Poland sends 40,000 troops to border before Russian military drills

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Texas_Weed@reddit

WW-III already started and Americans are clueless. Bombs will have to fall before the USA knows there is a war going on.

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KernalKorn16@reddit

Wait they are building up forces near the Poland border? And calling them military exercises? Where have I heard this before…

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Mundane-Style4111@reddit

This may age like milk, but I don’t see that the Russians currently have the manpower and equipment to fight both Ukraine and Poland at the same time, excluding even any other NATO-member.

They may try to choke off the Baltics and hope that NATO or rather Europe will look the other way, but even so this is a huge gamble and could easily go the other way.

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Dude, Ukraine halted Russia's advance. Poland alone would curb-stomp the fuck out of Russia - they've been preparing for this for a long time - while invoking Article 5 (no WAY the EU lets Russia into Poland, that's a big red fucking line for them even if the US pussies out to distract from Epstein.

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flowithego@reddit

You really said "Poland _alone_ would curb-stomp the fuck out of Russia", with a straight face.

Poland ain't curb stomping shit solo. If they could, they would. Just listen to deputy PM Radosław Sikorski. He's itching for a fight, but not without NATO.

This level of delusional disconnect from reality is already costing Ukraine dearly.

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Ricky_Ventura@reddit

Yes, Poland is many times more powerful than Ukraine and Russia is still unable to defeat Ukraine. An invasion of Russia isnt feasible by Poland but Russia absolutely has no ability to invade Poland.

Defensively, Poland alone could curb stomp the fuck out of Russia. The Ukraine invasion has shown Russia to be a total paper tiger.

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flowithego@reddit

Do you actually have any idea or have you done any research on how overwhelming the military power of Russia is over Poland?

Russia has every means to invade a solo Poland. Stay on topic.

Regarding Ukraine, show me on this map how Russia controlling 20% of Ukraine is not achieving its military objectives in eastern Ukraine, where natural resources are estimated in the trillions.

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josephrainer@reddit

I mean yeah, now that Russia has moved the goalposts from “2 week special military operation” where they thought they could capture Kiev and capitulate the country to: “control 20% of Ukraine with a lot of minerals in it” sure, you could say an objective has been completed.

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flowithego@reddit

Show me the source where Russia said "2 weeks" to do x.

Even if you could (you won't), decoys are a part of military doctrine. And if i was Rus strategist, I'd fully play that game where I make it look like I want Kyiv* (Kiev is the Russian spelling) as decoy and focus on the real effort.

See for yourself.

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josephrainer@reddit

Claiming their objective was a decoy is unbelievable amounts of delusion (or “copium” if you’d prefer)

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flowithego@reddit

Jfc you can’t all be obtuse.

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josephrainer@reddit

Who is “you all?” Me and my tapeworm?

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flowithego@reddit

No.

Your tapeworm is a national treasure.

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Poopbicycle1@reddit

I mean I bet they haven't used their good equipment yet.

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josephrainer@reddit

Yes they must be waiting 3 more years and to lose 1 million more soldiers

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Poopbicycle1@reddit

Maybe, we'll never know

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BandosPerdos@reddit

It took Russia more than three years to capture these 20%. This is despite the fact that Ukraine is much weaker than Poland in terms of military power. Moreover, Ukraine was not ready for a treacherous attack. Poland, on the other hand, is preparing for this. Therefore, Russia is unlikely to achieve any success in this direction. Plus, a significant part of the Russian army is now in Ukraine. Which means that Russia will have to take at least some of the troops from there and transfer them to Poland. Which in turn will give the Armed Forces of Ukraine a huge advantage. Of course, Putin can once again declare mobilization, recruit conscripts and send them to fight Poland. But I think that conscripts will not fight much. They will all die in the first weeks, and Putin will have to create another Wagner Group to have someone to throw at Polish positions.

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P2029@reddit

"If they could, they would"

We're not talking about an offensive scenario, because Poland would never invade Russia. We're talking about a defensive situation where Russia attacks Poland, and yes, Poland would stomp Russia out in this scenario, because:

Russia has already vastly overextended its military and economy to annex Ukraine, which has failed.
Poland has been preparing for war with Russia for a very long time.
Poland is the third largest armed forces in NATO after the US and Turkey.
Poland has access to a ton of modern military equipment.
Article 5 would immediately be invoked and all of Europe would respond (likely while Trump rambles and rambles).

Based on the above, Poland could (relatively)easily halt a Russian advance, and I would argue counter attack to strike very effectively into Russian territory.

If you care to include some statements to support your claims, I'm happy to be educated on an alternative view.

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flowithego@reddit

Thanks GPT.

Now let’s get back to your original point of “Poland alone curb stomping Russia”.

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P2029@reddit

I don't know why you're being such an enormous asshole about this, calling me "GPT"? Can you not just have an adult discussion without resorting to petty insults and name-calling? Unless you are a child, in which case I suggest you continue to work on your rhetorical skills. And just so you know, both my reply and this statement was 100% typed by my organic, human meat-thumbs.

I'm not engaging in this discussion with you anymore, asking for me to do your research for you to substantiate your arguments is absurd and an enormous waste of time.

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alej2297@reddit

The problem is that they don’t need manpower. They just need to sow enough discord in the NATO alliance with fear of nuclear war that it falls apart. And with the rotting orange at the head of the US government, they might think the gamble is worth it.

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Mundane-Style4111@reddit

NATO might fall apart, but there are still nukes sprinkled around the continent.

Maybe the French and English pull a ‘39, maybe they nuke Moscow or St. Petersburg. There’s an awful lot of guesswork involved in all this, unfortunately.

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Poopbicycle1@reddit

The French have their own problems right now

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alkbch@reddit

No, they will not. Nuking Moscow or St. Petersburg will lead to the death of billions of people.

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single_use_12345@reddit

last time Poland was invaded by Russia did France sent its boys to die for Poland?

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Mundane-Style4111@reddit

Well in historical hindsight it was cowardice, but tbh the Brits and French just didn’t seem to anticipate many of Hitlers moves + you had „neutral“ countires such as Belgium which refused the French offer to extend the Maginot-line up to the North Sea.

I don’t know if we’ve learned anything from this, but here’s hoping we did.

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New-Doctor9300@reddit

Battlefield 6 might be on to something with the whole "Pax Armata" thing

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ConsistentHalf2950@reddit

How will their aging t54s stand a chance against Poland

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alej2297@reddit

It doesn’t matter. The biggest check to Russian aggression in the baltics is the promise that NATO forces would follow suit. If Russia can attack a smaller NATO power and not trigger Article 5, they have won in Putin’s eyes, even if Poland would suplex them into the ground.

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ConsistentHalf2950@reddit

Poland and a few other countries would join in for their own hide. Russia is so weak I’m a sure a Cold War era military would spank them considering they’re down to using Cold War surplus.

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Crazed-Prophet@reddit

-Political Violence by some unknown professional shooter stirring up anger; retribution and resistance being called by the respective sides

-Sitting president appears to have had a seizure; on top of that questionable if he would help Europe should anything kick off

-US forces stretched thin around the world; Venezuela, Israel, Iran, theoretically Ukraine and Taiwan, Mexico; military having difficulty recruiting

-Financially struggling US where the common person is reaching their financial breaking point (In my Area: the high end middle class is selling off their luxuries that don't cost anything just keeping them.... These are the ones working for the mines that have the 'good job'. Indications that not even they can keep up with costs.)

This is looking like the best time to strike, when the US is distracted and weak.

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wavestersalamander69@reddit

Europe is starting to build a independent military industry for example Denmark canceld a multi-billion contract because they preferred their own missile system.

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Planeandaquariumgeek@reddit

They don’t even need Trump, Hungary will almost certainly veto a Article 5 declaration and if even 1 vetoes its off the table

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Paladin5890@reddit

Article 5 isn't voted on, it is just declared.

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ABoutDeSouffle@reddit

If a country invokes Art. 5, all NATO members will react individually - they are free to just send a letter of concern or go nuclear.

However, the collective response of NATO is decided in the North Atlantic Council, which is a political body.

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Notcooldude5@reddit

lol

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weenkles@reddit

That's not how it works, article 5 cannot be vetoed! One country can choose to ignore it, that's all. And that country had better be prepared to go it alone after that.

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Striper_Cape@reddit

Not true

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Mundane-Style4111@reddit

We’re kinda late, this all should’ve started in ‘16 back when we had time.

I’m always reminded of weapon procurement and development projects in Denmark and Czecheslovakia back in 1938 that were due to be delivered sometime in ‘42 or ‘43…

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Nvrmnde@reddit

This is why Finland builds their own as much as they're able to. Never again. A german company huffed about some equipment bought from a finnish producer instead of a foreign one. It's obvious why preferring domestic is crucial in defence industry.

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SHY_TUCKER@reddit

Weird. It seems like you didn't read the comment you ate responding to, which claimed Poland doesn't need NATO to beat Russia. Its al.ost like people just talk past eah other online.

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SlumLordOfTheFlies@reddit

I seem to recall Russia invading Ukraine successfully under Obama and Biden, but not even trying it under Trump

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One_Long-Truth@reddit

What! He’s not currently attacking Ukraine ?!

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canthinkof123@reddit

But remember the war would never had started if Trump were president. He won’t be able to say that anymore

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Tyrinnus@reddit

Biden was asleep at the wheel and made put in bold (/s)

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algaefied_creek@reddit

Russia just needs the US to use the same backdoor they used for Israel - the one that disabled the defense systems for SA and Qatar to permit the Israeli strike…

They just need the US to disable that for a couple hours in Europe, and to stand down from any calls for article 5

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DJbuddahAZ@reddit

That's the scary part , you keep pushing Russia, they start firing the big firecrackers

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carlitospig@reddit

They have like 3500 nuclear missiles or some crazy number. Maybe don’t poke the Russian bear?

That said if I was Poland I’d probably be taking advantage too. So what do I know.

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ABoutDeSouffle@reddit

Who is poking Russia?

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carlitospig@reddit

If we follow Mundane’s advice ‘akin to how is the time because Russia can’t really do much damage’, I would consider that poking the Russian bear. Fighting a nuclear power has definite rules of engagement so you’re not over escalating.

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Dapper_dreams87@reddit

Did everyone forget the meeting with China and North Korea a week or so ago? This was planned.

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Malcolm_Morin@reddit

We didn't think they had the manpower before they invaded Ukraine.

Then they invaded Ukraine.

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ABoutDeSouffle@reddit

On the contrary, everyone thought Ukraine wouldn't have the manpower to defend against Russia. Everyone also thought they would not blatantly break international law and trash their economy in the process.

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Nvrmnde@reddit

We rather thought they wouldn't act against their own interest. It appears their interest wasn't in international trade.

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SouthernWindyTimes@reddit

Attack Poland. Tactical nuke either Ukraine or their own land. US goes into Civil War. China goes for Taiwan. Iran bombs Israel. They respond with nuclear action on Iran, after seeing Russia use one (or vice versa). This is World War III, the beginning date hasn’t been decided yet but will looking back.

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Nvrmnde@reddit

US has already troops on streets internally. Israel just attacked Qatar, russians have sent drones into Poland. It's cooking.

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SouthernWindyTimes@reddit

I can promise you I am not wrong. We have officially, and honestly this past two weeks, crossed the point. Israel bombed 6 countries now so far. Russia and Belarus are doing the same military drills they did in Ukraine. China wants Taiwan but can’t do it until everyone is focused on EU/Russian and the US is alone. When I say internal civil war I mean one with escalations and more like The Troubles. Domestic terrorism, assassinations, martial law. I’d hate to be Japan right and SK right now not knowing if the US is actually coming to help.

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ABoutDeSouffle@reddit

Chill, Russia and Belarus are not going to invade NATO territory any time soon. Yes, last time, the Zapad exercise was a pretext for an invasion, but they can't just march over the border - they didn't do so in 2021, but kept their soldiers at the border for half a year.

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single_use_12345@reddit

Turkey for Grece's islands, Hungary for Transilvania, Serbia for Kosovo and so on... we only need a Gavrilo Perincip to put the world in fire again

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SouthernWindyTimes@reddit

It really is college students who be setting off revolutions. I’ve never actually looked into specifically til this comment.

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Theflyingdutchman85@reddit

Scrap the US civil war and make that trump invades Canada, nato is to busy in Europe

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melympia@reddit

Venezuela - that's where he sent some warships, isn't it?

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SouthernWindyTimes@reddit

Here’s what the scariest part about the Venezuela thing. If we seize those reserves we’d own such a wide gap of oil, it’s not even funny. So I don’t understand why/how Russia would just willing give it up unless, it’s because they know they are getting the rare earth metals in Ukraine.

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SouthernWindyTimes@reddit

Civil war I honestly mean heavy censorship, martial law, and a more troubles like engagement. But even then I do agree. If we were to engage Canada right as Russia engage Poland or Ukraine (nuclear wise) … oh I don’t even want to think of that. Russia from the North, attack Canada from the South, seize Greenland to protect from the Atlantic. No one is coming from the West to help them. Oh no.

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howdiedoodie66@reddit

More likely Sonora

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lady_fresh@reddit

But I am le tired...

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BraveFilm7757@reddit

Well take a nap ....THEN FIRE ZE MISSLES ! lmao

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casher89@reddit

Wow. Brings back memories

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BraveFilm7757@reddit

Startling how true that little comic is turning out to be , theres even a giant comet / asteroid heading our way ! LOL

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osoBailando@reddit

meth and fully automatics enter the chat

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Plenty_Sir_883@reddit

I think so too.

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Few-Scarcity75@reddit

I think they are anticipating America being too busy with it’s own domestic “issues” aka using military against its own citizens, to help it’s allies.

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Nvrmnde@reddit

Isn't this already happening currently.

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East-Impression-3762@reddit

I think the kicker for me right before the Ukrainian invasion was the reports of field hospitals being set up and blood reserves being transported.

I have no idea what this information does for me in the current situation Russia is provoking. Do they have the equipment/ will to do that part again, or do they recognize the first wave over the border won't be needing field hospitals? Them not being present doesn't really mean "no invasion" to me, I guess

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PilgrimOz@reddit

That’s assuming they put lol their eggs in the one basket and didn’t reserve anything or anyone. Russia still has most of its experienced northern fleets in their icy regions that were never deployed (for instance). And when you take a good look at the conscripts deployed in Ukraine recently…there’s a lot of drunken old men and prisoners. Don’t know for sure what he’s been holding in reserve? Personally, from the starts I reckon he’s been trying to engage NATO and wouldn’t do that unless he had a wider plan and better stocked undeployed weapons and equipment. Plus, once he gets NATO involved, he gets a blank cheque to spend on resources and conscript as many as he wants. In other words….he kinda needs WW3 to kick off because as it stands he is ‘losing’. And his history show (outside the Ukraine war) he doesn’t like losing and will try anything to win. Just look at his political opponents. Or what is left of them.

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Mouthshitter@reddit

America will not help Europe

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Serious-Setting-7866@reddit

Could be a sunk cost issue: "We could absolutely win against Ukraine and the combined forces of European Nato if we escalate and conscript every abledbody as we did during the Great War." Politicians these days haven't exactly been acting like rational parties.

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danvapes_@reddit

They do this exercise yearly, but the drones etc certainly raise an eye brow.

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Zephyr_Dragon49@reddit

If there's no blood bags its all posturing

I remember when headlines stated blood bags were being transported to the supposed Ukrainian border "exercises" and then a day or 2 later they made their invasion crossing. When something as valuable as blood heads to the border, then I'll believe it

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single_use_12345@reddit

we also have to watch that pizza place near Pentagon

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Hallex993@reddit

Wake me up when they mass 100000 any less and it’s posturing

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Rhaj-no1992@reddit

It’s the first Zapad military exercise since the invasion of Ukraine

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grahamfiend2@reddit

The recent summit of the axis of evil in China really makes the timing so suspicious here. There is definitely some potential of something actually going down.

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

I know right!?!

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Shrewta@reddit

The world is getting hot

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

Ahh don't worry! nuclear winter is a possibility!

ehh, that felt bad typing.

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Mundane-Style4111@reddit

Never mind all the other shit, but Imma lose my shit if I die because of the dumbass in the Kremlin before EU:V and GTA VI drops.

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tomtoff@reddit

As a game loving Northern neighbor I'd also prefer to stay un-irradiated. Fuck... do I have to replay skyrim again before the lights go out? I still want to try borderlands 4 world!

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

How old is Skyrim again?

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Berlexo@reddit

Replaying one last time..

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MobilityFotog@reddit

Would the states be safe from EU fallout?

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

~~Just... geeze, how to even begin to explain all the possible ramifications of a Nuclear Heavy Bomb war.~~

~~Have you heard of "MAD"? Mutual Assured Destruction? That is about where such weapons fall... heavy nukes are not a precision weapon at a~~

... No, with Heavy Nuclear bombs it is likely a MAD situation. If not through the initial blasts, the effects of them in the atmosphere would even harm crops and sun for a long time.

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MobilityFotog@reddit

I'm familiar with mad. Just wondering if EU fallout would travel this far

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melympia@reddit

And you honestly think nobody would involve the US, one way or another? Some nukes are bound to go there - Russian, Chinese, Indian, French/UK false-flag, doesn't matter. But the chances of no nukes finding their way to the US are negligible. If a nuclear war happens, that is.

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

Depends on how they hit and how many honestly.

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Mundane-Style4111@reddit

Well, certainly not from nuclear winter.

Though I heard Argentina and New Zealand are in the Goldilocks-zone after the fallout.

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

Aren't all the billionaires buying there?

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Bubbelgium@reddit

Keep in mind that both French and British strategic nukes are submarine based. There will be no way for the Russians to know if that missile that just popped in the middle of the ocean was launched from a French, British or US sub.
So the US might get hit with more than just a nuclear fallout.

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CannyGardener@reddit

Hahaha something I'd expect over on r/collapse ;)

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

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CannyGardener@reddit

I mean ya gotta laugh or ya cry right? ;)

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alastrix@reddit

Ah this will make a fine addition to my doom scrolling.

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CannyGardener@reddit

Hahaha I honestly find it a bit less stressful to read than r/PrepperIntel because there is a sort of communal feeling of acceptance and dark humor about the whole situation. Mostly the same topics are covered in both locations, I'd say r/collapse is a bit more long term thinking, 5-10 year window, rather than immediate window like r/PrepperIntel . ;)

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YeetedApple@reddit

Its not an unpopular opinion in Poland that war with Russia is likely inevitable, and they have made clear that they would rather have the fight in Ukraine than in Poland. There is at least some that are for unilaterally joining the war even without nato backing because of this.

Given the recent escalation, if other nato countries are willing to support Poland entering in some capacity, it could make it much more likely they decide to do so.

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King_Kea@reddit

Honestly, I'm all for a coalition of the willing approach. We know Russia won't stop with Ukraine. If we want long-term peace that is just and effective, then stopping Russia in Ukraine is the best thing to do IMO.

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alkbch@reddit

You understand the coalition of the willing is only willing to provide assistance to Ukraine AFTER a negotiated peace deal AND with the support of the United States?

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thousandmilli@reddit

Nope. Even if our goverment decided to do that (doubt) this would be political suicide for every party. Polish troops in Ukraine would be perfect target for russians to weaken our capibilites without war with Poland.

Also russia is weaker than one might think, thats why they threating us after we closed border, apparently China dont like it. This is mostly cognitive hybrid war.

Main target of russias actions towards poland is to create division and spread misinformation. They want us to stop helping Ukraine. Easy as it is.

NATO response was good and quick. (Watched it in real time instead of sleeping)

The biggest problem may be orange turd but i think NATO even without USA is just stronger.

Fuck putin, fuck orcs

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YeetedApple@reddit

Even if our goverment decided to do that (doubt) this would be political suicide for every party.

I think this is a big reason it wouldn't happen if this blows over. Its one thing to think its worth fighting Russia in Ukraine before it reaches you, its a whole nother thing to actually make that decision to enter a war like that.

Hope everything stays calm for you over there.

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Nvrmnde@reddit

EU is rearming because US right now is a limp noodle

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nikolai_470000@reddit

I’ve been wondering if the wind is blowing that way as well. I’ve seen a lot of things to that effect, saying that Poland is kinda fed up and ready to fight and put Russia back in its place. I say let them. The Poles do not mess around. I wouldn’t be shocked if that was enough to force Russia into actual negotiations. Russia moving troops that way is a bluff designed to prevent this from actually happening.

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Galaztic_Turtle@reddit

Hmmm. Must be some “special military operation”

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dude_from_ATL@reddit

I feel Poland should have allowed Ukraine to attack Kaliningrad a long time ago. These two countries are already at war and with Russia threatening Poland. Seems like a good strategic move IMO by Ukraine and Poland/Germany surely would like to have Russia no longer own this land.

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Nouseriously@reddit

How does Russia even have the extra manpower & fuel for drills?

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Nvrmnde@reddit

Probably emptying Karelia and Kola Peninsula again

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The_Arch_Heretic@reddit

Poland has been chomping at the bit for revenge on Russia for almost 100 years. Let them loose and watch the Ukraine war end in weeks.

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maxallergy@reddit

Poland are some of the only ones who have always taken the threat seriously and prepared accordingly
I hope it doesn't resolve in war and that tensions die down, but if it's Poland, I have faith they will protect their borders with great success

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single_use_12345@reddit

Si vis pace, para bellum. If a Russia-Poland war won't happen is probably because Poland knew that it will happen and avoided it by taking things seriously.

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maxallergy@reddit

If only the rest of us had that foresight
But most of us are hilariously unprepared and saw all the warning signs as the boy crying wolf
Now it might just be too late

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JafarFromAfar2@reddit

Seeing as Putin just met with Xi, is there any possibility that Russia and China have some sort of handshake agreement where Russia creates a diversion/distraction for China to invade Taiwan? Low chance of actually happening, but the timing of this is suspect to me with everything that’s going on (Trump health issues, US stock market in a bubble, US-Venezuela tensions, Europe instability).

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single_use_12345@reddit

Not sure if a Taiwan invasion will happen or not but if it will happen, the things will be so well orchestrated that US and Europe won't have more than prayers for Taiwan's pain

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Plus_Affect_8535@reddit

My thoughts exactly.

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Classic_Tale6498@reddit

How likely could something escalate.. Are military exercises like this (not by Poland) regular ? Or common

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Plenty_Sir_883@reddit

Russia attacked Poland the other day with drones.

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Classic_Tale6498@reddit

I’m aware lol but obviously Putin could walk this back, I was just trying to figure out how common joint training is for them, I’m also aware of the start of the Ukrainian Russian war

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melympia@reddit

Apparently, these joint exercises happen every couple of years.

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Kara_WTQ@reddit

Russia last held exercises of this type and scale immediately before the invasion of Ukraine.

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Plenty_Sir_883@reddit

Gotcha! Sorry, I thought you didn’t know about the drones.

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Dobbs50@reddit

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melympia@reddit

Replying just so I can close this thing on my mobile...

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AB-1987@reddit

Welp, seems like I should clean and comfyfy my basement.

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scrandis@reddit

Why do they need to hold drills? They have an actual war as their playground

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Honest_Persimmon_859@reddit

There's no way Russia actually has enough troops available to actually try anything more than just their usual antagonizing and boundary pushing, right? Like, maybe if they didn't just spend the last 2 years using all their resources, but it seems like they've already got about as much on their plate as they can handle and you'd think they must know it but who knows at this point.

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Enough-Bobcat8655@reddit

If they've already used all of their resources in Ukraine, why hasn't ukraine won yet?

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Honest_Persimmon_859@reddit

Because Ukraine also has basically no resources left, and it's easier to machinegun a bunch of guys rushing at your trench than it is to rush across an open field at a trench full of guys with machineguns, so neither side has enough forces left to push the other back very far, they only can really try to hold what they currently have. It's basically just attrition at this point. Most of the shitty, outdated tanks and equipment that they had at the beginning of the war to just throw at the Ukrainians because it was outdated anyway is gone now, that was something they could only use once. The prisons have already been emptied. The poor people have already been drafted. If they had a bunch of fresh tanks and bombers and shit it would probably make more sense for them to use them to win in Ukraine than it would for them to just start attacking Poland for no reason when the EU is currently not directly interfering.

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Enough-Bobcat8655@reddit

I think underestimating Putin is a grave mistake.

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HappyAnimalCracker@reddit

He has proven some ability to recruit resources from other countries. Now that Trump has essentially forsaken US allies, a little bit could go a long way for Putin. As to whether it would make more sense to expand his ambitions beyond Ukraine (assuming he could drum up said resources), there are probably arguments for both sides. In general, I agree that underestimating Putin isn’t a good idea. He’s gotten pretty far with his long game approach to destabilization of his adversaries.

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iMecharic@reddit

If they conscript their entire male population they can totally invade. Win? Eh.

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PurpleCableNetworker@reddit

Mail order Russian bride sales gonna moon after that.

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New-Doctor9300@reddit

CO frag rates would go through the roof if that were the case

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iamthewhatt@reddit

Yeah but then if they lose, Russia ceases to exist as a country. I'm not sure they are willing to put that to the test.

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Honest_Persimmon_859@reddit

I read something a while back in an article about their manpower for the Ukraine War that a lot of the people they have left who would be conscriptable are the kids of the wealthy people whose votes Putin still sorta needs just enough that drafting them could be an issue. Not sure of the accuracy of the report, though, since I think the original source was Ukrainian intelligence or something. Then again, I've also seen articles saying that their economy at this point is basically dependent on a war continuing for them to keep spending money on or something, so there's a lot at play here. Hopefully nothing happens, though, and this all calms back down.

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Odd-Guess1213@reddit

Not gonna happen. They’re getting fucked in Ukraine and you think they can open another front with the rest of Europe? Come on.

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New-Doctor9300@reddit

The point isnt about winning against Poland, its about testing NATO's resolve. If he can fight in a war against Poland and Article 5 isnt enacted and the rest of the pact dont directly get involved, he would have fractured it.

The entire reason behind NATO in the first place is "an attack on one is an attack on all". If NATO as a whole doesnt get involved to help Poland, the pact has ceased to exist and Europe will not be united militarily.

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