Me trashing Dallas on Yelp so people stop moving here.
Posted by luckyjackass@reddit | Dallas | View on Reddit | 262 comments

Posted by luckyjackass@reddit | Dallas | View on Reddit | 262 comments
Infamous-Question-20@reddit
Work is making me š„² I definitely would rather stay in my hometown and spend time my brand new niece. Hopefully Texas will be kind to me. I am looking at it like a temporary adventure. Sorry for the intrusion š
burgerzkingz@reddit
It seems like thatās the point of the entire subreddit almost every post is trashing Dallas.
LP99@reddit
This sub is wild. Youād think we lived in a forgotten Rust Belt town, not the fourth biggest metro in the country. Some people just love being miserable, and theyāre all in here.
lpalf@reddit
I move a lot so Iām in a lot of city subreddits and I promise you theyāre mostly like this in my experience š
RandomRageNet@reddit
The San Diego subreddit is full of assholes. Sucks to be them and their poop ocean and they take it out on outsiders I guess
johnnymca@reddit
Poop ocean? Have you seen the water at beaches in Tx?
RandomRageNet@reddit
I mean Galveston isn't great but the Southern tip of California is literally unsafe to swim in because of raw sewage getting dumped into the water from Tijuana so when I say poop water I mean it literally
johnnymca@reddit
Oh thatās gross. Going to Hawaii ruined beaches for me unless itās a tropical island. Itās so blue and clear and the gulf is brown greenish water
TheGranitePark@reddit
So in other words, they are all on reddit?
lpalf@reddit
Exactly people come on the internet as an outlet to complain. It is what it is atp
johnnymca@reddit
It might be the fourth largest but living here feels like itās still 1990 something.
RoboPeenie@reddit
I mean Dallas is fine. But itās lost a lot of what made it such a transplant hot spot though. Itās no longer a cheap place to live. The exurbs keep moving farther and farther out. Itās hot, flat, and relatively devoid of a cultural identity (mostly because of transplant culture).
But 60% of the year itās got pretty good weather. Has a major airport. Is centrally located in the US. Businesses like it because itās low tax for them. You can find a place to live that fits your budget (even if itās a 90 min drive from your job). Food isnāt too bad.
lawskooldreamin@reddit
Dallas is absolutely still a cheap place to live compared to other major metros. As someone who lives in NYC, it is infuriating when Dallas folks act like it is expensive there.
edskitten@reddit
Well it's expensive for a shithole.
lawskooldreamin@reddit
Ehh define shithole.
khz30@reddit
Not sure where you're looking in Dallas, but it's nowhere near the cheap place to live it was 20 years ago thanks to transplants moving in and encouraging further sprawl instead of moving into existing communities that needed the population density.
lawskooldreamin@reddit
Ok, it being more expensive than it used to be is one thing, saying it is expensive compared to other major metros is another.
Strange-Parfait-8801@reddit
They didn't say it's expensive compared to other metros. They just said it's not longer a cheap place to live which is absolutely true.
Go look at any "luxury" apartment downtown or any house that isn't an hour drive from the city. They might not be NYC prices but they'll still trigger your gag reflex at how high they are.
lawskooldreamin@reddit
Iāve looked at the prices, my gag reflex was not triggered. I was pleasantly surprised.
Strange-Parfait-8801@reddit
Yeah no a 1BR apartment downtown starting at $1700 a month and going up to $3600 a month before any fees is gross. They are not NYC prices. I never claimed they were. But you're just flat out being contrarian pretending that isn't ridiculously high.
lawskooldreamin@reddit
Those prices sound great to me. Iām not being contrarian. Being able to snag a 1BR for less than $2k a month in the liveliest part of the 4th largest metro area in the country is a great deal to me.
rockstar504@reddit
Its not just transplants. Single family home have been bought and sold by foreign investors who never even stepped for in the USA, but inflated housing prices to make a profit. Why is this legal?
Short term rentals have been bought up by hedge funds, individual investors, and hotel chains. Why is this legal?
It's more than just transplants. There's a lot of things to be upset about without directing your anger to the common laborer who is just trying to better their lives like you and I. Been here for 33 years myself.
Anxious-Library-964@reddit
Yeah as someone who used to live in the San Francisco Bay and moved to Dallas early this year I'm just going to say the COL in Dallas is not that bad at all.
Sad_Song_3840@reddit
If only we had no crime...
Jackieray2light@reddit
To be fair, most Dallasites do not know there is more Dallas south east and west of downtown. if all you know is inbetween 30 & 635 / 75 & 45 then yeah... it is devoid of a cultural identity.
spunkysocialist@reddit
I think youāre confusing āurban sprawlā with ācultural identityā
Upbeat-Dish7299@reddit
Food is below average at best. Which makes no sense based on the amount of people and different cultures that live there.
DramaKing_@reddit
Food is good here but every good restaurant is 1 hour from another good restaurant.
burgerzkingz@reddit
Apparently Dallas is bad because we werenāt blessed with mountains and beaches 100 million years ago.
JinFuu@reddit
I've never understood Reddit's obsession with being close to mountains/beaches.
Like, please, we all know y'all (the complainers) don't go outside.
burgerzkingz@reddit
Nah mountains and beaches are rightfully beautiful but complaining that a location thatās known for not having either since almost the dawn of time is just stupid.
JinFuu@reddit
Oh yeah, mountains/beaches are awesome, would never deny that.
It's just one of the things that is always trotted out as a negative for Dallas.
Like sorry we're the biggest city not on a coast or a navigable river (or whatever that stat is)
Complex_Win_5408@reddit
Meh. Wasn't it in an ocean then?
burgerzkingz@reddit
Yeah we shouldāve done a better job at keeping it who needs Houston anyways.
DramaKing_@reddit
Houston will be an ocean by 2031
burgerzkingz@reddit
Hell yeah beach front property in Dallas.
Complex_Win_5408@reddit
Facts
JinFuu@reddit
I remember replying to a post in a different part of Reddit that was trashing DFW. The conversation went something like this.
OP: "Dallas sucks, there's nothing to do there!"
Me: Gives list of all the things you can do in Dallas.
OP: "Yeah, well, you can do all those things in much better cities!"
Me: Gives List of unique things in DFW that you can do.
OP: "I don't like any of those things you listed."
It was infuriating
AngryyFerret@reddit
dallas hates dallas itās what we do
burgerzkingz@reddit
Everyone Iāve met irl likes Dallas itās just this weird thing online mostly people coming from other states that just needlessly complain about stuff Dallas has they just donāt know about or something unrealistic like our lack of beaches.
Upbeat-Dish7299@reddit
I Ubered some my last 4-5 months there and it was pretty much like this sub. Lot of people that hated Dallas but were stuck there for whatever reason. My ex girlfriendās family hates it there. I get a call every so often from them asking me to come get them.
burgerzkingz@reddit
I donāt think thereās a single place on earth where someone doesnāt hate where they live. Itās just natural some cities just arenāt made for certain people.
doonerthesooner@reddit
Dallas sucks, Rockwall is nice thoughĀ
DizzyDentist22@reddit
All the city subs are trash like this lol. Everyone who enjoys their life here arenāt on Reddit
Barack_Odrama_007@reddit
Pretty much. Regardless of the sub, Dallas continues to be 1 of the most popular cities in the country to move to
Upbeat-Dish7299@reddit
Well yeah. If your job moves there because thereās less regulations most people will follow their job. Then regret it as soon as they get there and bitch online
Strange-Parfait-8801@reddit
That is definitely fair. I love Dallas and could make a huge list of reasons I think people would want to live here.
But, if you're being forced here for your job, most of those reasons won't apply. Because you're not moving to "Dallas." You're moving to some suburbanista hellscape that's an hour outside of Dallas where the only reason to be there is so your corpo can funnel more money into executive bonuses.
BusPilledTrainMaxx0r@reddit
Ain't no hater like a Dallas hater.Ā
NoRecommendation6258@reddit
Bc a Dallas hater don't stop
Zerodegreez@reddit
Its extremely overrated, and a lot of native Texans are insufferable. Food is extremely mid too, save for really expensive open until 9am bbq places, or you have to go 2 hours out of the way. Some good companies to work for if you get lucky though, credit there where its due.
Upbeat-Dish7299@reddit
Pretty spot on.
ChefMikeDFW@reddit
I think you just proved u/burgerzkingz point...
Zerodegreez@reddit
A point we agreed upon, the difference being I presume they mean "for no reason" and I'm saying "for good reason".
MonsterMMA_@reddit
Dallas is full of flat anorexic asses
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
Iām not anorexic, but I do have that fashionable flat white woman Dallas ass. Like a frog standing on its hinders.
burrito3ater@reddit
I bet you live in flower mound or Frisco lol
PrestigiousWork7870@reddit
Bet my money theyāre from Cali. God ever since blow dicks Rogan came to Austin all those clowns started to pop up in TX.
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
Nope. Why do you have to live in FM or Frisco to have a flat ass?
saysthingsbackwards@reddit
You're looking at it backwards. You don't have to be from there to have it. But if you are from there, more than likely you have it.
GetMaBFG@reddit
Damn š¤£. I completely understand you. ššæ
AshKetchDeezHands@reddit
Most accurate thing Iāve heard in Dallas
saysthingsbackwards@reddit
The cool thing about being 1 in a million is that there's about 8000 other people just like you
DramaKing_@reddit
You must have been watching a Starbucks at 7am I swear every female that comes out looks the exact same
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
Female?
You could just say woman.
raditzzx@reddit
I just call them foids
DramaKing_@reddit
Is a female not a woman ?
CalciteQ@reddit
Previous commenter is pointing out that many women find being called "female" dehumanizing, because it focuses on just their bodies instead of focusing on them as people who happen to be female. I think probably it is reminiscent of how female bodies are constantly objectified.
Woman is a more humanizing word, because it's only used to describe people.
It's sort of like why we say "female cat" or "female bird" and not "woman cat" or "woman bird".
I grew up around alot of women, and was taught to always just say woman and not "females" like alot of my friends did growing up.
Dismal-Resident-8784@reddit
Yes. A female is a woman.
saysthingsbackwards@reddit
lol no that's just statistics when there's 8 billion people on this planet
DramaKing_@reddit
Naw Iām talking about the same haircut same style same jeans
ShotMyTatorTots@reddit
I tell you hwat!
Appropriate_Safe7858@reddit
Waitā¦what! Bro, ālike a frog standing on its hind legsā is funny AF! šš¤£
markp_93@reddit
Dallass
goodkush421@reddit
Dallas women sure areā¦.interesting
ConflictedTrashPanda@reddit
I don't think people watched the documentary cause they are getting real upset by this comment š¤£
lowteq@reddit
Flat ozempoc asses. Some of those wrinkles and tans are just wild these days.
AppearancePristine22@reddit
Everyone in downtown/uptown is scared of calories. I work in a cafe and all everyone does is ask me about calories in food and sugar free options
Embarrassed-Ad8477@reddit
We must be different places because I see a lot of fitness booties and BBL looks when I'm in town.
MonsterMMA_@reddit
100% i'm just quoting the pos mom saying that to her daughter from the netflix doc.
Embarrassed-Ad8477@reddit
Ha, didn't realize that and didn't see it.
SleepingDih@reddit
This entire thread is circlejerking each other
JinFuu@reddit
What else are people on Reddit going to do on a Friday night?
Guitarista78@reddit
Ozempic ass and face
alcremiekitty@reddit
I'm a shapely woman, I can't relate.
saysthingsbackwards@reddit
when you grab it, is it muscle or flab?
TannyTevito@reddit
Shapely is a euphemism for fat- you know the answer to this
alcremiekitty@reddit
My ass is muscle and flab. When you jerk it, are you able to use your full hand and see the tip, or does your hand cover all of it?
saysthingsbackwards@reddit
I use accessibility tweezers, tyvm
alcremiekitty@reddit
Figured
I_SmellFuckeryAfoot@reddit
you in the wrong area
5adieKat87@reddit
Ozempic pancake booty?
DramaKing_@reddit
Built like AirPods
PToN_rM@reddit
He can just post his face and that would be enough to keep people out
hunnyflash@reddit
A certain someone on my husband's side just got roasted.
saysthingsbackwards@reddit
Sister in law! Sister in law!
jkat1972@reddit
Thanks Iāve been dieting š„°
firetomherman@reddit
A coworker described it as looking like the end of a bread loaf ššš
AudienceKlutzy@reddit
I hear thereās some good tortas around here
heazergurl@reddit
HAHAHAHA dead
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
Iām from Dallas, and I donāt hate it at all! I donāt even dislike it.
SCinBZ@reddit
People move TO Dallas? On purpose?
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
YES. I moved TO Dallas from my motherās womb, which was IN Dallas.
shaymcquaid@reddit
Life long Dallasite. Recently moved to Tulsa. You can keep every square inch of Dallas and its traffic and its idiotsā¦.
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
Why are you commenting on this sub?
B_Ash3s@reddit
I moved away 13years ago and will never go back. Yall can have your snobs, Iāll take my authentic Houston humid air any day!
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
Ew, gross. Keep it.
Soft-Improvement-585@reddit
LMAOOO
-lovatoj@reddit
No one wants to move there anyways
Master_Vermicelli261@reddit
As someone who has lived here for a while, Iām having a hard time seeing why Dallas needs a catfish at all. It can tarnish itās reputation all on its ownā¦
What do yāall find appealing here?
Orbis_IGNIS@reddit
Debbie does dallass Dallas *
Fresh-Temperature-46@reddit
Well.. tell them downtown Dallas smells like hot piss and full of pretentious assholes
Haaraloth@reddit
Iām watching this wild true crime documentary right now - opened Reddit because I was getting too angry listening to this crazy woman make excuses!
ConflictedTrashPanda@reddit
"Everyone makes mistakes" Girl. Girl. Two years of harassing your daughter and her friends isn't a "mistake".
Beetso@reddit
That's got to be the most hated woman in America right now.
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
Who is it?
Boring_Funny_6604@reddit
She is the mother of a teenager in a Netflix documentary āunknown numderāwho catfished her own daughter and other students at her school; even suggesting for her to kill herself. She was caught after they tracked the IP address from where the text messages were coming from.
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
Oh. My. GOD.
Bernalio@reddit
Itās so much worse than youāre imagining. She sent her own daughter sexually explicit messages, threats, and more. I almost threw up watching the doc.
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
Ok I think Iāll skip that. š¤®š¤®š¤®š¤®
nemesisprime1984@reddit
And they let her talk at the end where she says āeveryone make mistakesā and tries to play it off as if sheās no worse than a drunk driver getting a DUI
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
Theeeeeeee fuuuuuuck
ConflictedTrashPanda@reddit
She also lied about having two jobs for TWO YEARS and spent her free time sending 50+ messages a day to her daughter, her daughter's friends and boyfriend. And her family lost all their stuff they had in storage because she was lying about the finances.
AwareOfAlpacas@reddit
Backtraced her IP andĀ consequences will never be the sameĀ
JinFuu@reddit
Christ, that was 15 years ago.
I'm sending the cyberpolice after you cause you dun goofed reminding me of this.
ResolutionMany6378@reddit
What the fuck I have to look this up
krieprr@reddit
I think the governor and the Republicans are doing a great job making people not want to move to Dallas, or Texas in general.
Yikez214@reddit
Whoās that? Keep seeing her on my feeds
ilikeclementinesalot@reddit
She's from a documentary on Netflix called Unknown Number: High School Catfish. It's insane š
Yikez214@reddit
Ty Iāll check it out šš¼
agc2@reddit
Lmao. Love it
AdSpecialist2569@reddit
Dallas will become worse than LA mark my words
TheClownIsReady@reddit
Iām seeing this photo everywhere latelyā¦whereās it originally from?
Hayhud23@reddit
You're so UGLY Dallas! You should just succeed yourself.
stksnstnes@reddit
Unknown caller
Ricard728@reddit
Too late, half of Florida is already here.
PullFires@reddit
I'm a floridian moving to dallas in 3 weeks. I'm moving for a job opportunity, why's the rest of florida moving there?
Ricard728@reddit
I have no idea but, there are a lot of cars with Florida plates driving around Dallas.
IMnotGARBAGE@reddit
I just moved here. I love it lol
According-Coast-9611@reddit
Lolll i just moved here from florida im sorry yallš
YouReachITeach27@reddit
Dallas deserves the hate. Nothing but urban sprawl as far as the eye can see.
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
Dallas isn't full! We just need to build a lot more housing and connect it with walkable streets and public transit, because car-centric city planning is a financial death sentence for cities.
You should want people to move here so that the city has more people paying taxes to fund cool shit and critical services.
Cmnzgy@reddit
Just when I thought Iād finally leave H-Town.
ty944@reddit
Because thatās exactly whatās going to happen. Thereās no way that theyāll just keep building lanes and new highways right? Right??
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
Well, if people just sit around holding their dicks and making defeatist comments on Reddit, they sure might. So don't do that.
ty944@reddit
Maybe? I just donāt understand the idea that if they canāt take care of the people that are here, that suddenly when thereās more people to take care of they can now do so.
711SushiChef@reddit
Nadine Lee needs more money to fuck up DART and add useless trains to nowhere? Nah.
DART is a joke, and shoveling more money at then won't fix the problem. The canceled the only project, D2, which could have helped the system become semi-relevant.
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
"I don't agree with how DART is currently working, so I'm going to push to de-fund it instead of advocating to make it better."
What an impressive and noble take. I wish I had the fortitude to commit to being a crybaby of this caliber. Alas, I can only muster the strength to try to improve things.
711SushiChef@reddit
Not as noble as building my entire identity around public transit, in a city with garbage public transit. You, sir, are the real hero.
It takes more fortitude to wait 45 minutes for a bus. You're the real MVP.
Lol, white knighting for an incompetent moron like Nadine Lee isn't improving things, it's just really sad.
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
Well, I appreciate your commitment to making sure things don't get better. Keep up all the good work you're doing here.
711SushiChef@reddit
Nadine Lee will lead is all into the 19th century, please keep her safe!
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
Your obsession with Nadine Lee and conflation of her with the entire endeavor of urbanism in Dallas is just bizarre. Did she reject you or something? We've all been there, man.
711SushiChef@reddit
Lol, Dallas urbanists. Truly the saddest of urbanists. DART is shit, DART management is incompetent, it's not an obsession, it's a statement of fact.
You're not very good at this, are you?
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
At what, wasting everyone's time? No, I'll leave that to pros like you.
711SushiChef@reddit
If I've caused you to miss one of your extremely productive urbanist meetings, don't worry. There will be like six more this week, it won't stop your tremendous accomplishments.
IamSpiders@reddit
I just sat in stand still traffic for 3.5 hrs (like literally, the whole highway shut down for 3.5 hrs) because of TXDOT so we should just defund highways
VisualApproach17C@reddit
Outside of a small minority that seems to exist solely in this subreddit, not many people in Dallas really want more public transit. In fact, most want less - costly, inefficient, dirty, and crime infested. No one really wants to give up space for more density either. Not many things are particularly alluring about Dallas but economy/jobs, space, and not being shackled to public transit are a few. Why would we want to give any of those things up after many left places where only one of those exist? I'll gladly trade a little traffic for the privacy and comfort of my own vehicle.
Dallas' scale is too massive for widespread public transit effectiveness either. And when I talk about Dallas, I mean the whole metro. Where most people live is often far from where they work, so why would someone trade a 30 minute drive for a 1.5 hour transit ride with multiple transfers to shift east/west to north/south? Even if the main thoroughfares are covered, you might be left with a very long walk to your eventual destination. Couple that with a pretty shitty climate 9 months a year and you see why the masses don't really want that here.
To truly serve the major counties reasonably seamless, it would take an enormous amount of money, imminent domain, and also willingness by the majority of us to not only give up our land and pay for it, but use it. That just isn't there and likely won't be until long after I'm dead if ever. You can post all the articles you want about stats that lean your way, but it's very difficult to change peoples' personal tastes.
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
Can you give me those excuses as bullet points?
VisualApproach17C@reddit
Residents are unwilling to give up privacy, comfort, and vehicle use for density.
Dallasā metro scale makes public transit impractical for most:
Harsh climate much of the year discourages walking/transit.
Building effective metro-wide transit would require:
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
"Transit dependence"
Jesus Christ.
"People prefer the freedom of drilling their own wells and filtering their own water over the oppression of municipal water supplies"
The rest of it is mostly just describing car dependency. Yeah, things are spread out and transit takes longer literally because the city was halfway torn down for cars.
Yes, it's pricey. Wait until you figure out how much car infrastructure costs!
Yes, good point about the harsh climate. If we had Chicago's -15F winters, maybe we'd be better suited for transit. You realize that if a city isn't absolute shit, buses and trains come often enough so that you're not sitting outside for all that long, right?
Honestly I feel like I'm responding to satire of a suburbanite who has never set foot in a good city, ever.
VisualApproach17C@reddit
Dallas isnāt transit-averse because people donāt know better ā itās because transit here doesnāt work as well as driving. A system built for Chicago density wonāt magically work in a metro the size of New Jersey. Yes, transit costs a lot ā and so does car infrastructure. But one moves 92% of Dallas commuters, the other moves ~3%. Which oneās delivering value?
Iāll believe in ātransit freedomā when DART can get someone across the metro in under 30 min without 2 transfers.
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
I'm not saying it will. I'm saying we need to treat the extreme financial opportunity cost of car dependence as the problem that it is and start rolling it back, which requires improving density and transit coverage in tandem.
But also they absolutely don't, and it's part of the problem. Most people I run into here have never taken transit, or have only taken it to the State Fair. They rent a car when they travel to cities that have a better transit scene. It's not part of their world.
I believe in it because I've experienced it both in Dallas and in other cities. In Dallas, it can get me from where I live to downtown with zero stress. Specific routes work well. In other cities, it's a lot more comprehensive. There is no fundamental reason we can't have it here, but yes, it requires much better city planning than this parking lot suburban dogshit.
VisualApproach17C@reddit
Youāre basically making the argument that if Dallas just spent tens of billions and bulldozed half the suburbs to re-densify, transit would suddenly āwork.ā Thatās not realistic in a 7,800-sq-mi metro that grew up around cars.
A few bullet points (since you like those) that arenāt just "suburban satire":
People here arenāt dumb or unexposed. Most have tried DART ā they just found it slower, less reliable, and less safe than driving. When they travel to New York or Chicago and rent a car, itās not ignorance ā itās preference for convenience and flexibility. You also know nothing about me as I gladly gave up hand-schlepping groceries down the street to have the freedom to load them in my car instead.
So yeah, Dallas doesnāt need lectures about ānot knowing better.ā The reality is: transit here doesnāt compete with driving for the vast majority of people. Pretending otherwise doesnāt change the math.
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
No, I'm making the argument that Dallas can improve density and start the long process of paying down its car dependency debt by allowing developers to build more densely in places where it is currently prohibited. The investors, patrons, and residents who build, frequent, and live in these developments will pay for that aspect of things.
The city will need to pay for upgrades to infrastructure, regulatory stuff, studies to guide zoning decisions, pedestrian and bike infrastructure, roadway resurfacing and rebuilding, etc. Some of that will be offset by the massive tax revenue increases from allowing more density. That all hinges on it being done well. If you're skeptical of that last bit, there's a concern we can share.
And again, the issues you mention are really an effect of the city being built so poorly. I agree it's not going to be an overnight fix, but the city can (and has, honestly) get started.
We live in a growing city that needs to build for the future, not a stagnant bedroom community.
VisualApproach17C@reddit
I get where youāre coming from, but I donāt buy that ājust add densityā fixes the car-dependency problem.
Developers capture profit up front, but the city is stuck with the long-term bill for roads, sewers, utilities, and services. That supposed ādensity dividendā rarely balances out in Sun Belt metros ā you often just get more cars per acre, not fewer. Look at Atlanta or Phoenix: lots of infill projects, still car-dependent decades later. Density doesnāt erase costs ā it front-loads them. Guess whoās left holding the bag? Taxpayers.
And the cultural reality matters. In Dallas, 90%+ of commuters drive. People here overwhelmingly value cars, space, and flexibility. You canāt legislate that away with zoning tweaks. Until transit actually competes with a 30-minute car trip, most residents simply arenāt going to switch ā and the financial math wonāt change either. Dallas isnāt a secret Manhattan waiting to bloom ā itās a giant metro that was built around cars and people like it that way.
Unlucky-Watercress30@reddit
Part 2:
Correct. When the just express tollway network on I635 has had more investment than the entire light rail network and individual highway upgrade projects cost in similar price ranges to entire rail lines (I345 upgrade is expected to be 1.6 billion, the Silver Line cost 2.1 billion and thats with Covid hitting right as the project got started leading major delays and a cost blowout), the math for car dependency will continue to be terrible for municipalities. Highways are hideously expensive, and Dallas has the unique burden of having all of its road infrastructure beat up by the vehicles of all the suburbanites who dont actually pay significant tax revenue to the city to cover the damages. Lets also not ignore the millions in economic damage due to accidents (or the lives lost and ruined), the billions needed in repairs for legacy infrastructure, nor the fact that sprawl increases costs for providing and maintaining utilities and services since, as mentioned before, they all scale in cost significantly more with area than with population. The individual math for personal car ownership has also continued to get worse (again, average 30k for USED vehicles, with anything in even half decent condition being over 15k even for the economy sedans), with continual price increases (tariffs have already brought prices back to covid highs in the used and new car markets), insurance getting ever more expensive, etc. A yearly DART pass was about $1200. Some people get "free" corporate passes, reduced rate student passes, etc. In general the max you'll ever pay for DART on a yearly basis is about $1500 even after the price increases. Thats less than just my insurance payments on a shared vehicle (btw its a used vehicle from 2016 so not exactly a high price luxury car). Including gas, maintenance, and the actual payments makes DART is significantly cheaper on a personal basis for the majority of individuals, its just going to be slower or not an option given its current scale and the existing built out environment.
But that gets to the point of all of this: the existing built environment can change. The sprawl is so extreme that youre right, that we won't be able to change the entire metro even over the course of 30 years. However, we can encourage development and density around DARTs existing network (which until like 2 years ago was the most extensive light rail network in the US). We can densify and enable car free or car lite lifestyles around areas where thats already somewhat the case (like Uptown, and if including the suburbs then Citiline, DT Plano, DT Carrollton, Las Colinas, Addison, etc).
Its taking these areas that already have promise and removing existing restrictions on their growth such as parking minimums, density maximums, and a whole host of minor regulations that add up to make building dense transit oriented developments considerably more expensive than they should be. Its not a case of doing everything at once. Theres islands of density and walkability, and theres an existing substantial transit system (albeit nowhere near large enough for a metro area of this size).
So the first steps would actually see the biggest and easiest improvements in this regard: bring transit to the areas that can properly utilize it but dont have it (easy examples are the Legacy area in Plano and North Arlington) and build dense places that can properly utilize existing transit infrastructure (easy examples are basically all of the light rail park 'n rides except for like Parker Road). Both of those efforts are very doable in 20 years (hell they're probably doable in 10) and would absolutely create massive increases in transit utilization and ridership while being a financial boon to the city and individuals/families who can cut out at least one major expense and possibly more when they live in the areas that make it possible.
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
Fuck yeah. Awesome response.
Unlucky-Watercress30@reddit
Replying in 2 parts since reddit cant handle the full response in a single reply. Part 1:
It has worked in select neighborhoods so far, but the city needs to hit a critical mass for it to begin happening to any significant degree. Areas like Uptown are great, but Uptown is an island in a sea of sprawl. However, the city and DART have switched focus to building out dense mixed use development around DARTs' existing stations. While this won't completely remove car dependency (especially meteo wide) itll create more and more pockets where people can live car free or at least car lite (such as sharing 1 car for a family rather than 1 car per adult). Theres already areas like this that are growing, but it's definitely going to take decades before any significant shifts happen metro wide.
You've missed a very critical point with this statement: every single one of those utilities (except parking) increases significantly more with area than with population. So building denser generally is less expensive for the city to maintain due to the relatively larger tax base per acre, which also matters for many other services like police and EMS which scale in cost with service area as well. The city also doesnt usually maintain things like public parking garages or parking lots to anywhere near the same degree as roads and utilities, so the increased cost for those due to density is borne more by the developers/owners rather than the city.
You act like it's always been this way. In 1946 somewhere between 25%-50% of people in Dallas used public transit (while the total population was significantly smaller, the raw number of public transit trips was almost double what it is today). This is after almost 3 decades of declining public transit ridership within the city. 90% of people also drive because they don't have any other choice. Wanting to drive and being forced to drive are not the same thing. For anyone living outside of loop 12 its essentially not a choice unless they live in one of the few neighborhoods that has a rail station or decent bus stop.
And while yes, people value their space and flexibility, they also value their lives. Driving around here is extremely dangerous, and despite all the shit DART gets about being dangerous and sketchy, even if every single murder in the entire city of Dallas occured on a DART vehicle or station then itd be roughly as dangerous as driving, at least in raw numbers. However theres maybe 3 people per year killed on DART property (most of which occur in neighborhoods that are already dangerous with or without DART) and over 200 people per year killed in car crashes just within Dallas city limits. You could probably throw in another hundred fatalities across the other DART member cities. That's to say nothing of the thousands of people critically injured and tens of thousands of minor dings that still result in significant financial strain, nor to mention things like car break-ins or car theft. DARTs reputation as dangerous comes much more from the fact that the danger feels more personal, not from the fact that youre more likely to die or get mugged on it than be in a car crash (minor or severe).
There's also the fact that Gen-Z and younger generations are showing signs of really not liking cars. Who knew that having a 30k fee to participate in society would make the youth not want that anymore? Btw 30k is now the nationwide average sale price for USED cars. Average new is over 50k. Culturally you (well, people with your position) are in for a hell of a rude awakening when Gen Z and younger come to full prominence since we arent particularly fond of the crippling debt required to participate in a car dependent society. The cultural landscape of specifically Gen Z and younger is very different from Millenials and older in this regard, and its going to become more and more of a factor 20 years from now as boomers die out, Gen X fully hits retirement, and the kids of millenials begin to become adults.
The current dichotomy only exists due to over restrictive regulations. It's not a coincidence that when Dallas started allowing density in certain neighborhoods (like Uptown), it started getting built extremely quickly. For the past 60 ish years its been illegal to build density and transit oriented developments throughout 95% of the city. It's also very noteworthy that Dallas bulldozed a lot of neighborhoods to make way for the freeways and parking lots, which enable car dependency within the city.
In certain cases, it does, especially the light rail network during rush hour. The biggest issue with it is that not enough people live within a convenient distance of a rail station (which is why densifying around them is such a good idea). Many people are also willing to accept slightly longer trips for the convenience of not driving. Its stressful and Dallas drivers are fucking maniacs at the best of times. Its worth a slightly longer trip to reduce the stress on a daily commute. With how sprawling DFW is its going to be impossible to make transit the best option for every trip for every person within this century (and thats being optimistic), but its absolutely possible to make it the best option for certain trips (namely in/around downtown and adjacent neighborhoods, the airport, and the downtowns/urban neighborhoods of several major suburbs).
cas_goes_kayaking@reddit
Just because most of the metro uses cars doesnāt mean that they would prefer that, and it doesnāt mean we shouldnāt be proposing solutions to make transit easier. If people want to drive they can continue to drive while more people taking accessible transit would ease up congestion on the roads for those people too.
Your ChatGPT generated responses donāt really give me confidence that you arenāt a bot just trolling though.
VisualApproach17C@reddit
I'm all about getting more people off the roads. More room for me. This whole urbanist hopium obsession this sub has with busses and trains is out of touch though. The facts still remain: it's grossly expensive and inefficient. Doubling down is not going to make any meaningful improvement. Nor tripling or quadrupling. This dude is coming at us insinuating that we NEED to do this and we'll all like the results is the same approach that a certain political party took with disastrous results. Assuming what people want to adopt as mainstream ideology is far out of touch with what the masses actually want. A few people want more busses, they're vocal about it, but the majority don't.
StankoMicin@reddit
Nope. Thats cars bro
The sad reality is, if you wanna move people around you gonna have to spend money. But trains and trams do that a lot better than Ford 150s. And they do it as much less cost and less risk too
Dallas does need to do better. Im sorry Republicans haven't helped you yet, but this isn't something you can just plug your ears about. Car infrastructure is shitty and inefficient at moving lots of people in major cities. Maybe they work on the open road,but cities should be for people, not cars.
Buses are fine but they have a lot of the same problems as cars. If you like driving, no one is taking thay from you. But life would be better if people didnt HAVE to depend on cars to get them places. This is fact
StankoMicin@reddit
You dont know better lol
VisualApproach17C@reddit
Youāre basically making the argument that if Dallas just spent tens of billions and bulldozed half the suburbs to re-densify, transit would suddenly āwork.ā Thatās not realistic in a 7,800-sq-mi metro that grew up around cars.
A few points that arenāt just āsuburban satireā: * Only ~3ā4% of Dallas commuters use transit. 92% drive. Thatās not ignorance ā thatās revealed preference. * The average Dallas commute by car is ~30 minutes. Over 50% of DART riders spend 35+ minutes, and 26% spend over an hour. Thatās not freedom, thatās inefficiency. * Roads move millions every day. DARTās $1.4B annual budget serves ~220k weekday riders. The subsidy per user is massive compared to road spending. * Sure, some routes work fine (downtown corridors, State Fair trips). But for most of the metro, itās a 1.5-hour ordeal with transfers vs. a 30-min drive. * Climate matters: in a place where temperatures are at extreme ends of the spectrum 9 months a year, waiting 20 minutes for a bus or train isnāt āfreedom.ā Itās misery.
People here arenāt dumb or unexposed. Most have tried DART ā they just found it slower, less reliable, and less safe than driving. When they travel to New York or Chicago and rent a car, itās not ignorance ā itās preference for convenience and flexibility. You also know nothing about me as I gladly gave up hand-schlepping groceries down the street to have the freedom to load them in my car instead.
So yeah, Dallas doesnāt need lectures about ānot knowing better.ā The reality is: transit here doesnāt compete with driving for the vast majority of people. Pretending otherwise doesnāt change the math.
QuantumS0up@reddit
Lol @ people talking down on you for being passionate. That kind of attitude/behavior is part of the reason things stay the same. But people like you who both give a damn and try to do something about it are what helps drives real change.
Keep it up brother, don't let the assholes gaslight you into being one of them. As a longtime resident and a non-driver, I totally agree with & support this initiative.
Also, since I saw some interesting commentary on it: DART is generally fine & normal in my experience. Sitting near or witnessing poor people does not equal danger. I've met scarier folks at Trader Joe's on Knox/Henderson than I ever ran into taking DART. Sure it's not without flaw or issues by any means, but damn. You just gotta have some situtational awareness & know places to avoid (esp. being a woman, as I am), which applies to literally every transit system I've ever been on in any major city.
Anyways, not saying all that because I don't think people should criticize - they 100% should, and it's valid to fight for betterment. I just hate seeing that used as an excuse to de-prioritize public transit when it should really be a top prio for this city.
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
Hey, I really appreciate it.
I don't let the assholes get me down. I just feel sorry for them and their pitiful lack of imagination.
Hope you have an awesome weekend!
Competitive_Cheek607@reddit
Everyone currently reading this will be dead before that happens, and thatās if we started tomorrow
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
Bullshit.
Greenville Avenue was a shithole just a little over ten years ago. It's now an urban powerhouse that many, many people want to live near and spend time on.
The pace is set by how much people push for it, and a growing number of advocates in Dallas' urbanist community are.
Take this loser attitude to Plano where it belongs.
azwethinkweizm@reddit
Greenville Ave also benefitted from a late night hours overlay that allowed the city to weed out bad businesses who enabled crime.
Competitive_Cheek607@reddit
Iām sorry man, Iām not saying I like it or that itās better like it is, but it would take an unrealistic amount of people to be on the same page to make it happen. From everyday folk, business owners, real estate owners, mayor, Congress, everybody. That amount of work would be monumentally expensive, the planning and implementation would take a generation that nobody right now would be willing to put up with for the future payoff. The system we have is not great but itās already there and too easy to keep doing it this way. If cars became too expensive to own, and crime disappeared overnight, it would be more reasonable. I have a friend whoās a bigger proponent for de-carification than anyone I know, but it would take the vast majority agreeing on it, and we all know how Americans are when it comes to agreeing on anything
lost_in_trepidation@reddit
I always kind of liked Greenville Avenue, even though the actual road is horrendous.
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
Yeah, they need to remove all the cars from it and make it a pedestrianized zone.
Diggy_Fresh@reddit
Greenville avenue has barely changed in the past 10 years. I know because I live on it.
Thats just taking photos at two different places
ThisCharmingDan99@reddit
Yea, was thinking the same lol
Delicious_Hand527@reddit
No it was not! it was the party street of Dallas. Now it's more walkable (in certain places), quite a bit more lame, quite a bit safer, and quite a bit more expensive. When the update the corner that connects to Henderson (Henderson was up & coming for the past 20 years) then we'll be making some progress.
Furrealyo@reddit
That ship has sailed. Sorry.
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
Bullshit.
The City of Dallas passed Forward Dallas last year, which is a comprehensive city planning guide that will help improve density.
The city also recently significantly relaxed its parking minimums, which will also help bring housing costs down and improve walkability, especially within a half mile of transit where there are now no minimum parking requirements.
The state actually did one good thing and has allowed for building apartments in any commercially zoned area.
DART, with the help of advocates from the Dallas Area Transit Alliance, was able to stave off an existential threat in the state legislature and other failed cities trying to de-fund transit to make a quick buck.
The city of Dallas passed its bike plan, which will help better connect Dallas with bike lanes and other bike facilities that people on bikes, scooters, and similar can use to get around without driving.
All of this hinges on people not being wimps and giving up, of course, and I have no intention of doing that.
That ship has not sailed. If anything, it's the suburban lifestyle ship that's sailing away. And if it doesn't, I'm going to torpedo that bitch.
Furrealyo@reddit
I appreciate your passion, but until DART can get the basics right, they canāt be trusted to do the hard stuff.
My company actively warns visitors against using DART at all. Too many issues for visitors accustomed to safe mass transit in their home countries.
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
The cheapest and most effective way for a public place to be safer is for more people to be there. Even if DART does nothing differently, more density of housing and jobs in Dallas will increase usage of transit.
But DART has been working on safety, mainly through the contract security officers. It's not enough, but it's what they can do with the resources they have. They'll have more resources when more people ride transit. It's a real chicken-and-egg problem.
And still, DART is only one component of all of this. Housing, jobs, and retail all in close proximity of each other is a win and will drive needed reforms.
Furrealyo@reddit
I sincerely wish you the best of luck.
Have a nice weekend.
Redsupplier@reddit
Itās a long road ahead for sure but Iāll be damned before I give up on my city.Ā
TakeATrainOrBusFFS@reddit
Love this comment. Keep it up.
yarmulke@reddit
Defeatism is wonderful, isnāt it?
diggie_diggie_diggie@reddit
Sorry best I can do is suburbs all the way to the Oklahoma border
Kiak900@reddit
Well im moving to Dallas soon
IMnotGARBAGE@reddit
I just moved here and love it lol
ihatemendingwalls@reddit
Welcome! Everyone on reddit is too stupid to realize that they've just fallen into a woke way to hate immigration (because all populism is the same), but here in the real world, more people makes cities better! Hope you enjoy itĀ
RefuseOk7061@reddit
Donāt worry. Nobody wants to move to Dallas.
manzanabanana01@reddit
iāve been born and raised in dtx, got my license at 17 literally no such thing as rush hour in my area. Iām 25 now and gawd fucking dayum everyone moving here ruined it 100000%. I fucking hate texas now and am planning to move out of here. Itās gotten way more jam packed and ghetto. I donāt even leave my house anymore cus of them.
erod100@reddit
Dallas will never be a āgreat thrivingā cityā¦.. we need a car for everything here š
khz30@reddit
You need a car for any major city in the US that isn't New York City, that isn't unique to Dallas.
popcornlulu11@reddit
Iām trashing kansas city too on yelp. Too many fucking people moving there from cali or east coast because its āaffordableā and the dumbass kc chiefs
KarmaLeon_8787@reddit
I get that. I used to live there, have thought about moving back, but just can't. The vibe has changed and I don't think I'd enjoy it as much.
KarmaLeon_8787@reddit
Except I love the Chiefs so I'd be surrounded once again by "my people."
sainticarus000@reddit
When that silver line opens up and the growing amount of influencers start talking about public transport its #over
purgance@reddit
Me trashing Dallas on Yelp because Dallas sucks and it's fun.
suk_ya_mudda@reddit
I regret moving here. If anyone is willing to sponsor my exit by all means
Sully_858@reddit
Donāt worry, Trumpās gonna send in the guard to clean up Dallas!
worstpartyever@reddit
Nobody moves to Dallas because they want to.
StankoMicin@reddit
I did once. Now im moving out
worstpartyever@reddit
lol, see!
justmeandmyrobot@reddit
Iām thinking about it.
world_admin@reddit
Very few beg to disagree. You should have put "Almost" at the beginning of your statement.
2jzo@reddit
I did cause fuck Houston weather
worstpartyever@reddit
Itās a slightly drier heat
waitwhathowsway@reddit
i saw that doct, of this woman bish was crazy crazy with her own kid!!!
Infamous_Grass6333@reddit
The traffic has gotten insane in the last three years. People Dallas is hot and boring please move elsewhere. K thx.
wepfetty@reddit
You'd have to be desperate or just plain stupid to want to move to Texas.
lawskooldreamin@reddit
Texas is very populated, you are bound to see Texas license plates everywhere. Means nothing.
JinFuu@reddit
Wrong
Very Wrong
Like, last thing I want is more people moving here but your anecdotal evidence is wrong.
EZdubs4you@reddit
Imagine thinking your yelp review has an impact on peoples decisions š
Ordinary-Scar-3435@reddit
Youāre at least a decade too late
TheRealNemosirus@reddit
Can't smoke weed legally.
Fluffy-Cantaloupe236@reddit
Omg ok Iām on board
SpeedSignal7625@reddit
As if Yelp can be trusted
DaWetone@reddit
I donāt think anyone in their right minds would want to move to Texas
munchunchies@reddit
The thought process of this post w/ the picture is actually perfectš
PaleAbbreviations950@reddit
Genius
Glass-Response7144@reddit
If people think that people in Dallas look like you, then you can quit typing.
Hallokatzchen@reddit
I get it
BUT
Why you wanna talk shit about my hometown like that? ššš
hydropenguin69@reddit
She looks like Quasimodo
Robo_e@reddit
I feel so terrible for the little girl and she still wants to have a relationship with her mother even though she told her to kill herself. So fucked up
robyculous_v2@reddit
Do it on Reddit, bigger audience.
I_SmellFuckeryAfoot@reddit
i dont work. been doing it since early 2k
New_Hippo3892@reddit
Yall talk a lot of crap about dfw⦠I think you will regret leaving it when you see other places
Zerodegreez@reddit
Already have, DFW is so overrated even Texans think it's good, and they have zero taste.
Unfair_Assignment759@reddit
Aināt nobody want to move to Dallas š
RepresentativeAd1181@reddit
Yo f that B.
AdvertisingTasty1887@reddit
Please explain what you mean by ācultural identityā? Dallas is multicultural and moderate politically, but there isnāt a single predominate culture. Iād rather live where there is multiculturalism, so I can enjoy the best of everything. Dallas is no New York, and unfortunately in a Red State. Itās the State politics that are atrocious.
Content-Two-9834@reddit
Ya need to give your bf more bee jays
Embarrassed-Ad8477@reddit
If you look at the data your strategy seems to be working to a certain degree
AnotherAnonymousA@reddit
Wow, she looks like a high schooler in a small town!
55tacos55pies@reddit
Dallas should kill itself. It's ft worth's fingers, my mouth and pussy.
Kahedhros@reddit
What the actual fuck lol
SeaMikki@reddit
They're quoting the lady from the documentary, it's funny. Duh š
Kahedhros@reddit
Oh, I assumed she was a random meme or something. Who is she?
SeaMikki@reddit
She's a crappy mom from Unknown Number: The High School Catfish on Netflix
MonsterMMA_@reddit
Don't spoil it!
eddymarkwards@reddit
You are doing Gods work.
Dallas_Trophy_L663@reddit
what's your goal with this?
DescriptionBubbly934@reddit
Catfish are in most any river! Can't bevel my old ass knows who this woman is.
CybReader@reddit
Sending abusive texts to the neighbors you want to move.
firetomherman@reddit
I'll settle for people not running every single red light ever . I'm talking everywhere I go, every single time. I don't even drive that much so I can only imagine how much more it happens.
dallascowboysgirl@reddit
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TrustHucks@reddit
Come for the bed bugs, leave with the genital warts
AudibleNod@reddit
Itchy City
bebopgamer@reddit
I feel like TX GOP is already working overtime on this goal
MemoryOfRagnarok@reddit
There are NO jobs here. Do not come here.Ā
MineralWaterMike@reddit
Anyone ever see hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy?
Maharba19@reddit
Lmao! This story is so Incomprehensible
jwfowler2@reddit
It really is. That poor kid.
Solomonopolistadt@reddit
They can move here from other countries, just not from within the country
Confusedsoul2292@reddit
Lmao!!!!
Bussman500@reddit
Fort Worth does blow jobs, thatās why you donāt move to Dallas