anon likes to show off his big boom sticks
Posted by SheepShagginShea@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 136 comments

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iz-Moff@reddit
Anon, your country once shown off it's nukes on live targets.
sjk0603@reddit
They were warned and told exactly what would happen.
They kept talking shit.
Oh well.
Okamitoutcourt@reddit
And then after the first one they just went "they won't do it a second time"
MRdzh@reddit
They didn’t though. They just didn’t instantly surrender. So USA thought that 3 days without a surrender is clear indication, that they must wipe out another city with all innocent people there.
K3LL1ON@reddit
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen because they held important military assets. And believe it or not, dropping the nukes saved lives. Both Japanese and American.
If the US hadn't forced Japan to surrender, we would have had to perform a ground invasion of mainland Japan. Countless more Japanese citizens and soldiers would have been killed, not to mention the US soldiers.
The bombs killed an estimated 160,000 people combined. Firebombing runs killed an estimated 900,000 people. Before the nukes were dropped, Japan had lost 2,100,000 soldiers, and the US had lost 110,000.
Neither-Phone-7264@reddit
wasn't the next target being considered kyoto or tokyo if they didn't surrender? i might've just hallucinated that so im genuinely not sure
EveningBoat8663@reddit
The US did not actually have a third nuke lined up in case the Japanese did not surrender after two. But the Japanese did not know this, so the bluff worked. Tokyo and Kyoto would likely not have been further targets. Tokyo had already been decimated by earlier firebombing campaigns and, from what I understand, Kyoto was largely spared from bombing due to its historical/cultural significance. In fact, one of the deciding factors in the choice of Nagasaki/Hiroshima was that they had been largely spared from earlier bombings and, as such, would serve well to demonstrate the raw destructive power of atomics.
Slip_Snake@reddit
Weren't they preparing for a third though?
It was in construction, but I'm pretty sure they ended up deconstructing it to be used for testing after they surrendered, right?
Yeah, yeah, Link
imreallyreallyhungry@reddit
This is correct, Henry L. Stimson was the man who would take Kyoto off the list whenever it came up as a target. Although, it could be argued it would've been fire bombed had it not shown up on the list of targets for the atomic bomb and cities on that list were intentionally sparred from firebombing.
Foxhound220@reddit
No. Both Kyoto and Tokyo was off limits.
Kyoto was because of the culture and political importance to Japan. The argument being if US nuked Kyoto and killing the imperial family in the process it will harden the Japanese population to fight to the last man.
Tokyo has already been firebombed so much there's really not a lot left to nuke.
Dont_Touch_My_Nachos@reddit
That plus the imperial palaces in both cities were set as off limits targets for the reason you mentioned above. In addition to the fact that they needed the head of state alive in order for the Japanese to formally surrender
Lerijie@reddit
The intended second target was supposed to be Kokura, on the northern coast of Kyushu. It was the location of the Japanese Imperial Army arsenal and considered militarily significant to the war effort.
However due to the cloud cover over Kokura and a faulty fuel system leading to the plane having a shorter range than intended, the back up target of Nagasaki (chosen due to having two major naval munition plants) was bombed instead.
And even in that location it exploded about a mile away from it's intended drop site due to haze, which ironically lessened the devastation somewhat since the blast was more contained in a valley, whereas the intended dropsite was the business district.
pepitobuenafe@reddit
Na, it was so the soviets dident get to have an upper hand in the negotiations with japan
K3LL1ON@reddit
Oh my bad, here I was thinking it was because Japan attacked the US by surprise, resulting in the deadliest attack on our own soil since the Battle of Gettysburg in fucking 1863. We then lost over 110,000 men fighting them in the Pacific Theater for almost 4 years.
But yeah, the US totally nuked them because we didn't want the Soviets winning. No other reason. 🙄
pepitobuenafe@reddit
I dont see a single thing that can justify the use of nukes. Yet you are trying.
TantricEmu@reddit
I sure can. The conventional bombing of Tokyo took as many lives as a nuke, but didn’t encourage any surrender. The nuke did.
K3LL1ON@reddit
Maybe if you actually read my original comment instead of spouting off nonsense...
pepitobuenafe@reddit
https://youtu.be/RCRTgtpC-Go?si=m-OGWNqivLkqiG1x
K3LL1ON@reddit
I will watch more of that later, but from what little I heard during the "Reasons" chapter, the content creator brings up an alternative solution which included using the nuke on the USSR. His citation for this solution was "Certain People".
I'm not happy we nuked Japan, I absolutely hate that so many civilians died throughout the entire war. It's awful, and I'm not saying we should be proud of it. What I'm saying is that, despite some having ulterior motives behind the nuking of Japan, it ultimately saved lives. That is indisputable.
Total estimated deaths in the Pacific Theater during WW2 (All countries and peoples) range from 25-35 million between 1931 and 1945. So let's break that down.
Low estimate: 25,000,000 deaths over roughly 14 years. That's 5,110 days. That's about 4,893 deaths a day, 203 deaths an hour, 4 deaths a minute, or 1 death every 18 seconds.
High estimate: 35,000,000 deaths. So about 6,850 deaths a day, 286 deaths every hour, 5 deaths a minute, or 1 death every 12 seconds.
That should put into perspective how many lives the nukes saved.
One-Beach-9307@reddit
end results 250k civilians dead, Manchuria back under communist control, half of corea Is now communist, the Japanese still have their emperor, the whole world is now racing to get the bomb and contrast our nuclear supremacy
but hey kids if it wasn't for the bombs we definitely would have had to invade the island country that by that point had 2 fisherman boats and a postal plane to assert control over the entire Pacific trust me!!!!
HoneyBadger19000@reddit
The Japanese will to fight was insane even in 1945. They literally had a coup even after the two bombs to try and keep fighting. The Soviet invasion of Manchuria was notable but didn't have the impact you think. The USSR had a lackluster Pacific fleet at the time and wasn't threatening the Japanese Mainland. The bombs were a necessary evil to end the conflict quickly and minimize deaths.
Ze_ke_72@reddit
Japan surrendered only because the URSS declared war on them. Then they capitulated to the USA(and only them) because they knew the US would treat them better than the Soviets. The bombs were a footnote for the Japan surrender.
BrainArson@reddit
Pffffff, ever seen Oppenheimer? Arrogant and powerdrunk idiots in charge, far far off the battlefield: "We need two nukes. One to show what we're capable of one the second to show that we can go on forever."
To come to terms with the past is hard, I know it damn well. Greetings from Germany.
RazeAndChaos@reddit
Opprnheimer is a docu-drama, read some actual history
BrainArson@reddit
I've read the biography, what about you?
RazeAndChaos@reddit
Read “The Making of the Atomic Bomb” by Robert Rhodes, it is one of the greatest and most in depth books regarding the decisions made and why they were made.
Okamitoutcourt@reddit
It's possible, but that's not what I was told in history class which makes this interesting
MRdzh@reddit
I’m guessing you’re from USA? I’m from Russia and the way we cover WWII is almost as though it ended after USSR took Berlin. Obviously there’s gonna be biases and historical inaccuracies. History is written by the victor, and there were a lot of victors in that war with different points of views and interests
Sourcesurfing@reddit
Interesting. For Americans the “European theater” ended with USSR taking Berlin but our war ended when Japan surrendered.
Okamitoutcourt@reddit
France, but yeah you're right
Kelainefes@reddit
Not surrendering immediately was a massive mistake on their end.
imreallyreallyhungry@reddit
Meanwhile, the US:
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
They thought “there is no way they have enough enriched uranium for a second one” and they were right!
Plutonium however…
PapaMoBucks@reddit
The crowning achievement in FAFO history.
RipDove@reddit
Literally harnessed the sun twice to show we done with their shit.
CircleWithSprinkles@reddit
They harnessed the sun on their flag, we harnessed it on their cities
YourLocalSnitch@reddit
Rising sun? Looks more like its dropping to me 🗣🗣🗣
NsaLeader@reddit
Japan in WW2 - "Ha, our combatants are so war ready, they will gladly throw themselves in the line of fire for their country! We have thousands and will never stop!"
US Response - "What about your cities?"
Orphano_the_Savior@reddit
tbf more lives were saved by avoiding an invasion by both American and Russian forces that would have likely led to a split Japan disaster worse than Germany with significantly more casualties. Japan was also brutally genociding most of mainland Asia
Personal-Barber1607@reddit
The Japanese were worse than the Nazis, seriously 😳.
That ought to give us an idea of how bad ww3 would be when a collectivist society turns towards authoritarianism things become unfathomably depraved.
We are in danger of repeating history again the same cultural gulf between USA and Japan exists between USA and China.
other-other-user@reddit
Speak softly and carry a big stick
mvicerion@reddit
"ahh fuck Russia has invaded Ukraine and China is getting more agressive each year, quick, send 20 morbillion dollars to Israel"
advocatus_diabolii@reddit
Aww that Parade looks nice. Lets have one of our own. The biggest military parade. So big and beautiful
No-Photograph-5058@reddit
We need to build our block chain ai corpo megacity there,
Yes I know people already live there, just move them somewhere else
BanzaiKen@reddit
More like verbal diarrhea and reliably kill at least a million civilians in some corporate backed misadventure every 20 years.
JustDontBeFat_GodDam@reddit
Shouldnt have flown planes into our buildings 🤷🏿♀️
mvicerion@reddit
Tar-Mairon7337@reddit
Keep justifying your corporate-backed misadventures as America hell yeah.
Soon they'll be too powerful and rich and you'll be sorry.
JustDontBeFat_GodDam@reddit
o ok
BanzaiKen@reddit
See what I mean about verbal diarrhea? Iraq and Libya did not send any hijackers whatsoever and both Hussein and Gaddaffi were in their own war with Al Qaeda. Iraq did have missiles that could reach Saudi Arabia, our "ally" that sent 3/4 of all the hijackers and Gaddaffi did attempt to move Africa to the gold standard to force companies to pay fair wages however. So Rah rah rah a bunch of brown kids died because OPEC wanted to feel safe and Sarkozy didnt want to pay a state loan back in gold.
JustDontBeFat_GodDam@reddit
Believe me, I agree. We should have leveled a lot more, without boots on the ground. There’s still time.
BanzaiKen@reddit
Away with you IDF.
JustDontBeFat_GodDam@reddit
Only reddit troglodytes can twist everything into antisemitism.
Oh I forgot what subreddit I was on
HaxboyYT@reddit
Mate you literally just called for bombing the middle east for shits and giggles and yet you have the audacity to turn around and cry racism
BanzaiKen@reddit
Gotcha, bitch. Post more racist Muslim shit please.
AntiProtonBoy@reddit
You seppos do neither lol.
Trespeon@reddit
Speak softly and carry a big stick.
It’s a known fact Japan would have sacrificed every single person in the country and never surrendered. It wasn’t until even the 2nd bomb went off and the people straight up called on the government to surrender or riots will occur they even considered it.
They honestly probably wouldn’t have surrendered if they knew we only had 2. It’s the fact they thought we could keep doing this that they chilled out.
DaDurdleDude@reddit
Isn't this a talking point to justify the bombs, and Japan was definitely willing to surrender, the USA just wanted complete unconditional surrender before the Soviets could continue pushing in?
BaitGuy@reddit
It's obviously not known what the consequences of not dropping the bombs were but 1. the Japanese military was legitimately fucking nuts in their beliefs/behavior and 2. if the U.S./Soviets were forced to invade the islands there would have been way more deaths than the two bombs.
Trespeon@reddit
Isn’t there a story of a dude on an island for like 40 years and thought the war was still going and was still “fighting” it.
Obviously I could be wrong, but I feel like I’ve read more confirming this fact than the opposite.
DaDurdleDude@reddit
There were multiple Japanese holdouts after the war, but there is a difference between upper brass that knows the writing is on the wall, and the handful of fanatics that were cut off from everyone. It was literally a matter of "hey do we surrender unconditionally, or do we hope we can get a better deal with the US or the Soviets" and the US wanted to use its new toy, scare the shit out of the Soviets, and get their demands from Japan faster, so they vaporized two cities.
HaxboyYT@reddit
Japan would not have fought to the last man that’s purely propaganda.
Japan had already asked for terms for a conditional surrender, they just ended up being used as test dummies to scare the shit outta the Soviets
ultimatemandan@reddit
Except for that pestky surrender agreement that offered
Goingallinn@reddit
The soviet steamroller was also on his way and would have gladly raped and blundered they're way into mainland japan.
Danijay2@reddit
Anon has no idea how powerful nukes are.
Every nuke on the planet combined couldn't even come close to wiping humanity out.
consumehepatitis@reddit
Once you have nukes you’re part of the big boy club
Flatulentbass@reddit
They look like dog turds
homingmissile@reddit
Yeah, a nuke should be pointy otherwise it will bounce off the target
Flatulentbass@reddit
Or sticky, like gum
Vinyl-addict@reddit
Because having nukes means major world powers can’t bully you into their hegemony. As easily at least.
Joelblaze@reddit
Western powers freak out over Iran making miles for this reason, they want to pretend like the country is run by suicidal psychopaths who want to end the world but it simply is because when a government nukes, you'll never be able to fully overthrow them.
Ukraine used to have nukes, and got rid of them in exchange for protection by the Western powers.....which has turned out wonderfully for them.
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
If Ukraine had nukes, you think anything would change?
Joelblaze@reddit
When's the last time a country with nukes has been invaded?
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
Pakistan/India? Israel?
Joelblaze@reddit
So you don't know what an invasion is. Good to know.
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
Israel got invaded by Palestine lol. Tables turned yeah but still
Joelblaze@reddit
If you want to know the difference between an incursion and invasion, you have October 7th vs Gaza for the past 2 years.
And if you still can't tell, I don't have the crayons to explain it to you in a way you can understand.
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
Ah ok yeah you got me
I mean, you're wrong and upset about that, but sure friend
Superkritisk@reddit
Ukraine and nukes is where we got the saying "never trust an American" as they were the ones to push for denuclearization.
To put it mildy: The wests response to Ukraine being invaded, is so lackluster and pathetic, no one will ever give up their nukes again or trust our word.
Tortuin@reddit
I'm surprised by how many people don't understand the concept of showing power.
I_ONLY_CATCH_DONKEYS@reddit
This has nothing to do with showing power. Everybody knows China has nukes. If you wanna show some power do a ballistics test where the us can pick it up.
Taking your nukes for a walk down the street is pathetic domestic propaganda.
homingmissile@reddit
Fantastic idea, reveal your true capabilities and also shortcomings so your enemies have a better idea of what you actually can and cannot do. That's how to do it!
I_ONLY_CATCH_DONKEYS@reddit
You don’t have to test your strongest missile. This doesn’t change the fact that walking your nukes down the street is obviously for domestic propaganda
homingmissile@reddit
You're just describing any military parade. Not even worth calling them "propaganda" since everybody knows what it's about.
Foxhound220@reddit
It's a show of force of their cutting edge tech. The nukes they showed are the newest development which has a range of 20,000km.
It's literally the same as US "naval exercise" 200km away from Chinese coast.
I_ONLY_CATCH_DONKEYS@reddit
This is purely for domestic pride, it’s not the same as a ballistics test. You don’t do a parade to scare your enemies, you launch a missile.
Side note: dear god the furry porn, please get help.
Meowser02@reddit
jiajia_92@reddit
Asian here.
We show off our big boom sticks so you might be scared into using your big boom sticks.
RaiderCat_12@reddit
Gotta love oriental arms development, from “box cannons” made in sheds and stamped with gibberish markings to full on nukes.
Foxintoxx@reddit
Nukes can't annihilate the human race .
SheepShagginShea@reddit (OP)
Yeah extinction is very unlikely, but the science is still unsettled. I believe there's a consensus that an all out nuke war would cause significant crop failure through global cooling, as occurred after Tambora exploded in 1815. It's just a question of whether the global ash cloud would be thick enough, and last along enough, to kill off all the crops. Detonating every nuke would create more blast energy than Tambora so it's theoretically possible that we could create a mass extinction event that takes out every large mammal
Foxintoxx@reddit
Alas it's not . The nuclear explosion itself doesn't produce the ash and soot , the soot is produced by the material being burnt by the explosion's thermal radiation and subsequent fires . A volcano however does release ash and soot on its own .So you can't directly compare energy released between a volcano and nuclear explosions , for example the blast from a nuclear bomb often puts out fires that the radiation ignited . If you were to detonate all those bombs in the middle of the ocean , it wouldn't produce any soot . Initial theories in 1983 on the magnitude of nuclear winters relied on estimates of how much burnable material exists in urban environments (city buildings but also oil wells etc.) and made wrong assumptions on how quickly and how much it could turn into soot (firestorm vs conflagration) .
The gigantic Kuwaiti oil fires of 1991 were a good opportunity to test out various hypotheses surrounding nuclear winters , and a very important one was a "self lofting" effect that was theorized to happen once the soot was high enough to absorb sublight and lift itself up to the stratosphere where it would remain for years and cause a catastrophic cooling that could affect the entire Northern Hemisphere . This self lofting effect didn't manifest . As a result the cooling was limited to the gulf of persia directly underneath the smoke which Sagan measured at a 4-6C drop . When the fires stopped , temperatures went back to normal quickly .
Since then models have been revised and there is no clear consensus on the effect a full nuclear exchange would have on the climate (the effects on the ozone layer seem to be more dangerous and long lasting than the cooling for instance) but in general they are a lot less dramatic than initial estimates .
That doesn't mean a full blown nuclear war can't be devastating for the climate and our environment , because it would be . What it means is that nukes can't annihilate the human race .
At least not the nukes we currently have and not through nuclear winter . Several thermonuclear bombs wrapped in cobalt 59 and detonated at the right places around the globe would 100% do the trick though .
SheepShagginShea@reddit (OP)
well I appreciate you taking the time to educate me lol
I still choose to believe we could kill off all of us if we tried hard enough. What if like we put all the nukes at the same point and slightly changed the earth's orbit? That happened in The Day the Earth Caught Fire and that movie was dope
Foxintoxx@reddit
The combined energy of all known nuclear weapons currently in use is about 3 gigatons . For comparison the energy released on impact by the Chicxulub impactor (which wiped out the dinosaurs) is estimated around 100 teratons so 33 333 times more powerful than all nuclear weapons combined . It didn't cause any measurable change in Earth's orbit .
Reading_username@reddit
Am I too Asian to understand the tradition? Can a white explain why they love hiding their big boomers where I can't ogle them?
RedHatGuy255@reddit
Anybody who is not an idiot and lives in the west understands the nuclear triad.
Sturmp@reddit
There’s a big difference between the general knowledge that everything could blow up at any time cause the morality people on tv said so, versus ACTIVELY seeing them and ACTIVELY talking about their power. There’s a reason why politicians don’t talk about nukes as much as during the cold war, despite the threat of mutually assured destruction still very much existing and us still very much owning them. Nukes make us anxious and when you want to have a culture war, having everybody’s mind being on impending doom makes other problems seem small.
Metrix145@reddit
Wait until you discover the Samson option. We are so fucked, it's not even funny.
Lord_Chromosome@reddit
We already tried raising a generation on the fear of nuclear annihilation and it resulted in the baby boomers.
DinoMastah@reddit
Well, if they weren't hidden in a safe place they could be detonated by someone and cause uncalculable damage.
I'm sure that the "nukes" being displayed on parades are just the missile with no warhead.
Foxhound220@reddit
Next think you're telling me those guns the soldiers were parading with were unloaded as well.
What nonsense!
Adventurous_Mode9948@reddit
There is the titan 2 missile museum in Tuscon Arizona. They turned a decommissioned missile silo and launch control room into a museum. Actually seeing the equipment for yourself is awe-inspiring. Seeing a 103 foot tall missile with a 9 megaton warhead on it really brings home the fact that these weapons do really exist and are still out there.
Throw_away_away55@reddit
Hail Atom
racinreaver@reddit
There's a Minuteman silo in South Dakota just outside the Black Hills that's similar.
I_ONLY_CATCH_DONKEYS@reddit
Hiding them away is the objectively correct thing to do. It’s the virgin “look at my nukes please” versus the Chad “you already know what we got”
XxRoyalxTigerxX@reddit
You can see minuteman missiles/ICBMs at the National Air Force Museum in Dayton
It’s genuinely insane how big they are, like you KNOW they are big, but holy fuck
other-other-user@reddit
Speak softly and carry a big stick
battle_clown@reddit
Muh nationalism and tribalism and that's it. It literally is "we could kill everyone who isn't us if we wanted yay!!!" there's no nuance or subtext human beings are simply xenophobic and selfish by nature
the_gwyd@reddit
I would argue it's not even that complex, it's just "yay we are powerful", I don't think many people think too hard about the ending of humanity bit of these machines
battle_clown@reddit
Can't be strong without comparing yourself to others and calling them weak
Norzon24@reddit
The point of nukes is literally to threaten everyone. If it ever comes a time nukes have to be launched they have already failed
Grrlpants@reddit
Because their forced to at gun point?
LB1234567890@reddit
Quick question:
Does that mean you could, theoretically, wipe Beijing off the planet by going at one of these parades with a grenade?
randomguywithmemes@reddit
A grenade wouldn't set off a nuke, actually, even a nuke wouldn't set off another nuke. There needs to be a VERY specific and precise set of conditions and reactions for a nuclear explosion to happen
Firedamp_Weaponry@reddit
There is a 9/10 chance that these are just empty missiles with no/dummy warheads attached. And even if they were actual nuclear warheads, a hand grenade going off next to it wouldn't be enough to set it off.
I_ONLY_CATCH_DONKEYS@reddit
This is purely for domestic pride, it’s not the same as a ballistics test. You don’t do a parade to scare your enemies, you launch a missile.
Side note: dear god the furry porn, please get help.
kakom38274@reddit
for china, look up century of humiliation
hagamablabla@reddit
Chinese nationalists still bring up the 8 nation alliance to this day, and compare modern Western powers to them. The nukes are a way to both say "we're never getting attacked like that again" and "we aren't falling behind the West anymore"
Sercotani@reddit
it's understandable really, considering how many "patriots" still bring up the Civil War in the US...
Foxhound220@reddit
Or Boston tea party.
StormOfFatRichards@reddit
I'm not about to watch your weird cuckold pornos bucko
Naive_Drive@reddit
Anon acting as if air shows don't exist.
Zorcky-2C@reddit
The fact that anon says that despite being from the only county in the world who nuked civilians is ironic.
cooking_is_overrated@reddit
>the only country that's ever nuked anyone constantly crying about others having nukes
yea I think OP is too white to understand
Also I think OP is coping with his country having just had a pathetically embarrassing military "parade" and is suffering from a chronic case of sour grape syndrome
lAljax@reddit
Nukes are the only insurance policy a country can have on geo politics. If not for nukes, Moscow would have been carpeted bombed by now.
SuspiciousPine@reddit
This is why Iran needs to finish the damn bomb if they want to stop being hit by the US and Israel
lAljax@reddit
Tricky one, because if they get close they can be nuked first.
kRe4ture@reddit
Whenever a country holds a huge military parade I immediately assume their leaders dick is incredibly small.
Token_Thai_person@reddit
"Strongmen" characters love military parades. See Xi, Putin, Donald Trump, etc.
mvicerion@reddit
Republicans would definetly be doing this "oriental despotism" things if they actually knew how to do it without being it looking like some 3rd world country.
Abdowo@reddit
It's might also be an insurance against any attempt for war or coup.
NotRandomseer@reddit
Yeah , kinda stupid to publicly show where your nukes are and have them out in the open near a populated city. I'm assuming those aren't active/ just empty containers
Qloudy_sky@reddit
They like to see them because the know one of the reasons why they are sovereign and don't need to fear a attack from cough white *cough" nations is because of their nukes.
They have peace in their mind and gladly want the see the reason for it in parades, it's maybe hard to understand for western nations which don't want peace but are constantly escalating and poking
justaBB6@reddit
>Am I too white- no the fuck you are not lmao
surinam_boss@reddit
They're the reason you keep your sovereignty
Neuroprancers@reddit
Western states don't really have a dedicated launcher vehicles for the larger missiles, so it's hard to parade a Submarine for the 14th July.