I remember the early power regulated smart vapes PWM'ed so slow it caused something called 'rattlesnaking'. That arm chip is some hilarious overcompensation.
On the other hand, the M0 core is so simple it can be printed on flexible plastic foil and work, pretty slowly, but hey flexible chip. https://youtu.be/01y6bR6ETpA
Our floor for computing power keeps rising. So the cheap chips are more powerful. Below a certain performance level is just not worth making and selling them outside of special needs.
It's way cheaper to buy the same chip they make a billion of and have it be a bit overkill than to buy the one that's more in line with what you need but they make a few hundred a year
The cheap ones? Lights. I guess the air flow sensor needs to talk to be read from something. The disposable ones don't have buttons.
I guess technically you probably (I don't know how the sensors work) could do without a mcu but the big issue is the safety function. Without buttons you usually have something like 3 quick drags to lock / unlock them.
The traditional vapes that are more enthusiast grade (like, the fat ones not something like Juul) actually have screens and different modes to set the power.
Like, a lot of the more expensive vapes are actually just battery pack + electronics and then you can screw in a vaporizer with a coil head that you can make yourself. So you end up in a situation where the manufacturer of the electronics has no idea what you put on top.
The early ones only had variable voltage which kinda sucked. Then variable wattage became a thing but now you need to measure the resistance of the wire and automatically adjust the voltage accordingly so you keep the wattage constant.
Then we got temperature control over nickel wire (I think it was nickel) and the last big vape I bought actually had stainless steel profiles. So you'd use stainless steel wires and based on the alloy the electronics would try to hit a certain temperature on the wire. This also finally meant that you are very unlikely to burn the cotton in the coil head because you could set the temperature below the point where cotton burns. double or even triple digit watts through a dry cotton strip doesn't taste good.
There are actually battery packs without any electronics but those are very old school or very enthusiast grade. You kinda have to build the coils yourself. The first vapes people built at home were basically modded flash lights (and I think that's where the term mod for the battery pack + electronics comes from).
But for the disposable ones it is basically only the air flow sensor and especially the safety lock.
Oleds are dirt cheap tho. I use them all the time for embedded stuff and the real small ones are like $1 or less. Perfect for showing battery level or settings details. Anything you'd need more output than just a light for.
I get big ones for more like $7-10
I do strongly dislike disposable anything though. Even the disposable pods seem pretty shit most of the time
They typically have buttons that cycle through adjustment options, such as power level. Some also have separate tanks so mint/menthol flavor and regular flavor can be adjusted independently.
Yeah. On OXVA XLim v2 Pro. You can change Wattage see how many times you pulled from the vape also see how many ohms does your cartidge have. But it is not a disposable but you get the idea. Also every disposable vape and also Oxva shows when you are pulling from the vape with a light or animation.
Running a full web server on a vape with 3KB RAM is insane. The SLIP + semihosting setup feels like an old-school dial-up hack but pulled off on throwaway hardware. Cool mix of absurd and brilliant.
mmmicahhh@reddit
in a disposable vape... For reference, NASA's Apollo Guidance Computer used in the moon landing had something like this:
mmmicahhh@reddit
QuestionableEthics42@reddit
Which adds up to about 74kb. Just because it's addressed as words doesn't mean it's not 74kb of space.
rich1051414@reddit
I remember the early power regulated smart vapes PWM'ed so slow it caused something called 'rattlesnaking'. That arm chip is some hilarious overcompensation.
HenkPoley@reddit
On the other hand, the M0 core is so simple it can be printed on flexible plastic foil and work, pretty slowly, but hey flexible chip. https://youtu.be/01y6bR6ETpA
ProtoJazz@reddit
Yeah, this is just economies of scale
Our floor for computing power keeps rising. So the cheap chips are more powerful. Below a certain performance level is just not worth making and selling them outside of special needs.
It's way cheaper to buy the same chip they make a billion of and have it be a bit overkill than to buy the one that's more in line with what you need but they make a few hundred a year
El_Wij@reddit
Smok RPM 4 is a goos one to hack!
gebstadter@reddit
sounds like vaporware to me
adeadhead@reddit
Underrated comment
fhgwgadsbbq@reddit
But why does a vape need a microcontroller?!
Asyx@reddit
The cheap ones? Lights. I guess the air flow sensor needs to talk to be read from something. The disposable ones don't have buttons.
I guess technically you probably (I don't know how the sensors work) could do without a mcu but the big issue is the safety function. Without buttons you usually have something like 3 quick drags to lock / unlock them.
The traditional vapes that are more enthusiast grade (like, the fat ones not something like Juul) actually have screens and different modes to set the power.
Like, a lot of the more expensive vapes are actually just battery pack + electronics and then you can screw in a vaporizer with a coil head that you can make yourself. So you end up in a situation where the manufacturer of the electronics has no idea what you put on top.
The early ones only had variable voltage which kinda sucked. Then variable wattage became a thing but now you need to measure the resistance of the wire and automatically adjust the voltage accordingly so you keep the wattage constant.
Then we got temperature control over nickel wire (I think it was nickel) and the last big vape I bought actually had stainless steel profiles. So you'd use stainless steel wires and based on the alloy the electronics would try to hit a certain temperature on the wire. This also finally meant that you are very unlikely to burn the cotton in the coil head because you could set the temperature below the point where cotton burns. double or even triple digit watts through a dry cotton strip doesn't taste good.
There are actually battery packs without any electronics but those are very old school or very enthusiast grade. You kinda have to build the coils yourself. The first vapes people built at home were basically modded flash lights (and I think that's where the term mod for the battery pack + electronics comes from).
But for the disposable ones it is basically only the air flow sensor and especially the safety lock.
ahumannamedtim@reddit
And USB c and a OLED and a lithium battery and they're meant to be thrown away.
ProtoJazz@reddit
Oleds are dirt cheap tho. I use them all the time for embedded stuff and the real small ones are like $1 or less. Perfect for showing battery level or settings details. Anything you'd need more output than just a light for.
I get big ones for more like $7-10
I do strongly dislike disposable anything though. Even the disposable pods seem pretty shit most of the time
Call_me_danco@reddit
Valid
anon_cowherd@reddit
They typically have buttons that cycle through adjustment options, such as power level. Some also have separate tanks so mint/menthol flavor and regular flavor can be adjusted independently.
Call_me_danco@reddit
Yeah. On OXVA XLim v2 Pro. You can change Wattage see how many times you pulled from the vape also see how many ohms does your cartidge have. But it is not a disposable but you get the idea. Also every disposable vape and also Oxva shows when you are pulling from the vape with a light or animation.
FauxLearningMachine@reddit
To host a website on!
initcommit@reddit
503: Server Went to Take a Hit
braunsHizzle@reddit
VaPS
Mognakor@reddit
Do vapes have more or less computing power than a pregnancy test?
captain_obvious_here@reddit
Yes.
___-____--_____-____@reddit
They should formally reserve the .wtf TLD for crazy deployments like this. Bravo.
So on reclaimed vapes without a flashable chip, can you easily upcycle the batteries into new projects? I've always been curious about that
_BeeSnack_@reddit
Yes you can. They are super nice little batteries :)
They are just small 3.7V Li-Ion batteries :D
mslothy@reddit
Approx what capacity, if you know?
_BeeSnack_@reddit
Like the other guy said. They range from about 400 to 1000mAh :)
You can literally buy these batteries in the vapes on Aliexpress
Friend_Of_Mr_Cairo@reddit
Off the cuff, I want to say 600ish mAh for like a Geek Bar.
giant_albatrocity@reddit
So how many of these bad boys do you need to run a bitcoin mining server?
elmuerte@reddit
Is this vape coding?
simsimulation@reddit
Cloud hosting
Rudy69@reddit
Vapor
Huge_Leader_6605@reddit
It's vaporware
c0ventry@reddit
Damn beat me to it! Cheers mate 😎
ThisIsMyCouchAccount@reddit
Seems like I could really get addicted to this.
And I'm not blowing ~~smoke~~ vape up your ass.
Responsible_Eye6408@reddit
Damn 16 mins too late.
Root-Cause-404@reddit
Recyclable computing, damn good
elSenorMaquina@reddit
Imagine building a GPU the size of a small appartment by stockpiling these up then turning them into a cluster!
I mean, the networking part was already solved...
LegFormer7688@reddit
Running a full web server on a vape with 3KB RAM is insane. The SLIP + semihosting setup feels like an old-school dial-up hack but pulled off on throwaway hardware. Cool mix of absurd and brilliant.
sohang-3112@reddit
The "real" site hosted on the vape gives error: 503 Service Unavailable
elSenorMaquina@reddit
...Aaand we gave it the hug of death. Not complaining, it's a vape after all.
gonxot@reddit
At first I thought it was ironic, but then I realized it uses 4k of ram so yeah, we can't expect miracles 😂
Tintoverde@reddit
If it is does not doom, I am not interested
Practical_Cell_8302@reddit
This op. Make it run doom
secretBuffetHero@reddit
this is cool
AustinScript@reddit
I think it sucks… and then blows:P agreed, very cool