Trump signs order rebranding Pentagon as 'Department of War' - He completely missed the point🤦‍♂️

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Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit

Finally Trump gets to work on the really tough issues!!! I wonder how many calories he burned in this strenuous endeavor??

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This is hilarious. I don't like Trump, but from a foreign policy point of view he has genuinely been the least disastrous president the US has had since Carter. There's no "oh, we need to strengthen NATO to have peace and prosperity for all, and to replace the UN to save starving children in liberated lands, whose free market blooms from injection of ear-marked funds for weapons (which are they way to peace)" (the combined Rice, Cheney, Biden, Clinton and Stoltenberg narrative on this is completely absurd).

Instead it's "We're bombing you because we can! Not for a good reason, we just bomb!". Refreshingly honest.

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PseudoPatriotsNotPog@reddit

Biden was less aggressive than trump.

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nipsen@reddit

In rhetoric, sometimes. With the actual policy, whether it was when Biden was foreign minister or before that in the armed services committee, or finally as president - he was overseeing an amount of aggressive measures that top the worst of what Trump is doing now.

So did Obama. Or Clinton. People kind of need to understand that if you don't listen to what the official narrative is, and simply look at what is being done - it's very hard to support it.

I'm for NATO. I was in the military and see a defense as a good thing. Not exactly naive when it comes to foreign policy, with the background I have had since. But I don't support what is being done with NATO and the US now (as in, since 1999) out of sheer self-interest and survival for my own country up here on the north pole.

Because if we pursue the track we're locked into now to the end, we are going to have to start ww3. Not join in it, but start it ourselves.

But that's what it means to go around and say: oh, but Obama means well! Or Biden is such a nice old man, he clearly won't - with the military under his personal command, and with the state department doing his bidding completely and all of that - cause us to be in a bad position internationally... Right? We can trust the USA to act for our interest and not theirs... Right?

This stuff is suicidal.

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AtosPortosAramis3@reddit

People in the establishment gave zero care to Obama drone murdering over 100,000 people in sovereign countries that were not at war with US.

Trump bombed a boat full of drugs, alone in the sea with no collateral casualties. Obama bombed a wedding full of innocent civilians on a hopeful guess that it might be attended by a person who refused to work for the cia.

People forget the hospital in Afganistan that Obama bombed repeatedly and killed the volunteers from Doctors without Borders.

What Trump did is questionable but isn't a fraction of what Bidet and Obama were blatantly doing.

The boat was loaded with drugs and full of armed men who set out towards the US. Yes they were taken out in international waters. But it can be argued that their intent and actions were a hostile act against the security of the US.

Obama bombed people who simply spoke out against him and carried no threat to the national security. And on territory of sovereign countries which is a much more severe violation of international laws than taking out someone in international waters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-president-barack-obama-bomb-map-drone-wars-strikes-20000-pakistan-middle-east-afghanistan-a7534851.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

Médecins Sans Frontières reported that between 02:08 and 03:15 local time (UTC+04:30) on the night of 3 October, the organization's Kunduz hospital was struck by "a series of aerial bombing raids".^([11])^([21]) The humanitarian organization said the hospital was "hit several times" in the course of the attack, and that the building was "partially destroyed".^([22]) It further said the hospital had been "repeatedly & precisely hit" and that the attack had continued for 30 minutes after MSF staff contacted U.S. and Afghan officials.

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nipsen@reddit

Nevertheless, Obama's intentions, I think, were genuine. Point is that having the veneer of a holy blessing over all of this is giving the state department a kind of latitude that they would not have, were they required to threaten with force to be given permission to operate like this. Trump would not survive an accidental bombing of a wedding. Or enacting torture, or putting in place a black site prison system. Or making a systematic business out of mercenaries in multiple forgotten conflicts.

While if the US people ask if the other guys can be a great ally to freedom and all doubleplusgood things, while promising great improvement on the whole not starting ww3 thing - governments will say yes.

But if we continue to do that, we will have ww3 sooner than we think. And it won't have anything to do with the president at all, outside of the degree of horribleness they might arise to, giving weasels on our end an excuse to say no politically.

But like one in the foreign service said when Trump turned up: we have to continue cooperating with the US regardless of the president. In the future we will still be allies, etc.

..right? But we really can't think like that, unless we want to jump headlong into the abyss of ww3 with a chain to our legs, connected to a huge anvil. We need to avoid the political decisions to write security agreements that go so far beyond what international law, or even NATO allows that if we end up in a bad situation, we can't really say anything, much less say no.

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AtosPortosAramis3@reddit

Obama's intentions were always to be evil so his intentions were genuine but his words never were.

The world is going to a re-alignment, Trump is trying to implement a policy of Fortress America.

NATO attacked Russia and is in the process of losing badly. Which means the EU is now a liability and will no longer be given a say in things.

World War One was started to stop Russia's modernization. Russia was modernizing at a rate that it was putting in more railroad miles than the rest of the world combined. Once the infrastructure was in place, attacking Russia would have been quick suicide. So the attacks through proxy and directly were launched before Russia had the proper grid to move it's troops and logistics. Which led to battlefield failures and domestically instability which was exploited by western powers who on paper were fighting Germany but coordinated in bringing in London and Vatican trained terrorist operatives who eventually killed the Tzar.

Trotskiy was not the real name of the person who worked on Wall Street and was funded by US bankers. Lenin was not the real name of the person who was trained in London and Vienna while being funded by Swiss and London Bankers. Stalin was not the real name of the person who was a trained Jesuit priest and was funded by Swiss and Vatican bankers.

These terrorists were transported from Switzerland across Prussian controlled territory in an armored trained fully loaded with weapons by Prussian and Swiss governments.

Russia's population before the first world war was something like 25% of Europe. If neither war had happened it's population now would be 50% of Europe and around 500 million. So both world wars were to genocide Russians and everything else was a side effed.

Right as Russia rebuilt itself NATO attacked hoping to draw Russia into another mass slaughter to destroy more of the population and keep it suppressed. This time people running Russia did not take the bait and moved carefully instead of being ego driven. The two previous invasions not only humbled them but taught them that there are people who want them exterminated because they refuse to act as slaves.

Now that NATO lost the war, Trump understands he needs to get on the good side of Russia because demographics are destiny and Russia is winning the cultural war. China is going to switch from being a US vassal to being a Russian vassal and that means US needs to re-industrialize and find ways to attract talent to migrate to US. Last two decades US trained many chinese but the talent always left and only the untalented stayed. Same goes for other countries.

This is why the deportations are happening. US has to tighten it's immigration policy to make it seem that moving to US is a prize and not a freebie.

The EU is fracturing and some of the smarter European politicians realizing that if they do not get on the good side of Russia, they will be on the menu for US to claim as tribute payers. The renaming to Department of War is not accidental or just for shits and giggles. It is to send a message that if you don't pay, we will come in and take things. Paying will be an obligation and tariffs are an extraction of tribute. People are too small minded caught up in their localized ideological tribal mentalities to understand the global re-alignment.

There are no tariffs on Russia but EU will have to pay while US will no longer have to pay EU tariffs like the VAT tax. Money talks and bullshit walks.

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nipsen@reddit

Just going to say that there's a difference between the more or less artistic theater deceptions of the past (like Stalin's many names), and the historical falsifications that came much later (such as taking Trotsky's accusations against Stalin as facts, and hiding the origin of some of the claims made). There were any amount of good reasons to not use your real name at the time as well - but once he rose to power he never actually hid that he was from Georgia. Arguably used that as a weapon to further the justice of the Soviet project.

We don't need to make these falsifications about history in real time, either, as it happens, by just aggressively removing as much context for previous events as possible.

For example: renaming the Pentagon the Department of War obviously doesn't change anything by itself. Just as if Williamson's Department of Peace was established, this has very little to do with what they're actually doing.

Our soon future, and current prime minister says things like "I very much oppose the disbanding of USAid", because it was such a success historically to push through small projects that the US government could tell Congress was beyond reproach and so on.

And historically he is correct, even if that's not the case more recently. But the label and the intention behind it is hardly any different whether it pays for vaccinations to save kids from preventable diseases, or whether it is used for recruitment drives on the behalf of Banderite militias.

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AtosPortosAramis3@reddit

What falsifications. Stalin was a trained Jesuit. Literally an infiltrator agent for the Vatican that only recruits the most ideologically obsessed.

Lenin's brother was hung for treason because he was part of a terrorist group which attempted to assassinate a Tzar.

Stalin's mission was to mass murder as many Orthodox Christians on the orders of the Vatican.

Vatican had ordered Crusades into Russia before to kill Christians for refusing to submit to satanism. Look up the Battle of Ice Lake. Or Vatican spies working for the mongols who attacked Rus.

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EasterBunny1916@reddit

Stalin attended a seminary that trained men to be Russian Orthodox priests.

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AtosPortosAramis3@reddit

Why lie? He was a Jesuit priest. It is a well known fact.

https://jesuitinquisition.blogspot.com/2016/02/joseph-stalin-was-born-into-prominent.html

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Successful_Addition5@reddit

It's even more open than that honestly. One of the top officials was like "yeah we want the lithium in Bolivia, Venezuelan oil sands, etc"

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nipsen@reddit

Right. They're freaking out now because they're just saying what they're doing and intending. Like Hegseth insisting that they have authority anywhere on the sea to murder people without proof. This is something we've heard quietly over the Barents Sea, South China sea, Taiwan strait, etc.

Like one said to me in friendly confidence, once: of course we realize that if we threatened people to get what we want, that would be much more difficult than being more polite.

That's why the establishment is going crazy. Because the battle between neoconservatives, liberals and pro democracy folks, and the "realists" is getting upended by Trump just stating it all outright.

It's brilliant. True American stupidity may save the world from ww3 yet, if this continues.

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