What features from classic cars do you think modern cars are missing?
Posted by Snowymiser@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 785 comments
I’m doing some research for a car project, and I figured I should ask real enthusiasts. What design elements or driving qualities from classic cars do you feel are missing in today’s vehicles?
shmulik_dada@reddit
Definitely funky foldaway cup holders
TPIRocks@reddit
Vent/wing windows, curb feelers, real chrome, real gas caps and, most of all, maintainability.
fwilsonator@reddit
Physical buttons (especially for hvac) and the wing vents in the front windows
PoundStriking8059@reddit
A soul
Deep-Egg-9528@reddit
pop-up headlights.
Beginning_Ad8663@reddit
Wing vent windows.
VinceInMT@reddit
The crank in front to start it.
ContributionBorn9105@reddit
Style and soul, taking risks with exterior designs
Appropriate-Place728@reddit
The right to work on them
Chix213@reddit
High beam button on the floor
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
Physical buttons and dials.
Global_Wolverine_152@reddit
My tesla just has the ipad for everything - changing drive/reverse and changing air vent directions. I thought i would miss the physical buttons/knobs but i don't. Those are all legacy items that are now like hood ornaments = obsolete. They break, they rattle and they cost money to make.
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
Mine don’t break, they look infinitely better than a stupid temu ipad stuck on the dash, and I can use them without having to look at the screen.
Global_Wolverine_152@reddit
Those are all left over b/c that's the legacy way of doing it. A pad is way better. It's like self check out or ordering at a kiosk. Physical knobs do fail, rattle and add more to manufacturing costs. My car can self drive and take voice commands. Many also shoot that down but think about the advantages. This is the future. Like all newer things there's an adjustment. I thought i would struggle with it along with no shifter and no turn signal stalk but i don't miss any of it.
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
Your clearly in the minority, but I’m glad you enjoy your temu iPad on your temu dashboard
Xandril@reddit
I have never been able to understand electric seat adjustment. The old levers and sliding rails worked so much more reliably and FASTER.
AssignmentNo8361@reddit
This is why I like SavageGeese on YouTube, they always harp on not having enough physical controls...
AbruptMango@reddit
That about sums it up. Just about every other advancement has been helpful.
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
I can’t understand why car manufacturers haven’t caught on to this fact, yet. Don’t they drive their own cars?
RequirementBusiness8@reddit
To be fair, some automakers went through a phase of too many buttons and dials. It’s a balancing act.
AlwaysBagHolding@reddit
No such thing. Early 90’s pontiacs with the entire steering wheel covered in buttons was a thing of glory.
jokerswild_@reddit
I had a 90 Grand Prix -- I think I counted 78 buttons, knobs, and switches !!! Here's an example interior:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fwxqsjoxeika31.png
there were 11 buttons on the steering wheel (this was before airbags so the center was full of buttons). I don't know that I ever changed the balance or fade enough to need a button right next to my fingertips as I drove! - and the backlight behind them was so bright I couldn't see the road at night. I had to pop the buttons off and put a piece of paper under each button to dim the lights enough to see!
There were 10 individual seat buttons. You could adjust forward/backwards/up/down/tilt the back. There were 3 different lumbar supports. You could move the headrest in & out. You could move each individual leg. The side bolsters would hug you at the push of. a button. It was RIDICULOUS.
The "computer" in the center console was just a compass but it LOOKED like a fancy GPS display (which didn't actually exist in 1990 of course) - but there were 8 buttons to control it!
The radio had 28 buttons plus a 5-slider equalizer.
The buttons just never ended!!! there was ALWAYS another button for something!!
bungy2323@reddit
Those seats look so damn comfortable! Miss that.
Dolamite9000@reddit
This is glorious!! Loved pontiacs. Such a shame they went away.
StuffIanWrote@reddit
You’ll be happy to know there are 14 buttons on the steering wheel of my 2021 M340i, plus the horn, paddle shifters, an up/down switch for cruise control, and a scroll wheel (for lack of better term), which also counts as one of the buttons.
I just counted.
Two models years later, they took away almost every easy to use button from below the screen to make them features on the screens.
To add one last feat to this late model car with buttons, there are 8 dedicated preset buttons that can be programmed for way more than just radio stations.
jokerswild_@reddit
One of my favorite radios was in my 1988 Cavalier Z24. Take a close look at the preset buttons here. There are SEVEN presets here -- 4 labelled ones and 3 hidden ones.
https://i.imgur.com/3en5HHY.jpeg
you have 1, 2, 3, and 4 as expected. But if you press 1&2, 2&3, or 3&4 simultaneously, you get 3 more presets that nobody knows about :)
Bonus: you get a great sunglasses holder by opening the ashtray 1/4 inch and setting the glasses on the top edge then closing the tray :)
yugami@reddit
hah, just looked up an article about this car to post here. peak button
MaleficentExtent1777@reddit
The Bonneville SSEi!!! ❤️❤️❤️
CrazyButRightOn@reddit
Supercharged !
haqglo11@reddit
Bulletproof 3.8. Not sure about the rest of it
HazelEBaumgartner@reddit
I managed to kill a 3800 lol
NeuroguyNC@reddit
I tried to buy a 1998 SSEi - but there was none in the area, and the dealership wanted me to pay hundreds to have one sent in from another state - whether I ended up buying it or not
I said screw that and got an Audi A4 Quattro instead.
yugami@reddit
https://www.theautopian.com/why-is-this-crap-but-amazing-pontiac-in-the-uk/
Appropriate-Metal167@reddit
They caught on to another fact, that replacing ergonomic, easily usable controls with a maddening touch screen, or a a “physical buttons” that are nearly as awkward, saves them money.
Macvombat@reddit
This is it. The entire dash assembly with buttons and dials and what not is complex and therefore expensive. A touchscreen is basically free.
Steal-Your-Face77@reddit
Yet the cars cost more and more each year :(
PollutionNeat777@reddit
Inflation and government mandates have caused car prices to skyrocket.
kick6@reddit
Just because it’s cheap to them doesn’t mean they can’t charge you for it as being “new tech.”
Steal-Your-Face77@reddit
Yeah, buying a new car sucks right now. Trying to hold on to my 2019 and 2012 for as long as possible.
dunncrew@reddit
I'm driving a 2005 Accord. But even it has things starting to break.
Cynyr36@reddit
I'm still trying to hold on to my 1999 saturn sw2 for a while longer. Maybe in 3 or 4 years I'll get a nice big rebate for buying an ev wagon as a replacement.
BreakfastInBedlam@reddit
Not much in the way of technology advancement in tomatoes either.
CaptainMatticus@reddit
And then if something goes wrong with the screen, they can put such a prohibitive cost on replacement that many people would just rather opt for trading the vehicle in for another one.
thatguy11m@reddit
Tesla really sold cost savings as minimalism in a car brand that I believe succeeds more because of their charging network than car design. They gloat so much about their software, but the fact that it's all hidden behind a touchscreen means they have a fundamental misunderstanding of cars. Just imagine how nice ergonomic physical buttons and dials could work in tandem with software. It does make sense though that their end game is really to make a car that you don't drive, both in the self driving they are falling behind in for development, as well as infrastructure like the tunnel they made for exclusive Tesla use. Their end game truly is a computerized chauffeur, and the more legacy companies catch on to that, the less they should be worried about Tesla's cars, and just go after their network.
mikkowus@reddit
If they put a strip of replaceable buttons around the edge of the touchscreen like in an ATM, you get that best of both worlds
ucbiker@reddit
I’ve bought two late-model base model Fords and both have lots of physical buttons, compared to higher trims. I guess it saves them money but seems funny to make the “cheap” cars have dials and buttons if they’re more expensive and complex.
AbruptMango@reddit
And enough of those systems make it through warranty without causing problems to make it work on the back end, too.
Carlpanzram1916@reddit
It’s really simple. The touch-screen is cheaper and easier to standardize across models. But yeah this is probably my only gripe about modern cars. My last two cars I specifically chose for tactile controls.
bearshawksfan826@reddit
Its even less complicated than that. Because of required backup cameras, the screen has to exist by law. It makes economic sense to use something that already is legally required to exist in every car for as many purposes as possible.
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
I’m will gladly pay the $60 it costs for buttons and dials at scale
bfrogsworstnightmare@reddit
Is this actually an option with new vehicles? My ‘24 Silverado has a lot of physical buttons but I thought that it was just because us dumb blue collar guys are the target demographic.
Carlpanzram1916@reddit
Among the cars I’ve test-driven lately, Hondas and Mazdas are still predominantly tactile controls.
Capable-Cream-1648@reddit
It's not about what's best, it's about what feels new and futuristic. I see it in the construction industry all the time where people will buy material that's junk just because it's trendy or feels modern.
Suitable-Ad6999@reddit
You mean the Joanna Gaines white farmhouse with black shutters/downspouts ?
ElectronicActuary784@reddit
Touch screens save money and also provide another revenue stream.
Enables car makers to add subscriptions to their cars.
With people keeping cars longer, automakers want another way of getting money from us.
DaveyDave_NZ555@reddit
Some have. You get the central touch screen, but the basics like the AC and volume controls remain physical
squirrel9000@reddit
My 15 year old car does that. Amazing how it's regressed.
It's all done in software anyway, put a cheap capacitive sensor with tactile cover on it and you're all set.
Remarkable-Finish-88@reddit
Yeah like rust in 2-3 years
Secret-Ad-7909@reddit
Cvts with fake shift points are silly
AbruptMango@reddit
I don't consider putting CVTs in cars to be an advancement.
ButtStopsHere@reddit
Might be silly but the awful droning like a mini bike's centrifugal clutch is worse.
90bronco@reddit
My theory is companies are pushing screens and electronics, but in the near future we will see a return of buttons and dials on high end cars or as a premium option. Buttons and dials will be a luxury option.
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
I hope you’re right.
Muttonboat@reddit
hot take - touch screens are a good, but poorly implemented and some features should not be controlled by them.
boatsnhosee@reddit
I agree with you. I changed several OEM head units to touchscreens in older vehicles
FIFA_BEAST@reddit
Freezing cold take
Muttonboat@reddit
I honestly don't think they're bad, but I don't like everything being behind them. I think a happy medium can be achieved.
CarsandTunes@reddit
Buttons and dials are objectively better than screens in a car. The reason is they provide tactile feedback allowing the driver to operate the controls without taking his eyes off the road. Touchscreens do not offer this, and require the driver to look at the screen as opposed to the road.
yugami@reddit
there's plenty of things in a modern car you don't need to do while driving . those can be touch
Muttonboat@reddit
The genie isn't going back in the bottle though and we're not going back to all knobs like 90's 2000's
Many cars in the 2010s had great balance between touch screen and physical controls
Things that dont immediately need to operated can be behind a touch screen and voice command. Things that the driver needs to interact with immediately like AC or volume should always be knobs.
Debaser626@reddit
I had an enthusiast car but was also broke, so I got the plain-jane, base model. I was mildly amused to see that in the latest ('26) version of the sportiest trim, they now charge extra for a Moonroof Delete (for chassis stiffening) and more physical knobs to assist with "spirited driving." They're now charging extra for base model "options." What a world.
billy310@reddit
My partner’s Trax has both. Climate stuff is all dials. The trip info stuff (mileage, tire pressure, etc) being on the screen sucks though
Secret-Ad-7909@reddit
I feel the same way about phones. Texting and driving with t9 wasn’t that bad because you didn’t have to stare at the screen the whole time
Lothar_Ecklord@reddit
Rented a car once that had “haptic feedback” on the touch screen, but it was really clunky and felt unconnected. It didn’t happen every time and when it did the first few times, I thought the whole system was loose and rattling around in the dash. Just give me fucking buttons. And fucking buttons too.
Snowymiser@reddit (OP)
What if they were hidden behind panels? That way you don't always have to see them.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
This, a screen can do far more than hundreds of buttons and knobs. It's just that some physical controls must remain, and the UI needs to be well done.
PinteaKHG@reddit
The thing is we’ve all seen old cars with broken buttons and unrepairable trims related to them. Maybe, just maybe, touch screens will increase the lifespan of car interiors (just trying to find a positive side to them…)
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
You may have misunderstood the assignment ;)
Muttonboat@reddit
totally understand - its not a popular one.
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
whoosh!
Hoopajoops@reddit
I hate trying to fiddle with touch screen menus while driving down the road. It's legitimately dangerous. I feel like I need to pull over just to swap between FM radio or XM.
Given, I still haven't owned a car that has a touch screen. I just use rentals when I travel for work, so the max amount of time I've had with a specific car is 1 week.. but I've used a lot of them. It seems like people who actually own a car with a touch screen have memorized the menu system so they didn't have much of an issue with navigating the menus while driving down the road.. even through most of them still wish a lot of the functionality was still available via physical buttons.
AgonizingGasPains@reddit
A flat screen with icons forces you to take your eyes off the road and precisely move your finger to a specific spot on that screen. In aircraft, each control is shaped differently for tactile and muscle-memory recognition. For example, the landing gear lever knob is shaped like a wheel. You move your arm to that lever (muscle memory) and verify it is the correct lever through feel (gear, not throttle or trim or whatever). I don't think screens are just poor design, but also somewhat dangerous.
HurlingFruit@reddit
Somewhat?!?
I_live_once@reddit
After using both touch and physical controls I realised how much less distracting it is to use the physical button.
Late-Button-6559@reddit
They were around just 5 years ago, so not ‘classic’.
infinitecosmic_power@reddit
And a steering wheel that's free of them
1988rx7T2@reddit
you know they broke right? like the buttons wouldn't even last 80k miles sometimes? you get build up in contactors for switches etc.
ARottenPear@reddit
Buildup can be cleaned. Even if they broke, they could be replaced with junkyard parts for next to nothing - even new parts aren't that expensive. How much is a new proprietary screen going to be when that goes out?
1988rx7T2@reddit
screens have been in cars for over 10+ years, do you have evidence that there is a widespread failure rate on automotive media control units?
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
Mine did not
LittleBigHorn22@reddit
I see this complaint a lot, what manufacturers are the worst at this? Because I just got a brand new Tacoma and it still has dials and buttons for most things. Either Toyota is doing well or this topic seems overblown.
Hersbird@reddit
My Ram has both a giant screen and a button for almost every function as well. The best of both worlds. We do use the screen a lot for android auto stuff. Spotify, audible, Google maps, but always use a button or knob to control functions and systems of the truck.
Flimsy-Cartoonist-92@reddit
Depends on the model. More hybrids and EVs tend to have less physical buttons compared to conventional cars. My wife had an EV where there were no physical buttons in the car everything was controlled through the touchscreen.
LittleBigHorn22@reddit
My Tacoma is actually a hybrid. Honestly really well done by Toyota.
Flimsy-Cartoonist-92@reddit
I'm waiting for the EV version to drop in the next couple of years. I had one back in the mid 00s and loved.....until I went on deployment and my mom let my alcoholic brother drive it in the snow and when I got back it did a hard 90 degree hook to the left.
ElegantGate7298@reddit
Kia/Hyundai/Subaru. 2024 versions of these cars will feel like a 10 year old cell phone in 5-10 years. My wife has a 2025 Kia and it absolutely will not age well just because of the user interface.
No_South_9912@reddit
F150 still has dials/buttons for most things. Touchscreen is mostly for infotainment such as android auto/apple car play. HVAC and FM radio is knobs/buttons.
Muttonboat@reddit
VW and Tesla by a mile.
WFPBvegan2@reddit
And levers
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
I fuckin love levers
gstringstrangler@reddit
Can we get some pulleys??
WFPBvegan2@reddit
Right?
spec_bjdm@reddit
This is the only answer. The seeming abandonment of tactile controls - in favour of screens - is unbelievable to me.
Got a ride in a top spec Tesla, and we couldn’t figure out how to turn the fan level down. Driver and passenger looking at a screen while the vehicle is rolling forward. As dumb as dumb can be.
vanthefunkmeister@reddit
You’d love the Ineos Grenadier
Artistic_Muffin7501@reddit
My ‘24 Alfa has physical buttons and/or knobs for A/C, heated seat and steering wheel, air diffuser, seat adjustments, radio, ACC, drive mode select and more!
curious-chineur@reddit
The small wing window. I don't know their name it pivots. Kind of a deflector.
Hanilvor@reddit
I just want a key...
ixsparkyx@reddit
That’s why I love my mini cooper I feel like I’m in a spaceship with all my buttons lol
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
I looked our mini but it was underpowered and unreliable, and the ride was rough even compared to my sports cars
Intelligent_Row8259@reddit
I have physical buttons and dials. I want my damn touch screen back. God forbid I want to change my screen from the nav which I have it defaulted to to my fuel mileage. I have to pull off the side of the road and put my full attention to the dann scroll wheel to find it and change it instead of a quick press on the screen.
Trying to use the nav is so irritating even at a dead stop I just use my phone instead. My old car let me reprogram multiple destinations which I could then bring up with a single touch this new car? Nope can't save anything. Can't use it at all while moving since it is locked into voice only and apparently doesn't speak English.
I'm old and crochety I want things to be easy. I still haven't figured out which button to press to answer my phone when it rings cause it seems to be a different one each time.
Had this car since April and I miss the screen and controls in my 2016 every time I drive it. Then I go and drive my 2016 and wonder why I bought the new car.
Roqjndndj3761@reddit
Yeah your wrong, bro
Jim_Luk@reddit
And locks with keys! Not to mention manual unlocks for the doors. With some (many?) cars, there are only electric ones. Until you've been in an accident and realize that if the battery shorted, you aren't easily getting out, if at all.
Flimsy-Cartoonist-92@reddit
I drive a car with manual locks and windows. I love it. Lock my keys in the car? Go old school and jimmy the window and use the old coat hanger. Needed a new key made and since it doesn't have the chip in it cost me like 10 bucks to make a copy. My wife wanted to get a second key fob for her car. Damn people wanted like 200 bucks for it.
Anvillior@reddit
Reminds me of Tom Paris.
tendonut@reddit
Absolutely. I hate how everything has gone touch screen for almost all functions. I understand touch screen is probably necessary for interacting with apps, but I miss visible preset buttons, track navigation, a fucking pause button. Touch screen is not the be all end-all.
Ill-Barnacle-202@reddit
Maybe I'm bias, but I think my 2015 brz has much a perfected mix of physical dials and touch screens. AC, windows, and seat are 100% physical, and info-entertainment is 100%.digital.
warrior_poet95834@reddit
100% actual knobs, switches and analog gauges.
Milnoc@reddit
I much prefer the digital gauge on my 2015 Fiat 500 Abarth because I can clearly see how fast I'm going. The top of the analogue gauge's speedometer is blocked off by the steering wheel.
Snowymiser@reddit (OP)
I 100% agree.
FirehawkLS1@reddit
This 100% along with an analog driving experience
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Of course this is the top reply in reddit.
No_South_9912@reddit
Base model vehicles are more likely to still use physical buttons/knobs for basic functions.
Peter_van_vliet@reddit
What most of them are missing is good design to begin with.
NeverGiveUp75013@reddit
Buttons and knobs
scroquator@reddit
Style
ZcarJunky@reddit
Style. To me all modern cars look the same, especially the crossover mini SUV things. Their interiors are all similar. There's nothing exciting about them. They've just become utilitarian
Same_Living_2774@reddit
GAS Tanks…
Impossible-Baby-44@reddit
Switch for brights on the floor board by left foot. BRING IT BACK!!
CarCounsel@reddit
No need with adaptive lighting and auto high beams
CarsandTunes@reddit
In my opinion, it's the other way around. Having less features is exactly what makes older cars more desirable to me. Everything mechanical, no bells or whistles. Besides that, one older feature that is definitely missing, is the high beam switch being mounted on the floor.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Nahh, putting the high beam switch as part of the in the turn signal stalk is better in every way.
ratrodder49@reddit
Hello again! I gotta disagree here. I have my bachelors in automotive restoration so while I love my 300, old shit is my preferred shit. I love the stomp high beam switch more than anything else. On the stalk is convenient and less prone to environmental damage, sure, but man it’s satisfying to stomp on that mother when someone refuses to dim theirs. Keeps your hands free so you can drive with one and hold your lady with the other. And is much more serviceable when it does fail versus taking the whole steering column apart
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Ohh hey pal.
"bachelors in automotive restoration" - Isn't Wyoming Tech the only school that offers that? I consider them but had a scholarship to UTI, which really sucked.
However I disagree on every element, and know I've driven/dailied, fixed, and restored a lot of vehicles with floor dimmers.
I find the convivence of the flash to pass on the stalk far more useful and satisfying, instead of two stomps it's just a flick of the finger. And far far easier to flash flash flash real quick, which on a floor dimmer would take 6 stomps.
Ya hold your lady with your right and steer with your left, having it on the turn stalk works real well for that. Also less need to lift/shift your leg if she has her head in your lap. I have an old Grand Marquis with a front bench seat, light single finger steering, and highs on the stalk. Not many vehicles put those three together, it's perfect in that aspect. Sometimes I consider options to remove the center console of the my 300.
Even serviceable, sure at first glance you might think so, but not in practice. The floor switch is a corroded PITA that sucks to work on. Fixing the turn stalk sure, more has to come apart, but ya do it sitting on a comfortable seat and nothing is corroded. Only slightly difficult part might be pulling the wheel, and maybe the air bag, but if ya have decent tools and understanding that's no problem at all. I'd MUCH rather do that than crawl around on the floor and deal with corroded BS.
Impossible-Baby-44@reddit
Ease ain’t everything. The stomp is king. Sorry fam
ratrodder49@reddit
I don’t think WyoTech has a bachelors in auto restoration. McPherson College in McPherson KS is the only school in the U.S. with that degree that I know of. I considered WyoTech myself when I saw their sled pulling truck on display at the national FFA convention one year lol.
Beautiful thing about opinions is everyone has one and nobody is “correct”, everyone can like what they like. The power-flashing aspect is certainly easier with the highs on the stalk.
Oddly enough, in all my time of owning and driving classics (14 years, and I’m 28) I’ve never once had to replace a floor high beam switch. I’ve also never had to replace a stalk switch, but I have had a column apart and it’s not the most fun I’ve ever had in a car lol
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
A little off topic, but there are people that are such an NPC that they refuse to even have opinions. I despise people like that. I'll take someone with a strong but wrong opinion over someone so vapid they can't even form an opinion.
I've replaced some of each, I also have a good chunk of years and experience on ya. They aren't items that need to be replaced often. Never had a column that was too much trouble, I think the worse I ever dealt with was an 80s Toyota. 80s Ford trucks with tilt are rather complicated for what they are but not horrible to work on. Our Chryslers are easy once ya figure out how to remove the air bag. I'd imagine there's probably some German columns that are a nightmare, but never done one on a German make.
amishbill@reddit
There was absolutely nothing wrong with the high beam switch being on the floor next to the starter button!
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
No flash to pass, takes up footwell space, prone to issues from contamination and corrosion, and no physical indication of the switch location.
red18wrx@reddit
Multi-function switches are hard to make and someone didn't want dash clutter?
pedanpric@reddit
I think they might have been joking.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Maybe.
Gubbtratt1@reddit
I like it on the floor much better. It will of course eventually stop working due to the dirty envirovment, but new switches are cheap and easy to replace.
xXxDickBonerz69xXx@reddit
Doesn't feel nearly as good to flash at some dipshit
Leftover_Salmons@reddit
I agree with both this sentiment and your username
SummertimeThrowaway2@reddit
High beam mounted on the floor? Why would I want that
Telefonica46@reddit
Exactly. My car has a mechanical fuel pump. It has timing gears (no belts or chains for me!). It has carburetor. The only electronics are ignition (still mechanically timed, though) and the starter. Its wonderful.
ElegantGate7298@reddit
Automatic powered tailgates drive me crazy.
bolunez@reddit
Until it gets corroded from stepping on it with wet, salty shoes and then catches the carpet on fire.
Cranks_No_Start@reddit
I have an older Jaguar XJ6. While it has nothing compared to a modern vehicle as far as tech it has all you need and nothing you don’t.
BackgroundGrass429@reddit
Oh yeah, that floor mounted high beam switch was just great with a standard. /s
MountainParamedic104@reddit
I miss that from my old Wagoneer.
FancyyPelosi@reddit
At least we can be sure you aren’t commuting 2 hours a day. You wouldn’t be asking for fewer features if you did.
CarsandTunes@reddit
I drove a Jeep Wrangler, from the previous generation, was zero features, zero comfort, zero air conditioning. I drove it for years, and I rode trip it all over Canada. Don't assume anything about me.
FancyyPelosi@reddit
Found the sadist. It’s amazing what people will do to themselves to prove their manhood.
CarsandTunes@reddit
There you go again, making assumptions. I'm not a sadist, nor do I have a bone of machoism in me. I just don't require air conditioning power mirrors power seats power door locks touch screens blind spot detectors and rear view cameras to drive.
FancyyPelosi@reddit
It’s well known that the wrangler is one of the most uncomfortable cars to drive.
CarsandTunes@reddit
Okay, and? My other car is a Lotus Super 7, so clearly my requirements for Comfort different from most people. However, that doesn't change the fact that no one needs power mirrors, power seats, blind spot detectors, rear view cameras, seat warmers, etc etc
FancyyPelosi@reddit
Even if I were a single guy like yourself with nobody else’s needs to consider I’d still go with a modern vehicle. Just like millions of others.
I appreciate your stoicism and austerity. I doubt your cold showers are as appealing as sleeping on the floor is.
K_M-A-Y_@reddit
Have you ever driven an older car? Genuinely curious.
I've got a 24 Mazda CX-5 almost fully spec'd, a 22 Tacoma OR, and a 96 Volvo 850. The Volvo is the car I choose to drive the most because of the simplicity and the driving feel. You actually get feedback, not some soulless ride like newer cars. Outside of Android Auto and the safety upgrades in new cars, most of the features are pretty unnecessary.
FancyyPelosi@reddit
I’m older than you so, yes. I had a ‘89 Pontiac Grand Prix in high school then a ‘93 Toyota Camry in college.
K_M-A-Y_@reddit
Damn dude, so you're out here 50+ picking fights with strangers online over car electronics. I had you pegged at no older than 18 based on your commentary.
I guess enjoy your blind spot monitor and I'll keep on keeping on with my mechanical throttle body.
FancyyPelosi@reddit
That’s right grandpa I’m here to let folks know that electronics aren’t scary.
mkjiisus@reddit
I love my 850. On top of everything you said, it's literally just more comfortable than any modern car I've been in
CarsandTunes@reddit
Dude, what is your problem? I simply answered the question posted, even clarifying that it's simply my own opinion. All my follow-up posts were merely to clarify that opinion. Meanwhile all you have done is try to belittle and insult me, and for what purpose? Do you feel personally attacked because you require creature comforts, and I do not? If you like your creature comforts, by all means enjoy them. For the record I still enjoy hot showers in my soft bed.
FancyyPelosi@reddit
Do you also prefer plumbed toilets? Refrigeration? Electricity? You just made yourself out to be some sort of real car addictionado and I’m simply trying to find out where the line is between all this “modern stuff you don’t need” and what’s acceptable in a car.
CarsandTunes@reddit
I don't need a reverse camera, because I have mirrors and neck that turns. I do like plump toilets, because I don't have an infinite supply of water in my body to flush my feces away. Do you see how these aren't comparable?
FancyyPelosi@reddit
That’s interesting that “you don’t need one” but they’ve been mandated by the government. I wonder what your thoughts on seatbelts and catalytic converters are, but I have an idea.
CarsandTunes@reddit
Sometime government mandates are correct, sometimes they are not. I don't use the government mandates as a guide for what is good or bad. Catalytic converters are great because they help save the environment, however little. Seat belts are great because they help save lives.
FancyyPelosi@reddit
Here you probably think the government mandate is incorrect because as a single guy you can’t fathom little kids running around your car that you won’t see with your mirrors. Which is why these were mandated by the Cameron Gulbranden Kids Transportation Safery Act of 2007. Canada has a similar mandate.
It’s all about youuuuuuu.
CarsandTunes@reddit
Dude, stop making assumptions about me. Every single one of them has been incorrect, and you simply make yourself look the fool.
FancyyPelosi@reddit
Son I’ve made a life out of reading people’s faces. Knowing what their cards were by the way they held their eyes. So if you don’t mind me saying, I can see you’re out of aces. For a taste of your whiskey, I’ll give you some advice.
CarsandTunes@reddit
Unlike you, I'm neither a gambler nor a drinker. So take your gambling addiction and alcoholism somewhere else please.
FancyyPelosi@reddit
You got to know when to hold em. Know when to fold ‘em. Know when to walk away. And know when to run.
AlwaysBagHolding@reddit
A Tacoma is miles more comfortable than a wrangler. My 94 Toyota truck (pre Tacoma) is really an excellent driving vehicle. It’s a low bar, but it drives better than my cobalt does.
FancyyPelosi@reddit
Saying a Tacoma is more comfortable than a wrangler is like saying breaking your arm is more comfortable than breaking your leg.
AlwaysBagHolding@reddit
Not really, wranglers drive like fucking farm machinery. I’d equate the Tacoma more to getting a dental exam and the wrangler to getting your leg broken. You have to go back into the 70’s to find a vehicle that drives shittier than a modern wrangler, and even then it’s just other Jeeps and Internationals.
OldDude1391@reddit
Actually a sadist derives pleasure from inflicting pain on others. What you were going for is masochist. One who derives pleasure from enduring pain.
hankbbeckett@reddit
I drive a three hour round trip commute three days a week, mostly through steep mountain roads in ill repair, and I do it in my '91 civic wagon with a 5 speed manual, no power steering, and crank windows. Only modern upgrade is Bluetooth receiver and led brights. I like that it does exactly what I want it to and nothing more. It doesn't lock/unlock doors on its own, brighten or dim lights, turn on screens, beep at me, ect. It can't be bricked, has no 'smart' features demanding a subscription. It has good fuel economy, and is extremely low maintenance and cheap to repair. I've gotten it home with no battery, no brakes, a malfunctioning alternator, a fried and jumped starter relay.... I can't imagine some modern vehicles even letting you turn it on in that condition haha.
FancyyPelosi@reddit
[Narrated by DB Sweeney] Next up, on Mountain Men: u/hankbbeckett braves the hills of Colorado in a ‘91 civic as he lays out his trap line ahead of the winter. Will he make it to his bush plane before the big storm rolls in? Stay tuned.
hankbbeckett@reddit
Damn I wish I could post pics coz you're asking for it and I got one right here of the lil honda loaded damn near out the windows with scrap wood for building my cabin and a deer tied on top that I found on the way home 😂. Ain't Colorado and no trap line tho(yet).
MoparMap@reddit
I was thinking something like this, but in a slightly different way. I want cars to be engaging to drive. My wife's 4Runner is very engaging, but for all the wrong reasons. There are too many things to look at between the infotainment system and gauges and not enough feedback from the vehicle itself. I get distracted in her car because it's got Sirius radio and I can flip through all the channels I want to find something worth listening to or I'm always looking over to see what's playing or generally just feel disconnected from driving.
blizzard7788@reddit
You must have grown up in the south. Those floor mounted switches always rusted and shorted out with snow and salt over time.
CarsandTunes@reddit
Yeah, I'm from the south.... of canada.
ThisCharmingDan99@reddit
Yea, my Camaro has the floor high beam switch. Cool feature!
TRathOriginals@reddit
Paint options other than black, white, and (a hundred words for) grey.
Also, actually being cars. Not everything needs to be a crossover.
Nuagf05@reddit
Lack of electronics
keirianvernius@reddit
modern cars took away the pleasure of driving, an important feature for a car i must say
Ch4rlie_G@reddit
Most of this is safety (and the associated weight).
But that’s not all of it
justin62001@reddit
I just got a Camaro LT1, first manual car ever as well, and it made me understand why people enjoy the manual experience. Traffic in NYC absolutely sucks but there’s nothing like going through the gears in an open/windy road with a V8 screaming, that’s legit heaven on earth
Donny-Kong@reddit
Had to scroll way too far for this. Cars that actually made you feel connected to the road.
keirianvernius@reddit
exactly! when i drive i feel one with the car as if the car is an extension of your body
CafeRoaster@reddit
Physical controls: knobs, buttons, switches.
Cars are increasingly becoming less and less repairable by their owners.
Useful features. Vehicles like the Honda Element, Honda Fit, and others had all sorts of great useable features that made them more than just a boring vehicle.
Ch4rlie_G@reddit
Brights on the floor. I loved that feature in my 66 Electra 225
Sad-Rip8639@reddit
Simplicity
Biff2019@reddit
Style.
A noticeable difference between makes and models.
A reasonably affordable price tag.
PabloZocchi@reddit
Actual dials instead of screens, also, buttons and levers. And the lack of distractions like a whole TV and a ton of beeps while driving...
AutomaticMonk@reddit
The ability to service a car at home in your driveway.
The ability to turn on/off the radio without navigating a touchscreen menu.
LethalBacon@reddit
Just did my first brake pad change on my '21 Toyota. First time working with an automatic parking brake, and it was a nightmare. Put the car into brake service mode, but somehow activated the parking brake during the process, which threw a code and basically locked it up, with a note to take it to the dealer.
Had to order a USB cable with pirated software to fix it myself, no fucking shot I was taking it to the dealer's service center. Took just a few minutes to fix once I had the cable, but holy shit the hoops I had to jump through just to change the fucking brake pads...
Banishedandbackagain@reddit
I was thinking about doing them with it running in neutral, and blocks on the wheels.
rotorain@reddit
Turning off the parking brake only retracts the caliper piston enough to not drag on the rotor, you have to use the service mode to retract the rear calipers fully or you won't be able to put the new pads in and get them over the rotor. Doing it with the car running to keep the parking brake off won't help you.
Unfortunately like Bacon said if you mess up any of the steps it becomes a huge pain in the ass.
KnownSoldier04@reddit
What happened to use a clamp and press them open???
Fuck, I’m looking to replace my car but if this is what I’m up against? Naw man!
rotorain@reddit
They have an electric motor on them so you can't just press or twist them in like a regular caliper or one with a mechanical integrated parking brake. On some cars you can remove the motor and remove the motor and retract the piston manually but you still have to use the computer to reprogram the parking brake.
It's fucked and I hate them, glad I got out of auto repair before they were in literally every new car.
Banishedandbackagain@reddit
Oh damn
Illustrious_Ebb6272@reddit
No kidding about the brake lever. I drove a mustang with snow tires in Colorado for a few years. I used my e-brake pretty liberally. I’m sure I could learn to do without, but the adjustment period could be rough.
NegotiationLife2915@reddit
You can't do a lot of stuff at home diy anymore. But you also don't have to go out and do the maintenance on the car every Sunday so that hopefully it doesn't break down this week. Pros and cons
AutomaticMonk@reddit
I don't have to do the maintenance myself. I want to do it myself.
That way, if something does break on a Sunday, I can possibly fix it myself instead of involving insurance companies, tow trucks, mechanics or dealerships etc. plus the added cost of dealing with it on Sunday when most of those aren't even open.
jrileyy229@reddit
So you don't have radio buttons on your steering wheel? If the car is new enough to have the radio integrated into a touch screen, it pretty much always has buttons on the steering wheel.
Most people just never use them... But there you go, learn the buttons... No need to use the touch screen
Miliean@reddit
My current car is a 2023. I can use the radio with the steering wheel buttons, but the one thing that the steering wheel buttons cannot do is turn the radio on or off. So once i get the radio on, I can use it using only the buttons on the wheel.
Thankfully my car has a volume knob and pressing it down turns the radio on/off. So I'm covered for that, and honestly 99% of the time my radio just stays on. So it's fine, but the wheel buttons cannot do everything.
jrileyy229@reddit
Sure, but it can run the volume all the way to zero or 1 very quickly.
If you're designing a car and you get 6 steering wheel buttons to pick function for .. you would not waste one on a radio on/off. Volume up and down for sure ... But most people are not frequently turning radio on and off. It's on, it needs adjusted by station, input, podcast, etc... But you're not often going to full off mode.
Miliean@reddit
My old car (09 Impreza) had mute as one of the steering wheel buttons and honestly it was likely the one I used most often. My new car (2023 WRX) no mute on the wheel. That mute button got used basically every time I went through a drive through.
jrileyy229@reddit
That's what, like once per day? And in a situation that you already know is coming... That is a very casual question and not like you really need to instantly and immediately kill music.
You pull in the parking lot, get in line ,and hold the volume down button ... We're really being nitpicky here.
All of this back to the underlying point of "to turn off my music I have to go through a bunch of menus while driving" which just feels like someone who is looking for something to complain about that really isn't a big deal. Whether you have mute or the labor-intensive task of having to hold volume down for 1 full second.. these aren't real problems
AutomaticMonk@reddit
My current car is an 08 Toyota Tacoma. I no longer have those issues.
My last car however was a '20 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the radio tied in with the media screen. The radio could not be turned off without turning off the entire screen, navigation included. If I wanted navigation on and the radio off, the best I could do was turn the volume all the way down. It was the dumbest system I have ever seen. Steering wheel controls or not.
And it's not the act of controlling the radio through the screen, it's the whole thing. Do I really need 18 station presets spread over three screens that I need to swipe through? If I turn the radio on with a physical power button, why do I now have to go to the radio tab in order to get to my radio screen in order to change the station? If the text messages are going to automatically pop up on screen, but not allow me to do anything because the controls are locked because I'm driving then what's the point of distracting me with the text to begin with?
jrileyy229@reddit
Turning the volume all the way down still gets you to your desired goal without using the screen.
I know nothing about Jeep infotainment... So I don't know what you're talking about but it just sounds like their UI sucks. Shouldn't damn the entire industry for that.
gstringstrangler@reddit
I worked for Mopar, "UConnect" isn't that bad at all and as you said, the other person just needed to take a few minutes and learn it. Their Jeep absolutely had physical buttons both near the screen for power, volume, source, selection, with them doubled on the steering wheel with an up/down trigger with a button in the centre, on the back side of the wheel under your index and middle fingers. Super intuitive and vastly superior to buttons on the front of the wheel imo.
AutomaticMonk@reddit
Turning the volume down is an unnecessary workaround.
I do condemn the whole industry for 'features' like this. They are 'fixing' problems that didn't exist. They remove physical controls as a cost cutting measure, not out of convenience.
If I didn't like the radio in my car, I could buy a new one with the features I want/need and swap it out in my garage in an hour or so and it only cost a few hundred for a decent radio. Now, the center console infotainment structure is essentially a sealed black box that isn't user serviceable or even repairable. If your screen dies, now you have to take it to a dealer, and the whole unit gets replaced at a cost of well over a thousand dollars.
That Jeep I mentioned, it had a check engine light for three years. I took it to the dealer twice. Both times, they plugged in, ran some tests and told me it was just a communication error that will reset itself in a couple days. It did not reset itself. But, it did disable the remote start feature. So that was annoying.
I won't buy a jeep ever again because of that one.
I won't buy a 'modern' car because of all of their latest 'features' that take more and more repairability out of the hands of the owners. I will never buy any car that has a subscription for certain features that are built in but is disabled by software.
There's way too much Big Brother involved where it doesn't need to be.
Jacktheforkie@reddit
Mine had touchscreen and no buttons, now it’s got a base model head unit because the original one wasn’t functioning properly
Separate-Morning1064@reddit
And the radio would stay off. My pickup will turn back on after about 5 minutes unless you turn the volume all the way down
TaylorSwiftScatPorn@reddit
The battery isn't considered a user-serviceable component in my car. It's obnoxious to get it out and even more obnoxious that there's almost zero info out there/online about how to do it.
Jacktheforkie@reddit
I had to change the battery on my mums car, they didn’t even provide a handle to lift the 20kg unit out
Fat_Bearded_Tax_Man@reddit
I have 4 cars. None of them require the touchscreen to turn off the radio. All of them are less than 9 years old.
Macvombat@reddit
Can you imagine having a button that you can push that immediately turns off your stereo?? Maybe give it a logo of some sort.. Like a circle with a line through the top, not sure why but it seems appropriate.
Emotional-Ad-3613@reddit
Chrome bumpers, roll-up windows and none of these computerized safety features. There was a day when your car came with a manual with instructions about your timing belt. Today they come with a manual that tells you not to drink the radiator fluid.
Kernalpanic87@reddit
Sedans and coupes, everything is a stupid crossover now with bland styling. Character is missing in a lot of vehicles. Manual gearboxes. Simple trim models (think old ford rangers). Non CVT transmissions. Simplicity.
TRi_Crinale@reddit
100 times yes to manual transmission, especially manual transmission with rear wheel drive in regular cars. Bring back cars like the early 2000s Lexus IS300, compact sedan with manual transmission, rwd, and a good balance between fun to drive and economical.
JiveXP@reddit
most IS300s sold were automatic though. people don't buy manuals
TRi_Crinale@reddit
I know. This post is about wishes not logic, lol.
Also the OG is300 would have sold better if it were a Toyota and not marketed as a Lexus. The interior wasn't up to the quality buyers expected from Lexus and there's no way it was going to entice BMW drivers over. Market it as a spiritual successor to the 80s rwd Celica/Corolla and price it as such and it would have sold a lot better, including the manual transmission.
reddits_in_hidden@reddit
Right?? Like I want an SUV or a full frame STATION WAGON, FUCK OUTTA HERE with your crosstrek sportsUVwagsadan.
According_Flow_6218@reddit
And wtf are these 4-door “coupes”? That’s not a coupe, no matter what your marketing says.
DetectiveNarrow@reddit
An excuse to sell a sedan with no fucking head room or back seat space
According_Flow_6218@reddit
Also product differentiation. Mercedes can sell an E-class as two separate vehicles for different consumer groups: E-class and CLS-class “coupe”.
The_Phroug@reddit
dont forget about wagons and utes
Carlpanzram1916@reddit
I’m definitely with you on the sedans and coupe. Like, the thing missing from cars is that multiple car companies don’t make cars anymore 😭😭
Element_905@reddit
The American manufacturers have let the Koreans and Japanese dominate in the market for sedans and coupes for years now.
They just laid down and become crossover producers.
Skysr70@reddit
With you on that..Every car is incredibly similar and 'bland' nowadays.
Rockooch1968@reddit
Crotch vent. That vent under the steering wheel was a god send after working outside all day.
karrimycele@reddit
Style, and about 4 cylinders.
DookiePooky@reddit
Vent windows
Iowa-Andy@reddit
Bench seat. Can’t get a little frisky with a center console on the way!!
Giant ash trays to store $32 in change.
Giant rear seat area (I have a 59 Cadillac so I’m thinking that size) for getting friskier.
Curb feelers to avoid curbing your tires.
therealradberry@reddit
Style
RMF123456789@reddit
Air vent under the steering column!
CowNervous4644@reddit
That front bench seat where your girlfriend could slide over and sit right next to you with her tits rubbing on your arm as you drive.
Gypsyfella@reddit
Character
OGBullyninja@reddit
Brights on the floor
ron200000@reddit
Here is a feature i hate. early morning campgound still dark. I didnt want the lights to come on when i got in the car so i used the physical door key instead of the fob. That set off the dam alarm
bungy2323@reddit
Simplicity
Chasgee14@reddit
Wind wings
Single_Spare_9998@reddit
Maybe test, but the drivers.....eesh
1readitguy@reddit
style!
1readitguy@reddit
manual transmission with the stick on the console.
LagerHead@reddit
Not a thing. Cars today are objectively better in almost every respect. They last WAAAY longer, drive better, make more power, handle about a thousand times better, etc.
You can argue about looks, but that's purely opinion. I don't own a classic car precisely because of the reasons I outlined above.
Single_Spare_9998@reddit
Except the crinkle factor. A 5 mile an hour bump leads to thousands in repair. "But they are safer" how about making drivers safer instead. Extensive testing for a license? But no companies will complain about less sales and claims for disposable crinkle boxes. Not to forget the instability of these garbage miduv's hell back in the day it was exceedingly rare to see a rollover. Now they happen all the time.
JiveXP@reddit
Back in the day it was rare to see a rollover? Lmao
Single_Spare_9998@reddit
Only saw the 1 in two and a half decades come to think of it after 2010 I have only seen 2 aftermath rollovers and that was in Fl. Where are these horrific drivers located? As I would like to avoid those areas.
JiveXP@reddit
still doesn't change the fact that older SUVs test worse for rollovers
AdorablyDischarged@reddit
I bet that you never graduated high school, did you?
Single_Spare_9998@reddit
Actually college, and have been working on vehicles my entire life. I don't put it past corps to cheap out. If they find a way to remove a costly cast part for a quick solenoid link, they will. Little electric parts are far cheaper to produce. Already systems in development. So sit down.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Testing by whom, the government bureaucrat that can't drive either?
Single_Spare_9998@reddit
Well the driving tests now are pay to win or at 18 whatever here you go. I had to spend weeks in a class and on a practice lot even before hitting the roads. They treat it like a right not a privilege anymore.
LagerHead@reddit
The crilnkle factor keeps drivers safer. Yeah, it sucks when you have to shell out the bucks for a minor collision, but it beats getting whiplash from the same minor collision.
Also, rollover crashes are less common than they used to be. In addition, the fatality rate, while still higher in rollover accidents, has decreased slightly as well.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
There absolutely are still features missing https://www.reddit.com/r/askcarguys/comments/1n7jf36/comment/nc81uji/
LagerHead@reddit
Just about every one of them was completely model dependent. Never had an old car that hid the wipers, for example. And seats that rotate out? You could count the models that had it on one hand with a couple of fingers missing. The rest are pretty much the same thing.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Everything is model dependent, that makes no sense.
LagerHead@reddit
It makes no sense to say those things are missing fun modern cars when they barely existed in older cars too. Guess we're both making no sense. 😉
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Common items where common and only went away due to regulation or technology improvements so can't/shouldn't be brought back. Those features where rare thus overlooked and can and should be though.
Nervous-Rush-4465@reddit
Mechanical testicles.
mohrbill@reddit
The little triangle side window that you can rotate 135 degrees and it blows cold air on my undercarriage.
FutureHendrixBetter@reddit
Swag
impreza77@reddit
Physical HVAC controls and those little triangular vent windows.
slammer66@reddit
Triangular window that rotated open and forced in fresh air
Rocketman_8591@reddit
Cornering lamps and true tilt steering.
JehovasWitnesProtect@reddit
Manual transmission
fenderman72@reddit
Floor mounted high beam switch
Effective_Taro4601@reddit
Buttons
sweedishcheeba@reddit
Volume knobs
bdgbill@reddit
It's all about the interior. Up until the 80's, each car had it's own unique interior design. There was chrome and interesting dash and instrument cluster design. There were cool consoles and shifters and seats etc. Now, you can buy a car like the Hellcat for 100k and get pretty much the same stupid, boring interior they stick in their mini-vans. I can't think of a single car made since the 70's that has an objectively cool interior. More specifically, I REALLY miss physical buttons and dials labeled with actual English words instead of these ridiculous 3mm square pictograms.
Neat-Substance-9274@reddit
Ashtrays and wind wings. Not that I smoke cigarettes, but I need them for other things...
Cold_Librarian9652@reddit
Hydraulic power steering > electric power steering
Milly1974@reddit
Actual knobs, switches, and shifter. Our GMC Terrain AT 4 has push button transmission gear selection.
OberonsGhost@reddit
Style. Think of the Art Decco look of the cars from the 1930's or the fins from the 1950's. And they say all cars look the same now because they have to be aerodynamic for various reasons but I would accept a little drag for the better look.
Lawineer@reddit
Rechargeable key fobs! Preferably wireless. I don’t get why this isn’t a thing.
Camera on top of pickup truck tailgate so you can see behind you when backing up with the tailgate down. They have 2000 other cameras everywhere else! Also, a camera so you can see the gooseneck when you have the bed cover folded up (those 3pc ones).
I’d also pay for a differential fluid temp reading. Weird place to cheap out.
Manual transmissions on sports cars.
Pleasant sounding door lock sounds. I’m looking at you GM. Why do my $100k cars make an obnoxious horn sound when I lock them or leave my keys inside? My 4Runner in 1999 had a pleasant chirp when I locked the doors.
isittimefordinner@reddit
Wing windows, kick panel vents, manual transmissions, rwd v8 sedans
ErwinSchrodinger64@reddit
Reliability. Reliability was going up without question. Then, the hybrid, turbo, mutli-screens, EPA standards, plastic engines, and so forth destroyed it.
FriendlyBologna417@reddit
Simply being a car. Modern cars are basically just a distraction on wheels; filled with pointless screens and features no one asked for or needs. All the latest engine technology is for saving a few miles per gallon, at a high future cost to the owner when it breaks. Everything's cheap, but cool-looking plastic. The whole thing is engineered to impress buyers on a test drive, and then suck in every way after.
The only positive changes I've seen in modern cars over my 2004 Buick Park Avenue are backup cameras and safety tech.
_f00lish_@reddit
Gooch coolers. Ventilated seats are nice, but having an air vent under the steering column pointing right between your legs is way more effective.
Also, risky and unique designs. We're starting to see some of that return with EVs, but I wish automakers would stop playing it safe and release some radical designs. I know it's not practical from a business perspective, but one can wish...
GetsWeirdLooks@reddit
I had a ‘71 and an ‘83 Volvo which had floor vents. They were great!
I am for anything that keeps air moving through the cabin. Being able to drive around with the rear hatch open (without being beeped at) or vents in the windshield would be welcome to me.
Lothar_Ecklord@reddit
YES. The muscle car era was born when Chrysler was like… here’s a grandma car… but what if we put a truck engine in it and then made it way faster? And the muscle car era was born. Lee Iacocca said.. hey, what if we make a cheap and adaptable platform and put everything on it, and the K cars and minivan (this further when he said “what if we make a car, but the body is really tall and long”) were born. Chrysler tried making a car powered by a jet engine because fuck it. The original model A and T could run on regular unleaded/petrol, diesel, biofuel, alcohol, and anything moderately flammable because they weren’t sure yet. Every so often, we get 4-wheel steering because hey, it might work this time.
AMC used to do things like - Larry on Livernois makes a great quarter panel. Let’s get some of those. We’ll take the hood from a Pontiac Fury… then a Ford 4-speed and a Dana rear end… the engine from a Chrysler Imperial… and…. Mirrors from Datsun. The rest, we make in house. And they were terrible but hilarious and unique. And also the AMC AMX had a 440 option.
ProfessionalMockery@reddit
I think that change is more a result of regulations heavily restricting what you can do now. For instance, lots of cars seem like they're the same shape now because they all need to be as aerodynamic as possible, and they're all way heavier because of safety requirements.
AlwaysBagHolding@reddit
AMC was also way ahead of its time with cars like the eagle wagon and SX4, and arguably the worlds first Luxury SUV with the wagoneer. They had crossovers decades before that was a thing. The XJ Cherokee was unlike anything else on the market and started the compact SUV craze.
It’s really sad they’re gone.
spezizacuk@reddit
The 4.0L I-6 AMC engine was the best engine that stellantis/jeep had it was a damn AMC engine
hankenator1@reddit
Eagle was Subaru before Subaru was really Subaru.
FirehawkLS1@reddit
I completely agree!
hankenator1@reddit
4 wheel steering does work well it’s just for the most part unnecessary and costly. Lots of great sporty cars had 4 wheel steering but the added complications from alignments to mechanical parts makes it more niche than mainstream.
_f00lish_@reddit
I wish GM would bring back their Quadrasteer system. Who wouldn't want the turning radius of a small sedan in their full-size SUV or truck???
porcelainvacation@reddit
My ‘50 Chevy pickup has a cowl vent with a scoop right below the windshield and that thing will blast the dust right off your boots.
evoltap@reddit
In regard to gooch coolers, I used to envision a product, that was either underwear or shorts, that a hose from the gooch cooler could plug into, dispersing that cool air right into your nether regions
_f00lish_@reddit
Haha I love it, kind of like holding open a leg of your shorts to let the breeze from a fan in. Shark Tank here we come!
Civil-Departure-512@reddit
Every time a manufacturer tries to be interesting, it gets called ugly so why try anymore. Also ventilated seats are way better than a crotch cooler. Got one of those vents in my C10 but even with ac on max (and it will give you frostbite), it doesn’t prevent swamp ass or a back soaked in seat.
Cipher1553@reddit
Agreed on the crotch cooler. Ventilated seats make leather seats worth entertaining in hotter climates because a crotch cooler does nothing for the seat trying to burn me.
Civil-Departure-512@reddit
I won’t buy a car with leather unless it has heated and cooled seats. Doesn’t matter if it’s a light colored leather, it still burns like hell in the summer and freezes you in the winter.
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
Fun designs and colors are sorely lacking in the market.
_f00lish_@reddit
Totally agree on colors! I think that's started to get a little bit better, but my bright blue car still sticks out like a sore thumb in parking lots. I'm glad for it though; seeing a sea of white, gray, and black cars just makes me sad lol
1988rx7T2@reddit
is a Cybertruck not a radical design (yes you hate Elon, I know)? Is what Kia is doing not totally different than what's out there? there's plenty of vehicles not playing it safe.
_f00lish_@reddit
I specifically called out the fact that we're seeing a slight return to radical designs in the EV space, which would encompass all of the vehicles you just listed, especially the Cybertruck ;)
I personally think we need more of it. Not everything will be a hit, but if every automaker started taking some risks with their designs like that, we would definitely end up with tons of cool-looking cars again.
Jdornigan@reddit
Take a look at this article:
Every Car Looks Like This Thanks To A Gigantic Regulatory Loophole
There's a reason why most mainstream crossovers and SUVs look basically the same: A legal loophole that every major automaker is happy to exploit https://www.jalopnik.com/every-car-looks-like-this-thanks-to-a-gigantic-regulato-1849837803/
_f00lish_@reddit
It's been a while, but I definitely remember reading that article when it was polished. It's a shame, really, as now all we get are homogenous blobs floating down the roads.
centexAwesome@reddit
Floorboard headlight dimmer switch.
The5thVikingHorseman@reddit
Vent windows on old cars and trucks. When I smoked you could open them and not worry about smoke in your truck.
Intrepid_Ad1133@reddit
Analog gauges
Thewayliesbeforeyou@reddit
Wing vents
Tanglrfoot@reddit
Individuality. If you park a dozen cars or SIVs in a parking lot you would be hard pressed to tell them apart from 50 feet , and they will all be white, black or shades of grey ,with the occasional red one to spice things up.
Oh-my-why-that-name@reddit
Design.
Modern cars basically look like a lady shaver.
ActionJackson75@reddit
The little windows flip open in a way that pushes extra wind into the cabin. In general cars are designed too much around AC usage and not enough around window usage, bring back windows down
apeceep@reddit
Thats because AC is more fuel efficient than opening windows.
Hedonismbot-1729a@reddit
MythBusters did an episode on that urban legend. Below 50MPH windows open was more efficient. At higher speeds AC was the winner.
DBDude@reddit
It all really depends on more variables than they tested, including the aerodynamics of the car.
I like Mythbusters, but they don't always get it right. For example, they blew the "shoot a sniper through the scope" episode by first using a non-period scope, the wrong rifle and cartridge, and then by not using the correct ammo when they got a period scope.
ErikSchwartz@reddit
It's a fun TV show but they are clearly technicians not scientists.
The thing they always screw up is using scale models. Someone needs to teach them about the square-cube law.
ivanvector@reddit
I always heard 70km/h (around 45MPH), but I'm sure it varies by car.
bonestamp@reddit
Either way, the difference is so negligible that people should just do whichever they prefer.
apeceep@reddit
If it was urban legend, modern cars wouldn't start beeping at you to close windows.
Mytybusters aren't known to be the most knowledgeable a out cars, see e.g. the golf pimple car episode which was produced after production cars had had pimples for many years.
Hedonismbot-1729a@reddit
What modern car beeps at you to close the windows? Regardless, I roll with the wind in my hair when the weather is nice.
ActionJackson75@reddit
Definitely. I'm just saying that windows down seems to be an afterthought for modern cars and it's a really nice way to drive if you're not flying at 75mph. It's like the windows are just for drive throughs now.
bonestamp@reddit
Every car I've owned seems to have an optimal front windows down this much, back windows down that much to avoid buffeting. It would be awesome if there was a "memory" window button like the memory seat button.
BlackmoorGoldfsh@reddit
That's fine until your AC goes out in the middle of Summer. Also, sometimes I just want to have the windows down in nice weather.
Relevant_Cause_4755@reddit
Should have regassed it in the spring.
_Thorshammer_@reddit
Sure, but I'm not interested in cars being designed to meet somewhat arbitrary federal standards, I want a car that does what I want it to.
Elvis1404@reddit
Lol, I get 4km/L (9.5mpg) less when I turn on the aircon on my car
Skysr70@reddit
depends on the speed and amount of cooling you want
MaritimesRefugee@reddit
Butterfly windows where I come from..
Boingo_Zoingo@reddit
I call them wings. Have them on my 88 Bronco2 and drove a whole summer in Las Vegas without using the AC. Impossible in a modern car
letsgorangers12345@reddit
Vent windows! Yes. Miss them.
Hedonismbot-1729a@reddit
Yes, bring back the window wings. 🤘
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
They were called wing windows, and at their peak they were even power.
kilgore_trout_kv@reddit
Did you mean smokers windows? Used to draw smoke out of the car?
ActionJackson75@reddit
I haven't heard them called that but yes, that's what I'm talking about. Quarter windows, wind wings, wing windows, same idea.
No_South_9912@reddit
Most modern cars HEAT the outdoor air, even when the HVAC system is in plain vent mode.
ActionJackson75@reddit
Yeah good point, it would also be nice to have a dedicated vent path that bypasses the rest of the AC system so you get fresh air and more of it.
mr_mgs11@reddit
One thing I noticed about the last car that I had shitty AC in was how discolored the head liner would get after having the windows down all the time. If your driving near other cars its much better for you to have the windows up and the AC on instead of inhaling more fumes. I used to firmly be in the windows down camp and would feel claustrophobic with them up all the time. That headliner got me over it.
ActionJackson75@reddit
True. It's miserable to be surrounded by traffic and fumes with windows down. I'd just like the balance to be tipped a little more towards the option of windows down, and the little scoop windows are so nice because you get a lot of air with less noise.
OldBanjoFrog@reddit
Vent windows
Buttons and analog knobs
NortonBurns@reddit
Handbrake on the outside.
Always a classic feature.
bitchpigeonsuperfan@reddit
Direct steering and throttle response
Andres7B9@reddit
Heated seats with a simple on-off switch 😂
thehappiestdad@reddit
A soul
TuvixHadItComing@reddit
I don't even know why but I'd like to see at least some cars come with an ashtray. I don't smoke, and if I did I probably wouldn't smoke in the car. But like...cars used to have ashtrays! And cigarette lighters.
nickmiller_of_pgh@reddit
Knobs, dials, buttons. Manual transmission.
bobadrew@reddit
Triangle window on front doors!
Embarrassed_Pay3945@reddit
The capability to work on them
shquidwaters@reddit
Being able to fix s* easily. But I understand that the complexity of modern cars is why they perform so much better and have way more functionality.
If your getting a project car, something simple makes it so much more enjoyable to wrench on.
I have some volvo 240s and 70s GM cars. Dead easy to repair, no instructions needed and it's easy.
I have an 02 Volks Beetle as a project atm. It's batshit insane how much engineering has gone into everything. Instructions needed every time, so I don't brake some brittle plastic s*. It's enjoyable working on something technical, but it just takes too much time and energy. Also spare parts are a pain in the arse.
Gdroid5@reddit
Those little vent windows
ratelbadger@reddit
I think all the screens and blue leds are a terrible idea. So distracting. Give me simple interfaces with big mechanical buttons and knobs. Life is complicated enough
Secret-Writer5687@reddit
Quality tire feedback and unobstructed sight lines.
thewickedbarnacle@reddit
I miss the little vent window
No_Awareness_3472@reddit
Driver and passenger vented windows
Sad_Refrigerator_730@reddit
Manual transmissions
Buttons and dials
Cost effective ownership
Simplicity
Ancientways113@reddit
Cig lighter (not just the outlet)
red18wrx@reddit
Pop-up-and-down headlights
MarcusAurelius0@reddit
Seats that turn so you can get out of the car easier.
Snurgisdr@reddit
Colours.
TicTwitch@reddit
Style. Intentional and functional style.
Either-Somewhere1386@reddit
Personality
evangreffen@reddit
The ability to work on, repair and do maintenance yourself without having to pay thousands of dollars for replacement parts.
Smykster@reddit
soft smooth suspension. I feel like everything has to be "sport tuned" now.
Any-Description8773@reddit
Dimmer switch on the floor, dash vents, wing glass, and for the love of Christ give me back real knobs and switches!
dug99@reddit
Vulnerability. No airbags, no ABS, no crumple zones. We die like men.
Lopsided-Bench-1347@reddit
Bumpers that actually work and can be used more than once if you bump into something
THE_ENWERD@reddit
Real exhaust tips
oneaccountaday@reddit
Cars now take less and less skill to actually operate.
It used to be a “barrier to entry” to drive, now it’s so easy kids can drive.
Push button transmissions, “3 on the tree”, manual levers, even floorboard high beams.
Didn’t even have electric start for decades, and took a few more decades for automatic transmissions.
I don’t want to dick around with adjusting timing on the fly, but man all this new tech, and automation makes it easier for incompetent people to get behind the wheel.
300hp really isn’t shit anymore. My motorcycles make 150-200hp now.
Hour_Badger2700@reddit
High beam switch on the floor.
Late-Button-6559@reddit
Points of difference.
Many people incorrectly say ‘built to last’ or ‘more reliable’, or ‘less maintenance’, but that’s not true.
But lots of cars from pre 2000, and especially pre 1990 had unique features, or brand identity.
That’s gone now. Everyone tries to do the same as their competitors for fear of taking a risk.
SummertimeThrowaway2@reddit
CD players
JayTheFordMan@reddit
Driving feel and connection. Classic cars are so much more of a visceral experience, when things are mechanical and analogue there is a pleasure to it, from steering input to the noise
-srry-@reddit
The main one for me is visibility. I know we're not going to get it back (safety), but an old car with pencil-thin pillars is something to behold. Nothing like having a nearly uninterrupted panoramic view of your surroundings in a classic sedan. Even vehicles from just a few decades ago had thinner pillars and better visibility, especially out the rear. Now even the A-pillars are so thick that they've created a blind spot right in front of you, and the rear windows are sometimes unusable which I guess they've supplemented with cameras. Driving old cars is freeing. Driving a modern car feels like looking out at the world from the window of a soundproof bunker.
Libido_Max@reddit
No catalytic converter
reddits_in_hidden@reddit
Normal headlights that dont blind you even during the day. Brights/high beams are understandable, but your regular ol headlights? Why do you need to signal mars with your regular headlights!
AislaSeine@reddit
Classic and pre-modern cars didn't sell our data, audio recordings and driving habits. See the Mozilla foundation's report on each car manufacturer's practices.
Healthy-Mode-7082@reddit
I miss the high low beam on the dloor
According_Flow_6218@reddit
Front bench seats so your lady could sit in the middle.
Toxic-Park@reddit
You ever watch old tv or movies from the 50s or 60s, and more often than not drivers will get in on the RIGHT side and just scoot across the bench into drive position!
It’s wild to see. But once you notice it; they did it all the time.
I honestly can’t tell if that was just a tv thing, or if people actually did that, regularly.
QLDZDR@reddit
90s sportscar style.
Ti290@reddit
Bench seats in the front. The youth of today is missing out on the joy of having a significant other sit in the center seat up front directly next to them while driving.
Psychological-Age602@reddit
Keys. If my battery dies and my doors are locked, I can't get into my car to open the hood.
dub423@reddit
NON power steering on a rear engine 70s era Porsche 911 is unmatched in driver feels!
Automatater@reddit
Minding their own business?
LGreyS@reddit
Stick shift.
Single_Spare_9998@reddit
Until age 19 I never saw a rollover crash. That was a 90's Jimmy. Since the micro SUV boom I have seen them personally more than ever. At least once a year.
Still would never buy a digital car as drive by wire is a hell no. I will pass on any lag between controls to wheels ( steering, parking brake, or brakes themselves) work on technology and you see the lag and continuous failures of 'solidly' tested products. Most importantly, there is no fair trade off to protect crappy inattentive drivers who think there is such a thing as multi-tasking.
somerandom_person1@reddit
I'm pretty sure there's no car with drive by wire brakes
Single_Spare_9998@reddit
I hope not, but it wouldn't surprise me if in the future, because it could possibly be made cheaper.
Uncle-Istvan@reddit
Steering feel. Basic 3 knob climate control. Climate vents above the screen.
I also wish all cars with power windows had the VW thing to put all the windows up or down from outside the car.
AFinanacialAdvisor@reddit
It's usually a long press of the open button on the key fob.
bonestamp@reddit
BMW and VW disable that feature on a lot of their cars in North America.
SignedJannis@reddit
Happily, you can easily re enable that feature:)
For BMW: a $30 obd Bluetooth device off Amazon, and the Bimmercode phone app.
sohcgt96@reddit
MK7 GTI still got that right, still has the 3 knobs and you can easily operate them without looking when you're used to them. Vents are over the screen, screen does not dominate the dash. I never thought a FWD car would feel that good to drive as a daily. Have never driven a MK8 yet, sounds like they got roasted pretty bad for the interior changes.
Uncle-Istvan@reddit
I had a mk7. It was an amazing car in so many ways. The button to screen ratio was great. The climate controls were just what I want. Windows went up and down without getting in the car and turning it on. Lacked steering feel, but it was probably the best all-around car I’ll ever own.
DetectiveNarrow@reddit
My 2012 Altima and 2003 fx45 can roll all the windows down from the key fob. Can’t roll em up tho
No_South_9912@reddit
110% agree on the basic HVAC controls. Temp/Fan physical knobs. Floor/Vent/Def can be 3 physical buttons or a knob.
I'm fine with climate vents on the sides of the screen, no different than vents on the sides of the radio on older cars. I've not seen vents above the radio since the Single DIN/2 knob days.
Uncle-Istvan@reddit
It’s the climate vents below the screens that irk me. I can’t get cold air on my face while driving with them that low.
Busy-Wolf-7667@reddit
tbf, a lot of rwd cars still have really good or better steering feel. but yeah with modern fwd/awd cars, the suspension & other components are definitely designed for a more “comfy” ride as opposed to better control/feel.
i’m so genuinely scared for/of drive by wire and break by wire cars coming in the future. feedback decided by the manufacturer, input delay, wiring & electrical failures leading to crashes. a terrible future i’m not looking forward to.
hs_doubbing@reddit
My 2016 Honda Accord lets me put them DOWN from the fob, but not back up. It’s idiotic. I’ve sometimes done it by accident. To roll them back up, I have to remove the emergency key from the fob and put it in the door. Either that or turn on the ignition, of course.
Honestly, this Accord is the most half-baked car design I’ve ever experienced. Everything feels like nobody thought about it for more than 5 seconds.
3dprintedthingies@reddit
They're Japanese.
I bet it took hundreds of meetings to finally decide to implement a feature everyone else had for a decade, but because they're so conservative, the committee only agreed to the down function.
Everyone wants to trash Americans for being indecisive but Christ, it's like you have to reinvent all of science to get the Japanese to see the future of 20 years ago...
Toyota still can't figure out a turbo V6 which Ford, Ford the screw up, has reliably had for over 10 years in their mass production trucks. Christ, all they had to do was ruggedize the heads and use thicker rod material with the right ring gap and their old designs would have been good enough...
hs_doubbing@reddit
The 2007 Accord has the same feature and same quirk, except it uses a normal key making it slightly less ridiculous.
I don’t understand your prejudice against Japanese engineers. They’re often quite brilliant. Honda is just not what it used to be, and hasn’t been since 2006. There is not a single car in their lineup post-2006 that I care to own, except maybe a Civic Si.
Ben2018@reddit
A lot of things that seem dumb are because they're intentionally dumbed-down for US market. VW does the same thing - key in door operates windows, because a case can be made that someone is supervising the window operation. It doesn't work via fob* because then maybe someone could possibly roll them up while a child happens to be crawling through the window and despite having anti-pinch function the lawyers say the US is very litigious and it's all too risky so let's just disable it - the US car makers don't do it so we're not sticking our necks out.
*unless the feature is re-enabled w/ one of the diagnostic tool options.
e7c2@reddit
I think this is a common car feature, I remember a mazda salesperson showing it to me in about 2006. if anything I'd want to remotely CLOSE the windows.
billy310@reddit
The 2019 Civic was similar
Fun_Variation_7077@reddit
I don't know why people act as if steering feel is a thing of the past. Plenty of old cars had loose, lifeless steering. Plenty of new cars have sharp steering with feedback.
TRi_Crinale@reddit
In most new cars the "feedback" is artificially added and not real road feel. Sure plenty of old cars had lifeless steering, but those aren't the cars people are talking about in this case. People miss old enthusiast cars like BMW e30, Integra Type R, 240sx, etc.
itsjonduhh@reddit
I had to code that feature into my base model GTI 😑
snootchiebootchie94@reddit
Steering feel and knobs are what I want as well.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
My Chrysler with Tazer will do the window thing. Comes close on the others.
Bobmcjoepants@reddit
Some do have that feature, mainly some Hyundai's and Ford's. GM pickup trucks also have a global open switch on the inside, though it doesn't also global close which ???
AggressiveKing8314@reddit
The wing window at the front of the door. Also a pull knob that opens a floor vent to outside.
caerusflash@reddit
T tops
Weekly_Barnacle_485@reddit
Vent windows.
SAD-MAX-CZ@reddit
Simple controls, responsive throttle and steering that tells you conditions of the road. We now have up to 1s lag in pushing the throttle and even release throttle, in the crappiest electronic throttle cars.
Also 2-DIN slot. Let me choose my infotaintment and keep you buggy BS to yourself, car makers.
Comfy seats that don't try to push my head between my nipples and make my spine shrimp prawn. Ajustable headrests to back, not with a vise and pry bar.
Access to engine components and wear stuff. I don't want to rip off entire suspension just to change oil filter.
jazzhandsfuckyou@reddit
Arm rests.
facticitytheorist@reddit
Pop up headlights
Kinsholon@reddit
Cool 90s digital dashes and driver centric dashes
Intrxvert_ed@reddit
Crotch vents and steering wheel mounted climate controls. The latter is mind boggling to me that it ever faded away.
theLogic1@reddit
A Personality A fun car that normal people can afford and want
graytotoro@reddit
Giant decals like "TWIN CAM 16 VALVE TURBO".
MacandMandy69@reddit
Personality
Liv4thmusic@reddit
Roll up windows, buttons, a real stereo....
Natural_Ad_7183@reddit
Crotch vent under the steering column. Ma boys get swampy
lillpers@reddit
Foot operated high beam switch.
No idea why they stopped doing that, I thought it worked great. Too many functions on my current indicator stalk.
ConversationLevel498@reddit
Easy to fix for the average person.
RedSunCinema@reddit
Probably an unpopular classic car feature, but I really miss the triangular windows on the front two doors that you could open to let air stream in, thus negating the need to roll your window all the way down when you didn't need the A/C on.
MrBubblehead72@reddit
Vent windows.
szatrob@reddit
While I get that digital speedometre is more accurate.
I am not a fan of the over dependance on everything being an LCD. I'm not suggesting the radio should be analog, but the speedometre can go back to being analog (although I do like my KIA Niro's HUD).
jibaro1953@reddit
Wing windows
Floor vents
Knobs
JackFate6@reddit
Side vent window, foot dimmer switch
T_Rey1799@reddit
Couches for seats. Every vehicle nowadays has those horrible bucket seat designs. Give me the long seats from the 70s in my car.
poorperspective@reddit
Bench front seat.
I don’t need a center console. I want leg room.
Icy_Barnacle_5237@reddit
Analog manual. Nothing beats the driving feel of a real manual sports car.
Fantastic_Joke4645@reddit
Simplicity. Easy to repair.
Brainfewd@reddit
Visibility, unfortunately safety standards like Beltline heights and such have made a lot of this almost impossible. Driving my e30 or my old XJ Cherokee is like a fishbowl.
Physical knobs and buttons should never have gone away either.
BLINGMW@reddit
E30 was great and you would like the 2002 even better!
Cousins got some new Lexus suv ev thing, I admit it was pretty sharp looking until I realized that if I wanted to rest my arm on the sill, I think my arm would be straight out, shoulder height. Lol
Brainfewd@reddit
I’ve driven a 2002 and it’s a delightful experience. You are right, it feels like there’s more glass than anything else lol.
mike_d85@reddit
Not all the belt line height is for meeting safety standards. Subaru has noticbly lower belt lines and I can put my arm in the window while driving comfortably.
pjrnoc@reddit
I once test drove a Hyundai coupe like this. It was incredible, you literally couldn’t see anything. I never see them on the road now that I think about it.
Brainfewd@reddit
Years ago I heard The Smoking Tire podcast say that driving a newer gen Camaro was “like driving a sweatshirt with the hood tied closed.” I later got in one and said to myself “holy shit they were spot on”
Fun_Variation_7077@reddit
As someone who likes to sit close to the floor, these beltlines and cowl height irritate the hell out of me. I don't like sitting up high, but these newer cars basically force me to.
SafetyMan35@reddit
The crotch Air conditioning vent
Present_Coconut_4101@reddit
I agree on physical buttons and dials. My car was purchased a year before they went to a touchscreen. I don't know how people can use them while driving and I assume it would be similar to the effects of texting while driving. If I want to adjust the volume to my radio or turn up the air conditioner, I can remember where these knobs are and also can tell if I am touching the radio volume instead of the air conditioner. I can do all this without taking my eyes off the road. If I had a touchscreen, I would probably have to hit some menu option then select radio volume or air conditioning volume from a drop down then select "+" or "-" to increase or decrease. While adjusting, I need to be looking at the screen when a volume knob I know what the volume is without even looking at the control. Still I'm curious what happens when a touch screen goes out in a car with only a touchscreen? Many functions such as parking brakes and even headlights are controlled through touch screens. If your touch screen fails, wouldn't you be screwed since you would no longer have access to a lot of your controls?
PollutionOld9327@reddit
Style
West_Prune5561@reddit
Bench front seat
ChangeForAParadigm@reddit
I really liked the floor-mounted high beam switch.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Why?
RobertNeyland@reddit
So I can keep my right hand in the 1PM position while driving on the highway at night and still be able to cycle between high and low beams as oncoming traffic presents itself.
ucbiker@reddit
Surely, you’re more likely to need high beams when your hand is in the 1AM position.
RobertNeyland@reddit
...ya got me
cans-of-swine@reddit
Cigarette in one hand beer in the other and steering with your knee, your left foot is the only way to switch the high beams on when there is oncoming traffic.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
This is what auto high beams are for.
Simmo2222@reddit
No need to put down your beer
AudiB9S4@reddit
Floor switch for high beams.
surmatt@reddit
Pop-up headlights.
reddersledder@reddit
I wouldn't mind having wing windows.
Dirty_Jersey_@reddit
I have an Audi and a Bronco
I chose a 2-door base-ish model Bronco with no sensors/cameras/auto-dim anything & vinyl seats/minimal infotainment bullshit
Why? Because I hate the goddamn touch screens and worrying if something is going to be spilled/tear the Valcona leather seats
Audi is sexy af. But just like a smoke show of a woman; the screens cameras and sensors are high maintenance and will hurt your wallet
Bronco is like the thick girl you know. Basic, sturdy, can take a pounding and looks really good when cleaned up
CurrentStructure7960@reddit
The AC vent that points directly at your balls.
That-Resort2078@reddit
Wing Windows
sum_dude44@reddit
stick
mike_d85@reddit
Opening rear windows. Station wagons, SUVs and almost every single pickup had them in the 80s and 90s. I dont think it was a safety issue either. I think they just fell out of fashion.
hemibearcuda@reddit
On trucks, those vent windows just in front of the main windows. Some of us called them " smokers windows ".
You could crack them open for fresh air in a hurricane and not get a single rain drop in the truck or open them all the way for some ram air action into the cab to blow out any kind of stank.
I still drive a 96 bronco today, and those windows alone make me prefer it over my 2018 superduty.
tomnan24@reddit
Steel that prevents dents from marshmallows.
TraditionalSelf3750@reddit
Soul
gundrum@reddit
Not enough manual transmissions available now, and if they are, it's an expensive upgrade. Used to be manual was the base, and automatic was an upgrade. Now sportier cars all have clutch-free paddle shifters. Boring.
ElegantGate7298@reddit
Simple ergonomics. I have a 2019 with a three step process to turn high beams on and off (or auto adaptive mode). I would prefer a button on the floor. Old fashioned HVAC controls on my 76 Cadillac were better than my wife's 2025 Kia dual mode touch screen BS.
Lance8282@reddit
I liked the floor mounted dimmer switch
Necro138@reddit
Horseshoe shifters
GeoHog713@reddit
Keys
TDFPH@reddit
Metal and leather instead of plastic
Caca_Face420@reddit
Pop up headlights. If a cybertruck can drive around with their shape, pedestrians can deal with it.
ZookeepergameMean575@reddit
The sensor that senses another car coming on the highway and dims the headlight, that but it works all the time like lets say when a lifted truck is right behind me at the red light?
BeaverMartin@reddit
Style and aesthetics mostly. I find this especially egregious with electric vehicles since they are freed from the normal design constraints inherent in an ICE drivetrain.
dooodle007@reddit
The reliability of being hardware driven rather than having software lags and glitches
bonestamp@reddit
A la carte options. Just because I want surround view cameras doesn't mean I want a trailer hitch. There are a probably people who want a trailer hitch and don't want to pay for the surround view cameras.
FishMan4807@reddit
Analog feel.
Tlmitf@reddit
Colour.
So many cars come in various shades of black, grey, and white.
Where are the bright colours?
butts-ahoy@reddit
Fresh air vents! My first two cars (92 and 75) had a lever that allowed outside air through the vents with no fan assistance. You get a ton of airflow without fan noise.
Kdoesntcare@reddit
I miss when cars made people drive instead of assists doing everything for you.
bonestamp@reddit
Short drives, ya I want to be in control of everything. Long drives, give me all the good automated shit.
Carlpanzram1916@reddit
I go back on forth on this. I definitely like a drivers car. But when I was making a 1 hour commute to May job that started at 6am, I was just thinking I would pay ANYTHING for a self-driving car that would take me to work while I just caught a bit more sleep. Surely there’s room for both.
Kdoesntcare@reddit
That's the exact problem I have, people rely on the assists and don't pay attention to the road.
Sorry but a 1 hour commute is nothing. Even if it's a PITA drive full of stop lights and traffic that's really not a lot of driving.
It sounds like what you want is a driver, not driving assists. Set your sleep schedule so you go to bed early enough that you wake up early for work well rested. When I was working 9-5 11pm was my bedtime.
Carlpanzram1916@reddit
You are partly correct. I would like a car that effectively acts as a driver if needed. And sorry but an hour commute both ways fucking sucks. It’s literally 10 hours a week in traffic. 520 hours a year. That’s a little more than 3 weeks out of your life every year, just driving to work. Yes please, I’d like that time back if possible.
Otherwise-Ad6675@reddit
This. It makes for better drivers overall because you actually have to think about what you are doing instead of doing whatever you want and a computer hopefully fixes it if its wrong.
photogypsy@reddit
Dipsticks for the transmission. Let me check the level please. Let me change the fluid too. Sealed systems are idiotic.
OldRobert66@reddit
I want a heater/AC system with a slider ... slide it toward the red side and it makes heat come out of the vents. Want more heat? Slide it further. Want cold? Now slide it to the blue side. I hate modern systems where you set a temperature and then the car goes back and forth between heat and freezing cold air trying to hover somewhere around your selected temperature.
ItchyStitches101@reddit
Cigarette lighters
Correct_Advantage_20@reddit
High styling. Plush interiors.
Sacrilege454@reddit
Hideaway wipers like on a 70 corvette. The door ajar buzzer, flip up headlights, crank windows.
phonesmahones@reddit
Chrome!
KindaNeat420@reddit
I want my bass slider back
JackHammer256@reddit
Manual transmission
Hot-Analyst6168@reddit
Affordable Price.
Remarkable-Finish-88@reddit
Longevity
Parker51MKII@reddit
AM bands on radios with wide/narrow audio settings to accommodate the few stations still playing music.
NeedleGunMonkey@reddit
Full size spared
SinningAfterSunset@reddit
Cigarette lighter
jellobowlshifter@reddit
Bench seats.
1cebola@reddit
Any semblance of character. Modern cars have no character at all.
Then_Bar8757@reddit
Wing windows. Even on the rainiest days they're beautiful.
spezizacuk@reddit
Kleenex box holder
Triangle Vent windows that direct fresh air to the front passengers
Visibility, visibility, visibility (smaller A pillers and lower doors (ones you can put your elbow out on while driving)
Physical buttons for controls, real gauges that show not only mph and rpm but oil pressure, boost, etc
Ease for DIY projects
Hidden gas caps behind license plate or taillight
Gutter guards above windows
The “crotch” vent on old Japanese cars/trucks
Basic base models with roll up windows, manual locks, an actual key, door locks that you have to lift the outside handle while closing to lock it so a kid doesn’t lock your keys in the car
Steel bodies
Option for slick top roof (moonroof delete)
Foot activated switch for high beams
No auto start/stop BS
bobbobboob1@reddit
Style
SpaceCadet1016@reddit
Affordability
Infamous-Gift9851@reddit
Repairability
Harey-89@reddit
Visibility. The pillars have become so massive lately (for rollover protection) that they now are a blind spot themselves.
Traditional_Cap_4891@reddit
Durability. Old cars body and frames will outlast those of today.
BATorRAT@reddit
As cars get newer the push is for silent, smooth efficiency that insulates you from the outside world. That’s nice and desirable for the family transportation device but when I want to drive I much prefer my 1st generation Camaro or my Ferrari Modena. They are raucous and a little violent, it’s visceral with noise and smells and you are in the moment with the world on mute because none of that matters. That’s the soul of a cool car and it’s gone these days.
SimpleVegetable5715@reddit
Manual transmissions, knobs, and buttons. Also a non-electric emergency/parking brakes.
ironmanchris@reddit
Cars had uniqueness, they had style, they had beauty. You could see a car coming and know the year/make/model. I can close my eyes and imagine a 67 GTO. Today's cars all look alike.
bolunez@reddit
Would be nice if you could choose from more colors other than black, white, and 12 shades of grey.
Arrgh98@reddit
Style, desirability, uniqueness
Mediocre-Community75@reddit
Front BENCH seat.
Used to be able to have 3 people in front.
XDevils41X@reddit
For most luxury brands a damn oil Dipstick!!!
Superb_Dirt5946@reddit
The tiny picnic tables older crvs came with
teefau@reddit
If it is meant to be an enthusiast car, it needs to rear wheel drive. I might be old school, but this is not up for debate.
Habitualflagellant14@reddit
Originality
Individual-Cut4932@reddit
Style
supern8ural@reddit
Forgot to mention, STOP TRYING TO REINVENT THE SHIFTER.
Stickshifts seem to be a dying breed anyway, but there are only a few variants of the basic H-pattern and they're more or less understandable. Once you note where reverse is and that it's not a dogleg you're GTG.
now the PRNDL has been standardized since the mid 60s, why are we fucking with it now? (isn't this what sadly killed Anton Yelchin?)
pisspeeleak@reddit
It's more like
PRIND . M
Now, which I do think is better
What I hate is buttons. Why buttons? And a button e brake? Crazy
supern8ural@reddit
Knobs also need to die. Both for automatic transmissions and transfer cases. And yes give me a proper handbrake please and thank you.
DetectiveNarrow@reddit
Just the ability to work on your own shit. Simple engine bays. My 2003 FX45 is a V8 AWD performance SUV and you Can fix just about everything up there yourself with ease. You could fit a toddler in the engine bay. Modern cars now be like “ step one for alternator replacement: get car into service position ( aka drop the fucking subframe) also cheaping out with plastic parts. BMW been doing it but that’s to be expected with them, no reason a base model commuter car should have a damn plastic oil pan.
SoggyBacco@reddit
Popup headlights. Need I say more?
EverSeeAShitterFly@reddit
I kinda want to say fuck it and build a two door performance car with a big block V8, manual transmission, smokers windows, pop up headlights. All the controls inside will be like you’re in some cold war aircraft- tape gages, toggle switches, knobs, dome lights will be a no shit rheostat. The seats might as well be a couch.
Traction control? Air bags? Fuck that. If you die, you die.
kanda4955@reddit
Styling above all.
And I like that you could order a refrigerator white Plymouth Belvedere with dog dish hubcaps and a 426 max wedge with 2 4 barrels.
Jacktheforkie@reddit
Manual transmission, it offers a lot of control
MisterMischief69@reddit
The brights foot button.
Suspicious-Ad6129@reddit
I want a manual transmission, an actual key for the doors and the starter. There should be easily accessible tie down hooks/loops front and back, also in the trunk area and not made of fing plastic... lets make things like spark plugs/coils, air filter, oil filter etc accessible. Having an actual spare tire instead of a shitty air inflator... actual sturdy jacking points not a pinch point between two chunks of sheet metal... more yellow light headlights not these fing super white/blue lights. Eliminate automatic daytime running lights with no tail lights... god i see so many idiots who never turn their headlights on... and they vanish in a bit of fog or weather...
bayygel@reddit
Bring back the crotch vent!
hermit22@reddit
Simplicity
mikkowus@reddit
Better engine access. More bolts, less plastic clips that break
WolverinesRevolt@reddit
Crotch level AC vent.
davemich53@reddit
Wing windows.
Hutwe@reddit
T-tops
Much_Box996@reddit
Dipsticks
Vivid_Witness8204@reddit
Large engines with carburetors. The sound and feel of those cars was very different. I wouldn't argue it was better but they were fun to drive.
BeelzeBob629@reddit
Manual transmissions, physical dials and buttons, and a lack of dashboard iPads, terrain following radar, and 360° infrared cameras. I want to drive a car, not sit in a robot.
Wide-Engineering-396@reddit
Cigarette lighters and ash trays
zinger301@reddit
Ball chiller.
SK10504@reddit
- tactile buttons/dials
- mechanically actuated door handles
- ability to service your own vehicle easily vs needing special diagnostic tools/devices...remember changing the distributor cap/rotor?
Different-Bag-8217@reddit
Engagement.
1998 BMW E30 M3
1966 Ford Mustang 302 win/pax supercharger t5
1966 VW Bug 2275 monster
belairis@reddit
“Wing” windows!
yamacat88@reddit
The crotch cooler
WiseShoulder4261@reddit
A bench seat, so my back doesn’t hurt on long drives. These modern cocoon seats and forward leaning headrests are brutally uncomfortable.
turdbugulars@reddit
Style
pkupku@reddit
Affordability
Nitfoldcommunity@reddit
Affordable price
jpttpj@reddit
Style
Adventurous-Pop4731@reddit
Cowl vents to let air inside the car.
gwcrim@reddit
Headlight dimmer on the floor.
Additional-Cut8385@reddit
Ball chiller vent
nixiebunny@reddit
The Choke knob in my Volvo 544 is one of my favorites. Who needs an engine that always starts when I can pull this knob out to some distance that will counteract the coldness of the air, then remember to gradually push it back in as the engine warms up?
basedonreallife@reddit
Curb feeler (or something that accomplishes the same thing). And tires with decent sized sidewalls.
Canelosaurio@reddit
The crotch vent just under the steering wheel
Jaded-Rate4011@reddit
The high profile tyres.more comfortable ride and less chance for curb rashes and alloy/rim damage
Jlt230@reddit
That raw analog feeling.
Jugzrevenge@reddit
Solid ladder frames and axles. Simplicity. Normal sized rims. Front bench seats. Manual transmissions. Locking hubs(unlocking hubs). Diff lockers. Lack of engine shrouding.
Inconsequentialish@reddit
1) Wing windows
2) Simpler, smaller pickups. Get rid of the "area rule" and "chicken tax" and build usable 2-door pickups on a reasonable scale. Offer more long bed options.
2a) "Utes" in the USA. Car in the front, truck bed in the back.
The Hyundai Santa Cruz and Ford Maverick are baby steps in this direction, but with vestigial beds in order to stuff in those four doors.
lauriehouse@reddit
I reaaaaly hate how shitty modern day trucks are. All cab and no bed.
Vegetable_Analyst740@reddit
Vent windows, floorboard dimmer switch, regular frickin ignition key w/separate trunk key.
Joosrar@reddit
Hear me out, seats that rotate. My uncle Monte Carlo’s passenger seat could rotate to the back, it was really cool.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Some cars had seats that would rotate towards the door opening when the door was opened. It was a fantastic feature that would sell like crazy today to older folks.
Joosrar@reddit
That’s exactly what I mean
BTCminingpartner@reddit
Style
TheMadThrasher@reddit
Hidden headlights
51line_baccer@reddit
A stereo.
lionbacker54@reddit
Long hoods
Sharp lines
Small grills
LeSueurTiger@reddit
Outside air venting at the pull of a knob.. blasting the floor mats
Turtlehedz@reddit
Metal parts that last. Not plastic.
haqglo11@reddit
Wind wings
dfstell94@reddit
Natural aspiration. Manual transmission. Only two doors. Light weight.
ChangeForAParadigm@reddit
Full-size spare tire.
Busy-Wolf-7667@reddit
oh god i’m so thankful my ‘21 outback has a full size spare! getting my trim level i did was a good part of that, some trims from certain manufacturers don’t even have the space for the full size spare to prevent you from just getting your own.
BackgroundGrass429@reddit
1000 upvotes if I could.
Jocko2112@reddit
How about a spare tire at all! They don't want to make room for even a donut so they put run fists on which ride wise and cost a month to replace. So many cars out there now without run flats because they cost too much and no spare. So a flat tire now requires a tow!
Heavy_Choice_1577@reddit
a soul
FANTOMphoenix@reddit
Simplicity, easy to work on, manual transmission variants. Smaller in size.
Background-Chef9253@reddit
Mechanical linkage from controller to controlled thing. Gas pedal linked to throttle cable to throttle. Door handle linked to cable to door-release. Gas cap opener linked via cable to gas-cap cover-flap. Etc.
Bustin_Chiffarobes@reddit
Hood ornaments.
The more giant and garish the batter.
ThirdSunRising@reddit
Vent windows. Generally these were loved by smokers and went out a bit before the ashtrays did.
Physical knobs to control the heater and AC. Nobody asked for this computerized crap. Some folks love to set and forget at a comfortable temperature, sure, and that should still be an option, but if I want to melt the ice off my boots with unreasonably hot air, or just blow ambient outside air in my face without heating or cooling it, I shouldn’t have to fight with an interface to accomplish these simple things.
Stick shifts. I like having three pedals thank you.
The little lever on the floor that pops the trunk. Lots of cars make you do that from the fob these days and some even make you shut the car down, where we used to just pop the trunk from the drivers seat so our passenger could grab their bag out of the trunk. Super easy and I don’t know why we moved away from that.
Rear windows you could see out of. Hop into an old car and note how well you can see out the back. Today we need cameras.
magari05@reddit
I’m a car interior designer, retired. I know it all. It’s a hodgepodge of interface/technology problems, and materials and form design. It’s a hobby career and so challenging! AMA
VW-MB-AMC@reddit
Vent windows
Physical buttons, knobs and dials.
Front bench seats.
The ability to sense the road surface through the steering wheel.
An inviting and pleasant outer appearance.
Being DIY friendly.
SevereAlternative616@reddit
Sharp angles. Cars now a days all look like jelly beans
jakeh36@reddit
V6 Sedans
Milnoc@reddit
A physical key with an immobilizer chip.
amishbill@reddit
Manual wing and foot vents.
Extension-Scarcity41@reddit
Style....
kaxx1975@reddit
Ash tray
No_Yogurtcloset_6008@reddit
Manual Transmission.
Educational-Vast5900@reddit
transmission dipsticks.
fredfenster@reddit
Bumpers that could actually bump things.
Carlpanzram1916@reddit
So true. I do like all the features like smart cruise control but damn a plastic bumper is soooo expensive to replace now because there’s like 10 sensors built into it.
GT_Pork@reddit
Suspension travel and ride quality
Annual-Duty-6468@reddit
I 100% miss the amazing color choices. I don't want grey, silver, white or black
DudeInOhio57@reddit
Vent windows
Suitable-Ad6999@reddit
Gauges. Oil pressure, coolant temp, battery level.
My car only has on/off warning for oil and temp. No transducer they can give you a reading. Only if too high/low.
HalfFrozenSpeedos@reddit
tactile i.e. physical controls you can use without having to take your eyes off the road aka via use of "muscle" memory.
Vehicle shapes that aren't jacked up oversized bricks on wheels i.e. something other than SUVs and crossovers
supern8ural@reddit
Design elements: I love simple yet informative dashboards with clear dials and attractive styling.
Two of my favorites are the original Porsche 944 and the '55 Studebaker Speedster.
Driving qualities: Sadly, thanks to modern safety regs, we will never have cars quite as light and nimble as the small sports cars of the late 60s. Would love to have a Lotus Elan except, well, Lotus.
NeuroguyNC@reddit
Those little swing-open "wing" windows just behind the A-pillar.
JimVivJr@reddit
A clutch. They don’t seem to make stick shifts anymore, and I miss them.
Fydron@reddit
Simplicity
Desperate-4-Revenue@reddit
High beams on the floor
rockdude625@reddit
The AC vent pointed right at your balls
TheBanyai@reddit
Real wood and leather on anything other than top-end luxury cars. Toggle switches.
_redlines@reddit
Mechanical simplicity. Design simplicity. We love cars, things, equipment, even colleagues, etc that do their job without drama.
jailfortrump@reddit
Style, class, interesting paint colors. reasonable prices.
Neuvirths_Glove@reddit
Wing vents on the front windows.
Necessary-Carrot2839@reddit
Manual transmissions!!!
PckMan@reddit
There is zero reason to get rid of the handbrake.
LifeWithAdd@reddit
I restore classic cars and many early 60s Fords have galvanized frames. As someone who daily drives a Tacoma I’d love to see that come back.
toofarfromjune@reddit
A spare tire of any kind even a donut. The lack of them in the highest of performance vehicles was almost something I could tolerate without laughing but when they do it on a standard vehicle the blatant cost cutting is so cringe.
Jocko2112@reddit
At least a setting to remove the accelerator pedal delay. When I'm about to get hit and need to stomp on the gas the last thing i need is a 2s delay! Even worse is when im accelerating, then need to suddenly let off the gas (like getting cut off trying to get on the freeway) and it takes a full second for the car to respond!
OPGuest@reddit
Mechanical feel. Nowadays it’s mostly feel by-wire, with self adjusting steering and such, and I hate that.
Nice_Emphasis_39@reddit
Physical throttle cable from pedal to manifold. Instantaneous throttle response and no drive by wire lag from electronics intervening to optimize MPG…
funkmachine7@reddit
Couner windoes.
ZookeepergameWild776@reddit
Tailfins and lots of chrome
lndoors@reddit
It didn't steal your data and sell it.
proscriptus@reddit
Vent windows and fresh air foot vents. So refreshing.
Another_Slut_Dragon@reddit
Comfortable floaty boats with soft seats. Oh man big old cars were so comfortable. Road feel? LOL. The road is down there somewhere. Who cares. You are riding on a cloud.
Eagle_Fang135@reddit
No fresh air without going through the HVAC.
My old car without air conditioning had a setup where the driver and passenger vent could be set to fresh air while running heat on the dash for defrost. Seems the only way to get fresh air is to roll down the windows.
Sometimes I just want outside temp air. Not have to play with the temperature settings.
Fat_Bearded_Tax_Man@reddit
Bench seat
No_Difference8518@reddit
Wing windows.
CommunityHopeful7076@reddit
For me it's simplicity! And the fact that you could service/fix the classics with minimum amount of tools and they kept at it!
This also includes knobs, and buttons and stuff that weren't connected to any sort of moody computer
Had a 1972 Toyota fj40, damn that car was fun! I swear you could fix it with a brick, a little bit of wire and wd40
Miliean@reddit
LOTS of things, but I also understand why the changes were made.
For example, I REALLY miss the visibility that older cars offered. Thin A, B , C (and D) pillars afforded MUCH better visibility than what we have now, much smaller blind spots and so on.
Of course, those thin pillars would literally collapse when a car flipped onto it's roof thereby killing the passengers inside. SO I like that the new pillars are just structurally stronger, and I also enjoy that side curtain airbags exist (should I ever be in a position to use one, I'll be glad it was there). But none the less I do really miss that visibility that they gave, feels like there should be a way to have it both ways. Perhaps move the side airbags into the roof like they already are in some cars, etc. Really just thinner pillars for better visibility is my ask.
Like most here, I have a decently strong dislike for light electronic steering that has no feel. BUT I understand that my wants as an enthusiasts consumer is not the same as the average consumer who really does enjoy the light but numb steering of most modern vehicles. AND I understand how much easier it is to relocate the steering wheel for international markets when using electronic steering. I just really liked the feel of a good hydraulic steering and am not wealthy enough to have driven the electronic steering systems that others say feel nice.
Real buttons and knobs are, in my opinion, making a much disserved comeback. Sticking everything behind a screen really just sucks but I feel like most newly designed vehicles these days do have separate climate buttons and such. It's kind of now the exception to put everything behind a screen.
I DO wish that they would/could actually do more with the screen. I want it to be able to do a true vehicle diagnostic, tell me what that engine light means, do a better job tracking all the sensors and pressers. Really, I want all my car's sensor data to be available through the infotainment screen so that I can get a much better picture of the overall health of my vehicle from the computer that's ALREADY INSIDE THE VEHICLE! Show me everything and allow me to decide if I want to look at it, I know most people won't but some will, and I do. But it's not as if Classic cars had this function, but none the less I want it. Please let my car's screen talk to my car's computer to get data and read codes. That is all.
Vehicles these days all have built in cameras, but so few vehicles have built in dashcams. Like Tesla does, please allow me to record the feed of the cameras that are already installed in my vehicle. Seems like a pretty brain dead feature add, they'd really only need to put in an SD card slot. That's not really a classic car thing though.
Here's a classic feature that ties back to my original point. The tiny triangle shaped windows in the front near the A pillar. Those should be able to swing open like in older cars, get some fresh air scooped into the cabin. Hard to do that with such a chawkny A pillar though.
I like backup cameras, I like Android Auto and (I guess) Car Play. I dislike the built in software in almost every vehicle on the road, but I don't generally make use of it so that's fine.
If there were 1 feature I'd add to a modern car, I think it would be a universal buss that's able to provide power and data connectivity anywhere in the vehicle. You could run it through the frame rails even. It would make modifications and wiring issues substantially easier to handle. Connectors would then be universal. Connect an AC pump, same connector as connecting a fuel injector. Just put it all on a universal buss and let the car's computer sort it out (like how real computers work, smartphone or printer it's all just USB). This universal connector should be shared across brands, brands should be required to make drivers publicly available, all car computer software should be open sourced so that it's secure and modifiable. But honestly, all that's a pipe dream.
SuggestionOrnery6938@reddit
Wing windows. Ya I am old.
hs_doubbing@reddit
The 2007 Accord has the same feature and same quirk, except it uses a normal key making it slightly less ridiculous.
I don’t understand your prejudice against Japanese engineers. They’re often quite brilliant. Honda is just not what it used to be, and hasn’t been since 2006. There is not a single car in their lineup post-2006 that I care to own, except maybe a Civic Si.
Interesting-Cow-1652@reddit
Chrome trim and accenting
Interior parts made of metal instead of cheap plastic
Large greenhouses that are easy to see out of
Physical buttons
Ljw1000@reddit
Not sure there’s much mechanically as most old cars drive exactly like what they are, old!
My personal favourite would be steering feel.
Completely agree with buttons instead of these infernal screens, lane departure etc. If you can’t keep to the correct side of the road, you need to hand in your licence.
Flunu29@reddit
FRONT BENCH SEAT
archie905@reddit
T-tops
wildshadowcard@reddit
The ball ac vents that used to be present under the steering wheel. I really wish newer cars had them.
CurnanBarbarian@reddit
Switch for the brights in the floor
UsedState7381@reddit
Buttons, dials, analog gauges, simplicity, accessibility for DIY repairs, smaller engines actually being allowed to not make too much power with turbos, so they can last longer, bigger engines not needing hybrid nonsense just to meet the insanely tight emissions regulations.
Also, pop-up headlights and hardtop convertibles.
TheRamblerJohnson@reddit
Thick bench seats. Easy access to components under the hood. Those cool metal visors above the windshield.
NotMyCat2@reddit
Those little window wings on the front doors.
Comfortable-Living-1@reddit
Actually driving a car. I have an older car with a standard transmission. You have to actively drive it as compared to my modern Lexus which is much more sedate.
vastly101@reddit
Velour/Velvet seats like my plymouth acclaim LX, in rich blue, or other nice cloth. So nice. Exterior colors in general: all white, black gray, brown now. (80%). An interior need not be beige or gray or black, and cloth seats are typically so ugly these days: they need not be. I don't men old couch-pillow seats either...
Power antennas were cool, too! Functional!
And in general, station wagons as an option. Or minivans for real cargo capacity. Just 3 or 4 of those left.
iommiworshipper@reddit
I like the foot dimmer switch
fasta_guy88@reddit
Drum brakes, solid rear axles, mechanical distributors, no power steering, bias ply tires.
637_649@reddit
Style, reliability, durability, the ability for major customization, and the ability to buy "the custom" (stripped, bare bones) version of most vehicles.
bravejango@reddit
Comfort.
Outside_Ad_424@reddit
I went to the Pierce-Arrow Museum in Buffalo NY a few weeks ago. They were a huge car manufacturer in the early 1900s, and their museum showcases not only the history of the company but a wide variety of other vehicles of the time. Some features I thought were worth bringing back:
-Cars as art: so many cars now are just variations on vaguely oblong box. Where is the artistry? They had a 50s Lincoln Continental that was *beautiful*. The lines, the panels, the suicide doors, the trim; everything was intentional, beautiful, and showcased clear artistry.
-Physical controls: finicky touch screens do not belong in vehicles. Period. They force the driver to take their eyes off the road because they lack any kind of haptic feedback. Physical dials and buttons provide immediate feedback that a driver can use to know what they're trying to do (adjust the radio, change the AC, etc) is actually happening. For GPS units, I'd argue that a heads-up display in the gauge well would be far more useful, with controls on the steering wheel/column for menu navigation and/or activating voice controls
-Smaller goddamn trucks. If you need a heavy-duty truck for work on the farm or whatever, okay great. But *multiple* studies have shown that the owner of the average pickup truck only uses it for hauling maybe 4 times a year. Otherwise they're just taking up too much space in suburban driveways, parking like assholes at the grocery store, being driven by idiots that think speed limits are for other people, and blind oncoming drivers with their "low beams" because their headlights are at same eyeline as virtually every other passenger vehicle. If your field of vision to the ground in front of your truck doesn't start until 20+ feet away, your vehicle is too goddamn big and unnecessarily dangerous.
Competitive-Reach287@reddit
A place to hang your keys on the steering column.
JJ_3105@reddit
Dollar store sells nice little adhesive hooks I love that thing never have to look for my keys
ComplaintOk1160@reddit
Style Curves Flair.
Smorg125@reddit
T tops, I would drink a liter of fermented gorilla cum to have them be a modern car feature
RickySlayer9@reddit
Fucking buttons
Dense_Row_9532@reddit
There's something about a car with real, metal bumpers.
Turbo1518@reddit
Being able to work on just about anything in them by yourself.
My first car, I could climb in the engine bay and spoon the engine. Not much In there was inaccessible. I didn't have to remove a bunch of other components to change a belt. I could easily reach in there and swap out an alternator. The Haynes repair manual was all you needed.
Now? Now everything is so compressed and over lapping that it just doesn't seem to be worth the time and effort, or the risk of messing other things up.
With the old 307, if I put it back together and something wasn't working right, well you knew what to look at. Having to move a bunch of crap to change something in a new car and then something isn't running right? Well, better look at every single thing you had to adjust to get to that part
JCC114@reddit
You only need the manual for things like torque specs and firing order. Could get to and take everything apart and put back together from having done the same job on a completely different car cause it would be similar enough.
ThingFuture9079@reddit
Manual parking brake instead of an electronic one.
331gt686@reddit
Simplicity. So many more things to break that can't always be fixed by the backyard mechanic or average enthusiast. Too many things that need dealership software to diagnose.
notalottoseehere@reddit
The ability to just blow fresh air into the cabin. Everything has to pass through the HVAC, so needs a fan...
Parker51MKII@reddit
Hardtop coupes (no window frames or pillars)
Aggravating-Day-2864@reddit
Fkn cd player...arrrrrgh ffs
MetalJoe0@reddit
Wing windows. Those things are fantastic.
Parker51MKII@reddit
Front vent windows
stargazertony@reddit
Style.
Johnson_Grande@reddit
Ashtrays
Fun_Variation_7077@reddit
Smoker windows.
Iamthewalrusforreal@reddit
Vent windows.
gutenshmeis@reddit
Feedback from the steering wheel, engine noise & vibration. Many new cars feel very sterilized.
largos7289@reddit
ball chiller enough said.
thatguynobodyliked@reddit
I am fixing to start on my 48’, and it has a foot starter (better than push button), foot brights (never should have left), and a badass lever that raises a scoop in front of the windshield to pump fresh air in the car!! Plus I want wing windows back, push buttons for everything (screw you digi screens!!) and please bring back standard transmissions!!!
08Raider@reddit
Bench seats
KAP1975@reddit
I always liked the little triangular vent windows on the classics and 60’s muscle cars. I’d love to see those make a comeback.
balloontrap@reddit
Charm
OhManisityou@reddit
Put the bright light switch on the floor where God intended it to be!
Civil-Departure-512@reddit
The only thing I can really think of would be having solid sunroofs back. Not glass but actual moving body panels. Shades can be finicky and don’t always do the best for shielding from the sun. Plus it would make you appreciate having the sunroof open more. Porsche and Chevy (kinda) seem to be the only ones who still have that. Otherwise I love all these new features in cars.
PuzzleheadedOwl1191@reddit
Fun colors (more than black, silver, gray or white). Interesting how cars on either extreme end of the cost spectrum have lively color options (Fiat/Mini to exotics) but eeeeeeeeeverything in between is drab.
I do love the simpler / fewer features of my classics but all it takes is a 5 minute car conversation with “normies” (non car people - 99% of the driving demo) to realize they want MORE tech and bells & whistles just…..because. No amount of logic will dissuade a human from wanting the shiny object
Snowymiser@reddit (OP)
What if a car manufacturer offered these types of cars again? And if they wouldn't be overpriced... Do you think they would sell well with enough publicity?
BoboliBurt@reddit
Regular parking brake, buttons, maybe a perfected slush box vs cvt
Lothar_Ecklord@reddit
Window vents. They probably leak, but if you’ve never experienced Them, you don’t realize just how great they are. I think probably the fact that the front windows are no longer made in 2 pieces ruined it.
possumusexperiri@reddit
I do miss three-on-the-tree. Usually makes space for central storage or seating too
Lothar_Ecklord@reddit
I like it for automatics too. Just easier when your hands are already right there. I guess it’s easier to make the linkages? But for a more luxurious appeal, I think the column is the way to go.
P10pablo@reddit
Simplicity.
mozzarellasticky@reddit
Lighter
PlanetExcellent@reddit
Round headlights. Smaller taillights. The ones on new cars are gigantic, often extending far up the body.
Chrome grille. Too many cars have all body color on the front.
yotmokar@reddit
Sensible headlights
Snowymiser@reddit (OP)
Yeah, LEDs are nice, being efficient and all, but they absolutely blind me at night. Warm white headlights just have a cozy feel as well.
Zathrasb4@reddit
T-roofs and pop up headlights. Got to love the 80's
ArchieAsp@reddit
Manual transmission options
Philippe-R@reddit
Good road clearance on regular, non SUV, cars. Chunky sidewall tyres. Narrow and light cars (I'm in Europe, our country roads have become too narrow for many today's cars)
invisible___hand@reddit
Simplicity of basic maintenance: oil change and air/oil filter replacement. Also bulb replacement.
CarpetAlternative191@reddit
Lighter
No_Explorer721@reddit
Modern cars generally lack the characters and craftsmanship the classic cars had.
Syrinx_Hobbit@reddit
An analog instrument cluster--that includes a temperature gage and a battery gage. Physical buttons and knobs are a must. Or an option to order the bare minimum. God I sound old...
According_Flow_6218@reddit
Pneumatic steering
hambonelicker@reddit
Cigarette lighter with a cigarette lighter.
MoparMap@reddit
I'd like more feedback. I haven't driven a ton of modern vehicles, but I like the steering wheel to have some weight and for the brakes and throttle to have a little resistance. It's hard to modulate pedals by travel in a vehicle that is moving around, pressure is usually easier. That doesn't mean I think we need to go back to manual brake days or cars that need 100+ lbs of pedal force to get maximum stopping power, but I'd also rather not drive something that puts my face into the windshield if I sneeze at the wrong time.
Comfortable_Angle671@reddit
The growl of a muscle car
hambonelicker@reddit
Manual transmissions.
Snowymiser@reddit (OP)
Thanks for all the input so far. Do you think it’s actually possible to bring these classic features and designs back in a modern car? Like can we build something that feels very similar to classics but still works as a daily? And do you think that they would actually sell?
alexseiji@reddit
Not just knobs and switches, but the tactility and weight behind them that was the mechanical link.
The tactility and weight behind cable actuated throttle bodies.
The insulation on modern cars that adds another level of dampening to both sound and physical sensation that old cars were so good at delivering.
Older cars had a hand crafted feeling to them. Design styles these days seem to focus on streamlining approaches to manufacturing resulting in blander interiors, exteriors, and gauge clusters.
Speaking of guage clusters… save the analog gauges! Sit inside of 993 911, then sit inside a 991 911… totally different vibe.
Single mass flywheels > Dual mass flywheels. Don’t penalize the skilled manual transmission drivers with softened driveline connected intended for less skilled drivers. The tactility you feel with a single mass flywheel is so much higher than the dual mass dampened experience!
Give us the ability to keep a car in race mode or sport mode every-time we get back instead of defaulting to some normal mode. Having to switch this every time makes it feel less connected to the vehicle and makes it feel more like an appliance that does its own thing. It’s my car, let me keep it in race mode if I want!!
Easily and fully defeatable traction control.
Bare bones options… I never listen to the radio in my cars. Let us have the option to not have one.
Engineered_disdain@reddit
a front bench seat
TreemanTheGuy@reddit
Crotch fan
oldmanlikesguitars@reddit
Beauty and uniqueness. Most modern cars are fine. Attractive, I guess. A Challenger is pretty, though it looks just like the other billion Challengers. Current generation Mustangs look great, but they’re pretty similar to all the Mustangs made in the last 15 years. I can tell you if you’re looking at a 66-66 Mustang or a 67-68. Same for Camaros or Firebirds. Old guys can do that with just standard American passenger cars. But in modern cars I have to see the badge to tell a Toyota from a Nissan. And they look the same year after year after year. It’s all so boring.
Blu_yello_husky@reddit
Vent windows and cornering lights
texanbychoice106@reddit
Style
scrappybasket@reddit
Bench seats
WIsconnieguy4now@reddit
Bi-level HVAC setting.
My first car had it and I always thought it was a great feature. It allows heat at the floor, but outside air for the dash vents. Awesome for cool or cold but sunny spring or fall days.
Also for the love of dog GM I’d love for you to quit with the backup lights coming on when someone unlocks the car. Those are for when the car is on and in reverse. Period.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Always figured that HVAC thing would be cool, didn't know it'd ever been done though, what car was that which had it?
I'd do it a little different though, what I'd really like is to blow hot air on the windshield for defog, but cool air at the driver.
WIsconnieguy4now@reddit
It was a 1970s GM car, 72 Chevrolet Impala 4 door hardtop to be specific. It also had a/c with the “lap coolers” which others have mentioned.
Embarrassed_Address9@reddit
Vent windows
Consistent-Night-805@reddit
A true engine, not a 1.0 Hybrid Ecoboost.
PandaKing1888@reddit
Highbeam switch on the floor
rockdude625@reddit
Vent windows
Piney_Dude@reddit
Real gauges. Vent windows
Dinglebutterball@reddit
Manual transmissions. Driveway serviceability. Metal bits. Longevity. Analog components.
TiredIron49@reddit
The crotch vent for the driver
CroakingJoker@reddit
Simplicity + Reliability + Driver autonomy where one doesn't have to babysit the tech
mikeysd123@reddit
Manual transmissions
Then-Yam-2266@reddit
Character. All the things I’ve loved about cars has been stripped away. They feel sterile like an operating room now. Like I’m sitting in the waiting area of a high tech dentist office. The late ‘80’s and early ‘90’s was all about grabbing attention. The 70’s-80’s was about style. All of that is gone. You get into your electronic transport accessory and commute to your next location. Fucking boring.
Skysr70@reddit
Room in the engine bay
khu400@reddit
A personality or soul.
Cuntrymusichater@reddit
You can get a Kia Soul.
Cuntrymusichater@reddit
I want wings and spoilers again.
nonotburton@reddit
Manual transmissions.
2balloonsancement25@reddit
Thick metal and chrome
GhostPepperWang@reddit
Pop up headlights
Safe_Lion3967@reddit
Style and shape
Doc308@reddit
A pillar quarter glass vent windows.
CTRLShiftBoost@reddit
Style.
nayls142@reddit
A clutch pedal.
SparkBase@reddit
Foot switch for the headlights.
National-Property-43@reddit
Buttons and dials for crying out loud.
Even analog gauges and instruments feel like a nice touch.
majorglory1337@reddit
Ash trays. I don't smoke, but when I was a kid I would open and close them repeatedly.
squared_wheel@reddit
Hydraulic power steering, it's the feedback at the limits that electronic power steering is missing. 95% of the time, EPS will do, but it's 5% at the two ends of the steering effort curve that even some of the best E racks are missing. The lack of inertia in the hydro rack vs electric seems to be something that can't be tuned or calibrated out. Current F1 uses hydraulic PS
MathematicianOne6902@reddit
Easy. The bench seat in the front. Especially those which give you option to fold up or down the center seat
TD95x@reddit
No computers
Greedy_Pudding8537@reddit
Wing windows
El_Pozzinator@reddit
The 80s GM ball chiller vent under the steering wheel. Man I miss that specific vent.
Cosmoaquanaut@reddit
Gas engines
AndyW037@reddit
Metal parts. Modern automobiles(all of them) are mostly plastic now and fall apart in a light breeze! Older vehicles, made from actual metal, are very durable and can roll down a mountain and probably still drive.
Resurgo_DK@reddit
Manual transmissions 🤪
I know I’m a dying breed, but I’ve driven them for pretty much all my life. Wanted to get a truck for the flexibility and the Tacoma was pretty much my only choice. Had to go elsewhere unfortunately for mpg’s sake and my first automatic is just boring.
gangofone978@reddit
Style, attractive colors, design language that isn’t big lumpy box.
DeepsCL9@reddit
Soul. I have found some solace in 2000s-2010s manual sport sedans and Miatas, but I still dearly miss my old family car (1991 Accord) that was in my family since new. Manual throttle cable, manual gearbox, easy clutch, talkative steering. My family has since replaced the old girl with a 2024 Accord Touring - unimaginably better in every way, but sometimes I just miss getting into that old, burgundy velour seat, having perfect visibility in every direction, and nailing every heel-and-toe downshift every time.
It's hard to quantify this feeling.
Wormetoungue@reddit
Tail fins.
budgetboarvessel@reddit
Shiny chrome
Bag-o-chips@reddit
Character. Suicide doors, rotating front passenger seat to face the rear, third roaw seats facing backward, bold aesthetics.
Dismal_Object6226@reddit
Everything in them worked without having to pay a subscription. Looking at you BMW.
TN_REDDIT@reddit
Crotch vents
TPSreportmkay@reddit
The biggest one of all is being shaped like a car and not some hunchback crossover SUV 4,000lb pile of disappointment.
Beyond that I miss manual transmissions and regular gas drivetrains that aren't stop-start hybrid crap.
Basically the mustang Mach E is the antithesis of an enthusiast car. While something like a BMW M3 is as good as it gets as something that's attainable.
Bring_back_sgi@reddit
Ashtrays. I don't use them, they're just cool.
RHS1959@reddit
Vent-wing windows. I’d love to be able to get a little fresh air without rolling down the whole door glass.
ThisCharmingDan99@reddit
Good for ripping darts too!
FaithlessnessRich490@reddit
Standardized headlights. It is such a superior product. Notice I didn't say sealed beam headlights I said standardized headlights. The reason is if you have a car that had sealed beam headlights you can modernize it to whatever headlight you want nowadays. You can't do that with the headlights that we have now at least not cheaply.
NoEmu5969@reddit
55 mph speed limit was cool
Live-Obligation-2931@reddit
Three pedals
Big-View-1061@reddit
Being small.
Middle-Jackfruit-896@reddit
Colour of paint and interior.
When I was a kid, our family bought an Oldsmobile and there were so many colour options to choose from, even for a regular car. For the exterior I specifically recall there being 3 shades of blue, and two-tone paint options. The interior could be blue, grey, red, tan.
Now, most car makers just offer white, black, silver, a grey, and maybe one blue/green/or red. Porsche offers PTS, and ultra luxury cars like Rolls Royce offer abundant choices, but there isn't much choice for regular cars.
Mr_Doberman@reddit
I completely agree with you. I'm shopping for a new vehicle and everything I look at has a grey or black cave-like interior and the exterior colors are all the same boring black/white/grey/silver and maybe a red or blue. I miss the 90s where a typical parking lot looked like someone spilled a bag of Skittles.
ShinySpeedDemon@reddit
Pop up headlights
Cwilkes704@reddit
Style.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Ohh there's a bunch, let's see... Many are really impossible now due to regulation or technology has made truly obsolete so IDK is you want those.
Parking windshield wipers, when off the wipers would move lower under the hood cowl so they were out of sight, as well was out of the wind, sun, etc.. This one in particular I really don't know why it went away, it's a very practical feature.
Rotate out seats, some old cars had seats that when the door was opened they unlocked and rotated out towards the door opening. If someone puts this feature in an otherwise decent vehicle they'd sell a lot to older people.
Ride comfort, with all our modern tech still nothing modern is as comfortable as and old land yacht. Even luxury cars have traded away comfort for handling.
Low end torque, todays engines make all their power with revs. A 60s big block could drive around all day under 2000RPM.
One finger steering, steering so light ya could drive with a pinky.
No B pillar, with the side windows down there was no side pillar between the windshield and rear window.
Headlight covers, a lot less need for them these days but still. They add to design and would prevent headlight yellowing.
For more there's a great YouTube channel that has a lot of this stuff. Rare Classic Cars & Automotive History
Drjak3l@reddit
Ease of being able to work on your own car. Too many electrically dependent features or badly engineered part placements. I'm fixing up a 1967 Cougar with a 302 and it is a stark contrast to my hybrid Lexus.
gitduhfuqowt@reddit
Manual transmissions, tactile buttons/levers and triangular vent windows.
No_Educator_6376@reddit
Spare tire and Jack are missing now
TranslatorOutside909@reddit
Sticking with buttons, the bright lights foot switch
Vangotransit@reddit
Wing windows
Fishin4catfish@reddit
Ash trays
Fragrant_Associate43@reddit
Character
MyVingerStink@reddit
Wish they could bring back ashtrays in the doors
NYR_Aufheben@reddit
Manual transmissions going extinct makes me…angry. I still drive one but who knows how long they’ll be available.
ZucchiniMaleficent21@reddit
Well there’s the manual spark advance lever, the manual choke knob, the hand cranked windscreen wipers, the hand crank starting, the solid tyres, the non-power assist brakes, the non-power assist steering, the 6v incandescent bulb headlights, the need for brain-rotting leaded petrol, the lack of seatbelts, and so on.
Happy days!
NuclearHateLizard@reddit
Lack of software problems. Important pieces not made out of plastic to guarantee their failure. Engineered to be worked on and serviced. They tend to look better as well
Full_of_time@reddit
A stick and clutch
Sez_Whut@reddit
Vent windows, front bench seat, rear wheel drive, transmission drain/fill connections, rear seat leg room, real bumpers, full size spare, loud horn.
AcesAnd08s@reddit
Actual gear shifters. I would never buy a car with push-button shifting.
eXo0us@reddit
Double DIN radio slots.
Every couple of years I pull the radio and get a new one with new features. My 1996 car has now android auto with wireless phone connection, current maps and a 10 inch touchscreen.
My 2020 car is unable to do that and will be never to be able to upgrade... And map updates are expensive...
Chevettez06@reddit
No subscription
toadstool0855@reddit
Steel and chrome. Lots of metal
wncexplorer@reddit
Style…
KaleidoscopeIcy9271@reddit
The same car with different body style variants. I realize it's not cost effective, but it's so dope to have the same car in convertable, 2 door and four door hardtop and sedan, different wheelbases, a wagon, and 3 different trim levels and options galore.
2lovesFL@reddit
I never want to take my eyes off the wheel, to change a control. smart screens are dumb, unless they are higher in the field of vision.
and mouses? Lexus what were you thinking.
Outrageous_Pie_4913@reddit
Not from classic cars, but I think modern cars are missing some kind of universal phone mount or connector with a cooling vent behind it.
warrior_poet95834@reddit
It’s a niche thing but one of the reasons I bought my Grenadier is that it has a mechanical transfer case shift lever.
Internet-Separate@reddit
Coolness
Yakb0@reddit
ball coolers.
ie. the vent under the steering column that's directed at your crotch..
Joe_B_Likes_Tacos@reddit
Came here to say that.
Mojicana@reddit
Wing windows were awesome
Z_Wild@reddit
Common sense drivers.
steelartd@reddit
One of my first cars had two heater cores under the front seat. Hot air blew on the driver’s feet and on the rear passengers feet too. ‘41 caddy. Another car I drove in high school had an “ eye “ on the dash that dimmed the headlights for you. ‘55 olds 98
WunderMunkey@reddit
Being light and having steering feel. Modern cars are pretty much all awful on both accounts compared to older cars.
Jimmy_Driftwood@reddit
The high/low beam switch on the floor.
shotstraight@reddit
Buttons, knobs and switches. Screw trying to use a touch screen on a rough road or with potholes. With a button, knob or switch you can operate the car without taking your eyes off the road and not open the trunk when trying to turn on the radio. Touchscreens in cars were one of the stupidest ideas ever. I also miss the trunk monkey. Full size spare tires with matching wheels, jacks, manual hand operated parking brakes, lighters even if you don't smoke, sometimes you just need to light something on fire. Lock cylinders on both sides of the car. Get rid of auto locks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EvilCaveBoy@reddit
Simplicity and buttons/knobs. Trying to navigate a touchscreen at highway speed is incredibly dangerous, which is why there are laws against using devices while driving.