Reddit bots really can't contain their happiness for this dude's death. Know that the only difference between you and the shooter is that he is less of a coward.
"The dude spent his career trying to get other people killed," got a source? And I completely disagree with your characterisation of him being a Nazi. Would you welcome your fave woke media personality being brutally murdered? Even though I'd disagree with the message spouted by such folks I would think it's abhorrent to just kill them so flagrantly. There's no place for that in society.
I'm not saying I support shooting people. Charlie sure did though. He fought for his destiny daily. I'm sure you've seen all his shitty quotes by now. He thinks people are okay to sacrifice, as long as you can keep the guns basically lawless. I guess I can't call him a Nazi directly, but he definitely did Nazi that bullet coming
Negative. He espoused the beliefs of his faith and the constitution of the United States. You're taking his quotes way out of context with that last diatribe especially. Do you now want to retract your characterisation of the shooter as a 'Nazi'? Or do you want to acknowledge the shooter as one of your own ilk?
Huh? Charlie called for the execution of Joe Biden. He thinks civil rights was a mistake. You need to wake up pal, your listening to idiots and believing them.
"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
He thought trans people should be denied healthcare. If you don't think that equate to deathS then you're the exact kind of constituent the people he helped put in power wants.
He wanted to ban gender-affirming care not healthcare. It's incredibly disingenuous to say that he wanted to prevent them from getting healthcare. Do a simple google search before you twist peoples words.
Gender affirming care is healthcare. Also, is that still okay with you? Like, it's none of your business. It doesn't effect you in any way and if you think it's "muh tax dollars!" Bruh. Please. A person getting a sexual transition surgery for free costs a lot less than what these fucking corporations are talking us for. Wake up and fight the real enemy.
Regardless of my or your opinion on gender affirming care it doesn't change the fact that you completely twisted the words of a recently assassinated man to make him look bad. And yes, I wouldn't want my tax dollars to go towards gender reassignment surgery. That is a cosmetic surgical procedure. Would you be okay with you're tax dollars being spent on someones BBL?
Yes. I would be okay with my tax dollars going to someone's BBL. Take all the money used to kill children across the ocean and give everyone bigger assess. I'm not twisting words to make him look bad, he uses his own words to make himself look bad. You're just either evil, ignorant, or both.
You're dying on the weirdest hill rn. Just admit you were mistaken and move on. You actually just said you'd be okay with paying for some random person's Brazilian butt lift just so that you wouldn't have to walk back on your point. All I did was point out that your initial claim that he wanted to deny trans people healthcare was disengenuous, which it was. I don't see how that makes me ignorant or evil.
If a transition surgery would help a kid not kill themselves, you would not pay for that? You're lumping that into your BBL argument. Just showing you how silly it is. He fought against trans rights. He ran Turning Point
Iirc he likened it to deaths by car accidents later in this context.
Ask any American if car related fatalities are worth the cost of being able to have individual mobility. I'm sure the redditors of not just bikes would find it reasonable to then laugh about the 39,000 car related fatalities and claim that leopards ate their faces.
No you miss understand. The most kids die from guns. Every year. Also, a car's purpose is transportation. A guns purpose is ONLY death. Do you see the difference there buddy? Honestly I'm still for banning cars AND guns
Boy it's going to be a super fun news day if it turns out the shooter was actually a deranged MAGA supporter who shot him because he's pro-zionist or something
But guys the left is not agressuve at all and they are very peaceful people and would never resort to violence against a right wing activist just for talking to people. No, that would never happen. Classic.
I dont really care i did not really listen to him nor do i agree with him on most points. Its just funny how the tolerant and empathic will be happy to see someone die
Are you sure they just arenโt Charlie Kirk fans that took his words to heart? Didnโt he famously say that empathy is a made-up word and does a lot of damage?
So why should his supporters, in fact, anyone be empathetic when he himself says they shouldnโt be? If you feel empathy about his death, youโre just shitting on his legacy. Best way to live on his legacy is to not feel sorry for the dude and his family
Its just the truth. Would that guy that got shot shoot a leftie for disagreeing with him. I dont think he would. The left is a normie cespool. You cannot be over 10 and believe this is right
Worked with one of them not all of them, and he had a very long list which did not only include people he worked with but a lot of people in the abortion field, logic points first towards him being a pro-life extremist.
Look on this plebbit cespool and see the censorship of these neckbeard crusty disgusting mods of some of these subs and how they justify the violence and advocate for more of it and are happy that an innocent person got shot cause they dont like his opinions and they are deadass serious. I hope i will never have to live among people like those. Hateful, bitter, moraly bankrupt, racist, and physically responsive.
How stupid do you gotta be to blame the entire side of the political spectrum for this one personโs actions? We donโt even know anything about the shooter yet.
According to the ADL and the FBI, a little over 75% of all ideologically motivated homicides in the last decade have been committed by far-right extremists, and the further you look back the higher that percentage gets. Cope and seethe, moron.
Probably it does. Is that a bad thing ? Every tragedy of a politician is debated publicly. Its just fun to watch leftist morality be completely fluid and nonexistent
The time that gun control could be feasible is long past, Luigi Mangione showed what an amateur could accomplish with a hobbyist-grade printer. The tour date was long announced, the kind of person deranged enough to do this would have plenty of time to prepare.
Gun control is still feasible, we just gotta shoot each other a bunch more first to get it all out of our system. Then we can say enough is enough and pass some decent laws for once.
There are multiple countries where citizens are allowed to have guns but where gun deaths are much rarer. There are other options between the current situation and no guns.
Gun control doesn't mean abolishing gun ownership.
Until 1990s you could bring gun to school keep it in your locker and go to you schools shooting practice after school my great uncle and his kids have trophies from his schools shooting team.
That's what all gun grabbers say. They start with high capacity magazines, and it ends with knife control. Then, you don't have the right to defend yourself.
Canada has nothing stricter gun control laws than the US does. It nevertheless sits in sixth place in estimated guns per capita. It happens to have 4 times fewer firearm homicides per capita than the US.
The quality of laws has no bearing on the amount of control put in place.
In fact, if the federal government passed one law outlawing all guns, there would only be one gun law. Yet, there the effect would be much drastic than the current system. This is how absurd of a metric that is.
My point being that more control isn't what's needed.
You say 'well it works in other countries' but other countries aren't America. The vast, vast majority of countries aren't nearly as big (let alone diverse in terms of geology, culture, population) as America is.
Gun control maaaay work in other countries, but because of countless other factors that allow it to work. It simply can't in America and I cannot think of anything else implemented in America that would meaningfully change anything while simultaneously allowing citizens to bear arms as free as they want.
Oh wait, I can think of a couple changes.
Improve the justice system and improve mental help facilities. Not an easy process but it's one we need for many, many reasons that extend far beyond gun violence.
Yeah a reformed justice system and basic healthcare & mental health care would be nice, but those are the herculean tasks, compared to what can be done about the 2a legislation.
A well thought, centralized, gun licensing and ownership reform could really help with most of the problems we have right now, including the gun violence to some degree.
Right to bear arms is a constitutional right not just in US but in Czechia as well for example. And they have near negligible per capita gun violence and killings, all while having less restrictions than half of the US states, i.e. you can conceal carry a 30 round Skorpion if you want.
Most straightforward way would be just mirroring their legislation on federal level (with exceptions for open carry of shit like assault rifles where it exists already why not).
So:
Mandatory licensing to own a gun (auto renewal why not)
Hard written and practical test (safety issues)
Strict background checks
Medical & mental health check every 5 years
Single Federal electronic registry for both personal and per weapon licenses
Mandatory secure storage for the weapons
Tbh I could see this allowing for a single interstate gun permit instead of having to collect them per state like pokรฉmons, unrestricted conceal carry, and loosened regulations for types of weapons and ammo (i.e. bullshit like 7 round magazines in NYC)
Thatโs not going to take the guns off the street. It wouldnโt solve anything either. Kirk being murdered was with a hunting rifle or sniper. If they canโt find the weapon then knowing who bought it wouldnโt do anything. Especially if they can just scrape off the serial number. Thats not to say make it easier to get guns just that this guys wasnโt your average Joe. It was obviously a hit piece maybe special forces maybe military but they had experience. Blacked out hiding in the roof
So you just didn't bother to read. K. At this point I can only assume you're a troll or you're arguing in bad faith. Either way, I'm not engaging with you anymore.
Your argument is essentially "America is magical place where everything is magically different. What works everywhere else wouldn't work here. Source: My ass."
You can't really expect to engage with it seriously.
Start sharing peer-reviewed studies that show how each of the factor play a role in the effectiveness of gun laws. Then, we can start talking about facts and science. Otherwise, there is no reason to think America is so meaningfully different from, say, Canada that similar policies wouldn't yields comparable outcomes.
This argument is even worse than the nirvana fallacy you guys keep making. No civilian force has ever overthrown their government without the support of its military in recorded human history
You tiny band of gravy seals with its pissant light arms are without leadership, moral and all your comms are tapped. The second the bodies start to drop you'd all route
This argument is even worse than the nirvana fallacy you guys keep making. No civilian force has ever overthrown their government without the support of its military in recorded human history
Literally never? That's extremely difficult to believe.
and by submitting, the same way you currently do for driving vehicles on public roads. Believe it or not, this keeps a lot of fuckwits from piloting a large metal missile around
No, I advocate for letting citizens have the means to defend themselves.
I also advocate for people who desire to arm themselves, to train with their weapon of choice.
I also advocate for an improved justice system so we don't have repeat offenders walking the streets (e.g. the guy that stabbed that Ukrainian woman).
I also advocate for better mental help services so people with mental disorders can be treated instead of being shoved out onto the street without any support.
Work on all these things and society improves. Gun control is nothing but a performative gesture that soulless politicians love to do because it's an easy solution that earns them votes, without actually ever going into why this kind of violence happens.
It's nothing more than a bandaid, except it's a bandaid that actively harms good natured people (whom comprise the majority of the population) by limiting the means to defend themselves against evildoers.
It's only feasible if you change people's idea around it. You take it away and in the US people see it like you're taking free speech. You ban it and some people to fight to the death than to loose it maybe even cause a 2nd civil war. Other countries banned or limited it after mass civilian casualties because it wasn't worth the risk. In the US doesn't matter many massacres it'll always be justified.
Why does everyone act like gun control is this all or nothing binary? The societal view on guns would have to shift, but that could be done. 50 years ago people smoked like chimneys and now rates have plummeted due to continued health effort. Our current gun laws are either a ridiculous set of hoops and rules that are more of a roundabout ban than an actual solution to underlying issues or they fetishize guns so hard you get a pistol along side your birth certificate and guns get more legal protections than people.
So you assume that the leftist strategy to ban guns is to become the problem they say that exists?
Well. Iโd rather die in the process of eliminating them all than banning guns and being forced to live in the world with these sick people, just like you.
There are 500 million legal guns in the US. The country directly boarders a country that have militarised gangs that have and continue to smuggle guns. It's completely infeasible to remove guns. Any attempt would just concentrate guns in the hands of criminals and disarm responsible gun owners.
It's ironic and sad in retrospective, but what he spoke was true.
Can't really go backwards with warfare-changing technology, only forwards. Maybe he'll pull through, but chances are slim with the amount of blood he lost.
The most patriotic American death - death at a school shooting, which happens to be at the same time as another school shooting, while defending guns and downplaying gun violence statistics. The day before 9/11.
I didnโt say he would. I asked if you think he would. He did not die willingly, I think that much is clear. I have nothing to prove, as I asked a question.
Nobody WANTS to die, nobody would WILLINGLY take a bullet because that won't prove anything -- if you stand for gun rights you also acknowledge that there's a chance you will die by a gun, exactly the same for cars and a low barrier of entry for solo transportation
the point is more that these kinds of people always seem to think about these things in regards to other people, and when it comes down to it they themselves never expect to be the one experiencing the violence.
No one expects to die in a car crash, but we all passively accept the possibility when we step into a car or walk on the sidewalk. It doesn't make you a hypocrite for driving a car while hoping not to get t-boned. His stance was that the 2nd amendment is worth some gun deaths, and it could happen to absolutely any of us.
yeah, and again my point is internally he probably thought that he'd be fine. most people think like that. we have an easy time passively accepting the danger because on some level we think it wont happen to us. that's why you always hear people saying shit like 'i never thought it'd happen to me', or 'i never thought it'd happen here', all the time after various traumatic incidents. the guy that's going drunk driving knows it's dangerous, he just thinks that he wont end up being one of the people that wraps their car around a tree or runs someone over. i have seen this exact thing repeat over, and over, and over. another example is that a lot of people do illegal shit because they think they will be the exception who wont get caught, that's part of the reason you see so many morons do crazy shit without even bothering to hide their identity. my point is i think kirk was probably thinking like that, at least on some level. we'll never know for sure though, because he's dead lol
i could start pulling up all of the various clips people have been posting of his various horrible viewpoints, but that would require a time investment and i don't feel the need to spend my day trying to convince you of reality.
Don't worry about the clips, I've already seen them all. And I've also looked for the original videos for context. So far nothing has been particularly bad. I'm assuming you are going to talk about the "believing gay people should be stoned to death one" without showing that he was explaining a Bible passage, not agreeing with it. He said "perfect law" in air quotes because the person he was arguing with was trying to say the bibles "perfect law" supports gay people.
I think you have to stretch the truth pretty hard to apply all these to Kirk (5, 6, 7, 13, 14, 15, and 16 in particular I can't draw any connections to without significant mental gymnastics). However I can see if you want to apply them to the right as a whole by picking extremist individuals who do or have done one of these before. I also think that these points are a bit vague, I can easily apply most of these to Japan (by replacing white replacement with Japanese replacement), but I don't think Japan is fascist. Same goes for Malaysia. I mention those two countries because I lived in them for a bit so I'm at least somewhat familiar with how life is there and how the government operates.
If we look closer to the dictionary definition of fascism, you need to have an authoritarian leader, a social hierarchy, a totalitarian government, use violence to suppress political dissident, reject democracy and liberty, while ceding all your rights to the state. We are pretty far from having this on any meaningful level, however I would agree that the right is more fascist than the left, even if they aren't actually fascist.
TL;DR, posturing occurs when there's severe damage to the brain and it basically involves involuntary flexing of the muscles in certain predictable patterns (decorticate and decerebrate) that are dependent on the area of the brain that was damaged. in the case of decorticate posturing it usually indicates damage to the brain stem, which is what kirk likely suffered on impact.
like the other commenter says, in the case of decorticate posturing you flex backwards, straightening your body out and pointing your toes which curl, your neck and spine curl backwards, your arms will bend up at the elbows and curl inwards with your shoulders angled straight down, your fists clench and also curl inwards, and you sort of end up in, or close to a position where your fists are sort of turned sideways over your nipples, that's the best way i can describe it. people often compare it to a 'mummy pose'.
there's a pretty good diagram on the wikipedia page that will show you it visually, once you've seen it enough times you can identify it pretty easily, in kirks case you can see him start to do it immediately on impact, but because of how he fell his arms didn't really go up all the way to his nipples, and the video cuts before you see what happens once he's on the floor. if you've ever seen a spider curl up when it dies, this is like the complex mammal version of that.
That's what Battlefield taught me. Multiple gun shots? Defib. Tank shell hit you in the scrote? Defib. Catch a 2000lb bomb dropped from a A-10? Defib. It truly is a fix kinda tool.
Iโve personally seen a man with his throat blown off from small arms who survived. In my experience Iโve seen the human body take an absolute beating and keep chugging on and at yet Iโve seen what look like minor issues end someone in moments.
Saying Charlie Kirk only 'debates people' is a massive understatement that completely ignores the actual harm his rhetoric has caused. Itโs like calling an arsonist a 'light-provider.' He didn't just 'debate'; he used his platforms to mainstream conspiracy theories, encourage political violence and poison the discourse. He built a brand on provocation, divisiveness and ideologies that have tangible, negative consequences for society.
And? Bro had absolutely no influence in politics at all. Held no official positions or any political power. He spews hateful rhetoric, like thousands before him and thousands after him. In the grand scheme of things, he's a harmless ragebaiter with majority braindead takes that debates fucking stupid college kids. The world doesn't need to be sheltered from hateful and negative ideologies; it needs to be shown these people so that they can be rightfully ridiculed and dismantled.
100% agree tbh. People act like hes the worst person in the world and deserves death. Sure, you can call him a piece of shit human but he didnt directly harm anyone
Joseph Goebells didn't directly hurt anyone. Neither did the people at Rwandan "Hate Radio". Hendrick Verwoerd may have designed South Africa's Apartheid system, but he didn't physically harm any black people.
By your standard, those people weren't really that bad either.
Sure sure. There's tens of thousands of "harmless ragebaiters with majority brain dead takes" in this country. Yet, Charlie Kirk's death warranted an announcement from POTUS. Hmmm...
Who gives a shit what that pedophile president thinks lol. Of course he's gonna talk about how the death of the guy who dickrode him is a 'massive tragedy' while completely ignoring the democratic lawmakers that got assassinated. Kirk got clowned everywhere he went for the way he went about spreading his political views and a bunch of other stuff like backtracking on the epstein files and calling the admin his friends, but because of the nature of his death, he's just gonna be seen as a martyr now.
Learned all those words from your boyfriend? I swear I've read that exactly paragraph word for word from the thousands of other bots and redditor around here, when it comes to discussing pretty much any figure thats remotely right leaning.
Canโt go backwards with warfare-changing technology (that everyone else in the world has yet doesnโt deal with this level of gun violence outside of warfare).
I don't think believing the right to bear arms is the exact same thing as being okay with assassinating people who you don't like for the crime of... debating people/saying "controversial opinions"
Fellow debaters/pundits/ordinary people, or actual murderous/evil people being assassinated? I think there's a pretty big distinction. I never listened or watched him, so I'm curious who he wished death on.
The defended and advocated for the dude who attacked paul pelosi with a hammer. He probably advocated for some kind of violence against Trans People. What goes around comes around
I know you're trolling, but for the slim chance that you're not: please read the second sentence aswell when you're looking for a word.
Here is the full comment:
The defended and advocated for the dude who attacked paul pelosi with a hammer. He PROPABLY advocated for some kind of violence against Trans People. What goes around comes around
You read the rest, there's no probably about the part that I quoted.
If you want to air lift the "probably" from one sentence to the other to change the meanings of the sentences I cant literally stop you but you should know thats fucking stupid as shit.
Is he saying you should bail this guy out and beat him up? Or you should bail him out and interview him? He sounds like he's just talking and riding this train wherever it goes lmao.
He wasn't genuinely asking people to go bail him out. He was pointing out the hypocrisy of how murders get released in Chicago but if someone assaults a Pelosi, they hit them with the whole book. Finish the video before you comment.
Where's the lie tho? He seems quite enthusiastic about Paul Pelosi's skull being caved in with a hammer and Nancy Pelosi potentially being harmed as well.
The only honest form of the argument is that, yes, people will die, it's worth it, the Right to bear arms is more important than some number of deaths.
Gun deaths are inevitable in an armed society. - Charlie Kirk. No specification about when and where; just that we have to accept them to have 2A. That was his stance and he died by it.
Not the same. That guy didn't go around promoting hatred he was just demented.ย
Why anyone defends this narcissist is crazy.ย
Going around capuses "Prove me wrong" is it really that surprising? He didn't care about the kids in Uvalde, Sandy Hook, Parkland or the poor people of Charleston or Vegas. He said it was "unfortunately" worth it to keep 2A. What about those families?
Maybe Myron Gaines will think twice about his antics too. Desperate leeches going around trying to get clout and fame from hate. Not surprising one bit. And to the people who are saying "oh we shouldn't be cheering for violence" pretty sure we knew it was going to come to this especially all I mentioned above. Not to mention we all are still secretly rooting for Luigi. We'll I'm not so secret about it ๐คทโโ๏ธ thoughts and prayers.
Is that a threat? What happened to peace and free speech? Pretty sure you don't even understand the definition of communist. Also where was that energy for State representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were killed at their home near Minneapolis? Or the kids killed in Colorado yesterday? Also thought the Epstein files was a democratic hoax? Why did Republicans vote against it?ย
I am kind of curious... so if I stab someone 3 times in the neck. Is it the knife that did it? People need to realize tools are toolls. People do bad shit... we didn't have this type of shit 60 years ago. Why?
This is true. If it were difficult to own a hammer it'd be difficult to drive a nail into wood. I wonder what would become more difficult if guns were difficult to own?
Also we had "this type of shit" 60 years ago if you can't realize that then you are lost.
Right, right, it would have been just as easy to kill ol' Charlie running up past security and stabbing him during his conference as it was to snipe him from 200 yards for sure.
Hereโs another one for ya. Gun violence is far higher per capital in conservative dominated cities where guns per capita is also higher. Coincidence right?
Wow, gun violence is more common in places with more guns? I would never have guessed. It sure is a good thing that as soon as you take those guns away, the rates of other forms of violence don't rise to compensate.
Yeah. Gun control laws are shown to have little to no effect on the total violent crime rate, which would imply that yes, criminals are using other weapons when they can't get guns. Moreover, any reduction in total violent crime would be mirrored or exceeded by increasing gun ownership instead.
Where do you want to start? Bad economy and job market? Housing market? Feeling of general hopelessness increasing? Distrust in institutions? Social media and its influence on society? The fucking culture war?
Itโs going bad, people start feeling bad. Some get mad and turn to violence. This shit will only increase.
This has to be one of the craziest, most cosmic levels of irony many of us will ever witness. Dude hadnโt even finished his mocking response to the question before he was chocking on his own blood.ย
His last statement was him fear mongering and lying about trans shooters being more dangerous then cis shooters, advocating to revoke trans peopleโs 2nd amendment rights, and deflecting from the cis vs trans shooter statistics debate towards a racist dog whistle about ~~black people~~ โgang violenceโ stat padding the numbers for cis shooters.
Charlie Kirk was still doing that 2016 Trump campaign stuff. You know when all that 'liberal destroyed by facts and logic' was a meme. He was still doing that. It was so inane.
Yeah, but he talks about lots of other stuff too, it wouldn't be as ironic if he was talking about trans or immigrants, or one of his many other talking points...
He was correctly reframing a question about "Mass Shootings", to highlight that the vast majority of "Mass Shootings" are gang violence. Gun Violence Archive (which defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed) recorded 503 mass shootings in 2024. The Rockefeller institute has a more detailed definition that excludes "Gang violence, targeted militant or terroristic activity", and has recorded just 502 mass shootings since 1966. A [2016 study] (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26822013/) covered by CNN, which defined "mass shootings" as "having four or more victims and donโt include gang killings or slayings that involve the death of multiple family members" found there had been 90 US mass shootings since 1966.
Dude, I am not an american, nor am I on team right or left. I do not care about this shit. I thought it was interesting timing. Like someone else responded on my comment, rare cosmic irony.
theres clear video of a guy behind charlie signing right before he gets shot, quite damning evidence all over the internet. private jet leaving the area, turning off call sign right afterwords. jewish guy being the fall guy at first and getting arrested first, kirk starting to switch stance on israel. list goes on and on
"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
The argument would be that if me a normal man with no specific combat skills decided I wanted to murder some people if I have a knife I'd kill one maybe two people. Maybe like five if they were elderly and I was lucky.
If I had a hand gun I could easily kill like 10.
And if I had an assault rifle I could easily kill like 20-30.
With a little planning and more ammo with the guns I could easily double those numbers. But with good knife crime planning I probably could only get another one or two.
So yeah people will always be violent but there are better and worse ways to slow them down.
Ironically none of that would have helped Kirk though, because if one specific person really wants another specific person dead they'll probably get em eventually doesn't really matter what the laws are.
yes guns are deadly, thats why citizens should have them to prevent tyrannical governments, and people who wish to do them harm.
You are vastly over estimating your numbers. School shooters cant hit thoes numbers preying on the most vulnerable people in society.
This is going to sound insensitive but the number of people that are killed in mass shootings is almost a rounding error. Using the raw number of gun deaths per year, which includes suicides, gang violence, and justified homicides, you are 4 times more likely to die in the eu from the lack of air conditioning, than a gun. You are 2-4 times more likely to die in the hospital because of medical errors than a gun, you are 15 times more likely to die from heart disease than a gun. Thoes numbers go up exponentially when you remove suicides from the death count. The fbi also showed that there are between 500k and 2 million defensive uses of guns per year. Guns aren't the problem brother.
Charlie Kirk said a similar thing and now he's dead...which is acceptable is I guess the argument.
But what do I know? I'm just a safe Australian with universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare doesn't actually have anything to do with this But I like to bring it up before Americans tell me that actually I'm in terrible danger and living in oppression or whatever it is you are going to say.
Weren't you guys arrested for going outside during covid? I wouldn't pretend you are on a high horse.
The argument wast that it was acceptable, no normal people wants anyone to die. The argument was a pragmatic one. There will always be evil people in this world and having a way to defend yourself and others from them is preferable compared to disarming everyone.
No, that never happened. As I understand that there was a quarantine facility for international travelers in Western Australia. And for some reason in America that was reported as a special prison for people with covid or something.
You Americans kind of need to get it out of your head that the other Western countries are like you but somehow notably worse or lacking freedom or something. Because that's just not true. Even if what you said was true COVID is kind of finished now, so how would that be a valid argument about my freedoms today?
Also you say it's a pragmatic argument, but I made a pragmatic argument: about the damage One crazy person can do with a gun vs a knife. But let's ignore that how would you respond to the fact that Australia instituted far-reaching gun control laws in the 1990s and gun deaths, Both crime related and mass shooting related, have absolutely plummeted.
Our citizens are safe and free. The only possible argument you can really make is that you're in a better position to overthrow your government. But if you want to talk about pragmatism, that's always been a fantasy.
You guys are the only country with mass shootings consistently happening so I mean you could easily prevent a ton of tragic violent deaths. It depends how important you feel having guns is. Is it worth the cost of the those lives or not, thatโs the calculation.
well we all have seen what it looks like when you don't have the means or situational awareness to defend yourself with recent tragic murder of Iryna Zarutska.
and now people are making fun of Charlie Kirk for defending gun rights. i don't agree with Kirk on many issues especially involving Israel but watching him being shot was shocking, it's a gruesome display and i can't help but sympathize with him and wish him to survive and recover.
Thank goodness someone had a sensible take. The nonchalance about a man being publicly murdered is pretty disappointing. You don't have to like the guy, but do remember that he's human, that he has a family. It isn't a small thing for any of us to die, no matter how often it happens.
That would require empathy, something Kirk was firmly against. He straight up said empathy is a new age term that does a lot of damage. Combine that with that he has said that gun deaths is something he is okay with and you can see where the reaction comes from.
you couldnโt even get either one of those points correct in the context of what he said. You just want to celebrate and youโre coming up with excuses.
people are treating him with the same sensibility he himself treated victims of violent attacks. so, none. if you publically say some innocents die but thats something youre willing to live with dont expect to be given any sympathy
I don't see how acting like the person you disagree with is right. It's not a points game, there's no cosmic justice in behaving in a way you think is wrong out of spite. He is in no position to be affected by it, so you only harm yourself.
Yeah. I thought the ยซjust the jugularยป in combination with ยซgonna be fineยป was going to make the slight sarcasm in my post obvious, but I guess not.
I saw it. The whole ยซgonna be fineยป was written with just a smidge of sarcasm and should be read in conjunction with the ยซjugularยป-part of my post.
People confuse the jugular and carotid all the time, I think it's because of the idiom "go for the jugular". Looking at the entry point the bullet probably tore through both the common carotid and the vertebral arteries on the left side, he never stood a chance.
Bro thinks Iryna could have saved herself from getting stabbed in the chest by someone who was sitting behind her if she had a gun ๐ a lot more people are gonna die like Charlie and actually statistically speaking, since he was killed yesterday a bunch more people have already died in the same way, but yeah, what all those people actually needed was more guns.
sometimes i think that a victim has at least a right to retaliate immediately. and you know few other things that could have saved Iryna are: 1)racism (around blax never relax and don't sit with your back to them especially to black men); 2)segregation.
Why anyone defends this narcissist is crazy.ย
Going around capuses "Prove me wrong" is it really that surprising? He didn't care about the kids in Uvalde, Sandy Hook, Parkland or the poor people of Charleston or Vegas. He said it was "unfortunately" worth it to keep 2A. What about those families?
Maybe Myron Gaines will think twice about his antics too. Desperate leeches going around trying to get clout and fame from hate. Not surprising one bit. And to the people who are saying "oh we shouldn't be cheering for violence" pretty sure we knew it was going to come to this especially all I mentioned above. Not to mention we all are still secretly rooting for Luigi. We'll I'm not so secret about it ๐คทโโ๏ธ thoughts and prayers.
Yes and we have also seen what it looks like when you have 0 security at an event in a place where there's almost 0 restrictions on firearms. This is Utah right, where are all the good guys firing back and stopping the shooter? At least 9 or 10 of them should have been strapped right?
You essentially asked where the good guys with guns were. It not having security only matters to the criminals. A responsible gun owner is going to obey that law and not have a weapon on them regardless of if they have to walk through a checkpoint
Wait did the killer shoot from orbit or something? If not there were either patriots with guns nearby to stop him, or it was in a regarded "no guns allowed :)" zone with 0 enforcement. That is not actually any form of gun control.
It not having security only matters to the criminals
That is my point. No gun control and no security. Are you saying that neither gun control nor security at the event could have prevented this?
You could if you have been around guns. You would just need to zero a maven, zeiss or some other high end optics to the yards required. If you knew where he was going to be it would just take a few hours at the range for prep.
But this dude knew what he was doing. That still isnโt an easy shot to make in those circumstances.
Under the changes in HB 128, which went into effect on May 7, individuals who are 18 years old or older and have a current Utah concealed weapon permit (CWP) may carry a weapon on campus, including in an โopenโ fashion.
what are you going to do, shoot your way out of getting sniped? or shoot your way out of getting sneak attack stabbed? ive seen a video of the stabbing. this shit is so quick and unexpected you cant really do anything and is more indicative of a deep cultural rot than anything else. unless you install rear mirrors in your head youre fucked before you ever realise it
Why don't you say the whole quote, rather than choosing just the part of the quote that lets you twist his words into fitting your view that he's a bad person who deserved it
The vid is up on /pol/ right now and I just saw it. That was the largest amount of blood I have ever seen ejected from a wound in so short of a time, a literal geyser and a very disturbing experience to watch. He was dead before he hit the ground
I used to watch the odd shock video out of morbid curiosity, but I stopped after I realised I could remember each little bit in vivid detail. Now I always wonder what people get out of watching it.ย
He was a classic "greatest ally"-conservative in this regard. Funny how they actually took out one of the last big milquetoast conservatives with this.
I'm setting to get the feeling a lot of people here have never been on 4chan. The common thread on 4chan is edgelord humor. It doesn't have to be left-wing or right-wing, for as long as it's in poor taste.
what? cheering for someone's death is never okay. Rooting for violemce neither. We can do better than being violent and killing each other because of disagreement. Charlie was just talking, who shot him is a coward
You have no idea if they would have bought a black market gun and done this. Part of the problem is unrestricted access and why your dumbass country leads the world in public shootings by a large margin year after year. Itโs the price you pay for the second amendment. He was quite happy to spout that off after every school shooting.
4x less than the US by most metrics. They also have strict regulations around carrying and transporting, no concealed carry, cannot be loaded during transport. The guns are linked to military service where citizens are issued weapons and keep them after service. Itโs tied to national security and military service not self defence.
You can do what you want with the per capita numbers but you canโt look at life in a vacuum. Thereโs a ton of factors at play.
These people are sick in the head. dehumanization works and being upset about someone getting assassinated on video in a public space is apparently โPearl clutchingโ. But me not wanting men in womenโs bathrooms is fascist or whatever word they want to use.
Someone cares a bit more than theyโd like to admit, because if you didnโt care youโd just move on without a second thought. Kind of funny if you ask me
So first it was โnobody cares,โ now itโs โactually I do care, but only because Iโm laughing at you.โThatโs not really a winโฆ it just shows you needed to move the goalposts.
If all youโve got is trying to milk reactions, then youโve admitted you donโt have an argument, just an audience problem.
Calling it cognitive dissonance doesnโt make it true lol, you went from โnobody caresโ to โok I do care because itโs funny.โ Thatโs the definition of shifting positions.
And deflecting to Charlie Kirk doesnโt change that. Youโre proving the only thing youโve got here is trying to get a rise out of people, which is exactly what you claimed to be laughing at.
Yeah, the thread is about Charlie, but my point was about you. Again, you went from โnobody caresโ to โI do care because itโs funnyโ, and now itโs โthatโs what Charlie did too.โ Thatโs not an argument, itโs just shifting ground. If all youโve got is recycling memes and calling people snowflakes, youโre not actually saying anything.
If you can't shoot a masked group of men(ice) and walk free like it's just thursday, then nobody should own weapons. They're absolutely not saving you from tyranny.
Look how nepal bros just destroyed their social democracy regime to get even more leftist government. You don't need much guns to topple anyone if you're organized enough.
Redditors always acting like dark humor is so 2010 but it will always be true that other people believing you shouldn't joke about a topic makes it more funny. Dark humor stops being funny when the target starts rolling their eyes instead of being offended, like what happened with 9/11 jokes, but right after something new happens is the best possible time to make one of these jokes.
Also there being such a horrible video that many have seen makes it feel more personal so people will be all the more offended.
These people don't know what real violence or poverty really is . They never will and maybe if they keep provoking the wrong people they will get to experience it. After that I pray to God to have mercy on them . I've lived in 3rd world countries where I have seen such extremes . Trust me you don't want to experience it .
A person that's generally pro gun getting shot isn't meme worthy but someone that's an outspoken supporter of a thing getting killed by that thing is definitely ironic.
Like Steve Irwin. He was generally pro gun which is ironic. But yea, there is a factual autistic point to be made about the acute irony of that moment: that mass shootings and single target assassinations are different things. The irony would have ripened if he were opining on gun violence and the 2nd amendment.
With a sense of humor? Are you mentally challenged? Are you by any chance on some medication? Because you need it and your thoughts are not normal, you donโt belong in a civilized society. Iโm serious. Nobody NORMAL is laughing at anyoneโs death. Doesnโt matter republican or democrat. Insanity.
Man it would be dumb not to see the obvious irony and joke in an anti-restriction car owner getting ran over. Everyone with a sense of humor is laughing.
Dumbest thing I read in a while. Like saying an anti-restriction water drinker drowning. There is a difference between things that are made to kill and things that have a different purpose.
What like a sovereign citizen? Yeah that'd be kinda funny but I feel it might be a little harder to make the connection for some people. An advanced joke if you will.
Irony doesnโt make it something funny? Youโre a disgusting human with no sense of humor just a mental illness. Take your pills and crawl back into your asylum please and leave society.
Totally sad because we created a society where this happens on the regular. School shooting in Colorado followed. Sure, let people have rifles. Also let idiots like Trump have the platform. His own Mom and family warned of this.
Man I can't believe you edgelords are acting like this now. On 4chan nothing is sacred. Honestly 4chan is the first place I'd expect to see a joke about this
So funny seeing the party of peace mocking someoneโs death not knowing that all theyโre doing is radicalizing and created 100,000 more mini Charlie Kirkโs. You guys are a hoot
kind of like when the right was laughing when pelosis were attacked no? also kinda similar to when they were laughing about 2 democrats getting shot in minnesota, right?
Oh I thought you were talking about Charlie doing those things. My comment was about mocking Charlie Kirkโs death and that radicalizing more people. Not what other right wingers did. Right wingers mocking political violence is still fucked. Iโm not supporting it. Iโm just saying the lefts reaction to Charlieโs murder is just going to end up biting them in the ass
the first one is literally about charlie kirk doing it....
and yeah the online left's reaction is fucked and INSANELY bad optics, but almost every big democratic figure has said its bad and talked about turning down the temperature, we have to stop treating random online dumbasses on the left more seriously than we treat actual politicians on the right
Someone who Charlie Kirk banged their wife/husband
Obviously the most likely suspect is a white liberal man, but remember that's what we thought Trump's shooter was, turns out it was a "right"-leaning kid. (Right in quotations since I've heard so much BS about it, point is it wasn't a cut and dry lib extremist)
Those options could be possible, but the three I listed are FAR more probable, particularly the first one due to distance, area hit, and the fact certain public figures tweeted about the incident very soon after it happened as well as some statements Charlie Kirk made prior to this event.
"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
People keep saying how thatโs taken out of context. With full context, his message is even more ignorant ;
โNow, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. Thatโs a price. You get rid of driving, youโd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving โ speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services โ is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that youโre not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you wonโt have a single gun death. That is nonsense. Itโs drivel. But I am, I, I โ I think itโs worth it. I think itโs worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universeโ
That would be really unfortunate to die from an artery randomly exploding the second someone cracks a whip, you'd be shining off to heaven seeing how everyone is going to think it was irony. No wonder why they couldn't find a shooter lol
Not sure why his fan base and the GOP / MAGA would be getting so snowflake emo about him getting shot...
They should be celebrating this stuff.
His death is prophetic proof that their efforts to protect the 2nd Amendment haven't been wasted.
Him being killed by what their collective efforts have achieved, is not something they need to mourn.
Them being upset about it, would only serve to mark his lost life, with a tone of hypocrisy.
And that is simply uncalled for - It's speaking I'll of the dead.
Maybe harden the schools and offer to train any willing teacher who wants to do their job and protect our kids under their care? No, that's fascism or some shit.
Kirk: โI think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.โ
Eduardobobys@reddit
Reddit bots really can't contain their happiness for this dude's death. Know that the only difference between you and the shooter is that he is less of a coward.
jbasinger@reddit
The dude spent his career trying to get other people killed. You cannot be serious lol
realityIsPixe1ated@reddit
Source?
jbasinger@reddit
You know Christian Nationalists are neo Nazis, right? You know Nazis are bad, right? You need a source telling you Nazis are bad?
The dude thought kids should watch public executions. Guess he gave his own a front row seat ๐
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073
realityIsPixe1ated@reddit
"The dude spent his career trying to get other people killed," got a source? And I completely disagree with your characterisation of him being a Nazi. Would you welcome your fave woke media personality being brutally murdered? Even though I'd disagree with the message spouted by such folks I would think it's abhorrent to just kill them so flagrantly. There's no place for that in society.
jbasinger@reddit
I'm not saying I support shooting people. Charlie sure did though. He fought for his destiny daily. I'm sure you've seen all his shitty quotes by now. He thinks people are okay to sacrifice, as long as you can keep the guns basically lawless. I guess I can't call him a Nazi directly, but he definitely did Nazi that bullet coming
realityIsPixe1ated@reddit
Negative. He espoused the beliefs of his faith and the constitution of the United States. You're taking his quotes way out of context with that last diatribe especially. Do you now want to retract your characterisation of the shooter as a 'Nazi'? Or do you want to acknowledge the shooter as one of your own ilk?
jbasinger@reddit
Huh? Charlie called for the execution of Joe Biden. He thinks civil rights was a mistake. You need to wake up pal, your listening to idiots and believing them.
Duskav3ng3r117@reddit
LOL who was he trying to get killed. Let me know. Most insane claim I've read about him today.
Fun_Position_3615@reddit
"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
-Charlie Kirk, same day before the shooting
Duskav3ng3r117@reddit
Now where in this quote did he try to get someone killed?
jbasinger@reddit
He thought trans people should be denied healthcare. If you don't think that equate to deathS then you're the exact kind of constituent the people he helped put in power wants.
Duskav3ng3r117@reddit
He wanted to ban gender-affirming care not healthcare. It's incredibly disingenuous to say that he wanted to prevent them from getting healthcare. Do a simple google search before you twist peoples words.
jbasinger@reddit
Gender affirming care is healthcare. Also, is that still okay with you? Like, it's none of your business. It doesn't effect you in any way and if you think it's "muh tax dollars!" Bruh. Please. A person getting a sexual transition surgery for free costs a lot less than what these fucking corporations are talking us for. Wake up and fight the real enemy.
Duskav3ng3r117@reddit
Regardless of my or your opinion on gender affirming care it doesn't change the fact that you completely twisted the words of a recently assassinated man to make him look bad. And yes, I wouldn't want my tax dollars to go towards gender reassignment surgery. That is a cosmetic surgical procedure. Would you be okay with you're tax dollars being spent on someones BBL?
jbasinger@reddit
Yes. I would be okay with my tax dollars going to someone's BBL. Take all the money used to kill children across the ocean and give everyone bigger assess. I'm not twisting words to make him look bad, he uses his own words to make himself look bad. You're just either evil, ignorant, or both.
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073
Duskav3ng3r117@reddit
You're dying on the weirdest hill rn. Just admit you were mistaken and move on. You actually just said you'd be okay with paying for some random person's Brazilian butt lift just so that you wouldn't have to walk back on your point. All I did was point out that your initial claim that he wanted to deny trans people healthcare was disengenuous, which it was. I don't see how that makes me ignorant or evil.
jbasinger@reddit
If a transition surgery would help a kid not kill themselves, you would not pay for that? You're lumping that into your BBL argument. Just showing you how silly it is. He fought against trans rights. He ran Turning Point
Prophet112668@reddit
I don't like trains and I don't like corpos. What now?
jbasinger@reddit
Have you considered abusing drugs and/or alcohol?
Prophet112668@reddit
No, and I've never done either.
MMQ-966thestart@reddit
Iirc he likened it to deaths by car accidents later in this context.
Ask any American if car related fatalities are worth the cost of being able to have individual mobility. I'm sure the redditors of not just bikes would find it reasonable to then laugh about the 39,000 car related fatalities and claim that leopards ate their faces.
jbasinger@reddit
Gun deaths are the leading deaths of children
MMQ-966thestart@reddit
Car accidents are leading to the deaths of children as well. Again. Let's ban cars then.
jbasinger@reddit
No you miss understand. The most kids die from guns. Every year. Also, a car's purpose is transportation. A guns purpose is ONLY death. Do you see the difference there buddy? Honestly I'm still for banning cars AND guns
tjdans7236@reddit
Which is why driving cars is a constitutional right without any regulations whatsoever
MMQ-966thestart@reddit
Unlike driving a car, carrying a gun is actually even explicitly allowed by the constitution.
oni_no_onii-chan@reddit
Christianity's love thy neighbor rule could save him.ย
If he wished good things for others instead of being cost of gun rights, then he himself wouldn't be cost of gun rights.
ShockSword@reddit
"Reddit bots"
under a 4chan screenshot lmao
ShartBandit@reddit
You're on reddit regard
Losbin@reddit
This subreddit does not represent actual 4chan. It has been taken over by Reddit leftists.
WastingMyTime98@reddit
โReddit botsโ โUnder a 4th a screenshotโ โOn Redditโ
ojplz@reddit
๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ
big_whistler@reddit
Humans think this too though not just bots
Ban_Bots_Not_I@reddit
Auth scum celebrate this. Can't duke it out with words so they kill him to silence him. The true fascists.
Garchompisbestboi@reddit
Boy it's going to be a super fun news day if it turns out the shooter was actually a deranged MAGA supporter who shot him because he's pro-zionist or something
gami13@reddit
kirk is literally the auth scum dummy
oni_no_onii-chan@reddit
Political compass lingo in big 2025. Shut the fuck up with this "auth" shit.
Milei's libertarian regime police is beating up retired uncle protestors everyday.ย
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
But guys the left is not agressuve at all and they are very peaceful people and would never resort to violence against a right wing activist just for talking to people. No, that would never happen. Classic.
delta4873@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_shootings_of_Minnesota_legislators
snoopdogitydog@reddit
didn't the shooter staff for tim walz, and the 2 he shot were the only dems to vote republican right?
gami13@reddit
not really, and walz only kept him because he was already appointed beforehand, it also wasnt some high level guy
snoopdogitydog@reddit
i meant wasnt melissa the only dem to vote against healthcare for illegals?
jbasinger@reddit
Hey woah buddy, they said there would be no fact checking
JonathanQShrimpling@reddit
No death is too sad to attack your political enemies with, classicย
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
I dont really care i did not really listen to him nor do i agree with him on most points. Its just funny how the tolerant and empathic will be happy to see someone die
LegendaryStarSpirit@reddit
Are you sure they just arenโt Charlie Kirk fans that took his words to heart? Didnโt he famously say that empathy is a made-up word and does a lot of damage?
So why should his supporters, in fact, anyone be empathetic when he himself says they shouldnโt be? If you feel empathy about his death, youโre just shitting on his legacy. Best way to live on his legacy is to not feel sorry for the dude and his family
Prophet112668@reddit
Go on. Finish the quote.
JonathanQShrimpling@reddit
Lol im glad you admit it
ToolkitSwiper@reddit
Rightoid brainrot of the highest order
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
Its just the truth. Would that guy that got shot shoot a leftie for disagreeing with him. I dont think he would. The left is a normie cespool. You cannot be over 10 and believe this is right
cygnusx1_@reddit
What about those democratic senators? Damn, short term memory?
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
Enlighten me on this. I am not american luckily so i dont follow all your scandals. Show me an article so i you dont strawman what happened
Garlic549@reddit
Here you go
ad895@reddit
That wasn't as cut and dry as you think it was. There where some money ties that where never really looked into.
zeldaprime@reddit
The classic right wing counter, "What about this potential theory which may or may not be correct?"
ad895@reddit
Are you retarded? The dude worked for them. Of course there could be other motives.
zeldaprime@reddit
Worked with one of them not all of them, and he had a very long list which did not only include people he worked with but a lot of people in the abortion field, logic points first towards him being a pro-life extremist.
Pixel_Mango@reddit
Stay in your stupid country please
cygnusx1_@reddit
Iโm not American. You can Google outside of America too, right??
https://alabamareflector.com/2025/06/14/minnesota-house-democratic-leader-dead-after-targeted-shooting-democratic-senator-also-shot/
Dumbass
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
Namecalling classic. Did your father fall into a cumshaft?
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LateNightDoober@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack
Not a gun, but legit the same thing you are yammering about that allegedly only happens with people on the left.
No worries though, I remember being 16 and talking like I fucking know better than the whole world too.
Adept_Elk285@reddit
It's ragebait
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
Look on this plebbit cespool and see the censorship of these neckbeard crusty disgusting mods of some of these subs and how they justify the violence and advocate for more of it and are happy that an innocent person got shot cause they dont like his opinions and they are deadass serious. I hope i will never have to live among people like those. Hateful, bitter, moraly bankrupt, racist, and physically responsive.
big_whistler@reddit
How stupid do you gotta be to blame the entire side of the political spectrum for this one personโs actions? We donโt even know anything about the shooter yet.
Chadzuma@reddit
Maybe he's stupid enough to use his eyes to see all the reddit leftists rabidly unabashedly cheering it on
gami13@reddit
kind of like when all right wingers celebrated that a trans teen killed herself?
BingBongFyourWife@reddit
It could be a hundred libtards stoked on his death- that doesnโt make it representative
Not everybody is on Reddit, not everybody is on Twitter, etc
And the people that are, not everybody comments. Lots of lurkers on every platform, I think a majority actually
Rustic_Mango@reddit
Iโm not cheering, it seems itโs just an unfortunate consequence of our 2A rights.
SynysterDawn@reddit
According to the ADL and the FBI, a little over 75% of all ideologically motivated homicides in the last decade have been committed by far-right extremists, and the further you look back the higher that percentage gets. Cope and seethe, moron.
Magistricide@reddit
I love how you just assume a left leaning person did this.
Richard7666@reddit
Who on earth would believe that? Are you new to humans killing each other or something?
positivelypolitical@reddit
"We shouldn't politicize tragedies like this right after they happen" usually comes from the right side of the aisle, no?
pokemon_fucker_2137@reddit
Probably it does. Is that a bad thing ? Every tragedy of a politician is debated publicly. Its just fun to watch leftist morality be completely fluid and nonexistent
snapppyb@reddit
How do you know this is the left? How do you know it's some one trying to stir the pot and engage the right to commit violence against the left?
outhouse_steakback@reddit
lol
Manealendil@reddit
Some people gotta die for the second amendment, glad he lived and died for his principles, few people get to claim that.
Anonymous_Gamer939@reddit
The time that gun control could be feasible is long past, Luigi Mangione showed what an amateur could accomplish with a hobbyist-grade printer. The tour date was long announced, the kind of person deranged enough to do this would have plenty of time to prepare.
the_marxman@reddit
Gun control is still feasible, we just gotta shoot each other a bunch more first to get it all out of our system. Then we can say enough is enough and pass some decent laws for once.
CirrusVision20@reddit
Do you trust the government enough for them to regulate the very tool used to keep them in check and keep our country secure from foreign threats?
Secret_Bad4969@reddit
as if you could fight a f*ing tank, let's be real, it would be like gangs of new york, you have no chance
CirrusVision20@reddit
You know what? You're right. Citizens should have tanks too to even the playing field. Thanks for agreeing with me!
Secret_Bad4969@reddit
Bro the tank?? C'mon what model and how many jets??
Secret_Bad4969@reddit
You know you need a crew to operate it?
Secret_Bad4969@reddit
What tank will you buy?ย
Borror0@reddit
There are multiple countries where citizens are allowed to have guns but where gun deaths are much rarer. There are other options between the current situation and no guns.
Gun control doesn't mean abolishing gun ownership.
Prefix-NA@reddit
Until 1990s you could bring gun to school keep it in your locker and go to you schools shooting practice after school my great uncle and his kids have trophies from his schools shooting team.
Obeesus@reddit
That's what all gun grabbers say. They start with high capacity magazines, and it ends with knife control. Then, you don't have the right to defend yourself.
Borror0@reddit
Canada has nothing stricter gun control laws than the US does. It nevertheless sits in sixth place in estimated guns per capita. It happens to have 4 times fewer firearm homicides per capita than the US.
The slippery slope exists purely in your head.
Tehfurz@reddit
Canadian gun owner here. We absolutely have stricter gun control laws than the US, what kind of bs are you spewing?
Obeesus@reddit
They just outlawed hand guns recently. What are you talking about?
Borror0@reddit
Sixth place in guns per capita.
Obeesus@reddit
Because they used to have fair gun laws, they slowly infringed on them because the people kept giving in.
CirrusVision20@reddit
We already have over 20,000 gun laws in the country combined. How much more 'control' do we need?
Borror0@reddit
The quality of laws has no bearing on the amount of control put in place.
In fact, if the federal government passed one law outlawing all guns, there would only be one gun law. Yet, there the effect would be much drastic than the current system. This is how absurd of a metric that is.
CirrusVision20@reddit
My point being that more control isn't what's needed.
You say 'well it works in other countries' but other countries aren't America. The vast, vast majority of countries aren't nearly as big (let alone diverse in terms of geology, culture, population) as America is.
Gun control maaaay work in other countries, but because of countless other factors that allow it to work. It simply can't in America and I cannot think of anything else implemented in America that would meaningfully change anything while simultaneously allowing citizens to bear arms as free as they want.
Oh wait, I can think of a couple changes.
Improve the justice system and improve mental help facilities. Not an easy process but it's one we need for many, many reasons that extend far beyond gun violence.
CoachMcMillan@reddit
Yeah a reformed justice system and basic healthcare & mental health care would be nice, but those are the herculean tasks, compared to what can be done about the 2a legislation.
A well thought, centralized, gun licensing and ownership reform could really help with most of the problems we have right now, including the gun violence to some degree.
Right to bear arms is a constitutional right not just in US but in Czechia as well for example. And they have near negligible per capita gun violence and killings, all while having less restrictions than half of the US states, i.e. you can conceal carry a 30 round Skorpion if you want.
Most straightforward way would be just mirroring their legislation on federal level (with exceptions for open carry of shit like assault rifles where it exists already why not).
So:
Mandatory licensing to own a gun (auto renewal why not)
Hard written and practical test (safety issues)
Strict background checks
Medical & mental health check every 5 years
Single Federal electronic registry for both personal and per weapon licenses
Mandatory secure storage for the weapons
Tbh I could see this allowing for a single interstate gun permit instead of having to collect them per state like pokรฉmons, unrestricted conceal carry, and loosened regulations for types of weapons and ammo (i.e. bullshit like 7 round magazines in NYC)
vet the person, don't just restrict weapons.
Logical_Inside4879@reddit
Thatโs not going to take the guns off the street. It wouldnโt solve anything either. Kirk being murdered was with a hunting rifle or sniper. If they canโt find the weapon then knowing who bought it wouldnโt do anything. Especially if they can just scrape off the serial number. Thats not to say make it easier to get guns just that this guys wasnโt your average Joe. It was obviously a hit piece maybe special forces maybe military but they had experience. Blacked out hiding in the roof
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fezzuk@reddit
You could look at the controls other first world countries that don't have regular shootings have... Ya know litterially all of them.
CirrusVision20@reddit
It's like you read the first line in my comment and then completely ignored the rest of it...
Unrelentinghunt@reddit
I mean you said gun control won't work because of American geology so, yeah.
CirrusVision20@reddit
Please read the rest of my fucking comment, Jesus.
DoctorPerverto@reddit
I promise it's nowhere near as brilliant or as useful for your case as you think it is.
fezzuk@reddit
Every single other first world country does not have this problem.
The rest of your comment is irrelevant.
CirrusVision20@reddit
So you just didn't bother to read. K. At this point I can only assume you're a troll or you're arguing in bad faith. Either way, I'm not engaging with you anymore.
Borror0@reddit
Your argument is essentially "America is magical place where everything is magically different. What works everywhere else wouldn't work here. Source: My ass."
You can't really expect to engage with it seriously.
Start sharing peer-reviewed studies that show how each of the factor play a role in the effectiveness of gun laws. Then, we can start talking about facts and science. Otherwise, there is no reason to think America is so meaningfully different from, say, Canada that similar policies wouldn't yields comparable outcomes.
Oaker_at@reddit
You didnโt read the question properly. Your answer is correct, isnโt fitting to this question tho.
philmarcracken@reddit
This argument is even worse than the nirvana fallacy you guys keep making. No civilian force has ever overthrown their government without the support of its military in recorded human history
You tiny band of gravy seals with its pissant light arms are without leadership, moral and all your comms are tapped. The second the bodies start to drop you'd all route
Complex-Cost3866@reddit
Leftist defending fascism. Go figure
philmarcracken@reddit
I'm not any political affiliation, dickhead
CommieRemovalService@reddit
Literally never? That's extremely difficult to believe.
CirrusVision20@reddit
So the alternative is simply submitting and letting daddy gubmint walk all over us when they get too far. Got it.
philmarcracken@reddit
and by submitting, the same way you currently do for driving vehicles on public roads. Believe it or not, this keeps a lot of fuckwits from piloting a large metal missile around
guess what else that works for
CirrusVision20@reddit
Cars are a privilege, not a right. Self defense and defense of your own turf is a right, not a privilege.
philmarcracken@reddit
You have voted for:
congrats
CirrusVision20@reddit
No, I advocate for letting citizens have the means to defend themselves.
I also advocate for people who desire to arm themselves, to train with their weapon of choice.
I also advocate for an improved justice system so we don't have repeat offenders walking the streets (e.g. the guy that stabbed that Ukrainian woman).
I also advocate for better mental help services so people with mental disorders can be treated instead of being shoved out onto the street without any support.
Work on all these things and society improves. Gun control is nothing but a performative gesture that soulless politicians love to do because it's an easy solution that earns them votes, without actually ever going into why this kind of violence happens.
It's nothing more than a bandaid, except it's a bandaid that actively harms good natured people (whom comprise the majority of the population) by limiting the means to defend themselves against evildoers.
I hope you one day can come to understand this.
SKULL_SHAPE_ANALYZER@reddit
Keep bootlicking pal
the_marxman@reddit
Well not this government, but that's what the rampant shooting phase is for. Every other country gets by without guns I'm sure we could manage.
EquivalentSnap@reddit
It's only feasible if you change people's idea around it. You take it away and in the US people see it like you're taking free speech. You ban it and some people to fight to the death than to loose it maybe even cause a 2nd civil war. Other countries banned or limited it after mass civilian casualties because it wasn't worth the risk. In the US doesn't matter many massacres it'll always be justified.
the_marxman@reddit
Why does everyone act like gun control is this all or nothing binary? The societal view on guns would have to shift, but that could be done. 50 years ago people smoked like chimneys and now rates have plummeted due to continued health effort. Our current gun laws are either a ridiculous set of hoops and rules that are more of a roundabout ban than an actual solution to underlying issues or they fetishize guns so hard you get a pistol along side your birth certificate and guns get more legal protections than people.
araujoarthurr@reddit
So you assume that the leftist strategy to ban guns is to become the problem they say that exists?
Well. Iโd rather die in the process of eliminating them all than banning guns and being forced to live in the world with these sick people, just like you.
the_marxman@reddit
๐ชค
araujoarthurr@reddit
oh you really got me on that one, sucker
misterwizzard@reddit
Yeah, passing laws will make criminals disappear. For sure.
FastenedCarrot@reddit
There are 500 million legal guns in the US. The country directly boarders a country that have militarised gangs that have and continue to smuggle guns. It's completely infeasible to remove guns. Any attempt would just concentrate guns in the hands of criminals and disarm responsible gun owners.
Sufficient-Set-917@reddit
UMMMM "allegedly" Luigi is innocent he was at my house so no WAY he could have done it.ย
DappyDee@reddit
It's ironic and sad in retrospective, but what he spoke was true.
Can't really go backwards with warfare-changing technology, only forwards. Maybe he'll pull through, but chances are slim with the amount of blood he lost.
ZincMan@reddit
You think heโd willingly take a bullet to save the 2nd amendment ?
Bamboozle_Kappa@reddit
I mean, he did. It seems like he was consistent. He said it, and he lived it. You can imply he wouldn't have, but the onus is on you to prove it.
JackingOffToTragedy@reddit
The most patriotic American death - death at a school shooting, which happens to be at the same time as another school shooting, while defending guns and downplaying gun violence statistics. The day before 9/11.
HeavyReveal6924@reddit
The irony.
ZincMan@reddit
I didnโt say he would. I asked if you think he would. He did not die willingly, I think that much is clear. I have nothing to prove, as I asked a question.
Throwawayroper@reddit
Nobody WANTS to die, nobody would WILLINGLY take a bullet because that won't prove anything -- if you stand for gun rights you also acknowledge that there's a chance you will die by a gun, exactly the same for cars and a low barrier of entry for solo transportation
Bamboozle_Kappa@reddit
You perfectly answered his question. Exactly this.
jvkk@reddit
the point is more that these kinds of people always seem to think about these things in regards to other people, and when it comes down to it they themselves never expect to be the one experiencing the violence.
Bamboozle_Kappa@reddit
No one expects to die in a car crash, but we all passively accept the possibility when we step into a car or walk on the sidewalk. It doesn't make you a hypocrite for driving a car while hoping not to get t-boned. His stance was that the 2nd amendment is worth some gun deaths, and it could happen to absolutely any of us.
jvkk@reddit
yeah, and again my point is internally he probably thought that he'd be fine. most people think like that. we have an easy time passively accepting the danger because on some level we think it wont happen to us. that's why you always hear people saying shit like 'i never thought it'd happen to me', or 'i never thought it'd happen here', all the time after various traumatic incidents. the guy that's going drunk driving knows it's dangerous, he just thinks that he wont end up being one of the people that wraps their car around a tree or runs someone over. i have seen this exact thing repeat over, and over, and over. another example is that a lot of people do illegal shit because they think they will be the exception who wont get caught, that's part of the reason you see so many morons do crazy shit without even bothering to hide their identity. my point is i think kirk was probably thinking like that, at least on some level. we'll never know for sure though, because he's dead lol
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young-steve@reddit
That's retard logic
HippoRun23@reddit
I realize that this is an old comment, but how could you watch that video and think heโd survive?
jvkk@reddit
he immediately does decorticate posturing, the bullet fucked up his brain stem, dude was dead before he hit the floor.
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
You are calling the guy who was killed for his political beliefs fascist?
jvkk@reddit
yes, absolutely, lots of fascists have been killed for their political beliefs. see ww2. or like virtually every other time a fascist has been killed.
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
Which fascist political beliefs did he hold / damage he was doing which made him deserve to be shot dead on the spot?
jvkk@reddit
i could start pulling up all of the various clips people have been posting of his various horrible viewpoints, but that would require a time investment and i don't feel the need to spend my day trying to convince you of reality.
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
Don't worry about the clips, I've already seen them all. And I've also looked for the original videos for context. So far nothing has been particularly bad. I'm assuming you are going to talk about the "believing gay people should be stoned to death one" without showing that he was explaining a Bible passage, not agreeing with it. He said "perfect law" in air quotes because the person he was arguing with was trying to say the bibles "perfect law" supports gay people.
I think you have to stretch the truth pretty hard to apply all these to Kirk (5, 6, 7, 13, 14, 15, and 16 in particular I can't draw any connections to without significant mental gymnastics). However I can see if you want to apply them to the right as a whole by picking extremist individuals who do or have done one of these before. I also think that these points are a bit vague, I can easily apply most of these to Japan (by replacing white replacement with Japanese replacement), but I don't think Japan is fascist. Same goes for Malaysia. I mention those two countries because I lived in them for a bit so I'm at least somewhat familiar with how life is there and how the government operates.
If we look closer to the dictionary definition of fascism, you need to have an authoritarian leader, a social hierarchy, a totalitarian government, use violence to suppress political dissident, reject democracy and liberty, while ceding all your rights to the state. We are pretty far from having this on any meaningful level, however I would agree that the right is more fascist than the left, even if they aren't actually fascist.
formershitpeasant@reddit
He was unequivocally a fascist
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
What did he do what was fascist?
formershitpeasant@reddit
He others people with no basis and works people up into believing that they're a valid scapegoat for their feelings of dispossession.
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
Source?
HippoRun23@reddit
What is decorticate posturing. Been seeing that everywhere.
jvkk@reddit
this explains it pretty well in detail, here you go, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abnormal_posturing#Decorticate
TL;DR, posturing occurs when there's severe damage to the brain and it basically involves involuntary flexing of the muscles in certain predictable patterns (decorticate and decerebrate) that are dependent on the area of the brain that was damaged. in the case of decorticate posturing it usually indicates damage to the brain stem, which is what kirk likely suffered on impact.
like the other commenter says, in the case of decorticate posturing you flex backwards, straightening your body out and pointing your toes which curl, your neck and spine curl backwards, your arms will bend up at the elbows and curl inwards with your shoulders angled straight down, your fists clench and also curl inwards, and you sort of end up in, or close to a position where your fists are sort of turned sideways over your nipples, that's the best way i can describe it. people often compare it to a 'mummy pose'.
there's a pretty good diagram on the wikipedia page that will show you it visually, once you've seen it enough times you can identify it pretty easily, in kirks case you can see him start to do it immediately on impact, but because of how he fell his arms didn't really go up all the way to his nipples, and the video cuts before you see what happens once he's on the floor. if you've ever seen a spider curl up when it dies, this is like the complex mammal version of that.
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
Your body tenses, fists close, and your arms go up like you are trying to touch your shoulders with your hands
DJKGinHD@reddit
Watched too many hospital dramas and thinks everyone can be saved if they get the defibrillator there in time.
JayMeadows@reddit
Did they try the medicine drug?
kallen8277@reddit
Needs more mouse bites
tekhnomancer@reddit
This vexes me.
jimmy999S@reddit
I too am in this episode.
ImBeauski@reddit
That's what Battlefield taught me. Multiple gun shots? Defib. Tank shell hit you in the scrote? Defib. Catch a 2000lb bomb dropped from a A-10? Defib. It truly is a fix kinda tool.
-DoctorSpaceman-@reddit
There was an ice skater who got his necked sliced and was spurting blood all over the rink but he survived
JaRiley1@reddit
iโm pretty sure everyone who saw the video of him getting shot in the neck and knew he was dead.
Silent-is-Golden@reddit
Low iq.
TomatoSpecialist6879@reddit
'tis but a flesh wound
ThaLemonine@reddit
/ck/ poster is ret*rded more news at 11
kspam90@reddit
Iโve personally seen a man with his throat blown off from small arms who survived. In my experience Iโve seen the human body take an absolute beating and keep chugging on and at yet Iโve seen what look like minor issues end someone in moments.
Conflictingview@reddit
Nah, he's dead. Anyway, what's for lunch?
HeartOChaos@reddit
All this man ever did was debate people.
Alamasy@reddit
But he had the wrong opinions so he deserved to die or something.
Sleep-more-dude@reddit
Isn't that essentially the basis for all human conflict lol
Conflictingview@reddit
Saying Charlie Kirk only 'debates people' is a massive understatement that completely ignores the actual harm his rhetoric has caused. Itโs like calling an arsonist a 'light-provider.' He didn't just 'debate'; he used his platforms to mainstream conspiracy theories, encourage political violence and poison the discourse. He built a brand on provocation, divisiveness and ideologies that have tangible, negative consequences for society.
realityIsPixe1ated@reddit
wOrDs ArE viOLeNcE! SiLeNcE iS ViOLeNCe! ๐คโ๐พ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
sisterfister27@reddit
And? Bro had absolutely no influence in politics at all. Held no official positions or any political power. He spews hateful rhetoric, like thousands before him and thousands after him. In the grand scheme of things, he's a harmless ragebaiter with majority braindead takes that debates fucking stupid college kids. The world doesn't need to be sheltered from hateful and negative ideologies; it needs to be shown these people so that they can be rightfully ridiculed and dismantled.
leastracistpaki@reddit
100% agree tbh. People act like hes the worst person in the world and deserves death. Sure, you can call him a piece of shit human but he didnt directly harm anyone
Conflictingview@reddit
Joseph Goebells didn't directly hurt anyone. Neither did the people at Rwandan "Hate Radio". Hendrick Verwoerd may have designed South Africa's Apartheid system, but he didn't physically harm any black people.
By your standard, those people weren't really that bad either.
Conflictingview@reddit
Sure sure. There's tens of thousands of "harmless ragebaiters with majority brain dead takes" in this country. Yet, Charlie Kirk's death warranted an announcement from POTUS. Hmmm...
sisterfister27@reddit
Who gives a shit what that pedophile president thinks lol. Of course he's gonna talk about how the death of the guy who dickrode him is a 'massive tragedy' while completely ignoring the democratic lawmakers that got assassinated. Kirk got clowned everywhere he went for the way he went about spreading his political views and a bunch of other stuff like backtracking on the epstein files and calling the admin his friends, but because of the nature of his death, he's just gonna be seen as a martyr now.
aef823@reddit
What an interesting statement about rhetoric from a community that decries their opposition as nazis, spams cp, then reports their opposition.
Kinglygolfin@reddit
Settle down little lady
sargrvb@reddit
You name is literally 'ConflictingView' complaining about being dangerously contrarian...
Jimbenas@reddit
There are thousands of popular influencers that spread their shitty opinions online. Itโs part of free speech.
Your opinion here was highly regarded, yet I actually hope you have a great life and I donโt wish death upon you. Pretty simple.
Conflictingview@reddit
Who did I wish death on?
I don't think anyone should be murdered. Yet, tens of thousands are every year and none of us really give a fuck. We just eat lunch.
dannycake@reddit
Learned all those words from your boyfriend? I swear I've read that exactly paragraph word for word from the thousands of other bots and redditor around here, when it comes to discussing pretty much any figure thats remotely right leaning.
Foxkit86@reddit
At least he went out with a bang!
KOCEnjoyer@reddit
Lmfao
Orneryknot55971@reddit
Debated college college students*
WrightLex@reddit
And yall wonder y u lost the election, zero empathy
Conflictingview@reddit
"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that - it does a lot of damage." - Charlie Kirk
CatMan_Sad@reddit
Whoa edgy!! Ur pathetic
Conflictingview@reddit
Idiots on a 4chan subreddit whining about someone being edgy. How ironic!
CatMan_Sad@reddit
Im not whining, im making fun of you.
DuhTocqueville@reddit
Sloppy Joeโs maybe?
captainfrijoles@reddit
I think I'll have soup today
Dqueezy@reddit
Mystery meat.
Shadow3114@reddit
So edgy, youโre so cool
Conflictingview@reddit
Aw, thanks. It's always nice to hear from my fans.
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JaRiley1@reddit
loser
Gerftastic@reddit
Really rude of his wife not to have lunch ready for us
WrightLex@reddit
The irony of calling for gun control and the murdering someone with a gun who supports free speech is crazy to me
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
I don't know about that.
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Canโt go backwards with warfare-changing technology (that everyone else in the world has yet doesnโt deal with this level of gun violence outside of warfare).
Repost_Hypocrite@reddit
American brained comment above you
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Iโm also American. Difference is Iโm educated and actually spend time in other places
Jeffuishere@reddit
I hope the bullet finds you next
ChaunceyPeepertooth@reddit
I don't think believing the right to bear arms is the exact same thing as being okay with assassinating people who you don't like for the crime of... debating people/saying "controversial opinions"
Manealendil@reddit
Charlie Kirk was cool with his political enemies being assasinated
ChaunceyPeepertooth@reddit
Fellow debaters/pundits/ordinary people, or actual murderous/evil people being assassinated? I think there's a pretty big distinction. I never listened or watched him, so I'm curious who he wished death on.
Manealendil@reddit
The defended and advocated for the dude who attacked paul pelosi with a hammer. He probably advocated for some kind of violence against Trans People. What goes around comes around
ChaunceyPeepertooth@reddit
He probably said something, so therefore he needs to die.
Aren't you just a sane, well adjusted, level-headed person.
TheDutchin@reddit
Not probably, did.
Just add a probably so you can dunk on it i guess? What the fuck is happening lmfao
You guys are so fucking cooked
Available-Plant7587@reddit
I know you're trolling, but for the slim chance that you're not: please read the second sentence aswell when you're looking for a word.
Here is the full comment:
Dangerous_Strain4036@reddit
literal NPCs
Nick700@reddit
Dude read the rest of the comment you're quoting
TheDutchin@reddit
You read the rest, there's no probably about the part that I quoted.
If you want to air lift the "probably" from one sentence to the other to change the meanings of the sentences I cant literally stop you but you should know thats fucking stupid as shit.
MediocreDepartment@reddit
It happened in their fanfic bro, just trust them
LadyKingPerson@reddit
wtf is wrong with you
TheDutchin@reddit
Wtf is wrong with you??
Taterstaco@reddit
You are Fake news. Watch the video again and listen to what he's actually saying
HanThrowawaySolo@reddit
"Bail him out and then go ask him some questions"
Is he saying you should bail this guy out and beat him up? Or you should bail him out and interview him? He sounds like he's just talking and riding this train wherever it goes lmao.
Duskav3ng3r117@reddit
He wasn't genuinely asking people to go bail him out. He was pointing out the hypocrisy of how murders get released in Chicago but if someone assaults a Pelosi, they hit them with the whole book. Finish the video before you comment.
HanThrowawaySolo@reddit
I wanted the full clip, I'm not making sense of his words. It really just sounds like he's rambling.
ThorgoodThe3rd@reddit
Which is funny because the irony of the whole Luigi thing and even this Charlie thing. Time really is a flat circle
Arete34@reddit
No he wasnโt, liar.
ShockSword@reddit
Where's the lie tho? He seems quite enthusiastic about Paul Pelosi's skull being caved in with a hammer and Nancy Pelosi potentially being harmed as well.
Arete34@reddit
You saying it doesnโt make it true
Manealendil@reddit
But charlie saying it does, he wished harm upon so many people.
HanThrowawaySolo@reddit
The only honest form of the argument is that, yes, people will die, it's worth it, the Right to bear arms is more important than some number of deaths.
VapidKarmaWhore@reddit
why else would you need guns but to fight against the tyrannical and the ones who go against the interest of the people
crogers94@reddit
Gun deaths are inevitable in an armed society. - Charlie Kirk. No specification about when and where; just that we have to accept them to have 2A. That was his stance and he died by it.
lobotominizer@reddit
He's a martyr now lol
NoPossibility4178@reddit
He doesn't get to claim that either.
Pitiful_Special_8745@reddit
Did..you guys celebrating a death? Same with the Ukranian girl?
Sufficient-Set-917@reddit
Not the same. That guy didn't go around promoting hatred he was just demented.ย
Why anyone defends this narcissist is crazy.ย Going around capuses "Prove me wrong" is it really that surprising? He didn't care about the kids in Uvalde, Sandy Hook, Parkland or the poor people of Charleston or Vegas. He said it was "unfortunately" worth it to keep 2A. What about those families?
Maybe Myron Gaines will think twice about his antics too. Desperate leeches going around trying to get clout and fame from hate. Not surprising one bit. And to the people who are saying "oh we shouldn't be cheering for violence" pretty sure we knew it was going to come to this especially all I mentioned above. Not to mention we all are still secretly rooting for Luigi. We'll I'm not so secret about it ๐คทโโ๏ธ thoughts and prayers.
soapy5@reddit
Keep talking commie, it makes the next steps easier
Sufficient-Set-917@reddit
Is that a threat? What happened to peace and free speech? Pretty sure you don't even understand the definition of communist. Also where was that energy for State representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were killed at their home near Minneapolis? Or the kids killed in Colorado yesterday? Also thought the Epstein files was a democratic hoax? Why did Republicans vote against it?ย
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/10/senate-republicans-schumer-epstein-files
-fly_away-@reddit
lol right wing sucks now are offended by gun violence. fuck you all.
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
LMAO try better
Manealendil@reddit
You know what Charlie said when Paul Pelosi was almost kolled?
StirFry__InaWok@reddit
No fucking way are you going to act like that video wasn't funny as fuck. I won't stand for this revisionist history.
Manealendil@reddit
His last words were Gang violence lmao
StormR7@reddit
straight up the last thought going through his head were โhow can I spin this to make brown people look bad?โ
Ciclopotis@reddit
Legit kek'd at that.
Dchella@reddit
About trans people
VapidKarmaWhore@reddit
much better people die every day in far more painful ways under more tragic scenarios
Due-Till-6481@reddit
I am kind of curious... so if I stab someone 3 times in the neck. Is it the knife that did it? People need to realize tools are toolls. People do bad shit... we didn't have this type of shit 60 years ago. Why?
mammaluigi39@reddit
This is true. If it were difficult to own a hammer it'd be difficult to drive a nail into wood. I wonder what would become more difficult if guns were difficult to own?
Also we had "this type of shit" 60 years ago if you can't realize that then you are lost.
xPofsx@reddit
Murder would not become more difficult if guns were banned - ukranian refugee girl example
Silversoth@reddit
Right, right, it would have been just as easy to kill ol' Charlie running up past security and stabbing him during his conference as it was to snipe him from 200 yards for sure.
xPofsx@reddit
Right, right
Crypto_pupenhammer@reddit
Hereโs another one for ya. Gun violence is far higher per capital in conservative dominated cities where guns per capita is also higher. Coincidence right?
Captain_Jewslayer@reddit
Wow, gun violence is more common in places with more guns? I would never have guessed. It sure is a good thing that as soon as you take those guns away, the rates of other forms of violence don't rise to compensate.
Crypto_pupenhammer@reddit
Luke warm take. Except 75-80% of homicides in the US use firearms.
Captain_Jewslayer@reddit
Yeah. Gun control laws are shown to have little to no effect on the total violent crime rate, which would imply that yes, criminals are using other weapons when they can't get guns. Moreover, any reduction in total violent crime would be mirrored or exceeded by increasing gun ownership instead.
Crypto_pupenhammer@reddit
Got a source for that? Because the US is the only first world nation with this issue.
mammaluigi39@reddit
You are right but how many school stabbingd happen and how affective are they when they do?
HanThrowawaySolo@reddit
Don't go swimming in the shores, that's where the sharks are.
beardetmonkey@reddit
Its not me but the door thats keeping kids in my basement bro
ShockSword@reddit
I'm curious, if someone fires an ICBM into a city, is it the ICBM that did it? Why do we ban normal, well-adjusted people from owning private ICBMs?
xPofsx@reddit
The price is a bit much, mostly
HanThrowawaySolo@reddit
AMEN GIVE ME MY RIGHT TO NUCLEAR BOMBS GOD DAMN IT
TheDutchin@reddit
TheDutchin@reddit
Im just curious, do you use the back of the screw driver to drive nails into wood?
AustrianGandalf@reddit
Where do you want to start? Bad economy and job market? Housing market? Feeling of general hopelessness increasing? Distrust in institutions? Social media and its influence on society? The fucking culture war?
Itโs going bad, people start feeling bad. Some get mad and turn to violence. This shit will only increase.
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jbasinger@reddit
I don't think trying to get other people killed is like, a principle.. I think it just makes you a Nazi
frantruck@reddit
Yeah, I don't think he'll be claiming much of anything
-fly_away-@reddit
imagine defending your abrupt death over such an idiotic principle. American are the most retarded people on earth.
Diezauberflump@reddit
Thoughts and prayers for the victims of the Charlie Kirk massacre.
NostrilLurker@reddit
Yeah because they're dead
forporn420@reddit
Well, he doesn't get the claim that. His tombstone can though!
OnionRangerDuck@reddit
I don't think he had the time to claim that. Think we gotta claim it for him
Odinskriger@reddit
Kind of ironic how dismissive he was of the question about mass shootings he was just answering while getting shot
DunkTheLunk23@reddit
This has to be one of the craziest, most cosmic levels of irony many of us will ever witness. Dude hadnโt even finished his mocking response to the question before he was chocking on his own blood.ย
That_Guy381@reddit
last word out of his mouth: Violence
Garsyan@reddit
Tremendous understanding of context you have there pal
TNTyoshi@reddit
The context doesnโt make him look good.
His last statement was him fear mongering and lying about trans shooters being more dangerous then cis shooters, advocating to revoke trans peopleโs 2nd amendment rights, and deflecting from the cis vs trans shooter statistics debate towards a racist dog whistle about ~~black people~~ โgang violenceโ stat padding the numbers for cis shooters.
That_Guy381@reddit
facts donโt care about your feelings
Talinix@reddit
Not really, he frequently debated about this topic.
klonkish@reddit
"debated"
Odinskriger@reddit
Charlie Kirk was still doing that 2016 Trump campaign stuff. You know when all that 'liberal destroyed by facts and logic' was a meme. He was still doing that. It was so inane.
zeldaprime@reddit
Yeah, but he talks about lots of other stuff too, it wouldn't be as ironic if he was talking about trans or immigrants, or one of his many other talking points...
TheHundrednaire@reddit
He was correctly reframing a question about "Mass Shootings", to highlight that the vast majority of "Mass Shootings" are gang violence. Gun Violence Archive (which defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed) recorded 503 mass shootings in 2024. The Rockefeller institute has a more detailed definition that excludes "Gang violence, targeted militant or terroristic activity", and has recorded just 502 mass shootings since 1966. A [2016 study] (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26822013/) covered by CNN, which defined "mass shootings" as "having four or more victims and donโt include gang killings or slayings that involve the death of multiple family members" found there had been 90 US mass shootings since 1966.
Odinskriger@reddit
Dude, I am not an american, nor am I on team right or left. I do not care about this shit. I thought it was interesting timing. Like someone else responded on my comment, rare cosmic irony.
TheHundrednaire@reddit
I said nothing about you. The point I was making is that he was not being "dismissive" of the question.
supershinythings@reddit
And the pundits are claiming it was an ordinary bolt action rifle - likely a sporterized Mauser.
This is just about one of the most common ordinary rifles available, and can even be assembled from parts to deter traceability.
It was apparently NOT an assault rifle so no amount of legislation is going to prevent this.
Pingushagger@reddit
Do you think the fella was waiting for the most kino moment to fire?
JackSwieper@reddit
Unironicly i believe the marksman had someone in the crowd to time that shot
UnitedNordicUnion@reddit
What gives you that impression?
voidedhip@reddit
theres clear video of a guy behind charlie signing right before he gets shot, quite damning evidence all over the internet. private jet leaving the area, turning off call sign right afterwords. jewish guy being the fall guy at first and getting arrested first, kirk starting to switch stance on israel. list goes on and on
JackSwieper@reddit
Its what id have done.
lakimens@reddit
Yeah, and then big mass shooting killed him to silence him
X3N0N_21@reddit
exactly. its like some sort of karma, he literally justifies mass shootings so he got to experience being a victim :/
Gape_Me_Dad-e@reddit
This was not a mass shooting it was an assassins you fucking retards
Arfuuur@reddit
mfw when i die in a school shooting myself and my last words are gun violence lol
outhouse_steakback@reddit
lol
Untamed_Meerkat@reddit
lmao, even.
jamiestarza@reddit
Bandaid and straighten him back up on the chair, hell be fine
Plastic-Status-248@reddit
A fucking Nazi. Itโs no loss.
teflon_soap@reddit
"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
Charlie Kirk, based.
ad895@reddit
Do you belive for a second if all guns where vaporized, tomorrow that people would stop killing each other?
There will always be a segment of the population that will be violent.
Anguscablejnr@reddit
The argument would be that if me a normal man with no specific combat skills decided I wanted to murder some people if I have a knife I'd kill one maybe two people. Maybe like five if they were elderly and I was lucky.
If I had a hand gun I could easily kill like 10.
And if I had an assault rifle I could easily kill like 20-30.
With a little planning and more ammo with the guns I could easily double those numbers. But with good knife crime planning I probably could only get another one or two.
So yeah people will always be violent but there are better and worse ways to slow them down.
Ironically none of that would have helped Kirk though, because if one specific person really wants another specific person dead they'll probably get em eventually doesn't really matter what the laws are.
ad895@reddit
yes guns are deadly, thats why citizens should have them to prevent tyrannical governments, and people who wish to do them harm.
You are vastly over estimating your numbers. School shooters cant hit thoes numbers preying on the most vulnerable people in society.
This is going to sound insensitive but the number of people that are killed in mass shootings is almost a rounding error. Using the raw number of gun deaths per year, which includes suicides, gang violence, and justified homicides, you are 4 times more likely to die in the eu from the lack of air conditioning, than a gun. You are 2-4 times more likely to die in the hospital because of medical errors than a gun, you are 15 times more likely to die from heart disease than a gun. Thoes numbers go up exponentially when you remove suicides from the death count. The fbi also showed that there are between 500k and 2 million defensive uses of guns per year. Guns aren't the problem brother.
Anguscablejnr@reddit
Charlie Kirk said a similar thing and now he's dead...which is acceptable is I guess the argument.
But what do I know? I'm just a safe Australian with universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare doesn't actually have anything to do with this But I like to bring it up before Americans tell me that actually I'm in terrible danger and living in oppression or whatever it is you are going to say.
ad895@reddit
Weren't you guys arrested for going outside during covid? I wouldn't pretend you are on a high horse.
The argument wast that it was acceptable, no normal people wants anyone to die. The argument was a pragmatic one. There will always be evil people in this world and having a way to defend yourself and others from them is preferable compared to disarming everyone.
Anguscablejnr@reddit
No, that never happened. As I understand that there was a quarantine facility for international travelers in Western Australia. And for some reason in America that was reported as a special prison for people with covid or something.
You Americans kind of need to get it out of your head that the other Western countries are like you but somehow notably worse or lacking freedom or something. Because that's just not true. Even if what you said was true COVID is kind of finished now, so how would that be a valid argument about my freedoms today?
Also you say it's a pragmatic argument, but I made a pragmatic argument: about the damage One crazy person can do with a gun vs a knife. But let's ignore that how would you respond to the fact that Australia instituted far-reaching gun control laws in the 1990s and gun deaths, Both crime related and mass shooting related, have absolutely plummeted.
Our citizens are safe and free. The only possible argument you can really make is that you're in a better position to overthrow your government. But if you want to talk about pragmatism, that's always been a fantasy.
thisisme5@reddit
You guys are the only country with mass shootings consistently happening so I mean you could easily prevent a ton of tragic violent deaths. It depends how important you feel having guns is. Is it worth the cost of the those lives or not, thatโs the calculation.
teflon_soap@reddit
But they wonโt be popping heads from 200 yards,.
likeredvelvet@reddit
Based indeed. Godspeed.
NyMiggas@reddit
I mean you got to give that he died for what he believes in.
teflon_soap@reddit
Based
Osipovark@reddit
well we all have seen what it looks like when you don't have the means or situational awareness to defend yourself with recent tragic murder of Iryna Zarutska.
and now people are making fun of Charlie Kirk for defending gun rights. i don't agree with Kirk on many issues especially involving Israel but watching him being shot was shocking, it's a gruesome display and i can't help but sympathize with him and wish him to survive and recover.
Jacob0630@reddit
Charlie Kirk wouldnโt want you to empathize with him he would probably call u a libtard about it honestly
igotbanneddd@reddit
"I don't believe in empathy; it is a made-up word that can do a lot of damage" - Charlie Kirk
Richiefur@reddit
based if true
Mandalor-96@reddit
Thank goodness someone had a sensible take. The nonchalance about a man being publicly murdered is pretty disappointing. You don't have to like the guy, but do remember that he's human, that he has a family. It isn't a small thing for any of us to die, no matter how often it happens.
ThrowFar_Far_Away@reddit
That would require empathy, something Kirk was firmly against. He straight up said empathy is a new age term that does a lot of damage. Combine that with that he has said that gun deaths is something he is okay with and you can see where the reaction comes from.
AnHonestConvert@reddit
you couldnโt even get either one of those points correct in the context of what he said. You just want to celebrate and youโre coming up with excuses.
Splatfan1@reddit
people are treating him with the same sensibility he himself treated victims of violent attacks. so, none. if you publically say some innocents die but thats something youre willing to live with dont expect to be given any sympathy
Mandalor-96@reddit
I don't see how acting like the person you disagree with is right. It's not a points game, there's no cosmic justice in behaving in a way you think is wrong out of spite. He is in no position to be affected by it, so you only harm yourself.
ApeX_PN01@reddit
It was just the jugular, Iโm sure heโs gonna be fine.
Dont_touch_my_spunk@reddit (OP)
Bro, blood came out of him like mentos and Pepsi.
ApeX_PN01@reddit
Yeah. I thought the ยซjust the jugularยป in combination with ยซgonna be fineยป was going to make the slight sarcasm in my post obvious, but I guess not.
PikaPikaMoFo69@reddit
You forgot the /s kind stranger Keanu chungus ๐ฏ
Haahhh@reddit
Reddit
Rlionkiller@reddit
Reddit
crapfacejustin@reddit
Where did you watch it?
Dont_touch_my_spunk@reddit (OP)
Charlie Kirk subreddit.
DappyDee@reddit
Trust me, you wouldn't be saying that if you saw the close-up video. Fell like a log in slow motion.
ApeX_PN01@reddit
I saw it. The whole ยซgonna be fineยป was written with just a smidge of sarcasm and should be read in conjunction with the ยซjugularยป-part of my post.
DappyDee@reddit
Understood, sometimes it's hard to portray vocal tones through lines of text.
solarscopez@reddit
Maybe try not being regarded
ThirstyOutward@reddit
Not everyone has to cater to your inability to read sarcasm lol
ApeX_PN01@reddit
Yeah, or just keep it simple with a /s
DappyDee@reddit
That too, yeah.
Background_Doubt_121@reddit
Jugular? I dont think the jugular would start a fountain like that. Most definitely his carotid
ApeX_PN01@reddit
It was probably a twofer
Rustic_Mango@reddit
Veins leak, arteries spurt
ApeX_PN01@reddit
It was more like a waterfall
Love_Em@reddit
People confuse the jugular and carotid all the time, I think it's because of the idiom "go for the jugular". Looking at the entry point the bullet probably tore through both the common carotid and the vertebral arteries on the left side, he never stood a chance.
NoPossibility4178@reddit
Bro thinks Iryna could have saved herself from getting stabbed in the chest by someone who was sitting behind her if she had a gun ๐ a lot more people are gonna die like Charlie and actually statistically speaking, since he was killed yesterday a bunch more people have already died in the same way, but yeah, what all those people actually needed was more guns.
Osipovark@reddit
sometimes i think that a victim has at least a right to retaliate immediately. and you know few other things that could have saved Iryna are: 1)racism (around blax never relax and don't sit with your back to them especially to black men); 2)segregation.
Stripa18_@reddit
His children were present in the act. May God help them mourn their loss.
Sufficient-Set-917@reddit
Why anyone defends this narcissist is crazy.ย Going around capuses "Prove me wrong" is it really that surprising? He didn't care about the kids in Uvalde, Sandy Hook, Parkland or the poor people of Charleston or Vegas. He said it was "unfortunately" worth it to keep 2A. What about those families?
Maybe Myron Gaines will think twice about his antics too. Desperate leeches going around trying to get clout and fame from hate. Not surprising one bit. And to the people who are saying "oh we shouldn't be cheering for violence" pretty sure we knew it was going to come to this especially all I mentioned above. Not to mention we all are still secretly rooting for Luigi. We'll I'm not so secret about it ๐คทโโ๏ธ thoughts and prayers.
Sufficient-Set-917@reddit
State representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were killed at their home near Minneapolis
Where is y'all's energy for that? Or the kids killed in Colorado yesterday?
ConductorBeluga@reddit
Yes and we have also seen what it looks like when you have 0 security at an event in a place where there's almost 0 restrictions on firearms. This is Utah right, where are all the good guys firing back and stopping the shooter? At least 9 or 10 of them should have been strapped right?
h1pp1e_cru5her@reddit
It happened in a gun free zone
KennKennyKenKen@reddit
How come someone can just bring a gun into a gun free zone??? s/
drwicksy@reddit
No no they misspoke, its a free gun zone, everyone entering gets a free gun
ConductorBeluga@reddit
An apparently unenforceable gun free zone (that only exists because it's a school courtyard) with 0 security because Utah is controlled by Republicans
h1pp1e_cru5her@reddit
It's almost like criminals don't respect laws and will use guns regardless of them
The-Squirrelk@reddit
Without enforcement laws become laughter.
ConductorBeluga@reddit
You're so right, might as well legalize murder, they're just gonna do it anyways
MMQ-966thestart@reddit
Oh no. If only we had statistics about gun violence that show us what group of people drives it up by a disproportionate amount...
h1pp1e_cru5her@reddit
Apples to oranges. Guns are a means of defense as well
InspiringMilk@reddit
they aren't, what are you going to do, shoot the attacker's bullets in the air to stop them?
They're a means of attack. Or at best, retaliation.
xPofsx@reddit
Better to attack a guy on a rampage in retaliation than to just accept his rampage and maybe die
HippoRun23@reddit
I saw that the school allowed concealed and open carry.
h1pp1e_cru5her@reddit
You essentially asked where the good guys with guns were. It not having security only matters to the criminals. A responsible gun owner is going to obey that law and not have a weapon on them regardless of if they have to walk through a checkpoint
ConductorBeluga@reddit
Wait did the killer shoot from orbit or something? If not there were either patriots with guns nearby to stop him, or it was in a regarded "no guns allowed :)" zone with 0 enforcement. That is not actually any form of gun control.
That is my point. No gun control and no security. Are you saying that neither gun control nor security at the event could have prevented this?
vvestley@reddit
with no security..
admiralfrosting@reddit
But there are no guns allowed there!? How did that happen?
vvestley@reddit
you don't need to be there when you have a gun with a scope
admiralfrosting@reddit
It was still on the campus. How far away do you think you can hit a target with even the most powerful optics?
vvestley@reddit
if the target is a sitting man?
xPofsx@reddit
Even an amateur with a mid gun and optic that's zeroed well can stay on target from 500y after shooting 2-3 rounds
awools1@reddit
Well, the record is about 2.5 miles.
But this one appears to be 200 yards.
admiralfrosting@reddit
I asked him not what white feather could do lol
awools1@reddit
I understand, just giving context. Not sure I could make that shot and Ive been around guns most of my life.
admiralfrosting@reddit
You could if you have been around guns. You would just need to zero a maven, zeiss or some other high end optics to the yards required. If you knew where he was going to be it would just take a few hours at the range for prep.
But this dude knew what he was doing. That still isnโt an easy shot to make in those circumstances.
fr3n@reddit
Under the changes in HB 128, which went into effect on May 7, individuals who are 18 years old or older and have a current Utah concealed weapon permit (CWP) may carry a weapon on campus, including in an โopenโ fashion.
https://publicsafety.utah.edu/home-safety-news/new-rules-for-concealed-weapons-on-campus/
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Splatfan1@reddit
what are you going to do, shoot your way out of getting sniped? or shoot your way out of getting sneak attack stabbed? ive seen a video of the stabbing. this shit is so quick and unexpected you cant really do anything and is more indicative of a deep cultural rot than anything else. unless you install rear mirrors in your head youre fucked before you ever realise it
blackswan92683@reddit
Rip ๐ Charlie. He wanted to debate and win the hearts n minds but got murdered for it.
REDfohawk@reddit
This sub is full of babies these days wtf, why are you crying?
RedditHatesFreedoms@reddit
Iryna is our Emmett Till and Charlie is our Dr King.
lennstan@reddit
you must be so oppressed
IllustratorAlive1174@reddit
Dude that shot him looks like some boomer. Donโt know anything about him though, I look forwards to hearing is motive. Because Iโm very curious.
centurio_v2@reddit
Not the guy they let him go
IllustratorAlive1174@reddit
Oh for real? Iโve not heard that yet. Does the public know who the shooter is yet then?
centurio_v2@reddit
not that Iโve seen no
LiberalCuck5@reddit
Source?
centurio_v2@reddit
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-09-10-25#cmfeek1xz00003b6n10uj8uzs
itโs on most of the big news sites
mattypatty88@reddit
He said heโs okay with it.
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
He said empathy is bad, so I'm honoring him by not giving a shit.
Thoughts and prayers.
volkswaggerwagen@reddit
Why don't you say the whole quote, rather than choosing just the part of the quote that lets you twist his words into fitting your view that he's a bad person who deserved it
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
Lmao the full quote is even better because the context doesn't change.
He has other quotes on empathy too that confirm it.
Take your lap.
Fisherman_Gabe@reddit
It's just a tiny hole. He can just plug it with his finger.
Minor inconvenience is all it is.
home_rolled@reddit
The vid is up on /pol/ right now and I just saw it. That was the largest amount of blood I have ever seen ejected from a wound in so short of a time, a literal geyser and a very disturbing experience to watch. He was dead before he hit the ground
TraumaPerformer@reddit
I used to watch the odd shock video out of morbid curiosity, but I stopped after I realised I could remember each little bit in vivid detail. Now I always wonder what people get out of watching it.ย
home_rolled@reddit
Yeah I'm definitely not one for those type of videos. Like, why? This one will stick with me a long time
Throwawayroper@reddit
honestly a chad amount of blood loss ngl, liberal snowflakes could never
solarscopez@reddit
Virgin slow oozing venous bleeding vs chad fast gushing arterial bleed
BigEasyh@reddit
Never watched Bud Dwyer?
Pepe_pls@reddit
But shot himself in the mouth. Big difference. Plus the concussion from having the revolver directly in his mouth.
McRib_Warrior@reddit
Is that air buds government name?
BasicBitchTearGas__@reddit
Yea, ive never seen a gore video in that high quality, really fucked up
SierraDespair@reddit
Getting hit in an artery will do that. He was probably dead within 10-15 seconds.
KillahHills10304@reddit
Ever seen Bud Dwyers final press conference?
Carbonyl_dichloride@reddit
Could you send me a link or something? I'm curious but i cant find it
Ringell@reddit
Yes, he lost consciousness immediatly. Brutal shot.
oni_no_onii-chan@reddit
Please don't say the word "minor". You are triggering trump supporters. Use the term "10 year old woman" instead.
Vjezzamaaaaate@reddit
Imagine if he did that and just continued on with what he was saying.
DappyDee@reddit
Best remember to use a hand sanitizer before or run a high risk of infection.
nugssssssssssssssss@reddit
He lived by the pen.
Automatic-Painter153@reddit
4Chan too? Man this shit is sad
TTrainN2024@reddit
Are you new?
MrBadJokes@reddit
Dumbass thought 4chan was a right wing echo chamber๐
arturo_lemus@reddit
Most of the time it is lol
zeldaprime@reddit
This subreddit is closer to that than 4chan is IMO
Automatic-Painter153@reddit
it is. They hate him because he stands for Israel.
-sigma-enigma-@reddit
I thought it was because his face Was too Small
MrBadJokes@reddit
maybe im uneducated, please enlighten me on kirkโs stance on the holy land?
MMQ-966thestart@reddit
He was a classic "greatest ally"-conservative in this regard. Funny how they actually took out one of the last big milquetoast conservatives with this.
Now what? Nick Fuentes-campus tour?
giant_shitting_ass@reddit
They also make fun of leftists being murdered by members of their pet demographics so it's not one sided.
Borror0@reddit
I'm setting to get the feeling a lot of people here have never been on 4chan. The common thread on 4chan is edgelord humor. It doesn't have to be left-wing or right-wing, for as long as it's in poor taste.
Agent_Chody_Banks@reddit
To be fair, it got really right wing around 2016 but itโs since gone back to radical anti centrism
Incoherentdelusion@reddit
Tough enough buttercup. They've been doing much worse shit for years, time to get a little themselves.
Automatic-Painter153@reddit
what? cheering for someone's death is never okay. Rooting for violemce neither. We can do better than being violent and killing each other because of disagreement. Charlie was just talking, who shot him is a coward
UnluckyStartingStats@reddit
His death is worth it to keep the second amendment
Automatic-Painter153@reddit
What a sad thing to say. If you really come to say this, it really means you are hurting inside. I am sorry for you, seek help
UnluckyStartingStats@reddit
His words not mine. Sounds like you hate the second amendment
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
Automatic-Painter153@reddit
He would have been killed anyways. The behaviour behind it is problematic, not the gun. Do you think you cant buy guns in the black market? Come on.
thisisme5@reddit
You have no idea if they would have bought a black market gun and done this. Part of the problem is unrestricted access and why your dumbass country leads the world in public shootings by a large margin year after year. Itโs the price you pay for the second amendment. He was quite happy to spout that off after every school shooting.
Automatic-Painter153@reddit
I live in Switzerland and we have one of the highest guns per capita. No school shootings
thisisme5@reddit
4x less than the US by most metrics. They also have strict regulations around carrying and transporting, no concealed carry, cannot be loaded during transport. The guns are linked to military service where citizens are issued weapons and keep them after service. Itโs tied to national security and military service not self defence.
You can do what you want with the per capita numbers but you canโt look at life in a vacuum. Thereโs a ton of factors at play.
Maxitheseus@reddit
Have you ever visited the image board this subreddit is based on?
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natiplease@reddit
Man it would be dumb not to see the obvious irony and joke in an anti-restriction gun owner getting shot. Everyone with a sense of humor is laughing.
Hotdogman_unleashed@reddit
I see the irony but don't get why its funny.
ThirstyOutward@reddit
The pearl clutching is the funniest part
Hotdogman_unleashed@reddit
You can laugh. No one is stopping you. Just didn't see the humor
ThorgoodThe3rd@reddit
These people are sick in the head. dehumanization works and being upset about someone getting assassinated on video in a public space is apparently โPearl clutchingโ. But me not wanting men in womenโs bathrooms is fascist or whatever word they want to use.
chuckrabbit@reddit
All the snowflakes come out of the woodworks when itโs their guy lmao
Cope and seethe, literally nobody cares.
ThorgoodThe3rd@reddit
Then why comment if you donโt care?
Someone cares a bit more than theyโd like to admit, because if you didnโt care youโd just move on without a second thought. Kind of funny if you ask me
chuckrabbit@reddit
Actually youโre right. I find your reactions amusing. Keep crying, we need more tears.
ThorgoodThe3rd@reddit
So first it was โnobody cares,โ now itโs โactually I do care, but only because Iโm laughing at you.โThatโs not really a winโฆ it just shows you needed to move the goalposts.
If all youโve got is trying to milk reactions, then youโve admitted you donโt have an argument, just an audience problem.
chuckrabbit@reddit
Cognitive dissonance goes craaaaazy
Charlie Kirk made his entire career on milking reactions too lmao
ThorgoodThe3rd@reddit
Calling it cognitive dissonance doesnโt make it true lol, you went from โnobody caresโ to โok I do care because itโs funny.โ Thatโs the definition of shifting positions.
And deflecting to Charlie Kirk doesnโt change that. Youโre proving the only thing youโve got here is trying to get a rise out of people, which is exactly what you claimed to be laughing at.
chuckrabbit@reddit
Deflecting to Charlie? This began with Charlie lmao
Okay snowflake keep it coming
ThorgoodThe3rd@reddit
Yeah, the thread is about Charlie, but my point was about you. Again, you went from โnobody caresโ to โI do care because itโs funnyโ, and now itโs โthatโs what Charlie did too.โ Thatโs not an argument, itโs just shifting ground. If all youโve got is recycling memes and calling people snowflakes, youโre not actually saying anything.
ThorgoodThe3rd@reddit
To the person who commented then blocked me, as Charlie said, Iโm not anti trans Iโm pro reality
chuckrabbit@reddit
Do you even know what sub weโre on? Why are you such a snowflake
natiplease@reddit
"Dehumanization works! Anyways guys let me shoehorn in my hatred for trans people."
You can't make this shit up lol
thisisme5@reddit
Itโs pretty incredible cognitive dissonance god these people are braindead.
friendly_bullet@reddit
Because they want Trump to take everyone's guns away and fuck them in the ass.
oni_no_onii-chan@reddit
If you can't shoot a masked group of men(ice) and walk free like it's just thursday, then nobody should own weapons. They're absolutely not saving you from tyranny.
Look how nepal bros just destroyed their social democracy regime to get even more leftist government. You don't need much guns to topple anyone if you're organized enough.
StirFry__InaWok@reddit
Because it's gruesome.
Redditors always acting like dark humor is so 2010 but it will always be true that other people believing you shouldn't joke about a topic makes it more funny. Dark humor stops being funny when the target starts rolling their eyes instead of being offended, like what happened with 9/11 jokes, but right after something new happens is the best possible time to make one of these jokes.
Also there being such a horrible video that many have seen makes it feel more personal so people will be all the more offended.
monstre28@reddit
These people don't know what real violence or poverty really is . They never will and maybe if they keep provoking the wrong people they will get to experience it. After that I pray to God to have mercy on them . I've lived in 3rd world countries where I have seen such extremes . Trust me you don't want to experience it .
Boxing_joshing111@reddit
He was in the middle of a sentence where he was brushing off gun violence, as he often did. Also look at his face.
delta4873@reddit
Irony is a form of humor, snowflake.
Hotdogman_unleashed@reddit
Irony can be associated with humor but it in itself is not humor. The more you know.gif
ramsfan00@reddit
Because young guy, father of two is dead for having different viewpoints. How can you not see how funny it is?
rabbitewi@reddit
Because leftists are terrorists.
Malu1997@reddit
Not really? A lot of pro gun people get shot, nothing ironic about it. I'm sure people know what guns do.
StirFry__InaWok@reddit
A person that's generally pro gun getting shot isn't meme worthy but someone that's an outspoken supporter of a thing getting killed by that thing is definitely ironic.
CheatsaPizza@reddit
Like Steve Irwin. He was generally pro gun which is ironic. But yea, there is a factual autistic point to be made about the acute irony of that moment: that mass shootings and single target assassinations are different things. The irony would have ripened if he were opining on gun violence and the 2nd amendment.
KittyCat085@reddit
With a sense of humor? Are you mentally challenged? Are you by any chance on some medication? Because you need it and your thoughts are not normal, you donโt belong in a civilized society. Iโm serious. Nobody NORMAL is laughing at anyoneโs death. Doesnโt matter republican or democrat. Insanity.
zrock44@reddit
Man it would be dumb not to see the obvious irony and joke in an anti-restriction car owner getting ran over. Everyone with a sense of humor is laughing.
CrazyMind@reddit
Dumbest thing I read in a while. Like saying an anti-restriction water drinker drowning. There is a difference between things that are made to kill and things that have a different purpose.
ShockSword@reddit
Would it be easier for this lil ol brain of yours to digest if the example was "a vegan gets eaten by a wild bear"?
natiplease@reddit
What like a sovereign citizen? Yeah that'd be kinda funny but I feel it might be a little harder to make the connection for some people. An advanced joke if you will.
CurrentDeep7091@reddit
Irony doesnโt make it something funny? Youโre a disgusting human with no sense of humor just a mental illness. Take your pills and crawl back into your asylum please and leave society.
rrcecil@reddit
Have you ever actually been on 4chan? lmao
Admirable-Leather325@reddit
Tell me you never visited 4Chan without telling me you haven't.
YourDad6969@reddit
He said people should die for gun rights. He is people. He literally got exactly what he asked for
SimilarImportance567@reddit
You fucks really don't visit 4chan at all do you
absolutmenk@reddit
Totally sad because we created a society where this happens on the regular. School shooting in Colorado followed. Sure, let people have rifles. Also let idiots like Trump have the platform. His own Mom and family warned of this.
mayo_ham_bread@reddit
Everyone here is not old enough to vote or do anything really. Don't worry.
Creepy-Contribution2@reddit
Yes 4chan the most empathetic group of people
clippervictor@reddit
You must be new to 4chan
Neijx@reddit
4chan has always been about turning any tragedy into comedy - no matter the side/perspective/team.
source: 16 years of watching this dumpster fire burn
BongWaterRamen@reddit
Man I can't believe you edgelords are acting like this now. On 4chan nothing is sacred. Honestly 4chan is the first place I'd expect to see a joke about this
SouthMoth@reddit
4chan are all edgelords that hate everything and everyone lol this isnt a shocker
Arfuuur@reddit
lol this is 4chan
JonathanQShrimpling@reddit
What did you expect out of 4chan dumbass lmao
Zzamumo@reddit
tough shit lil bro
dilldoeorg@reddit
thoughts & prayers
gunbenefits@reddit
lol
swimmingmunky@reddit
Why can't I find the video anywhere???
mardavrio@reddit
You get the link ? there's one elsewhere in this thread, or dm me.
ThanosDarks@reddit
He got juiced ๐งโก๏ธ๐ง
Puzzleheaded_Chard_2@reddit
So funny seeing the party of peace mocking someoneโs death not knowing that all theyโre doing is radicalizing and created 100,000 more mini Charlie Kirkโs. You guys are a hoot
gami13@reddit
kind of like when the right was laughing when pelosis were attacked no? also kinda similar to when they were laughing about 2 democrats getting shot in minnesota, right?
Puzzleheaded_Chard_2@reddit
Please link me to both of those
gami13@reddit
here is for pelosi: https://web.archive.org/web/20221101070711/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/paul-pelosi-charlie-kirk-bail-conspiracies-b2214680.html
here is Mike Lee, a republican senator making fun of the 2 democrats dying:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-mike-lee-deletes-social-media-posts-minnesota-shooting-facing-crit-rcna213565
you can find his tweet on your own, shouldnt be hard, and this is just the shit that a random polish twink remembered
Puzzleheaded_Chard_2@reddit
Oh I thought you were talking about Charlie doing those things. My comment was about mocking Charlie Kirkโs death and that radicalizing more people. Not what other right wingers did. Right wingers mocking political violence is still fucked. Iโm not supporting it. Iโm just saying the lefts reaction to Charlieโs murder is just going to end up biting them in the ass
gami13@reddit
the first one is literally about charlie kirk doing it....
and yeah the online left's reaction is fucked and INSANELY bad optics, but almost every big democratic figure has said its bad and talked about turning down the temperature, we have to stop treating random online dumbasses on the left more seriously than we treat actual politicians on the right
Climactic9@reddit
Democracy in a death spiral for real
Innomen@reddit
The sword isn't his gun take ffs it's his loud support FOR A FUCKING HOLOCAUST. /facepalm
fussybanna@reddit
I see this going three ways. If the shooter is...
Isrealie, nothing will happen,
Arab, increase in discrimination,
white, liberal extremist (rare chance of being right-wing anti-isreal)
zeldaprime@reddit
I mean there are so many more options:
Black
Mexican
Gay
Trans
Woman
Conservative
FBI
Trump called Hit
Someone who Charlie Kirk banged their wife/husband
Obviously the most likely suspect is a white liberal man, but remember that's what we thought Trump's shooter was, turns out it was a "right"-leaning kid. (Right in quotations since I've heard so much BS about it, point is it wasn't a cut and dry lib extremist)
fussybanna@reddit
Those options could be possible, but the three I listed are FAR more probable, particularly the first one due to distance, area hit, and the fact certain public figures tweeted about the incident very soon after it happened as well as some statements Charlie Kirk made prior to this event.
tortoisepenishunter@reddit
The left is just soulless.
ahf95@reddit
Where were the good gun owners who I was told would stop this sort of thing from happening?
Dark_Pestilence@reddit
https://bestgore dot fun/w/3US99Mbr4oZFWCdBQidLRL
For anyone interested. Of course NSFW viewer discretion etc.
OldEducated@reddit
The fact that a website with that name exists is the problem with the world
GetalMearDolis@reddit
Was I a good goyim?
OldEducated@reddit
This is the thing, he started changing his stance, which likely is why the CIA and Isreal killed him
Can dm source
WolfOnABike@reddit
This cracked me up
WolfOnABike@reddit
The best
NakedAggression@reddit
"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
Heartshy32@reddit
People keep saying how thatโs taken out of context. With full context, his message is even more ignorant ;
โNow, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. Thatโs a price. You get rid of driving, youโd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving โ speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services โ is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that youโre not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you wonโt have a single gun death. That is nonsense. Itโs drivel. But I am, I, I โ I think itโs worth it. I think itโs worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universeโ
Purely_Theoretical@reddit
He's right in that there are several liberties we could ban to reduce deaths, but we don't.
NakedAggression@reddit
Thank you for providing the full context.
https://awakenaudio.podbean.com/e/charlie-kirk-live-in-slc/
Here's the original video if the interview, for anyone interested in Charlie's Kirk's word directly from his mouth.
tonytwobones@reddit
At least it wasn't gang violence
yeahfucku@reddit
Or a trans person
oni_no_onii-chan@reddit
Just a white grandpa who memorized his father's stories about fascists.
zeldaprime@reddit
Nope, that guy got released, it was someone else
jag8998@reddit
Yall need to get out of your parents basement holy shit this app is disgusting
chuckrabbit@reddit
Snowflake?
-sigma-enigma-@reddit
What did you expect to find here?
Curious_Claim_2285@reddit
Welcome.
Beerbonkos@reddit
Yeah 4chub is a place of civility and respectย
bbullo36@reddit
That he was right, about everythingโฆ..
Brussel_Rand@reddit
Gun license? In Utah?
Can't wait for people to say he wasn't shot because bullets get bigger as they travel or it was compressed air like they did with Trump
Vjezzamaaaaate@reddit
I highly doubt a gun shot him, What if his neck just did that? We don't really know.
Brussel_Rand@reddit
That would be really unfortunate to die from an artery randomly exploding the second someone cracks a whip, you'd be shining off to heaven seeing how everyone is going to think it was irony. No wonder why they couldn't find a shooter lol
gami13@reddit
nahhh the artery made that sound when it was exploding, it sounded like it came from somewhere else because of echos
Rybocephus@reddit
What the fuck is wrong with you people
lavalantern@reddit
He caused outrage and died because of the outrage he caused
Glitzarka@reddit
looks like he passed out before getting the chance to figure out what happened
ClockworkSalmon@reddit
Damn why couldnt it have been the orange pedo
roninrot@reddit
On point, in the middle of i'm no violen- PUM
richie65@reddit
Not sure why his fan base and the GOP / MAGA would be getting so snowflake emo about him getting shot... They should be celebrating this stuff. His death is prophetic proof that their efforts to protect the 2nd Amendment haven't been wasted. Him being killed by what their collective efforts have achieved, is not something they need to mourn. Them being upset about it, would only serve to mark his lost life, with a tone of hypocrisy. And that is simply uncalled for - It's speaking I'll of the dead.
Bane-o-foolishness@reddit
Support free speech.
Ex calls you a pedo in public
Life destroyed
What do?
Fuck this place, such a huge disappointment.
3MPTY21gg@reddit
People really make fun of somebody death and post pics like that, damn...
tidderkcuf787@reddit
Apparently his wife and two kids were at the event. 4Chan or not, agree with him or not, that shit is utterly tragic.
3MPTY21gg@reddit
Real, but Reddit don't care about shit
Dont_touch_my_spunk@reddit (OP)
It's 4chan bro, they were making jokes about the Australian mosque shooting while the dude was streaming it.
Maleficent_Laugh_125@reddit
NZ
whatThePleb@reddit
"gun goes brrr"
popozezo77@reddit
You people who are glad or nonchalant about this, are absolutely pieces of shit. KARMA for you all!
big_whistler@reddit
No itโs karma for Kirk! He was the one so nonchalant and dismissive about mass shootings for years.
zrock44@reddit
Imagine thinking someone should die because they don't agree that enforcing more rules that criminals will ignore will fix gun violence
MrCattsDad@reddit
The last words out of his mouth were about downplaying a school shooting, he literally got instant karma'd.
kpyle@reddit
Nazis who actively poison discourse and spread hate should die and im tired of pretending they shouldn't.
popozezo77@reddit
Fuck all of you, shifty human scum.
Dark_Pestilence@reddit
I dunno, I see a dead Yankee, I'm happy
Dont_touch_my_spunk@reddit (OP)
Welcome to 4chan, I love you
miku_dominos@reddit
This is going to be a very interesting catalyst.
Dont_touch_my_spunk@reddit (OP)
Franz Ferdinand levels maybe?
miku_dominos@reddit
I think all the people celebrating on Reddit potentially won't be laughing soon. It depends how things go but this was a very stupid thing to do.
oni_no_onii-chan@reddit
Ah, yes lil bro expected abusing his presidency rule has no consequences.
Hey hey, that rfk guy today said it's the video games that caused violence like we're still in 2003.
Dont_touch_my_spunk@reddit (OP)
It was bound to happen in the current climate unfortunately.
Nonance@reddit
We can only hope..
iamAliAsghar@reddit
I hope hell feels comfortable for him. He justified mass murder of innocent people, now look at him, the world is a funny place.
AtomicMonkeyTheFirst@reddit
Well....not a bullet.
PrinceOfFish@reddit
Shit, I might agree with whatever that big headed guy believed just for how raw that is.
jevnik@reddit
I didnt see him going around shooting, so no sword in his hand
Fun_Position_3615@reddit
He lived for the sword, so others could bear it. Then he died by the sword.
gumptionkiller@reddit
He lived by the word and died by the sword
EntWarwick@reddit
His face got just a little bit smaller right there at the end.
Upper_List3176@reddit
HE LIVED AND DIED FOR ISREAL HEAVEN AWAITS YOU CHARLIE.... I CANT BELIEVE MY EYES
TURBOWyMiaTaToR@reddit
Can I get a context, pls?
Johtoooo@reddit
He was shot in the neck while giving a public speech in Utah ~1 hour ago, he's likely dead
TURBOWyMiaTaToR@reddit
Damn, some unhinged lefty made him a Martyr
outhouse_steakback@reddit
If only the kids that get shot every year could be insta-martyred. Oh well on to tomorrow!
zrock44@reddit
If only schools had signs that stopped people from bringing guns in. Maybe if we make more rules they'll stop shooting them!
outhouse_steakback@reddit
Do you mean like at the college where Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck and died? Good call!
Ban_Bots_Not_I@reddit
Maybe harden the schools and offer to train any willing teacher who wants to do their job and protect our kids under their care? No, that's fascism or some shit.
Dissentient@reddit
Utah passed a law that explicitly allows guns on campus.
Iamboringaf@reddit
It happened in UK. But USA are built different, I guess.
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Responsible-Onion860@reddit
Charlie Kirk was shot and killed during a speaking engagement this afternoon..
Zakaru99@reddit
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
This is most likely the context being referenced, outside of him getting shot today.
genuine_pnw_hipster@reddit
Broโs last words were an attempt at dismissing a question by narrowing the frame on gun violence ๐ you canโt make this shit up.
TheGaslighter9000X@reddit
He consented.
absolutmenk@reddit
The last word he spoke was violence.
StinkUrchin@reddit
So weird that his last few thoughts were about trans people, mass shootings and gang violence
urbanaut@reddit
๐
gLu3xb3rchi@reddit
Prolly some type of shockwave from the bullet would be my guess.
brownboy567@reddit
Context anyone?
Giant_leaps@reddit
Kirk: โI think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.โ
boromirsbeard@reddit
He died as he lived, spewing bile from his throat
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No-Prior-4664@reddit
"Great"
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Ecstatic-Compote-595@reddit
there's no way his face is that small
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Kamina-000@reddit
All criminals should have public executions too
Mysterious_Pop_4071@reddit
At this point he knew he fucked up
Firm_Equivalent_4597@reddit
When keeping it real goes wrong
jamiestarza@reddit
Bandaid patch him up good like nothing ever happened
nullv@reddit
We can expect a national guard deployment in Utah to curb this out of control violence, right? Or were they too busy keeping Charlotte safe?
DoughNotDoit@reddit
For Donald-sama
Samboyo99@reddit
Not a nice watch
original_name125@reddit
I don't like that he was killed but he had some braindead takes.
ConductorBeluga@reddit
All of his takes are now
FIGPUCKERS@reddit
Lmaoooooo
CalmOptimal@reddit
I thought Chael Sonnen got fat and shot for a moment.
I always thought he was the fastest draw in the West Lynn.
I am relieved.
FIGPUCKERS@reddit
Chael would have dodged it
AvatarADEL@reddit
"if he's an immigrant, then it's ok as long as he's legal".
Fisherman_Gabe@reddit
"Aww man, this just had to happen the one day I forget to bring my emergency band-aid"
Disastrous-Muffin743@reddit
Fucking hell
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Shadowbannedandproud@reddit
Damn I just wanted to post this here.