There is absolutely no way that speed dating has a harder time getting men than women.
But yeah, no place to meet them in most cities. I live in a medium sized city and no one has any idea where to meet women after university, which I spent in an abusive relationship. In my six years so far going to bars, I've literally only met one woman that was single... And I was so drunk I forgot she was single until after she left and I couldn't ask her out.
i was in several " Singles" FB groups for my area and the surrounding ones. i constantly see on them that they need more men to show up to them cause they don't have any. i went to several and immediately understood why. nobody in my age bracket would go cause it's all people who are double my age and the 3 women that were there that were my age were... well if i'm gonna put it nice they needed to work on themselves some more. 3 kids by the age of 20, next one couldn't hold down a job at relied on others for rent (i.e. me), and the last one i just had really really bad "dont stick your dick in crazy" vibes. there's just not much in it for dudes under 30 that would make it worth it to them unless it's like a college town. and even there in my experience only half the women that are the same age group as me were actually single.
i liked talking to them, some of them were cool but every 'event' i went to there was just nobody for me and i imagine it's the same case for many others
This is just an example from my (small) country, but it’s a thing. My friend has organised these events for close to a decade and over the last year or so the men have disappeared. She cancelled last three events because only 2-3 guys showed up (average used to be 15-20). She believes it’s more to do with the current ecomonic situation in our country, yet I dont believe it, since women still show up to the events.
I believe there's so many layers to this. Like even today. Men are almost "expected" to be iniatators. Which carries its own risk. Now tack on everyone and there dog has a camera they can upload your blunder if you happen too.
Now layer on the social and economic factors. I'm glad I found my wife before cell phones had cameras or at least when it wasn't super easy to upload my countless screw ups.
Point is rejection sucks. Man or woman. Doesn't feel good..now immortalize that via tiktok, Facebook, Reddit you name it.
These videos are all over the internet. Women showing up in huge groups to speed dating events and there’s only a handful of men there. Men are not trying to pay $100 just to get rejected when they can get rejected for free everywhere else
I heard from men that the majority of the women at thise events are not even single. They show up to support a single friend and have fun. So of the 100 women only a fifth are single and your just wasting your time trying to find them.
And the ones that are single aren’t even necessarily set on finding someone. They’re they’re to have fun. If they meet some amazing guy then they’ll consider it but, what are the chances you’re that first amazing guy that will finally meet the standards they haven’t found anywhere else online or In these events.
They’re they’re to have fun. If they meet some amazing guy then they’ll consider it but, what are the chances you’re that first amazing guy.
How are you so close and yet completely missing the point of these things?? It isn’t some arranged marriage shit, you’re there to have fun and check out a bunch of people that maybe things will work out with. There’s never a guarantee.
No they’re not there to check out a bunch of people lol. They’re they’re for their fantasy man they believe they’re destined for in their mind. But that fantasy man doesn’t exist. He doesn’t exist on the 3 dating apps they’re swiping left every day on, he doesn’t exist among the guys they’re leading on on social media for attention, no matching his standards exists at their job, and they’re not going to find anyone who matches his at attributes at these singles events either.
They’re not there to check out a bunch of people and they’re not there to check out you either. Most guys have learned that by now, that’s why these singles events are empty.
“Most guys” haven’t learned shit, they give up before they even try because they’re listening to bitter and/or grifting idiots online telling them women are all money grubbing chad fucking whores.
Sounds like they need to do a reverse ladies night. Ya know where drinks are cheaper to get ladies to come in? Seems like they want to attract men so they should make entrance fee free for men.
Start asking random people out for almost any reason. Don't, like, blatantly go up to them and start talking at them with intentions to date, use tact.
I asked out my current girlfriend because she bought a knife from the vendor booth my parents were owned and I liked her curly hair. Literally my first interaction with her ever. I just said "Hey, y'know if you're interested we should grab a coffee later!" and we had both been out of our last relationships for about a year so it was good timing.
“B-but what if she shrieks that I’m a creep, mocks me to her friends, and tries to call the cops on me???”
First off, men have got to do a better job at filtering for personality. The kind of women that would do that are very rare and very noticeable. Don’t just ask out the first woman with huge gazongas you see, get a feel for if she’s a total bitch or not.
Secondly, don’t be so goddamn pushy. The romcom cliché of “persistence will be rewarded” is a lie. When she says no, take it with grace and no one will think you’re a creep. If you try to follow her home, she WILL call the cops and she would be justified to do so. No, it’s not “women these days”, stalking and ignoring boundaries has always been frowned upon.
That ain’t the point. Nowadays girls don’t want to be bothered when they are out doing things, and reasonable men are respecting them by not cold approaching them. That is what is happening and it’s not because all men are stupid and pussies, it’s a side effect of men’s change which is happening, making them more aware and respectful of girls’ boundaries. In fact, 8/10 of those men who still cold approach are assholes that don’t respect girls. So girls say that most men are creeps, because they don’t approach and only get approached (for historical reasons), so they deal mostly with men that don’t respect them. So the good ones hear girls venting about it and want to approach even less not to be called creeps, and now it’s men that vent about it. It’s a cycle. The solution here and the only way out is girls have to change to match men’s change. They need to approach more. In my group of 7 homies, 5 of them are engaged and 3 out of 5 it’s the girl that asked the man out. Which is still not common because many girls still can get a man without moving a finger, so there is no reason for them to approach more. But I think that’s the solution
I don’t think women approaching men is a bad idea, in fact it’s quite excellent, but I disagree that it’s the only solution. Learning the social skill of reading body language to know when women are open to being approached or talked to is another solution, but social skills are a dying art.
A lot of my friends went to engineering schools, where women were treated as a myth and social skills are an afterthought, so they adapted. One of my friends met a girl in his jujitsu class. Another while on vacation to another country. One approached a girl at a farmer’s market. One guy even started dating a girl who met through selling his stuff.
The common denominator here is that these aren’t necessarily “cold” approaches”. They’re more like “lukewarm” approaches where you have a reason to approach a girl, BUT you also take advantage of the situation to build a rapport. Of course, that requires a certain level of social allaise that can be considered intimidating.
I blame COVID, but it feels like a lot of people have developed this belief that social skills are innate and not learnt. They also refuse to do anything that doesn’t have a 100% success rate, even though socializing is like basketball, where even the best in the world are expected to miss at least half the time (50% shooting is considered excellent in the NBA). Yeah, 9/10 women will reject, some more politely than others, but finding the one that clicks with you is worth it.
Yep, I've definitely never done the "persistence will be rewarded" method. I have found that literally doesn't apply in any aspect of life. Maybe if you're on the cutting edge of something, like maybe persistence was a necessity for Steve Wozniak, Bill Gates, or Jeff Bezos, but I'm several more degrees of distance away from those types than just persistence. There's plenty more short roads to walk and try than long ones to staple yourself to and maybe eventually succeed at. Variety is the spice of life.
It was a girl's birthday at a bar once and I approached and asked if I could buy her and her buddies a round of shots. She goes "Oh, well he's actually my boyfriend," so I said "Oh, well then he can have one too!" I turned me picking her up into just me being friendly, and it didn't make my night any worse. I still got to chat with them for a moment and a birthday girl still got a free shot.
Ah but you see, you have the illusory skill of being able to talk to women and handle rejection without getting crippled, which you were definitely born with and couldn’t possibly have learnt and practiced at all.
Thats funny, the opposite happened to me. In High School and the first 2-3 years of college (Before covid and everything went online) I used to have absolutely no problem with women and asking them out/getting rejected. Now after isolating myself during covid along with moving to a new city at the same time and not knowing anyone or making an effort to try to, I've practically lost my ability to talk to women and to an extent, just basic social skills too. Its been like that for 4 years. I've only now have been more sociable since ive been going back to finish my schooling and join some clubs. Although I've never feel into the whole angry incel autist role, for which im glad.
I don’t know what it’s like in other countries, but in Asia speed dating is usually 15 min convos about how much money you make and hoping the woman across from you is desperate enough to take it.
I've never been to one, but it's hilarious how hard the women who run them sell the female attendees: "vivacious confident successful alpha achiever women who are CRUSHING IT with their careers!"
Hmm, are they hot? Are they nice? Also have you ever met a straight man?
No, this lines up with what I've seen of dating event sales.
In my city I've been eyeing a couple of the popular ones. There's this one called BODA, which delineates their sales by gender and rounds. Female tickets always sells out before male tickets.
I've yet to actually go and verify if this lines up with the irl experience, but there's that.
I feel you though, same situation, but you're 4 years ahead.
Anecdotally, at least in my area, I feel like young women in my area in general are more open to going out and doing things on random nights than men. I frequently see a lot of my single female friends going to bars/restaurants on weeknights even if it's just to hang out and are always posting themselves doing things over the weekend. Whereas I am going to the gym and playing video games with my single male friends during weeknights and going out to do activities and on dates with my wife on the weekends. I figure speed dating is just another "fun activity" to do to kill some time for some people.
Anecdotally, my women friends are also the ones to complain about not having money more often than my male friends, despite some of them earning as much or more than their male counterparts, while a lot of my male friends are saving comparatively large amounts of money before we even hit 25.
It's a pretty complex topic, and hard to analyse without moral judgement, because then we go into the whole rabbit hole of whether or not behaviours are justified within the historical context they evolved in. In this case, there is seemingly a difference, but this is not as exaggerated in the data:
Whether it does swing one way or the other, the difference isn't much greater than 10% either way, and we're dealing with marginal differences (whether you spend 98% or 116% of your income, you're still not really saving much) which suggests this isn't that big an issue in real life, but more of a perception one.
The men who are successful at those events have switched to dating apps because they can get more for their money (just look at those attendance fees, ridiculous). And the rest seems to have caught on that at these events they are just subsidizing other people having a good evening.
I’ve heard a lot of stories of people showing up to speed dating or just singles events and it’s 90+% women. Most of the guys never hear about it. I’ve heard some events don’t get any guys to sign up, so they basically have hired guys pretend to be available men looking for a relationship. All of this is hearsay so take it with a grain of salt. One story I remember, a guy and his buddy got free entry into an event and realized they were the only dudes there. They got some drinks, talked to each other, and then a woman approached them to complain that they should be approaching the women.
2 of my female coworkers recently signed up and they invited me and I went to sign up it said to many men had joined so they were only allowing women to sign up and this was a month before the speed dating was to happen
Because there's nothing like that in my city either. I have an active social life, I have friends with active social lives, I know quite a few women, all of which are married or getting married. There's nowhere around here to remotely consistently meet anyone single except for uni. I can go plenty of places and meet people, you just never meet anyone who's not with their partner.
There are events that are literally singles events.
And before anyone says they're all just gonna be sausage fests, many of them are ticketed events that cap the number of each gender to maintain a roughly balanced ratio
Most women on dating apps for me (I'm 26) are about 40 miles away, while my younger sister, who is 23, met her fiance through tinder locally. She's talked about how she could spend literal days endlessly scrolling through men in the next ten miles while I can only spend about five minutes a day scrolling through women 25-34 in the next fifty miles. I don't even know anymore, man.
I thought the same thing until I started actually looking at these events and saw women’s tickets selling out several days before events and them running BOGO deals to try and get men to sign up
Because they'll act friendly to you for months only to call you a rapist and turn you into a social pariah because you put your hand on their shoulder when they were in a fit of tears. That's why dating is dead.
i replied to a comment that was saying "thank god I found my wife before this era" and I'm like "i found my partner just fine", and some dunce replies to me with "well yeah cause you're a woman" like ?????????????????? what is that even supposed to mean? they say you just can't get a girlfriend but my boyfriend literally got a girlfriend
u/RED-19 i hope you realize that it means my partner found me too. like what? "well yeah cause you're a woman" like what kind of logic is that. is my boyfriend suddenly not a man? the type you guys think can't find a woman in this day and age?
Fortunately, I have a gf, but judging by how my male friends' dates usually go, it's usually like this:
- a guy hits on a girl
- she rejects him
- the guy hits on another girl
- she rejects him again
repeat several (dozen) times
- the guy gives up and prefers to stay at home/do his own thing
Inb4: they should start earning more money/taking care of themselves/change they hairstyle/change their lifestyle/whatever - I always thought that we don't have to pretend to be someone we're not to get someone, apparently that's history now and we need to be someone other than ourselves.
And yes, no one wants a lazy person who doesn't clean up after themselves and has no interests. The problem is that my friends have their own apartments, some have their own businesses, their hobbies, they go to the gym, and yet they are alone. I don't know if the opposite sex thinks that there's always a better fish in the sea and prefers to constantly search for someone who is a 10/10 instead of settling for someone who is a 7/10 or whatever...
Dating has an incredibly high rate of pointless time consuming crap to actual value, and being honest here a lot of girls put in low effort, they may look great but many times the dates show atrocious ability to contribute.
Plus I’m realising an even higher than expected percent of women are entirely viewing the relationship situation like an economist would look over prospective investments rather than an actual social connection. I can understand looking for a provider but this is much beyond that, this has become looking for a financier to bankroll a certain type of lifestyle.
If I see this is what the date is I’ve just started cancelling mid-date, politely saying I have to go, pay my half and leave, the end.
All this is after the extensive rejection process that you find the few that are willing to go on dates among dozens who just want a penpal emotional confidante instead.
That’s only writing a few issues, there’s like 20 or so major problems but I just don’t have the energy.
I don't know if the opposite sex thinks that there's always a better fish in the sea and prefers to constantly search for someone who is a 10/10 instead of settling for someone who is a 7/10 or whatever...
Every noticed how swiping/scrolling a dating app is vaguely similar so a slot machine/video poker? Dating apps tap into the gambling part of the human brain and almost every gambler KNOWS the jackpot is just one more spin away.
Why go out and suffer through countless rejections when I can stay at home, jerk off to my heart's content, eat chicken nuggets and play video games all day? Limitless instant pleasure/gratification with 0 consequences.
this is gonna be hard for the normies reading this but if there's no way to get pussy, the average man wouldn't lift a finger more than he had to for cheap dopamine and survival. im not saying we need to turn woman into government handout sex slaves to motivate the male youth, but if dudes keep realizing theyre not getting any action regardless, theyre gonna stop maintaining the roads and it will be harder to get your matcha lattes.
not only by sex, but by sex, being accepted socially and romantically, building a family and having a solid footing in a community. i called it "getting pussy" but it's more than just sticking your meat in wet flesh.
You don't need "pussy" to be part of a community and be accepted socially. Most people don't give a shit if you've had sex or not, because it is seen as a personal and intimate matter that is inappropriate to talk about unless there's some trust already built up in a relationship. This is the thing this corner of the internet doesn't seem to get: sex will not fix your feelings of loneliness and isolation. Finding a partner to fill that void will only make you emotionally dependent on them.
It's also a bit denigrating towards men, don't you think? That the only way we can ever be happy and give a shit about anything depends entirely on having a woman by your side? My dudes, are we just fucking unable to function on our own? Take control of your life.
A lot of people obviously do and it's a part of being seen as socially normal to have romantic relationships. Finding a partner to feel less lonely doesn't mean you'll be emotionally independent on them. What does this even mean? If you're lonely, making friends isn't a good idea because then you'll be "emotionally dependent" on them to fulfill your social needs. You're getting too in the weeds with psychological talk. When people feel unable to have a family, a relationship, and be accepted in their community, it's not to be unexpected that they retreat.
If you have just one person to fulfill your emotional needs, when that person leaves, your whole world comes crashing down as you don't have anyone anymore. Yes, you might've made friends with their friends, but they will most likely also leave with the ex-partner. If you have issues that involve them or you can't talk to them about, you will have no one to approach. Since you rely on them, and only them, for your social needs, you will do anything to keep them by your side because otherwise you will lose it all. That's what I meant by being emotionally dependent. Relying on someone doesn't make you dependent. These things do.
And, yeah, it's not unexpected they retreat, you're right. But what I'm saying is you don't have to just accept your fate, lay down, and rot. There are other options to build connections and fulfillment, and once you do, you make yourself much more desirable as a potential partner.
I think the issue of being romantically lonely is generally solved by finding a romantic partner. When you bring in other things like "relying on them for all your emotional needs," you're talking about something else.
But you literally said it wasn't just about the partner, it was about the community and social acceptance that came with it. My entire point was based around the premise you don't need a partner for those things, and getting them makes you more desirable anyway.
people need motivations to do things. if the reward for integrating into society and working is that you get to be marginally less broke with no friends or relationship, some people are going to choose to be lazy and jerk off and eat tendies
Which is fair, but why are we deciding to blame this fact on women and not the fact that men are STILL victim of gender roles (men don't cry, men don't talk about feelings, men are tough, men are dominant) in a society that no longer rewards those roles? Why don't we say "hey my dudes, actually to have human relationships and connections, we need to approach people and be emotionally open."
What are we doing instead? We're going on the opposite direction and doubling down on the alpha male bullshit, which, surprise, only further alienates women. Either that or just lying down, playing vidya and jerking off while going on a doomer spiral.
There's also, of course, the absolute state of our economy in which CEOs are fucking us raw in the ass and we get a few crumbs and are supposed to say "thank you daddy" for them. Which also contributes. There are barely any spaces to just hang out without paying, everyone gets increasingly individualistic, and the politicians don't give a shit because their pockets are already full from all the lobbying.
So what gives? Why do we insist on simplifying things and blame "women not getting into relationships" when there's so much more shit going on that's far more significant for the male loneliness epidemic? We're looking at a single tree and going: "I can't believe this tree is so big!" when there's a forest behind it of trees 50 times its size.
because "emotional openness" isn't the primary reason these guys don't get girlfriends and because "muh economy" is only tangentially relevant and I personally, am annoyed with people taking every issue where there's actual disagreement and going "no dude! ignore that and hate CEOs with me!" taxing Elon Musk's wealth is not going to get any of these dudes laid. On emotional openness, like I said, it's not the main reason for a lot of these guys. There's things you can point to in general society, dating culture, and their own lacking in looks and other factors that make an individual attractive before vague things like "EQ" come up. We also know that, to at least some extent, people will label positive traits onto their partner to justify their decision and seem less shallow, so plenty of people are calling their partner smart and empathetic when they're average in both traits, but they're hot, so you consciously and subconsciously add positive traits onto them. Plus, a lot of men just don't want to be emotionally open. Because they don't get anything out of it, or they get punished for it, or because there simply isn't anything to be emotionally open about. A normal guy going to work and gym and home might not have seem deep trauma to reveal to you, and even amongst people who are generally pro-therapy, it's known that "talking" helps women more than men, who tend to benefit more from tangible solutions. There isn't a solid tangible solution to "no one wants to date me" so if you can't change the result, you can at least decrease the effort in the attempt.
How many men that are seem as respectable, admired members of society never had a woman by their side? It’s obviosly wierd if someone is like 40 and never had a partner
It's definitely seen as odd by general society, but you're thinking of it backwards. It's not that they're admired and respected members of society because they've had a woman by their side, it's that they have a woman by their side because they're admired and respected. People are attracted to that, and it's easier to find a partner.
And hey, if it comes up in conversation, you only need say "yeah, haven't really found my match yet. But I know she will show up one day". Anyone who tries to push it further than that is just being nosy at best and an asshole at worst.
Sex is a spectrum. If you think sex isn't that good, maybe you aren't good at sex and/or the people you're having sex with aren't good at sex. Sex can definitely be terrible, but it can also be one of the best human experiences possible.
Sex is objectively a fundamental driving factor in humans (excluding people with abnormal brain chemistry). Even when it isn't the explicit surface motivation, it’s often subconsciously intertwined into other motivations. Sex is also not only limited to the momentary act itself, but has long-term social effects.
Listen, sex is good. It's great! There's a reason so much of our society is dedicated to sex. It's one of the fundamental human experiences.
But that's the thing. It's just one experience. The way you think about sex before having it vs. how you think about it after having it is night and day. It does not fundamentally change you as a person, it doesn't fix your shitty feelings, sure it might be a vehicle to building a nice relationship with someone or connecting with your peers... but sex isn't the only way to do that. That's why people complain that it is put on a pedestal. It's amazing, but it's not the end all be all.
You're misinterpreting my words. Saying something is not as important as it is chalked up to be is not the same as just saying that it is not important.
You know what are some more fundamental human experiences? Food, clothes, artistic expression, cultural traditions... big parts of our culture are shaped around these experiences, yet no one would claim that fulfillment depends on them. Sure, it plays a factor into it, but it's just ONE factor upon multitudes of them.
Just stop seeing "pussy" as the pinnacle achievement. Just start creating stuff for your own satisfaction and start thinking of women as people and not vaginas.
where in anything did i imply that you should think of women as vaginas attached to a non-sentient object? you're wilfully misinterpreting what i said. "their own satisfaction" can be jerking off and gaming. if there's no clear path to a relationship, family, and community, they're liable to stop there.
Also... I've seen plenty of women on construction sites as I drive by or working as baristas. The economy is in the tank. If a guy is too depressed to work, someone else is taking that job.
Holy this I thought I was going crazy, thinking I was the only one in the comments that thought money was a bigger incentive to get a job than pussy. Thanks man
That is an element of it. More broadly, it's about the rewards for hard work being erased. Not necessarily all men will work hard to get pussy, but almost every man will work his ass off for a wife and child, and that is even more out of reach. Not to mention a house of your own, hobbies, nice car. It's literally fucking unattainable.
And yeah, when you stop caring about anything, and just cry to survive, life is pretty damn cheap.
Family definitely is a hell of a motivating factor but for some dudes its as simple as having a meaningful relationship that will pull them together and push them forward. Its why you see some guys fall into a pit after a breakup and their "motivating force" is gone.
Every year, what Yahtzee Croshaw said at the end of 2009 gets more and more poignant.
"As we move from the 200X's to the 20XX's, hopefully it feels more like we're living in the future rather than a dystopian hellhole where an iPhone has considerably more value than a human life."
"As we move from the 200X's to the 20XX's, hopefully it feels more like we're living in the future rather than a dystopian hellhole where an iPhone has considerably more value than a human life."
I'd love to see the video where this quote came from, not that it would add anything I just like watching yahtzee's vids whenever i come across them
I know the other guy has posted a link, but generally any of his end of year "top/bottom/blandest 5" or "awards" (if they're very old) videos are great to watch.
But to the yin must come the yang; to the cream must come the cheese; to the giddy high of new love must come irritable bowel syndrome.
There is something appealingly ironic in coming third in a mediocrity contest.
[Top 4]. Shaking hands with Kofi Annan
[Bottom 4]. Realizing your flies were unzipped the whole time you were shaking hands with Kofi Annan
[Top 3]. It wasn't Kofi Annan at all, it was Nelson Mandela
[Bottom 3]. Hang on, Nelson Mandela's dead, and you've committed a massive faux pas at an open casket funeral
Yahtzee is the online username of Ben Croshaw, a video game critic who's been at it since 2007. For much of that time he ran the show Zero Punctuation on The Escapist. The first review he did for The Escapist was Halo 3, on release. That's how long this guy's been at it. Prior to getting picked up by The Escapist, he published two reviews on his personal channel.
The Escapist ended up being a fairly nasty company to work for. Without going into all the details, Croshaw resigned from The Escapist in November 2023 after they fired their editor in chief and now publishes video game reviews in the same style on Fully Ramblomatic, which was the name of his blog before joining The Escapist - different name because The Escapist still owns the naming rights for Zero Punctuation. It's just like Zero Punctuation except it's red instead of yellow and Yahtzee wears a cowboy hat instead of a trilby.
A fully chronological order playlist of all of Yahtzee's reviews can be found here. Fair warning: it is over 900 videos long.
I tried my ass off, got a girlfriend who I was with for 2 years, we talked and hung out and went out on dates almost day. She got a job at Amazon and started cheating on me the first week she was there. What reason is there for me to try hard to get a relationship when all it takes is one person to fuck up 2 years of my life lol.
you are living the American dream because you get to use your anecdotal experiences to justify your ignorance and feel superior to people who are struggling
real talk, i’m glad you’re doing well, bro, but (just statistically speaking) it had much less to do with your own acumen and effort than with external factors outside of your control. the hard work is necessary, but it alone can never and will never lead to success. that is the core falsity of the American dream
Hey man im not going to deny I got lucky some times, but I also worked harder for longer than 95% of people around me, and I was strategic about every move I made.
A lot of people done have that capacity, sure, but also a lot of people just coast and wait for shit to come to them.
tbh bro, while I still stand by my general point, reading my comment back I’m not entirely sure where the socio-economic commentary ends and the cope begins. it’s really easy to be defeatist about these things and doubt how much influence an individual can have over their own life in the face of so much external uncertainty.
i’m sure your efforts played a greater role in your success than i said originally. a man can get far on just his wiles. maybe it’s a sign for me to take some fucking action lmao
It's not unattainable for everyone. But it has been unattainable for a small but increasing percentage of people for a very long time.
What I am talking about attaining.
A. Own your own home
B. Support a family, spouse and 2-3 kids
C. Retire
D. Everything above to a decent standard. One bed apartment full of mould where everyone sleeps in one room doesn't count. Trailer park doesn't count.
E. All the above in a decent timeframe. Retiring before age 70. Married, with kids and first house age 35.
For a man or woman graduating highschool today, this is unattainable unless you get very lucky or your parents are rich.
The way the average person used to attain these things is to go to university, get a good job, and everything else followed. With the way student loan debt is and the way house prices are, I'm pretty confident in saying the majority of Gen Alpha will never attain these things.
Nobody is giving that kind of stupid ass advice. Most people suggest finding a hobby that allows you to meet people of the opposite sex in-person, which excludes video gaming, chronic masturbation, and bitching about women online.
When was the last time you met a woman after university, has a full time job, and consistently goes out to do "hobbies" that aren't, like, just the occasional workout?
A lot? At my climbing gym, there are more women than men. I’ve met women taking dance classes, martial arts lessons, and certain sports like tennis or badminton. One of my friends met his girlfriend while volunteering. Young women usually have more free time than men for some reason, unless they have kids.
At my climbing gym, there are more women than men. I’ve met women taking dance classes, martial arts lessons, and certain sports like tennis
Lol it's hilarious that you are saying this and getting down voted bc the girl I'm with now literally likes rock climbing gym, Latin dance classes and tennis. I don't particularly care for any of those three but fortunately we are both hippies and spend almost all our time together outdoors in the forests, lakes and especially mountains. Ah the joy of living in a place that has all those all around you.
But yeah I mean before she met me (off Tinder) she went to all of those. And she absolutely did like the guys she met at the dance classes. We go dancing now but for specific themed nights or the local artsy club, not choreographed dance classes at which I'm completely hopeless.
People just don't wanna hear solutions here but if you had to go anywhere, the dance classes are definitely the best. I went to one once since they had a 70s night and I love the style of that period, I came dressed up and the instructor was fawning over me even tho I was useless at dancing. I met plenty of girls who would hang around me and chat me up even though I was quite literally the worst dancer, but I was cheerful about it and people like an easygoing person. I was already in a relationship so I didn't pursue anyone, but it was easy to do so because it was like shooting fish in a barrel, the only place where I felt more female attention are weddings (which are absurd, it's the only place where I've seen women get male levels of horny). Dance classes and events usually have way more women than men and the men that visit are older whereas women are of all ages. You'll have 20-something and 40-something women fighting over you, you don't get that feeling very often as a man.
Thank you, finally someone who gets it. Even if you don’t meet your soulmate at these places, making female friends drastically increases your chance of getting introduced to women who could be interested in you. It’s like they don’t even want any help.
You’re getting downvoted because what works for some doesn’t work for all.
young women
Also a lot of these men are going late twenties to mid thirties. Young women are generally not going to be their demographic anymore as life changes as you head in to the next decades of your life
It’s not a question of what works. I’m not saying all women are interested in dating, but acting like women don’t have hobbies or personalities is ridiculous. There are a lot of hobbies where you can meet women, it’s just that some people are allergic to any activities that require leaving the house.
Women are just as starved for companionship as men, and a lot of them hate the exploitative nature of settings like clubs, bars, and dating apps and just want to meet men that share the same interests as them.
I also do climbing and dancing, still yet to meet a woman in those hobbies +-10 years my age that doesn't believe in astrology or other poignant red flags.
definitely not a "recently", but damn, maybe because it's "video games" that i play after getting home from work or gym in the evening! those people were right!
Not sure why you added the /s? This is literally unironically how it works! Go out into the world, and be a human, amd you'll meet other humans. I think the problem is a lot of lads go out into the world with the intention of meeting a woman, instead of letting it happen naturally. Go outside. Do things. Taste the sunlight, regularly, for yourself if nothing else. Give it a go!
I don't know about your phrasing, but I do think you're right.
Look at China, where they had the 1 child policy and parents wanted boys so a bunch of them had their daughters adopted away to western countries.
So the male/female is so schewed in some parts that there's a bunch of men who've just given up on the dream of starting a family and gave up. And just keep living like 15yos at their parents place.
I've been out of the dating pool for a long, long time
But at least from what I've seen vicariously there seems to be a combination of ladies expecting way too much and fellows letting a few rejections turn them into Andrew Tate evangelicals that just further alienates them from women
I love a person as deeply as I do my long term partner, despite a disparity in physicality. An actual person looks beyond looks, but I understand the sentiment behind trying to make Instagram look as perfect as all the others
Oh, I am not saying everyone is superficial, but it is a fact that social media has set a standard that most normal people can't reach, and has distorted the perception of "normal". There's a reason why body dysmorphia is often a cause of high levels of stress, depression and anxiety, especially amongst the youth.
"if there's no way to get pussy" but you didn't even try at first?? I think you lost your courage after women thirsting over super handsome men became visible to you via internet.
But you're forgetting thirsting on internet doesn't mean it's your standard and you won't be happy without it. Just like a man thirsting over margot robbie and still can be happiest man with his wife Susan.
There's a growing number of men who have never had sex in their lives or haven't had sex for a very long time. It's dishonest of you to act as if it's just a couple guys whose standards are too high or that they just never tried.
It’s been like 3 years for me. Wife cheated on me and lives with her new boyfriend now and I can barely pay the bills because I have no one to split them with.
So yeah, what’s the point in even trying when most women want a guy to buy them things and I have literally 0 spare income to spend for that.
The very first time I went out to the bar and started talking to a single woman, her friend came up to me mid conversation and demanded to know what I have to offer her. Super fucking awkward and embarrassing
yo bro, regarding your wife, i just wanna say im really fucking sorry. i know what i’ve done in related situations, can’t even begin to fathom what you went through with that
Im an awkward dude, look very average, bit overweight ect. Since I turned 16 and I started actually talking to the women out of genuine interest and not just seeing women as potential partners. I quite quickly started getting in relationships with people I genuinely liked hanging out with. All it takes is being genuine.
Yeah... women hugely undervalue their influence on men. Even general social behaviour changes are influenced by being selective about who gets to have sex.
Unfortunately instead of the kind and caring male figures, women often go for the exciting more badboy types which are the guys who get the most girls anyway.
If a kind and shy guy never gets attention from women but he sees the guy who treats women like shit get heaps of attention, he'll either drop out of the race entirely or try become more like the guy getting attention, creating more men who treat women poorly.
When in the past the rule was no hookups at all and to get sex you needed to marry a woman, you had a lot more chivalrous men proposing within a month of meeting. Now you fuck on the first tinder date and take 5 years to propose (if they do, which largely only happens if the woman puts pressure on the guy to ask).
I've never done it (with a woman), but when Western society treats you like a social outcast for not being able to get laid, of course a lot of people will put it on a pedestal. For some reason if a guy is still a virgin after a certain age, people see it as a red flag. Something must be wrong with him. "What's his problem?" This only further isolates them from their peers and is why they're even more desperate to get laid.
You need new friends bro. No one I associate with would ever treat you like that for not getting laid. I have 30 year old friends who haven’t been, and no one gives a shit
"This is my experience. Surely it's universal and applies to all of society."
We see "incels" get made fun of everyday. You can try and twist it around and say "nooo we only mean Elliot Rodger and his fans that wanna repeal the 19th." But the language itself clearly states that being a virgin of a certain age or being unsuccessful with women makes you a bad and immoral person.
an incel is not just a virgin. “involuntary celibate” not because they can’t get laid, but that they can’t get laid because of their overbearing, pushy, obnoxious attitude towards women. when a man is coming on you strong and you express disinterest, and suddenly the “you’re so beautiful” turns into “you’re such a cheap fucking whore, you’re fat and ugly anyways” all because you won’t make yourself give it up to someone you’re not interested in, THEN you are labeled as an incel. let’s not twist the meaning here, cause that’s exactly what it is for women
an "incel" is whatever you decide it is at the moment you say it. people get called incels for having a disagreement with a woman. if you mean "misogynist," then say "misogynist." but then you'd use that with no consistency as well and you'd have to admit many of the men you'd consider to be misogynist do have relationships and sex with women.
personally, ive never seen someone called an incel for having a “disagreement” with a woman, unless they were acting like an incel. also, having relationships and sex with women does not disqualify you from being a misogynist.
"acting like an incel" is so vague that plenty of people will say someone is doing that when they disagree with a woman. i agree on the second point. you can have a universal hatred for women and still have sex with them. so let's stop pretending that incels don't get sex mainly because of their views, especially when a huge chunk of the people who can be classified as incels don't hate women.
“acting like an incel” may be vague to a man, but the average woman will instantly know exactly the kind of guy i’d be referring to. incels don’t get sex mainly because of their attitude. most of the time, they aren’t even virgins. but they lose a lot of chances because of the way they act. i’d argue a huge chunk of people who can be classified as incels, are exactly the type of person to hate women. i’m glad you’ve never been on the opposite side of dealing with one trying to get into your pants.
i bet "the average women" youre imagining would call a man an incel for plenty of normal disagreements. saying it's because of their attitude is unfalsifiable because you can tell an ugly 5 foot tall dude his attitude is the reason even if he's a normal guy and we all know the actual reason. you would like to imagine the people struggling with something are evil cuz the world just looks rosier that way.
lot of assumptions there, bud. i guess you just won’t ever understand. funnily enough, i just asked my boyfriend what kinda guy he’d think i was talking about if i called them an incel, and he said “i don’t know… somebody who hates women and still tries to fuck.” so idk man 🤷🏻♀️ you’re gonna have your views on it, but this conversation seems moot
Unless a man is actually repulsive (physically or psychologically), it shouldn't be that hard to get pussy. I think the big problem a lot of incels have is that they only want to sleep with women they find very attractive, while offering little of the same attractiveness in return, whether that means they're ugly inside and/or out.
Most, if not all, incels I've had the displeasure of talking to are the kind of people who shirk any and all accountability. Women see that and think "This guy's still acting like a little kid who hasn't emotionally matured at all."
That's a bigger turnoff to most women than bad BO or an ugly face.
bro just spend ten years in the Charisma Academy and then they'll treat you just like the 6'5 chad broooo its just ur not charismatic enough broooo go to a dnd game bro it totally wont just be men and already spoken for women bro just personalitymax brooo then you can overcome being a 5 foot janitor i dont care that its a societywide issue bro its literally just you as an individual brooo
I wouldn't say it the way you did, but I do think it's true that the only reason most guys put any effort at all into anything other than their primary hobbies is to be viewed as desirable.
There was definitely a point in my life where I had that internal debate over how much effort I was willing to put into my shitty job, or how much rent I was willing to pay, or how nice a car I needed to have, to be acceptable enough to date.
I think men need to change that mentality. How about just doing things for themselves and improving things without needing a woman to motivate them? Yes, women can be motivators, but I don't go to the gym or count my macros for my wife, I do it for myself. I don't stay up working on projects for my wife, I do it for myself. Yes, I can also say I do those things for my wife, but I also do it for myself.
There is a difference between finding a partner and just being horny and wanting to get off some stress.
i think fish should grow legs and breathe air so they can live with us on land. a lot of men are content to play vidya and eat nuggies, so you could argue they're living for themselves when they choose that lifestyle.
sometimes people like on surveys man. also, a lot of them are probably feeling shame about their lives that eventually goes away when you decide to NEET and coast. how is it "conforming" to choose a lifestyle that society is pretty universally against?
It's not an argument. I just don't understand where you got "riots" from. Is this what you guys call "hearing a dogwhistle"? I said maintaining the roads.
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're asking in good faith.
What dude is saying is that men, as a general rule, need motivation to do anything beyond the bare minimum required for survival. Left completely to their own devices, most men will choose the simplest, least effort path forward for any given situation, whether that's instant ramen for dinner, masturbation for your horniness, or even something as simple as leaving your walls in your home totally empty and devoid of decoration.
One of the biggest motivators for men, again as a general rule, is pussy, but even more than that, a wife and children. It gives me a reason to wake up and do something more than the bare basics in life. In my life, I would NEVER have made it to where I am in my career if I didn't have the motivating factor of my wife at home, and kids in the future. I would never have bothered to lose weight. I'd be a 400lb weirdo, terminally online, probably hating my mom because she won't let me live in her basement, and I'd have 2 roommates with the same attitude.
Without motivation to do otherwise, men simply want the simplest and easiest path to obtain their immediate goal. So when he says they "won't maintain the roads anymore" it's because no men would be motivated to work that hard when they can just do something easier to get their tendies and pay for their porn subscription.
That's not to say every single man is that way, but it is a general rule of thumb for them.
was shit tier sexist take why cant the fucking woman repair roads and the man enjoy a matcha latte after work? i dont fucking understand? matcha lattes are fantastic? do you also not like boba, is that “woman food” too? do women make bad doctors cus they’re too emotional on their period too? wtf is wrong with your sick little mind?
Well I mean if i don‘t try, answers always gonna be „no“. It‘s pretty obvious you won‘t meet a partner by sitting @ home all day and one day she rings your bell and asks u if u want to be with her.
I mean each has its own. If they are happy with not trying and staying in their room that's fine. But I'd rather be rejected than never try.
I'm 21 and I never had a girlfriend but I tried and I'm still trying, talking to people and stuff. I get demotivated too but knowing that I'm trying feels good.
And i'd rather never try than be rejected. Funny how that works out.
Not because of the tiktok meme reasons many will tell you in this reply section, but because rejection feels like actual death. I don't want to feel death.
I mean, yeah, kinda... Biologically, our entire purpose is to continue our bloodline. That's why their's so many animals/bugs that frequently/always die after birth. Because evolution doesn't give a shit about much other than passing on your genes to the next generation.
They used to call me the human dartboard. After I had a few (10+) drinks at the bars, I'd shoot my shot - some nights I'd land a 10, some nights I'd land a 2.
Fellas, it's all about increasing your alcohol consumption, lowering your standards, and continuously shooting your shot!
Yep. My current girlfriend I asked her out the very first time I met her after a short conversation. We're going on a year so far. I would ask out anybody. I liked his muscles? "Want to grab a drink sometime?" I like her hair? "Hey, we should grab a coffee!"
If they said no, then I'd go home, jerk off, and play video games. Its not like I didn't have other things I enjoyed before I met those people.
“I mean sure, the long term effects with everyone doing this might cause society to crumble, but when society doesn’t give a shit about you, why should you give a shit about society?”
!I started this out as a joking bit, but now I’m wondering how much of this is a bit?!<
Heh. Bunch of surrogate activities that do not fulfill your power process.
Real shit though, games and stuff are so instant and there’s no real work required to give you a genuine satisfaction (like working a job that has an observable impact, like as a laborer,) and combined with how our lifespans are longer, we are living more unfulfilling lives crammed with unsatisfying activities that we don’t see meeting women as preferable to games and food and porn.
If you think there's no consequences to frying your baseline dopamine requirements by indulging in infinite instant pleasure/gratification then I have some very bad news for you brother. It'll be next to impossible to form meaningful and fulfilling social connections should the opportunity ever arise or to develop better habits should you ever want to change your life around.
If you’re getting countless rejections, it’s because of some damning personality flaw you have to work on. Getting a date is stupid easy if you’re just a nice, confident person. Letting yourself be terminally online is definitely not something with zero consequences. Just look at the Kirk assassin and recent MN shooter.
I just have literally nothing to talk about. Like yeah if they want to hear about the Horus Heresy then sure, we'll talk for hours. But my god I would literally rather storm the beaches of Normandy then go on a date and sit through a "so uuuuh, what do you do for work" conversation where the other party feels zero social obligation to assist in progressing outside of one or two word non sequiturs.
I'm not entirely sure I understand your point. You have to go on a first date with someone to figure out if you like them. I don't personally feel like I have much of an issue getting to that point. my personal issue, as mentioned, is once there we're there my brain is only filled with fine dining and breathing. I was mostly being facetious about the other party dealing in non sequiturs, but I do believe that first date small talk (or just like small talk in general) while initially necessary is socially excruciating.
I suppose I take some solace from the rest of this thread in that I don't seem to be alone in feeling this way, but like holy shit man what are you even supposed to talk to strangers about? I talk to my friends about our shared interests, thats easy. But like women so frequently don't seem to have hobbies in the traditional sense and in my opinion kind of lack the innate camaraderie men seem to have with their peers. And thats not meant to be like an attack or criticism, though it is admittedly a broad generalization. Men are interested in things and women are interested in people, and I am just so genuinely disinterested in the personal lives of others. My best friend in the world and I shared a hut together in Iraq and I straight up couldn't tell you what his birthday is, I doubt he knows mine, but we both like the same kind of beer and table top games and thats enough.
suffice to say, Internet stranger that im ranting to, the issue is not so much that im dating people I dont like talking to. Its that I find the social ritual of dating, as a concept, to be unbearable.
Brother English its not my first language but i refuse to think that a person that can sneak in words like excruciating and camaraderie in a comment cant hold a convo. I cant either lol but i think you just need to find the right one with the right shared interest and you are good to go. Keep looking for it man
How are you finding these women to date without talking to them first? I’ve been on first dates with a few people, and each time it happens I already know I can converse with them. Both from dating apps and friend of a friend, I had some normal conversations before ever going on the date.
Honestly i think there are two answers to that depending on the divinity of the emperor.
1.) The Emperor despite his protests and in favor of the evidence is in fact a god. If this is the case then we can simply chalk up many of his actions to "god works in mysterious ways". Perhaps he wanted the heresy to happen and this is all some long con 4d chess move that will result in the achievement of his goals and the betterment of humanity. In this case we are ants trying to understand the ways of magnifying glasses. The true concept is beyond us, we just know it burns.
2.) The Emperor is not a god but instead just a particularly powerful warlord. This scenario comes with a lot of what ifs and in my opinion the likelihood of the heresy still seems pretty high. If big E isn't a god then hes a petty mechanical, dictatorial, evil bastard. Would not being socially retarded in addition to those other traits help? Yeah probably. At a minimum telling his sons that chaos at least existed and, "you have to resist the draw of the ruinous powers otherwise they'll destroy everything we built" would probably at least have helped. More than flat out going reddit atheist mode and telling them no gods exist period. But the reason I say the heresy still seems pretty likely is at the end of the day, we're still effectively dealing with child soldier demi gods leading legions of super humans. The best thing big E could have done was not build the primarchs to begin with. Lets say big E is a better father, he tells his sons about chaos, they all get some counseling, then what? On a long enough timeline I think Russ starts getting jealous of Horus, hes big mad they have more wolves, he thinks he should be Warmaster, maybe Tzeentch or Khorne are even in his ear, the civil war still breaks out. Or perhaps even more likely Magnus just can't help himself after hearing about an ocean of arcane knowledge out there and all you have to do is bite the apple and he becomes the first to fall. (Some might say Lorgar is one first to fall in this situation but I disagree. I think in a situation where the emperor isn't a spaz to him and he understands the nature of the universe rather than stumbling on it by accident, Lorgar is the most loyal of all of his sons. Eberus probably still falls though.)
Personally I just don't consider dating anybody who's only capable of talking about reality tv, live music and travel, but unfortunately that seems to be ruling out the majority of single women.
We all grow up oversold the actual real world compatibility of men and women. It's strange but your mental health really does benefit being in a relationship with a woman, assuming she's not crazy or a horrible person, but it's not really about finding "common ground" or "common interests".
Women generally don't have hobbies and interests that like to talk about a lot like men do. They have complex ever changing webs of relationships with people, many of whom are "frenemies" they don't really like that much, but they spend a lot of time with anyway.....
The rest of the time they mostly sit, and drink, and eat, and talk about...people. Maybe do some shopping or watch reality TV (where people bitch about their complicated relationships)
Is this generalization a pattern that is caused by the disparity between a man and woman's lifestyles, social treatment or is this something innate?
I've thought about it often. The norm is generally that women don't invest too much time into hobbies as much as men do. There are outliers of course, but it's interesting to think about why exactly this occurs.
Man that sucks, only advice I can give here is maybe just trying out more expensive media and stuff you don't normally think about, could find some cool gems and give bit more conversation starters, or maybe talk about what you are passionate about more, like your working field, or cool facts.
1 in 4 women in the US have experienced completed or attempted rape in their lifetime…
so it’s understandable why someone might be so afraid of being left alone with a male stranger if the probability is so high, that even being with a literal bear seems safer.
And to count these valid worries as dumbfounded ideas while generalizing saying women have become crazy, mean and egotistical is simply incel behavior, of which this comment section is full of.
Got a lot of rejection earlier in my life, I've given up now.. I respect myself more than the "walking on eggshells/satisfying insane demands" that apparently is what gets expected on the dating scene.
I'm now chronically ill, so I understand the current rejections..that has been different earlier, but I never had a girlfriend after my 'highschool sweetheart'.
TL;DR: Dating always has sucked. If you don't want children, there is no point to bow to the societal pressure.
Nah online dating apps have made dating FAR worse. Men outnumber women on apps like 3:1 so they get shit tons of likes, inflating their ego. Out of her pile of likes she matches with a few and start a few discussions until she matches with a disinterested fuckboy that puts in minimal effort, who she then ghost all other matches in favor of. She sleeps with fuckboy on the first date, who then ghosts her to move onto his next one night stand. Then she makes a post asking "what happened to chivalry?", "why do men only want sex?", "why do men lie about wanting long term?", "why are men not interested in actual conversations?", "why does this keep happening to me?", etc.
Basically, women are presented with all the choices and given the ability to dictate the every step of the dating process, yet consistently make the wrong choice by repeatedly choosing the few guys who have hundreds of options.
This sort of oversimplified reasoning has existed for decades - far longer than male-dominated dating apps have been around. Is dating harder now than it was before? Absolutely, without a single doubt. Do men who aren't in the top 1% of dating apps still go on dates/have relationships? Definitely. Go to your local mall or grocery store and you'll see guys with girlfriends or wives while also being poor, ugly, short, anything that the alpha male podcasts will tell you is a death wish. Are their girlfriends/wives a 10/10 gigaStacy? Probably not, but we either play with the cards we've been given, or we quit.
That is an invalid generalization IMO. "They" are half of all humans, so blaming them (or dating apps/the times we live in) as a whole is too easy.
My brother is twenty years my senior, Mom said he complained the same as me in the early nineties about "impossibly high standards" from women, before the internet really took off..
Everyone has their baggage, I and my ex-girlfriend included. The time to have children is over for me, for others as well I think.. I could not deal with the problems of my ex eleven years ago, she could not deal with mine, so I ended the relationship.
Today, there are other things in life than empty gratification/family IMO, but it is rare that anybody gets that.
damn. pretty much same. i feel for ya because thats my life. last real thing was a relationship ended by her cheating after influence from some extremely slutty friends that washed 3 years with a planned future down the drain. since then I've tried or got tired of it then rinse repeat. within the past 5 years i only had an extremely pathetic LDR that was entirely on false pretenses (i was the other guy) and I developed an illness thats probably going to see me out of this world.
My biological clock screams at me to find a partner but its just not reasonable or possible. Now though, even if I wanted to the amount of effort it takes to feel well enough to try is getting too hard. At a time when a partner would provide some small measure of peace, I know that my chances of finding anyone worth a damn is basically nil.
And pumped up to think they are all hot shit. Last night at the bar I overheard "I remember when a 5 knew she was a 5 and you could actually have a chance to talk with her, now they're all 10s and too good for you"
some kind of giga heterosexual? In this day and age? When I said that, I was thinking about the requirements that a woman must have to look good vs the requirements for a dude. As a dude if you dare to be short or bald you're instantly less attractive, then if your face is kinda average, you're basically trash. A woman will not really get confronted with such issues cuz being short isn't an issue for them, being bald is very unlikely as a woman, compared to dudes anyway and then you can have like, some bad genetics for weight but you can definitely find a balance in your diet most of time + workouts and you get to look better and be healthier too
I think the problem is two fold, lots of men swipe right on everyone, giving inflated senses of value to women who, in turn, become increasingly selective and then the cycle continues ad nauseum
Yikes. "If you loved me" is never followed up by anything good.
I once dated a girl who suddenly got into OF, which would have not bothered me, but she invited me to the stream, then proceeded to cuck me to an audience of hundreds of people. Used my name and everything.
Yeah fam, things are dark in the world. Best thing to do is try to brighten it up a bit. Kindness and whimsy help people remember that life is actually worth it.
you have no idea how bad it is. i live in a bit more conservative country (croatia) and ive witnessed this twice, where a guys life (almost) gets turned upside down
doesnt matter if it was consensual, if she regrets it enough or starts hating the guy enough, she can say whatever she wants
thankfully both are not imprisoned because one of those girls had told wildly different stories to different groups of friends, and the other, while drunk, has tried to physically force ME to sleep with her half an hour before another guy… “jumped in”, along with some other circumstantial evidence
but just imagine how many times this happened to guys where there is no evidence of either side and the girl is not so dumb
We are absolutely approaching an era where if the majority of women want a relationship, they'll have to be the ones to make the first move. Which, personally speaking, I don't have an issue with.
from what ive heard, having to do that is such a huge ick to even some of the most liberal women out there. im pretty sure theyd rather have us all die out than to “sink that low”, understandably, because the fact of how demeaning and horrible it must feel to finally build up the courage to ask a girl out, just to be shot down with an “ew” or something, is very pushed under the rug
Many of these women (not all) are hybristophiliacs. You have the case of Wade Wilson, who literally murdered women for fun, yet you had an army of women drooling over him.
It is both ironic and unfair that these same women consider those criminals or people who tend to exercise evil towards others as a good reliable match; while the average quiet, hard working men label them a "stalker and rapist".
You really gonna pretend like creepy men are some sort of rarity or something? Unfortunately I’m sure many of them are trying their best not to be, and their social skills just aren’t great. But there are absolutely plenty dudes that prey on women, especially out in a bar setting.
I’ve never felt personally attacked anytime I hear a woman complaining about creepy men because I don’t believe I’d fall into that category. If you feel like it’s impacting your opportunities then you should be more upset with the guys causing women to feel that way.
Creepy sometimes depends on their standards of attractiveness, some women have a lower standard, some have a much higher one, I’m assuming most dudes that aren’t 100% confident in their looks aren’t gonna wanna risk talking to a woman because she could end up think they’re creepy.
If only they actually listened to what the women were saying when they want to be left alone or to not be creepy. They want to be left alone when they’re just doing their job and are forced to smile at you to earn a living or when they’re getting catcalled by creepy dudes just for walking down the street and they don’t want to be dealing with strangers that immediately turn a situation sexual or send dick pics by the hundreds.
They obviously don’t mean when they’re at a dating event specifically for dating, if you actually listened to them even once, you’d know that.
I'm pretty sure they're talking about casual social situations like bars. Happened to me this year with a now former friend on new years. We were all really drunk and she, who told us she had recently broken up with her partner, and I danced on the dance floor for about twenty minutes happily, then grinded on each other for, like, ten seconds. I asked her if she was okay twice and she said both times explicitly "yes" and we were fine the rest of the night.
She got back with her partner the next day and slandered me to our mutual friends saying that I was being forceful and creepy toward her. When asked for any context, knowing I'm not like that at all, she got mad and refused to answer. She broke up again with her partner a couple months later, and we haven't spoken since.
Huge chunks aren't actually. Weirdly it seems a whole lot of the fake reports which outnumber the real ones get through, while the real ones where women are actually harmed don't get through, and those assholes and pieces of shit that cause this don't face any consequences.
I think the system is just shit
No arguments there. The system is stacked against women who are assaulted - it’s a terrifying time to be a woman. Not just in this case, you can hardly get taken seriously in medicine too as a woman. My wife had gallbladder stones and serious pain from them, and the first doc she went to see blamed it on emotions from her period. I was fucking aghast when she came out of the docs office crying. I had half a mind to march in there with some choice words… needless to say she went and found a new (female) doctor who properly diagnosed her and is doing great now. But it’s tough out there!
A friend of mine said he went on a date recently and was talking about this with the woman he met with. She was apparently shocked to hear this, and that false reports happen and how roughly guys get fucked over from it. She thought it was just some Hollywood trope. But nah man, I know two guys personally that got absolutely fucked by false reports despite no evidence beyond a lady saying a thing they both got convictions and are now destitute. It's absolutely terrifying.
Went thru it myself. Psychopathic ex falsely accused me of all kinds of shit. 25k in legal fees to DISPROVE her allegations of ZERO evidence other than a manipulative story she wove. Even my female attorney was buying into some of her more bullshit innocuous claims I told her I didn't do ahead of time (ex said i got caught with booze while trying to be sober, while I hadn't had a drop in a year, was super proud of, which my ex knew but used to twist the knife- my attorney said it wasnt criminal to have a couple drinks, instead of understanding everything my ex was saying was completely fabricated). It sucks going thru it, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Been about a year now since it started, and thankfully most of the legal bullshit is over, aside from trying to recoup a tiny fraction of the money I spent on lawyers. I am having a really hard time even fathominy getting back into dating knowing that anyone, at anytime, with a made up story or a highly twisted narrative can absolutely derail or end someone's life.
Women need to pile on false accusers and rip them to shreds instead of this "believe all women" non-sense, bc it completely fucks over actual victims horribly. Repurcussions for false accusstions should be proportional to the accused crime and cops should tear the fuck into people who try and abuse the legal system. But, itll never happen. It's disgusting.
Yeah, what a shitty system. How can it just let something so obviously fake slip through and shit on some innocent dudes life yet not help any actual fucking victims, so many women do got these bad experiences yet so many don't have any justice.
Absolutely agree people need to face harsh repercussions for false accusations. One of those guys was a single father, how two daughters are now foster children. That woman deserves hell for fucking not only his life up, but they're as well.
I'm glad to hear you got out of it but damn I'm sorry that happened to you. What a hellish thing for someone to do.
I appreciate it. I'd be lying if I said it didn't solidly fuck me up a bit lol. But I'm much better now, taking it day by day. My condolences to your buddy. Hopefully he can get his kids back one day and they understand what happened was bullshit. They don't deserve all that.
No matter how much the internet insists otherwise, the statistics show that far more sexual harassment/assault goes unreported than there are false reports. I’ve known a few women who’ve gotten absolutely fucked by men who wouldn’t take no for an answer, including one who lost her job for “not being a team player”. You don’t really realize how prevalent it is until you realize that every girl you hang out with has at least one story of being unable to do anything about being sexually harassed.
Whataboutism at its finest. What you described wasn't really talked about now was it?
Of course women get abused and it is good that they can report that, but that is not the problem, the problem are the people who abuse the system and just give false claims. They aren't that many, but they exist.
You’re just using whataboutism like a gotcha buzzword, valid incidents of sexual harassment is incredibly relevant to false reports of sexual harassment. In fact, by comparing and contrasting both issues, you can easily identify the root of the problem, which is social leverage.
In order for a report to be taken seriously, a woman needs to have a certain amount of social leverage, which can be in the form of group support or an outstanding reputation.
Similarly, a man can easily avoid false (or unfortunately valid) accusations with enough social leverage.
Hence the best way for both sides to address the issue is through the same means: building up their social leverage. So isolated loners have a far greater risk than people who build a rapport and reputation with their peers.
However, you try telling a lonely man that he needs to go out and talk to more people, and he’ll throw the potential for false reports in your face. It’s a chicken and egg situation perpetuated by people who insist men are helpless and can’t do anything. Men have had the leverage in this discussion for 10,000 years, just because the dynamic has shifted a little bit in more progressive communities doesn’t mean that innate leverage is suddenly gone. The system still does more than enough to protect men.
Not really. I like your thought, but it is just false. Reports about abuse get taken wayyyy more seriously if done to a woman.
If a woman reports that she has been abused, it will normally be sided with the woman, and that is the right thing, but this way they can just lie about the incident. I could now talk about how abuse against men isn't taken seriously, but that is another topic. The thing is that it has nothing to do with social leverage. Your friends can't do shit for you if your girlfriend says you hit her and no one will question it too much because you are the one in a thousand that got fucked over, but surely you aren't that unlucky and are likely the abuser. Sure men have and had leverage in a lot of things in society, but that doesn't justify going in the complete opposite direction.
And you can't really say men have the leverage when everything relationship related infront of the court is normally decided to the better of the woman.
I agree that is a major problem that desperately needs correcting, but I'm feeling obligated to point out that this is not the topic at hand and can serve to discredit the discussion of men facing unjust convictions.
You bring up an important point but I do not believe the previous commenter made any claims to fake reports outnumbering unreported incidents. Both his observation and your own are likely true.
Anecdotally, I absolutely agree that most men are worried about these things when they are in the dating phase.
In that exact same logic, I had s bunch of people arguing with me on this same sub about that meme with the girls friend that interrupts her when she says yes to a drink from a guy. Everyone said that a girl is afraid to tell a guy no because he might get angry or violent.
Truth is I agree with you to some extent, you still gotta go about your life despite the risks. But there's a bunch of reasons why I think guys aren't approaching anymore. For one thing, it's fucking hard. I don't ever hear women acknowledge how hard it is to put yourself out there for rejection, especially with strangers. It's hard as hell, so it isn't going to take much to talk us out of it.
On top of that, there has been a culture around shitting on men. Major media will do it openly. I'm not saying there aren't real issues like the metoo movement, but it's gotten too far. Openly hating men has gotten way too accepted, all you have to do is read any comments on a post like this one.
One more thing, I've seen quite a lot of posts complaining about how men aren't approaching as much anymore, and I don't think even one of them has had the idea that maybe women should try to come halfway a little. The idea that the burden be on anyone but the men is too absurd that women would rather make videos complaining then even trying to just start a conversation with a man.
If we're talking about a non-culture war answer. It's a combination of the following factors, some of which are self-perpetuating loops:
Decline in social skills due to internet + Decline in skills due to decline of third spaces
Decline of third spaces stemming from economic slowdown compared to the 00s and 10s + hence the few remaining third spaces are more expensive, due to them running at a premium. This means both fewer places to practice social skills, hence, inferring a decrease in positive social outcomes that lead to 'dating', as well as fewer actual places to meet people of the opposite sex, hence, a reduced dating pool.
Atomisation -> It's very easy to fall into patterns where we're only exposed to people who share our interests. However, due to a combination of social and biological factors, obviously some hobbies are going to be male dominated, and some hobbies are going to be female dominated.
E.g. this is why for example, a hypothetical woman who goes out to spin class every week, yoga, cafes, may constantly be "out", but the number of men who the hypothetical woman might meet could be in the single digits, if that's what the demographics of her personal social landscape dictates. You can do the inverse and replace 'woman' with 'man', and you get the same results.
In contrast, looking at the couples that do still meet outside OLD, you can see a clear pattern of third spaces such as church, university/highschool, as the latter two are often some of the last places where most people will be around lots of single people their age.
Online dating gaining a plurality in the dating market (more than 70% of couples met online) combined with OLD regressing in actual effectiveness -> It's just not a pleasant experience for anyone involved, because the economic model OLD apps use to maximise profit doesn't also maximise coupling
Social attitudes are still very much antiquated. This is the only vaguely "culture war" point, and it's not due to "ze evil MRAs/feminists". But consider this:
Men are generally expected to make the first move across most cultures where this is commonly an issue
Dating expectations are still rooted in attitudes that grew from the 90s/00s era of prosperity. E.g. paying for dinner first dates are a common ask seen in OLD. (Not a moral judgement, this is just reality)
Men are increasingly falling behind on job metrics, or rather, if we're being positive, women are outcompeting men.
However you dress this, this means in the dating world, the first move, due to the above factors, is costly for men as initiator, in a time when men have less capacity for costly adventures. I am also going to mention navigating shifting acceptable social behaviours is an increasingly difficult task, given aforementioned decrease in how socialised people are.
Me personally, even as someone earning decent money in a large city, economic conditions have made me wary and fiscally conservative (I try to put about 2/3s of my post rent salary in stocks/tax shielded savings accounts/misc saving accounts). My work and hobbies are very male dominated, and that's fine. I've made my peace with that. I don't expect a partner to fall into my lap. So I see dating as something I have to actively allocate time and money into, so I pick and choose when I engage with it, and often, that's just not a lot of the year at this stage in life.
How do I improve my vocabulary and expression so it goes from "I can talk in English" to "I can express myself like in this post" ? (Note: I'm not a native English speaker)
Read newspapers like the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and the Atlantic. You don’t have to agree with them, thats not the point. They are written to the early high school (15 year old) reading level for accessibility so they will write like people actually express themselves irl.
Message boards like reddit, 4chan, and twitter will write by schizophrenics trying to make a tagline or an inside joke that only their in-group will understand. It’s great for learning the basics of a language but terrible for actual everyday use.
The best way to learn cadence and the intangibles of a language is to watch quality TV and movies. NOT marvel movies or other internet style writing like New Girl that sound like a 2013 reddit threads. Podcast are also useful for how normal people talk in everyday situations, just pick a good one lol
As someone who learned a new language as an adult I know it’s a pain in the ass to get over that last hurdle of expressing yourself eloquently. Immersion and necessity is the only true way, best of luck
The atomization is a massive factor that I don't think most people are aware of. I went to a yoga class with my wife, and it was 70% single hotties. Never even crossed my mind that there's that many hot singles in my area.
Theres a problem with the yoga classes full of hotties. If you go there with the intention of dating, you would instantly be labled a creep who just wants to hit on people. Also i have the agility of an easter island head
Exactly, some women have explicitly stated to NOT hit on them at the gym / yoga as they are just there for a workout, which is totally reasonable. Problem is you don’t know who is or isn’t approachable until you risk asking in the first place. You can try to lean on body language or social cues, but no one can be 100% correct all the time.
So it can make the “find hobbies and meet women” strategy tough to execute.
The personal reason you gave is likely the primary reason.
50 percent of all discretionary spending is made by the top 10 percent in the us, and the bottom 40 percent basically don't have any money left over after necessary expenditures like rent, health insurance and debt. That's 40% of people.
Now add in the fact that men are likely to be less well socialized and more suspicious of strangers and I think this explains it entirely, with the other reasons being secondary or supplemental. The men simply don't believe that they can add much to the women's lives, which is not true because companionship with a considerate, like-minded, attractive compatriot can make an otherwise bleak life worth living, for both sexes.
I think that age also plays a large factor, majority of decent women are coupled off by early 20's and if you miss that wagon, your odds of relationship success fall off a cliff.
I don't know about that. That either assumes that there are a significantly higher number "decent men" than "decent women", or that "decent women" are taken by "bad men", in which case, I wouldn't really categorise them as decent, because they lack self awareness to judge good partners.
It depends a lot on where you live. I'm 26, and most of my male friends are single, while every woman my friends and family know are married or getting married. I was in an abusive relationship most of college, which was also during COVID, so I totally missed that wagon and now I have no idea what to do. You almost never see any single women around here, there are hardly any women on dating apps but thousands of men, according to my sister - I think it depends on where you are.
I'm a in a medium sized city that could be seen as moderately conservative in climate, as well as having a local university that's very good for engineering and med. If you're a 20 year old woman and can get with a guy who will be making $60,000 a year minimum the day he graduates, why wouldn't you want to do that and be set for life?
Either you get lucky with a confluence of events, you chase nonstop and waste thousands of dollars on dozens of women to try to find the needle in the haystack, or you just live with it, accepting that a relationship might not actually be something that you should expect to have.
Social media, podcasts, YouTube are all rife with women strongly preferring that a man make $100k+ before they would even consider going on a date with him, majority of men do not make this much, hence feel inadequate or that they are pre rejected. Also getting denied can feel quite bad depending on how it happens and it’s a bad feeling we seek to avoid. I’ve been denied in some pretty painful ways before. I’ve also gotten tons of pussy so I have no idea what women actually want.
How do they even know how much someone makes? I make 165k but drive a beat up corolla lol, unless they're asking after swiping how would they possibly know who makes 6 figs
LOL he must be giving you the works, you don’t even remember him administering the anesthesia?
The trauma combined with retrograde amnesia from the drugs mean you are probably having more dentist appointments than you know about, glad you can at least remember 2/3 of them. He must like you. Sorry that your poops have been different.
Have you seen the security footage of when they put you under? Do they not have cameras inside the room because of HIPPA, or was HIPPA invented so doctors can molest you without leaving behind evidence?
Women complaining about men not approaching anymore is usually speaking out of their experience. It could just be the way the post was cropped, but when there's a supposed statistic at the top, it gives off the impression that the rest of the points are meant to be taken as fact.
That's kinda my point, you would think that this sub would not attract people who take issue with the stuff posted on 4chan, but that actually seems to be the majority. Most posts I see on here tend to be people saying how the poster is wrong or even stupid, and I think they actually prefer that there will be no defense or rebuttal given
Precisely. 45% of young men surveyed via the internet by this company trying to prove a specific point indicate they aren't asking women out in person. Surely we can extract meaningful data from this!
I recently asked out a cashier at a grocery store that had been flirting with me for months, just to go on a walk and chat around the area. We are in the same league in attractiveness and it's always been fun banter, and it seemed like she was waiting on me to make the next move. She agreed, said come back later and we can go, so I did and she said she had something come up, but she will text me tomorrow. Never heard from her again, wont look at me at the store now, and I'm trying not to go often so I'm not creepy I guess. I was about as confident as I could be going into it, and am extremely confused now. I can see how going to an event with that type of interaction happening over and over again could be something people wouldn't want to expose themselves to.
you make a good point here in that you don't even know what went sideways, so you can't use it as a learning experience and change things for a next time. it's immensely frustrating to not even be able to get feedback
And the amount of time I spent until I was as sure as I could get before trying was significant. I wouldn't have continued if I felt any one was uncomfortable and consenting to the attention, making sure it was reciprocal, etc. And I would have taken 'No, I'm not interested in anything personal' and would have been happy to move along. Now I'm just more lost than anything.
every speed dating event i went to contained women that were exclusively 40 and up. i would normally not have an issue with that but at the time i was looking for someone to date not to fuck
"Don't teach a man to fish. It wastes your time and fishing is not that hard." - Ron Swanson.
If you want sex, actually seek a relationship with a woman. If you don't want a relationship with a woman but still want sex try men because your probably gay.
When I was single, there were usually more dudes than chicks at speed dating events. I only went to a few of them though.
I met my girlfriend of almost three years at one, and we're planning to live together soon 😌.
I say this though, but ive had some good success when hanging out at bars when I was single. Usually im not looking to get laid, and most of the time I didnt. But every once in a while you meet someone thats into you.
I think the issue has multiple prongs, honestly. One major issue is men have an expectation that they'll get laid if they hit up a club or bar. Tons of movies and TV shows told me that its a guaranteed way of getting laid when I was a teen, that I legitimately thought it would happen that way. Turning 21 was an eye opener when it wasnt.
The next is social media and the internet has simply rotted some people's brains. Some people dont even know how to talk in person any more because our conversations happen mostly online now.
Lastly, and I think this has been an issue thats been going on forever, is, men lie. A lot of guys will brag about all the sex they've had and women they've been with. It makes other men feel inadequate and give up on trying entirely.
Im an internet stranger, and theres no way you would know if I was being truthful when I told you ive had plenty of sex with women I met at bars or going out. Its literally "trust me bro". But I could go out and tell enough people that at least a few guys will feel inadequate and give up on trying to have sex, and opt for quick and fast dopamine.
Hypergamy. In other words, they're doing just fine. Most raised their standards on how attractive (and most importantly, tall) a man needs to be to an unrealistic degree because they have nigh infinite options nowadays thanks to the internet
The relationship Anhedonia of the young fellow's is truly sad. 18 years old boys don't even chase girls anymore.. They just checked out. Can we blame them tho ?
The last time I asked a girl out irl, I got shit for doing it.
Left my number on her receipt after she served me at a restaurant and her friends texted my brother (mutuals) to tell him to tell me that it’s inappropriate to ask someone out while they’re at work lmao
Making your entire self worth and motivation dependent on validation by someone else sounds like a fucked up way to live your life. I don’t think that’s a very healthy mindset to have tbh.
this is where the complaining starts when you develop this mindset. Rejection is a part of life unfortunately. I got to the point where it felt like dating apps were like job applications. When all you do is focus on trying to match with people, you are going to lose yourself. It's important to focus on yourself above all else.
True, but it's a crushing feeling to were never good enough to be in a relationship with... Humans aren't meant to be alone and getting rejected all your life is one big red flag if you tell that on a date. It creates a negative feedback loop on your self worth.
At work? Hope you work at mcD or something cause that might get your reputation on a decline and you might be on your way out if the HR gets a whiff of this
It simply isn't in your best interest. You date to check compatibility. What happens after a month and you guys realise you can't stand each other?
Gonna switch departments then? You unnecessarily bring tension into a place where you should be earning not stressing.
what’s interesting is that i never really had trouble with that in my home country. it’s just american women that seem to be really difficult to get for no reason
How many bad chapters before we call it quits tho?
Hell, my life isn't even that bad right now, but I've struggled so much with mental health in the past that I know one day I'm going to end up as another "service-member kills themselves" statistic. It's always at the back of my mind, and nobody can stay strong forever. Eventually every stone erodes away.
Bro I felt like this for like a decade. Around like 16ish to 26ish, especially in my 20's, I was so depressed. I thought about an heroing pretty much every day but didn't because it would hurt my family and I have exotic lizards that other people couldn't/wouldn't be able to take care of.
Then around age 27 or so, poof it went away. Stopped taking SSRI's a few months later. Nothing in my life changed, I just somehow wasn't sad anymore. Now I'm so happy most of the time. Pretty much every day is a good day.
I took a lot of psychedelics (mostly LSD), still do every once and a while, I think that was the catalyst that made me better. Psychs can allow different areas of your brain to connect that otherwise wouldn't, they form new neural pathways.
I think it just made me realize I don't need to feel sad, and that feeling sad is dumb. Of course there are things that can make you sad, but feeling sad all the time is fuckin dumb and my brain refuses to do that any longer.
I also found a strong love for PSG, the football club. I watched them before then sporadically but I started following them closely and watching every game around age 26/27 (I'm 29 now). Gave me something to look forward to pretty much every week.
Oh I didn't realize you were still in the military. It might not have been the psychs though, maybe I just got better?
Idk but I'm just saying its definitely possible. The same thing could very well happen to you too.
Also, just saying LSD doesn't show up on standard 5 or 10 panel drug tests and needs a specialized test. Also if one of these tests were done, it only is present in urine for 5 days or less. Not recommending it given your job, but just saying!
i spent like 4 months this summer trying to build my confidence up and make choices that would be conducive to a healthy mindset just to have it all dashed in like 30 minutes last night and i've never felt worse. i feel you man i can't keep going through these cycles it just hurts so bad
What were you building in those 4 months, a house of cards?
I’m not a fan of these manosphere con artists like Tate or JPeterson, but one good thing these fuckheads have done is convince men that validation comes from within. Of course, men could also learn that from actually wise philosophers and not these grifters preying on lonely men.
If you build all your self-worth on the approval of others, you’re handing all the power and control to strangers who don’t give a shit about you. Yeah, external factors matter, but if you know your own objective value, then the subjective opinions of others can’t ever tear you down.
all excellent points, i can't deny the logic. i have been trying to work on learning my own self worth, and i honestly had thought i was doing a semi-decent job until last night. i do have a therapist who has been helping me so i'm hoping how i'm feeling this morning - raw and hurt - is just a momentary dip on an otherwise consistent upward trend
Hey man, I know how you feel. It sucks super hard to feel like you've lost lots of progress like that, but the truth is you never really lose it. It's foundation level work you're doing.
Also just want to say your self worth is inherent, you don't have to earn it you are good enough by the very essence of your being. Having gone through similar struggles I really recommend giving meditation a try. Just 15 minutes a day of focusing on your breath works wonders doesn't have to be fancy
I recommend that you talk to a counselor about developing some changes to how you react to things. I had the same mindset a long time ago and it was terrible. Now, with some techniques, i respond to adversity better. Their is CBT, CDT and breathing and thought techniques that can help. I hope this helps you, i really do. I've never been happier in my life and I'm tangled up in a nasty business situation with Friends and family that's hurtful.
I gain literally nothing out of a relationship. Maybe it's like you can only miss what you've experienced or something? Or maybe people are scared of dying alone?
I can do literally everything by myself or via friends. If you're horny jerk off or if you're lonely get a pet.
You absolutely CAN miss what you never had if you're exposed to it enough. I stopped consuming media that has themes of romance in it because it just makes me so goddamn depressed that i never got to and probably will never get to experience something like that. Hell, i even gradually stopped talking to married friends for that reason. It's like a constant reminder of your failures
Oof, WIS is the better stat for anything involving other people. “This guy makes a lot of good decisions” is way better than “this guy knows how to perform a laryngextomy on a duck.
I personally haven't met many people that make wise decisions, it's not a factor for social success lol. You just gotta be likeable, and that doesn't need to go hand in hand with wisdom
Not to mention unless you're hot or she's actively seeking, you're likely to be another "ew thus creep walked up to me when I was minding my business" ick.
I'm tired of all the silly stupid games. At this point going caveman and using a rock seems like the healthier alternative
Mutual friends is definitely the best way to meet people, and if they get along with your friend odds are pretty good you will get along with them also
i feel like bars are kind of "old fashioned" with newer generations. what do i talk about with people whose only common interest so far is having bought a beer?.
clubs and speed dating are a mixed bag. speed dating becomes very "who can look the hottest in 3 minutes despite being an absolute piece of shit" and clubs are a mix of "do i even have anything in common with those people" and "everyone is trying to get laid, ON TOP of people who actually just wanna dance and let loose, likely, with their friends.
in terms of meeting new people and forming anything between casual and very deep friendships, i had the most luck with going to gatherings for people of a specific niche. if the club has a theme night where they only play jazz, and you like jazz, you will find more like minded people than just going on any random night. going to a convention also has higher odds of just finding people who like the thing you like, depending on your interests of course.
i feel like you gotta focus more on finding "your" people, rather than "people". 90% of people you meet will not be what you look for in a partner, or maybe even in a friend. dont widen your net, tighten it
The niche thing only works in places with a huge population.
I've lived the last 18 years in a town with 10k people. 99% of people have exactly the same cookie cutter "personality", and the 1% that don't aren't into me. I'm lucky enough I found a FEW friends I fw, I could never fathom finding a woman I genuinely fw over here.
But that's the thing, I've been to a lot of concerts and conventions (since I hate bars and clubs even though this town is known for it) and no girl is looking to talk to another person let alone about dating they just want to be cosplaying and shopping or listening to music without having guys asking them out. It is super hard nowadays since girls control who and how the interaction goes and now with social media now guys must meet many criteria than just having a job like our grandparents only had to do. Now Bill from Canada DM'd wants to fly out the girl you were interested in, what, don't have money to go on a trip to Canada? Just lost the girl, is the game that we have to play today.
I have an active social life, workout four days a week, and pretty much all the hobby hangouts around here closed with COVID, or only other lonely guys go to them
I asked my first girl out the other night and she said yes! We had dinner and it went great. Few days later she tells me she isnt ready for a relationship. Finding a girl who's single and interested enough to go out is next to impossible. Glad I had the experience though
If I had to guess then I would say that it's getting more expensive to go to clubs and bars, and men are usually expected to pay for drinks or meals, since everyone is broke you just don't see men at bars or clubs as much as you used to. I'm sure there's some other reasons but I think this is the biggest one.
Most speed dating meetups I've heard (I've never actually looked them up because I'm not interested) the men have to pay but the women get in for free? What self respecting man is gonna pay to get rejected?
Same with bars: what man is gonna pay for a woman's drink for a halfassed thank you and not even a crumb of action?
Dunno where you are, but in the UK at least, pricing is equalised, and women's tickets sell out before men. Male tickets often don't even get sold out.
Not saying that dating pool is necessarily good per se. Given the higher entry they might have higher expectations like height/wealth/etc, but surface level at least, there's more women at these than men.
I dunno which b*tch downvoted me for literally just saying what I see, but this is the main one I've been wanting to go to but I've not had the time yet:
I was skeptical but I looked it up and yeah, the female tickets sell out more often than the male ones.
I think they’re in practice less of a singles night and more of a party with their girlfriends. Also since any sexuality is allowed I assume there are some LGBTQ people there.
Also the prices are fair. I assume that any drinks they serve will be marked up a lot though
As an American who lived in the UK for a couple of years, I find women are much more receptive than American women. Maybe because it was because I was young, or they liked the accent, but I could walk into a pub and find a woman.
I'm gonna bite the bait on this one but that's stupid...
Reminds me of my university's gym, which has women-only hours. I understand women's-only spaces especially because of the nasty things some men do, but it's just plain ridiculous if you're making the space exclusive to one gender for 2 hours of the day, when men and women have co-existed in the gym peacefully. I'm probably just really angry because it happened to line up with some free time before a lecture
Probably have an entry fee to reduce the number of men willing to go, if it was free there'd be more men and they'd be outnumbering the women a lot more significantly I'd imagine
A fairly large percentage of men are broker than you may expect and lack the life skills / experience to move forward.
50 percent of all discretionary spending is done by the top 10 percent in the us, and the bottom 40 percent basically don't have any money left over at all after necessary expenditures like rent, health insurance and debt. That's 40% of people in the us.
Now add in the fact that men are less likely to be well socialized and are more suspicious of strangers and I think this explains it entirely, with the other reasons being secondary or supplemental. The men simply don't believe that they can add much to women's lives, which is not true because companionship with a considerate, like-minded, attractive compatriot can make an otherwise bleak life worth living, for both sexes.
I do think that a lack of social / life skills is to blame though. With proper life skills or experience, one would know not to count ones self out before being rejected, and give ones self a chance, and also they would know from experience engaging with the unfamiliar that usually things are not as bad as one may think.
The problem with an easy life is that people lack opportunities to find out what surviving difficulty feels like. It's the surviving that gives us confidence. If you can handle some really difficult stuff, talking to strange girls who may throw rumors is a breeze! Confidence (the feeling of) doesn't come from being sure of victory, it comes from knowing that you can survive defeat.
Still, I don't think most people know what the actual figures are, according to our own govt. Knowing the figures explains a lot, and it may cause people to take more chances. If they expect that everyone else is doing well then they may not engage. If they know that 40 percent of people are struggling then hey why not combine resources and struggle less together?
Its a little discouraging, ghosting is a big problem with girls my age. Its hard to keep asking out girls when you go on a date, things seem to be going well, she even hugs me and says we should go out again soon, and then ghosts me. How am I even meant to know what I did wrong? Its a really shitty thing to do, I wouldn't do it.
I never even got that far. I can't take talking to someone, seemingly getting along, then they stop responding. Then everyone's advice is just, "Don't take it so personal man." I'm not built that way, I can't just forget people that easily and it was really taking a toll on me. Ive since deleted my accounts on dating apps and actually do feel better, but what do I do now?
Personally? I've just been trying to make my peace with being alone. I've not got enough going for me that I'm desirable to anyone I'd be interested in dating anyway, but maybe that's just the side of me that's given up talking.
She just picked another out of her lineup out of one hundred you weren't even top ten to be considered it's not personal women just have nigh infinite choices they don't waste effort on those they consider lesser
Some sociologists chalk it down to a reduction of drinking culture. That Kurzgesagt video about alcohol really shed some light on what sociologists are saying this
Speed Dating is one of the worst places to date people because it attracts the worst people. If you want to get to know people, and you think the clubs are dying, host your own public parties. People want to dance and to socialize, they just don't want to pay 20€ for an entrance fee plus drinks. Its hard work to host own events, but its so worth it for socializing and networking alone.
Women have no problem initiating with the guys they really want, so if you ain't that guy, why would you try to prove your worth to someone who isn't attracted to you?
There's a whole community dedicated to dead bedrooms, then there's divorce, nagging, cheating, raising another man's baby...
You mustn't try to force it if you ain't it. It's plainly stupid.
This entire comment section is chronically online people complaining that they can't get a normal woman. Yea, why would they want you lol. Go play kickball, join a hiking group, write and look for meetups with fellow writers in your city, anything but sit at your computer all day. Live life and be happy, not decay and be miserable.
That’s so weird because I had great success dating for my whole life. Maybe the problem is you. Maybe you should look inward with honesty and figure out how to improve yourself. It sounds like sane women are avoiding you - I wonder why that is.
It could be both. I don’t think it’s realistic to place blame 100% on either party. Do I think women have an easier time selecting for the top 10% of men in society? Yes. Do I think a lot of unselected men don’t self reflect enough about their own shortcomings? Yes.
Humans really haven’t adapted quick enough to properly coexist with social media and the internet, and a lot of men (including myself) just ain’t long for this dating environment.
What did I say that suggested I’m an incel? I blatantly said that it’s not fair to blame either gender as both can be at fault in different situations. Literally the most neutral take anyone can have. lol.
They're exactly as insane at any time as society lets them be.
A century ago you had churches and rigid standards of behavior enforced by the community. Their "reputation" was everything and they worked hard to preserve it. Now everything is social media and the last popular TikTok of a self-obsessed psycho screaming into her phone about something some guy did or didn't do and demanding more free shit from men and an easier life for herself, sets the new low bar for women. Ever ratcheting downward.
ngl I hate church it's boring af but only the Magic Sky People can make women stop being crazy(?) because all they care about are their ever-in-flux constantly flowing social relationships and position in a complex hierarchy of some made up community. It's exhausting
The problem is, humans can't handle power over others. The middle aged patriarchs who run those communities start kicking out young men for any excuse and hoarding multiple underage "brides" for themselves. Make no mistake, if average women cared about dick that much female religious leaders would try to set up their own young buck harems too.
Basically nobody has ever been able to solve the crazy woman problem. Even the old Sky People con only partially works.
I don’t go to bars and clubs because I don’t drink. Speed dating is weird as fuck, I usually just meet women through tinder or facebook dating. Pretty easy tbh.
why do you suppose they swiped on you in the first place? genuine question, do you really think it’s your bio? do you think thats the main reason people get matches on tinder? come on, dude
No but I’m sure my bio has a lot to do with it. I’m 5’6 and 250 pounds man I’m not “the top 10% of male attractiveness” lmao. I promise you the reason you can’t get laid or a date is probably because you never stop talking about how you can’t get laid or a date.
I do just fine with women in person, but somehow on tinder it’s virtually impossible to get a single match. your argument doesn’t make sense because it clearly has nothing to do with personality, if they don’t swipe to begin with, then they didn’t get a chance to talk to me in the first place
I want to hear more about speed dating lacking men, when I used to go to conventions a few years ago they were always in shortage of women, but that could also just be because of attendance demographics. I guess it would be different for general, none event specific, speed dating events.
As a male who struggled in the past I find the current male loneliness epidemic so bizarre mostly because my wife has a job that involves interacting with a lot of women who like to gossip and lemme tell ya, based on what they say the bar for men is set so incredibly fucking low that I'm stunned that so many men out there STILL fail to reach it
The general jist of what women see as "good enough" is:
1: has basic hygiene
2: does not abuse them
3: has an income
4: can take care of himself (cooking, cleaning, bills)
5: respects boundries
6: doesn't have views/opinions that belittle others
7: isn't completely tone deaf (aka: does inappropriate shit in public like wearing ahegao clothes or having "hot takes")
3 out of 7 of those qualifiers is basically having the most basic skillset an adult needs to survive and all 7 of these are the qualifiers needed for not being a complete dogshit human being half of which are set by women to prevent them from ending up a man who tries to turn them into their own personal maids by doing crap like belittling them,alienating them from family & friends, demanding they quit their job making them financially dependent and unable to leave...
It basically boils down to "I don't want to end up with so.eone who wants to turn me into a slave"
That's it
That's the standard you gotta meet
And its so insanely low that its sad.
Yes, some guys here will jump in and go "oooh but they only want chads/pretty people/(insert excuse here)" to which my response is: only some shallow women think that - if every woman you are going after is like this its not the women who are the problem, its your crappy taste in women and your lack of standards.
Its crazy just how much you can get away with if you're just a decent human being
I'm saying this as someone who isn't handsome or fit and who is also an awkward person
Sure, I struggled for a few years trying to find someone but in all fairness I was still figuring out some stuff in my life at that time that was preventing me from being ready to be in a relationship making me a walking red flag - I'll acknowledge that, fair's fair.
Eventually I found someone though.
Its really not that hard
Be a decent human being, be patient and for the love of god don't be so goddamn desperate, its ok if you're single - its a valid way of life and until you accept that you won't find anyone as your desperation will constantly sabotage you so there's that to consider as well.
Its like if I were to say all men are weebs who jack off to loli porn
This might come as a shock to you but women are people and there is a lot of variety in people
Some people are hypocrites, others are immature, some are decent people and a whole myriad of in between etc etc etc
2: your take boils down to "I'm going to ignore what women are communicating because I know better which... yikes, that basically breaks two of the 7 basic standards I mentioned women set for potential partners (respecting boundries and not having opinions that belittle others)
And yes this does break the boundry rule because you break boundries by not listening to people which you aren't doing.
Its basically the logic come men justify to ignore when a woman says no because "there is a noticeable gap between what they say and do"
It really isn't hard - if I want to know something about women, I'll ask women & vice versa, its basic common sense.
Last but not least: plenty of men also say one thing but do another, this is not exclusive or unique to women
Look at all these self proclaimed niceguys - they aren't nice at all.
All I’m doing is pointing out that your list is inadequate
According to your list a 5’2” obese prematurely balding loser with messed up teeth who works part time at a walmart stocking shelves meets womens standards “in general” as long as hes a sweetie and he showers regularly
Youre just outright wrong and I’m pointing that out
Its not that deep
And yes men do the same thing, people lie to avoid appearing shallow and to make themselves look better
I mean look, I'm just telling you what I've been told by women, you can ignore it if you want, that's your choice, I'm here to communicate, not argue or dispute it.
Just don't be surprised that the people who do ignore what women communicate to them aren't particularly successful in finding a partner as evidenced by the current male loneliness epidemic.
According to your list a 5’2” obese prematurely balding loser with messed up teeth who works part time at a walmart stocking shelves meets womens standards “in general” as long as hes a sweetie and he showers regularly
Answer this, do you think girls want this? According to your lists this outlier would fit the girls "good enough" to date.
Thats fine, I’m just telling you what you’ve been told is a lie
They say things like that out of frustration, pretending “geez all I want is X, is that really so hard?” When they actually want x, y, and z (and maybe a little bit of q too teehee)
The issue is actually the exact opposite, there are plenty of male sweeties out there who are having no luck with women despite being sweeties because they are short, out of shape, have low resource acquisition potential etc.
Women are not altruistic little wholesome hecking chunguses
my wife has a job that involves interacting with a lot of women who like to gossip and lemme tell ya, based on what they say the bar for men is set so incredibly fucking low that I'm stunned that so many men out there STILL fail to reach it
You're assuming those women are being honest about what their standards actually are. Those women are single, and they want to soothe their ego of not being able to attract a man by denigrating men and saying they don't meet basic human standards. It's the same approach incels use when they blame women for their lack of success.
Give these women a man that meet all 7 points you laid out, and they'll find 7 more points he won't meet that disqualify him. Need I point out that the terms 'icks' in modern dating culture is primarily used by women, and more often than not, they are complete nothing burgers. As for the actual points, I see some rather blatant flaws with two of them.
2: does not abuse them
These days I've seen this construed as anything from a man beating women like Chris Brown, to a man setting boundaries in a relationship like Jonah Hill.
3: has an income
This can mean anything from having a job to having to make more money than the woman. Based on the data, it is consistently the latter.
I guess I should start by pointing out that over half of my wife's clients are in a relationship/married so that already throws your first assumption out the window but I see how someone who struggles in finding a woman (I mean this in general, not you specifically) might use your arguments to rationalize why he can't find a woman whilst saving his image of himself making him feel like the women are to blame and not that he needs to work on himself because he exhibits some red flags.
Because its easier to say "YOU'RE the reason I'm miserable" instead of "I'm getting in my way and making myself miserable, I need to grow as a person"
For example like I said I struggled in the past but I was always honest to myself that I am the one who needed to mature into being ready for a relationship
I had to learn to identify my red flags, remove them and even then I still had to learn how to identify red flags in women to avoid them and to figure out what sort of woman I wanted to be with (cuz as it turns out, the image of my dream girl was in reality someone who was REALLY toxic)
But saying that to yourself is hard, like REALLY hard so a lot of people don't do it.
I guess I should start by pointing out that over half of my wife's clients are in a relationship/married so that already throws your first assumption out the window
It really doesn't. Women in relationships can be saying this to affirm what their single friends are saying(to boost their ego), can be unhappy in their current relationship(they feel their boyfriend doesn't meet those standards) or feel otherwise unsatisfied in life and want to denigrate others to make themselves feel better.
but I see how someone who struggles in finding a woman (I mean this in general, not you specifically) might use your arguments to rationalize why he can't find a woman whilst saving his image of himself making him feel like the women are to blame and not that he needs to work on himself because he exhibits some red flags.
Because its easier to say "YOU'RE the reason I'm miserable" instead of "I'm getting in my way and making myself miserable, I need to grow as a person
It ironic that you're saying that people would use what I said to push forward, let's be honest, incel rhetoric, but you're completely shutting down the possibility of women engaging in similar behaviour.
Put it like this; when men engage in this behaviour, they say things like "women are sluts", "they don't give good guys a chance", "they're goldiggers", etc. When women engage in that behaviour, they say things like "why are all men so abusive", "he's a loser who makes no money", "they're disgusting slobs", etc.
My claim is simple. Women say these things about men for the same reason men say those things about women. It is to appeal to their ego and to make them feel better about themselves without having to take on the burden of self reflection. If you are incapable of acknowledging this, you're operating under some kind of misandristic or misogynistic thinking.
I mean you claim I'm using that to shut down the possibility of women being dishonest whilst you're using it to do the opposite: to shut down the possibility that women are just being honest and transparent.
I'm not saying all women are honest, that would be a crqzy generalization to make
What I am saying however is that I'm noticing a pattern here that falls in line with the current state of things and that is that a lot of men are hesitant to listen to women
This leads to a lot of men falling below the already low standard a lot of women have for men leading to the male loneliness epidemic.
At the end of the day my logic is based on the fact that I am not a woman and therefore am not an authority on what women want, its the women who are the authority on that just like how men are the authority on what men want.
Imagine you tell a woman "I'm looking for XYZ in a woman" and the woman responds with "naaah you don't want XYZ, I say that you want ABC because men can be dishonest so I know better than you"
You then go "uh no I want XYaz" but she decides to ignore you using that argument to essentially shut you down and anything you say because "she knows better"
At that point she can basically impose anything on you
"I'm not gay"
"Yes you are because men lie now bend over"
That would suck, right?
Same thing here.
That's why its important to believe the source more than third party information.
>I mean you claim I'm using that to shut down the possibility of women being dishonest
That is absolutely not what I said, and I encourage you to go back and read what I wrote to you again. I said you are shutting down the possibility that women can be making these comments about men for the exact same reasons incels would make misogynistic comments about women.
>whilst you're using it to do the opposite: to shut down the possibility that women are just being honest and transparent.
When incels make misogynistic comments about women, do you think it would be appropriate to refer to those comments as honest and transparent? When women are saying things like 'men aren't meeting the basic standards of a human being' in gossip with other women, they aren't saying these things to men as honesty or advice. They are saying these things in gossip to other women because they are shit talking those men.
>I'm noticing a pattern here that falls in line with the current state of things and that is that a lot of men are hesitant to listen to women.
When men are asked why there seems to be a decline in recent years in them asking women out in public spaces, like at the gym, grocery store, on the street, do you know what the most common response is? It's "I heard women don't like that".
The "Male loneliness epidemic" is also mostly based on what men say. If you're just going by what people say , why prioritize what one group is saying over the other.
People don't like to acknowledge something they feel is wrong
I'm sure many women have standards for height/income/other characteristics that they just don't say out loud because they feel it's shallow
I'm sure some men are not mentioning some massive flaw when ranting about the dating market , since that makes it feel like they are being unreasonable
Become aid workers in hard places. You’ll live in ex pat bubbles and providing you’re not a complete fucking weirdo you’ll shag loads of women. You’ll work 70 hours a week and get burned out regularly, plus you’ll get typhoid and so on sometimes, but you’ll make loads of cool mates and see the world. Plus you’ll see real crises and people having the absolute worst fucking time, so all the bullshit in the west that gets people riled up just won’t bother you anymore because it’s all just algorithmic bollocks.
I'm married and I'm telling all Men, DO NOT GET MARRIED. Women are not what they used to be. I love my wife but she told me her dream since a little girl was "to get married and have kids" I gave her everything she wanted plus a 4 bedroom house in southern California.
She doesn't "work" .. she runs a small online business and sells women products and racked up 60k debt. Basically she has tons of freedom and rest. All she does is complain about the kids and never cooks or cleans. This is not unique to my marriage I hear the same from tons of married men.
So your choice is either a woman with 50+ bodies or the good girl that doesn't do anything for the family.
I really wanted to ask out this woman at the reception of the hotel I was at for a few days. She seemed really cool personality wise and had a lovely smile but the very fact that
A. I was on vacation a long ways away from home (so even if I shot my shot and asked for a number or a date, it wouldnt matter because I didnt even live in the same state, and more than likely a long distance relationship wouldn't work)
B. Personally I never want to ask someone out while they are at work. To me it just seems like I would be putting that person in a very awkward position as they are stuck at work and kind of have to not only stick around but they are still in work mode and depending on the person will still have to maintain a professional attitude/ friendly deminor due to their job. And again I dont want to put someone in that position.
Like yea I really would have loved to get to know her better for sure, but it just didnt seem appropriate all around...
How does one even go about relationships these days anyway.
unironically, a lot of otherwise straight men are doing this.
The amount of stories i’ve read men who convince themselves they’re bi, only to plug their nose before going down on a guy then throwing up afterward… desperate men will do anything
Don't know what country you're living in, but where I'm at bars and clubs practically have people spilling out the windows. There's speed-dating events every other day and apps like Tinder and Hinge have got loads of people.
People just use other people for views and nobody wants to be the butt of the joke. A lot of young men are lost and have NO clue how to be decent to women and don't want to become tiktok memes. Since they can't go out, they can't learn social skills, they can't possibly laid, and they no longer see the purpose in putting in the effort to seem more appealing to people IRL. They can make a bunch of social media alts and have fun talking shit about everyone anonymously instead. And the cycle continues.
Honestly, dating has gone to shit. Women are more focused on a red flag hunt. Men has a hobby? Red flag. Men doesn't want sex on the first date? Red flag, etc etc.
I work long hours, but I get to save loads of cash by not having a GF, and the remaining hours in my week (not many) I can do literally whatever I want.
Being willing to leave the house is generally a prerequisite for a vast majority of successful relationships. And I’m just not interested in ever really doing that 🤷♂️.
Men are more bound to patriarchal ideas of power and success. Women will be fine with dating because it requires less construction. As long as men's merit is tied to their success/power then in a society where everyone is powerless, men in particular are going to struggle more.
i’m confused at how people don’t get this. women literally hate getting approached by anyone because it scares them and they take it as a threat. you’re supposed to ignore and go about your life like normal
it’s funny how much i relate to this picture. A girl exists in public? avoid eye contact. pretend you don’t notice them. tell yourself “they’re more scared of you than you are of them.” The last thing i’d ever do is approach them
I can hang out with the boys at home, drink beers and listen to good music, or I can go to a pub and pay the price of a six pack for one pint, get rejected by women, with needlessly loud shitty music blaring all night. Tough choice.
IMO it’s because there just aren’t that many opportunities anymore and even when there is, there is always a fear of sexual harassment . It’s a roll of the dice whether asking out a woman is considered sexual harassment or cute. It’s great that culture has shifted to understand women’s struggles better but it also pushes away men.
Whenever I read these, I end up hearing "I've tried nothing and nothing is working!" most of the time. Bunch of dudes who stay inside all day and then write shit like "the bars are empty!"
Do you go to bars all the time? Do you want to date someone who goes to bars all the time? Because those are the people who hang out at bars...why on earth would they want to date some freak 4channer. You don't just get to go pick up a chick at a bar and then turn her into a tradwife the next day. If you want a tradwife, maybe try going to church lmao.
Wtf is anon on about? Where i live clubs are full of people ( too bad the music is mid asf and the drinks are overpriced) and bars are not empty ( the industry isn’t thriving or anything but people go there fairly regularly). I’m not getting any cuz i can’t fucking talk to people, but most other guys are doing fine. In general this is why i have trouble understanding the whole “male loneliness epidemic”, i’ve seen the charts and the studies and the articles (and i believe them) but my firsthand experience tells me it’s only a me problem.
Because often times paying for sex is cheaper. Why bother going through the trials of dating, do the monkey dance to impress only to get rejected?
Let's face it, most women only go for a select few men, especially when they're in their prime and even then, for those men, it's just their turn.
These women then just want to "settle" for the provider.
However, if they find a guy who is a mix of both, she will leave that provider for an "upgrade".
Add to the fact, that many women today don't even need a provider anymore, since they're more than capable of financially taking care of themselves, all they need is just to get laid with whoever they want.
In some cases, they completely just not bother at all, even with sex. So they're out of the market.
Then there are those who have had their "experiences" and are now just not into it.
Now, you add to the fact that younger and even older men are now wising up to this reality, men also don't bother to make an attempt and rather just pay for sex or not even that, and just use the abundance of "exciting" content online, then you get what we see today.
There are those who do still get into relationships though, just not as much. There is no incentive to, for both.
Plus I'm not even gonna mention the obvious financial issues, unaffordable homes, etc.
Maybe it is by design, to break down the system and curb the population. Even in highly populated countries, we are seeing a huge decline.
Is it for good or bad? Depends on who you ask. I just see it as an inevitable consequence of human nature.
All I know is that this isn't gonna be enough to wipe out humanity though. So the doomers can chill TF out.
It all just seems hopeless. Women will show interest just to ghost you, and even if you miraculously land a first date, that’s like landing the first round at a 8 round job interview. She’ll discover an ick, look at your social media, or be convinced by her toxic friends why she shouldn’t be with you and you’re back at square one. This is after spending a great deal of time and energy into one girl I might add. The juice just ain’t worth the squeeze anymore. Women have slowly been flocking towards the top 10% of men because social media has convinced them they are all the top 10% of women. I’m just don’t feel like competing anymore
Yeah Well No thanks. Nowadays you may get all your bravery together and ask a girl out. But then you have a decent chance of being accused to be a catcaller. As I said no thanks. Society fucked up completely, there is no real sense in doing this. 2 years ago I met a nice girl and got into Smalltalk very fast, she added me everywhere first. Couple months later I told her that she participated in a dream I had. Boom all here nerves cramped up and she told me never talk to her again as this would crossed any boundaries she had an one more time then she would call police. Now back to borderlands 4. I can't waste any more time on that topic.
We’re poor and ashamed we can’t support a girlfriend or a family so we don’t even try. You think we’d be single if we could work only 40hrs a week and afford a middle class lifestyle?
All a woman has to do is say something happened when it didn't and your in trouble, Considering the risk towards potentially awkward men who struggle to socialise, why bother?
Not saying accusations shouldn't be taken seriously, but it is a significant problem because people lying about it dont get punished while the other side gets their life ruined, And then Mens accusations are laughed away, even if they're truthful and did actually happen.
Well, I am in this position as well, though i am now 28. I asked my wife out when i was 17. We are now going through divorce and I have no idea how to not feel like a creep when trying to talk like a woman. There's just so much violence of men hurting woman that i find it scary to even talk to a woman. Afraid that i cant read her signs.
Honestly from years of observing how these youngsters are in front of girls, it’s really just their fault and you guys keep making too many excuses for them. Most of the time what I see are guys trying WAYYY too hard, trying to lock in the most superb appearance for the Huss, and projecting the most perfect person they can imagine. Chill the fuck out and act yourself, it reeks of desperation when you pretend to be so fucking cool swag walking everywhere. And for the love of god stop placing pussy on a pedestal because again it’s just desperate, know your worth without other people interjecting their opinion of your worth.
I just started mass asking out women at every avenue i could, bars, online, etc, got a date with one, and am now in a relationship. I am not particularly attractive or rich but the sheer numbers helped me find a woman that liked me anyway and vice versa. Its like a video game, dont take rejection too personally at all. Basically I used the same strategy to get a job lmao.
My experience: online dating is a trap, your confidence will break. If you’re an avg 5, you need to shoot for 2’s to get any likes or responses. And if you end uDon’t do it.
Only way to meet women is by going out, getting drunk enough you feel comfortable approaching and just keep shooting your shot. It’s just a numbers game, X amount of approaches turns into Y amount of numbers and Z amount of make out sessions that night. Now the real problem is keeping them on the hook the day(s) after. Some of them just ignore you the day after which is fine, move on.
I had 2 of them that I ended up seriously dating, both of them turned out to have intimacy issues or anxiety which made them say they weren’t ready for a relationship. Or maybe that’s all bullshit and they gave me a soft let down, who cares. I’m going to keep doing it because it’s fun and eventually I hope i’ll find someone without issues who’s willing to get in a serious relationship. The whole dating experience still leaves me jaded but you gotta keep trying man.
where are these men? is it just my friends that are social or what? i’m 19, i’ve been on dates, haven’t gotten a girlfriend but im the worst out of all my friends. they’ve all been in relationships and two of em have autism.
What do you mean men don’t go for speed dating, every time I want to sign up there are 0 free places for man and half left for woman. They trickle in like one week before event and organisers have to sometimes call previous attendees. This trend holds for ages 18-40, after that it switches.
Very rarely are the people I find outside the kinds of people that I would want to hang out with on a regular basis, let alone attempt to spend the rest of my life with
The only thing holding me back from dating men is the complete lack of sexual attraction.
I have female friends, but I never felt so free and understood with them as I did with dudes. Like literally every activity other than sex is more fun for me with dudes... No homo tho
I had a good job, nice car, two story house and a beautiful wife.
Well my wife left me recently and you know, besides the obvious heartbreak of losing someone you built a life with and expected to share a legal and spiritual eternity with, its somewhat freeing
I always said "i got out on the last chopper from 'nam" as far as the dating scene went. Met my wife on tinder 8 years ago, and had a lot of great dating app experiences when they were first a thing.
Now I see how my single friends struggled, and how dating apps are all so ... monetized and disgusting preying on loneliness.
Its been a few months now and I can say I am happy in a way that lets me exist for myself and not have to constantly be performing tricks to appease someone else.
I never expected to get divorced but now that I am I can see that its easier and healthier for me to live for myself.
The only thing that might change is wanting to have a child to pass my legacy on to but who knows if that will ever happen.
If a woman comes along, great.. if not.. such is life.
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
There is absolutely no way that speed dating has a harder time getting men than women.
But yeah, no place to meet them in most cities. I live in a medium sized city and no one has any idea where to meet women after university, which I spent in an abusive relationship. In my six years so far going to bars, I've literally only met one woman that was single... And I was so drunk I forgot she was single until after she left and I couldn't ask her out.
bexohomo@reddit
I met my partner at work. Just talk to people
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
I work from home and the closest team member to me by proximity is about 600 miles away
bexohomo@reddit
That's a choice my guy, dunno how to help you. You are in control of your surroundings, but alas you make excuses
BluudLust@reddit
It's true. Locally our speed dating thing has to advertise directly to men with discounts while limiting women's tickets.
Shootemout@reddit
i was in several " Singles" FB groups for my area and the surrounding ones. i constantly see on them that they need more men to show up to them cause they don't have any. i went to several and immediately understood why. nobody in my age bracket would go cause it's all people who are double my age and the 3 women that were there that were my age were... well if i'm gonna put it nice they needed to work on themselves some more. 3 kids by the age of 20, next one couldn't hold down a job at relied on others for rent (i.e. me), and the last one i just had really really bad "dont stick your dick in crazy" vibes. there's just not much in it for dudes under 30 that would make it worth it to them unless it's like a college town. and even there in my experience only half the women that are the same age group as me were actually single.
i liked talking to them, some of them were cool but every 'event' i went to there was just nobody for me and i imagine it's the same case for many others
subterraneanjungle@reddit
This is just an example from my (small) country, but it’s a thing. My friend has organised these events for close to a decade and over the last year or so the men have disappeared. She cancelled last three events because only 2-3 guys showed up (average used to be 15-20). She believes it’s more to do with the current ecomonic situation in our country, yet I dont believe it, since women still show up to the events.
Blitskreig1029@reddit
I believe there's so many layers to this. Like even today. Men are almost "expected" to be iniatators. Which carries its own risk. Now tack on everyone and there dog has a camera they can upload your blunder if you happen too.
Now layer on the social and economic factors. I'm glad I found my wife before cell phones had cameras or at least when it wasn't super easy to upload my countless screw ups.
Point is rejection sucks. Man or woman. Doesn't feel good..now immortalize that via tiktok, Facebook, Reddit you name it.
10yearsnoaccount@reddit
add to that the aftermath of the #metoo years and noone wants to come off as a creep or worse
tell men to leave women alone for a few years and guess what? they leave women alone.... except for the actual creeps of course
aVarangian@reddit
If a guy has no money then he'd just be wasting time by going...
The same isn't true for women
Ekillaa22@reddit
That’s the trick you gotta have a job first THAN lose it to make her work /s
ItsImNotAnonymous@reddit
The 130 IQ move
in_the_blind@reddit
Women are sometimes looking for a meal ticket.
dr_tel@reddit
I'd probably go just to get a kick out of their surprise when I refuse to pay lol
AugustEpilogue@reddit
These videos are all over the internet. Women showing up in huge groups to speed dating events and there’s only a handful of men there. Men are not trying to pay $100 just to get rejected when they can get rejected for free everywhere else
RickThiCisbih@reddit
The fee should be a token amount like 20€-50€ to weed out the trash, $100 is way too much.
AugustEpilogue@reddit
20 won’t weed out the trash. It costs that to get into a club. Plenty of trash there.
xinorez1@reddit
There's also the expectation that at a club, everyone is looking to party or get laid.
With dating, you're looking for friendships. It shouldn't be more expensive imo
RickThiCisbih@reddit
It does weed out the scammers looking to make a quick 20 dollars off some desperate fool though.
AugustEpilogue@reddit
Anyone man goes to a speed dating event even at $100 is a desperate fool. And even the women going there know that
RickThiCisbih@reddit
Yeah, hence the token amount of 20-50
Unknown6656@reddit
lol that's why it's 100$. <90$ would still be payed by the trash
Ekillaa22@reddit
In person rejection for a 100 dollars or free rejection at home from apps hmm
CerifiedHuman0001@reddit
Or you can get more involved in your hobbies and get rejected at in-personal events
Notsorry6767@reddit
I heard from men that the majority of the women at thise events are not even single. They show up to support a single friend and have fun. So of the 100 women only a fifth are single and your just wasting your time trying to find them.
AugustEpilogue@reddit
And the ones that are single aren’t even necessarily set on finding someone. They’re they’re to have fun. If they meet some amazing guy then they’ll consider it but, what are the chances you’re that first amazing guy that will finally meet the standards they haven’t found anywhere else online or In these events.
No-Admin1684@reddit
If you're that amazing guy, you don't need a speed dating event to get women's attention. So 0% chance really, except for morbid curiosity.
AugustEpilogue@reddit
Exactly
Gary_FucKing@reddit
How are you so close and yet completely missing the point of these things?? It isn’t some arranged marriage shit, you’re there to have fun and check out a bunch of people that maybe things will work out with. There’s never a guarantee.
AugustEpilogue@reddit
No they’re not there to check out a bunch of people lol. They’re they’re for their fantasy man they believe they’re destined for in their mind. But that fantasy man doesn’t exist. He doesn’t exist on the 3 dating apps they’re swiping left every day on, he doesn’t exist among the guys they’re leading on on social media for attention, no matching his standards exists at their job, and they’re not going to find anyone who matches his at attributes at these singles events either.
They’re not there to check out a bunch of people and they’re not there to check out you either. Most guys have learned that by now, that’s why these singles events are empty.
Gary_FucKing@reddit
“Most guys” haven’t learned shit, they give up before they even try because they’re listening to bitter and/or grifting idiots online telling them women are all money grubbing chad fucking whores.
ZombieAlienNinja@reddit
Sounds like they need to do a reverse ladies night. Ya know where drinks are cheaper to get ladies to come in? Seems like they want to attract men so they should make entrance fee free for men.
No-Admin1684@reddit
Makes sense in theory, but in practice women are grossed out at the idea of paying for an event to meet men that didn't have to pay.
AugustEpilogue@reddit
Well if women don’t pay for drinks and men’s drinks are cheap, what’s keeping the bar profitable on man’s night
Icerith@reddit
Start asking random people out for almost any reason. Don't, like, blatantly go up to them and start talking at them with intentions to date, use tact.
I asked out my current girlfriend because she bought a knife from the vendor booth my parents were owned and I liked her curly hair. Literally my first interaction with her ever. I just said "Hey, y'know if you're interested we should grab a coffee later!" and we had both been out of our last relationships for about a year so it was good timing.
Almost a year now! :)
RickThiCisbih@reddit
“B-but what if she shrieks that I’m a creep, mocks me to her friends, and tries to call the cops on me???”
First off, men have got to do a better job at filtering for personality. The kind of women that would do that are very rare and very noticeable. Don’t just ask out the first woman with huge gazongas you see, get a feel for if she’s a total bitch or not.
Secondly, don’t be so goddamn pushy. The romcom cliché of “persistence will be rewarded” is a lie. When she says no, take it with grace and no one will think you’re a creep. If you try to follow her home, she WILL call the cops and she would be justified to do so. No, it’s not “women these days”, stalking and ignoring boundaries has always been frowned upon.
stalineczka@reddit
You can’t filter for personality if you don’t know her
Either_Dragonfly_528@reddit
That ain’t the point. Nowadays girls don’t want to be bothered when they are out doing things, and reasonable men are respecting them by not cold approaching them. That is what is happening and it’s not because all men are stupid and pussies, it’s a side effect of men’s change which is happening, making them more aware and respectful of girls’ boundaries. In fact, 8/10 of those men who still cold approach are assholes that don’t respect girls. So girls say that most men are creeps, because they don’t approach and only get approached (for historical reasons), so they deal mostly with men that don’t respect them. So the good ones hear girls venting about it and want to approach even less not to be called creeps, and now it’s men that vent about it. It’s a cycle. The solution here and the only way out is girls have to change to match men’s change. They need to approach more. In my group of 7 homies, 5 of them are engaged and 3 out of 5 it’s the girl that asked the man out. Which is still not common because many girls still can get a man without moving a finger, so there is no reason for them to approach more. But I think that’s the solution
RickThiCisbih@reddit
I don’t think women approaching men is a bad idea, in fact it’s quite excellent, but I disagree that it’s the only solution. Learning the social skill of reading body language to know when women are open to being approached or talked to is another solution, but social skills are a dying art.
A lot of my friends went to engineering schools, where women were treated as a myth and social skills are an afterthought, so they adapted. One of my friends met a girl in his jujitsu class. Another while on vacation to another country. One approached a girl at a farmer’s market. One guy even started dating a girl who met through selling his stuff.
The common denominator here is that these aren’t necessarily “cold” approaches”. They’re more like “lukewarm” approaches where you have a reason to approach a girl, BUT you also take advantage of the situation to build a rapport. Of course, that requires a certain level of social allaise that can be considered intimidating.
I blame COVID, but it feels like a lot of people have developed this belief that social skills are innate and not learnt. They also refuse to do anything that doesn’t have a 100% success rate, even though socializing is like basketball, where even the best in the world are expected to miss at least half the time (50% shooting is considered excellent in the NBA). Yeah, 9/10 women will reject, some more politely than others, but finding the one that clicks with you is worth it.
Jimbo-Shrimp@reddit
"it's rare" so is a rape in the park at 2 AM but are you gonna tell women to stop carrying mace? I'm sure not going to.
RickThiCisbih@reddit
If by carrying mace you mean never talking to a woman, then you do you
Jimbo-Shrimp@reddit
Better safe than sorry, if a woman likes me she's free to approach
Icerith@reddit
Yep, I've definitely never done the "persistence will be rewarded" method. I have found that literally doesn't apply in any aspect of life. Maybe if you're on the cutting edge of something, like maybe persistence was a necessity for Steve Wozniak, Bill Gates, or Jeff Bezos, but I'm several more degrees of distance away from those types than just persistence. There's plenty more short roads to walk and try than long ones to staple yourself to and maybe eventually succeed at. Variety is the spice of life.
It was a girl's birthday at a bar once and I approached and asked if I could buy her and her buddies a round of shots. She goes "Oh, well he's actually my boyfriend," so I said "Oh, well then he can have one too!" I turned me picking her up into just me being friendly, and it didn't make my night any worse. I still got to chat with them for a moment and a birthday girl still got a free shot.
RickThiCisbih@reddit
Ah but you see, you have the illusory skill of being able to talk to women and handle rejection without getting crippled, which you were definitely born with and couldn’t possibly have learnt and practiced at all.
Icerith@reddit
Yeah, I was an angry, incel, autist in high school dude. I had to relearn all my social skills in college, lmao.
General_Rubenski@reddit
Thats funny, the opposite happened to me. In High School and the first 2-3 years of college (Before covid and everything went online) I used to have absolutely no problem with women and asking them out/getting rejected. Now after isolating myself during covid along with moving to a new city at the same time and not knowing anyone or making an effort to try to, I've practically lost my ability to talk to women and to an extent, just basic social skills too. Its been like that for 4 years. I've only now have been more sociable since ive been going back to finish my schooling and join some clubs. Although I've never feel into the whole angry incel autist role, for which im glad.
Jimbo-Shrimp@reddit
Everyone knows it's hoping for an eventual date
You get called a creep for not being clear about intentions
Icerith@reddit
Well duh everyone knows it's for the intention to date. I literally said that.
Jimbo-Shrimp@reddit
>"Don't, like, blatantly go up to them and start talking at them with intentions to date"
>Makes it blatantly clear he wants to date
Icerith@reddit
Oh, sorry. I'm sick as hell with bronchitis and had to reread what I wrote. Guess I didn't read hard enough.
Yeah, I mean, I guess you do it with the intention to date. I don't see why that's a bad thing. Guess I don't know why I wrote that initially.
Jimbo-Shrimp@reddit
You've got a case of silly gooseitis
Icerith@reddit
Yeah, my brain is all sorts of fucked.
Jimbo-Shrimp@reddit
Sleep my brother get some rest
DarkScorpion48@reddit
Apparently young men don’t even bother with scams like speed dating
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
I mean, I never have, so maybe there's some truth to it.
Tit__-Burglar@reddit
i've never even heard about speed dating, tf is that even about.... you have sex and part your ways or something like that?
RickThiCisbih@reddit
I don’t know what it’s like in other countries, but in Asia speed dating is usually 15 min convos about how much money you make and hoping the woman across from you is desperate enough to take it.
ziggazang@reddit
Is lying allowed?
Kr4k4J4Ck@reddit
That's the most efficient meta build dawg
InterestingCar1480@reddit
So analog tinder?
dr0ps00t3r@reddit
Asian here, can confirm
Tit__-Burglar@reddit
and here i thought, this could get me laid
RickThiCisbih@reddit
It can, eventually
C_umputer@reddit
For that price, I'd say there are cheaper options
Darnittt@reddit
Speed dating is just tinder but with worse odds, and you can't leave in the middle of it
Futureman999@reddit
I've never been to one, but it's hilarious how hard the women who run them sell the female attendees: "vivacious confident successful alpha achiever women who are CRUSHING IT with their careers!"
Hmm, are they hot? Are they nice? Also have you ever met a straight man?
nomadProgrammer@reddit
yeah but they are vivacious and alpha. I want an alpha woman in my life /s
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
No, this lines up with what I've seen of dating event sales.
In my city I've been eyeing a couple of the popular ones. There's this one called BODA, which delineates their sales by gender and rounds. Female tickets always sells out before male tickets.
I've yet to actually go and verify if this lines up with the irl experience, but there's that.
I feel you though, same situation, but you're 4 years ahead.
swaggaticchio@reddit
Anecdotally, at least in my area, I feel like young women in my area in general are more open to going out and doing things on random nights than men. I frequently see a lot of my single female friends going to bars/restaurants on weeknights even if it's just to hang out and are always posting themselves doing things over the weekend. Whereas I am going to the gym and playing video games with my single male friends during weeknights and going out to do activities and on dates with my wife on the weekends. I figure speed dating is just another "fun activity" to do to kill some time for some people.
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
I don't disagree.
Anecdotally, my women friends are also the ones to complain about not having money more often than my male friends, despite some of them earning as much or more than their male counterparts, while a lot of my male friends are saving comparatively large amounts of money before we even hit 25.
It's a pretty complex topic, and hard to analyse without moral judgement, because then we go into the whole rabbit hole of whether or not behaviours are justified within the historical context they evolved in. In this case, there is seemingly a difference, but this is not as exaggerated in the data:
https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/male-vs-female-shopping-statistics/
Whether it does swing one way or the other, the difference isn't much greater than 10% either way, and we're dealing with marginal differences (whether you spend 98% or 116% of your income, you're still not really saving much) which suggests this isn't that big an issue in real life, but more of a perception one.
HazelCheese@reddit
I think the likeliest answer is women play less video games due to not being raised on them and so spend less time indoors.
Fiercepaws@reddit
It's to farm attention to boost egos. Just like dating apps
AusCro@reddit
I'm in Australia, usually it's male dominated or equal, but this is just experience
JetFuel0909@reddit
I have a hard time believing that tbh any singles event had always been dominated by men in my experience
KacKLaPPeN23@reddit
The men who are successful at those events have switched to dating apps because they can get more for their money (just look at those attendance fees, ridiculous). And the rest seems to have caught on that at these events they are just subsidizing other people having a good evening.
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
I'm in the UK for reference I guess. No idea about other countries.
geonater7@reddit
In my city a lot of them struggle to find men because the ticket prices are higher for men so they just don't go.
InquisitorMeow@reddit
Pick up a sport or go to a dance class or something. Volunteer. Go to church if that's your thing.
Azurealy@reddit
I’ve heard a lot of stories of people showing up to speed dating or just singles events and it’s 90+% women. Most of the guys never hear about it. I’ve heard some events don’t get any guys to sign up, so they basically have hired guys pretend to be available men looking for a relationship. All of this is hearsay so take it with a grain of salt. One story I remember, a guy and his buddy got free entry into an event and realized they were the only dudes there. They got some drinks, talked to each other, and then a woman approached them to complain that they should be approaching the women.
TurnThatTVOFF@reddit
Why do you guys go to bars tho? That's the worst place to meet a chick. You guys don't have movie theaters? Malls? Downtown areas?
sconels@reddit
Speed dating is a bit like astrology. It's for the basic bitches and desperate.
CORVlN@reddit
Speed dating is harder to get men because good looking men don't need to go to those events.
JP1426@reddit
2 of my female coworkers recently signed up and they invited me and I went to sign up it said to many men had joined so they were only allowing women to sign up and this was a month before the speed dating was to happen
ThatGuyAtTheGym@reddit
Most single women in large cities are single for a good reason. And you don’t want to get with them and find out
TwistedBamboozler@reddit
“There’s no places to meet in most cities”
This literally is the furthest thing from the truth. Every city has countless events and meetups JUST for this reason.
If going to bars is your entire personality, that’s on you. But there is plenty do to and ways to meet people.
Instead of staying inside and jerking off, why don’t you join a run club?
“Er … no! Not like that!”
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
Because there's nothing like that in my city either. I have an active social life, I have friends with active social lives, I know quite a few women, all of which are married or getting married. There's nowhere around here to remotely consistently meet anyone single except for uni. I can go plenty of places and meet people, you just never meet anyone who's not with their partner.
TwistedBamboozler@reddit
If you make drop your city I bet you I could find 5 events this weekend
bigbadbillyd@reddit
I think what's hes saying is that getting out to events isn't the problem and the real issue is finding another single woman there.
party_peacock@reddit
There are events that are literally singles events.
And before anyone says they're all just gonna be sausage fests, many of them are ticketed events that cap the number of each gender to maintain a roughly balanced ratio
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
Maybe some places. For most, those events just serve older people and retirees, at least in my area.
party_peacock@reddit
The ones in my area (small-ish city) aren't quite retirees, I'd say 30s-40s.
People in their 20s seem to be rarer, I'd speculate that most would be using online dating apps instead or still be in relationships from college
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
Most women on dating apps for me (I'm 26) are about 40 miles away, while my younger sister, who is 23, met her fiance through tinder locally. She's talked about how she could spend literal days endlessly scrolling through men in the next ten miles while I can only spend about five minutes a day scrolling through women 25-34 in the next fifty miles. I don't even know anymore, man.
Kel4597@reddit
I thought the same thing until I started actually looking at these events and saw women’s tickets selling out several days before events and them running BOGO deals to try and get men to sign up
Superkritisk@reddit
We do in Norway.
Cleveworth@reddit
Because they'll act friendly to you for months only to call you a rapist and turn you into a social pariah because you put your hand on their shoulder when they were in a fit of tears. That's why dating is dead.
bexohomo@reddit
me when I live on the internet
Thesolmesa@reddit
Only reasonable comment gets downvoted, this comment section is an incel minefield
bexohomo@reddit
literally
i replied to a comment that was saying "thank god I found my wife before this era" and I'm like "i found my partner just fine", and some dunce replies to me with "well yeah cause you're a woman" like ?????????????????? what is that even supposed to mean? they say you just can't get a girlfriend but my boyfriend literally got a girlfriend
Cleveworth@reddit
me when I ever muster the confidence to interact with actual real women my age (it's goddamned horrible EVERY TIME and they never change)
Afghan_@reddit
skill issue lmao
GamnlingSabre@reddit
I'm so glad that I found my wife before everyone was terminally online and filmed everything.
I think I'd be single too in today's dating scene.
bexohomo@reddit
I found my partner just fine in this era lol
bexohomo@reddit
u/RED-19 i hope you realize that it means my partner found me too. like what? "well yeah cause you're a woman" like what kind of logic is that. is my boyfriend suddenly not a man? the type you guys think can't find a woman in this day and age?
RED-19@reddit
Well yeah, you're a woman. We're talking about men here lol
KofteLock@reddit
how
rafioo@reddit
Fortunately, I have a gf, but judging by how my male friends' dates usually go, it's usually like this:
- a guy hits on a girl
- she rejects him
- the guy hits on another girl
- she rejects him again
repeat several (dozen) times
- the guy gives up and prefers to stay at home/do his own thing
Inb4: they should start earning more money/taking care of themselves/change they hairstyle/change their lifestyle/whatever - I always thought that we don't have to pretend to be someone we're not to get someone, apparently that's history now and we need to be someone other than ourselves.
And yes, no one wants a lazy person who doesn't clean up after themselves and has no interests. The problem is that my friends have their own apartments, some have their own businesses, their hobbies, they go to the gym, and yet they are alone. I don't know if the opposite sex thinks that there's always a better fish in the sea and prefers to constantly search for someone who is a 10/10 instead of settling for someone who is a 7/10 or whatever...
Spaciax@reddit
better to smell the michelin star chef's food than eat the home cook's food I guess.
You're not competing with other guys in your area: you're competing with a guy who probably doesn't even know you, or she, even exists.
hydroxy@reddit
Dating has an incredibly high rate of pointless time consuming crap to actual value, and being honest here a lot of girls put in low effort, they may look great but many times the dates show atrocious ability to contribute.
Plus I’m realising an even higher than expected percent of women are entirely viewing the relationship situation like an economist would look over prospective investments rather than an actual social connection. I can understand looking for a provider but this is much beyond that, this has become looking for a financier to bankroll a certain type of lifestyle.
If I see this is what the date is I’ve just started cancelling mid-date, politely saying I have to go, pay my half and leave, the end.
All this is after the extensive rejection process that you find the few that are willing to go on dates among dozens who just want a penpal emotional confidante instead.
That’s only writing a few issues, there’s like 20 or so major problems but I just don’t have the energy.
Whole system is just mental.
cavendishandharvey@reddit
Every noticed how swiping/scrolling a dating app is vaguely similar so a slot machine/video poker? Dating apps tap into the gambling part of the human brain and almost every gambler KNOWS the jackpot is just one more spin away.
liberalhellhole@reddit
Why go out and suffer through countless rejections when I can stay at home, jerk off to my heart's content, eat chicken nuggets and play video games all day? Limitless instant pleasure/gratification with 0 consequences.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
this is gonna be hard for the normies reading this but if there's no way to get pussy, the average man wouldn't lift a finger more than he had to for cheap dopamine and survival. im not saying we need to turn woman into government handout sex slaves to motivate the male youth, but if dudes keep realizing theyre not getting any action regardless, theyre gonna stop maintaining the roads and it will be harder to get your matcha lattes.
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
Do you honestly believe men are only motivated by sex?
Hot take: sex actually isn’t that good and i feel like social media is vastly overstating its importance.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
not only by sex, but by sex, being accepted socially and romantically, building a family and having a solid footing in a community. i called it "getting pussy" but it's more than just sticking your meat in wet flesh.
Njorord@reddit
You don't need "pussy" to be part of a community and be accepted socially. Most people don't give a shit if you've had sex or not, because it is seen as a personal and intimate matter that is inappropriate to talk about unless there's some trust already built up in a relationship. This is the thing this corner of the internet doesn't seem to get: sex will not fix your feelings of loneliness and isolation. Finding a partner to fill that void will only make you emotionally dependent on them.
It's also a bit denigrating towards men, don't you think? That the only way we can ever be happy and give a shit about anything depends entirely on having a woman by your side? My dudes, are we just fucking unable to function on our own? Take control of your life.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
A lot of people obviously do and it's a part of being seen as socially normal to have romantic relationships. Finding a partner to feel less lonely doesn't mean you'll be emotionally independent on them. What does this even mean? If you're lonely, making friends isn't a good idea because then you'll be "emotionally dependent" on them to fulfill your social needs. You're getting too in the weeds with psychological talk. When people feel unable to have a family, a relationship, and be accepted in their community, it's not to be unexpected that they retreat.
Njorord@reddit
If you have just one person to fulfill your emotional needs, when that person leaves, your whole world comes crashing down as you don't have anyone anymore. Yes, you might've made friends with their friends, but they will most likely also leave with the ex-partner. If you have issues that involve them or you can't talk to them about, you will have no one to approach. Since you rely on them, and only them, for your social needs, you will do anything to keep them by your side because otherwise you will lose it all. That's what I meant by being emotionally dependent. Relying on someone doesn't make you dependent. These things do.
And, yeah, it's not unexpected they retreat, you're right. But what I'm saying is you don't have to just accept your fate, lay down, and rot. There are other options to build connections and fulfillment, and once you do, you make yourself much more desirable as a potential partner.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
I think the issue of being romantically lonely is generally solved by finding a romantic partner. When you bring in other things like "relying on them for all your emotional needs," you're talking about something else.
Njorord@reddit
But you literally said it wasn't just about the partner, it was about the community and social acceptance that came with it. My entire point was based around the premise you don't need a partner for those things, and getting them makes you more desirable anyway.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
Fair, but the partner and the things that come with having a partner are still a relevant factor.
Njorord@reddit
They are, definitely. I just don't like the idea that we (men) can't be assed to do anything without those things. As I said, I find it denigrating.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
people need motivations to do things. if the reward for integrating into society and working is that you get to be marginally less broke with no friends or relationship, some people are going to choose to be lazy and jerk off and eat tendies
Njorord@reddit
Which is fair, but why are we deciding to blame this fact on women and not the fact that men are STILL victim of gender roles (men don't cry, men don't talk about feelings, men are tough, men are dominant) in a society that no longer rewards those roles? Why don't we say "hey my dudes, actually to have human relationships and connections, we need to approach people and be emotionally open."
What are we doing instead? We're going on the opposite direction and doubling down on the alpha male bullshit, which, surprise, only further alienates women. Either that or just lying down, playing vidya and jerking off while going on a doomer spiral.
There's also, of course, the absolute state of our economy in which CEOs are fucking us raw in the ass and we get a few crumbs and are supposed to say "thank you daddy" for them. Which also contributes. There are barely any spaces to just hang out without paying, everyone gets increasingly individualistic, and the politicians don't give a shit because their pockets are already full from all the lobbying.
So what gives? Why do we insist on simplifying things and blame "women not getting into relationships" when there's so much more shit going on that's far more significant for the male loneliness epidemic? We're looking at a single tree and going: "I can't believe this tree is so big!" when there's a forest behind it of trees 50 times its size.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
because "emotional openness" isn't the primary reason these guys don't get girlfriends and because "muh economy" is only tangentially relevant and I personally, am annoyed with people taking every issue where there's actual disagreement and going "no dude! ignore that and hate CEOs with me!" taxing Elon Musk's wealth is not going to get any of these dudes laid. On emotional openness, like I said, it's not the main reason for a lot of these guys. There's things you can point to in general society, dating culture, and their own lacking in looks and other factors that make an individual attractive before vague things like "EQ" come up. We also know that, to at least some extent, people will label positive traits onto their partner to justify their decision and seem less shallow, so plenty of people are calling their partner smart and empathetic when they're average in both traits, but they're hot, so you consciously and subconsciously add positive traits onto them. Plus, a lot of men just don't want to be emotionally open. Because they don't get anything out of it, or they get punished for it, or because there simply isn't anything to be emotionally open about. A normal guy going to work and gym and home might not have seem deep trauma to reveal to you, and even amongst people who are generally pro-therapy, it's known that "talking" helps women more than men, who tend to benefit more from tangible solutions. There isn't a solid tangible solution to "no one wants to date me" so if you can't change the result, you can at least decrease the effort in the attempt.
BrazilianTerror@reddit
How many men that are seem as respectable, admired members of society never had a woman by their side? It’s obviosly wierd if someone is like 40 and never had a partner
Njorord@reddit
It's definitely seen as odd by general society, but you're thinking of it backwards. It's not that they're admired and respected members of society because they've had a woman by their side, it's that they have a woman by their side because they're admired and respected. People are attracted to that, and it's easier to find a partner.
And hey, if it comes up in conversation, you only need say "yeah, haven't really found my match yet. But I know she will show up one day". Anyone who tries to push it further than that is just being nosy at best and an asshole at worst.
OrangeFortress@reddit
Sex is a spectrum. If you think sex isn't that good, maybe you aren't good at sex and/or the people you're having sex with aren't good at sex. Sex can definitely be terrible, but it can also be one of the best human experiences possible.
Sex is objectively a fundamental driving factor in humans (excluding people with abnormal brain chemistry). Even when it isn't the explicit surface motivation, it’s often subconsciously intertwined into other motivations. Sex is also not only limited to the momentary act itself, but has long-term social effects.
Njorord@reddit
Listen, sex is good. It's great! There's a reason so much of our society is dedicated to sex. It's one of the fundamental human experiences.
But that's the thing. It's just one experience. The way you think about sex before having it vs. how you think about it after having it is night and day. It does not fundamentally change you as a person, it doesn't fix your shitty feelings, sure it might be a vehicle to building a nice relationship with someone or connecting with your peers... but sex isn't the only way to do that. That's why people complain that it is put on a pedestal. It's amazing, but it's not the end all be all.
stalineczka@reddit
Njorord@reddit
You're misinterpreting my words. Saying something is not as important as it is chalked up to be is not the same as just saying that it is not important.
You know what are some more fundamental human experiences? Food, clothes, artistic expression, cultural traditions... big parts of our culture are shaped around these experiences, yet no one would claim that fulfillment depends on them. Sure, it plays a factor into it, but it's just ONE factor upon multitudes of them.
OrangeFortress@reddit
r/sayingthesamethingbutworse
bigbadbillyd@reddit
Have you ever had it? I hear it's pretty good.
barryhakker@reddit
You might have to consider sticking it in the other gender’s hole
Eledridan@reddit
You’re doing it wrong then. Sex is awesome.
brightcrayon92@reddit
Depends on your partner and the connection you have with them
AmperDon@reddit
I would assume it's more the gratification of being wanted, someone genuinely enjoying you enough to give their body to you.
Kekeslicious@reddit
Just stop seeing "pussy" as the pinnacle achievement. Just start creating stuff for your own satisfaction and start thinking of women as people and not vaginas.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
where in anything did i imply that you should think of women as vaginas attached to a non-sentient object? you're wilfully misinterpreting what i said. "their own satisfaction" can be jerking off and gaming. if there's no clear path to a relationship, family, and community, they're liable to stop there.
ziggazang@reddit
So rent is free now?
EezoVitamonster@reddit
Also... I've seen plenty of women on construction sites as I drive by or working as baristas. The economy is in the tank. If a guy is too depressed to work, someone else is taking that job.
Uncle480@reddit
Holy this I thought I was going crazy, thinking I was the only one in the comments that thought money was a bigger incentive to get a job than pussy. Thanks man
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
NEETbux and mother's domicile
sealpox@reddit
Men want to fuck a lot, but then they see women who also want to fuck a lot and call them whores.
MrCockingFinally@reddit
That is an element of it. More broadly, it's about the rewards for hard work being erased. Not necessarily all men will work hard to get pussy, but almost every man will work his ass off for a wife and child, and that is even more out of reach. Not to mention a house of your own, hobbies, nice car. It's literally fucking unattainable.
And yeah, when you stop caring about anything, and just cry to survive, life is pretty damn cheap.
sorryiamnotoriginal@reddit
Family definitely is a hell of a motivating factor but for some dudes its as simple as having a meaningful relationship that will pull them together and push them forward. Its why you see some guys fall into a pit after a breakup and their "motivating force" is gone.
UnconfirmedRooster@reddit
Every year, what Yahtzee Croshaw said at the end of 2009 gets more and more poignant.
"As we move from the 200X's to the 20XX's, hopefully it feels more like we're living in the future rather than a dystopian hellhole where an iPhone has considerably more value than a human life."
Yum-z@reddit
I'd love to see the video where this quote came from, not that it would add anything I just like watching yahtzee's vids whenever i come across them
Everestkid@reddit
I know the other guy has posted a link, but generally any of his end of year "top/bottom/blandest 5" or "awards" (if they're very old) videos are great to watch.
emaugustBRDLC@reddit
Not sure who Yahtzee is but this sounds hilarious
Everestkid@reddit
Oh, man, you're in for a treat then.
Yahtzee is the online username of Ben Croshaw, a video game critic who's been at it since 2007. For much of that time he ran the show Zero Punctuation on The Escapist. The first review he did for The Escapist was Halo 3, on release. That's how long this guy's been at it. Prior to getting picked up by The Escapist, he published two reviews on his personal channel.
The Escapist ended up being a fairly nasty company to work for. Without going into all the details, Croshaw resigned from The Escapist in November 2023 after they fired their editor in chief and now publishes video game reviews in the same style on Fully Ramblomatic, which was the name of his blog before joining The Escapist - different name because The Escapist still owns the naming rights for Zero Punctuation. It's just like Zero Punctuation except it's red instead of yellow and Yahtzee wears a cowboy hat instead of a trilby.
A fully chronological order playlist of all of Yahtzee's reviews can be found here. Fair warning: it is over 900 videos long.
hagamablabla@reddit
https://youtu.be/zHV4XVqnSHE
Last 30 seconds
Melchior94@reddit
"Happy New Year"
PotatoGamer1230@reddit
I tried my ass off, got a girlfriend who I was with for 2 years, we talked and hung out and went out on dates almost day. She got a job at Amazon and started cheating on me the first week she was there. What reason is there for me to try hard to get a relationship when all it takes is one person to fuck up 2 years of my life lol.
vanpeterz@reddit
Because it makes one person also to make your life wonderful. You fucking idiot
AGreasyPorkSandwich@reddit
All of that shit isnt out of reach unless you waste your life away in front of a computer being a weeb.
MrCockingFinally@reddit
Why should going above and beyond get you the bare basics?
You've no doubt put in a lot more than 40 hours a week, and been very strategic with your career moves.
Why does that just get you the minimum when a dude 40 years ago with just a high school diploma could get the same working a 40 hour week?
S0l1dSn4k3101@reddit
you are living the American dream because you get to use your anecdotal experiences to justify your ignorance and feel superior to people who are struggling
real talk, i’m glad you’re doing well, bro, but (just statistically speaking) it had much less to do with your own acumen and effort than with external factors outside of your control. the hard work is necessary, but it alone can never and will never lead to success. that is the core falsity of the American dream
AGreasyPorkSandwich@reddit
Hey man im not going to deny I got lucky some times, but I also worked harder for longer than 95% of people around me, and I was strategic about every move I made.
A lot of people done have that capacity, sure, but also a lot of people just coast and wait for shit to come to them.
S0l1dSn4k3101@reddit
tbh bro, while I still stand by my general point, reading my comment back I’m not entirely sure where the socio-economic commentary ends and the cope begins. it’s really easy to be defeatist about these things and doubt how much influence an individual can have over their own life in the face of so much external uncertainty.
i’m sure your efforts played a greater role in your success than i said originally. a man can get far on just his wiles. maybe it’s a sign for me to take some fucking action lmao
wetwilly2140@reddit
lol the fact that you’re getting downvoted is proof enough that this sub is full of folks who are scared to be uncomfortable
AGreasyPorkSandwich@reddit
Losers
FuckinFlowerFrenzy@reddit
I worked my ass off at Walmart for a year. Nobody told me I even did a good job until my last day, when my manager asked me to come back on holidays.
KraZyGOdOFEccHi@reddit
Big mistake to rely on corpos to appreciate your hard work instead of your youth and limited time
MrMangobrick@reddit
Hey bro, I think you did a good job 👍
IHSV1855@reddit
I mean, this just isn’t true. It’s not at all unattainable. It’s fucking difficult, but it’s not unattainable.
MrCockingFinally@reddit
Let me qualify a few things:
It's not unattainable for everyone. But it has been unattainable for a small but increasing percentage of people for a very long time.
What I am talking about attaining.
A. Own your own home
B. Support a family, spouse and 2-3 kids
C. Retire
D. Everything above to a decent standard. One bed apartment full of mould where everyone sleeps in one room doesn't count. Trailer park doesn't count.
E. All the above in a decent timeframe. Retiring before age 70. Married, with kids and first house age 35.
For a man or woman graduating highschool today, this is unattainable unless you get very lucky or your parents are rich.
The way the average person used to attain these things is to go to university, get a good job, and everything else followed. With the way student loan debt is and the way house prices are, I'm pretty confident in saying the majority of Gen Alpha will never attain these things.
HumanContinuity@reddit
Idk if you meant try or cry here - but it works either way
Odinskriger@reddit
This why I am convinced there is an AI/robot race. It's a perhaps the only option to stop a civilizational collapse.
deanrihpee@reddit
no, no, you got it wrong, you're supposed to go outside, touch the grass and talk to a random girl you don't even know!
s
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
Went outside, touched the grass, talked to a random girl, got rejected and posted on TikTok, comments are saying I'm a creep. what do now bros?
305StonehillDeadbody@reddit
Load the shotgun,kiss the tip of the barrel and sexually press the trigger of the shotgun to make it cum in your mouth
FawkinHell@reddit
Beautiful savagery. Gun cum will be stolen.
MinosML@reddit
CUM
AS YOU ARE
305StonehillDeadbody@reddit
Kurt Cumbain
NasalSnack@reddit
Oh no, bro, who just jizzed?
AGreasyPorkSandwich@reddit
Make sure to use buckshot so you dont fuck that part of your life up, too
ambermage@reddit
Please share more thoughts with the wall.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
bruuuutal bro
AustinLA88@reddit
Nice fanfic
themirso@reddit
Next time take also the pants with you.
RickThiCisbih@reddit
Nobody is giving that kind of stupid ass advice. Most people suggest finding a hobby that allows you to meet people of the opposite sex in-person, which excludes video gaming, chronic masturbation, and bitching about women online.
DannyBright@reddit
Have you never been to a public circlejerk before? Smh 🤦♂️
ambermage@reddit
Not since Boy Scouts.
Shame4Lyfe@reddit
Love taking the boys out every year to the coom rock for a circle jerk initiation into the group. Really makes the troop come together
gustamos@reddit
does reddit count
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
When was the last time you met a woman after university, has a full time job, and consistently goes out to do "hobbies" that aren't, like, just the occasional workout?
RickThiCisbih@reddit
A lot? At my climbing gym, there are more women than men. I’ve met women taking dance classes, martial arts lessons, and certain sports like tennis or badminton. One of my friends met his girlfriend while volunteering. Young women usually have more free time than men for some reason, unless they have kids.
SamYeager1907@reddit
Lol it's hilarious that you are saying this and getting down voted bc the girl I'm with now literally likes rock climbing gym, Latin dance classes and tennis. I don't particularly care for any of those three but fortunately we are both hippies and spend almost all our time together outdoors in the forests, lakes and especially mountains. Ah the joy of living in a place that has all those all around you.
But yeah I mean before she met me (off Tinder) she went to all of those. And she absolutely did like the guys she met at the dance classes. We go dancing now but for specific themed nights or the local artsy club, not choreographed dance classes at which I'm completely hopeless.
People just don't wanna hear solutions here but if you had to go anywhere, the dance classes are definitely the best. I went to one once since they had a 70s night and I love the style of that period, I came dressed up and the instructor was fawning over me even tho I was useless at dancing. I met plenty of girls who would hang around me and chat me up even though I was quite literally the worst dancer, but I was cheerful about it and people like an easygoing person. I was already in a relationship so I didn't pursue anyone, but it was easy to do so because it was like shooting fish in a barrel, the only place where I felt more female attention are weddings (which are absurd, it's the only place where I've seen women get male levels of horny). Dance classes and events usually have way more women than men and the men that visit are older whereas women are of all ages. You'll have 20-something and 40-something women fighting over you, you don't get that feeling very often as a man.
RickThiCisbih@reddit
Thank you, finally someone who gets it. Even if you don’t meet your soulmate at these places, making female friends drastically increases your chance of getting introduced to women who could be interested in you. It’s like they don’t even want any help.
gr1mm5d0tt1@reddit
You’re getting downvoted because what works for some doesn’t work for all.
Also a lot of these men are going late twenties to mid thirties. Young women are generally not going to be their demographic anymore as life changes as you head in to the next decades of your life
RickThiCisbih@reddit
It’s not a question of what works. I’m not saying all women are interested in dating, but acting like women don’t have hobbies or personalities is ridiculous. There are a lot of hobbies where you can meet women, it’s just that some people are allergic to any activities that require leaving the house.
Women are just as starved for companionship as men, and a lot of them hate the exploitative nature of settings like clubs, bars, and dating apps and just want to meet men that share the same interests as them.
goentillsundown@reddit
I also do climbing and dancing, still yet to meet a woman in those hobbies +-10 years my age that doesn't believe in astrology or other poignant red flags.
gr1mm5d0tt1@reddit
Also wine mum to rat doggo
Stupid tattoos
Fashion obsession
Actively interested in you and your life
Actively trying to grow mentally and emotionally
Can hold a somewhat intellectual conversation
Damn unicorn in the dating world in 30’s and 40’s
adamsworstnightmare@reddit
All the actual answers getting downvoted lmao. People here don't want answers they want to bitch.
TurnThatTVOFF@reddit
I've actually been meeting pretty fire chicks at Pokemon Go community events
deanrihpee@reddit
definitely not a "recently", but damn, maybe because it's "video games" that i play after getting home from work or gym in the evening! those people were right!
ProMikeZagurski@reddit
I like playing single player games.
ZombieAlienNinja@reddit
Not my fault women don't like fun hobbies!
deanrihpee@reddit
duh… there's an /s for a reason
RickThiCisbih@reddit
Yeah, but some men haven’t heard the not-dogshit advice so a little PSA doesn’t hurt
PackOfManicJackals@reddit
Not sure why you added the /s? This is literally unironically how it works! Go out into the world, and be a human, amd you'll meet other humans. I think the problem is a lot of lads go out into the world with the intention of meeting a woman, instead of letting it happen naturally. Go outside. Do things. Taste the sunlight, regularly, for yourself if nothing else. Give it a go!
stalineczka@reddit
But the intention is already there
deanrihpee@reddit
well apparently other user say it's a stupid ass advice
So
Raziphaz@reddit
Do you know how completely normal it is to go outside and talk to strangers?
HouseDowningVicodin@reddit
It's a brave new world.
hanzerik@reddit
I don't know about your phrasing, but I do think you're right.
Look at China, where they had the 1 child policy and parents wanted boys so a bunch of them had their daughters adopted away to western countries.
So the male/female is so schewed in some parts that there's a bunch of men who've just given up on the dream of starting a family and gave up. And just keep living like 15yos at their parents place.
Afghan_@reddit
stop feeling sorry for yourself jesus christ
gallopintoYchallah@reddit
Kind of a sad way to live. Just holed up in your room and playing vidja. No wonder depressionrates are sky high.
Romeo9594@reddit
I've been out of the dating pool for a long, long time
But at least from what I've seen vicariously there seems to be a combination of ladies expecting way too much and fellows letting a few rejections turn them into Andrew Tate evangelicals that just further alienates them from women
It's a really sad case of outside looking in
MarcosLuisP97@reddit
Not to mention the standards are through the roof right now when it comes to appearance. And this goes for both parties.
Romeo9594@reddit
I love a person as deeply as I do my long term partner, despite a disparity in physicality. An actual person looks beyond looks, but I understand the sentiment behind trying to make Instagram look as perfect as all the others
MarcosLuisP97@reddit
Oh, I am not saying everyone is superficial, but it is a fact that social media has set a standard that most normal people can't reach, and has distorted the perception of "normal". There's a reason why body dysmorphia is often a cause of high levels of stress, depression and anxiety, especially amongst the youth.
rayschoon@reddit
I think this also leads to a lot of mutual hostility, which just makes everything worse!
oni_no_onii-chan@reddit
"if there's no way to get pussy" but you didn't even try at first?? I think you lost your courage after women thirsting over super handsome men became visible to you via internet.
But you're forgetting thirsting on internet doesn't mean it's your standard and you won't be happy without it. Just like a man thirsting over margot robbie and still can be happiest man with his wife Susan.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
There's a growing number of men who have never had sex in their lives or haven't had sex for a very long time. It's dishonest of you to act as if it's just a couple guys whose standards are too high or that they just never tried.
justinlav@reddit
It’s been like 3 years for me. Wife cheated on me and lives with her new boyfriend now and I can barely pay the bills because I have no one to split them with.
So yeah, what’s the point in even trying when most women want a guy to buy them things and I have literally 0 spare income to spend for that.
The very first time I went out to the bar and started talking to a single woman, her friend came up to me mid conversation and demanded to know what I have to offer her. Super fucking awkward and embarrassing
S0l1dSn4k3101@reddit
yo bro, regarding your wife, i just wanna say im really fucking sorry. i know what i’ve done in related situations, can’t even begin to fathom what you went through with that
MysticalMike2@reddit
They'll just move in immigrants to replace those guys that don't want to work the roads, H2B dawg
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
and then those immigrants' children will be raised in the same society that led to the original guys tapping out
S0l1dSn4k3101@reddit
yeah but the point is that it’ll be the next generations problem
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
can-kickers unite
CygnusSong@reddit
How do we fix this when so many men have such wretched unfuckable personalities?
S0l1dSn4k3101@reddit
this comments kinda ass but i lowkey agree with your unsubstantiated suspicions about the kirk false flag thing
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
most genuine and least bad faith comment from a 2014 account
joe_mlg_pro_@reddit
Im an awkward dude, look very average, bit overweight ect. Since I turned 16 and I started actually talking to the women out of genuine interest and not just seeing women as potential partners. I quite quickly started getting in relationships with people I genuinely liked hanging out with. All it takes is being genuine.
DragonSphereZ@reddit
Maintaining the roads is a job. You do it for money. It’s fits into that “cheap dopamine and survival” category.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
not if youre a NEETbuxer
TheGreatZephyr@reddit
Yeah... women hugely undervalue their influence on men. Even general social behaviour changes are influenced by being selective about who gets to have sex.
Unfortunately instead of the kind and caring male figures, women often go for the exciting more badboy types which are the guys who get the most girls anyway.
If a kind and shy guy never gets attention from women but he sees the guy who treats women like shit get heaps of attention, he'll either drop out of the race entirely or try become more like the guy getting attention, creating more men who treat women poorly.
When in the past the rule was no hookups at all and to get sex you needed to marry a woman, you had a lot more chivalrous men proposing within a month of meeting. Now you fuck on the first tinder date and take 5 years to propose (if they do, which largely only happens if the woman puts pressure on the guy to ask).
bulbous_plant@reddit
Jesus fucking Christ this sub has never had sex and you can tell. It’s put so high on a oedastal it’s not funny.
RightBehindY-o-u@reddit
I've never done it (with a woman), but when Western society treats you like a social outcast for not being able to get laid, of course a lot of people will put it on a pedestal. For some reason if a guy is still a virgin after a certain age, people see it as a red flag. Something must be wrong with him. "What's his problem?" This only further isolates them from their peers and is why they're even more desperate to get laid.
bulbous_plant@reddit
You need new friends bro. No one I associate with would ever treat you like that for not getting laid. I have 30 year old friends who haven’t been, and no one gives a shit
Jimbo-Shrimp@reddit
One of the most famous insults used against men is "you can't get laid" but go off
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
"This is my experience. Surely it's universal and applies to all of society."
We see "incels" get made fun of everyday. You can try and twist it around and say "nooo we only mean Elliot Rodger and his fans that wanna repeal the 19th." But the language itself clearly states that being a virgin of a certain age or being unsuccessful with women makes you a bad and immoral person.
pr1ncesspeaxh@reddit
an incel is not just a virgin. “involuntary celibate” not because they can’t get laid, but that they can’t get laid because of their overbearing, pushy, obnoxious attitude towards women. when a man is coming on you strong and you express disinterest, and suddenly the “you’re so beautiful” turns into “you’re such a cheap fucking whore, you’re fat and ugly anyways” all because you won’t make yourself give it up to someone you’re not interested in, THEN you are labeled as an incel. let’s not twist the meaning here, cause that’s exactly what it is for women
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
an "incel" is whatever you decide it is at the moment you say it. people get called incels for having a disagreement with a woman. if you mean "misogynist," then say "misogynist." but then you'd use that with no consistency as well and you'd have to admit many of the men you'd consider to be misogynist do have relationships and sex with women.
pr1ncesspeaxh@reddit
personally, ive never seen someone called an incel for having a “disagreement” with a woman, unless they were acting like an incel. also, having relationships and sex with women does not disqualify you from being a misogynist.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
"acting like an incel" is so vague that plenty of people will say someone is doing that when they disagree with a woman. i agree on the second point. you can have a universal hatred for women and still have sex with them. so let's stop pretending that incels don't get sex mainly because of their views, especially when a huge chunk of the people who can be classified as incels don't hate women.
pr1ncesspeaxh@reddit
“acting like an incel” may be vague to a man, but the average woman will instantly know exactly the kind of guy i’d be referring to. incels don’t get sex mainly because of their attitude. most of the time, they aren’t even virgins. but they lose a lot of chances because of the way they act. i’d argue a huge chunk of people who can be classified as incels, are exactly the type of person to hate women. i’m glad you’ve never been on the opposite side of dealing with one trying to get into your pants.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
i bet "the average women" youre imagining would call a man an incel for plenty of normal disagreements. saying it's because of their attitude is unfalsifiable because you can tell an ugly 5 foot tall dude his attitude is the reason even if he's a normal guy and we all know the actual reason. you would like to imagine the people struggling with something are evil cuz the world just looks rosier that way.
pr1ncesspeaxh@reddit
lot of assumptions there, bud. i guess you just won’t ever understand. funnily enough, i just asked my boyfriend what kinda guy he’d think i was talking about if i called them an incel, and he said “i don’t know… somebody who hates women and still tries to fuck.” so idk man 🤷🏻♀️ you’re gonna have your views on it, but this conversation seems moot
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
yeah and that's not the only kind of person who gets called an incel. wow your boyfriend agrees with you? no way.
pr1ncesspeaxh@reddit
my boyfriend could logically come up with his own definition of what he thinks an incel is, yes. i hope you have a good one, dude
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
you as well
La_CIA@reddit
She won't respond to this one. None of them will.
m-6277755@reddit
He's talking about potential partners seeing it as a red flag
burner12219@reddit
Your on r/greentext bro. Manage your expectations accordingly. Bro is spitting facts tho
TheMediocreZack@reddit
Unless a man is actually repulsive (physically or psychologically), it shouldn't be that hard to get pussy. I think the big problem a lot of incels have is that they only want to sleep with women they find very attractive, while offering little of the same attractiveness in return, whether that means they're ugly inside and/or out.
Most, if not all, incels I've had the displeasure of talking to are the kind of people who shirk any and all accountability. Women see that and think "This guy's still acting like a little kid who hasn't emotionally matured at all." That's a bigger turnoff to most women than bad BO or an ugly face.
ConceptOfHangxiety@reddit
What an extremely good way of rationalizing evading responsibility for your own abysmal social skills.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
bro just spend ten years in the Charisma Academy and then they'll treat you just like the 6'5 chad broooo its just ur not charismatic enough broooo go to a dnd game bro it totally wont just be men and already spoken for women bro just personalitymax brooo then you can overcome being a 5 foot janitor i dont care that its a societywide issue bro its literally just you as an individual brooo
Richiefur@reddit
not to mention ai cUmpanion is going to get invented in like 2 years.
FailsatFailing@reddit
Lmao, he doesn't know
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
those chatbots be gaining traction man
ABHOR_pod@reddit
I wouldn't say it the way you did, but I do think it's true that the only reason most guys put any effort at all into anything other than their primary hobbies is to be viewed as desirable.
There was definitely a point in my life where I had that internal debate over how much effort I was willing to put into my shitty job, or how much rent I was willing to pay, or how nice a car I needed to have, to be acceptable enough to date.
RenegadeNorth2@reddit
Move to another country. I'm dead serious.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
no im ok
Dio_Landa@reddit
I think men need to change that mentality. How about just doing things for themselves and improving things without needing a woman to motivate them? Yes, women can be motivators, but I don't go to the gym or count my macros for my wife, I do it for myself. I don't stay up working on projects for my wife, I do it for myself. Yes, I can also say I do those things for my wife, but I also do it for myself.
There is a difference between finding a partner and just being horny and wanting to get off some stress.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
i think fish should grow legs and breathe air so they can live with us on land. a lot of men are content to play vidya and eat nuggies, so you could argue they're living for themselves when they choose that lifestyle.
Dio_Landa@reddit
Then why are they unhappy compared to their female counterparts who choose to be single?
If they are not really happy, they are just conforming and building resentment towards everyone else and themselves.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
sometimes people like on surveys man. also, a lot of them are probably feeling shame about their lives that eventually goes away when you decide to NEET and coast. how is it "conforming" to choose a lifestyle that society is pretty universally against?
Amathril@reddit
Bold of you to assume you are part of the "average man" group.
Well, that's a bold flirting strategy, let's see if it pays out.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
Quoting something I literally never said.
Amathril@reddit
Okay. Would you be so kind and explain what you meant by this? Maybe I misunderstood.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
I don't know how to explain that statement further. Just read it again.
Amathril@reddit
That's a strong argument.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
It's not an argument. I just don't understand where you got "riots" from. Is this what you guys call "hearing a dogwhistle"? I said maintaining the roads.
Amathril@reddit
I know, I just did not want you to feel bad about yourself.
I do not know what you mean by that expression or even who "you guys" is.
Are you actually maintaining roads? Is the average guy doing that?
PwncakeIronfarts@reddit
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're asking in good faith.
What dude is saying is that men, as a general rule, need motivation to do anything beyond the bare minimum required for survival. Left completely to their own devices, most men will choose the simplest, least effort path forward for any given situation, whether that's instant ramen for dinner, masturbation for your horniness, or even something as simple as leaving your walls in your home totally empty and devoid of decoration.
One of the biggest motivators for men, again as a general rule, is pussy, but even more than that, a wife and children. It gives me a reason to wake up and do something more than the bare basics in life. In my life, I would NEVER have made it to where I am in my career if I didn't have the motivating factor of my wife at home, and kids in the future. I would never have bothered to lose weight. I'd be a 400lb weirdo, terminally online, probably hating my mom because she won't let me live in her basement, and I'd have 2 roommates with the same attitude.
Without motivation to do otherwise, men simply want the simplest and easiest path to obtain their immediate goal. So when he says they "won't maintain the roads anymore" it's because no men would be motivated to work that hard when they can just do something easier to get their tendies and pay for their porn subscription.
That's not to say every single man is that way, but it is a general rule of thumb for them.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
I feel fine, thanks. Me, personally, no. But I'm pretty sure it's mainly men that maintain the roads.
Amathril@reddit
Well, then it is a pretty empty threat, huh?
You will stop maintaining roads if you do not get sex? Well, that's real bad, then. Let me know when you start with it, then we talk.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
bro thought ts was tuff 🪫
La_CIA@reddit
Who the fuck do you think construction workers are ? What even is your point ?
RicSide@reddit
was shit tier sexist take why cant the fucking woman repair roads and the man enjoy a matcha latte after work? i dont fucking understand? matcha lattes are fantastic? do you also not like boba, is that “woman food” too? do women make bad doctors cus they’re too emotional on their period too? wtf is wrong with your sick little mind?
sbagu3tti@reddit
This might be the saddest thing I've read all day
SEVEREAUTISM420@reddit
This is why I'm a 35 yo turbo virgin
anovatikzzzz@reddit
You are telling it like it's a good thing.
bjokta@reddit
Well I mean if i don‘t try, answers always gonna be „no“. It‘s pretty obvious you won‘t meet a partner by sitting @ home all day and one day she rings your bell and asks u if u want to be with her.
anovatikzzzz@reddit
I mean each has its own. If they are happy with not trying and staying in their room that's fine. But I'd rather be rejected than never try.
I'm 21 and I never had a girlfriend but I tried and I'm still trying, talking to people and stuff. I get demotivated too but knowing that I'm trying feels good.
Booce380@reddit
And i'd rather never try than be rejected. Funny how that works out.
Not because of the tiktok meme reasons many will tell you in this reply section, but because rejection feels like actual death. I don't want to feel death.
Thedoc_tv@reddit
At 21 you should concentrate on your career, not on a wife
bucketbrah247@reddit
Lmao nah. After college, opportunities to meet people drastically drop off.
Snazzysnaj@reddit
This but unironically
Sbotkin@reddit
Why do you think that was said ironically?
Snazzysnaj@reddit
Because 99% of people think that if you're not getting any girls, you're failing at life.
AxelHarver@reddit
I mean, from a biological/evolutionary standpoint, they're not wrong...
Snazzysnaj@reddit
If we go by that logic, sperm donors are like some of the most successfull men of all time.
AxelHarver@reddit
I mean, yeah, kinda... Biologically, our entire purpose is to continue our bloodline. That's why their's so many animals/bugs that frequently/always die after birth. Because evolution doesn't give a shit about much other than passing on your genes to the next generation.
RealDovahkiin@reddit
"0 consequences" not so sure about that part bud
Pepperonidogfart@reddit
"Countless rejections" when you probably made an effort maybe twice in your entire life
Snoo_58305@reddit
They used to call me the cold caller. I could take 30 rejections from decreasingly attractive females in a night to eventually get that deal closed
Curt_Icy@reddit
They used to call me the human dartboard. After I had a few (10+) drinks at the bars, I'd shoot my shot - some nights I'd land a 10, some nights I'd land a 2.
Fellas, it's all about increasing your alcohol consumption, lowering your standards, and continuously shooting your shot!
Provia100F@reddit
Yeah that's the thing, if you don't drink you're screwed.
pelirodri@reddit
Then I guess I’m fucked.
Zaardo@reddit
You could drink
Provia100F@reddit
Same
pelirodri@reddit
I literally drink nothing but water.
flailingsloth@reddit
r/hydrohomies
Everestkid@reddit
More accurately, you are not.
But at least you can always fuck yourself.
pelirodri@reddit
r/Selffuck?
Everestkid@reddit
(meant the good ol' fashioned way with your hands but hey, if it floats your boat...)
pelirodri@reddit
Lol, just kidding.
Everestkid@reddit
*
(meant the good ol' fashioned way with your hands but hey, if it floats your boat...)
Everestkid@reddit
(meant the good ol' fashioned way with your hands but if it floats your boat...)
TurnThatTVOFF@reddit
Nah dude nowadays chicks are super awkward and never drink so you being sober and social is super ++
Icerith@reddit
Yep. My current girlfriend I asked her out the very first time I met her after a short conversation. We're going on a year so far. I would ask out anybody. I liked his muscles? "Want to grab a drink sometime?" I like her hair? "Hey, we should grab a coffee!"
If they said no, then I'd go home, jerk off, and play video games. Its not like I didn't have other things I enjoyed before I met those people.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
not everyone got that bisexual rizz bro
CerifiedHuman0001@reddit
Charisma is a skill that is directly linked to confidence
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
"Now, I'm not saying that any deals were actually closed. But, goddamn, is the resilience commendable."
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
“I mean sure, the long term effects with everyone doing this might cause society to crumble, but when society doesn’t give a shit about you, why should you give a shit about society?”
RelevantMetaUsername@reddit
Eh, it’s already crumbling. If there ends up being a fight to save it I’d rather have nothing to lose.
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
that's based though. if society as a whole doesn't care about you, why should you contribute to maintaining and building it?
Dragonslayer3@reddit
DezXerneas@reddit
Nah, I don't mind contributing my taxes. I just wanna be left alone and allowed to do whatever the fuck I want
Softspokenclark@reddit
you have enlighten me oh great librealhellhole. please share more scriptures with us coomers
0cc1dent@reddit
Nothing wrong with being a self serving hedonist gooner. To each their own. Take my downvoot.
MechwolfMachina@reddit
That don’t sound too manly, but I can see why dudes are adopting this mindset when their role models are all gooners and boomers who hate their wives.
KellyBelly916@reddit
I'm happily married, yet this should be the standard for dating negotiations given what I've seen out there.
IllPosition5081@reddit
Heh. Bunch of surrogate activities that do not fulfill your power process. Real shit though, games and stuff are so instant and there’s no real work required to give you a genuine satisfaction (like working a job that has an observable impact, like as a laborer,) and combined with how our lifespans are longer, we are living more unfulfilling lives crammed with unsatisfying activities that we don’t see meeting women as preferable to games and food and porn.
PrepperBoi@reddit
Dino chicken nuggies*
LemonShark1221@reddit
Typical Reddit Comment
Forbidden-Jutsu-Man@reddit
Yis
Vall3y@reddit
Because it's not 0 consequences, this lifestyle does not lead to happiness
Odd_Plankton_925@reddit
If you think there's no consequences to frying your baseline dopamine requirements by indulging in infinite instant pleasure/gratification then I have some very bad news for you brother. It'll be next to impossible to form meaningful and fulfilling social connections should the opportunity ever arise or to develop better habits should you ever want to change your life around.
Hmccormack@reddit
You should start a podcast
Analoraptor69@reddit
This is the sadest shit that i have read in years.
Nyamii@reddit
untill the crippling depression hits
twotokers@reddit
If you’re getting countless rejections, it’s because of some damning personality flaw you have to work on. Getting a date is stupid easy if you’re just a nice, confident person. Letting yourself be terminally online is definitely not something with zero consequences. Just look at the Kirk assassin and recent MN shooter.
mnonny@reddit
Instant pleasure. 0 consequences. You have an aderall mindset. Need it now. Into the next thing.
Arthur_Burt_Morgan@reddit
Unironically i have said this to my, now, wife.
sobherk@reddit
Chicken nuggets sold me for this life years ago!
TomoeKon@reddit
Unfathomably based
Caligula-6@reddit
I just have literally nothing to talk about. Like yeah if they want to hear about the Horus Heresy then sure, we'll talk for hours. But my god I would literally rather storm the beaches of Normandy then go on a date and sit through a "so uuuuh, what do you do for work" conversation where the other party feels zero social obligation to assist in progressing outside of one or two word non sequiturs.
Raziphaz@reddit
Have you considered dating women you actually like? You don’t HAVE to date people you wouldn’t like talking to
Caligula-6@reddit
I'm not entirely sure I understand your point. You have to go on a first date with someone to figure out if you like them. I don't personally feel like I have much of an issue getting to that point. my personal issue, as mentioned, is once there we're there my brain is only filled with fine dining and breathing. I was mostly being facetious about the other party dealing in non sequiturs, but I do believe that first date small talk (or just like small talk in general) while initially necessary is socially excruciating.
I suppose I take some solace from the rest of this thread in that I don't seem to be alone in feeling this way, but like holy shit man what are you even supposed to talk to strangers about? I talk to my friends about our shared interests, thats easy. But like women so frequently don't seem to have hobbies in the traditional sense and in my opinion kind of lack the innate camaraderie men seem to have with their peers. And thats not meant to be like an attack or criticism, though it is admittedly a broad generalization. Men are interested in things and women are interested in people, and I am just so genuinely disinterested in the personal lives of others. My best friend in the world and I shared a hut together in Iraq and I straight up couldn't tell you what his birthday is, I doubt he knows mine, but we both like the same kind of beer and table top games and thats enough.
suffice to say, Internet stranger that im ranting to, the issue is not so much that im dating people I dont like talking to. Its that I find the social ritual of dating, as a concept, to be unbearable.
Either_Dragonfly_528@reddit
Brother English its not my first language but i refuse to think that a person that can sneak in words like excruciating and camaraderie in a comment cant hold a convo. I cant either lol but i think you just need to find the right one with the right shared interest and you are good to go. Keep looking for it man
stalineczka@reddit
You can be eloquent and just not have much to say
FoamBrick@reddit
Literally me.
Either_Dragonfly_528@reddit
Thats unlikely, things are more correlated than you think. He probably just needs to be stimulated by the right person
Raziphaz@reddit
How are you finding these women to date without talking to them first? I’ve been on first dates with a few people, and each time it happens I already know I can converse with them. Both from dating apps and friend of a friend, I had some normal conversations before ever going on the date.
Kebabranska@reddit
Do you think the Horus heresy could have been avoided if the emperor had basic social skills?
Caligula-6@reddit
Honestly i think there are two answers to that depending on the divinity of the emperor.
1.) The Emperor despite his protests and in favor of the evidence is in fact a god. If this is the case then we can simply chalk up many of his actions to "god works in mysterious ways". Perhaps he wanted the heresy to happen and this is all some long con 4d chess move that will result in the achievement of his goals and the betterment of humanity. In this case we are ants trying to understand the ways of magnifying glasses. The true concept is beyond us, we just know it burns.
2.) The Emperor is not a god but instead just a particularly powerful warlord. This scenario comes with a lot of what ifs and in my opinion the likelihood of the heresy still seems pretty high. If big E isn't a god then hes a petty mechanical, dictatorial, evil bastard. Would not being socially retarded in addition to those other traits help? Yeah probably. At a minimum telling his sons that chaos at least existed and, "you have to resist the draw of the ruinous powers otherwise they'll destroy everything we built" would probably at least have helped. More than flat out going reddit atheist mode and telling them no gods exist period. But the reason I say the heresy still seems pretty likely is at the end of the day, we're still effectively dealing with child soldier demi gods leading legions of super humans. The best thing big E could have done was not build the primarchs to begin with. Lets say big E is a better father, he tells his sons about chaos, they all get some counseling, then what? On a long enough timeline I think Russ starts getting jealous of Horus, hes big mad they have more wolves, he thinks he should be Warmaster, maybe Tzeentch or Khorne are even in his ear, the civil war still breaks out. Or perhaps even more likely Magnus just can't help himself after hearing about an ocean of arcane knowledge out there and all you have to do is bite the apple and he becomes the first to fall. (Some might say Lorgar is one first to fall in this situation but I disagree. I think in a situation where the emperor isn't a spaz to him and he understands the nature of the universe rather than stumbling on it by accident, Lorgar is the most loyal of all of his sons. Eberus probably still falls though.)
TL:DR; No, probably not.
Final_Quit_8220@reddit
Horus Heresy Mentioned! Death to the traitors and glory to The Emperor, beloved by all!
Caligula-6@reddit
Sorry cousin, ave dominus nox.
0rphu@reddit
You just gotta read up on the most recent love island lore to have some common ground
Rymanjan@reddit
I'd rather eat glass
Fiercepaws@reddit
Simply talk about stuff you don't actually like and fabricate your entire persona, surely the proper way to go about it
0rphu@reddit
(It's a joke)
Personally I just don't consider dating anybody who's only capable of talking about reality tv, live music and travel, but unfortunately that seems to be ruling out the majority of single women.
cotxdx@reddit
Literally me. I have no problem finding women, the problem lies with me trying to hold a conversation.
Futureman999@reddit
We all grow up oversold the actual real world compatibility of men and women. It's strange but your mental health really does benefit being in a relationship with a woman, assuming she's not crazy or a horrible person, but it's not really about finding "common ground" or "common interests".
Women generally don't have hobbies and interests that like to talk about a lot like men do. They have complex ever changing webs of relationships with people, many of whom are "frenemies" they don't really like that much, but they spend a lot of time with anyway.....
The rest of the time they mostly sit, and drink, and eat, and talk about...people. Maybe do some shopping or watch reality TV (where people bitch about their complicated relationships)
Weed-Pot@reddit
Is this generalization a pattern that is caused by the disparity between a man and woman's lifestyles, social treatment or is this something innate?
I've thought about it often. The norm is generally that women don't invest too much time into hobbies as much as men do. There are outliers of course, but it's interesting to think about why exactly this occurs.
-Z-3-R-0-@reddit
I have this same problem with dudes tho too lol
Caligula-6@reddit
Try asking him about Warhammer, dude.
godzillahavinastroke@reddit
Man that sucks, only advice I can give here is maybe just trying out more expensive media and stuff you don't normally think about, could find some cool gems and give bit more conversation starters, or maybe talk about what you are passionate about more, like your working field, or cool facts.
TheRealArsonary@reddit
Man if I ever find someone I really hope they'd be someone who would be happy to sit and listen to me rant about Ray tracing for an hour.
Crimson85th@reddit
Well, women are insane now.
MolotovOvickow@reddit
Now that’s just incel talk lmao, come on
chomusuke_cat@reddit
is it really when hundreds of thousands of women have explicitly stated they'd rather be left alone with a literal bear than an average man?
MolotovOvickow@reddit
1 in 4 women in the US have experienced completed or attempted rape in their lifetime…
so it’s understandable why someone might be so afraid of being left alone with a male stranger if the probability is so high, that even being with a literal bear seems safer.
And to count these valid worries as dumbfounded ideas while generalizing saying women have become crazy, mean and egotistical is simply incel behavior, of which this comment section is full of.
ifba_aiskea@reddit
It's 1 in 4 women have experienced sexual harassment, which included "unwanted flirting". Not to mention it was a flawed study in the first place.
CodingCircuitEng@reddit
If you think that way, they always have been?
Got a lot of rejection earlier in my life, I've given up now.. I respect myself more than the "walking on eggshells/satisfying insane demands" that apparently is what gets expected on the dating scene.
I'm now chronically ill, so I understand the current rejections..that has been different earlier, but I never had a girlfriend after my 'highschool sweetheart'.
TL;DR: Dating always has sucked. If you don't want children, there is no point to bow to the societal pressure.
0rphu@reddit
Nah online dating apps have made dating FAR worse. Men outnumber women on apps like 3:1 so they get shit tons of likes, inflating their ego. Out of her pile of likes she matches with a few and start a few discussions until she matches with a disinterested fuckboy that puts in minimal effort, who she then ghost all other matches in favor of. She sleeps with fuckboy on the first date, who then ghosts her to move onto his next one night stand. Then she makes a post asking "what happened to chivalry?", "why do men only want sex?", "why do men lie about wanting long term?", "why are men not interested in actual conversations?", "why does this keep happening to me?", etc.
Basically, women are presented with all the choices and given the ability to dictate the every step of the dating process, yet consistently make the wrong choice by repeatedly choosing the few guys who have hundreds of options.
ButtBuddy_69@reddit
This sort of oversimplified reasoning has existed for decades - far longer than male-dominated dating apps have been around. Is dating harder now than it was before? Absolutely, without a single doubt. Do men who aren't in the top 1% of dating apps still go on dates/have relationships? Definitely. Go to your local mall or grocery store and you'll see guys with girlfriends or wives while also being poor, ugly, short, anything that the alpha male podcasts will tell you is a death wish. Are their girlfriends/wives a 10/10 gigaStacy? Probably not, but we either play with the cards we've been given, or we quit.
GorgeousGamer99@reddit
Lived experience of millions <<<<<<<<< "lmao touch grass incel"
CodingCircuitEng@reddit
That is an invalid generalization IMO. "They" are half of all humans, so blaming them (or dating apps/the times we live in) as a whole is too easy.
My brother is twenty years my senior, Mom said he complained the same as me in the early nineties about "impossibly high standards" from women, before the internet really took off..
Everyone has their baggage, I and my ex-girlfriend included. The time to have children is over for me, for others as well I think.. I could not deal with the problems of my ex eleven years ago, she could not deal with mine, so I ended the relationship.
Today, there are other things in life than empty gratification/family IMO, but it is rare that anybody gets that.
_Empty-R_@reddit
damn. pretty much same. i feel for ya because thats my life. last real thing was a relationship ended by her cheating after influence from some extremely slutty friends that washed 3 years with a planned future down the drain. since then I've tried or got tired of it then rinse repeat. within the past 5 years i only had an extremely pathetic LDR that was entirely on false pretenses (i was the other guy) and I developed an illness thats probably going to see me out of this world.
My biological clock screams at me to find a partner but its just not reasonable or possible. Now though, even if I wanted to the amount of effort it takes to feel well enough to try is getting too hard. At a time when a partner would provide some small measure of peace, I know that my chances of finding anyone worth a damn is basically nil.
TinySchwartz@reddit
And pumped up to think they are all hot shit. Last night at the bar I overheard "I remember when a 5 knew she was a 5 and you could actually have a chance to talk with her, now they're all 10s and too good for you"
thebigautismo@reddit
I blame tinder. Guys swipe right and talk to any she beast that matches.
Guys need to actually have standards and not desperation.
Fiercepaws@reddit
True but also the average girl is much more attractive than the average guy unfortunately
Drewinator@reddit
Are you sure you aren't just more attracted to women
Fiercepaws@reddit
some kind of giga heterosexual? In this day and age? When I said that, I was thinking about the requirements that a woman must have to look good vs the requirements for a dude. As a dude if you dare to be short or bald you're instantly less attractive, then if your face is kinda average, you're basically trash. A woman will not really get confronted with such issues cuz being short isn't an issue for them, being bald is very unlikely as a woman, compared to dudes anyway and then you can have like, some bad genetics for weight but you can definitely find a balance in your diet most of time + workouts and you get to look better and be healthier too
Sunifred@reddit
All women are bi and it shows
MrMangobrick@reddit
What does the average guy look like to you?
JustDontBeFat_GodDam@reddit
Only when they're young. When they get older, it turns the opposite, and wont get better.
idontknowagooduse@reddit
Not really. Maybe she would marginally more attractive if at all. The average person is pretty mid.
Skefson@reddit
I think the problem is two fold, lots of men swipe right on everyone, giving inflated senses of value to women who, in turn, become increasingly selective and then the cycle continues ad nauseum
bexohomo@reddit
or maybe women aren't obligated to talk to you? idk man
PrinceOfCarrots@reddit
I've grown up in the metoo era. I'm not fucking with it.
freelancespy87@reddit
What an odd thing to say.
PrinceOfCarrots@reddit
It's really not. It's what a lot of men in my age group are saying.
freelancespy87@reddit
...And they don't have girlfriends.
PrinceOfCarrots@reddit
Sure. Mostly because modern dating is a circus of garbage.
freelancespy87@reddit
Tell me about it. What's the worst modern dating experience you've had?
PrinceOfCarrots@reddit
Two dates, and then I get hit with "if you loved me, I'd be pregnant by now."
freelancespy87@reddit
Yikes. "If you loved me" is never followed up by anything good.
I once dated a girl who suddenly got into OF, which would have not bothered me, but she invited me to the stream, then proceeded to cuck me to an audience of hundreds of people. Used my name and everything.
PrinceOfCarrots@reddit
Now that's a fat fucking yikes. I personally take a huge issue with how casual terms like "cuck" have become in the public lexicon.
freelancespy87@reddit
Yeah fam, things are dark in the world. Best thing to do is try to brighten it up a bit. Kindness and whimsy help people remember that life is actually worth it.
capybarca@reddit
Brother is this a genuine comment
p00nki@reddit
you have no idea how bad it is. i live in a bit more conservative country (croatia) and ive witnessed this twice, where a guys life (almost) gets turned upside down
doesnt matter if it was consensual, if she regrets it enough or starts hating the guy enough, she can say whatever she wants
thankfully both are not imprisoned because one of those girls had told wildly different stories to different groups of friends, and the other, while drunk, has tried to physically force ME to sleep with her half an hour before another guy… “jumped in”, along with some other circumstantial evidence
but just imagine how many times this happened to guys where there is no evidence of either side and the girl is not so dumb
PrinceOfCarrots@reddit
We are absolutely approaching an era where if the majority of women want a relationship, they'll have to be the ones to make the first move. Which, personally speaking, I don't have an issue with.
p00nki@reddit
from what ive heard, having to do that is such a huge ick to even some of the most liberal women out there. im pretty sure theyd rather have us all die out than to “sink that low”, understandably, because the fact of how demeaning and horrible it must feel to finally build up the courage to ask a girl out, just to be shot down with an “ew” or something, is very pushed under the rug
Jimbo-Shrimp@reddit
I met one woman who made the first move and she chose a guy who cheated twice and she went back to him.
Jimbo-Shrimp@reddit
That's where we are now
0rphu@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/1n3o9i8/a_high_school_football_star_had_the_rape_charge/
SunriseSurprise@reddit
When women think the average guy they don't know is a rapist, that kind of takes the fun out of it.
eruizb_@reddit
Many of these women (not all) are hybristophiliacs. You have the case of Wade Wilson, who literally murdered women for fun, yet you had an army of women drooling over him.
It is both ironic and unfair that these same women consider those criminals or people who tend to exercise evil towards others as a good reliable match; while the average quiet, hard working men label them a "stalker and rapist".
Avraham_Levy@reddit
i guess nobody likes the modern women in the west. in Asia and South America Bars are full and thriving
RED-19@reddit
Damn near impossible to find a western woman without a piece of metal piercing some part of her face, so i don't blame guys for becoming passport bros
Helloscottykitty@reddit
You can't find any in the east also, it's all earrings.
Craiglekinz@reddit
Also most men I talk to are terrified about coming off as a creep and dealing with a false report
PGSylphir@reddit
Spend over 10 years calling men creeps for trying, and telling men women want to be left alone.
10 years later: why men leave us alone? *surprised pikachu face*
AnaIFisher@reddit
You really gonna pretend like creepy men are some sort of rarity or something? Unfortunately I’m sure many of them are trying their best not to be, and their social skills just aren’t great. But there are absolutely plenty dudes that prey on women, especially out in a bar setting.
I’ve never felt personally attacked anytime I hear a woman complaining about creepy men because I don’t believe I’d fall into that category. If you feel like it’s impacting your opportunities then you should be more upset with the guys causing women to feel that way.
Someran_Domguay@reddit
Creepy sometimes depends on their standards of attractiveness, some women have a lower standard, some have a much higher one, I’m assuming most dudes that aren’t 100% confident in their looks aren’t gonna wanna risk talking to a woman because she could end up think they’re creepy.
ZeroLogicGaming1@reddit
who the hell is calling men creeps just for trying to get in a relationship?
Gary_FucKing@reddit
If only they actually listened to what the women were saying when they want to be left alone or to not be creepy. They want to be left alone when they’re just doing their job and are forced to smile at you to earn a living or when they’re getting catcalled by creepy dudes just for walking down the street and they don’t want to be dealing with strangers that immediately turn a situation sexual or send dick pics by the hundreds.
They obviously don’t mean when they’re at a dating event specifically for dating, if you actually listened to them even once, you’d know that.
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
I'm pretty sure they're talking about casual social situations like bars. Happened to me this year with a now former friend on new years. We were all really drunk and she, who told us she had recently broken up with her partner, and I danced on the dance floor for about twenty minutes happily, then grinded on each other for, like, ten seconds. I asked her if she was okay twice and she said both times explicitly "yes" and we were fine the rest of the night.
She got back with her partner the next day and slandered me to our mutual friends saying that I was being forceful and creepy toward her. When asked for any context, knowing I'm not like that at all, she got mad and refused to answer. She broke up again with her partner a couple months later, and we haven't spoken since.
wetwilly2140@reddit
Prolly because they’re fucking creeps lmao
godzillahavinastroke@reddit
Huge chunks aren't actually. Weirdly it seems a whole lot of the fake reports which outnumber the real ones get through, while the real ones where women are actually harmed don't get through, and those assholes and pieces of shit that cause this don't face any consequences. I think the system is just shit
wetwilly2140@reddit
No arguments there. The system is stacked against women who are assaulted - it’s a terrifying time to be a woman. Not just in this case, you can hardly get taken seriously in medicine too as a woman. My wife had gallbladder stones and serious pain from them, and the first doc she went to see blamed it on emotions from her period. I was fucking aghast when she came out of the docs office crying. I had half a mind to march in there with some choice words… needless to say she went and found a new (female) doctor who properly diagnosed her and is doing great now. But it’s tough out there!
TinySchwartz@reddit
A friend of mine said he went on a date recently and was talking about this with the woman he met with. She was apparently shocked to hear this, and that false reports happen and how roughly guys get fucked over from it. She thought it was just some Hollywood trope. But nah man, I know two guys personally that got absolutely fucked by false reports despite no evidence beyond a lady saying a thing they both got convictions and are now destitute. It's absolutely terrifying.
DR_MEPHESTO4ASSES@reddit
Went thru it myself. Psychopathic ex falsely accused me of all kinds of shit. 25k in legal fees to DISPROVE her allegations of ZERO evidence other than a manipulative story she wove. Even my female attorney was buying into some of her more bullshit innocuous claims I told her I didn't do ahead of time (ex said i got caught with booze while trying to be sober, while I hadn't had a drop in a year, was super proud of, which my ex knew but used to twist the knife- my attorney said it wasnt criminal to have a couple drinks, instead of understanding everything my ex was saying was completely fabricated). It sucks going thru it, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Been about a year now since it started, and thankfully most of the legal bullshit is over, aside from trying to recoup a tiny fraction of the money I spent on lawyers. I am having a really hard time even fathominy getting back into dating knowing that anyone, at anytime, with a made up story or a highly twisted narrative can absolutely derail or end someone's life.
Women need to pile on false accusers and rip them to shreds instead of this "believe all women" non-sense, bc it completely fucks over actual victims horribly. Repurcussions for false accusstions should be proportional to the accused crime and cops should tear the fuck into people who try and abuse the legal system. But, itll never happen. It's disgusting.
Rockefellersweater@reddit
Just wanted to say I'm proud of you for your ongoing sobriety and that I'm sorry she put you through that. I hope you're well friend
bexohomo@reddit
Yet at the same time, women who actually rightfully accuse men go no where in the system thanks to the fakes.
godzillahavinastroke@reddit
Yeah, what a shitty system. How can it just let something so obviously fake slip through and shit on some innocent dudes life yet not help any actual fucking victims, so many women do got these bad experiences yet so many don't have any justice.
Craiglekinz@reddit
Glad you’re on the other side
TinySchwartz@reddit
Absolutely agree people need to face harsh repercussions for false accusations. One of those guys was a single father, how two daughters are now foster children. That woman deserves hell for fucking not only his life up, but they're as well.
I'm glad to hear you got out of it but damn I'm sorry that happened to you. What a hellish thing for someone to do.
DR_MEPHESTO4ASSES@reddit
I appreciate it. I'd be lying if I said it didn't solidly fuck me up a bit lol. But I'm much better now, taking it day by day. My condolences to your buddy. Hopefully he can get his kids back one day and they understand what happened was bullshit. They don't deserve all that.
RickThiCisbih@reddit
No matter how much the internet insists otherwise, the statistics show that far more sexual harassment/assault goes unreported than there are false reports. I’ve known a few women who’ve gotten absolutely fucked by men who wouldn’t take no for an answer, including one who lost her job for “not being a team player”. You don’t really realize how prevalent it is until you realize that every girl you hang out with has at least one story of being unable to do anything about being sexually harassed.
loadsofcmen@reddit
Whataboutism at its finest. What you described wasn't really talked about now was it? Of course women get abused and it is good that they can report that, but that is not the problem, the problem are the people who abuse the system and just give false claims. They aren't that many, but they exist.
RickThiCisbih@reddit
You’re just using whataboutism like a gotcha buzzword, valid incidents of sexual harassment is incredibly relevant to false reports of sexual harassment. In fact, by comparing and contrasting both issues, you can easily identify the root of the problem, which is social leverage.
In order for a report to be taken seriously, a woman needs to have a certain amount of social leverage, which can be in the form of group support or an outstanding reputation.
Similarly, a man can easily avoid false (or unfortunately valid) accusations with enough social leverage.
Hence the best way for both sides to address the issue is through the same means: building up their social leverage. So isolated loners have a far greater risk than people who build a rapport and reputation with their peers.
However, you try telling a lonely man that he needs to go out and talk to more people, and he’ll throw the potential for false reports in your face. It’s a chicken and egg situation perpetuated by people who insist men are helpless and can’t do anything. Men have had the leverage in this discussion for 10,000 years, just because the dynamic has shifted a little bit in more progressive communities doesn’t mean that innate leverage is suddenly gone. The system still does more than enough to protect men.
loadsofcmen@reddit
Not really. I like your thought, but it is just false. Reports about abuse get taken wayyyy more seriously if done to a woman.
If a woman reports that she has been abused, it will normally be sided with the woman, and that is the right thing, but this way they can just lie about the incident. I could now talk about how abuse against men isn't taken seriously, but that is another topic. The thing is that it has nothing to do with social leverage. Your friends can't do shit for you if your girlfriend says you hit her and no one will question it too much because you are the one in a thousand that got fucked over, but surely you aren't that unlucky and are likely the abuser. Sure men have and had leverage in a lot of things in society, but that doesn't justify going in the complete opposite direction.
And you can't really say men have the leverage when everything relationship related infront of the court is normally decided to the better of the woman.
DanOfMan1@reddit
so in a sense you’re saying “he was asking for it”
RickThiCisbih@reddit
What? How did you get that from what I said?
Craiglekinz@reddit
3% of men commit half of all repeated rapes and sexual assaults. 6% of men rape.
94% of men don’t do anything.
TinySchwartz@reddit
I agree that is a major problem that desperately needs correcting, but I'm feeling obligated to point out that this is not the topic at hand and can serve to discredit the discussion of men facing unjust convictions.
warcrown@reddit
You bring up an important point but I do not believe the previous commenter made any claims to fake reports outnumbering unreported incidents. Both his observation and your own are likely true.
Anecdotally, I absolutely agree that most men are worried about these things when they are in the dating phase.
Rymanjan@reddit
Having dealt with two women who tried to weaponize their sexuality towards me, I can confirm I don't wanna deal with that again
"This is what you get for sleeping with someone you barely knew" and "I'll just tell the cops you raped me, who are they gonna believe?"
Fuck that shit dude, I'll just jerk off. It ain't worth all that.
yodude4@reddit
Yeah this fade report thing is a tired narrative though - just because people get struck by lightning doesn’t mean we don’t leave the house every day
BlackAxemRanger@reddit
In that exact same logic, I had s bunch of people arguing with me on this same sub about that meme with the girls friend that interrupts her when she says yes to a drink from a guy. Everyone said that a girl is afraid to tell a guy no because he might get angry or violent.
Truth is I agree with you to some extent, you still gotta go about your life despite the risks. But there's a bunch of reasons why I think guys aren't approaching anymore. For one thing, it's fucking hard. I don't ever hear women acknowledge how hard it is to put yourself out there for rejection, especially with strangers. It's hard as hell, so it isn't going to take much to talk us out of it.
On top of that, there has been a culture around shitting on men. Major media will do it openly. I'm not saying there aren't real issues like the metoo movement, but it's gotten too far. Openly hating men has gotten way too accepted, all you have to do is read any comments on a post like this one.
One more thing, I've seen quite a lot of posts complaining about how men aren't approaching as much anymore, and I don't think even one of them has had the idea that maybe women should try to come halfway a little. The idea that the burden be on anyone but the men is too absurd that women would rather make videos complaining then even trying to just start a conversation with a man.
k_donn@reddit
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
If we're talking about a non-culture war answer. It's a combination of the following factors, some of which are self-perpetuating loops:
Me personally, even as someone earning decent money in a large city, economic conditions have made me wary and fiscally conservative (I try to put about 2/3s of my post rent salary in stocks/tax shielded savings accounts/misc saving accounts). My work and hobbies are very male dominated, and that's fine. I've made my peace with that. I don't expect a partner to fall into my lap. So I see dating as something I have to actively allocate time and money into, so I pick and choose when I engage with it, and often, that's just not a lot of the year at this stage in life.
BambinoSteezy@reddit
This is the best answer. The overlap of everyone is struggling under Capitalism and patriarchy.
SillyGoose_Syndrome@reddit
That, or no bugger can afford to at least go out and get shitfaced any more.
BambinoSteezy@reddit
That's the capitalism part lol
justV_2077@reddit
How do I improve my vocabulary and expression so it goes from "I can talk in English" to "I can express myself like in this post" ? (Note: I'm not a native English speaker)
StevesHair1212@reddit
Read newspapers like the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and the Atlantic. You don’t have to agree with them, thats not the point. They are written to the early high school (15 year old) reading level for accessibility so they will write like people actually express themselves irl.
Message boards like reddit, 4chan, and twitter will write by schizophrenics trying to make a tagline or an inside joke that only their in-group will understand. It’s great for learning the basics of a language but terrible for actual everyday use.
The best way to learn cadence and the intangibles of a language is to watch quality TV and movies. NOT marvel movies or other internet style writing like New Girl that sound like a 2013 reddit threads. Podcast are also useful for how normal people talk in everyday situations, just pick a good one lol
As someone who learned a new language as an adult I know it’s a pain in the ass to get over that last hurdle of expressing yourself eloquently. Immersion and necessity is the only true way, best of luck
dezzybonthebeat@reddit
Wow, another man with ctual common sense. Crazy to see in the wild.
Glad to see not all of us have fallen into the desperation of hatred towards women for being an incel, lol.
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
Woah woah woah where did I say that?
~~Joking~~
apzlsoxk@reddit
The atomization is a massive factor that I don't think most people are aware of. I went to a yoga class with my wife, and it was 70% single hotties. Never even crossed my mind that there's that many hot singles in my area.
KraZyGOdOFEccHi@reddit
Unfortunatlely, thats just not the place to go and pick up dates unless you're a smokeshow 10/10 gigachad
apzlsoxk@reddit
Nah even then, I thought it was really not appropriate to do at a place like that. I was just saying that the atomization is real and significant.
Felix8XD@reddit
Theres a problem with the yoga classes full of hotties. If you go there with the intention of dating, you would instantly be labled a creep who just wants to hit on people. Also i have the agility of an easter island head
Xalyia-@reddit
Exactly, some women have explicitly stated to NOT hit on them at the gym / yoga as they are just there for a workout, which is totally reasonable. Problem is you don’t know who is or isn’t approachable until you risk asking in the first place. You can try to lean on body language or social cues, but no one can be 100% correct all the time.
So it can make the “find hobbies and meet women” strategy tough to execute.
I_Have_A_Chode@reddit
What do you mean you weren't aware of that many hot singles in your area?! That's what all the ads say don't they!!! /S
-Z-3-R-0-@reddit
Meanwhile almost all the women I see in the gym are there with their BFs lol
TheRealArsonary@reddit
I love this, but every time I saw OLD, I thought you were just randomly calling me old in the middle of the comment. You never defined the acronym. XD
I don't hang out in these parts of the Internet so I didn't know that acronym (or initialism?) before now.
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
Sorry mate, OnLine Dating.
MRA = Men's Right's Activists
F-Lambda@reddit
ah, thought you meant OffLine Dating
xinorez1@reddit
The personal reason you gave is likely the primary reason.
50 percent of all discretionary spending is made by the top 10 percent in the us, and the bottom 40 percent basically don't have any money left over after necessary expenditures like rent, health insurance and debt. That's 40% of people.
Now add in the fact that men are likely to be less well socialized and more suspicious of strangers and I think this explains it entirely, with the other reasons being secondary or supplemental. The men simply don't believe that they can add much to the women's lives, which is not true because companionship with a considerate, like-minded, attractive compatriot can make an otherwise bleak life worth living, for both sexes.
Futureleak@reddit
I think that age also plays a large factor, majority of decent women are coupled off by early 20's and if you miss that wagon, your odds of relationship success fall off a cliff.
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
I don't know about that. That either assumes that there are a significantly higher number "decent men" than "decent women", or that "decent women" are taken by "bad men", in which case, I wouldn't really categorise them as decent, because they lack self awareness to judge good partners.
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
It depends a lot on where you live. I'm 26, and most of my male friends are single, while every woman my friends and family know are married or getting married. I was in an abusive relationship most of college, which was also during COVID, so I totally missed that wagon and now I have no idea what to do. You almost never see any single women around here, there are hardly any women on dating apps but thousands of men, according to my sister - I think it depends on where you are.
I'm a in a medium sized city that could be seen as moderately conservative in climate, as well as having a local university that's very good for engineering and med. If you're a 20 year old woman and can get with a guy who will be making $60,000 a year minimum the day he graduates, why wouldn't you want to do that and be set for life?
make_reddit_great@reddit
Knock it off pal, I'm trying to jump to conclusions and make overly broad statements here.
zombieGenm_0x68@reddit
holy truke
Hot-Adhesiveness-418@reddit
Either you get lucky with a confluence of events, you chase nonstop and waste thousands of dollars on dozens of women to try to find the needle in the haystack, or you just live with it, accepting that a relationship might not actually be something that you should expect to have.
Number 3 is increasingly more prolific
Capital_Captain_796@reddit
Social media, podcasts, YouTube are all rife with women strongly preferring that a man make $100k+ before they would even consider going on a date with him, majority of men do not make this much, hence feel inadequate or that they are pre rejected. Also getting denied can feel quite bad depending on how it happens and it’s a bad feeling we seek to avoid. I’ve been denied in some pretty painful ways before. I’ve also gotten tons of pussy so I have no idea what women actually want.
SEVEREAUTISM420@reddit
How do they even know how much someone makes? I make 165k but drive a beat up corolla lol, unless they're asking after swiping how would they possibly know who makes 6 figs
Capital_Captain_796@reddit
Every salary in every industry is easily googlable.
SpyX2@reddit
Did the study say what percentage of women have asked a man out? I feel like that's important to know for comparison.
Few-Frosting-4213@reddit
Are we gonna support any of the assertions being made or...?
Icerith@reddit
What? I go to a cleaning every 6 months, my dentist doesn't put me under. Are you getting put under? Lmao
CircleWithSprinkles@reddit
It's because you don't bite the hygienist when they tell you to stop fidgeting.
Icerith@reddit
That's right. As soon as they put the utensils in my mouth, I start gnawing on them like I eat metal.
CDanger@reddit
LOL he must be giving you the works, you don’t even remember him administering the anesthesia?
The trauma combined with retrograde amnesia from the drugs mean you are probably having more dentist appointments than you know about, glad you can at least remember 2/3 of them. He must like you. Sorry that your poops have been different.
bigbadbillyd@reddit
He never goes to the dentist because he's afraid of getting molested. He wouldn't know.
LuigiBamba@reddit
I go to the dentist every month and I've yet to get molested 😔
bigbadbillyd@reddit
Just like me at Catholic Sunday school. Some boys get all the luck :(
ambermage@reddit
Instructions unclear
I've been getting topped this whole time.
ItsImNotAnonymous@reddit
And you have been paying someone to top you too.
mrcrabs6464@reddit
Now hold on what gross lolcow gets cavities every 6 months
thesurfer1996@reddit
Easy there Tim Watley
darthmemeios14@reddit
huffs nitrous to test it
No-Play2726@reddit
Is this some third world thing that I'm too European to understand? Why would a dentist put you to sleep?
KnownAsAnother@reddit
What kind of sex offender dentist do you go to?
Few-Frosting-4213@reddit
Have you seen the security footage of when they put you under? Do they not have cameras inside the room because of HIPPA, or was HIPPA invented so doctors can molest you without leaving behind evidence?
KnownAsAnother@reddit
You didn't answer my question
Weewoes@reddit
Why are you being put to sleep for a filling?
BlackAxemRanger@reddit
Are you asking the random anon on 4chan to cite his sources? You know you aren't on 4chan right now and he's not going to see this?
Few-Frosting-4213@reddit
It was meant to be rhetorical.
Women complaining about men not approaching anymore is usually speaking out of their experience. It could just be the way the post was cropped, but when there's a supposed statistic at the top, it gives off the impression that the rest of the points are meant to be taken as fact.
BlackAxemRanger@reddit
I like the actually lol let me try. I think your points are just competely wrong.
This is meant to be rhetorical btw, don't respond to the rhetorical statement, just accept you're wrong.
Few-Frosting-4213@reddit
What? I said it was rhetorical to explain that I wasn't expecting the 4chan anon to reply, not trying to refute anything.
BlackAxemRanger@reddit
That's kinda my point, you would think that this sub would not attract people who take issue with the stuff posted on 4chan, but that actually seems to be the majority. Most posts I see on here tend to be people saying how the poster is wrong or even stupid, and I think they actually prefer that there will be no defense or rebuttal given
Sangwiny@reddit
My dentist is this hot Ukrainian milf with bit tits. I sure hope she's the 90%.
reddsht@reddit
I too chose to get pegged by this guy's hot Ukrainian big tiddy milf dentist, while I'm unconsciousm
TurnThatTVOFF@reddit
I don't even have to be unconscious for this one.
PofanWasTaken@reddit
What's her @
hewhoziko53@reddit
Following
reddsht@reddit
9/10 dentists
Dangerjayne@reddit
We just gotta figure out how to get the other 10% on board and our nation can finally heal
Plental-Dan@reddit
1 out of 10 dentists...
PrinceOfCarrots@reddit
That other 10% better give me a goddamn refund.
bishsticksandfrites@reddit
I know this is a joke, but no way someone who needs cavities filling every six months is getting molested.
That’s some true methhead level of dental hygiene. And I say that as a Brit.
Eledridan@reddit
So we need to encourage men to regularly see the dentist?
ambermage@reddit
Silver lining I guess
nanneryeeter@reddit
Who the hell gets put to sleep for cavities and who is getting cavities filled every six months?
ITinnedUrMumLastNigh@reddit
My dentist doesn't put me to sleep, he rests his nuts on my elbow every time tho
Craiglekinz@reddit
I’m the 10th dentist. Can confirm
Glass_Ad_7246@reddit
9/10 dentists DON'T recommend this
The_prophet212@reddit
Molest is strong. I simple fo the honker honker awoooga on some man boobs. Does that make me a monster? That's for the Hague to decide
BigHatPat@reddit
people swallow an average of 8 spiders in their sleep every year
Source(s): dude trust me bro
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
Precisely. 45% of young men surveyed via the internet by this company trying to prove a specific point indicate they aren't asking women out in person. Surely we can extract meaningful data from this!
shellofbiomatter@reddit
Considering how expensive it is, they better add in extra services.
soobnar@reddit
you know 90% of gambling addicts quite right before they hit it big
Mesarthim1349@reddit
The concept that a lotta dudes don't get laid much isn't too far fetched
Ecstatic-Compote-595@reddit
if he managed to get in while I was awake and having my tooth pulled out, more power to him.
Ablette531@reddit
I never take the gas at the dentist. Haven't been molested by a dentist ever 😎
below_the_lights@reddit
I recently asked out a cashier at a grocery store that had been flirting with me for months, just to go on a walk and chat around the area. We are in the same league in attractiveness and it's always been fun banter, and it seemed like she was waiting on me to make the next move. She agreed, said come back later and we can go, so I did and she said she had something come up, but she will text me tomorrow. Never heard from her again, wont look at me at the store now, and I'm trying not to go often so I'm not creepy I guess. I was about as confident as I could be going into it, and am extremely confused now. I can see how going to an event with that type of interaction happening over and over again could be something people wouldn't want to expose themselves to.
LiterallyAPidgeon@reddit
you make a good point here in that you don't even know what went sideways, so you can't use it as a learning experience and change things for a next time. it's immensely frustrating to not even be able to get feedback
below_the_lights@reddit
And the amount of time I spent until I was as sure as I could get before trying was significant. I wouldn't have continued if I felt any one was uncomfortable and consenting to the attention, making sure it was reciprocal, etc. And I would have taken 'No, I'm not interested in anything personal' and would have been happy to move along. Now I'm just more lost than anything.
RageWynd@reddit
I'm taken but when I was single I just didn't have the energy or motivation to go out there.
Was more comfortable staying at home and v enjoying my peace and quiet.
Shootemout@reddit
every speed dating event i went to contained women that were exclusively 40 and up. i would normally not have an issue with that but at the time i was looking for someone to date not to fuck
Weregent@reddit
"Don't teach a man to fish. It wastes your time and fishing is not that hard." - Ron Swanson.
If you want sex, actually seek a relationship with a woman. If you don't want a relationship with a woman but still want sex try men because your probably gay.
DJfetusface@reddit
When I was single, there were usually more dudes than chicks at speed dating events. I only went to a few of them though.
I met my girlfriend of almost three years at one, and we're planning to live together soon 😌.
I say this though, but ive had some good success when hanging out at bars when I was single. Usually im not looking to get laid, and most of the time I didnt. But every once in a while you meet someone thats into you.
I think the issue has multiple prongs, honestly. One major issue is men have an expectation that they'll get laid if they hit up a club or bar. Tons of movies and TV shows told me that its a guaranteed way of getting laid when I was a teen, that I legitimately thought it would happen that way. Turning 21 was an eye opener when it wasnt.
The next is social media and the internet has simply rotted some people's brains. Some people dont even know how to talk in person any more because our conversations happen mostly online now.
Lastly, and I think this has been an issue thats been going on forever, is, men lie. A lot of guys will brag about all the sex they've had and women they've been with. It makes other men feel inadequate and give up on trying entirely.
Im an internet stranger, and theres no way you would know if I was being truthful when I told you ive had plenty of sex with women I met at bars or going out. Its literally "trust me bro". But I could go out and tell enough people that at least a few guys will feel inadequate and give up on trying to have sex, and opt for quick and fast dopamine.
LiterallyAPidgeon@reddit
Which speed dating corporation made this thread?
MUmyrmidon032@reddit
Better question - what happened to the women?
chomusuke_cat@reddit
Hypergamy. In other words, they're doing just fine. Most raised their standards on how attractive (and most importantly, tall) a man needs to be to an unrealistic degree because they have nigh infinite options nowadays thanks to the internet
patapongtao@reddit
FawkinHell@reddit
The relationship Anhedonia of the young fellow's is truly sad. 18 years old boys don't even chase girls anymore.. They just checked out. Can we blame them tho ?
Forward_Motion17@reddit
The last time I asked a girl out irl, I got shit for doing it.
Left my number on her receipt after she served me at a restaurant and her friends texted my brother (mutuals) to tell him to tell me that it’s inappropriate to ask someone out while they’re at work lmao
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
Making your entire self worth and motivation dependent on validation by someone else sounds like a fucked up way to live your life. I don’t think that’s a very healthy mindset to have tbh.
TedIsReal@reddit
this is where the complaining starts when you develop this mindset. Rejection is a part of life unfortunately. I got to the point where it felt like dating apps were like job applications. When all you do is focus on trying to match with people, you are going to lose yourself. It's important to focus on yourself above all else.
NervousHovercraft@reddit
True, but it's a crushing feeling to were never good enough to be in a relationship with... Humans aren't meant to be alone and getting rejected all your life is one big red flag if you tell that on a date. It creates a negative feedback loop on your self worth.
Opposite_Dimension27@reddit
Estrogen
Old_Chamberlain@reddit
Men have lost faith…
cotxdx@reddit
There are actually single women???
To quote from another greentext, it is always as if they are always pre-packaged with their own boyfriends at this point.
Those "single" women that we see have their own mental issues to deal with.
dust2009@reddit
so true. honestly idk what to do anymore. asked out 14 girls at work and 12 of them had boyfriends/were married. the other 2 were just crazy
Arrancar05@reddit
At work? Hope you work at mcD or something cause that might get your reputation on a decline and you might be on your way out if the HR gets a whiff of this
dust2009@reddit
the fuck is wrong with you? People date at my job all the time and literally work in pairs sometimes. Speak for your own workplace
Arrancar05@reddit
It simply isn't in your best interest. You date to check compatibility. What happens after a month and you guys realise you can't stand each other? Gonna switch departments then? You unnecessarily bring tension into a place where you should be earning not stressing.
dust2009@reddit
a lot of people work there. it’s a big place. it’s easy to avoid anyone you don’t want to interact with.
-Z-3-R-0-@reddit
Stay in their orbit until they break up lol
dust2009@reddit
i did. one of them instantly got a new boyfriend without giving me a chance whatsoever, knowing i liked her
Zuckerbergknowsonly@reddit
JohnWangDoe@reddit
women are never single, you have to get your game up
dust2009@reddit
what’s interesting is that i never really had trouble with that in my home country. it’s just american women that seem to be really difficult to get for no reason
EntryLevelOne@reddit
I obviously can't speak for all, but I've heard from some women that they just lie about being in a relationship to shoo away undesirables
JohnTHICC22@reddit
I think that was just OP getting rejected
JohnWangDoe@reddit
single women are never single
PrinceOfCarrots@reddit
Goddamn Chri-Chan and that fucking boyfriend-free girl quotient coming back to haunt us all.
Top_Boysenberry_6552@reddit
chat should I just kms?
AustralianSilly@reddit
I
erroredhcker@reddit
one?
SonTyp_OhneNamen@reddit
Yeah bro, read further, there’s like 50 more bad chapters and then the book ends, isn’t that fun?
ImVeryChil@reddit
man
ItsImNotAnonymous@reddit
This is the absolute truth
wsdpii@reddit
How many bad chapters before we call it quits tho?
Hell, my life isn't even that bad right now, but I've struggled so much with mental health in the past that I know one day I'm going to end up as another "service-member kills themselves" statistic. It's always at the back of my mind, and nobody can stay strong forever. Eventually every stone erodes away.
That's my depressed rant done for the day.
Irorak@reddit
Bro I felt like this for like a decade. Around like 16ish to 26ish, especially in my 20's, I was so depressed. I thought about an heroing pretty much every day but didn't because it would hurt my family and I have exotic lizards that other people couldn't/wouldn't be able to take care of.
Then around age 27 or so, poof it went away. Stopped taking SSRI's a few months later. Nothing in my life changed, I just somehow wasn't sad anymore. Now I'm so happy most of the time. Pretty much every day is a good day.
I took a lot of psychedelics (mostly LSD), still do every once and a while, I think that was the catalyst that made me better. Psychs can allow different areas of your brain to connect that otherwise wouldn't, they form new neural pathways.
I think it just made me realize I don't need to feel sad, and that feeling sad is dumb. Of course there are things that can make you sad, but feeling sad all the time is fuckin dumb and my brain refuses to do that any longer.
I also found a strong love for PSG, the football club. I watched them before then sporadically but I started following them closely and watching every game around age 26/27 (I'm 29 now). Gave me something to look forward to pretty much every week.
Tldr - maybe look into LSD, or PSG.
wsdpii@reddit
Random military drug tests make that a risky venture.
Irorak@reddit
Oh I didn't realize you were still in the military. It might not have been the psychs though, maybe I just got better?
Idk but I'm just saying its definitely possible. The same thing could very well happen to you too.
Also, just saying LSD doesn't show up on standard 5 or 10 panel drug tests and needs a specialized test. Also if one of these tests were done, it only is present in urine for 5 days or less. Not recommending it given your job, but just saying!
mrmcbreakfast@reddit
i spent like 4 months this summer trying to build my confidence up and make choices that would be conducive to a healthy mindset just to have it all dashed in like 30 minutes last night and i've never felt worse. i feel you man i can't keep going through these cycles it just hurts so bad
RickThiCisbih@reddit
What were you building in those 4 months, a house of cards?
I’m not a fan of these manosphere con artists like Tate or JPeterson, but one good thing these fuckheads have done is convince men that validation comes from within. Of course, men could also learn that from actually wise philosophers and not these grifters preying on lonely men.
If you build all your self-worth on the approval of others, you’re handing all the power and control to strangers who don’t give a shit about you. Yeah, external factors matter, but if you know your own objective value, then the subjective opinions of others can’t ever tear you down.
Fiercepaws@reddit
I tried for years but I've come to learn that I absolutely despise myself no matter what. Sometimes you're just built like that I guess
mrmcbreakfast@reddit
all excellent points, i can't deny the logic. i have been trying to work on learning my own self worth, and i honestly had thought i was doing a semi-decent job until last night. i do have a therapist who has been helping me so i'm hoping how i'm feeling this morning - raw and hurt - is just a momentary dip on an otherwise consistent upward trend
haojifu@reddit
Hey man, I know how you feel. It sucks super hard to feel like you've lost lots of progress like that, but the truth is you never really lose it. It's foundation level work you're doing.
Also just want to say your self worth is inherent, you don't have to earn it you are good enough by the very essence of your being. Having gone through similar struggles I really recommend giving meditation a try. Just 15 minutes a day of focusing on your breath works wonders doesn't have to be fancy
soiboi64@reddit
I recommend that you talk to a counselor about developing some changes to how you react to things. I had the same mindset a long time ago and it was terrible. Now, with some techniques, i respond to adversity better. Their is CBT, CDT and breathing and thought techniques that can help. I hope this helps you, i really do. I've never been happier in my life and I'm tangled up in a nasty business situation with Friends and family that's hurtful.
mrmcbreakfast@reddit
thanks man, i do have a therapist i see every other week which has helped
pavlad1234@reddit
Unironically needed that. Thanks g
AustralianSilly@reddit
<3
Unironicfan@reddit
Great advice, mr cat.
harveyshinanigan@reddit
uni :3
Frost5574@reddit
Thanks Maxwell
Frigoris13@reddit
Just because you keep going, doesn't mean you'll succeed.
Q_dawgg@reddit
These bitches love Sosa
Sbotkin@reddit
When's the good chapters coming?
Nand-Monad-Nor@reddit
this was posted by a Pain demon that sustains itself on the agony of the wicked.
Top_Boysenberry_6552@reddit
thanks chief keef
AustralianSilly@reddit
<3
Have a good day, mate
305StonehillDeadbody@reddit
dust2009@reddit
this pic makes me feel like it’s 2017 again
305StonehillDeadbody@reddit
2017 was 17 years ago
WeirdGuyWithABoner@reddit
lust provoking image
Tit__-Burglar@reddit
yo tf is this shit man
305StonehillDeadbody@reddit
jiajia_92@reddit
https://i.redd.it/5yzoow6tbzof1.gif
kinky38@reddit
General_Ric@reddit
Unironicfan@reddit
slowkid68@reddit
forgettfulthinker@reddit
Just a little bit
Level34MafiaBoss@reddit
shellofbiomatter@reddit
shellofbiomatter@reddit
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Theghost129@reddit
Im blaming the guys on this one.
LITERALLY HALF?? Come on guys. You like risk taking in video games, just do the same thing irl
RED-19@reddit
Risk taking in video games doesn't come with possibly disastrous outcomes to your real life, you know? Absolutely terrible analogy
slowkid68@reddit
I gain literally nothing out of a relationship. Maybe it's like you can only miss what you've experienced or something? Or maybe people are scared of dying alone?
I can do literally everything by myself or via friends. If you're horny jerk off or if you're lonely get a pet.
RED-19@reddit
You absolutely CAN miss what you never had if you're exposed to it enough. I stopped consuming media that has themes of romance in it because it just makes me so goddamn depressed that i never got to and probably will never get to experience something like that. Hell, i even gradually stopped talking to married friends for that reason. It's like a constant reminder of your failures
Mr_Ios@reddit
Real answer? Are you ready for it?
Being stuck on reddit and social media and having minimal human interaction keeps your charisma stat down.
Low charisma = near to no chance to get girls.
PYR4MIDHEAD@reddit
I put all my points into str and int.
AaronsAaAardvarks@reddit
Oof, WIS is the better stat for anything involving other people. “This guy makes a lot of good decisions” is way better than “this guy knows how to perform a laryngextomy on a duck.
RED-19@reddit
I personally haven't met many people that make wise decisions, it's not a factor for social success lol. You just gotta be likeable, and that doesn't need to go hand in hand with wisdom
PYR4MIDHEAD@reddit
Not popular with people but ducks love me.
Peen_Round_4371@reddit
Not to mention unless you're hot or she's actively seeking, you're likely to be another "ew thus creep walked up to me when I was minding my business" ick.
I'm tired of all the silly stupid games. At this point going caveman and using a rock seems like the healthier alternative
dzernumbrd@reddit
they are worried if they get a woman they'll lose their comrades in the incel subreddits
Arrancar05@reddit
Maybe the women that are too pretentious/ugly to use a dating app are actually attending these events and realising that no one wants them.
Just use a dating app folks. Stop going to these bs events that are a waste of time.
-sincerely a guy with no likes on any dating app including facebook
yungjazz@reddit
Girls are mean and we are afraid of them
RecordEnvironmental4@reddit
Mutual friends is definitely the best way to meet people, and if they get along with your friend odds are pretty good you will get along with them also
Charcharles4@reddit
My friends don't seem to have any friends other than my friends 😔
Shaponja@reddit
My friends don't give a shit about introducing me to someone 😔
throwaway_random0@reddit
My friends are all guys and they are more cooked than I am
standingpretty@reddit
I’ve also heard that the guys who go to the speed dating are still desired. People act like they are desperate for even showing up.
I hate how there’s been a collective brainwashing for women to be icked out by normal or innocuous male behavior.
tsakeboya@reddit
2-3 decades of social brainwashing from the youngest possible ages tends to do that 😔
decseptic@reddit
Ah yes the three avenues of meeting other humans: bars, clubs and speed dating.
The real world isn't like this
Scorkami@reddit
i feel like bars are kind of "old fashioned" with newer generations. what do i talk about with people whose only common interest so far is having bought a beer?.
clubs and speed dating are a mixed bag. speed dating becomes very "who can look the hottest in 3 minutes despite being an absolute piece of shit" and clubs are a mix of "do i even have anything in common with those people" and "everyone is trying to get laid, ON TOP of people who actually just wanna dance and let loose, likely, with their friends.
in terms of meeting new people and forming anything between casual and very deep friendships, i had the most luck with going to gatherings for people of a specific niche. if the club has a theme night where they only play jazz, and you like jazz, you will find more like minded people than just going on any random night. going to a convention also has higher odds of just finding people who like the thing you like, depending on your interests of course.
i feel like you gotta focus more on finding "your" people, rather than "people". 90% of people you meet will not be what you look for in a partner, or maybe even in a friend. dont widen your net, tighten it
tsakeboya@reddit
The niche thing only works in places with a huge population.
I've lived the last 18 years in a town with 10k people. 99% of people have exactly the same cookie cutter "personality", and the 1% that don't aren't into me. I'm lucky enough I found a FEW friends I fw, I could never fathom finding a woman I genuinely fw over here.
not_the_hamburglar@reddit
But that's the thing, I've been to a lot of concerts and conventions (since I hate bars and clubs even though this town is known for it) and no girl is looking to talk to another person let alone about dating they just want to be cosplaying and shopping or listening to music without having guys asking them out. It is super hard nowadays since girls control who and how the interaction goes and now with social media now guys must meet many criteria than just having a job like our grandparents only had to do. Now Bill from Canada DM'd wants to fly out the girl you were interested in, what, don't have money to go on a trip to Canada? Just lost the girl, is the game that we have to play today.
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
Well, if none of your friends or family know any women who are single, and there's really no meetup groups in your area, what do you do?
YardHunter@reddit
You get a hobby or socialise with some other people ? It’s really not that deep but terminally online people can’t fathom doing something on their own
Skeptical_Sushi@reddit
Is that a woman doubting and belittling the struggles of men without ever having lived as a man? Could you be part of the problem? Hm.
tsakeboya@reddit
Many such cases
La_CIA@reddit
You're on 4Chan, hearthstone an League of Legends. My boy, don't act like you go outside for goodboypoints
drinkingcarrots@reddit
🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Jimbo-Shrimp@reddit
If you're getting into a hobby just to get laid you're cringe.
deanrihpee@reddit
"it's not that deep"
sure, keep using those words when not everyone is terminally online but still have the same struggle
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
I have an active social life, workout four days a week, and pretty much all the hobby hangouts around here closed with COVID, or only other lonely guys go to them
reddsht@reddit
Get a hobby, go to events, do actual things in real life, and talk to the people there.
ProMikeZagurski@reddit
My friends were smart enough not to help me meet anyone who's single.
Robin0112@reddit
I asked my first girl out the other night and she said yes! We had dinner and it went great. Few days later she tells me she isnt ready for a relationship. Finding a girl who's single and interested enough to go out is next to impossible. Glad I had the experience though
romulusnr@reddit
Speed dating doesn't attract men anymore because men realized the women aren't serious about it and only do it for fun.
Or they're psycho
wafflepiezz@reddit
Only in America btw.
There is a huge cultural shift towards misandry among American women, and people in the US are still blaming men. Amazing.
theyeshman@reddit
Holy shit the younger generation is actually pathetic, it's not just my hindsight goggle view of them.
zodlair@reddit
If I had to guess then I would say that it's getting more expensive to go to clubs and bars, and men are usually expected to pay for drinks or meals, since everyone is broke you just don't see men at bars or clubs as much as you used to. I'm sure there's some other reasons but I think this is the biggest one.
SwynFlu@reddit
Most speed dating meetups I've heard (I've never actually looked them up because I'm not interested) the men have to pay but the women get in for free? What self respecting man is gonna pay to get rejected?
Same with bars: what man is gonna pay for a woman's drink for a halfassed thank you and not even a crumb of action?
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
Dunno where you are, but in the UK at least, pricing is equalised, and women's tickets sell out before men. Male tickets often don't even get sold out.
Not saying that dating pool is necessarily good per se. Given the higher entry they might have higher expectations like height/wealth/etc, but surface level at least, there's more women at these than men.
SwynFlu@reddit
I'm in the UK too and what you said gives me a hope
ExcitableSarcasm@reddit
I dunno which b*tch downvoted me for literally just saying what I see, but this is the main one I've been wanting to go to but I've not had the time yet:
https://www.boredofdatingapps.com/events/
Most events in London that I watch have women's tickets sell out early.
Dark_Knight2000@reddit
I was skeptical but I looked it up and yeah, the female tickets sell out more often than the male ones.
I think they’re in practice less of a singles night and more of a party with their girlfriends. Also since any sexuality is allowed I assume there are some LGBTQ people there.
Also the prices are fair. I assume that any drinks they serve will be marked up a lot though
Gravesh@reddit
As an American who lived in the UK for a couple of years, I find women are much more receptive than American women. Maybe because it was because I was young, or they liked the accent, but I could walk into a pub and find a woman.
xinorez1@reddit
How much do they have to pay?
A small amount is necessary to reward the organizer, and to keep out low effort predators.
YourTypicalSensei@reddit
I'm gonna bite the bait on this one but that's stupid...
Reminds me of my university's gym, which has women-only hours. I understand women's-only spaces especially because of the nasty things some men do, but it's just plain ridiculous if you're making the space exclusive to one gender for 2 hours of the day, when men and women have co-existed in the gym peacefully. I'm probably just really angry because it happened to line up with some free time before a lecture
InquisitorMeow@reddit
Who says you have to buy a drink? If shes just there to bum drinks you don't want her anyway.
Gary_FucKing@reddit
You’re describing a prostitute.
loudaggerer@reddit
Not in the US. One of the easiest law suits because it’s, in all irony, gender discrimination.
-Z-3-R-0-@reddit
Probably have an entry fee to reduce the number of men willing to go, if it was free there'd be more men and they'd be outnumbering the women a lot more significantly I'd imagine
xinorez1@reddit
A fairly large percentage of men are broker than you may expect and lack the life skills / experience to move forward.
50 percent of all discretionary spending is done by the top 10 percent in the us, and the bottom 40 percent basically don't have any money left over at all after necessary expenditures like rent, health insurance and debt. That's 40% of people in the us.
Now add in the fact that men are less likely to be well socialized and are more suspicious of strangers and I think this explains it entirely, with the other reasons being secondary or supplemental. The men simply don't believe that they can add much to women's lives, which is not true because companionship with a considerate, like-minded, attractive compatriot can make an otherwise bleak life worth living, for both sexes.
I do think that a lack of social / life skills is to blame though. With proper life skills or experience, one would know not to count ones self out before being rejected, and give ones self a chance, and also they would know from experience engaging with the unfamiliar that usually things are not as bad as one may think.
The problem with an easy life is that people lack opportunities to find out what surviving difficulty feels like. It's the surviving that gives us confidence. If you can handle some really difficult stuff, talking to strange girls who may throw rumors is a breeze! Confidence (the feeling of) doesn't come from being sure of victory, it comes from knowing that you can survive defeat.
Still, I don't think most people know what the actual figures are, according to our own govt. Knowing the figures explains a lot, and it may cause people to take more chances. If they expect that everyone else is doing well then they may not engage. If they know that 40 percent of people are struggling then hey why not combine resources and struggle less together?
Sparta63005@reddit
Its a little discouraging, ghosting is a big problem with girls my age. Its hard to keep asking out girls when you go on a date, things seem to be going well, she even hugs me and says we should go out again soon, and then ghosts me. How am I even meant to know what I did wrong? Its a really shitty thing to do, I wouldn't do it.
XbdudeX@reddit
I never even got that far. I can't take talking to someone, seemingly getting along, then they stop responding. Then everyone's advice is just, "Don't take it so personal man." I'm not built that way, I can't just forget people that easily and it was really taking a toll on me. Ive since deleted my accounts on dating apps and actually do feel better, but what do I do now?
McFlankShank@reddit
Personally? I've just been trying to make my peace with being alone. I've not got enough going for me that I'm desirable to anyone I'd be interested in dating anyway, but maybe that's just the side of me that's given up talking.
MerryGifmas@reddit
Probably met someone she liked more
Chonboy@reddit
She just picked another out of her lineup out of one hundred you weren't even top ten to be considered it's not personal women just have nigh infinite choices they don't waste effort on those they consider lesser
SheZowRaisedByWolves@reddit
Source me up on that speed dating one, brotendo
Solanthas@reddit
God damn this thread is depressing as fuck
_Hatters_@reddit
Just go out and talk to people, it’s not rocket science
A_Wild_Bellossom@reddit
Too busy gooning to twinks
misterman73@reddit
Busted! Figuratively, literally
Tom_Blunty@reddit
Incel Core
watchmypizza@reddit
Borderlands 4 came out and I have a lot of snacks to eat
Rixmadore@reddit
Some sociologists chalk it down to a reduction of drinking culture. That Kurzgesagt video about alcohol really shed some light on what sociologists are saying this
DasToyfel@reddit
Speed Dating is one of the worst places to date people because it attracts the worst people. If you want to get to know people, and you think the clubs are dying, host your own public parties. People want to dance and to socialize, they just don't want to pay 20€ for an entrance fee plus drinks. Its hard work to host own events, but its so worth it for socializing and networking alone.
derpinard@reddit
Women have no problem initiating with the guys they really want, so if you ain't that guy, why would you try to prove your worth to someone who isn't attracted to you?
There's a whole community dedicated to dead bedrooms, then there's divorce, nagging, cheating, raising another man's baby...
You mustn't try to force it if you ain't it. It's plainly stupid.
No-Hippo-6713@reddit
Cause women are insane
Source:
Been Dating for years
SnakeOilPlagueDoctor@reddit
"I've only met weird chicks for the six years I've been dating, the common denominator couldn't possibly be me".
No-Hippo-6713@reddit
Lmao didnt read
SierraDespair@reddit
Typical leddit slop comment. Not worth anyone’s time.
Rymanjan@reddit
Buzzword bingo lol
bexohomo@reddit
it would require you to self reflect, unfortunately
DeceptiveDweeb@reddit
Her: i watch the view
You: much, hold on, I gotta use the restroom
0x_gooner@reddit
If she watches the view she's probably half way through menopause bro
Aware_Afternoon2@reddit
This entire comment section is chronically online people complaining that they can't get a normal woman. Yea, why would they want you lol. Go play kickball, join a hiking group, write and look for meetups with fellow writers in your city, anything but sit at your computer all day. Live life and be happy, not decay and be miserable.
AaronsAaAardvarks@reddit
That’s so weird because I had great success dating for my whole life. Maybe the problem is you. Maybe you should look inward with honesty and figure out how to improve yourself. It sounds like sane women are avoiding you - I wonder why that is.
Skeptical_Sushi@reddit
It could be both. I don’t think it’s realistic to place blame 100% on either party. Do I think women have an easier time selecting for the top 10% of men in society? Yes. Do I think a lot of unselected men don’t self reflect enough about their own shortcomings? Yes.
Humans really haven’t adapted quick enough to properly coexist with social media and the internet, and a lot of men (including myself) just ain’t long for this dating environment.
AaronsAaAardvarks@reddit
If every woman you meet is crazy the problem is, without a doubt, you.
Skeptical_Sushi@reddit
Huh? I never said that ever woman that I’ve met has been crazy? I think you meant to reply to someone else maybe?
AaronsAaAardvarks@reddit
This all started with the statement “women are crazy” and that’s all I’m talking about.
Skeptical_Sushi@reddit
Oh, yeah nah I don’t agree with that.
CleanMyBalls@reddit
This is an incel sub bro you are talking to a wall
Skeptical_Sushi@reddit
What did I say that suggested I’m an incel? I blatantly said that it’s not fair to blame either gender as both can be at fault in different situations. Literally the most neutral take anyone can have. lol.
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
There are a lot of mentally ill women out there. I've been abused enough in relationships with my lifelong best friends to know that
AaronsAaAardvarks@reddit
Sure, and if you are exclusively dating mentally ill women then the problem is you. You are doing something to attract the mentally ill.
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
Like being their friend for 14 years before we started dating?
AaronsAaAardvarks@reddit
If you hop from shitty relationship to shitty relationship, figure yourself out. You are the common thread.
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
I don't think you've ever been in an adult relationship
AaronsAaAardvarks@reddit
Oh no
Futureman999@reddit
They're exactly as insane at any time as society lets them be.
A century ago you had churches and rigid standards of behavior enforced by the community. Their "reputation" was everything and they worked hard to preserve it. Now everything is social media and the last popular TikTok of a self-obsessed psycho screaming into her phone about something some guy did or didn't do and demanding more free shit from men and an easier life for herself, sets the new low bar for women. Ever ratcheting downward.
bexohomo@reddit
Ikr, a hundred years ago women couldn't even have a bank account and needed a man to make it anywhere. It was so much more real and better!
Futureman999@reddit
ngl I hate church it's boring af but only the Magic Sky People can make women stop being crazy(?) because all they care about are their ever-in-flux constantly flowing social relationships and position in a complex hierarchy of some made up community. It's exhausting
The problem is, humans can't handle power over others. The middle aged patriarchs who run those communities start kicking out young men for any excuse and hoarding multiple underage "brides" for themselves. Make no mistake, if average women cared about dick that much female religious leaders would try to set up their own young buck harems too.
Basically nobody has ever been able to solve the crazy woman problem. Even the old Sky People con only partially works.
bexohomo@reddit
Not sure how you think that would cause any anger lol, first thought was "oop, shizoposting"
PeachesGuy@reddit
Does asking out female friends count?
Mrshinyturtle2@reddit
I heard the claim that speed dating events have troubles finding men before, so I looked at my local events
They had both male and female tickets, and each one the men's tickets were sold out, and the female ones were not.
justaBB6@reddit
dagui12@reddit
I don’t go to bars and clubs because I don’t drink. Speed dating is weird as fuck, I usually just meet women through tinder or facebook dating. Pretty easy tbh.
Zermist@reddit
congrats that it’s possible for you to meet people through tinder. you don’t know it, but you’re in the top 10% of male attractiveness
dagui12@reddit
I’m not that attractive I’m just not a fucking weirdo and can talk to people.
Zermist@reddit
hahahaha they swipe on you because you’re not weird? oh my friend you have no clue
dagui12@reddit
You have to talk to them before you meet them numbnuts
“I usually meet people through tinder”
Zermist@reddit
why do you suppose they swiped on you in the first place? genuine question, do you really think it’s your bio? do you think thats the main reason people get matches on tinder? come on, dude
dagui12@reddit
No but I’m sure my bio has a lot to do with it. I’m 5’6 and 250 pounds man I’m not “the top 10% of male attractiveness” lmao. I promise you the reason you can’t get laid or a date is probably because you never stop talking about how you can’t get laid or a date.
Zermist@reddit
I do just fine with women in person, but somehow on tinder it’s virtually impossible to get a single match. your argument doesn’t make sense because it clearly has nothing to do with personality, if they don’t swipe to begin with, then they didn’t get a chance to talk to me in the first place
dagui12@reddit
MechwolfMachina@reddit
Speed dating lacks women between 21-26, I’m not out here trying to date grandma bruh
Solar_RaVen@reddit
I want to hear more about speed dating lacking men, when I used to go to conventions a few years ago they were always in shortage of women, but that could also just be because of attendance demographics. I guess it would be different for general, none event specific, speed dating events.
CanOld2445@reddit
Wdym "ask out"? I've gotten numbers and shit on the street, but I'd imagine asking for a number is a more logical first step here
MrJeanDenim@reddit
Yea I've been single for 9 years and it's not looking any better lol
YoungDiscord@reddit
As a male who struggled in the past I find the current male loneliness epidemic so bizarre mostly because my wife has a job that involves interacting with a lot of women who like to gossip and lemme tell ya, based on what they say the bar for men is set so incredibly fucking low that I'm stunned that so many men out there STILL fail to reach it
The general jist of what women see as "good enough" is:
1: has basic hygiene
2: does not abuse them
3: has an income
4: can take care of himself (cooking, cleaning, bills)
5: respects boundries
6: doesn't have views/opinions that belittle others
7: isn't completely tone deaf (aka: does inappropriate shit in public like wearing ahegao clothes or having "hot takes")
3 out of 7 of those qualifiers is basically having the most basic skillset an adult needs to survive and all 7 of these are the qualifiers needed for not being a complete dogshit human being half of which are set by women to prevent them from ending up a man who tries to turn them into their own personal maids by doing crap like belittling them,alienating them from family & friends, demanding they quit their job making them financially dependent and unable to leave...
It basically boils down to "I don't want to end up with so.eone who wants to turn me into a slave"
That's it
That's the standard you gotta meet
And its so insanely low that its sad.
Yes, some guys here will jump in and go "oooh but they only want chads/pretty people/(insert excuse here)" to which my response is: only some shallow women think that - if every woman you are going after is like this its not the women who are the problem, its your crappy taste in women and your lack of standards.
Its crazy just how much you can get away with if you're just a decent human being
I'm saying this as someone who isn't handsome or fit and who is also an awkward person
Sure, I struggled for a few years trying to find someone but in all fairness I was still figuring out some stuff in my life at that time that was preventing me from being ready to be in a relationship making me a walking red flag - I'll acknowledge that, fair's fair.
Eventually I found someone though.
Its really not that hard
Be a decent human being, be patient and for the love of god don't be so goddamn desperate, its ok if you're single - its a valid way of life and until you accept that you won't find anyone as your desperation will constantly sabotage you so there's that to consider as well.
Marche48@reddit
“Based on what women say”
Theres your problem
There is a noticeable gap between what they say and what they do
YoungDiscord@reddit
1: you are generalizing women
Its like if I were to say all men are weebs who jack off to loli porn
This might come as a shock to you but women are people and there is a lot of variety in people
Some people are hypocrites, others are immature, some are decent people and a whole myriad of in between etc etc etc
2: your take boils down to "I'm going to ignore what women are communicating because I know better which... yikes, that basically breaks two of the 7 basic standards I mentioned women set for potential partners (respecting boundries and not having opinions that belittle others)
And yes this does break the boundry rule because you break boundries by not listening to people which you aren't doing.
Its basically the logic come men justify to ignore when a woman says no because "there is a noticeable gap between what they say and do"
It really isn't hard - if I want to know something about women, I'll ask women & vice versa, its basic common sense.
Last but not least: plenty of men also say one thing but do another, this is not exclusive or unique to women
Look at all these self proclaimed niceguys - they aren't nice at all.
I rest my case.
Marche48@reddit
Bro literally you were generalizing women
You said “in general women want x”
All I’m doing is pointing out that your list is inadequate
According to your list a 5’2” obese prematurely balding loser with messed up teeth who works part time at a walmart stocking shelves meets womens standards “in general” as long as hes a sweetie and he showers regularly
Youre just outright wrong and I’m pointing that out
Its not that deep
And yes men do the same thing, people lie to avoid appearing shallow and to make themselves look better
YoungDiscord@reddit
I mean look, I'm just telling you what I've been told by women, you can ignore it if you want, that's your choice, I'm here to communicate, not argue or dispute it.
Just don't be surprised that the people who do ignore what women communicate to them aren't particularly successful in finding a partner as evidenced by the current male loneliness epidemic.
not_the_hamburglar@reddit
Answer this, do you think girls want this? According to your lists this outlier would fit the girls "good enough" to date.
Marche48@reddit
Thats fine, I’m just telling you what you’ve been told is a lie
They say things like that out of frustration, pretending “geez all I want is X, is that really so hard?” When they actually want x, y, and z (and maybe a little bit of q too teehee)
The issue is actually the exact opposite, there are plenty of male sweeties out there who are having no luck with women despite being sweeties because they are short, out of shape, have low resource acquisition potential etc.
Women are not altruistic little wholesome hecking chunguses
They are just as shallow as men
YoungDiscord@reddit
I appreciate you telling me this but I have a general rule where I am more inclined to believe information from the source itself.
Marche48@reddit
If your general rule is “I always believe people when they tell me things.” then don’t be surprised when you get lied to.
YoungDiscord@reddit
I never said I always believe people
I said that I am more likely to believe a woman about what women want than a man about what women want
Marche48@reddit
Did you just assume my gender?
YoungDiscord@reddit
No I assumed your sex
Feel free to correct me
Marche48@reddit
Excuse me if I identify as a woman that makes me a woman period
You’ve got a lot of growing up to do
YoungDiscord@reddit
I mean according to you if you're a woman you lie so I can just say you're wrong
I mean... you said so yourself, "I shouldn't always believe everything pepple say"
Right?
https://i.redd.it/ihjtam6djyof1.gif
Marche48@reddit
If you’re not even willing to affirm someone else’s gender identity then you shouldn’t be lecturing anyone about anything
Shameful
Marche48@reddit
Are you implying my gender identity is a fabrication?
XD_MACHINE@reddit
Lmao it's actually so funny how you're getting downvoted
Etheros64@reddit
You're assuming those women are being honest about what their standards actually are. Those women are single, and they want to soothe their ego of not being able to attract a man by denigrating men and saying they don't meet basic human standards. It's the same approach incels use when they blame women for their lack of success.
Give these women a man that meet all 7 points you laid out, and they'll find 7 more points he won't meet that disqualify him. Need I point out that the terms 'icks' in modern dating culture is primarily used by women, and more often than not, they are complete nothing burgers. As for the actual points, I see some rather blatant flaws with two of them.
These days I've seen this construed as anything from a man beating women like Chris Brown, to a man setting boundaries in a relationship like Jonah Hill.
This can mean anything from having a job to having to make more money than the woman. Based on the data, it is consistently the latter.
YoungDiscord@reddit
I guess I should start by pointing out that over half of my wife's clients are in a relationship/married so that already throws your first assumption out the window but I see how someone who struggles in finding a woman (I mean this in general, not you specifically) might use your arguments to rationalize why he can't find a woman whilst saving his image of himself making him feel like the women are to blame and not that he needs to work on himself because he exhibits some red flags.
Because its easier to say "YOU'RE the reason I'm miserable" instead of "I'm getting in my way and making myself miserable, I need to grow as a person"
For example like I said I struggled in the past but I was always honest to myself that I am the one who needed to mature into being ready for a relationship
I had to learn to identify my red flags, remove them and even then I still had to learn how to identify red flags in women to avoid them and to figure out what sort of woman I wanted to be with (cuz as it turns out, the image of my dream girl was in reality someone who was REALLY toxic)
But saying that to yourself is hard, like REALLY hard so a lot of people don't do it.
Etheros64@reddit
It really doesn't. Women in relationships can be saying this to affirm what their single friends are saying(to boost their ego), can be unhappy in their current relationship(they feel their boyfriend doesn't meet those standards) or feel otherwise unsatisfied in life and want to denigrate others to make themselves feel better.
It ironic that you're saying that people would use what I said to push forward, let's be honest, incel rhetoric, but you're completely shutting down the possibility of women engaging in similar behaviour.
Put it like this; when men engage in this behaviour, they say things like "women are sluts", "they don't give good guys a chance", "they're goldiggers", etc. When women engage in that behaviour, they say things like "why are all men so abusive", "he's a loser who makes no money", "they're disgusting slobs", etc.
My claim is simple. Women say these things about men for the same reason men say those things about women. It is to appeal to their ego and to make them feel better about themselves without having to take on the burden of self reflection. If you are incapable of acknowledging this, you're operating under some kind of misandristic or misogynistic thinking.
YoungDiscord@reddit
I mean you claim I'm using that to shut down the possibility of women being dishonest whilst you're using it to do the opposite: to shut down the possibility that women are just being honest and transparent.
I'm not saying all women are honest, that would be a crqzy generalization to make
What I am saying however is that I'm noticing a pattern here that falls in line with the current state of things and that is that a lot of men are hesitant to listen to women
This leads to a lot of men falling below the already low standard a lot of women have for men leading to the male loneliness epidemic.
At the end of the day my logic is based on the fact that I am not a woman and therefore am not an authority on what women want, its the women who are the authority on that just like how men are the authority on what men want.
Imagine you tell a woman "I'm looking for XYZ in a woman" and the woman responds with "naaah you don't want XYZ, I say that you want ABC because men can be dishonest so I know better than you"
You then go "uh no I want XYaz" but she decides to ignore you using that argument to essentially shut you down and anything you say because "she knows better"
At that point she can basically impose anything on you
"I'm not gay"
"Yes you are because men lie now bend over"
That would suck, right?
Same thing here.
That's why its important to believe the source more than third party information.
Etheros64@reddit
>I mean you claim I'm using that to shut down the possibility of women being dishonest
That is absolutely not what I said, and I encourage you to go back and read what I wrote to you again. I said you are shutting down the possibility that women can be making these comments about men for the exact same reasons incels would make misogynistic comments about women.
>whilst you're using it to do the opposite: to shut down the possibility that women are just being honest and transparent.
When incels make misogynistic comments about women, do you think it would be appropriate to refer to those comments as honest and transparent? When women are saying things like 'men aren't meeting the basic standards of a human being' in gossip with other women, they aren't saying these things to men as honesty or advice. They are saying these things in gossip to other women because they are shit talking those men.
>I'm noticing a pattern here that falls in line with the current state of things and that is that a lot of men are hesitant to listen to women.
When men are asked why there seems to be a decline in recent years in them asking women out in public spaces, like at the gym, grocery store, on the street, do you know what the most common response is? It's "I heard women don't like that".
NotRandomseer@reddit
The "Male loneliness epidemic" is also mostly based on what men say. If you're just going by what people say , why prioritize what one group is saying over the other.
People don't like to acknowledge something they feel is wrong
I'm sure many women have standards for height/income/other characteristics that they just don't say out loud because they feel it's shallow
I'm sure some men are not mentioning some massive flaw when ranting about the dating market , since that makes it feel like they are being unreasonable
Eastern_Mist@reddit
> So insanely low that's sad
tru
IAmSoLaBeouf@reddit
Become aid workers in hard places. You’ll live in ex pat bubbles and providing you’re not a complete fucking weirdo you’ll shag loads of women. You’ll work 70 hours a week and get burned out regularly, plus you’ll get typhoid and so on sometimes, but you’ll make loads of cool mates and see the world. Plus you’ll see real crises and people having the absolute worst fucking time, so all the bullshit in the west that gets people riled up just won’t bother you anymore because it’s all just algorithmic bollocks.
CeeOhDeeWhyTTV@reddit
Clubs are expensive, League of legends is free. Priorities, boys.
Eminence_Front42@reddit
Just turn gay, though twinks seem to be equally insane so…
UncleKreepy@reddit
I'm married and I'm telling all Men, DO NOT GET MARRIED. Women are not what they used to be. I love my wife but she told me her dream since a little girl was "to get married and have kids" I gave her everything she wanted plus a 4 bedroom house in southern California.
She doesn't "work" .. she runs a small online business and sells women products and racked up 60k debt. Basically she has tons of freedom and rest. All she does is complain about the kids and never cooks or cleans. This is not unique to my marriage I hear the same from tons of married men.
So your choice is either a woman with 50+ bodies or the good girl that doesn't do anything for the family.
Don't do it.
PyroKid883@reddit
Women have been bitching that they want to be left alone for at least a decade. Well now they got what they wanted.
toughfluffer@reddit
Internet has melted everyone's brains. We are not evolved to deal with this technology.
Acogatog@reddit
If bars truly were empty, I would actually enjoy going to them. The ones near me are consistently too cramped for my taste.
TheDevilsAdvokaat@reddit
Wny should we bother? If all you get is rejection..and it's all I ever got.
So I learned not to bother. I can stay home, play games and feed myself without having to spend lots of money trying to impress someone.
Better for my self esteem, better for my wallet.
Onigumo-Shishio@reddit
I really wanted to ask out this woman at the reception of the hotel I was at for a few days. She seemed really cool personality wise and had a lovely smile but the very fact that
A. I was on vacation a long ways away from home (so even if I shot my shot and asked for a number or a date, it wouldnt matter because I didnt even live in the same state, and more than likely a long distance relationship wouldn't work)
B. Personally I never want to ask someone out while they are at work. To me it just seems like I would be putting that person in a very awkward position as they are stuck at work and kind of have to not only stick around but they are still in work mode and depending on the person will still have to maintain a professional attitude/ friendly deminor due to their job. And again I dont want to put someone in that position.
Like yea I really would have loved to get to know her better for sure, but it just didnt seem appropriate all around...
How does one even go about relationships these days anyway.
Rhorge@reddit
The men are dating other men
Zermist@reddit
unironically, a lot of otherwise straight men are doing this.
The amount of stories i’ve read men who convince themselves they’re bi, only to plug their nose before going down on a guy then throwing up afterward… desperate men will do anything
General_Rubenski@reddit
:ᗡ
JTT_0550@reddit
Still they’re all dudes like 90 percent of the time
MorRochben@reddit
And whats the % of women that have asked a guy out ever.
We're tired of doing all the work and getting treated like shit for it.
SquirtleUsedDrugs@reddit
Don't know what country you're living in, but where I'm at bars and clubs practically have people spilling out the windows. There's speed-dating events every other day and apps like Tinder and Hinge have got loads of people.
Cultural_Tip2618@reddit
Sure wonder why fewer guys ask out women in person in an era where instant messaging apps exist and the most common way couples meet is online
jiajia_92@reddit
MrEvan312@reddit
Feels like the only way to win is not playing, I guess.
petertompolicy@reddit
Bars are not empty.
JTT_0550@reddit
Still they’re all dudes like 90 percent of the time
khswart@reddit
Bars are not empty bro😂 go outside
-Shlim-@reddit
I don’t blame em, there be straight bitches out there and it’s demoralizing as fuck when there’s so many.
BeholdenAbsol@reddit
People just use other people for views and nobody wants to be the butt of the joke. A lot of young men are lost and have NO clue how to be decent to women and don't want to become tiktok memes. Since they can't go out, they can't learn social skills, they can't possibly laid, and they no longer see the purpose in putting in the effort to seem more appealing to people IRL. They can make a bunch of social media alts and have fun talking shit about everyone anonymously instead. And the cycle continues.
_SaBeR_78@reddit
Chat is this real or gay?
Called_end@reddit
how can someone can afford a relationship with this economy is beyond me.
Chico__Lopes@reddit
Honestly, dating has gone to shit. Women are more focused on a red flag hunt. Men has a hobby? Red flag. Men doesn't want sex on the first date? Red flag, etc etc.
SuperDave-1498@reddit
Dance halls are the cream of the crop, fun atmosphere, drinks available if wanted, activity based. Give it a shot
CrazyFett51@reddit
I was just going to keep playing videogames that im interested in and then killing myself at like 40
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
Try > fail > know you failed > mental destruction
Don't try > don't fail > don't know if you would have failed or not > cope that it's not that bad >it in fact is
Skeptical_Sushi@reddit
All roads lead to Rome. Except the existential crisis version.
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
It is a game to save your ego and self esteem from completely dying.
Skeptical_Sushi@reddit
I lost that game a long time ago. Now i have my job, porn, the gym, and video games. It aint super bad.
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
Im still educating myself but this sheme + shrooms and not much weed and i will be chilling waiting for the reaper
liberalhellhole@reddit
Thank you for your constructive insight pokemon_fucker_2137
Zenithize@reddit
They’re all gay 😳
TurretLimitHenry@reddit
I work long hours, but I get to save loads of cash by not having a GF, and the remaining hours in my week (not many) I can do literally whatever I want.
Junior_Box_2800@reddit
I have nothing to give, why should I date?
ablebagel@reddit
skill issue
kingxxKarp@reddit
Being willing to leave the house is generally a prerequisite for a vast majority of successful relationships. And I’m just not interested in ever really doing that 🤷♂️.
BambinoSteezy@reddit
Men are more bound to patriarchal ideas of power and success. Women will be fine with dating because it requires less construction. As long as men's merit is tied to their success/power then in a society where everyone is powerless, men in particular are going to struggle more.
Artistdramatica3@reddit
Girls dont want men to talk to them.
They've been talking about it for years.
Zermist@reddit
i’m confused at how people don’t get this. women literally hate getting approached by anyone because it scares them and they take it as a threat. you’re supposed to ignore and go about your life like normal
adarsh_pandey001@reddit
Yeah, women destroyed the whole concept of dating and yet they question men.
bexohomo@reddit
women fault ):
Zermist@reddit
it’s funny how much i relate to this picture. A girl exists in public? avoid eye contact. pretend you don’t notice them. tell yourself “they’re more scared of you than you are of them.” The last thing i’d ever do is approach them
Azisan86@reddit
Have you considered arranged marriages? And I don't mean forced marriages, but actually having people meet up for the sole purpose of marriage.
They work.
KnownAsAnother@reddit
Men don't need that kind of fulfillment anymore when we've got more to do than touch privates until magic white liquid emerges.
WannabePokerPlayer@reddit
I am afraid to look/feel creepy
Raglefant69@reddit
I can hang out with the boys at home, drink beers and listen to good music, or I can go to a pub and pay the price of a six pack for one pint, get rejected by women, with needlessly loud shitty music blaring all night. Tough choice.
No-Section-4385@reddit
All those things listed are places men have to spend money to either get in or something..
Other words girls are no long worth the cost or care.
Bopper55@reddit
It’s called hoe-flation. As a man you have to work twice as hard for a girl that is half the woman your grandma was.
Vinyl-addict@reddit
If speed dating actually has a male deficit rn that’s fuckin hilarious
Go_Nadds@reddit
Guys are figuring out it's easier to get their dicks wet if they just fuck each other
ItzzSash@reddit
I guarantee 90% of the people on this sub reddit have not asked a girl out in person 😂😂
SunderedValley@reddit
This sub is just the daily 5 minutes of hate for Redditors cause they can make fun of acceptable targets.
EquivalentSnap@reddit
DaetherSoul@reddit
They aren’t normally worth it
Zsmudz@reddit
IMO it’s because there just aren’t that many opportunities anymore and even when there is, there is always a fear of sexual harassment . It’s a roll of the dice whether asking out a woman is considered sexual harassment or cute. It’s great that culture has shifted to understand women’s struggles better but it also pushes away men.
Grobfoot@reddit
Whenever I read these, I end up hearing "I've tried nothing and nothing is working!" most of the time. Bunch of dudes who stay inside all day and then write shit like "the bars are empty!"
Do you go to bars all the time? Do you want to date someone who goes to bars all the time? Because those are the people who hang out at bars...why on earth would they want to date some freak 4channer. You don't just get to go pick up a chick at a bar and then turn her into a tradwife the next day. If you want a tradwife, maybe try going to church lmao.
Ok_Elk_4333@reddit
Chat is it ok to approach girls in the daytime, in the street, or nah
RegularShitposter420@reddit
depends on your looks
QFB-procrastinator@reddit
Yeah, gotta remember rules 1 and 2
QFB-procrastinator@reddit
Wtf is anon on about? Where i live clubs are full of people ( too bad the music is mid asf and the drinks are overpriced) and bars are not empty ( the industry isn’t thriving or anything but people go there fairly regularly). I’m not getting any cuz i can’t fucking talk to people, but most other guys are doing fine. In general this is why i have trouble understanding the whole “male loneliness epidemic”, i’ve seen the charts and the studies and the articles (and i believe them) but my firsthand experience tells me it’s only a me problem.
bmcgowan89@reddit
We all started going on 4chan and got trapped into becoming gay. It's insidious 😂😂
thegrodyknudclump@reddit
We?
La_CIA@reddit
It's the water.
googlin@reddit
yaaaassss, my fellow queeeen
Tjstictches@reddit
I mean, that’s on you. Don’t make your lack of social skills other people’s problems.
2020mademejoinreddit@reddit
Because often times paying for sex is cheaper. Why bother going through the trials of dating, do the monkey dance to impress only to get rejected?
Let's face it, most women only go for a select few men, especially when they're in their prime and even then, for those men, it's just their turn.
These women then just want to "settle" for the provider.
However, if they find a guy who is a mix of both, she will leave that provider for an "upgrade".
Add to the fact, that many women today don't even need a provider anymore, since they're more than capable of financially taking care of themselves, all they need is just to get laid with whoever they want.
In some cases, they completely just not bother at all, even with sex. So they're out of the market.
Then there are those who have had their "experiences" and are now just not into it.
Now, you add to the fact that younger and even older men are now wising up to this reality, men also don't bother to make an attempt and rather just pay for sex or not even that, and just use the abundance of "exciting" content online, then you get what we see today.
There are those who do still get into relationships though, just not as much. There is no incentive to, for both.
Plus I'm not even gonna mention the obvious financial issues, unaffordable homes, etc.
Maybe it is by design, to break down the system and curb the population. Even in highly populated countries, we are seeing a huge decline.
Is it for good or bad? Depends on who you ask. I just see it as an inevitable consequence of human nature.
All I know is that this isn't gonna be enough to wipe out humanity though. So the doomers can chill TF out.
ThatGuyAtTheGym@reddit
It all just seems hopeless. Women will show interest just to ghost you, and even if you miraculously land a first date, that’s like landing the first round at a 8 round job interview. She’ll discover an ick, look at your social media, or be convinced by her toxic friends why she shouldn’t be with you and you’re back at square one. This is after spending a great deal of time and energy into one girl I might add. The juice just ain’t worth the squeeze anymore. Women have slowly been flocking towards the top 10% of men because social media has convinced them they are all the top 10% of women. I’m just don’t feel like competing anymore
Symax77@reddit
Yeah Well No thanks. Nowadays you may get all your bravery together and ask a girl out. But then you have a decent chance of being accused to be a catcaller. As I said no thanks. Society fucked up completely, there is no real sense in doing this. 2 years ago I met a nice girl and got into Smalltalk very fast, she added me everywhere first. Couple months later I told her that she participated in a dream I had. Boom all here nerves cramped up and she told me never talk to her again as this would crossed any boundaries she had an one more time then she would call police. Now back to borderlands 4. I can't waste any more time on that topic.
Smooth_Monkey69420@reddit
We’re poor and ashamed we can’t support a girlfriend or a family so we don’t even try. You think we’d be single if we could work only 40hrs a week and afford a middle class lifestyle?
StudioUAC@reddit
because it's the woman's fault
Jam_Herobrine@reddit
All a woman has to do is say something happened when it didn't and your in trouble, Considering the risk towards potentially awkward men who struggle to socialise, why bother?
Not saying accusations shouldn't be taken seriously, but it is a significant problem because people lying about it dont get punished while the other side gets their life ruined, And then Mens accusations are laughed away, even if they're truthful and did actually happen.
KingSt3aLtH@reddit
Well, I am in this position as well, though i am now 28. I asked my wife out when i was 17. We are now going through divorce and I have no idea how to not feel like a creep when trying to talk like a woman. There's just so much violence of men hurting woman that i find it scary to even talk to a woman. Afraid that i cant read her signs.
Skyp_Intro@reddit
Hey, babe. Want to feel, trapped and unhappy with me?
whereamIguys69@reddit
Honestly from years of observing how these youngsters are in front of girls, it’s really just their fault and you guys keep making too many excuses for them. Most of the time what I see are guys trying WAYYY too hard, trying to lock in the most superb appearance for the Huss, and projecting the most perfect person they can imagine. Chill the fuck out and act yourself, it reeks of desperation when you pretend to be so fucking cool swag walking everywhere. And for the love of god stop placing pussy on a pedestal because again it’s just desperate, know your worth without other people interjecting their opinion of your worth.
SalmonellaBro@reddit
Im glad I was able to meet my now wife in person back in highschool (2013) before the dating scene got crazier.
Its sad of what the standards for dating have become, everyone expects so much at such an early start of of your adult life.
Superkritisk@reddit
Modern women are problematic.
bratbarn@reddit
☕
Kl3en@reddit
Holy wahhh, just download tinder and you’ll have 20 girls ready to jump you like Batman it’s not that hard.
comingsoontotheaters@reddit
Idk what’s going on with them, but it sure is making them more likely to shoot people
an-unorthodox-agenda@reddit
When #metoo happened in decided I was going to wait for a woman to approach me. Still waiting.
AmaterasuWolf21@reddit
Ah yes, the only 3 methods to find women
isnortmiloforsex@reddit
I just started mass asking out women at every avenue i could, bars, online, etc, got a date with one, and am now in a relationship. I am not particularly attractive or rich but the sheer numbers helped me find a woman that liked me anyway and vice versa. Its like a video game, dont take rejection too personally at all. Basically I used the same strategy to get a job lmao.
Mattras7@reddit
My experience: online dating is a trap, your confidence will break. If you’re an avg 5, you need to shoot for 2’s to get any likes or responses. And if you end uDon’t do it.
Only way to meet women is by going out, getting drunk enough you feel comfortable approaching and just keep shooting your shot. It’s just a numbers game, X amount of approaches turns into Y amount of numbers and Z amount of make out sessions that night. Now the real problem is keeping them on the hook the day(s) after. Some of them just ignore you the day after which is fine, move on.
I had 2 of them that I ended up seriously dating, both of them turned out to have intimacy issues or anxiety which made them say they weren’t ready for a relationship. Or maybe that’s all bullshit and they gave me a soft let down, who cares. I’m going to keep doing it because it’s fun and eventually I hope i’ll find someone without issues who’s willing to get in a serious relationship. The whole dating experience still leaves me jaded but you gotta keep trying man.
alvaro248@reddit
"Clubs dying out" this dude doesnt go outside and got no game, mid bait
202glewis@reddit
If 100k, 6 feet, and 6 inches are the minimum. Then for me DDs, daily head, and not psycho is the minimum.
I feel like more men meet then standard than women do.
Impressive-Morning76@reddit
where are these men? is it just my friends that are social or what? i’m 19, i’ve been on dates, haven’t gotten a girlfriend but im the worst out of all my friends. they’ve all been in relationships and two of em have autism.
Unlaid_6@reddit
Too expensive to go out. That and the other factors people are pointing out.
Kurineko_Regan@reddit
I'm pretty sure this is a US problem
StandardN02b@reddit
"In other news: Here is why Tea App was a good thing and those that leaked it's user data are evil 4chin terrorist hackers."
Vertags@reddit
Cause the single ones are single for a reason.
Hugst@reddit
What do you mean men don’t go for speed dating, every time I want to sign up there are 0 free places for man and half left for woman. They trickle in like one week before event and organisers have to sometimes call previous attendees. This trend holds for ages 18-40, after that it switches.
Dynablade_Savior@reddit
Very rarely are the people I find outside the kinds of people that I would want to hang out with on a regular basis, let alone attempt to spend the rest of my life with
dr_tel@reddit
The only thing holding me back from dating men is the complete lack of sexual attraction.
I have female friends, but I never felt so free and understood with them as I did with dudes. Like literally every activity other than sex is more fun for me with dudes... No homo tho
Ekillaa22@reddit
Men cry for being lonely but don’t realize they are a bunch of weird fucks with backwards ass ideas on how things work??
lowrads@reddit
Many men would rather crawl through razor wire on a minefield than try to understand the interests of women.
Nice_Category@reddit
The juice has got to be worth the squeeze. And it's not.
Skeptical_Sushi@reddit
Is that a woman doubting and belittling the struggles of men without ever having lived as a man? Could you be part of the problem? Hm.
Redpenguin00@reddit
I had a good job, nice car, two story house and a beautiful wife.
Well my wife left me recently and you know, besides the obvious heartbreak of losing someone you built a life with and expected to share a legal and spiritual eternity with, its somewhat freeing
I always said "i got out on the last chopper from 'nam" as far as the dating scene went. Met my wife on tinder 8 years ago, and had a lot of great dating app experiences when they were first a thing.
Now I see how my single friends struggled, and how dating apps are all so ... monetized and disgusting preying on loneliness.
Its been a few months now and I can say I am happy in a way that lets me exist for myself and not have to constantly be performing tricks to appease someone else. I never expected to get divorced but now that I am I can see that its easier and healthier for me to live for myself.
The only thing that might change is wanting to have a child to pass my legacy on to but who knows if that will ever happen.
If a woman comes along, great.. if not.. such is life.
Venom933@reddit
I mean the people who fit in in this perfect plastic Nightlife world are still going out.
There are also a lot of people who just go out for fun.
I dont think that more than 50 percent ever were dating in the nightlife scene, seems weird, would be every second person at least 🤔
Substantial_Part_463@reddit
You are going to the wrong meetings.
_Zencer_@reddit
lol bars are not empty
KennKennyKenKen@reddit
Is this really an issue?
Most just connect online?
thk5013@reddit
Osrs is back baby!!!
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
I mean In my personal experience bars and clubs aren’t empty of dying out but young men are definitely refraining from dating more and more.
The majority of my friends either have been single for all of their life or have been single for a decent while now and make no effort to change that.
Aavasque001@reddit
Cat with arrows
Ordessaa@reddit
Clubs are packed as ever wtf are you talking about.
Smooth_Instruction11@reddit
Wtf is blud drinking 💀
void_17@reddit
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diobreads@reddit
No more money for bars and clubs.
Consistent_Ant_8903@reddit
Money for feeling happy and secure and dating and going to bars? In this economy?