Bazaar the marketplace for flatpaks is AWESOME!
Posted by BlokZNCR@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 144 comments
It's represented as GNOME-centric application but works for KDE and possibly for other DE/WM as well, why not?
Now I can easily manage flatpaks than ever and strongly advise you to look it up. For me it combines Flatseal + Warehouse.
*Permission editing of flatpaks is disabled currently in Bazaar but will be available soon, hopefully.
C1REX@reddit
Bazzaar and it’s implementation in Bazzite took me by surprise. Looks fantastic and everything just works.
JLX_973@reddit
In the latest Aurora releases, it seems they’ve outright replaced Discover (Qt) with this one (Gtk). Despite its qualities, I feel it looks a bit out of place for a KDE-based distribution…
carloshell@reddit
I don’t understand what am I missing with bazaar? I thought this was super cool. I didn’t have any issues installing my apps, it seems super performant.
DonutsMcKenzie@reddit
I don't use Aurora so my opinion doesn't really matter much, but it does seem strange to have Bazaar be used over Discover as the default software manager on a KDE system. What's the rational, anyway? Is there some functionality that Bazaar provides that Discover doesn't? Can that functionality not be patched into Discover upstream? Or is it more about aesthetics and UX of the app itself (despite the obvious aesthetic issues of having a GTK/Adwaita-looking app on an otherwise Qt/Plasma system)?
As a Bluefin user, I was a little bit annoyed when they first switched to Bazaar from Gnome Software, given that the first few days I had it on my system it just crashed immediately on startup. But I'm mostly willing to go along with it and see what becomes of the project. If I was on Aurora, I don't know if I'd be as patient with it, given how totally out of place it looks on a KDE system.
RadioRavenRide@reddit
Bazaar lets distros block certain flatpaks. Bazzite blocks the Steam flatpak to avoid confusion.
Dangerous-Report8517@reddit
You can do this in Flatpak directly as well with filters
PureTryOut@reddit
Agreed, I don't like that at all. Everything following the GNOME HIG (not necessarily GTK) looks out of place and replacing a tool like Discover which can already do Flatpaks for a GNOME one doesn't make sense to me.
Also, Discover does more than Bazaar does. Sure, distro packages aren't that relevant on an immutable distro but firmware updates are. Discover supports fwupd so they're now missing out on that functionality.
quiqeu@reddit
From their webpage:
Reading this, it’s obvious that making it look coherent is probably not even in scope, it’s a cosmetic detail that would just only add more maintenance overhead.
PureTryOut@reddit
Then they should've stuck to the Bluefin (GNOME) edition and not bother with Aurora (KDE). You can't just replace an existing, integrated, tool with more features for something that does less and looks completely out of place, and expect people to be happy about it.
I was quite fond of Aurora but after it failing to boot on my girlfriend's PC after an update (something that it's update model was supposed to make impossible!) and reading about these kind of decisions, I'm not that interested anymore. I guess I'll switch her to plain Fedora Kinoite, let's see how that goes.
Morphon@reddit
I made the same complaint on their official page. Sadly, the team is too excited by the opportunity to display their curated/sponsored apps on the software center and also remove the ability to set your own flatpak repo in the GUI. They're also upbeat about the way Bazaar handles donation/support to the application authors. So, monetization for the flathub ecosystem is more of a priority than the integration of the KDE DE.
Whatever.
For Aurora, at least we have the ujust command to put it back to Discover. On Bazzite they have to layer it back in.
So the command would be:
rpm-ostree install plasma-discover-libs plasma-discover plasma-discover-flatpak plasma-discover-notifier
then after a reboot if everything works fine,
rpm-ostree override remove bazaar krunner-bazaar
That should take care of the problem. Since these are coming straight from the Fedora repos, the only thing you might notice is slightly longer update times. If you're weekly (like me), you might not notice it at all.
XRaTiX@reddit
"Damm those devs don't deserve money,better invest the time on integration to KDE that only the 4% will care."
Are you really complaining about devs getting donations?
Morphon@reddit
Nope. I'm complaining about DE integration.
I also pay for proprietary software. I don't mind paying devs.
Some people have to care about this stuff. Otherwise you will get the absolute mess that is W11.
OneQuarterLife@reddit
Which is exactly why we don't care. 96% of the computing world just uses apps that are good, they don't care if they're QT, Electron, WinUI, or any other thing -- just that they function.
There's 30 years of Linux distros catering to the 4% you can use instead.
Morphon@reddit
Well, I liked Aurora once I switched the default terminal back to Konsole.
Now I have to do a ujust command (or override...) to continue to opt out of one more DE uglification that the devs are so excited about. One extra thing to take care of for new installs. I can live with it, even though I disagree with the reasoning behind including Bazaar.
I just feel bad for the Bazzite folks that don't have the ujust script and have to jump through a bunch of hoops to restore KDE to a normal working state.
Defaults are important. DE consistency is important. At least the DE itself should be consistent. When the user installs their stuff that's on them. But the base DE should look and act unified. The software center is part of that. I get that the Aurora devs don't see it that way.
OneQuarterLife@reddit
Make you a deal, let's fundamentally disagree and I'll keep running a major distro in the meantime.
ExaHamza@reddit
I think app authors should put the donations mechanism inside the app itself, so that the user can support them in a more direct way, no middle man in between them.
FattyDrake@reddit
Some major distros have rules to strip donation buttons and requests out from software packages.
ExaHamza@reddit
I've never heard of anything like this, what distros are these?
FattyDrake@reddit
OpenSUSE has specific guidelines to patch them out. While others don't have anything explicit, I recall there being some discussion with Fedora when KDE added their donation request. The conclusion was one time a year was okay, but there was still some resistance as they don't want it to become a common thing among all apps. Some even suggested it be opt-in which is kinda silly as the whole point was to remind people that donations can be a thing.
Basically it's discretionary, but they don't want apps to constantly be asking for donations.
blackcain@reddit
This is precisely why we don't want them to package apps. Developers should allow to have a relationship with the people who use their software.
ExaHamza@reddit
Well, I'd like to believe there are reasons for this attitude, although it's unusual. One case I remember is the OpenSUSE and Bottles folks. Honestly, in this case, I kind of agree, since OpenSUSE users wouldn't receive support from Bottles folks, and donations bring an EXPECTATION of support. In general, I think distributions should refrain as much as possible from modifying application content. Modifications should only be made in specific and reasonably explainable contexts.
Traditional_Hat3506@reddit
https://hachyderm.io/@jorge/115141487803993250
Morphon@reddit
First of all, it is a true honor to be called out by Jorge Castro.
Second, his toot is a perfect example of the principle that for each person "my priorities are the priorities".
His priorities involve boosting the flathub ecosystem. Make it an app store, like the one on MacOS or W11. Put recommended apps on the launch page. Hide the "power user" features behind the CLI. Make it easier to monetize.
Ok, fine. That, to him, seems like an obvious good thing that everyone should get behind. Having a consistent DE is simply too far down on the list to matter much. It would be like complaining about font spacing, or the exact shade of color for the login screen background when using an HDR monitor. Sure, it's a thing - somebody might care about it somewhere, but certainly nothing for us to worry about when the real priority is monetizing flathub!
For others of us, DE consistency is precisely why we use a KDE distro in the first place. We could have used Bluefin, but we wanted KDE with all that brings. So we use Aurora.
I guess I should have seen this coming - the way Konsole is not set as the default (in fact, if you try to launch Konsole from the menu it loads up the libawaita terminal instead). They already signaled that they don't really care about this issue, and they don't mind breaking current stuff to get that flathub appstore look-alike going. The "updates" tab is still in system settings. Now it does nothing. Trying to launch Discover from the menu starts up Bazaar instead (I guess KDE users are too dumb to notice that it isn't Discover???? I mean - at least let us keep ability to use the menu option without redirecting it to Bazaar). Suddenly, update notifications would still pop up for Discover, but then when Discover loaded it had the Bazaar taskbar icon.
Sure, there are those of us that get upset when Apple doesn't follow their own UI guidelines with their first-party software. Just because our priorities aren't his, doesn't mean they're invalid.
But this transition to Bazaar is wacky. It reminds me of the way it feels when you get a new Android update. It has a lot of changes, but you spend most of your time trying to put things back the way they were and creating new workflows to bypass the new bugs.
ExaHamza@reddit
I'm very optimistic about these models, my current traditional distro never broke on me during the update, not that it can't it just didn't happened yet, I'm always monitoring the immutable distros to see any benefit for me and found comments like this.
quiqeu@reddit
KDE looks like Windows, GNOME doesn't. I'm pretty sure they will reach more public with KDE. Also, as I said in other comment, Windows apps don't follow a general design so people that comes from Windows wont even notice.
Weird about the update though, you are right, that's the main selling point, it shouldn't break.
sublime_369@reddit
Well at least that explains why this is of zero interest to me. XD
quiqeu@reddit
Yeah, if you like customizing Linux a lot, this probably isn’t for you. But I think they’re doing a good job if they want to reach people who are less tech-savvy.
Preisschild@reddit
You can definitely customize them though, but with other tooling, like systemd-sysext / OCI Containerfile editing
ThatOneShotBruh@reddit
Or if you are on any other DE besides GNOME.
quiqeu@reddit
In KDE is great too, if you’re not picky about the coherence of the app top bar and such (which most people on that 96% probably aren’t).
ThatOneShotBruh@reddit
The issue isn't just the bar, libadwaita apps have a certain look to them that makes them feel very out of place.
quiqeu@reddit
Like any Windows app, which just has whatever design the developer decided 😂 Pretty sure most people probably don’t care and won’t even notice, but it is just an opinion.
chrisoboe@reddit
Any modern Windows app.
20 years ago the situation was severely better. An extremely consistent ui, with a high information density and for every components was directly visible if it was something clickable or not.
Ui/ux objectively just got worse and worse on PCs.
Traditional_Hat3506@reddit
Literally. "XYZ looks out of place!!!" meanwhile we all use 35 different electron and browser apps including Steam, Discord, Zoom, Spotify, VScode etc.
SteveHamlin1@reddit
How often do you use Discover such that you won't use an alternative because of the widget theme? It's not the menu/taskbar, or a terminal.
Lightprod@reddit
You can customize a bootc image, it's pretty similar as regular fedora. But you do that through scripts in your image repo.
Lightprod@reddit
Tbf you could use the tech behind it using their main kionite image as a base. It's (pretty much) the same as fedora kionite with some tweaks + batteries included.
JockstrapCummies@reddit
I don't know why, but I find this new breed of opiniated software devs even more annoying than the suckless crowd.
Lightprod@reddit
Citing the devs, They care more about fonctionality than looks.
natermer@reddit
All the things you quoted is why Bluefin is awesome.
Scandiberian@reddit
Oh. I was excited about bazaar until reading this. Oh well.
computer-machine@reddit
Never mind looks, they don't have basic functonality.
Running Baobab, it's the only window on my machine that I can't middle-click to lower, or scroll for translucency.
Morphon@reddit
Yeah. Aurora switched to it by default, but it's fairly easy (for now) to go back to Discover.
They switched to it so they could have sponsored/curated apps in its home screen. That's kinda not the reason I use Linux. So.... bye!
perkited@reddit
From my understanding, I think the main reasons are to give an easy option to (sponsor) help support the various app devs and to (curate) remove flatpaks that are either already installed or are part of the base image. Some people were installing flatpaks from Discover and ending up with two versions of the application (and confused why the app didn't work as expected).
They wanted those specific functionalities in an app store.
Morphon@reddit
Anyone that wants to donate can donate. I don't want that in my software manager.
Pretty rare corner case. If I install an AppImage of something that I also have as a Flatpak I'll get strange behavior as well. Does that justify changing out the software center to something that loses functionality (cannot manage flatpak repos) and is visually discordant with the KDE DE? I mean - Bluefin exists. People use Aurora because they WANT the Plasma environment. We're not talking about using a libawaita app where none exists in QT. We're talking about taking out a part of the core DE and replacing it with a libawaita app.
All to make the donation button front and center? To make the landing page show more apps selected by the distro rather than just what I want to see?
Gives me the ick.
Fun part about rpm-ostree - I don't have to put up with it. I just feel bad for the people that don't know how to layer in packages and are stuck with a lesser experience.
perkited@reddit
I just wanted to let you know the reasons they had given, if you weren't aware. It seems to be something you really care about though, so you probably already knew.
Morphon@reddit
Sorry about that. I get passionate about this one. :-)
Lightprod@reddit
Same. If i'm using KDE, that for a reason...
J_k_r_@reddit
I mean, at this point, without a lot of work, I feel like almost every modern app looks out of date under KDE.
I really like KDE in theory, as it's less opinionated, more modular/adjustable etc.
But we are in 2025. Software looks good, and KDE's default settings just don't. Add to that, that KDE-ecosystem apps tend to just be way more clunky to use; maybe because QT is less opinionated, or because KDE has simply not yet created any solid Guidelines on how to make good / Intuitive / standardized UI.
So every time I try out KDE, I end up having to spend ages adjusting it into looking halfway modern, and being at least somewhat comfortable to use.
Gnome does not have that. You can install Gnome, and it's a pretty great experience out of the box.
It's also, in my opinion, more stable, as while KDE has more features on paper, none of the fewer Gnome features have ever managed to brick the DE.
TiZ_EX1@reddit
It's not GTK, it's Adwaita. If it were vanilla GTK, it'd be able to use the Breeze theme.
Old-Thought1381@reddit
Adwaita is just GTK4 with GNOME's special sauce
TiZ_EX1@reddit
It's GTK4 with GNOME's HIG, pre-made widgets to help developers adhere to it, and most crucially, it blocks theme support. Breeze has a GTK4 theme that works in vanilla GTK4 apps (as long as they're not Flatpak), and Adwaita prevents it from loading because it enforces its own theme.
eggbart_forgetfulsea@reddit
Nope, it makes it easier than GTK to control your app's stylesheet.
AdwApplicationautomatically loads themes,GtkApplicationdoes not. It's frictionless:https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/libadwaita/doc/main/class.Application.html#stylesheet
I customise my apps and my custom widgets so I know with certainty whether they work or they're broken.
TiZ_EX1@reddit
Nope? ...Ah yes, the almighty app developer, that entity for whom GNOME has given up absolutely everything. You are the only one who is allowed to control anything whatsoever about how an application looks. Users who want to customize? Distributions who would like to provide even a modicum of branding? Different sets of widget colors or styles? Accent colors outside of the handful of approved, meticulously "designed" colors? Other desktop environments with their own styles? Absolutely not. In the obsessively over-designed ecosystem that is GNOME, such things are completely unacceptable.
When we talk about themes, we're not talking about you. We're talking about us. But the users and their desires are the enemy, and of course, you've long since won that battle in your ecosystem. The venn diagram of GNOME designers signing that letter is a circle entirely contained in the bigger circle of GNOME developers. You were always going to win. GNOME designers are so egotistical and controlling, that it exposes how absolutely weak their designs are that they can't handle any amount of user customization whatsoever.
Thank you for making the Linux ecosystem worse and absolutely insufferable to contribute to.
Unable-Ambassador-16@reddit
Qt is ass
Damglador@reddit
Gtk is ass, everything is ass, you just pick what is the least ass for you.
I think a gtk libadwaita app is pretty ass on a Qt system.
narvimpere@reddit
There is a shortcut to easily revert from bazaar to discover if you wish to do so.
Morphon@reddit
But apparently - not on Bazzite. For Aurora, sure. Bazzar should be an option (not the default). But at least it can be put back with a ujust script. But on Bazzite, the user will need to layer in plasma-discover (and some other things) in order to restore proper behavior.
Morphon@reddit
I have two ideas for you:
ujust toggle-software-store
or... the way I do it... (more permanent and easier to automate in new installs)
rpm-ostree override remove bazaar krunner-bazaar
Boom. No more libawaita software center in your KDE immutable Fedora re-spin. :-)
Ok-Anywhere-9416@reddit
Nah, I tried it on Aurora and it's perfectly fine. It's an app store for Flatpak, it's "cute", and it's just alright
RaXXu5@reddit
Apart from being newer and having choice, in what ways is this better than Gnome Software?
blackcain@reddit
Being better is subjective. Bazaar does one thing and that is to be a store for flatpak apps with flathub as the backend. That's it. Whether you like that or not is up to you.
Business_Reindeer910@reddit
it's waaay faster since it only deals with flatpak and no regular distro packages
PalowPower@reddit
It's a billion times faster and doesn't need an eternity to load.
dumbestbeaver@reddit
You're able to do multiple downloads at the same time. You can browse other apps while updates and installs run in the background. It also doesn't hang as often.
-Sa-Kage-@reddit
Multiple downloads - Fair, though I don't really care, I just have it running in the background
Browse other apps while while downloading - You can totally do this with Discover
App screenshots load better - Only ever had problems with native apps, that this app doesn't manage anyway
Doesn't hang as often - It never hung for me, so less than 0 is difficult
dumbestbeaver@reddit
Good for you man. I'm comparing it to GNOME Software.
Happy_Phantom@reddit
A flatpak that that is used to installs flatpaks on immutable distros
manobataibuvodu@reddit
Not necessarily immutable distros, any distro that supports flatpaks works
1uunix@reddit
Microsoft store the best 😎
-MooMew64-@reddit
All UI/UX solutions suck in their own ways and no one follows standards anyways, so IDK if it really matters this is being used on KDE systems or not.
GreenSouth3@reddit
Warehouse is all I need
-MooMew64-@reddit
It's simple, and elegant. Kinda like Octopi for Flatpaks.
Damglador@reddit
Warehouse is not an app store, but a package manager. I might want to browse app's page before installing it, which I can't do in Warehouse and opening a browser for that is quite annoying.
GreenSouth3@reddit
that's ok, I like flathub
benhaube@reddit
That looks very out of place on KDE Plasma, but why would you even need it? I manage all my flatpak apps with commands in the terminal. If you really need a GUI, then why not use Discover? It is built right in. Same with permissions. It is already in the System Settings application. It just seems very redundant to me.
BlokZNCR@reddit (OP)
Command section is as you know most of time is tiring and time consuming we already use it to maintain system packages. Also Discover is very heavy to launch, search
Bazaar works like a charm, tackles the updates easily, removes with residual files, instant search and flatpak oriented not like Discover to manage all packages. Moreover Discover most of time gives error and why I always terminate it. I think the worst app of KDE is Discover
Lol just gone back to tray it once again what happened:
"Download of "Panel Colorizer" failed, error: Network unreachable" it is like a joke!
benhaube@reddit
What? No. Not at all. Tell me you have no experience using the terminal in Linux without telling me you have no experience using the Terminal in Linux. I can install my application from a command in the terminal before you can finish searching for the application in your GUI app. That wasn't even the point of my comment though. The point is that Bazzar is redundant on KDE Plasma, and frankly, on GNOME too. It is also a GTK app that looks out of place in Plasma which is a Qt-based desktop environment.
I can tolerate GTK2/3 apps in Plasma because they are at least themed with the Breeze GTK theme. Libadwaita, on the other hand, I don't want anywhere near my Qt desktop.
Thank you. Finally, a response that has something to do with the point of my comment. You're still wrong though. Discover does everything you mentioned there. I'm not sure why you think Discover also managing system packages is a bad thing. For one, I would think it is better to have everything in one place, but also you can make Flathub the default repo in Discover.
I mean, I rarely use Discover because it's just faster and easier to use the terminal, but I have not ever experienced an issue like that. Mainly, Discover handles automatic updates on my systems, and it does a great job. My flatpak apps and all my rpm packages are updated automatically, and I never have to worry about it.
ThatOneShotBruh@reddit
Regarding networking, there is a very nasty bug in kernel versions from 6.16.2 up to 6.16.4 (hopefully 6.16.5 will fix it) and unless Fedora has manually applied the patch (Arch hasn't), it can cause a lot of issues.
benhaube@reddit
Yep, I have this bug as well on my systems. Usually, hitting refresh will load the page if you have that error. It's frustrating though. It affects the terminal and GUI apps, so it has no relation to this post. Not sure why OP brought it up as being an issue with Discover.
ThatOneShotBruh@reddit
I am aware. I kinda just ignored it for a day or so until I noticed that something broke and I couldn't update anymore.
Tbf it is possible he isn't encountering this bug amd it actually is just something to do with Discover, but ths timing is kinda funky.
natermer@reddit
Is it this?
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/kernel-6-16-3-causes-intermittent-network-issues/163310
It includes instructions for Atomic users to roll back to 6.15. Not sure if the same command would work for Aurora and other Bluefin distros.
ThatOneShotBruh@reddit
I believe it is. It really screwed up my EndeavourOS system.
ManlySyrup@reddit
There you are. The comment section is incomplete without the command line elitist.
rustvscpp@reddit
I mean he did suggest using the built in Discover app for anyone wanting a gui.
benhaube@reddit
Yep. Some people can't be pleased, and are incredibly full of themselves. It is just a fact that for someone who has a deep understanding of the way the GNU/Linux operating system functions can accomplish any task in the terminal before the related GUI front end finishes loading.
However, you cannot expect every user to be proficient in the terminal which is why I mentioned the built-in GUI tools for KDE Plasma. The whole point of the comment was wondering why you would use some junky GTK app if you are using the Qt-based Plasma DE that already contains GUI tools out of the box with this function. It is redundant.
benhaube@reddit
I'm a Linux system admin. Most of the Linux computers I deal with are servers that don't even have a GUI installed. I can accomplish any task in the terminal before your GUI application finishes loading.
Damglador@reddit
Discover is not great sadly
antpile11@reddit
What's wrong with it?
Damglador@reddit
To not type long ass app ids
PingMyHeart@reddit
TIL discover has permissions for flatpaks built in according to the comment above me.
LukeStargaze@reddit
Nota Discover, it is a page on System Settings
Wooden-Success-6343@reddit
I DONT LIKE THE ICON BUT I LIKE THERE IS ATLEAST 1 FLATPAK CLIENT OUT THERE , STILL IT NEEDS SOME IMPROVEMENTS ITS STILL FAR FROM PERFECT
Evantaur@reddit
GNOMED!
Rialagma@reddit
Interesting how Gnome apps look great in KDE, but KDE apps look horrendous on Gnome
sublime_369@reddit
That's because KDE devs do a lot of work to ensure Gnome apps integrate well.
Jegahan@reddit
That's just a flat out lie.
Gnome apps use libadwaita, which is specifically a framework that doesn't support being changed by the DE. The app look and work exactly the same everywhere (which is, by the way, one of the biggest complaint of KDE users). This is directly thanks to the work of Gnome devs.
Its really weird how often redditors manage to blame the negative aspects of Libadwaita (lack of themability) on the Gnome dev, while praising KDE devs for the positive aspects of it (stability and consistency accross DEs). This has nothing to do with KDE and the decisions to limit themability was specically made to achieve this stability.
Meanwhile KDE apps look wonky any DE that isn't Plasma. Not so long ago, dark mode was even broken (white text on white background) on most DE (which I think has been corrected, at least I hope so). A quick test today showed that Dolphin still doesn't follow dark mode correctly on Linux Mint, and doesn't follow the colors of the theme on OpenSuse XFCE (at least its now a proper dark theme and not broken like last time I checked).
It's not the job of DE to make sure every app under the sun looks good on them, it's the job of app devs to test their apps on different DEs.
FattyDrake@reddit
With Qt at a core level it is the job of the DE to make it look like it fits the theme. That's practically why Qt exists. There are ways to override that (i.e. QML) but the idea is when you make a Qt app it will look like it belongs on the OS you're using.
Qt officially comes with Windows and Mac elements, which is why it's popular for cross platform development. But outside of that it's up to those making custom environments to provide Qt elements. Obviously KDE has these because it's based on Qt. Any other DE can include their own to make Qt apps fit the UI.
sublime_369@reddit
Aggressive much? Even if someone on the internet says something that's not correct, doesn't automatically mean they're lying. Sorry if that's beyond your level of comprehension or is triggering for you.
Jegahan@reddit
Sorry if it came of as aggressive. I probably should have just said it is untrue. (Although, in my opinion, if someone makes a wrong claim without having checked its validity, yes I would consider this a lie, but hey, feel free to disagree.)
As I said, I've seen quite a few people attribute the stability of Gnome apps to KDE. It is quite unfair given that they are so often very eager to blame Gnome devs for the cause of this stability, the lack of the customizability, while never acknowledging the benefits it brings (or even worse, giving the credit for it to other devs)
sublime_369@reddit
No problemo. Sorry for responding with what felt like an equivalent energy.. seemed like a good idea at the time.
Rialagma@reddit
I don't even like the look of KDE apps on KDE so I'm not sure I'd blame gnome here in terms of UI design
allalongthewest@reddit
Plasma comes with a GTK theme that makes everything match the Qt theme. Meanwhile, Gnome doesn't make any attempt to integrate Qt apps, so you just get the nasty default Qt theme.
TiZ_EX1@reddit
The GTK theme only works if it's not Adwaita, and GNOME is heavily pushing people to use Adwaita over vanilla GTK.
allalongthewest@reddit
Well, there's literally nothing they can do about that. At least they're making an effort.
Damglador@reddit
I think Mint started an effort so that people can do something about it, reimplementing libadwaita with theming.
Traditional_Hat3506@reddit
it literally looks exactly the same on both gnome and kde, are we even looking at the same app?
Misicks0349@reddit
Mostly because KDE apps don't ship with the Breeze theme (unless they're packaging for windows) and expect the environment to produce it, and gnome doesn't do that (because they dont ship Breeze).
manobataibuvodu@reddit
I wish they did. Every time I want to try a KDE app it's some ungodly visual mess but I can't be bothered to figure out how to install and switch themes.
DrinkyBird_@reddit
libadwaita apps look really out of place on KDE.
computer-machine@reddit
It makes sense, if you've heard Gnome devs' talk.
shroddy@reddit
It is not clear from the screenshots, but can it show permissions of a flatpak before install and on update if the permissions change?
Diuranos@reddit
for me discover much better. I can block installing choosen flatpack,. Ehh I can even completely unstick flatpack base if I want. you can choose automatic updates or not. for me the most important was I can choose many apps to one wkndows and click install, confirm again and that's it,. second discover have groups for apps.
only bazaar is better is speed. discover was slow on downloading and suprise have sometimes issues with installing all the apps.
bazaar everytime at first start showing some loading bar, on my side is from 4 to 9 sec that's doing someting and next is checking updates. if there are any updates example 6 of them, then irritating windows po up to do updates or not. always is showing first 3 or 4 apps, the rest you need click on top right to see what is actually installing. runing at background always like on the windows.
Ivan_Kulagin@reddit
Too bad flatpaks are not
IgorFerreiraMoraes@reddit
GNOME Software is so slow, and I can't even search other programs if updates or another program are installing. I'm on Silverblue and this is such a welcome addition!
Five_Hustle_Emir@reddit
I cant lie but it looks better than microsofts shitty app store.
proesporter@reddit
I'm assuming the permissions editing you are referring to would be post install like via Flatseal or KDE settings.
I just installed Bazaar to check it out, and it seems they don't even show pre-install, the permissions an app would leverage. I like flatpaks and always just go through flathub.org, but from what I remember both Gnome and KDE stores also show these permissions.
This seems to be a big omission to me, do you know if this will be incorporated?
voracread@reddit
I have seen it in Bazzite and I am flabbergasted that any KDE user could ever like it or recommend it.
TiZ_EX1@reddit
Bazzite uses so much GNOME tech in Plasma just because it's "cloud-native", and I absolutely hate it. It was the last straw that pushed me from Bazzite back to SteamOS on my Deck.
DankeBrutus@reddit
I like GNOME but ya I find it odd how much Bazzite relies on GNOME software. It makes me wonder why they even bothered with Plasma as the default DE in the first place. I guess because Steam OS uses it?
I couldn't even say off the top of my head which DE would be better for a distro with gaming as its primary focus. I know there was a bunch of discussion around VRR and latency and all that. But, at least for me, even with a 240hz display, VRR enabled, and a high DPI mouse I didn't notice a difference between GNOME and Plasma even with more competitive shooters like Counter-Strike.
Morphon@reddit
You can go back to Discover very easily. Since Bazzite uses ostree you can customize the image. SteamOS, not so much.
Lonsdale1086@reddit
From my understanding, not so easy?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bazzite/comments/1lu88ha/bazzite_july_2025_update_bazaar_z13_kernel_615/n2p3ugm/
TiZ_EX1@reddit
Fortunately, SteamOS does the sensible thing of avoiding GNOME tech in its Plasma distribution where possible, unlike Bazzite, so it already has Discover.
ThatOneShotBruh@reddit
Yeah, libadwaita is a dealbreaker for me. Even beyond it clashing with Plasma's UI, it just looks like it was made for tablets and not computers.
Morphon@reddit
Yeah, it's gross. I suggest turning it off and letting the Aurora devs know that this change is unwelcome.
I have half a mind to do a custom image of Aurora that excludes bazaar just to make it easier for people to opt-out of this thing. Ick.
mukavadroid@reddit
It's gonna stay, no matter how unwelcome you think it is.
Morphon@reddit
Turn it off. Easy:
ujust toggle-software-store
or... the way I do it... (more permanent and easier to automate in new installs)
rpm-ostree override remove bazaar krunner-bazaar
Boom. No more libawaita software center in your KDE immutable Fedora re-spin. :-)
Lightprod@reddit
Not on bazzite. They straight up removed it.
Morphon@reddit
Did you try to layer in plasma-discover?
Lightprod@reddit
The ujust command is not on bazzite. You need to layer discover, discover-flatpak, discover-notification and remove bazaar and bazarr-krunner (or something like that). Then repin discover.
Morphon@reddit
So the command would be:
rpm-ostree install plasma-discover-libs plasma-discover plasma-discover-flatpak plasma-discover-notifier
then,
rpm-ostree override remove bazaar krunner-bazaar
That should take care of the problem. Since these are coming straight from the Fedora repos, the only thing you might notice is slightly longer update times. If you're weekly (like me), you might not notice it at all.
Lightprod@reddit
Something like that.
But you might want to take a look at making an custom image if you layer a lot of stuff, since more layer = longer update times and more risk breaking ostree. It also allow /usr modifications without the temporary usr-overlay.
lmpcpedz@reddit
Lol, it's not awesome at all.
not_speshil_k@reddit
Does flatpak work on pop_os!?
Ok-Anywhere-9416@reddit
It's awesome, I don't ever want to install a flatpak again if it's not with Bazaar. It's blazing fast, scandalous.
NaheemSays@reddit
How will you install bazaar?
Morphon@reddit
Through flathub!
NaheemSays@reddit
It was just a stupid joke about bazaar-ception: needing bazaar to install bazaar.
GamerXP27@reddit
i use it for my Arch install for using flatpaks while i know using a terminal works, its nice to have a flatpak first gui manager for flatpaks, it does suck that it doesnt have a native Qt variant, i have used Discover it works most of the time, so trying it out it works so far.
lKrauzer@reddit
It's interesting but I'm gonna keep using GNOME Software since this does the trick for me
amarao_san@reddit
Spotify looks soo open soo source, like in freedom, yes?
MilesAhXD@reddit
does it not crash every few minutes and not take 20 years to load? if so it's probably better than discover
ukbeast89@reddit
Bazzite introduced me to this gem.
WanderingInAVan@reddit
Will give it a shot on my Enlightenment WM setup.