Food Storage Philosophy
Posted by incruente@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 34 comments
When engaged in practices that consume significant time, money, etc., I find it useful to first nail down my philosophy on the matter. Why am I doing this? What's my real goal? Below are my thoughts on food storage.
What is the reason? Well, my family and I need food to live. Historically, disruptions to the food supply happen. So I want to protect us from those disruptions. (And saving a few bucks would be nice).
So what is the goal? To store up enough food to keep us healthy and functional until...well, we'll get to that.
So how do I do it?
First and foremost, and this is not "my idea", eat what you store and store what you eat. Very basic prepper principle. If you store it but won't eat it, it's failing to perform it's role. You can eat something you don't store (fresh fruit tends to have a short shelf life), but you should also eat what you do store, to keep it rotated and make sure you're still familiar with it.
Second, make sure you'll actually be able to eat what you store during whatever emergency you are preparing for. This means having a plan that interfaces with your other preps, most notably energy and cleanliness. If your plan is to grind wheat into flour and bake bread, you need to have a grain mill, the ability to use it (milling can be hard work, there's a reason it was one of the first tasks that we found non-human energy sources for), an oven, fuel or electricity for the oven, etc. Does your food storage rely on freezers? What's the plan for total electrical loss? When's the last time you actually repaired a generator?
Third, don't just store "enough calories" or "enough macros". Perhaps the most common approach to long-term food storage is to listen to the LDS, AKA the Mormons. Their recommendations have changed over time, but a lot of people settle for long-term storage on some combination of rice, beans, powdered milk, and oil. Okay; what's for dinner? If your answer is "oily beans and rice with reconstituted milk", okay; try eating that for a week (oh, you didn't store any salt? No salt!).
So where does that leave us? Here's where we get back to the time thing; how long do you need your food storage to last? A few weeks because you're planning for an earthquake? A year because you're planning for a more serious disruption? Ten years? Most foods simply cannot be stored for more than a few years, many cannot be stored for more than a few months; your plan for what to eat from your storage in ten years needs to only involve things that last, well, at least ten years. You can still have things that last only, say, a year; you just need to eat them in that first year.
So the immediate thing (for those who have no real food storage or who want to adopt this approach) is to build up equipment, storage, and recipes for what you are going to eat normally, and expand that to the limit of the shelf life of those foods or to whatever emergency you're preparing for, whichever is less. If you are only getting ready for that earthquake, no need to worry if the ingredients you're buying "only" have a two year shelf life; you'll use them up long before that.
What if your normal diet requires ingredients whose shelf life is shorter than the emergency you want to plan for? That's when you plan for a long-term dietary shift. When (insert emergency here) happens, you keep on eating your normal diet for a while, progressively substituting more and more meals with the long-term diet until eventually you've used up all the food you had for the normal diet. And again, consider energy; it's probably a good idea for the long-term diet to be mostly or entirely the sorts of things you can prepare with very simple techniques and equipment, like boiling. Rice, beans, pasta, etc.
So:
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Figure out how long you are planning to live off your storage.
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Figure out what recipes you are and least willing, hopefully eager, to eat regularly and that only require foods you can store; make sure you can actually make them, considering equipment, fuel, etc.
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If those recipes require ingredients that won't keep as long as the time you figured in step 1, figure out long-term recipes that you're still at least willing to eat and that only require ingredients that last as long as the time from step 1.
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Calculate how much food you need to store, and of what kinds. Build in a fudge factor, remember that children grow up, think of pets, and do NOT base your calculations off starvation rations; 1700 calories a day (lookin' at you, Mountain House) is not a recipe for success. You may well be working a lot harder than usual, walking or biking a lot instead of driving, etc.
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Buy it and store it right! It's a waste of time and energy and money and space if you're not going to store it properly. Bulk beans aren't a way to save money if they get eaten by vermin.
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Eat it! Cook and eat it using your emergency plan. You've got "lots of fuel"? All those lumber cutoffs you got for free from the woodlot? Cool; cook dinner over a lumber cutoff fire once a month. And not just to test your process, but to test and improve yourself. You CAN bake a pretty good loaf of bread in a wood stove, but it's a skill. And skills only improve with practice.
Classic-Network-5969@reddit
I have a tracking solar cooker, and I'm converting it into a dehydrator for the fruit drying season. (In Summer the solar cooker was doing about 650 watts (and that is roughly 90% of a horsepower! It is great for apples and herbs, but plums didn't do great in it. My back garden at this time of year produces large amounts of green runner beans, apples and plums, plus basil. All that can be dried. I used to have the use of a big chest freezer but my tenants have claimed more and more of the space and they don't get the concept of seasonal, using the produce in winter and filling the freezer in summer when stuff is cheaper. It's always full. If I had to do it again, I would make the racks in the dehydrator the same size as the dehydrator racks in the dehydrator I bought. That way, I can solar dehydrate in the day, then bring the racks in and leave them to complete in the electric dehydrator. It didn't have good enough air circulation in the solar dehydrator either, so I have to add a fan. That's the problem with DIY, there are always little things to improve. And now September is usually sunny here, but we had a lot of cloud in the last few weeks as the fruit ripened. Solar drying didn't cut it this year except for apples and mint.
ResolutionMaterial81@reddit
I am a multi-decade, serious prepper with a few tips.
1st, sure you want to have long term storage foods that are tasty enough for everyone in your group to eat, varied enough so as not to burn-out with too few selections, are balanced nutritionally, etc.
But concerning long term storage foods, even though I (at the least) occasionally eat my Freeze Dried Foods, not burning through my expensive stocks daily.
And though I (& family) absolutely LOVE freshly ground, freshly baked breads/pizza/Stromboli/etc....we would undoubtedly gain weight if baking on a daily basis. But if SHTF, the extra calories would be welcome. So until then, the homemade breads, etc are for special occasions such as holiday meals, etc.
So "Store what you eat, eat what you store" simply gets an big eyeroll from me... when discussing Long Term Storage Foods such as Freeze Dried. Short/Medium Term (canned, etc) foods make more sense.
Another (often overlooked) aspect of Long Term Storage Foods is as a hedge against inflation. Commercial Freeze Dried Foods may be rather expensive per calorie now...but in 2 or 3 decades likely will be an incredible deal considering inflation or possibly hyperinflation. Several items I have purchased (especially wheat) have more than doubled in cost just in the last 4 years, even factoring in sale prices. Storing foods with a shelf life of several decades allows this "inflationary hedge" strategy.
shikkonin@reddit
Then you didn't understand what is behind that tagline.
ResolutionMaterial81@reddit
Actually I did....& it goes along with "2 is 1 & 1 is none" and other (too) often repeated Mantras.
shikkonin@reddit
Ok then. What good does stuff that you have stored, but will never eat (because you find it disgusting, are allergic to it, don't know how to prepare it) do you?
ResolutionMaterial81@reddit
Funny! š¤£
"Never Eat"?? Actually I have & occasionally do, just not every day. My LTFS is for the proverbial "Rainy Day", Short/Medium Term Pantry is for day-to-day use.
"Because you find it disgusting"?? Actually just the opposite.𤣠As I explained (comprehension is key š) my LTFS items such as the freshly ground, freshly baked bread are simply too delicious to keep my current weight goals & consume frequently, much less daily.
"Are allergic to it"? Nope! š
"Don't know how to prepare it"?? Have many many times, so Big Nope again.
Again, keep in mind I have been seriously prepping for decades.
shikkonin@reddit
So you actually do follow the principle of "store what you eat and eat what you store"
Thanks for playin.
ResolutionMaterial81@reddit
Again...comprehension is key.
"Store what you eat & eat what you store" is good advice for "Tuesday Preppers". Basically a larger pantry.
But LTFS is more for "Doomsday Preppers". Certainly not something you raid because you are hungry during good times, but for more catastrophic events, such as financial collapse, GTW, etc... even sustained loss of employment or retirement.
But should you try out sample packs (& complex recipes with sample packs) before laying back thousands of USD....absolutely, it's only prudent.
Longjumping-Army-172@reddit
Here's my food/water philosophy. Remember, this works for me, because I live in a small town about an hour outside of a large city...but my backyard ends in woods.
The first step relies on my refrigerator.Ā We generally do enough shopping for a week.Ā So at any time, my fridge could have between 1 and 7 days.Ā I do have a generator, and try to keep enough gasoline to run it for two days.Ā Ā
Additionally, I keep my work car at above 1/2.Ā That's up to a full week to empty the fridge.
I don't have a chest freezer yet, but that's next.
Then we'll start on the pantry. Now I'm not there yet, but I'm shooting for at least two weeks worth of food rotated in the pantry.Ā That puts us at three weeks.
My next goal is to get two cases of MREs.Ā That will carry my family of three another week.Ā Ā
Again, I live in the sticks.Ā That means that I have all sorts of critters walking into my back yard...and a safe full of guns.Ā Also, I can all but see the large river...and a feeder stream (stocked with trout)Ā from where I'm sitting.Ā Ā
For water...I'm shooting to have a week of bottled watered stored (various containers) in addition to my hot water tank.Ā There's a spring that bubbles up behind my house, plus the creeks and river.Ā I have a Sawyer filter (and will buy another).Ā I'll pre-filter, then filter, then boil, then chemically treat (first with Porta-Aqua, then bleach).Ā This should keep us for at least 1 month.
Currently, my focus is heat and basic creature comforts (light and internet) for the first few days when the lights go out.Ā And comms.Ā That was my biggy during the last issue.Ā
PenguinsStoleMyCat@reddit
A chest freezer was a game changer for me. I now have three 7cuft chest freezers. I ended up buying a second and third when they were on sale and wanted more storage. It would be nice to have one really large one but I actually prefer the redundancy of having multiple in case one goes out. One of my chest freezers is mostly stocked with meat, when chicken or beef is on sale I'll buy a bunch of it and vacuum seal it.
I would consider freeze dried food over MREs. The shelf life advantage is huge. The inconvenience of needing water and a way to boil that water is offset by never having to worry about it expiring.
Longjumping-Army-172@reddit
We're limited on space, so a single 3.5-5 cu.ft. will have to do for us.Ā Again, I have options to obtain when storage runs out.
As for MRES vs Freeze dried, they'll also be rotated out for camping trips.Ā Not a huge fan of the flavor/texture of freeze dried anyways.Ā
Yougotsiked@reddit
Let me respond to this with a question. If you have $300 to spend today, and you know SHTF tomorrow, what will you buy? Keep in mind $300 of rice and beans will keep you alive for year.
PenguinsStoleMyCat@reddit
Will it though? How much water and fuel would you need to cook a years worth of rice and beans?
Yougotsiked@reddit
Based off a 2000 calorie a day diet, 730,000 calories a year. White rice 1,650 calories/lbs and dry beans 1,550 calories/lbs. 2:1 ratio rice to beans. So get 240lbs rice and 150lbs beans. $300 for year supply to survive. Food should be top 5 at least of things to prep. If you only want to buy 1 month supply thatās $25. Itās best bang for your buck.
Iād rather try to figure how to cook my food than how to find food to cook. Plus rice and beans donāt need to be cooked. When prepping, you should prioritize items based off necessity and cost. Rice and beans is the most condensed, calorie packed, long term, cheapest food item you can get. Of course itās not fool proof and the only thing you need but we arenāt fortune tellers and donāt know whatās going to happen, but you can guess and increase your odds. Food stability is number two on my list right after water.
incruente@reddit (OP)
Depends on what you mean by "SHTF". And the questions at least seems to assume I'm not ready now; what level of unpreparedness do you want me to assume? If it's something like a serious pandemic, I may well not buy any food at all with the $300, and instead buy medicine, filter masks, etc. If it's the yellowstone supervolcano thingy, I'd spend the $300 on a plane ticket.
Eredani@reddit
I've kinda had it with the "eat what you store and store what you eat" mantra. This is automatically repeated over and over on this sub.
First off, what does anyone care what someone else is storing, eating or even wasting? You didn't work for it and you don't need to eat it.
Second, there is no One True Path on how to prep. You do you. Specifically, there is nothing wrong with a 'set it and forget it' approach. There is an appropriate place for buckets of rice and beans, bins of freeze dried emergency rations, boxes of MREs or shelves of canned food.
Third, in a long term emergency you will eat whatever you have or can get. Even if you don't want to eat it, your neighbors or someone else in your community will be happy with crappy ramen, canned sardines, boring MREs or whatever.
Finally, this is not to say that we shouldn't all strive to be healthy, efficient and practical in all of our preps. But some of us are prepping for the unlikely or the unknown. Sometimes there is value in having goods, supplies, tools or even skills 'just in case' - things we hope we never need or even plan to use. Many of my preps are ONLY there for piece of mind. There is nothing wrong with that.
PenguinsStoleMyCat@reddit
It's a good philosophy. At the end of the day if someone needs to ask about food storage then they really should open a spreadsheet and start calculating what they need. There are just too many variables that need to be accounted for.
Mechbear2000@reddit
I guess you haven't actually understood the store what you eat philosophy.
If you store a bunch of stuff that you don't currently consume you can find
I am sure there are a ton more, its just easier to take good sage advice. Make it you own sure but understand it before throwing it out as crap.
Eredani@reddit
I'm assuming preppers have a minimum level of common sense when stockpiling food. Why would anyone purposefully store food they hate, are allergic to, dont know how to store, and/or dont know how to prepare?
Where are all theposts about having the correct ammunition for your firearms?
Do you also feel the need to tell drivers not to buy a stick shift if they only know how to drive an automatic?
Does any of this need to be said? Maybe I am giving people too much credit...
Unlikely-Ad3659@reddit
Lots of people here buy huge quantities of "beans and rice" , then askĀ which is the best storage bucket? How many years does mountain house freeze dried whatever last? Can I eat 6 year out of date corned beef? and then eat fast food in their day to day life.Ā
They are not eating what they store nor storing what they eat.Ā
ErinRedWolf@reddit
This forum is about sharing information. Not everybody intuitively knows best practices or how to do things properly, and prepping can be stressful and overwhelming, especially for beginners. Threads like this are useful. Maybe not to you, but to others.
incruente@reddit (OP)
I care mostly because I think it's a poor choice for them to make. Doesn't hurt me, but it's a waste of time and money for them.
I never claimed this was the "one true path" or anything of the sort. And no system is perfect; all of them have problems. Take your "set it and forget it" approach; things forgotten are things not maintained. Which is an EXCELLENT way to waste your money, and also not have the food you planned on having.
As to "whatever you have or can get"...part of the point of this is to make reasonably sure you, you know....have stuff. That's why people store things. If your plan is "scavenge", you do you, but it's a sketchy plan.
Again, I never said this was the only way to do things. If you buy things just for "piece of mind" (sic), sure, you do you. But if it's, say, a generator and you never maintain it or learn how to repair it, not only was it a waste of time and money, but it speaks poorly to your judgement that an unmaintained thing or a thing you have no idea how to use or repair brings you any peace of mind. It's like people who buy a gun and some ammo and throw them in their sock drawer, never train with it, never learn about it, and that's their plan for a home invasion. DOES it give them peace of mind? Sure, that's why they did it. SHOULD it? Hell, no; they've made their own situation worse, not better.
Grigor50@reddit
The last century? The century before that? Any prognosis of starvation the coming decades? If your entire country erupts in starvation... will you be able to store enough food to last all for months, maybe years? Will you be able to defend it against the starving masses? If there's famine... wouldn't there be other things going on i society that might make it a bit unnecessary to stora huge amounts of food? Like, if war breaks out and your house is on the frontline... you can't stay there regardless. Or if there's any number of natural disasters that force you out. Or just nuclear fallout all over your region.
I'm not saying people shouldn't store reserve food in their homes, everyone must, it's their duty. We need to be able to eat even if we can't go to the store for a few days. But if one prepares for all shops in the region being devoid of food for days, even weeks, months... then one has reached a completely different level of it all.
incruente@reddit (OP)
I don't need a prognosis of starvation in the coming decades; there are people starving right now. There have been in the last century, in the century before that, etc. Could there be other things going on that make storage futile or unnecessary? Maybe. But maybe not. And it's not as if this is a huge extra burden; I need to have food to eat anyway; buying it three months sooner and keeping it around is really only a cost in terms of a bit of space and a bit of time. From a financial standpoint, I actually save money.
Individual_Run8841@reddit
This
And I agree that this approach allows to save at least some money, by buying in bulk when there is something one likes to eat, is on sale.
Grigor50@reddit
Has there been starvation in your country the last century? The century before that? Is it likely that it could happen the coming decades?
Again: preparing for bad times is great. But... there might be better things to prepare for, and often they have to be balanced. Living in a house full of food, but without clean water or a heat source, isn't exactly ideal. And in a flood-prone area, all that money would be better spent on other things.
incruente@reddit (OP)
Yes, yes, and yes, for some people. And I don't see any particularly good reason to limit myself to just my country.
Cool. I never said anything like "only think about food". Quite the opposite, in fact.
Grigor50@reddit
"for some people"? Are you talking about homeless people or the likes? Are you consciously derailing the discussion?
Why not? Why pretend to live in the jungles of the Congo, or at the front in Ukraine, when you do not? Again, preparing for a crisis means being aware of risks, both effect and probability, analysing them, and acting on that. Knowing where in the world you live, and the circumstances of that location, is obviously of great importance.
Cool. I never said you did.
incruente@reddit (OP)
I'm answering your questions.
And assuming that things will stay the same if I stay in the same place is foolish.
So you're providing commentary that in no way applies to anything I've said? Who's "derailing the discussion"?
JRHLowdown3@reddit
Storing using and rotating food for just shy of 40 years.
The basics are the basics, learn to use them and like them. My son grew up on rice, lentils, home raised rabbit or chicken, and whatever fresh veg was going in the garden. We have eaten a lot of the same for decades, including almost 2 years we ate almost solely out of food storage while getting out of debt.
Your post is good, but understand that this new crowd tends to OVER think and UNDER do... Or paralysis by analysis and all that. In other words, they "research" too much and go in circles and DO too little.
Get started with a 2 week supply of food that stores, is easy to fix and makes sense for you. Build from there.
Fusiliers3025@reddit
Retail calls the āstore what you eat/eat what you storeā FIFO. First in, first out.
Or shelf rotation.
You just donāt stock canned goods by shoving the shelf contents back and loading fresh to the front - the newest stuff gets put to the back if the shelf so the older stock sells first.
Same with prepping. Eat from the front of the shelf, and put your later purchases to the back. Nothing like going to the cupboard and finding a rusty can thatās been waiting for years to be eaten! Or expired bagged food or anything else.
And a good way to start is by merely doubling your non-perishables on your grocery list (or possibly tripling or more). This is stuff youāre already planning around for meals and such, so itās stuff that youāll know you like and can prepare. Do this a few times, and youāll have a couple of months or more of reserves.
ErinRedWolf@reddit
Whenever I buy canned goods, I write the expiration date with a sharpie where I can see it easily. It makes FIFO organization much easier; I donāt have to squint to find the dates in the pantry.
Fusiliers3025@reddit
This is a great idea! (You have no clue how hard trifocals hit you until you go through it! š¤)
Mechbear2000@reddit
I guess you haven't actually understood the store what you eat philosophy.
If you store a bunch of stuff that you don't currently consume you can find
You or your "family" don't like it or not tons of it. Lowers you morale.
It does not agree with you or your "family" making you ill, constipated, allergic, etc.
You may not know how to properly store what you bought.
You might not know how to properly prepare it. Did you know beans, especially kidney beans not properly prepared will kill you?
You may need specialized equipment to store, cook, prepare you new foods.
I am sure there are a ton more, its just easier to take good sage advice. Make it you own sure but understand it before throwing it out as crap.