The decline was inevitable, but we could have embraced reality and actively managed our slow transition into just one of many large countries on the world stage, economically, politically, and militarily. Instead, we have let the greediest and most self-interested among us steer the ship directly into the jagged shoreline, all the while telling us that we will be even better off on the rocks.
There are several pundits who are credibly arguing in Trumps favor.
I only know that the US economy is collapsing. It has been since the dot.com bubble.
The Anglo-American Oligarchy continued to shift manufacturing to China for short term profits.
"Everyone" knew what this meant.
The war with Russia started under Obama so let's not be stupid. I'm not saying Trump is making it better. I am saying we have no idea how to crawl out of this mess.
They decline can be managed but the American political class and oligarchs are fighting it tooth and nail.
They hate the tariffs not out of concern for the average citizen but because it messes with their off-shored business model. Remember their attempt at passing the Trans Pacific Partnership? They would own all the manufacturing bases in the Pacific countries and sanction any who refused to give into such an unfavorable trade agreement.
They hate the idea of peace with Russia because the plan was to fracture Russia into small weak states who would sell all their resources for pennies like Romania and Bulgaria have been forced to or literally take by force like they did all the mineral rights from Serbia in Kosovo.
China would be forced to continue manufacturing everything for western corporations but surrounded by US nukes on three sides it would not be allowed to act sovereign.
But then the Russians decided to introduce the S-400 and Kinzhal hypersonics. The US nukes cannot get past sufficiently layered defenses of S-400s and US nukes cannot be protected from a decapitating strike by Kinzhals, Zircons and now Oreshnik missiles.
The people who formulate policy for the new administration are going for long term policy of Fortress America. Pull back forces spread around the world and control all the vulnerable points. US will station air defenses in Canada's north. It will increase them in Greenland and Alaska and will place it's troops both north and south of Panama canal.
The old ruling class of boomers that Trump belongs to age wise refused to develop America's mineral wealth and always thought they would keep taking resources from others by hook or crook. That is no longer an option. It was demonstrated in Yemen. US navy has lost it's ability to project US air and missile power off a coast of a targeted country.
The reason for the house of cards coming down quicker than expected is because the old establishment went all in on Ukraine Gambit without having done the proper prep and research. Putin played them like a fiddle, always being humble and acting borderline submissive while rebuilding not just Russia but her power abroad. Russian allies now have hypersonics while US and EU cannot figure out how to make them fly past 8 seconds. NATO is behind Yemen of all countries when it comes to missile and drone technology.
Trump unlike others understood this in his own way but he is unable to maneuver because the old US elites are prepared to commit ALL THE TREASON and twice on sunday just to sabotage the realignment of US role in the world.
Now, if only, you had mentioned the criminal Anglo-American Oligarchy, we'd be "kissin' cousins". LOL
I'm a boomer. I didn't get a vote in the direction the Oligarchy decided to take America. I didn't know enough "back then" to understand their criminal nature. I do now, but being an old fart, no one wants to listen to me.
Well the Anglo-American Oligarchy is who is fighting Trump. Remember the spying on his first campaign was ran out of the London Station of the CIA working hand in hand with MI6.
Trump represents the industrialist class of Oligarchs who have been suppressed by bankers and globalist trade multinational corporations. The line between corporatism and communism is very often blurred in how they treat those they have power over be it the workers or coerced trade ''partners''
For example look at how ruler of WEF acted, almost as if he was a walking God and installing puppets to run countries while bragging about it. Look at how Larry Fink of Blackrock acts. He was given 11 trillion by Obama administration and his companies have voting shares in almost every corporation on western stock exchanges. DEI was mandated by Blackrock which is why almost every corporation submitted to it without objections and purged their own best talent who opposed it.
One does not need to like Musk to realize he is a modern day industrialist akin to Henry Ford based on what he has done with automobile manufacturing, Starlink and even SpaceX. In less than one generation he became a successful rival to titans of those industries who were captive to international finance and influenced the military industrial complex of US to act in spite of US interests instead of always acting to deliver best outcomes for US interests.
Musk was able to get a 10 waiver on sanctions for ALL his manufacturing to keep importing aluminum and titanium from Russia under the Bidet Regime nevertheless. One of the reasons other EV manufacturers in the west have floundered is that they lost access to affordable alloys that Russia has a near world monopoly on and that Chinese were able to purchase with even bigger discounts now.
The war in Ukraine is not about who controls Kiev but who controls Donbass and Crimea. Because that is where the mineral wealth is. NATO could have moved it's troops into Lvov even before the war and no one would have cared. But they planned on sending their troops into Donbass specifically which is why Russia reacted to the last attack with an outright force in 2022.
The ideological and practical divide right now is that Anglo-American Oligarchy keeps insisting on continuing to gain the needed resources by force while American Industrialist Oligarchy is telling them that it is over and it is time to open up the mines in North America which has almost every needed resource except one. And for that resource they need to get on Russia's good side. Because Russia has a monopoly on this resource and it will not change. Any industrially developed country needs it if it wants to have advanced metallurgy.
Well the Anglo-American Oligarchy is who is fighting Trump.
Not really.
The Anglo-American Oligarchy is not homogenous. They are like the crime families you see in movies like "The Godfather". They fight amongst themselves.
It is interesting to me that you talk about the "American Industrialist Oligarchy". I'll have to think about that for a bit. Musk is not my hero though. I see how you believe he should be. Seems more like Rockefeller handing out candy to paupers on the street.
Or if you want to look at the TV series "Better Call Saul", Lalo was beloved by the people in his territory. It doesn't take that much to fool people.
What I see is something akin to the Oligarchs who could import booze during prohibition vs the ones who could not. Or the Corleone family opposition to drugs. "Honor among thieves so to speak".
Things kind of spin out of control from here. So I'll leave it at that.
I never said he should be anyone's hero. I pointed out that he should be recognized for being a modern day industrialist even by people who do not like him which could be applied even to myself.
I follow no man nor place them above me. This does not mean my pride should blind me to notice what rank others have achieved in their endeavors.
One does not need to like Trump to acknowledge his accomplishments either. To quote Jesus when the Pharisees tried a gotcha moment with him: Give onto Ceasar what is Ceasar's.
Henry Ford hated international bankers so much that he would rather the US align with Germany than communists who's regimes served the international bankers. He was an industrialist just like Firestone and Kingsford. Soviets after killing the Tzar sent to the west the world's largest gold treasury and carried out all trade with the west paying in gold. At that time gold mining was the most sought after resource and process. Russia was mining and sending ALL OF ITS GOLD to the western bankers while controlled by western installed terrorists who called themselves communists or Bolsheviks.
Similar to what we saw play out in Syria where a foreign funded, foreign operated terrorist regime seized power over the country and is now sending all the extracted resources to the west just like in Libya.
Ok, WRT Musk, I don't know how financing works at such a level. From my perspective, NASA was removed from being in charge of Space and it was all given to Musk. To me, it is nothing more than a privatization of Space. China and Russia seem to be advancing in that technology without having to "pay off" an Oligarch. Privatization has always been a "confidence scam".
Ford? Explain how the communists served international bankers. I thought they were arch-enemies.
I do find your interpretation of Bolsheviks interesting. It opens up a new way of saying "money isn't real" (something I subscribe to). Money is useful, but it is intangible and as such can disappear in a heartbeat if the "mass hallucination" that money is anything more than an IOU gets destroyed. (Something that I think is happening now with the dollar).
What an amazing way to look at events. Explains the ratlining of Uyghur terrorists to Syria and Jake Sullivan's email to Hillary. "Don't worry. al Qaeda is on our side now."
Now, is Ron Paul right? "There is no gold in Ft. Knox". So I'd be stupid to buy gold right now unless I held it in my hand.
This exchange has exploded so it probably makes no sense. I have a lot to think about though.
Leon Trotskiy is a person who has a real name. He worked on Wall Street. He was sent in as a logistics genius to sabotage Russia and murder the Tzar to steal the treasury. This is why his so called ''communist'' writings are incoherent. They were a cover for the heist and nothing else. His job was to seize the Russian Treasury which he did and fled with.
At that time the Russian rouble being gold backed was worth more than Pound Sterling or US Dollar. Which means that Russian economy was not crashing or weak at all. It had too much freedom and not enough safe guards against foreign funded terrorists and was not executing known traitors.
As for Musk he simply exposed how Boeing was delivering less than bare minimum while charging insane amounts. Anyone could have came in and done a better job which is why the billionaires who own other companies created their own alternative programs that they tried to package to NASA. Bezos and Branson.
Bankers created communism and socialism to destroy capitalism. Put all propaganda and brainwashing aside and consider what actual capitalism is. Raising capital to fund a new venture. That is how not just Columbus but other explorers traveled on voyages considered too risky by bankers who did not want to fund them. Industrial revolution in England happened in spite of bankers refusing to fund them. People pooled their savings instead of going to a bank for a loan.
Why would bankers allow individualism and private enterprise outside of totalitarian control be it through debt slavery of government dictat? Bankers' goals are same as communists and other totalitarian systems because the ultimate goal is total control which is antithesis to capitalism and individual rights listed in the constitution.
What is the first thing banned in communism, fascism, and other forms of socialism? The founding of private enterprise and even CREATING NEW MEANS OF PRODUCTION.
Look at the west currently where you have to obtain LICENSE from communist rulers to create new means of production because the communist rulers oppress everyone under the mandates of the bankers.
Can't say much about Boeing overcharging. I'd have to look into it more, and I don't want to. Just one crook exposing another crook to allow a third set of crooks appear to be economical. From my POV.
Bankers are capitalism.
What is China then?
capitalism and individual rights listed in the constitution.
Ah, we are universes apart here. Kinda depends on which stage of "capitalism" you are talking about. We are in end-state capitalism and the monopolists are doing their very best to extract "economic rents" (excess profits).
China surely isn't banning the founding of new businesses. So... are we talking about the same thing?
Look. We have a lot in common when you talk about 'bankers', but then you go "off the rails" with how bankers control everything -- except capitalism. At that point I'm "HUH?"
OGmoron@reddit
The decline was inevitable, but we could have embraced reality and actively managed our slow transition into just one of many large countries on the world stage, economically, politically, and militarily. Instead, we have let the greediest and most self-interested among us steer the ship directly into the jagged shoreline, all the while telling us that we will be even better off on the rocks.
AtosPortosAramis3@reddit
The tariffs and pulling back forces stationed overseas is part of embracing reality.
OGmoron@reddit
Don't start pretending there was some grand intentionality to any of these policies
AtosPortosAramis3@reddit
Why would I need to pretend about well known facts?
Listen2Wolff@reddit
Harris would not have stopped this.
There are several pundits who are credibly arguing in Trumps favor.
I only know that the US economy is collapsing. It has been since the dot.com bubble.
The Anglo-American Oligarchy continued to shift manufacturing to China for short term profits.
"Everyone" knew what this meant.
The war with Russia started under Obama so let's not be stupid. I'm not saying Trump is making it better. I am saying we have no idea how to crawl out of this mess.
AtosPortosAramis3@reddit
They decline can be managed but the American political class and oligarchs are fighting it tooth and nail.
They hate the tariffs not out of concern for the average citizen but because it messes with their off-shored business model. Remember their attempt at passing the Trans Pacific Partnership? They would own all the manufacturing bases in the Pacific countries and sanction any who refused to give into such an unfavorable trade agreement.
They hate the idea of peace with Russia because the plan was to fracture Russia into small weak states who would sell all their resources for pennies like Romania and Bulgaria have been forced to or literally take by force like they did all the mineral rights from Serbia in Kosovo.
China would be forced to continue manufacturing everything for western corporations but surrounded by US nukes on three sides it would not be allowed to act sovereign.
But then the Russians decided to introduce the S-400 and Kinzhal hypersonics. The US nukes cannot get past sufficiently layered defenses of S-400s and US nukes cannot be protected from a decapitating strike by Kinzhals, Zircons and now Oreshnik missiles.
The people who formulate policy for the new administration are going for long term policy of Fortress America. Pull back forces spread around the world and control all the vulnerable points. US will station air defenses in Canada's north. It will increase them in Greenland and Alaska and will place it's troops both north and south of Panama canal.
The old ruling class of boomers that Trump belongs to age wise refused to develop America's mineral wealth and always thought they would keep taking resources from others by hook or crook. That is no longer an option. It was demonstrated in Yemen. US navy has lost it's ability to project US air and missile power off a coast of a targeted country.
The reason for the house of cards coming down quicker than expected is because the old establishment went all in on Ukraine Gambit without having done the proper prep and research. Putin played them like a fiddle, always being humble and acting borderline submissive while rebuilding not just Russia but her power abroad. Russian allies now have hypersonics while US and EU cannot figure out how to make them fly past 8 seconds. NATO is behind Yemen of all countries when it comes to missile and drone technology.
Trump unlike others understood this in his own way but he is unable to maneuver because the old US elites are prepared to commit ALL THE TREASON and twice on sunday just to sabotage the realignment of US role in the world.
Listen2Wolff@reddit
Now, if only, you had mentioned the criminal Anglo-American Oligarchy, we'd be "kissin' cousins". LOL
I'm a boomer. I didn't get a vote in the direction the Oligarchy decided to take America. I didn't know enough "back then" to understand their criminal nature. I do now, but being an old fart, no one wants to listen to me.
OK then...
AtosPortosAramis3@reddit
Well the Anglo-American Oligarchy is who is fighting Trump. Remember the spying on his first campaign was ran out of the London Station of the CIA working hand in hand with MI6.
Trump represents the industrialist class of Oligarchs who have been suppressed by bankers and globalist trade multinational corporations. The line between corporatism and communism is very often blurred in how they treat those they have power over be it the workers or coerced trade ''partners''
For example look at how ruler of WEF acted, almost as if he was a walking God and installing puppets to run countries while bragging about it. Look at how Larry Fink of Blackrock acts. He was given 11 trillion by Obama administration and his companies have voting shares in almost every corporation on western stock exchanges. DEI was mandated by Blackrock which is why almost every corporation submitted to it without objections and purged their own best talent who opposed it.
One does not need to like Musk to realize he is a modern day industrialist akin to Henry Ford based on what he has done with automobile manufacturing, Starlink and even SpaceX. In less than one generation he became a successful rival to titans of those industries who were captive to international finance and influenced the military industrial complex of US to act in spite of US interests instead of always acting to deliver best outcomes for US interests.
Musk was able to get a 10 waiver on sanctions for ALL his manufacturing to keep importing aluminum and titanium from Russia under the Bidet Regime nevertheless. One of the reasons other EV manufacturers in the west have floundered is that they lost access to affordable alloys that Russia has a near world monopoly on and that Chinese were able to purchase with even bigger discounts now.
The war in Ukraine is not about who controls Kiev but who controls Donbass and Crimea. Because that is where the mineral wealth is. NATO could have moved it's troops into Lvov even before the war and no one would have cared. But they planned on sending their troops into Donbass specifically which is why Russia reacted to the last attack with an outright force in 2022.
The ideological and practical divide right now is that Anglo-American Oligarchy keeps insisting on continuing to gain the needed resources by force while American Industrialist Oligarchy is telling them that it is over and it is time to open up the mines in North America which has almost every needed resource except one. And for that resource they need to get on Russia's good side. Because Russia has a monopoly on this resource and it will not change. Any industrially developed country needs it if it wants to have advanced metallurgy.
Listen2Wolff@reddit
Not really.
The Anglo-American Oligarchy is not homogenous. They are like the crime families you see in movies like "The Godfather". They fight amongst themselves.
It is interesting to me that you talk about the "American Industrialist Oligarchy". I'll have to think about that for a bit. Musk is not my hero though. I see how you believe he should be. Seems more like Rockefeller handing out candy to paupers on the street.
Or if you want to look at the TV series "Better Call Saul", Lalo was beloved by the people in his territory. It doesn't take that much to fool people.
What I see is something akin to the Oligarchs who could import booze during prohibition vs the ones who could not. Or the Corleone family opposition to drugs. "Honor among thieves so to speak".
Things kind of spin out of control from here. So I'll leave it at that.
Just in case: "There are no good Oligarchs." OK?
Trump is not a "good guy".
AtosPortosAramis3@reddit
I never said he should be anyone's hero. I pointed out that he should be recognized for being a modern day industrialist even by people who do not like him which could be applied even to myself.
I follow no man nor place them above me. This does not mean my pride should blind me to notice what rank others have achieved in their endeavors.
One does not need to like Trump to acknowledge his accomplishments either. To quote Jesus when the Pharisees tried a gotcha moment with him: Give onto Ceasar what is Ceasar's.
Henry Ford hated international bankers so much that he would rather the US align with Germany than communists who's regimes served the international bankers. He was an industrialist just like Firestone and Kingsford. Soviets after killing the Tzar sent to the west the world's largest gold treasury and carried out all trade with the west paying in gold. At that time gold mining was the most sought after resource and process. Russia was mining and sending ALL OF ITS GOLD to the western bankers while controlled by western installed terrorists who called themselves communists or Bolsheviks.
Similar to what we saw play out in Syria where a foreign funded, foreign operated terrorist regime seized power over the country and is now sending all the extracted resources to the west just like in Libya.
Listen2Wolff@reddit
Ok, WRT Musk, I don't know how financing works at such a level. From my perspective, NASA was removed from being in charge of Space and it was all given to Musk. To me, it is nothing more than a privatization of Space. China and Russia seem to be advancing in that technology without having to "pay off" an Oligarch. Privatization has always been a "confidence scam".
Ford? Explain how the communists served international bankers. I thought they were arch-enemies.
I do find your interpretation of Bolsheviks interesting. It opens up a new way of saying "money isn't real" (something I subscribe to). Money is useful, but it is intangible and as such can disappear in a heartbeat if the "mass hallucination" that money is anything more than an IOU gets destroyed. (Something that I think is happening now with the dollar).
What an amazing way to look at events. Explains the ratlining of Uyghur terrorists to Syria and Jake Sullivan's email to Hillary. "Don't worry. al Qaeda is on our side now."
Now, is Ron Paul right? "There is no gold in Ft. Knox". So I'd be stupid to buy gold right now unless I held it in my hand.
This exchange has exploded so it probably makes no sense. I have a lot to think about though.
AtosPortosAramis3@reddit
Leon Trotskiy is a person who has a real name. He worked on Wall Street. He was sent in as a logistics genius to sabotage Russia and murder the Tzar to steal the treasury. This is why his so called ''communist'' writings are incoherent. They were a cover for the heist and nothing else. His job was to seize the Russian Treasury which he did and fled with.
At that time the Russian rouble being gold backed was worth more than Pound Sterling or US Dollar. Which means that Russian economy was not crashing or weak at all. It had too much freedom and not enough safe guards against foreign funded terrorists and was not executing known traitors.
As for Musk he simply exposed how Boeing was delivering less than bare minimum while charging insane amounts. Anyone could have came in and done a better job which is why the billionaires who own other companies created their own alternative programs that they tried to package to NASA. Bezos and Branson.
Bankers created communism and socialism to destroy capitalism. Put all propaganda and brainwashing aside and consider what actual capitalism is. Raising capital to fund a new venture. That is how not just Columbus but other explorers traveled on voyages considered too risky by bankers who did not want to fund them. Industrial revolution in England happened in spite of bankers refusing to fund them. People pooled their savings instead of going to a bank for a loan.
Why would bankers allow individualism and private enterprise outside of totalitarian control be it through debt slavery of government dictat? Bankers' goals are same as communists and other totalitarian systems because the ultimate goal is total control which is antithesis to capitalism and individual rights listed in the constitution.
What is the first thing banned in communism, fascism, and other forms of socialism? The founding of private enterprise and even CREATING NEW MEANS OF PRODUCTION.
Look at the west currently where you have to obtain LICENSE from communist rulers to create new means of production because the communist rulers oppress everyone under the mandates of the bankers.
Listen2Wolff@reddit
Wow, Trotskiy
Can't say much about Boeing overcharging. I'd have to look into it more, and I don't want to. Just one crook exposing another crook to allow a third set of crooks appear to be economical. From my POV.
Bankers are capitalism.
What is China then?
Ah, we are universes apart here. Kinda depends on which stage of "capitalism" you are talking about. We are in end-state capitalism and the monopolists are doing their very best to extract "economic rents" (excess profits).
China surely isn't banning the founding of new businesses. So... are we talking about the same thing?
Look. We have a lot in common when you talk about 'bankers', but then you go "off the rails" with how bankers control everything -- except capitalism. At that point I'm "HUH?"
notarackbehind@reddit
Decline has been the status quo since 1947. What’s been decided upon is collapse.
Ok-West-7125@reddit
Every empire collapses Trump is profiting from said collapse