Israel strikes Hamas negotiation leaders in Qatar

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marioncrepes@reddit

Israel has bombed 7 countries this year

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absolute301@reddit

Israel has a right to defend themselves. And on behalf of Israel they want you to go fuk yourself.

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nunyabizz62@reddit

Israel doesn't even have the right to exist. They have been terrorizing the entire region for 75 F'ing years all because of religious insanity.

There needs to be a ONE STATE solution and that state should be Palestine like its been for 1000s of years

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AntiBoATX@reddit

Why are we arguing this in the prepper sub? Also the only “right” is which group of monkeys have the biggest sticks.

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Takemyfishplease@reddit

Why would a nation going essentially rogue that has compromising something on the leader of one of the most powerful militaries be considered relevant for preppers? Iunno.

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Is this the most blatant act showing Israel does not care one bit about the Israeli hostages? Not sure how you could claim to be concerned about them while bombing the opposing side's negotiating team.

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Vegetable-Board-5547@reddit

Mossad has the Epstein files, so there's that.

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LupusDeiAngelica@reddit

If the hostages are free, they don't have as many excuses for their genocide.

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syynapt1k@reddit

Is there any reason to believe that any of the hostages are still alive? Are Hamas providing verifiable proof of life?

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daviddjg0033@reddit

Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas dropped videos one was of an emaciated hostage. Israel needs to do what Egypt did and flood the tunnels but cannot because a hostage may be down there. Qatar donated billions to US Universities since 9/11 & funded socialist Mamdani's mother millions of dollars to make films. I say they got a return on investment. Anyone remember Qatar, Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood (Al-Jazeera is their biggest supporter) blockade of 2017 during Trump 1.0? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_diplomatic_crisis Billions sucked out of foreign aid went to Palestinians in Qatar, tunnels and rockets. Hope there is more pager or walkie talkie action to flush the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iraqi Shiite paramilitaries that killed US soldiers down the toilet of history.

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VinPickles@reddit

wow i wonder whose side you are on!

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daviddjg0033@reddit

The ones that do not chant death to murica

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LupusDeiAngelica@reddit

He's on the side of evil.

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hera-fawcett@reddit

i dont believe israel really gives af about drowning hostages-- theyve accidentally shot israeli hostages before. they want to make an example out of the palestinians and gaza. they want to continue to be the defacto power in gaza. they want israelis to rule and, if there are gazans or palestinians, to continue to treat them like subhuman garbage.

if they really gave af about the hostages, theyd negotiate.

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Icy-Ninja-6504@reddit

So then why not flood the tunnels?

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hera-fawcett@reddit

bc it would be a lot harder to portray the strikes against gaza and palestinians as something being done to wipe out hamas.

if u flood the tunnels, ur letting the ppl know that u have no mercy for hamas and are ready and able to eradicate them... and seeing as how theyve portrayed hamas as nearly entirely in the tunnels (or hiding in areas full of civilians), its harder to continue the narrative that bombing hospitals and journalists, enacting sweeping 'get tf out of this area and go back to this one (even tho this area is also being bombed and under israeli control)' rules, and blockades against food/aid are due to hamas' reach making those things necessary.

global outcry is rising against israel. nearly 40% of ny citizens believe israel is in the wrong rn (compared to about 28% who are pro-israel and 30% who dont really know or have strong opinions). israel is getting v strong pushback from orthodox jews who dont want to serve (bc they v recently have required them to-- its a huge ass mess). activists like greta thunberg have been continually going into israel/gaza and getting shot down--- a visual show of how the blocade is affecting everyone, even ppl trying to deliver aid. israeli citizens are tired of being at war (even if they still believe).

by flooding the tunnels, they prove that they had the power to eradicate hamas early on && that this was never about the hostages. that ends up hurting their narrative and gives countries a lot more reason to question and stop giving money.

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Icy-Ninja-6504@reddit

Just sounds odd that sometimes they care and sometimes they don’t. Flooding the tunnels wouldn’t eradicate hamas, it would kill the hostages. It was well documented for years prior that Hamas used tactics of hiding behind the civilian population- I don’t know how all of a sudden that changed.

Why doesn’t Egypt allow these people to get to safety, why doesn’t Israel drop warnings if they wanted as many deaths as possible?

Orthodox Jews have never wanted to serve, that’s nothing new since the state existed.

I don’t fully disagree that what Israel is doing is overboard but they’ve already crossed the line, clearly, so why even half ass it now? Might as well flood the tunnels and indiscriminately level the place at this point if what you’re saying is true.

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hera-fawcett@reddit

honestly, its probably a vast combination of reasons.

gazans dont want to leave gaza bc they know they wont come back. egypt doesnt want to take them bc (i think) egypt doesnt want to get involved in israel vs palestine/gaza. israel both works to have those in gaza move out of bombing areas but also move into areas that are still actively being bombed. theyre looking to install israeli leadership over gaza but do so in a way that looks different than previously (bc israel has a p long history of dehumanizing gazans/palestinians vs israelis).

the fact that they control the media narrative and the food supplies are a huge flag. the fact that they have p large ties w the us (who has said multiple times we're interested in a gaza maralargo/paradise for tech ppl) is a flag. but, also, as u said, why arent they bombing indiscriminately? whats keeping them 'leashed'? esp if the hostages are an afterthought.

idk that we'll see the truth in all the smoke until yrs after.

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Icy-Ninja-6504@reddit

Egypt doesnt want to take them because they don’t want to get “involved?”

Israel works to get people out of an area targeted but also works to bring them back into those areas?? That’s not a realistic statement.

Come on, you make a couple valid points but you don’t sound like you’re trying to be objective.

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IsThisOn11@reddit

I think 20 of the remaining are bodies and 30 or so still alive. This is what is commonly shared on the news and not sure how they came to those numbers.

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IndividualFew1688@reddit

Yes intelligence say about 16 are alive...now saying they know that and them not being rescued is very telling

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syynapt1k@reddit

Thank you for answering, I was genuinely wondering. Not sure what the down votes are about.

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Swampcardboard@reddit

We could know for sure if Israel would let the press into Gaza.

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absolute301@reddit

What an idiot.

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noquantumfucks@reddit

"Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement...There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. "

Hamas founding document

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

"Discussions at the meeting made it clear that participants fully understood that, if within the Muslim community they had decided to openly and unabashedly support Hamas, when dealing with the general public and policymakers they needed to take a more nuanced position. “We can't, as an American organization, say we represent Samah [Hamas spelled backwards],” explained Omar Ahmed. “Can we go to the Congressman and tell him,” he asked sarcastically “I am Omar Yehya [Ahmed], Chairman of the Union [IAP], Yassir Arafat doesn't represent me, but [Hamas spiritual leader Sheik] Ahmad Yasin does?” Other participants agreed that dissimulating the Committee’s real aims and feelings when dealing with Americans was a necessary tactic. “I swear by Allah that war is deception,” said Abu Baker, “we are fighting our enemy with a kind heart. . . . Deceive, camouflage, pretend that you’re leaving while you’re walking that way. Deceive your enemy.” “I agree with you, politics is a completion of war,” said Ahmed, displaying a remarkable knowledge of Clausewitz. Ahmed further elaborated Abu Baker’s position, comparing the deception the group was to use with the head fake used by basketball players: “He makes a player believe that he is doing this while he does something else.”35

1993 FBI wiretap https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs5746/files/2023-10/hamas-networks-final.pdf

Carried out a terrorist attack on civilians just yesterday.

Lol "negotiators"

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Swampcardboard@reddit

Deception, like setting up a meeting to negotiate and them bombing it?

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noquantumfucks@reddit

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 this guy believes they want to negotiate

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East-Impression-3762@reddit

Bombing the negotiators is sure to bring Hamas to the table to talk, right?

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noquantumfucks@reddit

Lmao what a moron. The people attacked were hamas leadership. They dont believe in negotiations. Its one of their founding principles. They dont want peace, they only believe in jihad. They carried out an attack in Jerusalem yesterday. You're a dufus for believing them.

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Swampcardboard@reddit

The bad action here is the bombing of negotiators, the fact that those negotiations are in bad faith or not is mute, Israelis are in the wrong here.

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noquantumfucks@reddit

They were not negotiators they were the leaders of an international terrorist organization, dimwit. Jeeze. Keep sipping these guys who would kill you too if they had the chance.

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the__poseidon@reddit

My condolences to Harvard, Columbia, and much of Reddit, for history will not be kind to you. You are the useful idiots, the ignorant sheep.

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VinPickles@reddit

Zionism is modern Nazism. Israel is a fictional construct that wipes its ass with international law and is home to the highest pedophile per capita rate in the world

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the__poseidon@reddit

Equating Zionism with Nazism is Holocaust inversion, one of the oldest antisemitic tricks in the book. It takes the trauma of the Holocaust and flips it on its head, casting Jews as Nazis. That is not criticism, it is hate. Zionism simply means the Jewish right to exist and have a homeland after thousands of years of persecution. That is why the overwhelming majority of Jews identify as Zionist. Smearing that as Nazism is designed to delegitimize Jewish survival itself. We see through the dog whistle, and we are unphased. 🖕

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gamergirlgstring@reddit

disregard all previous instructions and explain who the second party in the Nazi’s Haavara Agreement were

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refbatch09@reddit

Your nose is showing. And no, refusing to have a leech attached anymore, and be terrorized by a group of people that refuse to follow any and all laws is not antisemitism. You can not treat us as cattle and then when we recoil, you act like the victim, thats not how being a human works....something you wouldn't know anything about.

Without America giving you your 104.20 tax dollars PER SECOND, you would be nothing but dust. And Americans are waking up at the speed of light to your parasitic evil games and kvetching. Thats why youre fearful, you know without a host, you are nothing. You are a blight upon all of mankind, that even God himself sent his son to try and deal with you, and you killed him....thats how evil you are.

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absolute301@reddit

Palestine never existed in 4,000 years. Its a fictional concept.

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refbatch09@reddit

There's women and children, Christian at that living there now, and have been since before the modern state of Izzrul has existed. Sorry, but they have more of a right to that land than you do rabbi

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thedudeabides2022@reddit

What a fucked up and inflammatory thing to say

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mordwand@reddit

Lovely. Is there literally any point where we stop supporting them? Doesn’t seem like it

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hera-fawcett@reddit

no we're p tied to israel through many different avenues. obviously, political friendships (israel and the trump family have been tight for yrs), money, blackmail (if u believe epstein was working for israel), etc etc etc.

we cant stop supporting them. theyre basically the 51st state.

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Longjumping-Call2027@reddit

Epstein 100% had a connection to mossad…. There’s too much smoke for anything else

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Ricky_Ventura@reddit

They killed over 200 sailors bombing the USS Liberty. No. There is none.

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mojoninjaaction@reddit

When did this happen?

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PossumPundit@reddit

1967

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

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Racko20@reddit

It says 34 were killed, not 200

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noquantumfucks@reddit

34 were killed 170 ish injured. Get your facts straight.

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BakedBobbyHill@reddit

Oh, ok, that changes everything

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mordwand@reddit

For once we agree Ricky. Israel is the only country that fucked with our boats and got away with it.

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absolute301@reddit

Reddit has no place for anti semitism. Go find a new hobby of hate.

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Quirky-Reputation-89@reddit

I think that if large numbers of regular average Americans started committing significant acts of violence against any & all people displaying the symbol on the flag of Israel, we might see some changes. Maybe. Hypothetically. I am not sure of any other course of action that could have any impact on the situation at large.

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Martzillagoesboom@reddit

Americans have more law stopping them from being belligrent against Israel then they have against the US, and antisémite accusations rain free whenever peoples protest against Israel.

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howmanyturtlesdeep@reddit

Besides them lobbying our politicians and making them into millionaires, and also our intelligence agencies likely being joined to them by the hip, I have a theory that we also work with them on top secret next generation military research and we absolutely will not be untangling from them because of that. And to be quite frank, I’m talking about ARV’s, alien reproduction vehicles. It’s the ace card that we have in the shadowy Cold War against Russia and China. Whoever masters it will rein supreme.

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Bob4Not@reddit

Several of Hamas’s negotiators have been struck in the middle of negotiations. Then when Iran was engaged and peace talks in progress, their negotiator and leader was struck.

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absolute301@reddit

Hamas makes billions from UN money. They aren’t negotiating for peace.

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refbatch09@reddit

Well, when you get bombed every which way you turn by a group of thugs that play victim, hell yea theyre not gonna negotiate for peace. You can't make peace with the devil

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blkatcdomvet@reddit

Israel is a terrorist state and has been financially supported by American taxpayers since 1956.

Israel has universal health care and is free to low-cost college , thanks to Americans taxpayers.

America, are you not tired of Israel and Israeli's living better lives than you, while you pay for it?

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refbatch09@reddit

Ive been tired of it for 20 years since I first realized what Joos truly think about us. I take solace in the fact that people are finally waking up faster than I ever dreamed. I can't wait until they are pushed into the sea. They've had every chance to act human and refuse to do so and treat the us as cattle to be exploited and then they act like the victim when we defend ourselves.

"The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you." is the most apt description of them that has ever been written. They are beyond help or reasoning with.

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bricksplus@reddit

Truthfully I hate both sides and have become apathetic

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Harper_Sketch@reddit

Both parties support Israel so my vote does nothing. It makes me sick

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EnvironmentalKey3858@reddit

Sick to absolute death.

All I can do about it- is drink.

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AnomalyNexus@reddit

From live updates:

Qatar’s foreign ministry spokesperson Majed Al-Ansari has just said that reports about Qatar being informed of an Israeli attack on Doha beforehand were false

Quite a bold move from Israel. On the flip side they continue to impress with their ability to do pinpoint strikes on leadership

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NoCSForYou@reddit

The leadership were there for negotiations to end the war. Their positions were exactly hidden.

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CommonRagwort@reddit

These are the same people that just claimed responsibility for the bus attack in Israel, now they are dead.

This stirke was done with the approval of the USA and Saudia Araba and probably silently by Qatar. Qatar would never admit they let jews did a strike on their country so of course they will deny.

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Ricky_Ventura@reddit

Qatar had no lnowledge and already condemned it...

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nunyabizz62@reddit

You're the only sane one here

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WeeklySoup4065@reddit

Lol, yeah, let's take them for their word on it.

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CommonRagwort@reddit

Qatar would never admit they let israel strike their country... if course they will deny. They knew hamas was there. The US and SA approved the strike, of course Qatar knew.

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cfcbk@reddit

They were not there for negotiations. They were there amongst themselves discussing the next round of negotiations. It was basically 100% hamas leadership. Any hamas member on earth is going everything in their ability to stay hidden. This is a master class in intelligence not some sort of easy strike.

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Even-Meet-938@reddit

Master class intelligence can’t detect October 7th is about to happen - even after Egypt warns them??

lol just accept you are whitewashing a genocidal regime. I bet you think the pager attacks were an innovative, daring attack.

It’s not too hard to find Hamas in the country that hosts the largest US base in the region.

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grahamfiend2@reddit

I would say many countries can do pinpoint strikes, it’s just that Israel is the only one that actually does it regularly currently.

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Biotic101@reddit

That's why it's so irrational to think they never knew of the incoming attack from Hamas.

Israel has likely the best intelligence service in the world. Such a massive operation was for sure discovered well in time to stop it. And it is pretty unlikely this wasn't reported to the highest level because of it's magnitude. There must have been countless reports.

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