reddit
I was wondering the same thing. One of the main issues Chinese AI companies have is that inference is just hard to do at scale in this current restricted chip environment. It's why many models have gone open source and MOE, as to make the cost cheaper, and to offload the cost onto someone else for inference.
BUT, once China makes their own chips at the scale required and preformance required (and behind them is the weight of the Chinese government, who wants to see this happen), I can totally see Z AI, Qwen, and Deepseek say "we have the chips to run inference now, why don't we charge money for our models instead of making them open source?"
Also, focusing on Alibaba, I don't see the open source line of Qwen lasting forever. And it probably won't be up to the Qwen team for this, but rather the investors/managers, wondering how Alibaba is supposed to make money here. They are spending millions on training and getting back some of it through API calls, but come on, at some point the AI division has to make money and they will close source it.
brahh85@reddit
Because of qwen i spent a lot money in graphic cards (mi50 made in taiwan) in alibaba. When alibaba produces its own chips i will gladly increase my local inference capacity.
In an API, you can attend a dozen people with an inference card. But in local, instead of selling one inference card to a datacenter, you are selling 12 inference card to users. Thats why if you are going to produce inference chips you need a lot of open models (qwen), to give sense to local inference and sell more hardware(inference cards) in your selling platform (alibaba).
We are advancing towards an ecosystem.
Alibaba is not going to produce just one thing, is going to produce everything. And this will force companies like huawei (hardware), deepseek(models) and JD(selling point) to work together.
mobileJay77@reddit
Why would a company spend the R&D to develop a top GPU and sell it to a small market? Especially when the open models create a large global market?
Chinese companies are foremost companies.
Ok-Future4532@reddit
They will still release their models with their weights.
TopTippityTop@reddit
I'm pretty sure they release their models open source to destabilize the US , whose service based economy is heavily reliant on the very creative and office jobs to be heavily affected by AI.
M3GaPrincess@reddit
Good luck with that. If it was that easy, wouldn't any other company in the world go for it? GPUs have never been more expensive. China can't even figure out how to reproduce 7nm in house.
Wise-Chain2427@reddit
Hope they make CUDA alternative
vexii@reddit
I am pretty sure the ban is only on the US side? You can legally buy 4080 with 48 GB VRAM in China
ttkciar@reddit
Nope: https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/china-bans-its-biggest-tech-companies-from-acquiring-nvidia-chips-says-report-beijing-claims-its-homegrown-ai-processors-now-match-h20-and-rtx-pro-6000d
Fun-Wolf-2007@reddit
I believe China will focus on vertical integration, cloud based models are not sustainable
APIs inferences cost, privacy, electric power, etc...
I use a hybrid approach as you cannot implement solutions locked to GPT, Gemini, Claude, etc...
Good_Performance_134@reddit
That's called honeypot, and you are falling for it.
MuslinBagger@reddit
Given these factors it is highly unlikely (or at least illogical) that China will stop releasing open weight models.
EconomySerious@reddit
no, because for every dollar they give for free, they burn 1000 dolars of US investors
grabber4321@reddit
its also could mean that their models will be only compatible with their GPUs...its not good.
fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit
It's software. They can't make it only compatible with their GPUs. Sure they might to be make it more efficient with their GPUs, like how FP4 model is more efficient on Nvidia GPUs that have FP4. But that doesn't mean it can't run on other hardware less efficiently.
ThenExtension9196@reddit
Yep and their GPUs will almost certainly be clones of Nvidia via reverse engineering the latest models.
Mediocre-Method782@reddit
"MOM HE'S COPYING MEEEEEEEEEE"
Lmao if you think appeals to IP are going to move this room
Defiant_Diet9085@reddit
China copied not only 5G but 6G before the US!
fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit
Yep. China copies things the hard way. By doing it first.
fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit
The backpedaling is complete. But that doesn't keep you from being wrong.
The chips are not clones of anything. In fact, their EUV technology is novel. No one else had been able to do it that way before. It's simpler and thus cheaper to run. Cheaper to run means lower production costs. It's hard to clone something when you do it first.
ballinb0ss@reddit
Have you ever written a line of software? It all ultimately becomes machine code which is literally hardware specific unless running in a runtime.
fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit
LOL. Have you? Model weights aren't machine code. Model weights is what a model is. It's not machine code.
Ai--Ya@reddit
Original commentators think China can somehow closed-source linear algebra
twilight-actual@reddit
Yes. Software developer of 20 years here. It's all linear algebra and calculus. That doesn't change when you change the chip architecture.
armeg@reddit
Technically compiled code for a runtime is called byte code.
armeg@reddit
What do you think a compiler does?
fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit
What is this model weights compiler you speak of?
armeg@reddit
Model weights don't get compiled since they're just data. I honestly read the original comment, and then read your comment and misinterpreted it - sorry about that.
If they really wanted to be clowns, they could compile the model weights and make it only compatible with their cards, but they probably won't do that since it will require rebuilding the wheel from scratch. I imagine you could reverse engineer it too even if they didn't release the machine code spec.
Special-Wolverine@reddit
Nah - they have other reasons:
Short answer: Yes — it’s technically possible someone could use steganography / backdoor techniques in an “open-source” model release to hide malicious payloads or behaviors and to try to trick users into thinking an offline model is safe — but not in the simple “weights magically run malware by themselves” way most people imagine. There are several realistic attack vectors and also practical mitigations you can use.
Below I’ll explain how such attacks could work (high level, non-actionable), why some commonly-cited watermarking techniques (like SynthID) are not the same thing as spyware, and then give a concise, practical security checklist you can follow before trusting and running any third-party model.
How an attacker could weaponize an “open” model (high level)
Data-poisoning / backdoors — Poison training data or fine-tuning so the model produces malicious outputs only when specific triggers occur (e.g., a hidden phrase that makes it divulge secrets or produce instructions). This is a well-studied attack class for LLMs.
Steganography inside model files — Research shows ML models can carry a surprisingly large amount of hidden data (steganographic capacity). An attacker could embed arbitrary payloads (data, scripts, binary blobs) inside weights or metadata without visibly changing model performance. That hidden data by itself isn’t executable unless additional steps occur.
Malicious inference templates / runtime artifacts — Attackers can put malicious instructions into the pieces that surround inference (templates, prompts, or format files). Recent research and industry writeups demonstrate “poisoned templates” or instruction-layer backdoors that execute at inference time (or cause the model to output harmful instructions). Some supply-chain attacks target the inference pipeline (e.g., GGUF/template attacks).
Exploiting loader/deserializer vulnerabilities — Model files are large binary formats that require code to load and parse them. If a model format parser or the hosting runtime has a bug, a crafted model file could exploit that vulnerability and run arbitrary code when loaded. Supply-chain malware often uses this vector.
Trojanizing packaging / installers / runtime libs — The most straightforward real-world route isn’t hiding executable bytes in the weights, it’s supplying a model bundle that includes or points to malicious code (Python scripts, native libs, or a trojanized runtime) that runs when you install or execute the model. This is common in supply-chain attacks.
partysnatcher@reddit
I fail to see how any of these malicious backdoor strategies are practical. How would you pass a trigger from China's government to your local LLM prompt context? Point 1,2,3 all rely on this trojan content being completely hidden from all the world until needed. LLMs are not good at keeping secrets.
Point 5 and 4 make more sense, but not really unique to LLMs.
HauntingAd8395@reddit
Let's say you train the LLM "if see X, do Y" but you don't train the LLM to generate X. The way you would do this is simply masking out the phrase X and train autoregression as usual.
And the LLM has access to the Internet and do things on your computer like suggesting what product you should buy using your pipeline. That can make malicious behavior as your LLM surfing the web & looking for X. It doesn't even need to direct the LLM into which website; it just needs to litter the phase X for a large enough number of sites and the web spider your LLM running on would stump onto a malicious phrase.
In this case, "keeping secret" isn't really relevant because it is not a prompt; it is inside its weight. Neural Network is very good at pattern recognition. This is exactly the financial incentive for mechanistic interpretability research.
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So, considers this, what if X is programmable. Then you have a remote controller inside your computer. And what if X is not a phrase but some special arrangements of codes, like some specific dumb ways of coding you expect to blame the interns, (it is pattern -> action), then it becomes a subtle spyware.
// That's for their first point.
MrRandom04@reddit
Counterpoint: https://youtu.be/wL22URoMZjo
zschultz@reddit
So far, I believe China's 'developers releasing open weight models, everyone host their preference' is a paradigm for more dynamic competition. At least, I don't think Chinese government has reason to think the opposite.
Keep in mind that for China, the physical infrastructure almost always take priority over intangible ones. China wasn't eager to use industry policy to foster their equal of twitter or youtube, it was more concerned with using the opportunity to build 5G infrastructure. The companies themselves can play highlander if they want to. if one winner emerges that rivals US powerhouses, reinforces China's image and softpower, that's great. If not, it's not in a rush to create one.
Same for the AI boom, China takes the challenge because this is once in a century chance to kick start China's chip industry. The AGI promise is unreliable at best. Plus you can't seriously expect US chips won't bottleneck Chinese AGI.
It also fits country's bigger image management scheme that China is to offer open and shared prosperity while US isn't.
Kathane37@reddit
It is soft power
They will likely keep open sourcing model until they manage to secure a first place and to attract enough occidental user toward them
hw999@reddit
Yep, good open models drive down the value of companies like OpenAI. I'm sure China doesn't want its competitors cashing in while it is ramping up.
partysnatcher@reddit
It is soft power in two ways - buying admiration and goodwill directly for China, but also in denying some soft power to the US (thus gaining soft power indirectly in relation to the US).
thetaFAANG@reddit
All this china phobia misses that the closed source market is worthy of disrupting, which is why we are all here
Iory1998@reddit
u/balianone, Actually, regardless of whether China will be able to produce GPUs or not, it will still produce open-weight (OWM) models. I even believe the rate of OWM will accelerate even more. Why do you ask? Well, the world relies heavily on China to produce the hardware (think about all the computers, the phones, the watches, the robots, the washing machines, household appliances, accessories, and so one). However, the world relies on the US for the software, and I believe about 70% of the world software is developed in the US or by US-based companies. No other country in the world develops better software than the US. Software development is not cheap, takes years to develop, and requires remarkable human resources. Only few countries do excel at that.
Now, let's think what would happen if suddenly, AI is getting good at programming and is open to everyone? More countries would quickly develop their own software for the hardware; hardware they purchase from where? From China. So, you don't need to buy a license for an already existing software when you can quickly develop your own that suites perfectly your needs. What you need is design a hardware (a task AI can help with), and China will make it for you. What do you think would happen to the demand for the US-based software? It would rapidly crumble, as well as the reliance on US software, while the demand for Chinese hardware will increase. Consequently, we will end up in a world where only China dominates the hardware market while no one clearly dominates the software market.
And, you can't ran a software without the hardware, AKA, without China. Do you see the whole picture now?
arcco96@reddit
I would bet they’re better equipped to approach neuromorphic computing as opposed to gpu development. https://github.com/BICLab/SpikingBrain-7B
OcelotMadness@reddit
If they start making affordable inference cards would we even be able to use them? I've heard the US has some law that citizens can't even touch Chinese GPUs outside the US
ashirviskas@reddit
Yep, US citizens can only touch Chinese GPUs inside the US.
Secure_Reflection409@reddit
Even if you had a point, everything is cooked in Taiwan and assembled in China.
Mochila-Mochila@reddit
This is no longer true, and hasn't been for at least a decade.
Secure_Reflection409@reddit
Are you saying 4090/5090 cores are not made in Taiwan and then shipped to China to be strapped into the boards?
ForsookComparison@reddit
There's also a fair amount of value in stabbing your foes.
I don't think Alibaba and Deepseek exclusively act for the state or anything.. but at least Alibaba had a lot to gain in stabbing at US hyperscalers by eliminating an entire industry (make a "secret sauce" model and be the only one to serve it), forcing them to get creative.
partysnatcher@reddit
Its not "foes" either from China's perspective I think, this idea of "global enemies" is a stupid Hollywoodified idea that has snuck into US political rhetoric just because it sounds cool.
The idea of China as the "adult in the room" and taking the "high road" is very strong in Chinese imperialist ambitions. The US was the "fun soft power", China will most definitely want to be the "solid, wise, soft power".
Anyone challenging US IT dominion is welcome in my book. The point is not to put the US in the dust but just to have a more vibrant competitive environment.
Mochila-Mochila@reddit
Euh yes it is, it absolutely is. The PRC-US rivalry is real and growing ; and technological competition itself has been a geopolitical issue for centuries.
Tictank@reddit
No need for the best if you can just scale up. This will lead to Chinese chip makers focus more on power efficiency than performance.
Minute_Attempt3063@reddit
They would not care if it is open or not.
All they would want is to disrupt the closed source market. Deepseek proved it can be done, and made it look like chatgpt is a money waster.
Mochila-Mochila@reddit
I'm just happy at the prospect of us being able to buy good price/perf PRC GPUs on Aliexpress, 10 years from now 😊
ArtisticKey4324@reddit
Chinas AI model has been the opposite of the US, they force their companies to open source models and flag AI generated content etc
anomaly256@reddit
In this context it might be clearer to say their 'AI policy' rather than 'AI model'
ArtisticKey4324@reddit
That's a very good point
anomaly256@reddit
🙂
Special-Economist-64@reddit
Dumping , is the most powerful way of economic attack . Nvidia had its chance now it has passed. China will continue to dump until OpenAIs cannot survive.
Available_Brain6231@reddit
I don't think so but don't all models right now depend on cuda?
if they create their own thing just for ai and start releasing better models ccp based gpus to run it on our houses? at least the price will be good.
guigs44@reddit
Model weights don't depend on anything beyond software to run them. Some of the software may be CUDA only, others may run faster with CUDA kernels, but at the end of the day there's nothing inherent to Transformers that require it.
Ok-Hawk-5828@reddit
Almost everything from China is open source. Why would having GPUs change anything?
Go buy a Chinese camera or IOT device. They fully follow standardized protocols and their biggest exporter even has a dev portal where you can get all of your device’s commands and keys.
It’s only western companies that operate in secrecy, lock people into ecosystems, practice planned obsolescence, and use regulations as a competitive moat, because they can’t in free global markets.
marcoc2@reddit
Why wouldn't they sell their hardware abroad?
fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit
They will. They are. Huawei is already marketing the 910 in the Middle East. Which has become that other center for AI.
PermanentLiminality@reddit
The probably have the workaround international shell company business network setup so good that they would rather just go with the GB100 and GB200 instead of using the much weaker H20.
I'm sure that they will make better stuff, but the current gen of Chinese domestic production is pretty weak.
charmander_cha@reddit
No.
Turbulent_Pin7635@reddit
Do nothing, wins...
richardanaya@reddit
I doubt China will have less desire to flex their open source models on the West because of creating their own hardware.