Why are Liberals so delusional about reality?
Posted by gaminggunn@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 94 comments
I have stupidly been getting on democrat majority subs and have been debating with people on all the popular topics. Every time it seems instead of debating me, they are hell bent on trying to diagnose me for some mental disorder. Ill say something along the lines of, "I dont want to be forced to believe that a man can be a woman but you do what you want." And im met with, "Are you a transphobe bigot?" No... no i dont have an irrational fearful of transgender people. Moreso i just think i shouldnt be forced to think the same way you do.
It goes on and on for every topic. No im not a racist. My wife is black. I dont hate gay people. I have gay friends. I dont think men are superior to women. I actually think my wife is better than me in some ways and i am in others. I dont think we should harm, threaten, or do any damages towards any minority group. I just want freedom to choose without big brother breathing down my neck making sure I dont think incorrectly.
pickledradish123@reddit
Welcome to the club bro you are 10 years late
Jombes_Industries@reddit
The trans thing is a transparent psy op.
mello-t@reddit
Extreme either way is out of touch with reality. Sally, the whole trans thing is such an edge case. It’s not even worth debating. But it’s somehow become a banner issue.
Notworld@reddit
Good way to divide us.
ecleipsis@reddit
Republicans do this as well but for different topics. It’s not just democrats dude
IndependentName9@reddit
I think the biggest hill Republicans will die on is the military. So delusional. But literally life times (plural) of propaganda
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Yeah.... kinda. Its not as bad but yeah they do it too.
LlVlNG_COLOR@reddit
Yeah you are just a partisan hack then imo. Maga has done way more to attack libertarian values in less than a year than Biden did in 4
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
I agree. Trump is very very bad
BassAckwards31@reddit
Why can’t a man choose to be a woman? “You do what you want” but only as long as it doesn’t make you uncomfortable? Nobody’s asking you to become a woman. What the hell do you care?
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
No? Do what you want. A man can do that. I dont agree that hes correct and I think hes got a problem in his brain thats not his fault necessarily but nah go ahead susan.
BassAckwards31@reddit
Why do you think anyone gives a shit about what you think is “correct”?
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
When did I say I cared if anyone gave a shit? Are you just arguing for the sake of contrarianism?
Accomplished-Car7811@reddit
You must care otherwise you wouldn’t have created an entire post, complaining about people not agreeing with you, not agreeing with others. Smh 🙄
BassAckwards31@reddit
You cared enough to post on Reddit, meanwhile the President is considering stripping them of constitutional rights. What’s next, stripping them of citizenship? Before you say that’s a straw man argument, imagine what you would’ve responded if someone said “what’s next, taking away constitutional rights?” when trans people were banned from the military (illegally).
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Um. Who said I endorse any of that? You're putting words in my mouth and proving my point. Youre not actually listening to what I believe. Youre putting trumps face on my post and getting mad that I dont agree with your opinion of morals. Like seriously. How hard is it to understand. Do whatever the absolute fuck you wanna do. Idc if you put on a top hat and call yourself Mickey Mouse. Thats not my problem. Its when you make it my problem that I have an issue. Thankfully so far I haven't had to deal with that personally and yeah if a dude comes up to me and introduces himself as a woman, ill probably roll my eyes and say ma'am and then move on with my life.
This is truly ridiculous that you get so mad and upset at me for something the president did that I have literally no control over nor do I endorse it.
Please let's stop making assumptions about other people's ideas.
BassAckwards31@reddit
And you think the intolerant behavior of you (rolling eyes at hypothetical people that you’ve never met) and people that agree with you has absolutely nothing to do with this administration stripping constitutional rights away from Americans?
restinb1tch@reddit
It's just as bad. You're probably just ok with whatever extreme ideologies they're pushing.
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Why do i get down voted for agreeing? Lol
Thirsty_llama@reddit
Because you half agreed.
Both parties are trash and try to force their philosophy down your throat. Whats happening with the current administration is imo worse than anything democrats have pushed. This is the largest infringement on our rights in my lifetime. The constitution is a joke to them.
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Ok. Gotcha well I think it was cuz I was purely talking about The People not the politicians. But if we are including politicians then I agree the right is worse. Left followers worse than right followers. Right leaders worse than left leaders. Maybe that'll be more acceptable to people lol
neogeek23@reddit
We'll see in a couple of years. The group in cultural power is always the worst about this sort of thing. Republicans just haven't practically been able to be this oppressive.
Newgidoz@reddit
-Phobic as a suffix has referred to things besides fear for over a century now
See: xenophobia
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
No no i dont have an irrational fearful or hatred of transgender people.
Better Nancy?
Majestic-Bluejay3057@reddit
Their leaders said masks worked, stay six feet apart, but the infection is not air borne, that someone with a bullet through the heart that has Covid died from Covid, that elderly people with Covid should go back to their independent living center, that there were no problems at the border, that border agents were whipping people, that fentanyl wasn’t a real issue, doctors should increase the dosage of Oxytocin that patient is suffering from faux addiction not real addiction, America has original sin of slavery although they cannot name a single country or native group that didn’t have slavery in the 1500’s, or tell us why the slaves sold at the coast were sold be Africans or that more potential slaves died on their march from east Africa across the Sahara to their eventual Moslem masters, or that the male slaves in Moslem countries were not castrated but had everything down there removed, or that their good moslem nation friends didn’t end slavery until 1968, & that it is gone with a wink and a nod. They support such a party and have drunk the koolaid so fully they really can’t think they only know what they are told.
gank_me_plz@reddit
Here my 2C it’s
they believe that government is the answer to all their problems without ever evaluating the outcomes of governments performance on anything.
They believe all the politicians who virtue signal
They don’t understand incentives and believe laws can fix anything
They don’t understand human nature and how people In power are corrupted by their need to stay in power
Dbl_Dees_Ranch@reddit
govt is their religion
Background-Agent955@reddit
Hate is maga's religion
Dbl_Dees_Ranch@reddit
i think its ok to hate communists, ppl have been pushed far enough. Ive seen just as much hate from both sides though.
Background-Agent955@reddit
You wouldn't know a communist if he hit you with american flag at the capitol on Jan 6
Dbl_Dees_Ranch@reddit
are you a communist?
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Depends. There's the economic maga and then theres the social/moral maga. Social moral maga is hate. Economic maga are just basic quasi ignorant -capitalists. You dont have to agree with the social ideas to agree with the Economics, which is where I stand. Fuck every social or moral law hes passed. Economically I think its better than biden but he definitely pulled the Ole bait and switch on me for the BBB. I was really looking forward to good tax cuts and he just had to go and fuck it all up and try to sneakily only highlight the positive spin on it.
moedexter1988@reddit
Statism. Goes for any party especially the duopoly.
Dbl_Dees_Ranch@reddit
agreed same sickness. Definitely, Im enjoying the pingtr1p saga, real maga is anti corruption. Im for the constitution I beleive if we had consequences got trampling it there’d be less problems
BrStEd@reddit
Bingo!
rst777@reddit
Since you say your wife is black, then let's replace being trans with something that was also not accepted before, interracial marriage. Imagine I didn't believe in interracial marriage. I'm not racist, I just don't think I should be forced to accept that a white man and black woman could be married. So I'm just going to refer to your wife as your girlfriend.
I'm sure it would feel a bit disrespectful and your wife may feel hurt or angry that people will not acknowledge her as your wife. How would you feel? Would you correct me? Would you accept my opinion? Maybe I'm delusional to think that you would stand up for your wife?
There are people out there who look at your interracial marriage and are disgusted by it. Liberals want people to be who they are and love who they love. Those people made the world you live in today where interracial marriage is completely normal and the people who disapprove live in the shadows and keep their opinions to themselves. And, I really would hope that you would be proud to be married to your wife enough to stand up for her just like the people you are debating are trying to stand up for their people.
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
I wouldnt give a single fuck and neither would she. Weve actually been in a situation like that befors because i live in the south. Oh yeah buddy i experienced some racism in modern day from my own race. Lol. Why would we let an idiots words bother us? I get called the wrong name sometimes and I dont even correct them. Why? Because its not offensive. This victim hood culture is so destructive. Like for real get over yourself that you get so mad that you actually hurt someone or hate someone for it. Hate will always exist. There's no law to abolish it. You're not gonna educate it out of them.
Funny thing is, I dont even dislike these people and I dont desire to disrespect them. But I ask for respect because racism is not the same as not endorsing a fake reality. Im.not even trying to stop people. Im not actively talking to legislators or telling people they arent allowed to do that or join any online petition or protest. Im simply saying. Hey man, dont force me to participate in the delusion here. I get it. Its not their fault that they feel they are not in the right body and that theres some disconnect there. But let's not promote the disorder further. That seems counterproductive.
Its become sensationalized. Like parents starting transitioning their children before they are adults with a fully formed frontal lobe (the party of the brain responsible for movement, memory, thinking, and social skills. It's also key for executive functions, which are cognitive skills like planning, organizing, and controlling responses to achieve goals.) I said when I was a kid that I wanted to be a dog. When I was a kid it was a game. For some kids now it starts becoming reality. Like does that part of it not kinda make you a little worried that maybe its going a little too extreme? Again im not telling you that youre not allowed to do any of this stuff but I think sex work amd drugs should be legal but I dont do those either.
Just think about it. My opinion is not gonna bite you...
rst777@reddit
But then why are you offended when someone calls you transphobic? I think that's where the disconnect is. It's totally fine if you have your opinions and others have theirs. But you're in here calling people delusional for having an opinion that you don't understand just as they don't understand where you're coming from. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Your opinion is not gonna bite me but why are you letting their opinions bite you? Just let them call you a transphobic, racist, bigot and move on?
The whole point I was trying to make was, if you really believe people should be able to have their opinions, then why call someone delusional for having an opinion about you?
kentankerous@reddit
It speaks highly of your character - if as it sounds to me is how it actually is - that your definition of winning is for both sides to admit there’s no winning.
I personally mostly find allegations that people who feel they’ll be marginalized or persecuted for perceived thought crimes to be mostly that—allegations. This explains why I describe your behavior to engage in these discussions with these audiences as at least button pushing if not just plain provocation. Luckily it’s the internet so who cares. I’m sure I can come off as smug and sanctimonious myself, again we’re in the right place for that sort of thing I guess. Sp, carry on.
kentankerous@reddit
Indeed. Liberals are endowed with the same rights. Push people’s buttons, they’ll push yours. We may be looking at each other in a funhouse mirror. You’re essentially asking “why is this whole class of people so crazy that when I provoke them they call me crazy?”
What does winning this argument look like to you? What outcome are you striving for?
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
For both sides to at least understand each other's viewpoint and not just assume that Im against everything you stand for.
eatintrees@reddit
“I just want freedom to choose without big brother breathing down my neck making sure I don’t think incorrectly”
So why wouldn’t you want this to apply to all humans? Who cares what gender they identify as? Isn’t that the whole point of being libertarian? Freedom to think and make decisions for yourself? Nobody is forcing you to be transgender so why put so much effort into convincing others to think like you?
I see why “liberals” think you might have a mental disorder you seem to have trouble listening to your own words.
Nemo68v2@reddit
In defense of OP, libertarianism is about small/no government.
It's perfectly fine for libertarians to hold strong views on how others behave - even if their actions are non-coercive.
For example, there's a trans-youtuber who regularly live streams his meals at restaurants. When servers mistaking misgender him, the guy causes a massive fit and shames the server - despite the servers having no malice. Is this guy within his rights? Yes. Should we not condemn him as libertarians because he's acting within his rights? No, we should call out his bad behavior. Does that mean the government should get involved, of course not!
Libertarians are allowed to be opinionated. What breaks libertarian ideology is support for government involvement.
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Im confused as to where you're getting this idea, but im forcing people to behave. i want it? Morally, personally, I dont agree with how we are currently handling gender dysphoria. I think it's delusional yo play into it. Regardless of that. I personally am not going to try to tell you, you're not allowed to get surgery. Im not gonna advocate for any laws against that person. Im not gonna advocate for laws for them either. I dont have to agree with you to treat you like anyone else. But im not gonna treat you higher or with favoritism either. That's stupid af. If you dont have to accept your sex then I dont have to accept your gender. We disagree, but im not infringing on your rights to say, "Yeah, I dont think this is right."
BastiatF@reddit
And here you are doing the "liberal" thing: putting words in his mouth he never uttered and questioning his sanity. He wants the freedom to think and say what he wants. He has reasons to be concerned as there are many western countries where you can be arrested for stating biological facts.
kentankerous@reddit
Understand your epistemology. Trans people should not be forced by their government to have to live what they see to be a lie. In the absence of any actual physical or material harm that they're doing to you, then you have no claim on allowing the monopoly on force known as the government to prevent them from living their lives. In the public realm ,if you're providing a service, if you truly believe in the principles of least or absence of harm means let others live their lives, then you're out of line with your stated philosophy. Maybe try this question in a conservative republican sub? You sound like a cristofascist.
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
In no way shape or form do I ever endorse the government to dictate what someone can or cannot do with their own body. Does disagreeing morally make me a fascist?
kentankerous@reddit
Absolutely not. But if you've heartily accepted that you don't get to dictate terms to others to live their lives, then why lead with an issue where you feel you have moral qualms? We're less than a full generation out from the reversal of laws that would result in people going to jail for living their own truth in many states of the US - so by bringing it up, it sounds like you're trying to re-litigate that. Why go around pushing people's buttons?
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Because I have the right to an opinion and I have a right to freely express my opinion, same as you. I dont like legislation that takes away anyone's rights but that doesn't mean I have to be silent about what I believe personally.
exoninja88@reddit
Here's a scientific explanation
Bossgarlic@reddit
That's just a tweet with most of the important words and sources cut out
exoninja88@reddit
The important part is the image, I just posted a image with some context to what the image was, because I thought it would be courteous to give people an idea of what it was without having to Google image search, perhaps you should smoke a joint, you might just relax enough to pull that stick out of your ass
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Do you have blunts instead?
exoninja88@reddit
Nah, I got a caviar 1.5gram though, those bad boys will make you aware of every single nerve ending in your body and give you the ability to hyper focus on a single part of your body, from that point you can move that focus throughout your body like electricity, the effects are further improved by rushes 2112 album or sometimes sabbath bloody sabbath, when the mollusk would function aswell, you can join the rotation if you aren't one of the weirdos that downvoted of course
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
If youre talking about a strain of weed and not some other drug then count me in kol
exoninja88@reddit
Kaviar joints are these like high end joints that come with a glass piece on the filter so you don't burn your fingers, the flower is soaked in hash oil and covered with kief, they burn super slow too, definitely worth the premium you pay
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Oh god that sounds so nice. I live in texas so I can only get those little disposable vapes. Well I mean I could get actual weed but thats for when I go hang with the boys on the weekend. (Wife's got rules about weed smells in the house. Which is fair especially with having kids)
exoninja88@reddit
I actually got a stoner buddy in Texas that I play online with, living a state or so over i was appalled at the state of our country hearing you still need a dealer down there, in the 249th year of the land of the free i cant smoke a joint in Texas, but I can drink a handle of jack and beat my kids, founding fathers would be pissed
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Im stealing this
boulhouech@reddit
i think both liberals and conservatives are equally delusional about the truth..both bend reality to match their beliefs, each side clinging to its own illusions. in today’s polarized climate, that distortion only grows stronger... for me, this is why i lean toward libertarian philosophy.. it feels like the only space where common sense still has a place.. and the idea is simple.. whatever people believe, it shouldn’t be forced on others through government power or its institutions..
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
I agree 100% I think I just see it more from liberals because well tbh they get way more upset about the social issues than conservatives typically unless you find that one redneck dude. Plus the violent protesting over the years has been pretty... uh destructive and chaotic. Most protests obviously dont go that way but the liberal populace seems more radical than the conservative populace. However I think the actual government officials on both sides are equally radical. I just dont thinj the general population reflects that. Idk maybe I just haven't seen where these conservatives hang out. I am on reddit after all so there's bound to be much. More exposure to liberal ideology.
SoftcoreSavagee@reddit
Tbh bro, the issue is ur framing. u can say “I don’t hate X group” but the way it comes across sounds dismissive of their identity/struggles, so ppl jump straight to labels instead of actual convo. not saying it’s fair, just how online debates go.
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Yeah I mean I know this fundamentally. We will never get full perspective pf someone's ideas just based through random text interactions with no other content of who you are talking to or even their tone.
weekendWarri0r@reddit
I think that the funniest thing ever is that around 2010-2012, I read an arrival about how wealthy conservatives were happy when their kids were trans, because that was better than being gay. They saw transsexuals as having a mental disorder, that was better than socially for the family’s. The democrats started using trans issues against conservatives.. and it worked. Conservatives hate trans people now. People need to start thinking for themselves. Lol.
OP why do you need to believe a man can be a woman? Can’t we all just live freely, in anyway we can that doesn’t hurt others?
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Totally. Do whatever you want. But personally I feel its delusional but I mean im not gonna try to push a law to say you cant go get surgery or whatever the case may be. I just personally disagree with how we are handling it.
Dephyle@reddit
Liberal checking in: someone being transgender is inherently something a true Libertarian would agree with, or at the very least not be against. It falls right in line with "do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else." Oh boo hoo, someone asked you to call them by a preferred pronoun. Get over it. You don't get to decide what they want to be called, and a true Libertarian should be cool with that.
At the end of the day, no one gives a shit if you "believe a man can be a woman," they just want basic human respect. If you want to be called he, go for it. If someone that's trans asks to be called by a pronoun I may not have assumed, go for it.
No one's asking you to believe what they believe, they're asking you not to be a cunt, which is a core Libertarian belief.
electronbabies@reddit
I'm going to speak for myself, but I bet most people here would agree with this. When it comes to being a Libertarian, its in regards to government policy not what you do in your own private / social life. To me you can dislike something, not embark in it, think the idea is total shit and push for its removal as long as you leave the government out of it (and not do it by force) and it'd still be Libertarian.
Please do not think I think this at all specific to the transgender situation. I couldn't care less about anything other than the way you treat me and other people. I just wanted to acknowledge difference between social construct and government enforcement which I feel like is lost in what you said.
But you're absolutely right about being able to think people are cunts :) I'd argue "They're asking you not to be a cunt, which is a core Libertarian belief" might have been phrased poorly.
Dephyle@reddit
See, this is my argument. You and I are saying the same thing. In social construct, no one has ever said that you as an individual need to agree with LBGTQ+ or any other community. We as progressives just believe that those people's private lives shouldn't preclude them from the same rights as anyone else. If someone enters a consentual adult relationship and wants the same rights as any other consentual adult relationship, why should the government deny that? If someone in a social construct asks to be called by something, the government shouldn't have any bearing on if the people around them are civil enough to respect that.
electronbabies@reddit
Generally speaking, when people identify themselves as "progressive", it almost, if not always means expansion of the government.
I think the only thing the government denies as far as relationships go in what you're speaking is marriage. Ya that's bullshit. Government should just stay out of marriage though. I literally saw an argument on Reddit yesterday saying a valid reason to get married is for the tax breaks. I dunno about you, that doesn't sound like the most sound idea lol
Does the government have any pull on how people refer to one another with pronouns and the such? I wouldn't support that, but I definitely feel like there would be a lot more uproar everywhere being anti free speech if they did.
dreimanatee@reddit
Yeah I have a hard time with people who are libertarian except they are just republicans but don't want the stigma. I said I believe in gay rights and my buddy who is a "libertarian" (straight up conservative) told me that gay people need to stop forcing gayness on him. I'm like bro are they making you wanna suck pp?
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Well as I said in my post, I have gay friends. Maybe your friend is a closet republican but there are actually libertarians who actually dont care what you do at all. Wanna be a prostitute, cool. Wanna go snort some coke at home, whatever you want dude. You wanna cut your pp off and call yourself a woman, ok. Like none of these issues effect me. Im not bothered by them. But if someone starts yelling at me that I have to call them by tonka truck engine, imma either say no and leave or probably laugh and walk away. I aint about to argue with someone who is clearly out of their mind.
That said. You wanna buy a gun to protect yourself from criminals and possible tyranny? Hell yeah. You wanna go join the free market and start a business. More power to ya!
You wanna take away money that I earned and redistribute it to soneone who prefers to sit on their couch all day instead of get a job? Hell no. Wanna tell me I have to stay locked in my house for months on end hoping to god I dont lose my sanity just in case I get sick? Sounds like a step towards tyranny to me.
I could go on and on but basically let people do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else that includes all the little permiscuous things that Republicans despise. Most tax is theft. True free market capitalism is a much better alternative to any other presented and tried economy system.
There now I think ive sufficiently covered this "Libertarians are just republicans in disguise" idea. If you have further questions for an actual libertarian and not some phony, feel free to ask.
Dephyle@reddit
Exactly. I used to consider myself Libertarian, until I realized that I support our government giving sick/poor people access to basic human rights like food, shelter, and government. People miss the fact that Libertarians and Progressives want the same thing, with the exception that I believe my taxes should go to helping society, where a Libertarian doesn't believe in taxes. Literally everything else aligns. Just let people be people.
The Republicans in Libertarian clothing would never agree, but that's fine, I'm allowed to think they're cunts!
electronbabies@reddit
They don't believe in forcing people to pay taxes based on other people's opinions of where their money should go, especially when you see politicians and all these assholes basically stealing it from them, putting it to war, etc.
The problem with having commodities as rights is that somebody has to supply the commodities. If they are not willing to supply them, they have to be taken by force. Its a slippery slope.
no-reel-fo-real@reddit
Someone can ask, and anyone can refuse to comply with that request. Shouldn’t decision that also be respected? Boo hoo. The real question is whether the government steps in and enforces those to comply.
Dephyle@reddit
That's the fun thing about being Libertarian, so you might as well get used to it. You're free to refuse, I'm free to think you're a cunt.
AYE-BO@reddit
Except liberals 100% want to legislate away anyones ability to be what they would consider a cunt
no-reel-fo-real@reddit
And I’m free to think you’re insane, which makes your opinion of me a cunt essentially pointless.
Conscious_Ad3246@reddit
I think you too missed his point. He is not talking about the individuals but the idea that the government should not force him to comply.
He says he does not rly care about someone being a transman or non binary or whatever. He might affirm or not based on his interactions or whatever but on principle does not oppose. Op´s problem is with the idea that the state should force him with punishment to do so. That is what he thinks is weird.
Most libertarians even the religious ones support or atleast are not against Transpeople simply based on libertarianism. To stop someone expressing themselves as long as no other person is harmed etc. would be against libertarian principles in any normal situation.
Dephyle@reddit
I mean, I guess that's a decent enough strawman. Counterpoint: when has the government ever forced you personally to acknowledge someone that's trans? What exactly are the legal ramifications of calling someone by their gender assigned at birth? I'll answer that one, it's nothing. Freedom of speech already has this covered, and no one is trying to take that away.
no-reel-fo-real@reddit
Canada compelled speech checking in.
College sports checking in.
Schools/doctors attempting to override parents decisions over their children checking in.
Bathroom policies checking in.
Dephyle@reddit
I'm not Canadian and can't speak to their policy and I don't feel like going into it,so I'm fine conceding there.
Less than .002% of NCAA athletes are trans, (10/500,000). So that isn't even a significant issue to be worried about. And even if it was, I don't see why it matters. Does a CIS woman that has a naturally high testosterone count not get to compete? PCOS is incredibly common, and even insulin resistance can cause high testosterone. It isn't an issue, has never been an issue, and trans people aren't hurting anyone by competing.
Schools and doctors supporting children having the basic human rights of bodily autonomy is at most a Libertarian gray area, and in general something they should support.
Bathroom policies? People are just trying to poop, man. And statically, my child is in far more danger from a CIS man than anyone that's trans.
GearJunkie82@reddit
Just be aware, you're probably arguing with bots majority of the time.
gaminggunn@reddit (OP)
Whats scary is that the bots are only imitating what actual people say to each other.
soupoftheday5@reddit
Lol I was looking for a bot on one of the main pages and I found someone who was likely a bot and their bio read something along the lines of "You're here because I made you mad"
gittenlucky@reddit
I feel you…. Every time someone finds out I’m libertarian, they ask me why I’m delusional about reality 🤣.
I have my beliefs, you have yours. The only moral solution is to let you live your life how you see fit and I live my life how I see fit. Somehow I’m the bad guy for wanting to leave people alone…
JamesMattDillon@reddit
Same and for wanting a smaller government.
Dephyle@reddit
See, this is my argument. You and I are saying the same thing. In social construct, no one has ever said that you as an individual need to agree with LBGTQ+ or any other community. We as progressives just believe that those people's private lives shouldn't preclude them from the same rights as anyone else. If someone enters a consentual adult relationship and wants the same rights as any other consentual adult relationship, why should the government deny that? If someone in a social construct asks to be called by something, the government shouldn't have any bearing on if the people around them are civil enough to respect that.
youtalkfunny@reddit
I'll debate you bitch
TruthMcBane@reddit
Yes. Vast swathes of Reddit have been made uninhabitable, as it were, by progressives. Two things: first, Trump has right and truly broken their brains. Not sure if this is mendable. Second, progressives appear to be constitutionally unable to understand second-order effects. This to me is the biggest barrier to engagement and understanding.
Lokitusaborg@reddit
It is easier to throw out an emotional ad hominem attack than it is to actually defend a position
crispicity@reddit
It’s a cult and it’s also Reddit. Hard to get a real sample group without the legitimate mental illness of preventing them from debate.
KingofPro@reddit
Because it’s easier to change the topic to name calling than to actually debate you.
Pristine_Context_429@reddit
It’s the progressive movement. They just hate everyone who doesn’t think like them. There kind of like chihuahuas, they just keep bark and never tire.
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