Anyone else surprised by their own response to Foreflight’s “dynamic procedures”?
Posted by Nightcr4wl3r@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 12 comments
I really thought I would dig dynamic procedures, but after a couple of attempts using it, I have found it redundant to the chart’s purpose. Sure it takes a lot of clutter out of the approach plate, but on the iPad mini I have to scroll to get different information on dynamic procedures. Additionally I have to load it into my flight plan which is at least a couple more taps.
Although sometimes the approach charts give an overwhelming amount of information, I’m finding their snapshot view is incredibly useful, especially with GPS overlay.
I’m curious what your guys’ thoughts are!
chuckop@reddit
I’m liking Garmin SmartCharts in flight. Using a regular sized iPad.
saml01@reddit
IMHO its too much button mashing and its also a pita that it can only be launched from the FPL view.
Nightcr4wl3r@reddit (OP)
Hmmm this is an interesting point about it being bloated.
bhalter80@reddit
It's a hacky "me too" response to GP actually doing something pretty cool and rethinking the usecases around charts.
The bar on the side is just a rehash of the airport info or the bar across the top of the plate, having to click to the profile view to see step downs is redundant and cluttered.
As mush as I like FF, I can pretty easily imagine a meeting with 3 product managers, a director of product and 2 engineering architects with the goal of "what can we release in a month, after OSH but not too after OSH"
x4457@reddit
I don’t know who ChrisB is but I do have friends on the development side at ForeFlight, and their product was in development alongside Garmin’s, not after. Garmin just released it first (and did it better, in my opinion).
TxAggieMike@reddit
I tend to agree Garmin’s implementation is a bit better than FF.
bhalter80@reddit
I stand corrected then
AlexJamesFitz@reddit
I feel like it's complicated enough that it was in production before GP's product came out, but that's just a guess.
AlexJamesFitz@reddit
I'm mostly with you. I don't really struggle much anymore to identify which parts of the plate I need and which I can ignore, and I like knowing exactly where to put my eyes for a certain nugget of information when I'm flying an approach. GPS overlay on the plate itself works great for me.
kmac6821@reddit
As someone who makes charts for a living, I like the data centric approach that these manufactures are doing. I have an old publication on my desk and am amazed at how simple procedures used to be. With the advancement of TERPS, more information had to be presented using the same amount of chart real estate. Minima now included up to five different approach categories. Then, the advent of terminal routing meant that getting to the final approach segment from the enroute environment could come from much farther distances, unlike an on-airport VOR with a course reversal. The Volpe format, still in use today, was a scientific approach to minimize heads down time looking at the chart.
Even so, the amount of information, including notes, have to apply to a variety of users. To have an ability to distill down the information applicable to you and only you is the ideal way of conveying aeronautical data.
It’s not all perfect, of course. Sometimes notes are contextual to a location, so being able to adjust where they appear to the user is still relevant. Otherwise, I think charts ought to go back to the basics by focusing on their sole purpose: to tell a pilot to do a thing.
catdadplaneflyer@reddit
It’s nice; I like its’ summary of notes and the layout it gives of the approach. At the end of the day, it’s just an extra aid to situational awareness, just like any other extra piece of avionics. That’s what Foreflight should always be, so I think it’s a nice addition!
rFlyingTower@reddit
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I really thought I would dig dynamic procedures, but after a couple of attempts using it, I have found it redundant to the chart’s purpose. Sure it takes a lot of clutter out of the approach plate, but on the iPad mini I have to scroll to get different information on dynamic procedures. Additionally I have to load it into my flight plan which is at least a couple more taps.
Although sometimes the approach charts give an overwhelming amount of information, I’m finding their snapshot view is incredibly useful, especially with GPS overlay.
I’m curious what your guys’ thoughts are!
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