Do we think the identity of the shooter will quite down calls for revenge and war by politicians?
Posted by DeadbeatJohnson@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 253 comments
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
airiwolf@reddit
No. The Maga Cult isn't about logic or critical thinking. They just want to hurt people.
bardwick@reddit
Not sure you are aware, but this murder was celebrated by the left. Like Christmas, New Years and Birthdays on at once. He's now a hero to the left. All your love, cheering and support will produce yet more violence.
nowaynotokay@reddit
I don’t know anyone celebrating his death. I’m not saying no one is, but individuals or small groups of leftists don’t represent everyone. Being indifferent to his death or saying he’s a bad person isn’t akin to celebrating
bringonthebedlam@reddit
Leftists reactions have been a resounding "meh" while righties have been an equally resounding call for violence against the left AGAIN. We are not the same.
ILikeMyGrassBlue@reddit
That’s not entirely true. A tankie sub got banned for openly celebrating his death, and subs like Hasan’s sub have a “no fedposting” rule and have banned all convo on it because they know people will celebrate and get the sub banned.
For the most part though, yeah.
bringonthebedlam@reddit
Lol, yeah all 5 of those Russian bot tankie accounts will sure miss their sub 🤣 and promising to ban anyone for celebrating doesnt mean anyone was actually celebrating. They just dont wanna lose out on engagement amd karma farming now that the govt is threatening to ban "celebrators" from the internet. Complying in advance...
SoggyShoes82@reddit
I have seen two comments along the lines of “he deseved what he got” and one was from a man Kirk had his fans doxx and he received death threats for years. He needed police escorts to work for awhile.
The other one was a trans person who said she was being harassed relentlessly by Kirk fans.
Everyone else I have seen have condemned violence and said no one should die like that. They have expressed concern about the collective trauma of those who saw it. They expressed concern about access to weapons. They expressed concern about revenge and right wing attacks after they started calling for war and mass death.
Pointing out that he said some awful things excusing gun deaths of children in school isn’t gleeful. It isn’t celebratory. If those words are what you consider celebratory, then you should think about the individual who said them in the first place when parents of Uvalde children had to give dna in order to be matched to their child’s remains.
agent_mick@reddit
Who is the left in this instance?
As we're so often reminded, Reddit is not representative of entire groups of people. No one I know was celebrating a death.
ApeJustSaiyan@reddit
Reddit has bots...
bardwick@reddit
MSNBC host fired, teachers getting fired left and right. Bluesky is so happy right now they can barely stand it. Tiktoc is a dumpster fire.
Moderators internet wide are nuking comments, banning people, blocking accounts, removing accounts and the volume is still extremely high.
Mouthshitter@reddit
Nobody on MSNBC celebrated nor did anyone MSM
bardwick@reddit
Matthew Dowd is fired.
SoggyShoes82@reddit
Did you see the quote that got him fired? Nowhere did he celebrate. He pointed out that Kirk trafficked in hate and violence and it was the violence that killed him.
Pointing out Kirk’s own quotes about the second amendment and deaths being acceptable isn’t celebrating. There are many reasons for his death and those need to be discussed. It ain’t celebrating to say someone who pushed hate got killed by it. That’s a fact.
Mouthshitter@reddit
He celebrated?
bringonthebedlam@reddit
How is any of this celebrating? Literally no one has been showing anything outside of ambivalence at best, schadenfreude at worst. If y'all have your feelings hurt about that, I'd say maybe your open butthurt is part of the problem of why someone felt okay silencing a differing opinion with violence, and that maybe y'all should examine your own hypocrisy.
tinyhousesurvival@reddit
The hose simply said he was devisive. Not celebrating death. Try again.
Dmckilla7@reddit
You must live under a rock, I've seen 1000's of posts and 100's of people losing their jobs for celebrating his death. Sure feel how you feel but maybe not post it on the Internet for all to see, I have also seen liberal say they won't mourn him but don't think anyone deserves that especially his kids. So it goes both ways but I have seen a lot more celebrating.
B1G__Tuna@reddit
The irony of the murder, given his past comments, was pointed out. That’s not the same as celebrating it.
When will you right wing nut jobs stop killing people in this country? One shot at Trump, another killed a lawmaker and their family in MN, and now this.
Alone-Amphibian2434@reddit
Political views are not a monolith and there is no club or organization called 'the left'. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Whether that is celebrating violence (a lot of people losing their job over it) or committing it. You believe in personal responsibility, right?
HistoricalLanguage46@reddit
The left = anyone who doesn’t support Trump
spanish_ricky_614@reddit
That’s a bingo
HistoricalLanguage46@reddit
We just say “bingo”
RoPTD@reddit
Melissa and Mark Hortman. Paul Pelosi. Donald Trump. What do they all have in common?
ace1of2@reddit
Lmao you know we can just look up stats on right vs left wing violence right? It's not even close. Also stop acting like this is in good faith, we've all seen how the right reacted to the lawmakers being killed and Paul Pelosi attack. Or how they don't care about constant school shootings. You are being lied to, or a just a liar.
LuxSerafina@reddit
Name three. Oh wait, you can’t, because you just listen to shit stains on Fox News tell you “the left is X” and that’s all you need to satisfy the one brain cell in your empty head.
Longjumping-Donut655@reddit
I don’t want to live in a society where politically motivated murder is a constant. The warmongering and celebration are both completely out of line. I’ve been slapping the jeering down wherever I encounter it in person. I am just grateful to those on the right who do the same with their peers. We’re on the same side here.
Big_Knobber@reddit
Kirk said gay people should have stones thrown at them until they are dead.
People who liked Kirk are definitely deplorable. It's why my family doesn't hang around any Republicans anymore. Their morals are too low for our standards.
DownwardSpirals@reddit
And the assault on Pelosi's husband was celebrated by the right. Like Christmas, New Years and Birthdays on at once.
Fear_of_the_boof@reddit
“I don’t care that Kirk died” = celebrations.
Republicans are all domestic terrorists. Look in the mirror.
Hellchron@reddit
Ah yes, the famously unified left.
Do you think more us and them rhetoric will quell the violence?
Flintstones_VRV_Fan@reddit
Name a single prominent figure on the left who celebrated this.
Because I can sure as shit name several prominent figures on the right who mocked Paul Pelosi and Melissa Hortman and celebrated those attacks - but those on the left sure seem to be aligned in condemning this.
HDauthentic@reddit
Not by me
Definitelymostlikely@reddit
Who’s “the left”?
mrpriveledge@reddit
Boogie man!
FelineOphelia@reddit
You're a liar and you know you're lying.
enifsieus@reddit
Realistically, no, but challenge them at every turn to defend it. Don’t let the rage bait stand unanswered.
Reasonable-Towel-365@reddit
No. The United States is clearly being targeted by foreign adversaries while the intelligence community does fuck all about it. It'll get worse.
Over_Technology_1707@reddit
Yup. They wont even have to try to crack our egg, we are cracking it for them all they're doing is giving the spoon.
Born-Cod4210@reddit
we are losing the cold war. Russia kept fighting and we didn’t
GuillotineComeback@reddit
That’s because the IC is run by someone that acts like a Russian asset.
Reasonable-Towel-365@reddit
Former FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA need to strongly consider they took an oath to prevent this sort of thing from occurring. At the very least, they should anonymously post strategies/tactics for fighting back against these adversaries. Whether it be cyberwarfare, information warfare, vulnerable areas and populations in China and Russia to hit with these tactics - just let us know so we the American people can fulfill your oath (if you won't do it yourselves).
N0n3of_This_Matter5@reddit
Yeah...I'm beginning to think that all the oath swearing is a bunch of meaningless nonsense.
Waiting for someone to prove me wrong.
heifandheif@reddit
Until some giant social safety net in place for defectors and whistleblowers exists (translation: money), you aren’t going to get anyone to voluntarily blow their lives up. Human survival 101. We are all rats in this cage, some of us more fucked than others
Reasonable-Towel-365@reddit
You're not entirely wrong. The degradation of liberal democracy in America was caused in part by people who were afraid to stand up for things like a separation of powers, blatant human rights abuses, etc. I'd like someone to tell me how a country like ours, a liberal democracy with a separation of powers, free and fair elections, is going to work if tens of millions of Americans no longer trust the system and want to dismantle it. Everyone who can see this comment should go read the last two chapters of Democracy in America. That's part of the reason we got to this place. People being way too concerned with their own paychecks and lives to speak out or even take action.
Decent-Vermicelli232@reddit
What makes you think the adversaries are foreign?
Reasonable-Towel-365@reddit
Because it began that way slightly before 2014. I watched conservatives I knew become radicalized by this foreign propaganda, and now they are pushing their own propaganda, often at the direction of adversaries without even realizing it.
I have been watching Russia the entire time, waiting for someone to do something. Preferably before the Ukraine war, but here we are. I have been extremely, extremely vocal in my personal life about foreign adversaries using social media as a tool of war for the past decade.
VorpalBlade-@reddit
Russia realized that conservatives were essentially neo confederates who are still butthurt about losing their slaves in the civil war and Putin is a Cold War relic butthurt about losing that. It was all too easy for them to team up and tear down the US. In fact I think it’s been in motion since the 80s.
heifandheif@reddit
Let’s tell the whole story here. The intelligence community is under attack and being told to falsify what they report: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_strikes_on_Iranian_nuclear_sites
Also — who is currently running it? Might want to look her up too
alej2297@reddit
Yes but also this wouldn’t be happening in the way it is if Trump and his ilk were not already the embodiment of the worst traits America has to offer.
RealWolfmeis@reddit
This.
quirkygirl123@reddit
This! 10000x this! Our kids are being radicalized online at an unbelievable degree. Our security services might want to do something about it.
Grateful_Red1086@reddit
No the way the media apparatus is set up the outrage is a requirement for engagement and income.
Holiday-Fly-6319@reddit
It's brainwashing at this point. Feed them opinions for long enough and they can no longer form one on their own.
MissingInAnarchy@reddit
No, but interesting to note, the accused shooter is white, American, proud gun proponent and shooter, from a conservative and religious family. Hardly the immigrant radical left trans lunatic the MAGA crowd would have you believe. Edit: He dressed as Trump for Halloween in 2017 & donated money to his campaign in 2020. Charlie Kirk was shot by a MAGA! Is Trump gonna turn on his on constituents now?!?! Doubt it, loser.
FlyingDreamWhale67@reddit
Don't forget that the engraving on the bullet casings read more like 4chan/Discord meme brainrot than any logical ideology. No one but a terminally online edgelord would write "if you read this your gay lmao" on weapons intended to kill.
unbreakablekango@reddit
When did 'leftist' become a word? What the hell is a leftist and what makes a person a leftist?
voiderest@reddit
"Leftist" is a real term but like "woke" or "socialism" when someone on the right uses the term they are just using it as a synonym for bad.
You can dig into the history of left vs right and why those terms exist. Maybe dig into different branches of left wing thought. Someone who might call themselves a leftist might identify with left wing ideas/policies but not necessarily loyalty to the Democrat Party. Probably sees stuff like "good billionaires" as a mis-step by the DNC. Could also be used instead of "liberal" if they aren't into embracing capitalism.
RepentantSororitas@reddit
leftist became a word around the first french revolution.
It doesnt really have a coherrent meaning now, but generally it implies they support ideas similar to socialism. But in the US it means nothing since they call pro capitalism liberals leftists.
DeadbeatJohnson@reddit (OP)
It's just a way to dehumanize people who read books.
alotofironsinthefire@reddit
They will just make things up.
Look at the Trump shooter who was literally a registered Republican
UrbanSolace13@reddit
LOL. No
westtexasbackpacker@reddit
This but more lols.
They wanted to kill liberals. They have, and trump didnt say a word
This wont stop.
terracottatank@reddit
I'm tired of being labeled a liberal because I believe that all humans have rights.
Straight_Ace@reddit
Apparently in this day and age, having love for your fellow humans and wanting the best for everyone is a radical leftist idea. But fuck me, I thought that was what everyone wanted
Agreeable_Breath_568@reddit
Oh, you're a Marxist 🤨
Greedy_Proposal4080@reddit
That’s…a cornerstone of liberal philosophy.
Sincerely,
A liberal
alej2297@reddit
“THIS PERSON THINKS TRUMP IS NOT GOD. RIP THEIR EARS OFF.”
evermorecoffee@reddit
You’re not a liberal. Liberals don’t believe all humans should have rights either. 🫠
Puzzleheaded_Gene909@reddit
That’s the stars and bars for ya.
Holiday-Fly-6319@reddit
*fellow Americans
trifecta000@reddit
The actions of one man will be used to justify the elimination of half the country, mark my words. Without a shred of evidence they were already called it an act of war and demanding blood.
Buckle up.
IWannaGoFast00@reddit
They are already painting him as radicalized liberal from an upstanding conservative family who was indoctrinated by the left to bring violence.
Yeseylon@reddit
They're going to claim he was brainwashed by liberals and that's why he flipped from pro-Trump.
GrandObfuscator@reddit
“Quiet”.I guess AI is misspelling the same dumb ways we do now.
Travelingman9229@reddit
withomps44@reddit
This is exactly the shit I am hearing from the Rs I know. On the day of they were telling me it was probably a radical leftist college professor, then it went to trans, and today it’s “the kid was radicalized online by dangerous extremist hate groups”
HelloThisIsDog666@reddit
Now call me crazy but I think the two school kids in Colorado who were shot the same day were incredibly more important than that shit stain Charlie Kirk. Their shooter? More of the usual, as in Anti-semite white supremacist
Admirable-Trip5452@reddit
I don’t know about more important, but it is an interesting paradox from the “all lives matter” gang.
Daxx22@reddit
Well that's not wrong, just not in the way they are praying for
Amerisu@reddit
I mean, if you change "group" to "influencer" that's technically correct. He was just radicalized in the opposite direction....
John-A@reddit
Aka "MAGA."
o_susannah@reddit
So bizarre. Nothing about this Mormon kid screams liberal.
Vigilante_Dinosaur@reddit
Yeah they’re moving the goal post already. The shooter isn’t a pink haired trans gender unicorn with a septum piercing.
A white male in a (ostensibly conservative leaning household) with a dad that’s a law enforcement officer? Shit. Must be the radical left ideology that radicalized him! Yeah, that’s it!
parmboy@reddit
What’s obvious to me is he was radicalized by being chronically online, I’d argue it was the billionaires and their algorithms over any one political party.
warboy@reddit
Bingo. As a far left wacko, if people on both sides would fucking figure out that this is a symptom of our diseased society and not of any one ideology, maybe we could actually do something about it.
Until people realize they shouldn't be celebrating a resurfacing of "The Troubles" only American based and also treating the death of a political grifter above everyone else, we're pretty fucked though.
Altruistic_Ad1097@reddit
I think thata lost in all this, all these people the trump shooter, the nancy polosi hammer attacker, this guy there all chronically online losers with not much going on
Honest_Persimmon_859@reddit
Seeing similar rationalizations elsewhere. Lots of focus on the one engraving on the casing while ignoring the fact that all the engravings seem to just be dumb meme shit. Like, if two other casings say "owo what's this" and "if you read this you're gay lmaooooooo" I don't really think we should take what any of them say too seriously.
squidvett@reddit
Part of the reported police investigation included electronic messages he shared with his roommate. So when did he have a roommate? Did he currently have a roommate, or did he live with his parents?
ddesideria89@reddit
Yeah, russian bots tell american patriots what to think
twoDuckNight@reddit
Gotta spin the narrative
parmboy@reddit
You missed a few downvotes
Fear_of_the_boof@reddit
So they think the left are trigger happy terrorists and they… keep talking shit?
unsurewhatiteration@reddit
Fascists don't believe in stochastic terrorism...until they do
Travelingman9229@reddit
No
Suitable-Removeable@reddit
A conservative activist! Truly shocking. I wonder if the right will stop targeting HBCUs, the democratic lawmakers, and DNC…
Probably not given they were so excited to commit violence before we even knew (officially) who this young man was.
Bolotiedeluxe@reddit
He wasn’t a conservative activist. He hated his MAGA family and conservatives, hence killing Charlie.
NorthernSwampHag@reddit
“Engraving” would compromise the structural integrity of the shell. He’d have a greater chance than not of the shell blowing up in the barrel the moment the firing pin hit the primer.
“Drawn” or “written” for sure but “engraved” (the term the media used) leads to the stupidest game of Russian Roulette I have ever heard of.
Slopadopoulos@reddit
Where are you getting that he was a conservative activist?
DeadbeatJohnson@reddit (OP)
I was kinda' hoping some of these people would at least pause and think. I did see some GOP talking about how we should focus on unity, etc...and I knew immediately it was going to come out with information they didn't want.
Suitable-Removeable@reddit
What I’m seeing is not optimistic unfortunately. Would love if it was.
ZanderPip@reddit
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA *breathes* HAHAHAHHAHAHA
candylandmine@reddit
They'll just migrate to another made up reason
AdMuted1036@reddit
No-Knee9457@reddit
Nope.
LiamLiver@reddit
A firm no.
QHCprints@reddit
No, they are still absolutely convinced of the propaganda leaked early on blaming leftists that the WSJ reported on and retracted.
They BELIEVE and you can't fix that with facts or reality.
Slopadopoulos@reddit
WSJ retracted it because it wasn't confirmed by law enforcement. It is now confirmed.
QHCprints@reddit
Link?
Slopadopoulos@reddit
It's in the article above for one thing but it's all over the place. Confirmed by the Utah governer.
Live updates: Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson in custody after manhunt
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Officials reveal sick messages Charlie Kirk suspected killer wrote on rifle casings (Video) | New York Post
Charlie Kirk Shooter Identified, Bullet Casing Inscriptions Revealed
Inscriptions found on bullet casings of Charlie Kirk's suspected killer
QHCprints@reddit
Appreciate the links.
quackmagic87@reddit
They are all hoping onto the "Hey Fascist, catch" on one of the bullets but they don't understand the meaning is from a videogame about "manage democracy." lol
Sinistar7510@reddit
Rumor is he's a Groyper.
Muklucky@reddit
WTF is that?
FlyingDreamWhale67@reddit
Right-wingers who make Charlie Kirk look moderate. Nick Fuentes for example.
Zenceyn@reddit
Nick Fuentes little personal online army.
khamm86@reddit
You got 8 billion people to choose from to emulate, worship or support and Nick Fuentes is who you pick. This timeline is truly trash
Effective-Ebb-2805@reddit
As I understand, it's a person who subscribes to Nick Fuentes' white-nationalist-super "conservative"- Christian- antisemitic reactionary horseshit. They tend to think that people like Kirk, MAGAs, and Republicans are too tame in their fascism... So, basically, nazi-wannabe incels.
Newbbbq@reddit
A Nick Fuentes follower. Google their beliefs. They're insane.
SubstantialPressure3@reddit
I had to look it up
Groyper Army and "America First" | ADL https://share.google/fTmPhxsll8MyrGEfj
morphleorphlan@reddit
Follower of someone named Nick Fuentes, look him up,
HeyItsMeDrPhil@reddit
Had to look it up too. Yuck.
Thehealthygamer@reddit
I'm very happy that I only learned this word today.
Haz3rd@reddit
He 100% is
Radioactiveglowup@reddit
The cult is set up where truth and reality don't matter. What they WISH to be true is.
It's why they claim the guy who took a shot at trump was a trans communist, instead of a disaffected conservative.
It's why they made up ridiculous shit about the guy who attacked Pelosi's husband with a hammer was a 'gay lover', instead of a deranged partisan.
They're going to remember day zero 'My gut tells me it's a trans person with green hair or muslim' and that sticks in their brain far more than any truth. because for example, Kirk was killed exactly in the middle of peddling a lie about this shit, of how 'trans people kill' despite actually being less than 1% of mass shooters. Because they're looking for this imaginary scapegoat to sate bloodlust against.
ManWhoTalksToHisHand@reddit
Trans people are less than 1% of the total population of the United States. When it comes to school shooters, they're not even statistically significant. 3 or 4 out of thousands.
irpugboss@reddit
No narrative was made by design.
People will only remember the rage from the original idea and none of the rational details that followed.
DanielGoon69@reddit
Well the shooter and his whole family are REPUBLICANS, so....
WolfDragon7721@reddit
I think he just hated Kirk. Like it was only about him. But it's hard to know.
Competitive_Film562@reddit
A non trans, white male and an American citizen. His father is a republican sheriff, in a republican state with open carry laws and most likely taught his son how to fire a weapon. You cant get anymore conservative than this.
This isnt a trans or illegal problem, this is a problem with the hate and rhetoric this administration encourages and embraces. Charlie Kirk preached hate and intolerance, and ended up being killed by just that.
Things need to change, unfortunately the current president has no plan to foster it.
Its up to all of us, to try and unite one another and build eachother up. We cant allow a certain sect of people in power to encourage and allow violence to continue and be normalized.
Eiswolf999@reddit
E se io muoio da partigiano...🎵🎶
noweherenews@reddit
Sounds like a internet brain rot victim, maybe even against Kirk from the right.
Notice how in the press conference they didn't say *why* he disagreed with Kirk, just that he did? If there was any evidence that this guy was from an ideological enemy of the admin, I think we would have heard all about it already.
They'll still find a way.
Surrender01@reddit
They detailed what was on the bullet casings in the press conference. He's clearly a leftist ideologue. It's utterly dishonest gaslighting to pretend otherwise.
The_UpsideDown_Time@reddit
Hahaha. Keep spinning, Sprocket.
Young white male from a religious family with an LEO father and a stay-at-home mother, raised in rural, ruby-red Idaho.
Sorry he didn't fit the profile the Right has been jerking off to for days now.
ace1of2@reddit
Bruh you're calling people demons I don't think we need to listen you lol
noweherenews@reddit
Anti-furry memes and "you're gay LMAO" don't check out. Sounds more like a groyper to me. But we'll see soon!
LookWhosBakBakAgain@reddit
Republicans could give a damn about Charlie. They’re just looking for excuses
reality72@reddit
How is an opinion article prepper intel?
noah7233@reddit
No. And if the person is any other race or religion than a white Christian they'll have calls for death to those people most likely
TieFighterHero@reddit
Easy answer....no. These clowns want a civil war as badly as they want to legalize marrying 12 yr old girls. So naturally they will lie and twist the truth to fit their narrative, just like they've done with EVERYTHING these past 10 years.
OpportunityMaximum76@reddit
I’m a U.S. citizen and former intelligence officer. I left the U.S. last year. Not at all upset with my analysis to do so.
kilikikina@reddit
Nope
Slob_King@reddit
No they’ve already pivoted to blaming one of the most conservative state universities in the world for brain washing him
hanumanCT@reddit
No, Maga is our biggest national security liability. They are a rabid blood thirsty, gullible and violent cult that’s foaming at the mouth for a civil war so they can kill all the people they don't like. They are not a reasonable or intellectual group of people that thinks critically. All our adversaries need to do is shoot another Instagram influencer and leave a piece of paper written in sharpie that says 'democrats did this' and can topple us over with a civil war. We are so incredibly vulnerable because of their stupidity.
bardwick@reddit
Says the people who glorify murder.
The_UpsideDown_Time@reddit
You must be referring to all the conservatives who have spent the last three days vowing vengeance and violence on the Left.
Hell, Sprocket, conservatives made so many threats they even made the front page of Reuters for two days: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/right-wing-anger-surges-kirks-killing-fuels-calls-vengeance-2025-09-12/
Surrender01@reddit
Don't bother. These demons can't be convinced. The time for talk is over.
ManWhoTalksToHisHand@reddit
It's been over. It's time for the right to shut up and listen for once. Put the phone down, stop gossiping like hens, and listen. Maybe then you'll see the only ones riling you up are making money off of it.
Voljundok@reddit
"The time for talk is over."
That sure sounds like you're advocating for political violence; funny, I thought that was only 'da LeFt' doing that
gxgxe@reddit
Is that a threat? I mean, is that another threat?
Mouthshitter@reddit
Yeah I saw the people cheer when they executed fisher man off the coast of Venezuela
Big_Knobber@reddit
How about you go ahead and provide us with quotes about after Nancy Pelosi's husband was hit in the head with a hammer and what the right was saying about that.
Go on, go look him up and tell us what they are and how much you despise the people that said that
I'm waiting tick tock goes the clock
hanumanCT@reddit
I don’t remember democrats calling for civil war when an actual democratic lawmaker was assassinated 3 months ago.
The man who killed Demcratic state Rep Melissa Hortman was a Trump supporter
The man who targeted the home of Dem Governer Josh Shapiro was a Trump supporter
The people who wanted to hang Mike Pence and tie up represenatives with zip ties on Jan 6th were Trump supporters
The man who targeted and killed the son of Obama-appointed District Judge Esther Salas was a Trump supporter
The man who tried to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and assaulted her husband was a Trump supporter
The men who were convicted trying to kidnap Dem Governer Gretchen Whitemer were Trump supporters
The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Obama and Biden was a Trump supporter
There is no equivelent or even simialr list of Obama or Biden supporters who have carried out similar murders, attempted murders or violent attacks
You people are violent and unhinged and will direcctly be the cause of this countries undoing. I stay armed because of irrational people like you.
gxgxe@reddit
Republicans? Yeah. I agree Republicans foment hate and vitriol. Been doing it since at least Reagan.
Important-Shame3690@reddit
Let’s go Brandon? Was that the slogan above the images of our president tied up on the tailgate of a pick up?
LFALexus@reddit
Summer of love?
FearTheAmish@reddit
Jan 6th
m0nt4n4@reddit
Well, that would require intellectual honesty, which republicans have shown themselves to be entirely incapable of. So no.
SunchaserKandri@reddit
Hell no, it won't. They'll just make up a head canon where he's a secret leftist, keep on calling for retribution, and the dumbass red hats will most likely believe them.
LoveBulge@reddit
The National media. The social media content grinders. The politicians. They need this to make money.
So, no
The other 91% of us just want to go to work, take care of ourselves, take care of our families, and pay our bills with our inflated dollars.
uncertain_zine@reddit
Hard no. They are working to turn Kirk into a martyr in the same way Horst Wessel was. Despite facts, the shooter will be framed in a way that isolates the other side, as well as helping to define political violence as something that only liberal or enemies of the regime perpetrate.
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
Unlikely. They like demonizing each other too much in order to cater to the extremes in their parties.
Sorry_Exercise_9603@reddit
They won’t let reality get in the way of their ideology.
Nepalus@reddit
The entire Republican Media apparatus has evolved into its current state by realizing that anger, fear, and hate drive a shit ton of ad revenue.
That’s why they were calling for a civil war before we knew who the killer was.
ManWhoTalksToHisHand@reddit
I haven't seen a flag seller in months, yet all of a sudden, I see two of them yesterday.
SalviaDroid96@reddit
This is going to be used by the fascist government to basically lead a campaign against any people or group that disagrees with them.
I wouldn't be surprised to see reddit communities, content creators, etc banned and silenced.
May end up seeing people who are openly left wing face discrimination and police violence.
It's not gonna be good.
Surrender01@reddit
Reddit leftists are already trying really hard to spin this to make him out to be a disgruntled Trump supporter. The casings make it really, really clear he's a radical leftist ideologue. No, this is just going to get worse. This really is a watershed moment. Non-leftists can no longer live with leftists. They're lying demons, and everything about their response to this incident has exposed just how deeply evil leftism really is. All we can hope for now is leftists are simply brought to justice rather than a violent civil war erupts, but there won't be idleness on this one. The lines are already drawn.
C_est_la_vie9707@reddit
Wtf is wrong with you.
QHCprints@reddit
The red hat is too tight.
oakleaf33@reddit
QHCprints@reddit
May they never take them off.
oakleaf33@reddit
Exactly! No better way to know who to avoid than the bright red beacon of hate lol
C_est_la_vie9707@reddit
It never stops amazing me how delusional they are.
QHCprints@reddit
Yea, the last 24 hours have reached new levels of hypocrisy. They truly believe 100% of violence in the last decade has been from the left. There is no fixing that break from reality.
QHCprints@reddit
The casings are literally fake news you fell for. Good job, patriot!
Slopadopoulos@reddit
No they aren't. They've been confirmed and the sayings that were written on them were released.
DeadbeatJohnson@reddit (OP)
You mean the quotes from a videogame?
quackmagic87@reddit
LOL, that dude is delusional. The shooter was most likely a groyper terminally online troll. I mean, I don't know many leftist that just random go "your gay" and cheering for the manage democracy of Helldivers. lol
Surrender01@reddit
Oh ya, take one part of it that doesn't directly point to being a leftist and conclude the whole set of scribblings is, then, not leftist. Just conveniently, dishonestly, demonically leave out all the antifascist and otherwise leftist shit that was scribbled on there.
I'm just blocking you. The time for talk is over. You people are demons and you are liars.
Key_Persimmon_9503@reddit
Everyone remember not to let this divide humanity. It’s literally what they want. Be better than them, please. For the future.
sherwood_bosco@reddit
Not in the slightest. This guy could be a cabinet member and the media would still try to either paint it as a leftist plant, or that he's the victim of socialist propaganda or some nonsense.
Resident_Chip935@reddit
No. They are laying down justification to go after "ANTIFA networks". Trump said he was opening an investigation into George Soros.
In my opinion - most of the stuff we post in here is sort of unlikely to lead to massive problems.
This right here - this is absolutely going to cause real shit to hit the fan.
CrayZ_Squirrel@reddit
gee they should probably call up the leader of antifa and demand a meeting right away
Galmmm@reddit
If history repeats itself, no.
At this point I'm used to maga looking for every reason it can to murder all people left leaning.
Accomplished-Bet8880@reddit
No the hard core racist right has been attacking black universities and educators. This has nothing to do with this guy. All it does is slow down the agenda. They are trying to paint him as a democrat and the likelihood of that is slim to none. This is all a ploy to further the regimes agenda. Be safe Americans. Shits getting wild.
immoyo@reddit
I've seen ppl blaming this assassination on HBCUs even after the first images of the suspect came out. I agree, nothing will stop this this admin's agenda. All things point to a dangerous era of political prosecution and violence.
Kumo999@reddit
He definitely has the Mormon look about him, it won't surprise me if his family is LDS.
SoggyShoes82@reddit
Nope. The right has set this up for their people to believe this was leftist milder and we are the enemy. They did it with the right wing loons who attacked dems despite the clear evidence that it was right wing ideology as the cause. They just need to scream about it from the start and from that point on their base takes it as fact and that anything to the contrary is liberal propoganda. They want to start civil war 2. They won’t dial back anything.
screwylouidooey@reddit
You mean it wasn't that person a bunch of people were doxing? I'm glad I didn't see any of that on this sub.
roostershoes@reddit
Not at all. Fox News crowd is convinced it is the democrats who all got together and radicalized him, then elected him Head Assassin. They literally can’t process anything other than Democrats Bad.
EmperorMeow-Meow@reddit
Anything left of MAGA - is liberal.
He could have been the kind of guy who voted for Reagan, Bush Sr., Bob Dole, Bush Jr - and he'd still be considered a leftist by today's standards.
djserc@reddit
Anyway back to the Epstein files!
DeadbeatJohnson@reddit (OP)
Did you see that somebody got access to Epstien's email account?
djserc@reddit
Yes but haven’t heard much from it yet
Kepler675@reddit
Compared to a scenario where he was never found. Yes.
DeadbeatJohnson@reddit (OP)
I want to think this as well. :/ Hope we're right.
Deathpill911@reddit
Reading from the comments, seems like people don't know how to scroll down and read an article. He was not right leaning or conservative at all. His family might have been, but he clearly was not. Here is the part of the article that people refused to read.
Taste_the__Rainbow@reddit
They’re still mad that “the left” took a shot at Trump last summer. They don’t learn any details that detail their narrative.
RealWolfmeis@reddit
If they were smart it would but they haven't been. Most of these shooters are exactly this demographic (white, Male, conservative, Trumpkin) but they're still blaming "leftists" who just want everyone to have equality, clean water, outdoor spaces and universal healthcare.
Dblock1989@reddit
Nope. I am sure the goalposts have switched to him being radicalized by woke ideology. These aren't serious people.
Passioncramps@reddit
Do you think the average American operates on reason and logic?
Sabre_One@reddit
The whole thing will be forgotten in 2 weeks.
Resident_Chip935@reddit
not a chance
MAGA opened up a war against immigrants.
The second front is against ANTIFA. Patel promised as much as soon as he arrived in office.
Long-Draft-9668@reddit
If he was MAGA adjacent it will conveniently be forgotten. If he was even remotely on the left it will be the only thing we hear about for years.
Sabre_One@reddit
They tried that with the other shooters and it didn't work. They already have a fight on their hand trying to anglicize Charlie Kurk image which is a struggle itself. It's really just the safe bet to let it all die down quickly.
mrpriveledge@reddit
They should cry harder
Less_Subtle_Approach@reddit
Perhaps, but will it change the trajectory of a country predicated on unlimited economic growth that’s running headfirst into the limits of growth? This ride only gets bumpier from here.
bluelifesacrifice@reddit
Nope.
Republicans and Americans enemies want America to go into civil war so they can go to war with counties they hate.
Low-Ad-1448@reddit
Too many people get radicalized by the propaganda being spew. Worse if your family is already a crazy cult. Doom from the start
Details_Pending@reddit
Yeah, turns out he was another incel so the "leftists are violent" narrative is already crumbling
scrumcity@reddit
No. Have a feeling this Rico investigation is going to be trumps night of 1000 long knives. I dont know if he'll have them all killed, but seems like this is gonna lead to mass arrest of all opposition party politicians.
JesusPhoKingChrist@reddit
Nope, they spinning the narrative regardless
TheUpperHand@reddit
Nah, I've seen tons of excuses "he's a fall guy," "he was radicalized by leftist professors in college," etc.
Chief_Mischief@reddit
Let's not forget MAGA turned its anger against Bolton for speaking out against Trump.
Logic and rational thinking do not apply to these folks.
whoibehmmm@reddit
A white, male Conservative, gun-nut is the shooter. A Trump supporter did this, just like they always do. But they will work overtime to call him a radical leftist. I saw some idiot on FOX just this week saying that the shooter in Butler was a leftist, despite it being proven up and down that he was one of their own.
They never take responsibility. And they're just rabid freaks who want violence regardless. They'll find a way.
virus_apparatus@reddit
We crossed some lines way before this. This is a closer tipping point
oakleaf33@reddit
Absolutely not. They create their own facts and believe it to the core. They'll create some sort of left blaming rhetoric surrounding this guy too.
Ancient-Bat8274@reddit
I smell a psyop. A fall guy. The real winners here are Russia and China
MrMorale25@reddit
No clearly hes a leftist extremist! He liked a meme making fun of Trump once back in '16 so its clear hes an agent for Obama!!!!
/s..
Alert-Nebula6215@reddit
Absolutely not. Trump has already signaled the next meddlesome priest he wants to be rid of is Soros. I hope the nursing home he's in has good security.
ImSorryReddit0590@reddit
Of course not. They will ignore the 87 aspects of his life that make him the cookie cutter middle of America typical white boy with a 27 years veteran sheriff dad and a family that loved guns and they’ll find a single element or post from him that fits their desperately needed narrative about the kid being “woke” or liberal and blow it out of proportion to continue calling for a civil war
sonofzell@reddit
Yes. Just like they immediately concluded that the shooter was a Democrat, as if that's the only demographic that could be motivated by Kirk's rhetoric.
Women, non-Christians, Palestinians, sexual abuse survivors, gun violence survivors, anti-pedos, and LGBT have all been equally offended by him, but "radical leftist" just fits their narrative better.
Manager-Accomplished@reddit
This morning on conservative radio I heard the host saying the best thing we can do is forgive and embrace the shooter's family so we can make the world a better place and all have peace.
Where was all this rhetoric before they found out he was a white churchgoing suburbanite?
Academic-Hospital952@reddit
Nope. Doest matter if he was a leftists or right winger, trans or straight. It doesn't matter, they will just say whatever.
The last one they claimed was trans, but if u look into it even a little it's clear they were a hard right neo Nazi. They never mention that. but use him to demonize trans folks.
Contagious_Zombie@reddit
Simple minds have trouble comprehending that you can't paint everyone with the same brush. You can't categorize people so easily, we are all different regardless of similarities in certain areas.
potatoes_arrrr_life@reddit
A white conservative male shooter!? No way /s Can we have gun control yet? Or is the plan to get brainwashed people to start gunning down their neighbors for hanging up a rainbow flag? What about PEACE? Don't y'all want to enjoy life? Why are some people so scared all the time? Could it be the echo chamber of violent and incendiary news they watch? Like moths to a flame! Fox news is cancerous. Wake up people!
Birdybadass@reddit
What kind of ragebait post is this? Peak bot behaviour.
improbablydrunknlw@reddit
Honestly, this sub is falling apart, it has so many moments of it's old self and the second something major isn't happening it's bait posts everywhere
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
It’s clear an ANTIFA plant…just like J6 was the FBI. Until it wasn’t
Serious_Start_384@reddit
"look what you made us do" "look at how confused the left has made one of our own"
"Jesus don't like killing no matter what the reason for" - Some Leftist /s ffs
ExponentialFuturism@reddit
No stopping abrahamic technocracy. Palantir and neoreactionism will protect us /s
BeastofMideon@reddit
Hoooman1-77@reddit
Not at all, Conservitives are Vile blood thirsty creatures
The_UpsideDown_Time@reddit
The Right was vowing vengeance.
Are they going to be targeting conservative Mormon families now?
Responsible-House523@reddit
The blood lust of the right will never be satisfied.
grungeehamster@reddit
Parents are registered Republicans according to article
50_61S-----165_97E@reddit
Antifa is going to be designated a terrorist organisation by the end of the week, mark my words.
Surrender01@reddit
The government never officially designates domestic organizations as terrorists. They can't. The first amendment prevents it. They can only do so to foreign organizations.
DeadbeatJohnson@reddit (OP)
That's not a thing at all.
Atheios569@reddit
Until the next high profile shooting? No.
cheongyanggochu-vibe@reddit
No... Trump and his entire administration all think like Pete Hegseth. And this is how he thinks:
In the book Hegseth says "leftists" have: "surrounded traditional American patriots on all sides, ready to close in for the kill: killing our founders, killing our flag, and killing capitalism". Hegseth says he believes there are "irreconcilable differences between the Left and the Right in America leading to perpetual conflict that cannot be resolved through the political process". He furthermore calls for an "American crusade"; he says the "hour is late for America. Beyond political success, her fate relies on exorcising the leftist specter dominating education, religion, and culture – a 360-degree holy war for the righteous cause of human freedom"
Hegseth describes leftists, progressives and Democrats as the "enemies" of freedom, the American constitution and the United States. Hegseth explicitly rejects democracy in his book, equating it to a leftist demand; "For leftists, calls for 'democracy' represent a complete rejection of our system. Watch how often they use the word," adding: "They hate America, so they hate the Constitution and want to quickly amass 51 percent of the votes to change it". He has also expressed support for election-rigging through gerrymandering, saying "Republican legislatures should draw congressional lines that advantage pro-freedom candidates – and screw Democrats".[3] Regarding violence, Hegseth writes "Our American Crusade is not about literal swords, and our fight is not with guns. Yet."
He also says that conservatives must "mock, humiliate, intimidate, and crush our leftist opponents" and to "attack first" to deal with a left he equates with "sedition". His book "lays out the strategy we must employ in order to defeat America's internal enemies". Hegseth has described progressives and Democrats as the "enemies" of freedom, the U.S. Constitution, and America. Hegseth has said that victory for America includes the end of globalism, socialism, secularism, environmentalism, Islamism, genderism,[a] and leftism, the last of which he refers to as a "false religion" and "specter" that views non-believers as "infidels".
Source
amyel26@reddit
Lol no they're just gonna photoshop a wig and lipstick on a bunch of pictures to prove he was a drag queen.
Jesse_Livermore@reddit
These are the same people who made up and went to war with Iraq after 9/11. Logic, rationale and reason left a long time ago.
DeadbeatJohnson@reddit (OP)
Didn't Colin Powell push back against the weapons of mass destruction thing initially though or am I remembering that wrong?
Jesse_Livermore@reddit
He did but then eventually he fell for the faked intell too.
irwindesigned@reddit
Bots fishing
Dangerous-School2958@reddit
How is this Prepper intel?
Ok_Cardiologist_3835@reddit
I went to a right wing conspiracy board I like to read when things like this happen. They are convinced he isn't the shooter because he isn't trans.
Haz3rd@reddit
Absolutely not. They've got their opportunity to start going after Democrats and they will take it. Unfortunately very predictable, even though the shooters motives are the result of massive Internet brainrot, and not the left or right
tetraodonmiurus@reddit
No too many people on both sides that don’t have a full deck.
voiderest@reddit
Trump talked about other incidents like the DNC personally planned and financed them despite the individuals who committed the acts being right winged or a mixed up ideology of nutter.
And the kind of people that would do a pizzagate won't really change their mind from the "violent left" narrative people want to use as a tool for division and distraction.
wwaxwork@reddit
No because manufactured outrage is how they maintain power.
IdioticPrototype@reddit
Not a chance.