Is British history boring to British people?
Posted by freshmaggots@reddit | AskABrit | View on Reddit | 449 comments
Hi, I am an American, but I am in love with British history, specifically the Tudor era and the Stuart era. I was wondering, do British people think it’s boring? As an American, I feel like our country’s history is more recent, (in terms of like British history), so, to me, British history is more interesting since there’s like more history.
ninjomat@reddit
I think you’d find plenty of Brits who aren’t into history at all.
But of the Brits who are into history I don’t think many of them would say they find British history boring or less interesting than that of other countries.
Certainly when I was at school in the early 00s the real emphasis was on making history fun for kids. So it was a lot of songs about the Henry VIIIs wives or learning about vikings destroying stuff or Harold Godwinson getting shot in the eye or being shown gas masks kids had to wear in ww2. So I think that’s left most people my age with the idea our history was pretty fun/cool even if they can’t remember a lot of the details.
EnglishRed80@reddit
Not for people who like history. To people who don't like history all history is boring.
Mickleborough@reddit
Brits possibly take their history for granted.
GodDamnShadowban@reddit
And we kinda skip a lot of bits where we're the bad guys. Partly we just dont have enough time to cover all those bits,
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yes! That’s what I was trying to say!
Mickleborough@reddit
To be fair, most people probably do in respect of their own country’s history.
But I ca see that the machinations of dynastic histories are more interesting.
georgepcanning@reddit
I think because we learn about it in school it just lives rent free in most of our heads so by the time we’re the same age as American tourists gawping at a 1000yo church we kinda just take it for granted.
MMH1111@reddit
Well put. I regularly pass bits of the Roman wall in London and don't really give it a thought.
GodDamnShadowban@reddit
After the found the Roman Amphitheatre in London they put on some mock roman games where it stood. was a cool day.
My favourite bit of trivia UK history is that "time immemorial" is officially anything before 1189. There are a number treaties/agreements that have been in place and not messed with that go back before then. its very much "weve been doing this forever, we dont always remember why and we arnt changing now". Like in 1066 when William the Conqueror took over, there was a big walled city fort of London that would have been a bitch to take so they all talked it over and agreed that William was king in name and London would pay lip service but he would have no power over the city. An agreement thats influence is still very much shapes the area the fort stood on today, just with fewer defensive walls.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yes! That’s what I mean! Like I was wondering like you guys probably take it for granted
georgepcanning@reddit
Don’t get me wrong there’s plenty of unenlightened people who genuinely don’t give a monkeys about it - and that’s a great shame. But most of us know about everything from Tudor times haha.
What I will say is that history in school is likely a little different depending on which home nation people are in. So I went to school in England and started with the Romans, then celts, then saxons, then Vikings, then 1066 and you just do history by the English monarch of the day.
Whereas I imagine in the other three home nations it starts differently - and likely with more emphasis on English invasions haha.
What I guarantee nobody learns about are the atrocities of the British Empire. For example I’d never heard of the Irish potato famine or the Amritsar massacre until I educated myself on these as an adult. There’s A LOT that ought to be included in history so that we grow up more aware.
Lollygagger105@reddit
That’s true and it’s late and I should be sleeping so won’t elaborate right now. However, I did have the burning desire to add that I think we learn more about history through literature than pure history text books
Sensitive_Tomato_581@reddit
I definitely was taught about Ireland and everything leaving up to what was known then as the Troubles in O level history. I also remember learning about the British in India - good and bad. I dont remember anything being glossed over.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Oh really? I had no idea! I bet most British people do know about it now tho due to Hamilton!
georgepcanning@reddit
Hahaha I did have a conversation about this when I studied in California actually. We do learn about “the American war of independence” though the word ‘revolution’ is generally absent haha
But what I mean are the actual atrocities of empire, things like massacres and genocides - morally unjust acts rooted in prejudices, racism, classism etc.
It’s a large reason why many countries still have a dislike of British people today because we’re ignorant of our nations past.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
I don’t dislike British people honestly! Like as a kid, i never thought they were bad! I was like, what a waste of perfectly good tea you could’ve had
OrangeLemonLime8@reddit
Depends what angle you come into it at
GodDamnShadowban@reddit
Look, people in York still dont trust people from Lancaster. If a bunch of lads form the next town over came round and killed everyone in the surrounding villages youd talk about it for 600 years too. and they talk funny. Best just skip right over all that and go to the divorce king and avoid the awkward talk about the hanging tree.
Qwopmaster01@reddit
I know far more about global history than I do British. From what I remember at school it was a very limited curriculum of Romans, the plague , Henry the viii , guy Fawkes, industrial revolution, and ww2.
SteamerTheBeemer@reddit
To be honest, the Stuart era and particularly the Tudor one, is so long ago now that I barely remember it, but there were some interesting characters.
Henry VIII always wanted to be the main character and he treated his 6 wives like NPC eggs that he could drop and crack at any point. As he did in many cases.
But yeah the American history is obviously not as long. But you are making very interesting history right now.
If there is ever a way of looking back on this time then I think your history will blow a lot of ours out of the water. It’s a wait and see game I guess.
resil30@reddit
I personally don’t think it’s boring. But some people may just think there is so much of it that it can either be
Overwhelming
They find their favourite parts of it and focus on that
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Ohhh I see thank you so much!
barrybreslau@reddit
I think some parts of our history have been overdone, like the Tudors. I'm obsessed with the English Civil War, which is fantastic. There are some great episodes of the Rest is History covering UK history. The recent series on Mary Queen of Scots was fascinating and helped me fill in the dots between the Tudors and Stewart's.
charge24hours@reddit
Upvote for The Rest is History. I think you're right about overexposure in a few topics, especially things on the national curriculum - even if the topic is interesting, people can be put off by bad teachers or just the school setting in general.
EnvironmentInside161@reddit
I think once you break free of the curriculum and start looking at other aspects of history the fun and passion then ignite.
FinFangFooom@reddit
Yep, A-level history put me off British history for life.
Curious-Term9483@reddit
Yep - it's partly to do with the minimal amounts we are taught at school
There was a stone age .... Some Romans happened ... Plague
Tudors & Great fire of London ... Maybe Industrial revolution if you were lucky (+ workers rights) ... World wars
Maybe some "modern history" covering middle east
You would be forgiven for thinking the big gaps in between were unimportant/boring if you were never given the opportunity to find out about them!
CommanderJeltz@reddit
Really? You remember the Romans and then....plague? That's about a thousand year gap! What about 1066 and the peasants revolt, the hundred years war and the wars of the roses? Or were you joking?
NoceboHadal@reddit
The English civil war is massively overlooked. There's possibly more out there,but the last thing I saw about it was A Field in England and that was in around 2013
AccomplishedGreen904@reddit
And that was just a fever dream
Good_Ad_1386@reddit
Powdered fever in the writing room, I felt.
Littleleicesterfoxy@reddit
I did a lot on the Wars of the Roses but that’s because I grew up about 7 milles from Bosworth Battlefield
barrybreslau@reddit
Some of the Pen and Sword books are good https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/English-Civil-War/c/47
CaffeinatedSatanist@reddit
Their series on the Romans in Britain was fantastic. Follow it up with a listen of "Boudica" by Joun Smith - it's fantastic.
skipperseven@reddit
The English civil war is absolutely fascinating. Definitely one of my favourite historical periods, but also one of the most brutal, which is saying a lot.
Scrimge122@reddit
I'm a big fan of Saxon history and what could have been if a single battle had turned out differently.
ColourfulCabbages@reddit
I love The Rest Is History. Their series on Anglo Saxon England, Harald Hardrada, Harold Godwinson, William, and 1066 were incredible.
zixy37@reddit
Some parts of ours in the states is overexposed and we have way less history (known) than you!
Familiar_Radish_6273@reddit
I feel like our history is superfocussed on a few specific periods and ignores most others. I know a fair amount about the Tudors, the Regency period, the Victorian era and the two world wars. I was taught almost nothing about the middle ages or the 18th century, and anything pre-Norman conquest is just glossed over as "Romans and Vikings"
Square_Peg22@reddit
Absolutely agree. It's also very focussed on English, rather than British, history. I don't think I learned any Scottish or Welsh history at school at all, so educated myself in later life. It was fascinating and it's a crime that we don't learn this.
ArmWildFrill@reddit
The middle ages are so entertaining too!
Familiar_Radish_6273@reddit
They are!
dinobug77@reddit
Only the eras covered in blackadder are relevant
Familiar_Radish_6273@reddit
Apart from series one, which must be why it was the least popular!
paperandcard@reddit
It’s always been my favourite series - some wonderful jokes!
jodorthedwarf@reddit
I know it's a joke but the jokes in the first series often didn't really land. Though, I suspect that that's because the first series sets that iteration of Blackadder up as the idiot (with Baldrick often being the intelligent one) and there's no smart alec character.
PsychologySpecific16@reddit
And it's rarely static either. Ww1 and ww2 history have had some pretty big revisions over time. Though part of that is more scrutiny over time and getting further away from the politics of the event in question.
Im sure things are discovered all the time for all periods in history. There certainly is for pre-historic.
Necessary_Umpire_139@reddit
There's just too much, when you've been going for over a thousand years. been involved in the majority of the world's affairs for 400 years it's fair to say there's a lot. Plus all the pre-roman conquest stuff there's just a lot.
scouse_git@reddit
To quote the fat History Boy, "It's just one thing after another."
HungryFinding7089@reddit
Not boring
Mental_Body_5496@reddit
Yes absolutely there just so much of it and feels daunting to even scratch the surface!
Cakeo@reddit
I enjoy etymology and it's great for learning history as well. Words unravelled is a good podcast if anyone is interested.
Mental_Body_5496@reddit
Yes me too - I learned that a phrase I thought was Shakespeare was Kit Marlowe instead !
Day_Dreaming_1234@reddit
Accurate answer. Asking if you like British history is over generalising, a bit like saying you like reading books or eating food. And in lots of ways, at certain periods, British history os also World history, so most people tend to focus on specific areas that they're interested in e.g. WW2, modern politics or the music scene in the 1960s. There's also something for everyone, so it would be wrong to say that you disliked British History because you're not into medieval stuff.
DogtasticLife@reddit
Yep I’m mostly a Plantagenet history buff (especially wars of the roses) but I completely lose interest the minute the Stuarts enter the story.
EnvironmentInside161@reddit
I live near Winchester so may be a little biased but the whole Viking invasion , King Alfred, and the forming of England etc very intriguing. I start to glaze over when the Tudors are mentioned. My interest picks up around the 1700s and the time of Empire building . Each particular part of British history holds different interests to different people.
Haramdour@reddit
Large chunks of our history aren’t…great so we learn about the Romans, a selection of inbred royalty, Flanders and the blitz. All the other things are just reminding ourselves why most of the world views us as the bad guys
BumblebeeNo6356@reddit
You only have to look at what shows are popular to know that people still care or are interested.
Konomiru@reddit
Depending on your region and your education I think people can be bored of some things because it gets taught to them to death.
I live near Chester and I'm still super fascinated with the cities history and the roman occupation of England, and the Welsh history from around the time. I feel like when you grow up surrounded by it you just stop taking interest or notice it, or the polar opposite and become heavily invested in it. The thing with British history is there's so much of it, you can find out historical stories of a area you ha e been to a researched dozens of times and still find something new that happened wya earlier/later than the stuff you do know.
Apparently, there was a local leader in northwhales who had a coat made of his slain enemies beards. So random but in all my years it was the first time I had heard it.
References_Paramore@reddit
I think in general Britons love their cultural history, even if they don’t quite realise it. Specific stuff like Tudor/Stuarts is complicated and we’re forced to learn about it in school so I can imagine people being less excited about that
ramma88@reddit
It depends. Like with most places there's obviously people who don't care that much about history but most people interested in history will be interested in British history as well
MiddleEnglishMaffler@reddit
It's only boring if the teacher teaching it doesn't have a clue how to teach.
Kids need interesting details to get their attention, especially with Henry's lot. I'm hobby history nerd but even I found Henry VIII boring at school and never learned anulything. The. i watched a six part documentary by Susanah Libscombe, where she delved into the details of each queen, accessorising around it with all th days and boring stuff that we were supposed to learn at school. And I got it.
If teachers would just flesh out the 'characters' in the tale they are telling and provide lots of visual portraits and such of the time, instead of dumbing a million dates and a complex family tree on us bored kids, it would be far more interesting.
funglejunk57@reddit
Think it's more to do with how it's taught.
Suchiko@reddit
There is a lot of it, and we weren't always very nice. Our subjugation of country x might be the biggest thing that ever happened to it, but for us it was 2 minutes of a history class some time in 1988.
Kind-Combination6197@reddit
Oh shut up. The history of the entire world is one group of people subjugating or displacing another.
veggiejord@reddit
And? You know you can think that's bad right? And a lot of people do think that...
haigboardman@reddit
Problem is British history has been used as a weapon to use on the gullible to create political discourse.
veggiejord@reddit
How so? My recollection of history in school is less about broader ideology and heavy focus on specific events.
Kind-Combination6197@reddit
I’ve managed to get over the subjugation and displacement of my ancestors by the Romans, Vikings, Saxons. I’ve got over the English/British treatment of my Irish ancestors, the German persecution of my grandmother’s Jewish family, and the Japanese working my grandfather nearly to death and knocking the shit out of him on a regular basis from 1942 to 1945.
It’s all history and I’m not wringing my hands with some daft feeling of guilt over somethings I was not involved in.
veggiejord@reddit
Nobody asks you to feel guilty. But you cannot on one hand claim the glories and take pride in the nation's history without acknowledging and recognising the bad things too.
And you are the one who felt the need to attack a poster for literally just acknowledging those things.
Snail-Mine@reddit
No hand wringing or guilt required, just knowledge.
Iain365@reddit
Exactly.
When the war of independence gets brought up by a yank, most British will just shrug their shoulders.
For us now, its such a small blip in a long history and it really isn't that important to our history.
India was much more important at the tkme.
NotASexJoke@reddit
It reminds me of a quote “if we celebrated every Independence Day we were responsible for we would have more public holidays than working days”
CinderX5@reddit
On average it’s one every week.
ihatethis2022@reddit
Sounds great
Tommy_Wisseau_burner@reddit
Such a waste. You were supposed to say “for us it was Tuesday”
Shimgar@reddit
Can't read this and not imagine Raul Julia saying it.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Ohhh thank you so much
TrivialBanal@reddit
If British people learned British history, they'd know why the bad guys in movies have British accents.
Familiar_Radish_6273@reddit
The downvotes are ironic here because this couldn't be more accurate. And I'm British
FeelingDegree8@reddit
Learnt*
TrivialBanal@reddit
That's exactly the problem. For British people it's all in the past tense, but for a lot of the world it's still in living memory.
FeelingDegree8@reddit
Learned is still past tense, in American English, so that's not quite the segue you thought it was when typing it up.
Nice attempt though
Let us know when you stop crying about the past and start looking ahead.
TrivialBanal@reddit
And why would we be using American English?
FeelingDegree8@reddit
You did, I didn't.
Learned in British English (pronounced ler - ned) means being educated.
TrivialBanal@reddit
Sorry but no.
So not just history, you need to learn English too.
I'm really not interested in teaching you about past participles. Grab a dictionary and figure it out for yourself.
mellios10@reddit
In British English the word is Learnt, Learned means something else. That was what the other person is trying to tell you.
Salmonofconfidence@reddit
Trust me we know.
Bad guys are more fun anyway...
dinobug77@reddit
What makes you think they don’t already know?
MagusFelidae@reddit
As a Brit, no! Not at all! I grew up on the Horrible Histories TV show and retain an interest in history - especially the lives of normal people in the middle ages and Tudor period.
History at school was a different story. My teacher hated me and graded me badly on everything because of that, and a large part of our studies were dedicated to American west. Which, I'm sorry, I don't care about how much they thought God told them to kill the natives and steal their land
AstroChet@reddit
No I don't think it's boring, but there is a lot that is omitted to save face, such as the inner workings of the empire, the famines caused and the slave trade. I do really like the late medieval period/Tudor period as well as the Viking age too.
PinthonyHeadtano@reddit
People who like history are interested. People who aren't interested in history, well, aren't.
GladAbbreviations981@reddit
Yes we are suffering from success. Everytime its we build big boat, we win, we take spice bag.
ItNeverEnds2112@reddit
I found some of it boring at school because of the way it was taught and what we had to remember. But now I find it absolutely fascinating.
OverlordOfTheBeans@reddit
My year 10 history teacher was brilliant. Got me actually interested in the subject. He'd come in singing songs, told the history with excitement and vigour. Fantastic teacher. One you did not piss around with either. RIP, Dr Bleach, you brilliant man.
Jenbob73@reddit
I had a fantastic history teacher. She had was passionate about it & made the lessons really interesting. Always loved finding out about different eras
thejuanwelove@reddit
thats school for you and it happens the same everywhere, what you hated and found super boring in school is your obsession as an adult
Delicious_Link6703@reddit
Exactly right. I never could remember the list of monarchs and their dates. I did like to hear about their relationships, how tough they were with their people etc.
Spirited-Push-6533@reddit
Was about to say this!
BlueEyedSpiceJunkie@reddit
That’s the way with a lot of history. How you learn and who tells it makes a huge difference.
PenaltyNo3221@reddit
I think this can be applicable to any subject, anywhere in the world. There are better teachers than others. The good ones make you enjoy learning!
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Ohhh I see thank you so much
Zossua@reddit
It was taught badly at school . I much preferred it when we were taught about Ancient Greece and the Romans . It was only after school I learnt about all the awful things Britain did too.
DashHopesTDH@reddit
Hell no
FriendshipCritical95@reddit
Nah, I like it. Glad you do too!
Lollygagger105@reddit
I still learn something new about history every week. And British history has many tentacles which spread so far and wide. Current personal awe-inspiring reading is the Norman influence (and origins) across Europe. As a child I’d always thought it was about 1066, but now.. wow!
coffeewalnut08@reddit
No, I find it quite interesting. Especially certain periods like the Tudors and Victorians.
I find the Roman era boring because there’s less obvious evidence of it - just a bunch of ruins and plaques explaining things. I prefer historical periods that have more evidence.
Lollygagger105@reddit
Yeah. What did the Romans ever do for us?
Infamous-Sherbert-32@reddit
I do see what you mean, but at the same time I find it remarkable that some of the engineering of the Romans still makes its mark today. I often drive on the A15 in Lincolnshire. It started life as Ermine Street, built by the Romans and stretching from London to Lincoln and then on to York. I think there are other such examples of Roman roads elsewhere in the country, such the Fosse Way, the section of which between Lincoln and Leicester has now become the A46.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much! Same here
Maximum_Scientist_85@reddit
I went to an open day for a museum that’s going to open next year (Stori Brymbo) that was absolutely amazing. Beautifully charted everything starting from a huge fossilised forest that you can see & touch fossils from, which predates the dinosaurs by 70m years - then takes you through the dinosaurs and on to very early Iron Age settlements in the area including Brymbo Man (full human skeleton found in the 1950s which is of national importance), then how the iron that produced that settlement went on to become a key factor in the development of the early Industrial Revolution (1760s) which in turn brought about “Iron Mad” Wilkinson, a key figure in early iron & steel production whose guns & cannons amongst other things armed the French and American revolutions.
Stepping a bit back again, locally in Chester (or even closer, Rossett which is less than 5 miles from Brymbo) you can go and see and touch Roman ruins, and (in Chester) the sites of important battles in the English civil war. And then back in Brymo, just behind the museum, you can see a lovely, long stretch of Offa’s Dyke - the ~1200 year old border between England and Wales.
But get this. Those iron & steel works were fuelled by coal … which was formed by that fossilised forest 350m years ago. And the foundations of iron production 3000+ years ago. All stuff you can just go and see and touch and feel connected to.
And all of that gives some context as to why the place looks like it does, why the settlements are here and not there. It’s great, maybe unlike anywhere I’ve been before you feel so connected to the past - it all seems incredibly relevant.
I love it.
Lollygagger105@reddit
I think you must be a neighbour of mine 😁
Working_Document_541@reddit
I enjoy history. But sadly most schools/exam boards hyper fixate on a specific time.. When I was doing A levels it was Europe 1890 until 1945 and Britain during the great depression. We weren't to talk about the war except in the abstract and it was all about the politics of the time.. All of history and we were doomed to repeat the same. Needless to say I had gotten disillusioned after my exams and sort of picked at history subjects as I go.
Wahwahboy72@reddit
The origins of Britain are never taught/poorly understood.
Tells us a lot about the politics of today, the Angles and Saxon English being a Germanic immigrant tribe taking land from the Celts.
Fazzamania@reddit
No, it’s absolutely fascinating but it seems to be something people get interested in as they get older.
ImBaldAndOld@reddit
No...we do take it for granted a little...I love Tudor too... I love in Tewkesbury, a place mentioned in Shakespeare's Richard the 3rd...
I'm also distantly related to a famous Tudor knight 🙂
SvKrumme@reddit
No. But there is soooooo much history in Britain it’s hard to get a decent grasp of any significant amount. So it’s not surprising that people know a bit about a range of stuff and not much in any real depth.
Putrid_Buffalo_2202@reddit
You probably know more than most people here, mate. And American history is really interesting, was my favourite set of modules in uni.
Accomplished-Fix-831@reddit
History period is boring to most people...
ryan22788@reddit
Tudor era is just over done, and when it’s done…it’s done some more. There is so much more to our history then the tudors
Legal_Mix9273@reddit
We love Brisit history and are very proud of it. 🏴🏴🏴
Midnight_Certain@reddit
Recap of my history classes from primary through too high school.
How ww2 started (light)
The blitz
How ww1 started (missing a few decades of context)
A lesson on trench life and a lesson on propaganda posters. (My exam was just a media exam on a propaganda poster and I hated it)
Tuders (Henry viii wives short form, fast forward to Elizabeth where you watch Elizabeth the golden age, and ger a short lesson on the Spanish armada with little to no context beyond slan wanted to make us catholic)
If you have a lesson near to bomb fire night you'll get a lesson on the gunpowder plot.
We had a few lessons on slavery.
That was about it
Missed out thw civil wars, unification of England, Danlaw, 100 years war, 7 years war, Glorious revolution, roman Britain, American revolution, napolionic wars, Britian ending the slave trade, Richard the lion Hart.
Unless you study and collage or university, the school system outsourced history to Horrible History's to fill I'm any blanks.
Intelligent-Good-966@reddit
History began in 1720 with the Industrial Revolution starting to kick on. Before that, meh.
HePencil@reddit
It was at school; because there's so much of it and we kept getting taught about Henry VIII and what the Romans did for us ! NOW I love history - especially local history.
Own-Priority-53864@reddit
Not boring to me, though there are certain moments i am sick of hearing about - through their prevalence in schools and documentaries and books.
I never want to hear about the events leading up to and surrounding 1066 again. I never want to hear about Henry Viii, his wives or his court. I'm sick of the "blitz spirit" and children in scratchy jumpers evacuated to the countryside.
Marvinleadshot@reddit
Watch King and Conqueror on BBC.
But yeah, you're right there's an obsession with Tudors, and WW2 and Victorians. Where are the later Stuarts too we hear about James VI/I Charles I, but not James II, Mary and William, the Georgians too overlooked, but we have the Plantagenets too massive amount of drama potential in there, Shakespeare mined it.
Own-Priority-53864@reddit
King and Conqueror is precisely the kind of drivel i'm talking about. Not only is it ahistorical in almost all characterisations, it's fucking dull too. I don't know why you'd assume it'd change my mind instead of confirming what i've already said.
Marvinleadshot@reddit
Then stick to the books, which I'm sure you're reading.
Own-Priority-53864@reddit
Because i thought one tv show was bad (a tv show that has been heavily critiscised btw)?
Your skin is too thin if you're unable to live in peace with someone disliking a tv show
Marvinleadshot@reddit
Oh I'm sure there's a lot of shows you don't like, but I bet On The Buses isn't one of them
Therealscavvierising@reddit
Sharpe, Hornblower and Blackadder is the extent of my Georgian knowledge.
Marvinleadshot@reddit
Yeah, now think of the Tudors
jimbo8083@reddit
I feel we could learn more about the Crimean war
EUskeptik@reddit
The 2014 war? 🤔
TheSecretIsMarmite@reddit
The 1850s. Most people in primary school when I was small associated it with Florence Nightingale.
Dangerous_Air_7031@reddit
I think it's too fresh to get the "facts" for now.
sossighead@reddit
British involvement in European wars outside of the world wars is definitely a huge blind spot for most people.
wildskipper@reddit
British involvement in any wars outside of the world wars is a huge blind spot. Especially the ones we started.
Tommy_Wisseau_burner@reddit
As an American I’m curious, with your comment about the events leading up to 1066, do you learn the context of what led up to ww1? Frankly we don’t have a standard educational system in the US but I don’t know anyone who really grasps why it became such a monumental war. I recently started learning about the Great War more and how the defeat of Napoleon and the rise of Germany both intertwined with the war. Before it always seemed like “why yall mad?” But to your point learning about those made it make so much more sense than just being historical talking points
minadequate@reddit
Yup I get it, his need for divorce created the Protestant religion but if you can name all 6 of Henry’s wives and fx neither of his parents or kids… why is it that relevant. I think a lot of that beyond the idea of the interlinking of European royal families… is so dull and overdone.
Alert-Painting1164@reddit
No, his need for divorce created the Church of England and he leveraged the reformation for his own purposes but he did not create Protestantism
GreatChaosFudge@reddit
There’s a case for saying the Church of England didn’t really get going until the Act of Settlement in 1558, given the brief restoration of Catholic authority under Mary. But no, Henry didn’t create Protestantism.
See, this is the kind of stuff that bored me rigid at school but which I now find fascinating.
Flibertygibbert@reddit
The endless Corn Laws 😣
TastyYellowBees@reddit
No, it’s brilliant. US history is also fascinating!
Wheresmymindoffto@reddit
No, but I feel media like to suggest we should be ashamed of our history.
JEH4NNUM@reddit
To be honest, some parts of British history were very boring to me at school. I have no real interest in lists of kings and queens or battles of this and that. But some history occasionally connected with me. We once visited a Tudor house and I felt a weird energy I've never experienced since.
elvengamer420@reddit
all history is boring to most people
Commercial_Cook7301@reddit
No
Sea_Pomegranate8229@reddit
I am fascinated by history and the breadth of it can be overwhelming but the rabbit holes can be fun. Being brought up in England I had a slant built in and my knowledge of Scottish history was next to zero. Just a little bit around the Tudors and Stuarts. I then moved to the Borders and delved into the 'Rough Wooing' and the Reivers. Add the Romans and early middle ages and there is enough history in that ten mile stretch of land north of the Cheviots to last a dozen lifetimes.
I then moved further north and I have the largest know Roman legionary fortress on my doorstep - I'll leave that to you to name.
Were I able to concentrate rather than flit about like a moth, which is my wont, then I would probably concentrate on learning perhaps one reign and then expand out from that. But the joy of there being so much history is that there is always something more to learn. And the joy of learning is that you already have context for further reading.
I am currently looking at Gask ridge Roman routes / roads and that has led me to research the drove roads of scotland.
Prestigious_Emu6039@reddit
British history can be overwhelming, we have defeated almost every nation and dominated on every continent over 1000 years so naturally it will be impressive.
Gloomy_Insurance3203@reddit
Presentism is more of an issue.
People are too fond of judging decisions made in another time by our standards and then labelling it evil etc.
Instead we should look at why they made those decisions. What were other countries doing. Was it a good/bad decision in the context of the time.
Sure consider what we would have done but we shouldn’t judge them by our standard.
Sharp_Yard9850@reddit
No
Traditional_Bee2164@reddit
To be fair for the most part we aren't even taught it in school, I've spoken to many people of all ages and none of us ever had a history lesson that delt with the British empire. In school we are taught about the Roman occupation, the viking incursions and then specific events of world history but very little about our effect on the rest of the world
ldn85@reddit
We should teach less Tudors and more Wars of the Three Kingdoms.
andytimms67@reddit
No, it’s actually mad interesting a bit sad and occasionally very funny. Unfortunately, many people see it has not accessible and don’t get into it but they are missing out.
Zs93@reddit
Britains history involves making the rest of the world miserable so I think it’s a bit of a drag for most people
TheSecretIsMarmite@reddit
Sometimes it's one of those things that school manages to put you off of, and you only discover as an adult. We also have so much of it recorded over a couple of thousand years that it is overwhelming, especially when your grandparents or parents are of an age where they lived through the second world war - that still seems quite recent due to family history and family stories even though it ended 80 years ago.
I don't think school instilled much interest in me at all and I only really got interested in history as an adult when I started studying literature of different periods that were very much rooted in their time, like Oroonoco, the Heart of Darkness, This Way for the Gas Ladies and Gentleman, Pride and Prejudice etc
OliverLacon@reddit
Just started listening to This Sceptered Isle for about the 6th time. Never gets boring and, possibly, the most complete chronological description of events up to Victoria.
jayjones35@reddit
No it’s amazing, we are just not aloud to celebrate it in all its shame and glory… we only ever get the shame
Chorly21@reddit
No certainly not boring.
under_ice@reddit
Seems to me they dwell on it. Look at all the history shows on Brit TV
Doctordelayus@reddit
I remember in primary school (elementary for Americans) going on a trip to an old Tudor style village (or something like that, memory is a bit fuzzy) and for a few hours we lived like Tudor era kids, the food was also prepared Tudor style and we got to make our own apple juice and done some other things too
As a kid, I found it kinda boring but if I were to visit that place again and walk around the buildings which are from that era, I’d find it interesting
sanctum9@reddit
Depends, I hated having to learn lists of kings and queens and the wars and battles between them. I did however enjoy learning about the industrial revolution.
ObsydianGinx@reddit
I’m English and an archaeologist and yes I find British history boring. It’s also depressing having to constantly learn about all the horrible stuff we did to everyone
Suspicious_Banana255@reddit
It's very interesting
weedywet@reddit
All history is tedious.
And invariably used to attempt to justify onerous positions.
Mundane-Bug-4962@reddit
You feel like American history is more recent? Gee, no kidding.
AlfonsoTheClown@reddit
There’s just a lot of it. There are some periods which I find super fascinating like the 1700s through to the Napoleonic wars
dualdee@reddit
Maybe I'm weird but I tend to find everyday-life stuff more interesting than the "big" events.
pmcfox@reddit
I love our history and am a huge enthusiast, but our education system does not do it justice. Most people will think we have a fantastic history and will know some of the highlights i.e. the Tudors, the Victorians, the world wars but not much else. I would personally love to see medieval history prioritised more but there is only so much can be squeezed in.
There's no real reason British history pre-US shouldn't be taught over on your side seeing as it's the history of those who founded the country. It's a shame that revolutionary propaganda seems to have endured so long that you can't celebrate your country's roots.
somethingbrite@reddit
We have a LOT of history and few of us can step 6 feet in any direction without coming face to face with it. I grew up in a shabby town on the outskirts of London. Which is also the location of several battles... including between the early English and the Dane's. (and possibly a point on the river used by the Romans during their invasion...)
Overall_Dog_6577@reddit
Our history is essentially us fighting for survival against romans, vikings and english scottish history is anything but boring.
HighPriestess29@reddit
I have two history degrees. It's not boring to me
ThePeninsula@reddit
There is like more history. Like yeah. More.
KatVanWall@reddit
I find it really interesting! I didn't at school, but that was because we focused on some really boring parts of it and our teacher was also crap. (I'm pretty sure 'Britain 1815-1851' is literally the most boring time period EVER, lol. The history of medicine was cool, but that wasn't Britain-focused.)
It's true that some parts are also kind of 'overexposed' due to being more prevalent in popular culture and media - Henry VIII, the Tudors, Elizabeth I, Bloody Mary, the Civil War, the Wars of the Roses, the Victorians are ones that spring to mind.
As an adult, I've rediscovered a love of history in my 40s! My current personal favourites are:
Really early history (or comparatively early) - the Iron Age, the Anglo-Saxons, the Vikings, and I recently read a really interesting book about Boudica because my kid covered her at school and I realised I didn't know anything about her. That also, of course, included a bit about the Romans, who had never really interested me much before but have started to now.
Richard III and the Battle of Bosworth - because I live near that area, have attended some cool events at the battlefield centre, and my kid started to get really into it and is a big Ricardian haha (we even went metal detecting, and I've now read several books about the battle with various theories on where it really took place!). I'm also from Leicester and was living there when the discovery of his bones took place, so that sparked off my interest.
World Wars I and II, specifically the aircraft - was a special interest of mine since I was a kid and started reading the WWI Biggles books, the stories about him being a fighter pilot that were originally written for adults (the later kids' books where he's a special agent are fun, but the early, grittier ones were what really grabbed me).
Locality-based history - so when I'm at a place, I like to learn about cool things that happened there in the past and historical sights/locations nearby. Northumberland is great for that, as it has so many awesome castles, all with fascinating histories! But as I've been getting middle-aged, I'm starting to see the appeal of 'local history' (which always struck me as dry and boring when I was young, lol). Some of things I remember about my town from my childhood have now passed into 'local history'! I'm discovering that it's actually kinda cool to know historical stuff about where you live, as well as places you visit.
All in all, for some reason I tend to find *really* early history more interesting than the more recent stuff. Something about the way human nature hasn't fundamentally changed across the centuries and even millennia is fascinating to me.
Viva_Veracity1906@reddit
Every year thousands of students, having studied history from grade 1, choose to study history at GCSE and A level and University. The BBC and other channels make historical series from living in a certain time period to deep dives into specific parts of history. Historical drama is our jam. We don’t find it boring, we find it bloody useful. Currently we spend a goodly time comparing current events to Hitler’s playbook.
evelynsmee@reddit
Our history isn't boring but it's often boring talking about it to Americans. No offence intended but appreciate that's a pretty offensive statement, but the frequency of obsessing over random stuff, pretending to be of whatever nationality because a great great grandparent emigrated into your country of immigrants (aka you're almost entirely immigrants we get it you're still not Irish), and DO YOU CELEBRATE INDEPENDENCE DAY dude which one a country has an independence from the UK on average every 4 days.
The loud, relentless enthusiasm is jarring. The joy is also jarring (outside of the far right that have an invented history) given much of the history of fecking ruthless, exploitative, and genocidal. Like....how do you think you all reckon you're Irish, they didn't leave for fun. The Scots didn't leave for fun. My grandma was caned at school for speaking Welsh.
You get this mix of glorification (lies, propaganda, twisted truths) overlapping with nationalism that the rest of us want to avoid, and the cultural clash of relatively over the top faking it Americans. So it probably seems we don't find it interesting when most people do. I studied archaeology and whenever I fart out a random historical fact all my colleagues (white collar job), friends etc get all excited. It's regularly in pub quizzes etc.
542Archiya124@reddit
British lick their lips every time they learn about how they send their own people to america or australia and massacred the natives. And of course they were the one that stood til last against the Germans in the great war.
Cult-Film-Fan-999@reddit
We hear so much of it, like it's the be all and end all of history. But there's plenty of other history, the rest of Europe for starters, that we hear a lot less of.
Charming-Objective14@reddit
Find visiting historical places more interesting than when I was reading it in a book when I was at school
OddPerspective9833@reddit
OP, do you think your history started with 1776? Your history includes the Stuarts, the Tudors, and the Romans
811545b2-4ff7-4041@reddit
Our history spans thousands of years, waves of invasions, Kings and Queens, the rising and fall of an Empire, the birthplace of industrialization, the birthplace of the computer age, the impact of two massive wars on the population .. boring???
ArmWildFrill@reddit
Mind you, the history of places like Germany or the Austro-Hungarian Empire are even more crazy and complicated than ours
811545b2-4ff7-4041@reddit
Yeh, loads of tribes, the full Roman empire stuff, lots of dynasties and leagues, reformation, lots of science, Prussia, German empire .. if anything, it makes British history feel more clean cut.
And then somethings happened between 1914 and 1945 but we shall skip that bit for today
ArmWildFrill@reddit
Carl Jung said he thought the Germanic people had a kind of collective psychosis. He said all his German patients told him of dreams they had, which Jung said were commonly found in schizophrenics. Stuff like Wotan laying waste to his enemies and other mythological content
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
I know! Thank you so much!
811545b2-4ff7-4041@reddit
And just to hammer it home, go watch the 2012 Olympic Games openings from London - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4As0e4de-rI
I'd argue our Olympic games opening was so good, was because the UK has not only a deep history, but also a massive influence on modern culture, especially from the 60s to 00s.
The closing ceremony was pretty good too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij3sgRG5sPY
I guess it's cheating when you can get Pink Floyd, Queen and The Who to turn up.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much
Aware-Turnover6088@reddit
Learning about tudors at school? Loved it! Learning about crop rotation in the 1600s? Not so much.
Entire_Winner5892@reddit
When we're little we WANT to hear about Celts and Knights and Richard the Lionheart.
But instead, aged 12, The curriculum just gives us endless Tudors and Stuarts and guys in codpieces passing acts of union. And at that age it's SO BORING.
oldie349@reddit
No it’s fascinating, and so is the overlap with the rest of Europe
PadraigPower@reddit
Maybe to some it might be boring but I find British history very interesting it is my favourite topic in history. Specifically Celtic Britons are my favourite thing to learn about but pretty much all time periods in Britain interest me. Ever since I was a kid I loved British history.
Buddie_15775@reddit
No.
We didn’t do the Tudor’s because that was English history.
We did the Scottish wars of independence (Wallace, Robert the Bruce and all that) and it was certainly not boring.
GharlieConCarne@reddit
There’s no way it can really be considered boring, unless you’re a person who finds all history boring in general. The nations of Britain have long and complicated histories, filled with drama, which are relatively well documented too - making it somewhat an outlier when compared to other countries.
The wealth of information from even 1000 years ago makes it truly very interesting
winobeaver@reddit
nah man we love history. You should check out the Horrible Histories series; they're targeted at kids but I'd still happily read 'em. They were top-tier books when I was a kiddo
our history is amazing and I feel a close connection with it. Perhaps not Henry VIII and his wives (great story tho and a horrible man) but more the carnage of the 20th century
ArmWildFrill@reddit
The Horrible Histories series are a funny & entertaining way to find out about British history. Really worth a watch. Another good thing from the Beeb.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Omg I love horrible histories!
winobeaver@reddit
nowadays I like just reading random wikipedia articles about history. The French obv also have a fascinating history
Low_Snow411@reddit
Don't forget the 40,000ish civilians killed in the Blitz in 1940.
winobeaver@reddit
I know they were nazis and everything, and also they lost, but we blitzed to death about 10 times as many Germans. Allied bombings even killed 69000 French civilians. It seems to me that the continent was seeing a lot of the horror of war, and we made sure it didn't cross the channel
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yess same here!
DylenwithanE@reddit
unrelated but most of the HH cast reunited and made a sitcom called Ghosts about a bunch of ghosts from different periods in history haunting the same mansion (the uk one, there’s an american one as well i think)
great_cornholio_13@reddit
Im currently reading "A history of Britain in ten enemies" - it's by Terry Deary, who wrote the horrible histories books. Its more in depth and grown up, but with lots of the silliness.
A particular line that had me in stitches was describing Boudicas defeat to the Romans as "the end of the woad"
Own_Blueberry_33@reddit
I am british and I find our history extremely uninteresting. I have no idea why I find the history of many other countries much more fascinating.
butt3rflycaught@reddit
I really enjoy history now I’m older.
funkmachine7@reddit
If you do them in school then you can get a really boring view of them. There's nothing like a long art hose movie about Mary queen of Scots to put you off.
Marvinleadshot@reddit
It's rich and fascinating, however there's certain periods TV and dramas focus on to the detriment of other periods. Everyone knows about the Tudors, Gunpowder Plot, but only occasionally do you get stories about people such as George Villiers and James the I/VI, We had a civil war but there's barely anything about it.
Plantagenets many just go oh Shakespeare covered it we won't, but Game of Thrones is based on this period of history, and the red wedding is based on a real event the Black Dinner of 1440 James II of Scotland slaughtered his rivals at dinner.
We miss Scottish, Welsh and Irish (bar the f*ing potato famine, a small part of such a rich history) history or shows nobody know that the Irish would come across to Wales and take people back as slaves.
But all History Channel and even main channels pump out if WW1, WW2, Tudors, Gunpowder Plot, and the Miner's Strike and even though people know about 1066, there's nothing really about it the 1st show to really look at what happened before and after is a new BBC show King and Conqueror. I mean there might be more next year when the Tapestry comes over to the UK.
But in UK schools it's not just British history, Middle East, America, Medicine, Crime and Punishment, Russian, French history can be taught from their revolutions. What's taught in UK schools comes down to the Head of the History department and what they like or what they're used to teaching and makes things easier.
Sauce666@reddit
British history is very interesting.
Too bad some soft twat will try to make you feel like shit for what someone else did 500 years ago
Marvinleadshot@reddit
Nobody does that! Ffs people like you know only WW2 and naff all else let alone how it's taught!
ArmWildFrill@reddit
I remember covering the UK inter-war years in History (1900 to the present day which was 1977, and it was either boring or grim, or both. The Russian Revolution and the rise of the Nazis are hard to compete with though.
Ramsay MacDonald
RedHeadRedemption93@reddit
No, I think it's fascinating... Especially since the dark ages it's just (generally) been a slow transition up to the industrial revolution without huge major upheavals or revolutions unlike many other parts of Europe.
Halfdanr_H@reddit
I find some periods of it fascinating and other periods less so. I love to read about Roman Britain, the early medieval period, the enlightenment, and World War One.
HugeEntrepreneur8225@reddit
I love our history, though to degree I think a lot of us take it for granted… My local pub was opened in 1615 and there are lots around the same age/older. I also walk past a section of Roman wall every day that I guarantee most people don’t even see lol even though it’s not small!
Toblerone05@reddit
It isn't, but I do feel that our education system focuses on mostly the most boring bits of our history, which puts a lot of people off.
DoctorNerfarious@reddit
Country is fixated on brainwashing its citizens into hating this country so essentially all that is taught is about how bad we were and how we should feel bad about that now.
Hence, people generally aren’t interested in it or hate it.
Desperate-Ad-5109@reddit
No- equally fascinated. Especially the centuries when we owned France’s ass.
irish88888888@reddit
I think they intentionally exclude the colonisation and atrocities around the world in their education system and instead teach about the world wars and England's part in it
AuroraDF@reddit
No it's not boring. But there is a lot of it. And sometimes the stuff taught in schools is boring so then people think all history is boring. Personally, I'm not all that keen on royal history and battles etc. I like to know the history of the ordinary people in each period and how they lived. Or of the things that were invented at different times and how that influenced the culture of the time. Kings and Queens deaths really never did it for me. (Especially since I was at school in Scotland, and the only history we did was royal history of England, before the UK existed. Which was a bit insulting. I dropped it as soon as I could. I believe they learned about WWII next.
Serious_Shopping_262@reddit
As an adult, I find it interesting.
But History class in school is very much about kings and queens and as a kid it was quite boring.
Although I remember doing a school trip to a Victorian manor where we cosplayed as little Victorian kids. We ate Victorian food (some kind of broth), took Victorian classes where we had to write with ink pens and did certain activities that Victorian children did. It was a cool experience
strangercheeze@reddit
All history can be boring… or it can be very interesting. It depends on the presentation.
Unfortunately History as a subject taught in British schools is dull and turns most people off it for life. Better, more engaging presentation helps; many history documentaries on TV are fascinating, but most won’t watch because high school taught them that history is boring 🤷🏻♂️
Clean-Noise8197@reddit
Fuck no, take it in small chunks so as not to be overwhelmed. Currently I'm focusing on Londinium
Didymograptus2@reddit
The problem with British history is that it is really English history and ignores major events in Scotland and Wales. It is also biased to be favourable to the ruling class especially royalty who only got to be monarchs because they were better at murder than everyone else.
Silver-Climate7885@reddit
Not at all. I love history, so to me I'm always watching history shows, or reading about history of the country. If I had my school years back I would absolutely go back and study history in school and then university, to work in that realm of work. Unfortunately in high school, my history teacher was just obsessed with Henry VIII so that's all we learnt or coloured in pictures of him (I actually think that's all she knew of history tbh)
Majestic_fox_biscuit@reddit
Our history is varied, lengthy and honestly fantastic. So much has happened although the period you refer to isn’t a personal favourite although the rise of the Tudors and the war of the Roses is very interesting. A favourite of mine is the Roman era or the napoleonic era, so much to choose from
Yes we conquered and pillaged but we were really only doing it to stop the Spanish and French which is why they backed up and supported the American war of Independence
Wise-Independence487@reddit
I live history, some bits more than others. I tend to find I get interested in one area, then I move onto another section etc.
I listen to a fair few podcasts, I have seen someone recommend the rest is history but I also go for we are history and you’re dead to me. They are a little more light hearted.
Kayanne1990@reddit
No, I find it pretty interesting.
Fun-Cheesecake-5621@reddit
Love our British history, it’s so fascinating.
Phaedo@reddit
The Tudors and Stuarts are taught in schools, and the subject of many TV programmes. What this comes down to is clearly some people love it, but honestly we hear about it all the damn time. Also the version we’re taught is weirdly slanted.
Watch “Gunpowder, Treason and Plot” by Jimmy McGovern for a treatment that I felt was good enough to watch.
volunteerplumber@reddit
I love it. I listen to the British History Podcast which is made by a British guy who lives in the USA.
Idontdanceever@reddit
I think US history often feels like one big story, the narrative of the idea that is the USA. British history on the other hand, feels more like a bunch of stuff that happened, so is told less as a cohesive story, and more like a pick'n'mix of facts.
ScampAndFries@reddit
I saw a homeless guy dressed as Henry VIII the other day!
Just goes to show, beggars CAN be Tudors.
gazzas89@reddit
Bits are fun, bits are boring. I think my one complaint from school is there is a bit of washing g over the more factual stuff. Like I know it will sound, but I feel showing what a flawed person, but ultimately the right person when needed, Churchill was.
Interesting-Win-3220@reddit
The recorded history with good primary sources is vast and complex over only 1000 yrs.
You can pick the bit you like the most and read endlessly about it.
I find the parts around 1066 Battle of Hastings and before that quite fascinating as there's still quite a lot of unknowns and few Primary sources. Historians are still trying to piece together the details of that period.
cync5a@reddit
From Neolithic burial chambers to medieval castles, the thumb prints of British history are everywhere. Personally, I find the historical background of these features quite fascinating. Being able to touch a standing stone that was erected in 4000 BC blows my mind.
thegreyman1986@reddit
Not at all, however what I would say is that younger generations seem less into it. I’m 38, History was my favourite subject in school, didn’t matter if it was Romans, British History, European History or whatever I was into it! And to this day the vast majority of books I’ve read have been history books or biographies
However, as I’ve gotten older and inevitably the next generations have entered the work force, I’ve found that they basically have no knowledge or interest in history.
Obviously, small sample size, I know, but when I was growing up most guys my age enjoyed history, even the most disruptive dickhead kids would calm down and not interrupt during History lessons because they found it interesting.
julia-peculiar@reddit
If you don't follow them already, I really recommend the following British history YT channels: Reading the Past, History Calling, Welsh Viking, History After Dark, J. Draper, Paul Whitewick - and, of course, Time Team Classics and Time Team Official.
tartanthing@reddit
On a technicality, British history does not begin until 1707.
CaveJohnson82@reddit
Elements can be boring. I'm not a fan of Tudors and Stuart's, partly because I think I did something about them every year in primary school, and partly because in general I find most eras pre-20th century not as interesting as 20th century history (my particular interest being ww2).
Wasn't a fan of the industrial revolution. But I did have a shitty teacher for that module.
New_Line4049@reddit
I think the thing is, theres soooooo much of it, and some of it really is quite dry. Its very hard to know where to start, or to have enough time to dedicate to learning so much. US history is more recent, its just a branch of British history.
Puzzleheaded_Pin2566@reddit
Weird thing about British history is it seems so few could do so much back then, like invade and defeat an entire country and take it over with only a couple of thousand men in one or two scraps and forever change its course.
Tumphy@reddit
It’s fascinating and there’s so much of it. Generally starting with the Roman conquest and each period since then is so different. Building such a large empire on top of everything that came before - it’s epic
Medium_Roof_3745@reddit
I enjoyed all the Scottish history I was taught at school.
chris--p@reddit
Yes I think it's fascinating, it's a pretty unique country.
Robmeu@reddit
History as taught is so incredibly varied. If you’re into it you tend to have bits you get obsessed with, for me it’s pre 1066 stuff, and bits you find boring. The biggest difference isn’t really it being taught though, is that it’s around you, everywhere and every day.
My home city has Roman walls reinforced by Saxon kings and maintained for hundreds of years until they became pretty much pointless.
And they’re just there. Next to a 700 year old church, a 950 year old cathedral, and a pub with 600 years under its belt. History isn’t just the past it’s that it’s continuous, the people change and most forgotten, but they were there.
GrandDukeOfNowhere@reddit
America has just as much history as anywhere else, it's just for some reason you don't count the native history, imagine if every country only counted it's history as far back as the last conquest/regime change
RRC_driver@reddit
There’s a classic humorous book
1066 and all that
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_and_All_That
Which sums up the old style of British history
I would say that modern Britain loves history, judging by the amount of period dramas, archeological shows and the number of museums
StillJustJones@reddit
I live in Colchester, England’s oldest recorded city. You can’t move for history round here.
I genuinely tripped over a sodding Roman era wall on my way to work this morning.
History is not boring, but I probably take it for granted.
Ambitious-Sun-8504@reddit
I think it's a case of overexposure to the Tudors, Vikings, Norman invasion and WW1/2. Norman invasion, vikings and WW2 are absolutely ingrained into us from youth. At least in my experience. Unfortunately though, I wish people would realise there was a lot of misinformation about the Viking Age and 1066 at least when I was a kid. It's also a travesty that we aren't taught more about the atrocities of the Empire and especially the slave trade. i actually used to work for a non-profit which developed and integrated workshops into schools around the country to inform the next generation about the slave trade. I am also British-American, with an American mother so I do think I've had quite a unique experience, in that my mother taught me a LOT about American history and how to learn from it than my British family ever really taught - besides WW2 as I still had living relatives who lived or fought through it, I think also as you said there is such an enormous depth of history to look at here that there simply isn't enough time to learn about it, on top of Ancient Greece, Egypt, Rome (although this is arguably considered part of our own through Roman Britain). However I really think far less time should be spent on Tudors and Stuarts and more on slavery and the Empire as I said. It's far more important, especially now.
Sea-Claim3992@reddit
No, it should be more interesting, but I actually blame the ones teaching it that don't make it more engaging ir at least the ones above them that make the rules.
oooohshinythingy@reddit
I love old history from like BC to Henry the VIII but I find it boring after that
Prudent_Data1780@reddit
To the masses I'd say yes to the few it's so interesting and fascinating to read of our history and like others have written there so much god dam of it.
Elruoy@reddit
I'm one of those people who finds history incredibly boring. I have more of a science brain.
purplechemist@reddit
The problem is that so much of it is rammed down our throats in school and we either don’t have the time to appreciate it at our own pace or are not mature enough to recognise the wider context.
When I was in high school in the 90s the history curriculum was still very much driven by the “willy, willy, harry, steve” parade of monarchs since 1066. And the 20th century stuff which tended to grab most people.
I think we could do more to recognise the shit things we did as colonists, and the lessons we need to learn to move forward. Britain did a lot of shit things (as did others) to other nations as well as to its own people, and by not teaching it in schools we risk not actually learning lessons from history as a society. It is not “unpatriotic” to recognise your mistakes.
EUskeptik@reddit
Well said. 👍
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yes I agree! I will say, the only time in school we really learned about you guys was about the American revolution and the tea and stuff, which I will say, kinda mad. Idk why they wasted such good tea!
Low_Snow411@reddit
Did they teach you about the French involvement in the American revolution???? Without La Fayette's soldiers and the French navy the revolution would have been lost.
PenaltyNo3221@reddit
“Or we are not mature enough to recognise the wider context.” This!!
Psyk60@reddit
And we didn't even have the song back then.
EUskeptik@reddit
You don’t find it boring because it is something you don’t have as much of. The history of countries of people who emigrated to the US over the last few centuries is also your history.
Personally, I don’t take much interest in history prior to WW2. That war and what has happened since have had a colossal effect on Britain, its institutions and its people. The loss of Empire, the damage done to the fabric of Britain, the huge loss of life and the colossal debt that took so many years to pay off have together impoverished Britain and most of its people.
The rich have suffered far less, indeed many have prospered beyond their wildest dreams. Meanwhile, the poor have gotten relentlessly poorer and for many millions, the prospect of owning their own home has become an unrealisable dream. There are now around 15 million British people, around 20% of the population, living in relative poverty including 1.5 million children.
So please forgive me for taking little or no interest in my country’s history prior to the 20th century. Knowing what the Tudors and Stuarts got up to has no real bearing on my country’s current situation. I know just a few British people who are fascinated by history, and for them their interest represents escapism, a way of escaping the reality of the present.
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PresidentPopcorn@reddit
The plague, 100 years war, great fire, witch hunts, WW1, WW2, gunpowder plot, Jack the Ripper, all interesting.
Royals being wankers and birthing wanker offspring, not interesting.
Careful-Button-606@reddit
I think it’s fascinating and there’s so much of it! I love coming from somewhere ancient.
jonpenryn@reddit
not boring but there is a lot of it, i lived in an apartment in a 17 century house, own a house built in 1800, i can walk round the ruins of a monastery dissolved by Henry the eight, and find reused gargoyles in local homes. Down to the harbour once attacked by Pirates, and where the Hispaniola from The Film Treasure island was moored for some years....it goes on and on lol
Subtifuge@reddit
I think it might be more like this
We are aware we have a hugely vast history and how far back it goes, how as a nation we have been connected to far away places for thousands of years etc, and the impact we had on the world, and due to this, as we are not a new nation it is just normal to us.
Compared to America, which the modern Westernized version of has very little History being only a few hundred years old, and thus perhaps Romanticizes stuff a little? in the same way the UK would with say Egypt or Sumer, or even some Meso American / pre-Columbian cultures
osirisborn89@reddit
Our history is grim.
Jon_talbot56@reddit
There’s a lot of it l guess. I love the Tudors too, especially Elizabeth. If you are ever in London go to the National Portrait Gallery where they have a room of of Tudor portraits including figures like Burleigh, Wolsey, Francis Drake (you wouldn’t want to meet him on a dark night) and poor Lady Jane Grey- pretty girl.
TarcFalastur@reddit
Many people here love our history - though as I've seen others say, they typically find one specific period interesting and don't know that much about the others.
There are a lot of people who do indeed find history boring though. I find they generally fall into two camps:
The type who just don't find it has any impact on their lives. "Yes, OK, 500 years ago there was a King called Henry who hit married a lot. Does that help me get a job? Does it help me pay more mortgage? Does it look after my kids? No, therefore I don't care about it".
The type who are very concerned about the ethics of history. They grew up learning about it, hit the age when they became aware of mankind's need to do good by other people and realised that history is full of people exploiting other people. There's not really any points in history in which society overwhelmingly became focused on looking after the poor and on creating world peace. Therefore they find reading about history painful - it is nothing but a never ending procession of all the times we were horrible people, and consequently they want nothing to do with it.
DanversNettlefold@reddit
Yep, aside from Finest Hour/Spitfires.
f8rter@reddit
Nope
jodorthedwarf@reddit
It depends. There's so much of it that a lot of it gets glossed over. It generally goes, Roman, Anglo Saxons, Vikings, Norman conquest, the Tudors, Victorian England, ww1, ww2, and maybe a bit about the Empire (though America is only considered a fairly small part of that before we move onto place that are regarded as more significant, like India). And there's hundreds of years of history missed out between those.
But also because of the amount of history, the bits of it that are covered and often more summaries that talk about one or two major events. It's not boring by any stretch of the imagination but it's very difficult to get an idea of the entirety of the history (like you might do for American history) so people often pick a particular period and stick with that.
I personally gravitate towards the Anglo-Saxons but that's mainly because I live 15 miles from the site of the Sutton Hoo burial (one of the single most significant Anglo-Saxon sites ever found).
PsychologySpecific16@reddit
The Romans, the industrial revolution and ww2 interest me quite a bit.
Speaking of ww2, "We have ways of making you talk" is anything excellent podcast going into granular detail. Featuring a ww2 historian (James Holland)
I highly recommend it.
I find anything history when laid out like that particularly interesting to be honest. Also, debunking any common myths or accepted events that don't align with the evidence.
Things like that can pass you by unless you're actively learning about whatever period in history that is.
Hamsternoir@reddit
More recent?
WWII was a foreign war for you apart from one attack and even that wasn't mainland US.
For us it was much closer to home, literally.
We've got so much history there's plenty for everyone.
Yours is a lot more boring to me as there's so little.
Independence > civil war > WWI & II > some stuff you lost.
No-Locksmith-882@reddit
On the whole yes. However, there is a big fascination with particular parts of it. 2nd WW and Military history. (Imho) In school unless you were lucky enough to have a good teacher, history is often boring as we have a lot of history to cover. As such, much is missed, skirted over, and does not allow time to find the bit of 'Jacobian', 'Tudors and Stewarts', industrial revolution ect that you do like and find interesting.
Aggravating_Water_39@reddit
Yes I am British and I find our history boring!
Federal_Sun_2749@reddit
No, I’m obsessed. I have more favourite periods of history though. I might be an outlier but I found history great at school. My history teacher is the teacher I have remembered for life.
Robbiewan@reddit
They don’t think it’s boring because 90% don’t even know it
Robbiewan@reddit
If they did they wouldn’t be doing nazi salutes all over the place and after getting it they vans plastered with “lest we forget” stickers
Mobile_Falcon8639@reddit
I'm not sure British people find British History boring per se, but what is boring is they way its taught in schools, which when I was at school was about learning the names of Kings and queen's and dates of battles etc by rote, without any context. That puts people off history which is a shame because itsxa fascinating subject.
Delicious_Link6703@reddit
I’m fascinated by our history, including the not-so-good parts where we were the bad guys in other countries.
My special interest is the Industrial Revolution, 18/19th centuries. Inventions, innovations, scientific discovery, transport, individual people with vision and willing to take a risk.
I like castles but I love visiting the various museums developed from factories, mills, potteries, dockyards etc.
dwair@reddit
I'm very interested in it and as history goes, it's one of the most interesting, diverse and entertaining you can get I think. There is just soooo much of it to get your teath into it's quite difficult and inaccessible to get into for some. Like which bit do you choose?
It's also all around us. I have at least 4 millennias worth sitting on my door step so at times it's just background noise. Norman church? Medival castle in the background? Bronze age stone circles? WW2 era airfield? Ancient village ruins? Civil war battle feild? I see it all on the way to work. Even my house is 250 years old. History is everywhere here.
Emergency_Bridge_430@reddit
The united kingdom was formed in 1801, while the united States was formed in 1775.
However, there were people living on the British Isles before the forming of the union, which is the history you refer to.
And guess what? There were also people living in North America prior to 1775 too.
To say your history is "more recent" just means you have only studied / read about / are aware of more recent history in the Americas than you are in the British Isles.
Both land masses have human histories going back at least 30,000 years. There should be enough history on both sides of the Atlantic to keep you entertained really
Physical_Orchid3616@reddit
I can understand you SPEAKING like you do, but WRITING like that?????????? holy moly
behavedave@reddit
I have become interested in what ice ages do to the flora and fauna this far north. It'd explain why so few plant species originate this far north.
I doubt that's what you think of when you say history though.
Psittacula2@reddit
It all ties together in interesting ways which is what you describe, the long long term prehistoric influences shaping the land and fauna and flora and this reflected on historic patterns,
For example the geological strands across the UK end up paralleling different settlement patterns and thence house constructions and thence local material usage in such era from Celtic to Saxon, Viking and Norman and beyond up until transit systems such as canals and railways or bricks were generated more modern times.
All reflected due to geological patterns and equally impact on tree species and wood usage for example. Which were impacted by ice ages as you mention. Albeit your focus is more on these larger background processes eg succession after the ice ages. Which is the right approach given how much history there is, pick what is meaningful and interesting to yourself!
How about those Mountain Hares in Derbyshire just hanging on for example?
Another_Random_Chap@reddit
It gets more significant as you get older I think. When you're young it just doesn't matter, especially as there's so much of it.
My wife is American, and absolutely loves the Tudor era, reads and watches everything about it, gets questions right on quiz shows that the competitors get wrong etc. I could barely tell you anything about that time, other than the various castles and the like that we've visited that relate to it.
TomatoChomper7@reddit
I think British history gets boring a little while before cameras were invented/started being used - or about the point of American independence, actually. Older stuff, with frilly clothes and Viking invasions, that stuff is all great. But when it gets to the world wars and men in suits writing treaties, boring.
I’ll take American history in the 1800s and 1900s over British. You had settling the frontier, you had cowboys and Indians. We had basically what we have now, but with more smog and worse roads.
But yes, all of the history before they started filming and photographing it feels more interesting and exotic to me.
Barbz182@reddit
I really hate these hive mind questions. Yes we all think the exact same because we are British!
72dk72@reddit
No it's not. Though clearly there are people that have no interest in history.
Inner-Conference-644@reddit
I love our history. I am a coin-collector so the hobby & history go hand-in-hand.
TaffWaffler@reddit
If any British people are interested in British history, they probably won’t have the same interests as someone else with the same interests. There are so many facets of British history, and it’s so long and storied, we have information going back to the Celtic times, that what you have an interest in probably won’t be same as most others.
A hundred people in sweet shop are all there because they like sweets, doesn’t mean they all like what everyone else likes
joe_smooth@reddit
We don't think it's boring but we can be a bit blasé about it because really old things are all over the place. Within ten minutes of my house there is the ruins of an abby that was founded in 1121, a well that was visited by pilgrims since at least the 1100s and an island where there was a famous duel in 1163. Our country is littered with really old stuff.
smiffer67@reddit
I'm the same town I'm from has Antonines wall running through it with a Roman fort. Has a few first for Scotland there too. There's a huge amount of history there and most don't really care about it as it's always there but a lot has been erased in the name of progress.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Omg that’s SOO cool!
michaelwnkr@reddit
Not at all. It’s fascinating. And so much of the modern world arises from British history.
Shrouded_Analyst@reddit
Not at all. Britain has been many things at many times and its history reflects that. We’ve had the wolf at the door, been the wolf, and everything in between.
MattheqAC@reddit
It's often not taught in a very engaging way. I never really took to it in school
AccountFar86@reddit
This is a longstanding issue.
April 1786, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson visited Fort Royal Hill at the Civil War battlefield at Worcester. John Adams wrote that he was "deeply moved" but disappointed at the locals' lack of knowledge of the battle, and gave the townspeople an "impromptu lecture",
Low_Snow411@reddit
Hardly surprising that the locals knew little of the battle. The Civil War ended over 130 years before, most of the locals would have been illiterate and had no c Dchooling
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Omg really I had no idea about this
Fridarey@reddit
Not if you're interested in the past and how we got here.
TwpMun@reddit
I find the whole Royalty aspect boring, I am very interested in ancient British history though.
AmericanHistoryXX@reddit
You realize that American history begins at the very beginning of the Stuart era, right?
8Ace8Ace@reddit
Not to me
Annual-Cookie1866@reddit
Course not. It’s fascinating.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much! I know right
MerlinOfRed@reddit
Realistically it's your history too, at least up until the 17th century.
I know it isn't taught that way in America, but seeing as you're an offshoot of British civilisation, all the events that made Britain what it was in the 18th century also contributed to making America what it was.
It's like us learning about the evolution of the Roman Empire. We were just one Roman colony at the edge of the empire but the history of Rome (and Greece) shaped our civilisation too.
I was explaining the impact of the Norman invasion on the English language to an American friend once and she was like "why don't we learn any of this, it's our language too?!". The values and attitudes formed during the English civil war directly inspired the American war of independence 100 years later. The branch of Protestantism that evolved in Renaissance England and Scotland still very much influences American politics today (more so than it does here).
You say that your history is short compared to ours, but in reality it's the same history, you just don't learn it!
WeeklySyllabub6148@reddit
Try reading the series of Shardlake novels by CJ Sansom. They are fiction, but the novels incorporate actual significant events and real people in Henry VIII's reign from a brilliantly observed, almost eye-witness perspective. They are also superbly well-told stories that evoke the period really well.
GreatBigBagOfNope@reddit
I absolutely fucking despise the version of British history that used to be taught back in the day which essentially starts with 1066 (or Alfred if you're lucky) and then just goes through monarchs and battles. Kings and generals are a lens through which to view history, but it also means that really important parts of peoples' history, everything from enclosure to the realities of the Luddites to Peel to press-ganging to the economic realities of the working class in the imperial core to the cultural artefacts of the common folk and so on gets relegated to background information at best.
Sure, kings and generals are interesting, but they aren't interesting enough to justify dominating a history curriculum at the expense of almost everything else.
Live-Doctor-4188@reddit
A lot of people in general find history boring.
Specific-Order-6051@reddit
As a Brit, I LOVE our history. There is so much of it and it's fascinating. There are hints of our history everywhere too, old houses, railroads, castles etc. but then I love history in general so I may be biased.
sbaldrick33@reddit
Not to me, although a depressingly large number of people probably couldn't tell you much about it besides Henry VIII's first four wives, something about the Victorians and the blitz.
LensmanUK@reddit
No, not at all. I think you need to look no further than the stupidity of university curricula to see where the problem lies.
AfraidOstrich9539@reddit
You're country has a rich vein of history but you are only interested in it after the white Europeans settled it seems 🤷♂️
AnneKnightley@reddit
Really depends on the individual, I’m very interested in various eras, definitely big on Tudor and how life was for people then. I love learning about female historical people for example. I’m less interested in military history or strategy though.
7hats@reddit
Look up William Marshall, 'England's Greatest Knight'.
His story - of which a lot is known about - spanned the reign of 5 English Kings, and he played a seminal role in the establishment of the Magna Carta.
Lots of historic locations around England and the Continent where he left his mark, that you can explore.
Some great books and online resources too...
InfluenceAromatic293@reddit
Yes, as a 50 year old I find the Tudors and Stewarts etc etc just as borng as I did when I had to go through it in history lessons at school. More recent history I find interesting.
maceion@reddit
'British History' at my family level is not boring , but a mass of folk 'on the make' including operating the biggest slave market in Europe for a century or two (Slave market was in Dublin, operated by Norse extract folk). My family had been slaves for about 200 years in the preceding centuries. Then rose up and became mariners and traders (slaves were just one class of goods to them). Eventually some went as mercenaries to other lands and were paid in gold , so later came home to buy land and settle.
OllyDee@reddit
Absolutely not. You’ve got 2000+ years of history to pick and choose from so there’s plenty to interest everyone provided you’ve got at least a basic interest in history. The mystery of the Bronze Age, Britons vs Romans, post-Romans vs Anglo-Saxons, The Heptarchy, Vikings, more Vikings, Normans…
Tudors are boring as fuck though, I will concede that point.
Wild_Wolverine9526@reddit
I don’t think it’s an issue of boring or exciting. I personally think you have people who are into history, and those who are not.
mr-dirtybassist@reddit
Nope. I love it!
sjplep@reddit
British history is fascinating to a lot of British people, but some people tend to focus on the bits they are most interested in (the World Wars, the Tudors, Roman Britain, the Vikings etc are all popular among different sections).
But historical TV series - both fictional and non-fictional - tend to be very popular. E.g. the series 'Time Team' which was basically about archaeological digs and presented by Tony Robinson (Baldrick of Blackadder) was very popular for a long time, running for 20 years.
Englishbirdy@reddit
No. It’s fascinating.
Fit-Fault338@reddit
No I don’t think it is.I did a degree in History, but really I love all History.
WashEcstatic6831@reddit
The history here is so fascinating I moved from Canada to study it and be surrounded by it! Funny enough I find the Tudor period totally overdone and boring, whereas the Neolithic/Bronze Age, Early Historic period, (previously "Dark Ages"), Viking invasions, and the transformation of communities and landscapes in the 18th-19th centuries fascinate me endlessly. The fact that within an hour's drive of my home I can visit a Roman fort, multiple standing stones and cairns, medieval harbours, Iron Age hillforts, castles, and cleared settlements means I never stop exploring.
beeurd@reddit
No, I wouldn't say people find it boring (well I'm sure some do), but there is just so much of it that interest is spread out and diluted across the eras.
Throughout school we covered topics spread over like 6,000 years - some eras get more attention than others of course, but it'd be literally impossible to cover everything.
terryjuicelawson@reddit
I think schoolkids find stuff boring as it is a bit of a blur. So many Kings and Queens with similar names. Henry this, James the whatever. Probably school memories of being dragged around boring country manors and derelict castles, battle sites, dusty museums and all the rest. Hundreds of years of it. I think kids find eras like the Romans and Vikings more interesting. We don't do enough 20th century history tbh.
Forest_Ancestor_7@reddit
I love our history! It’s fascinating.
InsaneInTheCrane79@reddit
As a History teacher I would say no, but I find it frustrating how much of the curriculum is whitewashed and/or sanitised.
EitherChannel4874@reddit
I find it all fascinating.
We have a lot of really old historic buildings across the UK as a constant reminder of our long history.
The house I live in is around 120 years old having been built in victorian times and I've done a lot of research on the area of London I'm from and love seeing old photos of it.
oitekno23@reddit
Personally i always found it very boring, and find 'spanish' history far far more interesting...specifically el andalus, and the spanish revoloution, including everything that led up to it (so late 19th century, until 1939)
Historical_Pin2806@reddit
I don't think it's boring but they're not my favourite periods of history, I have to say.
VisenyaRose@reddit
Not really, there is a lot of it. I wish they did more with Pre-Norman history
Wrong_Duty7043@reddit
I think you would enjoy watching “Horrible Histories” show. We have much more history than just the Tudors
aGuyThatLikesGuys@reddit
Not at all. I love our history. I sometimes wonder what the world would look like now, without Great Britain.
DropDeadDigsy@reddit
I absolutely loved history in school and studying WW1 and WW2 I was obsessed. Continued to be interested in History as I got older and there’s an awful lot of British history that conveniently gets left out ….
Shawn_The_Sheep777@reddit
If you’re bored with British history then you just don’t like history
Apprehensive_Guest59@reddit
I think this is true of everywhere... Ie swap British for... Croatian.
freebiscuit2002@reddit
Ask any 65+ million people what's boring and what isn't. I'm sure they'll all have the exact same opinion 🤣
FrauAmarylis@reddit
Oh, is that s lot of people these days?
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
That is true lol
Sxn747Strangers@reddit
It's not boring but it's boring to some people, and anything about the Tudors normally invokes anti talk about Henry VIII and the monarchy, so we tend not to go there.
da316@reddit
in school: mind numbingly boring.
as an adult: endlessly fascinating.
MiddleAgeCool@reddit
There is so much I find large chunks of it boring as hell. Where I live had the ruins of industry dating back to Stephenson's Rocket train and I love that with a sprinkle of the Northern England conquests of the Romans, the Danes and the Scottish.
I have almost no interest in the whole Royal history thing.
monkeyjuggler@reddit
From my experience, a lot of people only have a passing interest in history. It's not that they're not interested in British history specifically.
Orange_Codex@reddit
Not even remotely. However, our school curriculum has a knack for making it boring.
winobeaver@reddit
if you want to criticise the school curriculum, try learning French on Duolingo. Guaranteed you'll be at GCSE level within a couple of months (rather than five years).
I'm seeing it with my kid at the moment too. He's only 5 (almost 6), but he can read and write. He cracked it last year. But I know full well that they're gonna spend years and years teaching the kids how to read and giving them spelling tests like 'cap', 'mat', 'dog'.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Ohhh I see thank you so much
Broad-Raspberry1805@reddit
Not boring it’s just all around so you get used to it, you don’t have to fly across an ocean to see a castle as there’s at least one within about 20 miles of everywhere in the country.
Familiar-Donut1986@reddit
I'm sure some people find it boring but I find it fascinating. I think an important point to make though is that we are taught far less of our history in school than you are of yours in the US. We have such a long history that you can't conceivably study it all, so we tend to just cover odd periods and not in great detail. For example, I remember studying the Tudors and Victorians in primary school (so before the age of 11), but never studied the Tudors again despite studying history up to A Level. Then I studied the Norman Conquest and the feudal system at about 12, the industrial revolution at about 13 and again at 17, WW1 at about 14, WW2 repeatedly, the Cold War at 15/16 and that was about it for history directly involving the UK - the rest was world history (as of course is some of what I've mentioned). That means there are an awful lot of Brits with very limited knowledge of British history. I have reasonably good knowledge, but that's largely from my own reading rather than what I was taught in school.
Paulstan67@reddit
It's not boring, it's just that we have so much of it!
poppyedwardsPE@reddit
Ever since watching Horrible Histories as a kid I've absolutely loved history, so I might be a little biased, but I absolutely love it! I studied the Stuarts at A Level and also love that period of time!! There's always something new that we can learn. It also definitely helps that we still have a lot of the places we learn about to visit, like the tower of london, or stately homes.
Caveman1214@reddit
I’m Northern Irish, had to learn about Elizabeth the first for A Level history and American presidents in my 2nd year. Genuinely checked out, could not physically focus or remember anything I just had absolutely no interest and likely would’ve severely impacted my grades had Covid not came along
LouisaB75@reddit
I love Tudor and Stuart periods when it comes to our history, but I think that is because I choose to read about those eras. The civil war and restoration I find particularly interesting.
Unlike at school where we had more recent history taught which was interesting at first but after months of going over it again and again for exams it became less interesting and put me off reading about those periods ever again.
Thatchers-Gold@reddit
I definitely took it for granted, as a young person you don’t really have all the tools to appreciate it or put it into perspective.
It’s funny looking back at my young self, rolling my eyes when the subject matter was like:
Epic galleon battle
Literally Game Of Thrones
How they used to put castles under siege
Vikings
Roman Legions
SuburbanBushwacker@reddit
the problem is they way it’s taught and the narrow focus. tudors, ww2, and if your school is ultra progressive Mary Seacol. we could do so much better
sossighead@reddit
It is to some and it isn’t to others.
Some thoughts:
British history covers a relatively long period as modern nations / collections of nations go. Where to start can be daunting I suppose.
The way it’s taught in our schools can often feel dry and uninspiring.
For a few decades there’s been an establishment position that British history = bad and that may have seeped through into attitudes to actually engaging with and learning about it.
Huge amounts of time in state schools are devoted to learning about major international events of the (relatively) recent past - notably the world wars, interwar Germany, Soviet Union, even the American civil rights movement. All great topics but barely scratch the surface of British history. I recall primary school being more interesting and focusing on all sorts of things from the Roman occupation of Britain onwards, but the depth there is quite superficial.
It feels like most average British adults are struggling to get by and make ends meet at the moment with our cost of living crisis. I’m trying to think how many average working parents actually have an hour spare at the end of the day to sit, breathe and read a history book.
OmniWise@reddit
I've got a shelf full of books, from the War of the Roses to the Tudors to Oliver Cromwell. But then history is my favourite subject.
Naughtyspider@reddit
Horrible histories is perhaps one of the most entertaining programmes I watch. And I’m 48!
Evening-Cold-4547@reddit
British history 2000 years of the worst and most incompetent people imaginable fucking things up for everyone else and sometimes there's an engineer or a scientist. It's many things but it's not boring.
testdasi@reddit
Boring or not is dependent on interest.
Something you are interested in: you over analyse every photo of Queen Elizabeth on her coronation to compare vs Queen Victoria.
Something you are not interested in: what did Abraham Lincoln do?
Extreme examples but hope it gets the point across.
G30fff@reddit
Not in the slightest!
surfinbear1990@reddit
A lot of people confuse English history with British History.
Major-Pi@reddit
No I love it, but. My interest is more from the borders / northern England as it is there I am from..
Digidigdig@reddit
Hey, not personally but it certainly depends on who’s telling it. Get yourself over to /r/BritishHistoryPod Jamie is currently discussing King Rufus’s reign.
Thirst_Trap_Queen@reddit
Why would we?
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Because I know like personally for me, American history is boring, but I was wondering if since you guys have grown up over there, if it seems boring to you
Breakwaterbot@reddit
Well that's not surprising considering the whole of America's history is like current affairs to us.
johnnycarrotheid@reddit
Felt like that with "British" History tbh, with being in Scotland.
300 years of being British, but we have a Roman Wall going through our town. Plus a few highlights Wars of Independence times, locally it goes a long way back
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yea!
Reynard_de_Malperdy@reddit
No we just appreciate plausible deniability when travelling
WeRW2020@reddit
I find parts of it interesting, but it can be overwhelming and sometimes difficult to understand. I find Victorian era onwards to be easier to get my head around.
Infamous-Sherbert-32@reddit
I find our history endlessly fascinating. I love the fact that I can be driving down a country road, in the middle of nowhere, and there will be a sign at the side of the road pointing to a battlefield from hundreds of years ago that I can go and walk around. My own favourite period is the Wars of the Roses, or the Cousins War as it used to be known.
Infamous-Sherbert-32@reddit
I find our history endlessly fascinating. I love the fact that I can be driving down a country road, in the middle of nowhere, and there will be a sign at the side of the road pointing to a battlefield from hundreds of years ago that I can go and walk around. My own favourite period is the Wars of the Roses, or the Cousins War as it used to be known.
WhoLets1968@reddit
Not boring but there are large parts of British history that isn't taught or shown much on TV
Like the starvation of the Irish in the 1840 which led to millions fleeing, which is why you find the Irish everywhere these days...it's population has never recovered, some 180 yrs later
What we did in south Africa....India...the colonials
So while the kings and queens bit are interesting, which illustrates why we are still linked to the monarchy and we think someone with a posh voice who can spout Latin is out superior (but actually isn't)
And some will argue Britain gave a lot to the world, we also pillage a lot of resources which is why for a small island nation, we punched way above what we ought to have
Twas our naval might that have her this advantage
Delicious-Cut-7911@reddit
I love social history. I am not a fan of learning about the dates of battles. I'm more interested in how they lived, what the wore and ate. This kind of history is far from boring.
LloydCole@reddit
I find the Tudor period boring af.
The most exciting period of British history by far is the Napoleonic Age. Being the puppet master in a continent wide struggle against one of the greatest military genius in history under the guise of being anti-bloodthirsty conquest, conquering the hinterlands of India in what definitely isn't bloodthirsty conquest, taking on the newly formed USA, colonising Australia, and undergoing the greatest economic and technological revolutionary in human history all at the same time.
It's close enough to us that at times it can feel within touching distance with its recognisable city names, landmarks, modern institutions and vast documentation; but far enough away it can feel like another world with its Emperors on horseback conquering the world and ships sailing to the ends of the earth.
Henry 8th being a fat cunt having a tiff with the pope doesn't compare.
MovingTarget2112@reddit
I actually know more about the American Civil war than the War of Three Kingdoms.
These days I lean into Irish history (which is usually English history too).
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yes! I actually have family in Ireland so I also like learning about Irish history!
MovingTarget2112@reddit
It’s bloody and usually England’s fault (Tudor conquest, Cromwellian conquest, Famine etc. )
DiligentCockroach700@reddit
When I was at school, history was taught in a very dry, boring way. Having to memorise dates and stuff. Having now seen many documentaries and read books, it's actually fascinating and the political intrigue and dirty dealing that happened then is still going on today.
Realistic-River-1941@reddit
I think broadly speaking most people are interested in history in some form. Museums, castles etc are usually busy with visitors, and bookshops are full of history books (there are even some which aren't about WWII).
InanimateAutomaton@reddit
When I was at school I thought it was vs Ancient Rome/Greece/Egypt but as I’ve gotten older I’ve found it equally if not more interesting
Dark_Foggy_Evenings@reddit
The only boring history is taught by boring teachers. One of my history teachers taught us about jousting and Henry VIII’s accident by getting us outside onto the playing field and having volunteers carry out live demonstrations on bicycles with mops.
ejdinallo@reddit
I found most of it boring in school but after leaving and being free to look it up and cross-reference things myself it became a lot more interesting. UK Schools tend to water it down a lot and filter things out depending on who is currently leading the country and in charge of education. Or at least they did when I was in school.
Hashtagbarkeep@reddit
There’s lots of it. We were basically awful to everyone for a very long time so that’s not super fun to learn about but important to know the past.
Artistic_Plastic_712@reddit
I like history in general, but I’m less interested in pre-17th century British history as it doesn’t quite compare to countries with extremely long and rich medieval and ancient histories for me (Italy, Greece, India, China etc.).
However, I think 17th century onwards and the history of the British empire in particular is absolutely fascinating, as it moves so far beyond just the British isles and is a major part of world history as a whole.
PixelTeapot@reddit
No but there is a lot of it to try to keep abreast of.
That_Northern_bloke@reddit
History is fascinating, whatever the subject, it always presents the chance to learn something. Our history is varied and complex, for many reasons, which makes it all the kore important that we learn about and from it
Razhbad@reddit
No? It's incredibly detailed with lots of major events.
However, it is feeat to learn other nations histories, especially as we hear about them less.
Go1gotha@reddit
I had an inspirational history teacher who gave us the unvarnished truth about the history of both Britain and Scotland (Where I'm from). He would fulfil the national curriculum and then go off on historical tangents, giving far more context to events that he thought we should know. It made a lasting impression, and although I went into the science field, I still studied history to A-Level. I love history.
Thank you, Mr Fraser, wherever you are!
NinjaTigerB@reddit
I find European and American history more interesting.
maruiki@reddit
it's absolutely not boring! but it's quite extensive, so people tend to focus. I love a bit of dark/middle ages myself, so I don't know a whole lot about the other time periods tbh
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
I also like those too
ComprehensiveAd8815@reddit
I love history, Tudors and Stuart are done to death today… you should check out “The Anarchy” period, it’s an absolute soap opera of history, so much went down, it’s fascinating!
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Oooh I definitely will!
ChiSandTwitch1@reddit
I personally hated learning about King's and Queens, and the landed gentry. Rich people inheriting wealth and power is bullshit, and most of them were awful. The problem is that that's what's taught a lot if the time.
Britain has a fascinating history, a lot of it is awful, true, but it's fascinating nonetheless. But what I wanted to learn about was what it was like in the 1200s with the Knights and crusades, in the 1600s for the poor and needy, in the 1800s in the workhouses and during the gin craze. I just got bored of Kings and Queens, but I admit that might be a personal thing because I'm heavily anti-royalty (obviously. Because I'm not insane)
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Ooh I will say, I like learning about the normal and like everyday people
ChiSandTwitch1@reddit
Exactly. Imagine if all we learned about this current era was what the millionaires and celebrities did. How fucking dull and unrepresentative would that be?
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
I understand
Prestigious_Grade640@reddit
our schools generally tricked us into thinking history is boring
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Oh really
CoolJetReuben@reddit
If you're properly British only the Naval History remotely interests you.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Oooh I gotta learn more about the Naval history
navelfluff86@reddit
How can something that includes someone called Thomas Crapper be boring?
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
EXACTLY
edison9696@reddit
I'm reminded of the saying that Americans think 100 years is a long time and Brits think 100 miles is a long way :-)
I imagine many British people's views of their own history are shaped by which particular periods of history they were exposed to during school history lessons and the associated monarchs of the time.
Some periods seem to carry more weight and are probably more interesting/notable, like the Norman conquest; early Medieval period; Tudors (especially Henry the 8th and Elizabeth); the Industrial Revolution leading to the Victorian era and Empire and then World War 1 and 2 in the 20th century.
For a relatively small country we've had a large amount of interesting and influential history.
Also, I get the impression that British students are exposed to more history from other parts of the world compared to Americans. Do you agree? We learn a lot at school about Ancient Egypt, the Roman Empire and the Vikings for example.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yess I agree
iamabigtree@reddit
What sequence of ideas led you to pose your question in this way?
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
I was thinking, because you guys live there and grew up hearing about it, I was thinking, it probably seems boring to you, but for someone who doesn’t live there and didn’t grow up hearing about it, it’s interesting to me
iamabigtree@reddit
Got you!
No not boring at all. Sure there are parts that are more interesting than others, but it is all rather fascinating. Also I love a good castle and we have plenty of them around here too.
Mind you if you are talking history I would say at least in the North East of England then its the Romans who generate the most interest.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Like, I absolutely wanna go to Chepstow Castle one day!
iamabigtree@reddit
It also true that we are just used to history being all around us. Eg every day including today I walk on a railway embankment that is the same age as the United States, and that isn't at all unusual or remarkable.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
I think that’s actually really cool
Commercial-Pear-543@reddit
No, I find it super interesting!
But tbh all history is interesting. I went feral for it in school - learning about the ancient Egyptians, all our Kings and Queens, Roman history, more recent history. I kinda wish we did more of it.
And then getting to read up on any place I want now - it’s a bit of a whirlpool. I’m assuming I’m just really nosy but it’s ace.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yess same here
No-Movie-1604@reddit
Honestly, yeah parts of it are boring lol
But I live near 5 massive castles and I find the history of them super interesting. I also live near an old abbey and they recently found a tunnel going into the hills, so i find the dissolution of the monasteries interesting as well.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Omg that’s SOO cool
hime-633@reddit
This is a delightfully sweet question.
People who find history boring will find it boring.
Those people aside, no!
Come, come, and help us explore our ridiculous history.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yess! I wanna go so bad and just nerd out!
mediadavid@reddit
people often only engage with it in school - and in school it's usually a random selection of snapshots removed from context (along with a surprising amount of American history) so I suspect that a sizeable amount of people think it's boring and confusing.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Oh really? You guys learn about American history as well?
mediadavid@reddit
Slavery/ MLK and the civil rights movement will often get a big focus
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Oh! I didn’t know that!
minadequate@reddit
Maybe it’s just culture, we aren’t especially interested in dead kings and queens of England tbh. I studied history for a fairly long time compared with the average Brit but certainly that would have been one of the areas I’m not that interested in. As a juxtaposition there are lots of periods of history both at home and abroad I’d find really interesting to know more about… we did a lot on the socialist reformers, the beginnings of the nhs, the situations that gave rise to various political movements etc…which was a relief in comparisons to learning about kings and queens. There is certainly indigenous history of the North America deserves more exploration for me, but then I guess I find relevance in history where you can follow links through to the political, social and economic climate of today.. and the tudors aren’t really that interesting or relevant.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
That is true! I am also interested in indigenous American history!
Karcossa@reddit
Not at all; I think there are parts that are far less interesting to people, though (my preference of Neolithic, bronze and dark age era in Britain would bore the piss out of those who prefer the civil war era).
Conversely, I’m less interested in late 1800’s Britain than I am in late 1800’s US because I’ve a fascination with post civil war America and the west.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Oooh! I like that!
sock_cooker@reddit
Not boring, but a lot of British people really dislike parts of our history that paint us in a less than favourable light, eg our involvement in the slave trade and our treatment of the colonies
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Ohhh yea I see!
RockSignificant@reddit
For me, history (of all kinds) has become more interesting as I've got older. I think you form a better appreciation for it as you slowly begin to realise your own mortality.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yes I agree!
movienerd7042@reddit
Not to me, but I’m a big History nerd overall
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yess same here!
No_Potato_4341@reddit
Of course not
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much
Apsalar28@reddit
There are some bits that are boring, but we have enough of it that you can skip over a couple of 100 years of 'then king Etherlbert the 50th had a falling out with Baron Bigwig over taxes and failed to invade Scotland followed by Ethelbert the 51st doing pretty much the same thing' and skip to the really interest bits without anyone noticing the gaps.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
That’s true! Thank you so much
-the-monkey-man-@reddit
British is so good. It’s entertaining, riveting, surprising, and just cool.
There’s something in our history that will entertain all. My girlfriend loves medieval women and how they lived, for example.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yess I agree! Thank you so much
random86432@reddit
It'd still be your history too if you'd paid for your tea!
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
I am still mad about that! That was such a waste of good tea!
DrDaxon@reddit
I mean, some of it is.
Personally I do find the Tudors a bit dull compared to some other parts of our history.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
That’s ok! Thank you so much
SoggyWotsits@reddit
Some is, some isn’t. It depends on the individual and what they enjoy learning about!
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much!
Paolosmiteo@reddit
No. We’re lucky to have a rich and fascinating history in the UK and I love reading about it. I particularly like the medieval period post the Dark Ages.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Yess same here!
Haggis161@reddit
No, not really.
freshmaggots@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much
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