Possible to rebuild engine with no experience?
Posted by The_Herald__@reddit | projectcar | View on Reddit | 107 comments
I have a '95 LT1 and 4L60E from a Chevy Corvette that I'm planning to shove into a '72 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (Both GM so it's ok) to replace the old 350 rocket and TH350. I'm less worried about physically getting them in right now, will figure that out later, more about getting them ready.
The engine and trans are from a junkyard, who knows how long they've been untouched as I got it from someone else who abandoned their El Camino project.
Is it possible for me to, with no engine building experience, to tear down, replace critical parts CORRECTLY, and rebuild the engine at home, likely in the backyard as shown? If not, I can try and find an engine shop but I'm in a smaller town in Central Coast CA and there's not much here. I'm planning to send the trans to a shop and not try that myself.
If yes, what do I need to swap and what should I avoid? Gaskets should be easy and necessary, but are bearings beginner-friendly? I'm an electrical engineer, not mechanical, but I should be able to take measurements and follow instructions after getting all the specialty tools.
I know the optispark should get replaced, as well as the water pump. Anything else or other VERY easy part swaps that should be done? Nervous about jumping into it and ending up with a now disassembled pile of scrap.
wootybooty@reddit
I am in my 30’s and just learned my first rebuild and complete restoration on a 2001 Celica GT, even performing a swap with GT-S engine and transmission. I learned off forum posts and YouTube. There are exceptions, but generally the older the car the less complexities to deal with.
The_Herald__@reddit (OP)
Excellent car choice, I love the Celica!
wootybooty@reddit
You got this! It literally comes down to time vs money and having no fear. There are always resources out there to help guide what you need to do. You may have to purchase specialty tools or come up with a creative solution. The Celica took me about 2 years, many days waiting on parts, saving up money, beating my head until eureka moments.
The most technical part for me was re-timing the chain, but after watching several videos and forum posts I was able to complete this myself.
And whenever I was waiting on money or parts to continue, I would sit with my dremel and meticulously clean parts of the engine block and transmission.
I’m a DIY computer engineer, and I found this analogous to PC building and modding. If you love a challenge, welcome to your new obsession and pain!!
UrMomGoes_To_College@reddit
If you don't own a torque wrench, time to buy one. That and a Chiltons manual. Good luck!
The_Herald__@reddit (OP)
I had forgotten about the Haynes manuals! Had one for my 94 Thunderbird.
lightingthefire@reddit
You didn’t say if it’s a #s matching Olds engine, but my advice would be to rebuild the Rocket, you know it fits and probably needs a lot less to be operational. You’ve had it for years and was running. You don’t know anything about the junkyard LT1.
69 Cutlass S with rebuilt original engine guy here. I did opt for a new 4speed OD trans to replace the ol Jet-a-way 2 speed.
The_Herald__@reddit (OP)
I don't know if it's a numbers matching engine, I know my dad had to throw in a bunch of accessories to get it running (poorly) when he owned it. But I couldn't care less either way, the car's in awful condition, the only thing it has going for it is that it's not super rusty. It has zero interior, holes in the roof from the vinyl top, and dented body panels. It's never going to be a beautiful, original, numbers matching Barret-Jackson-worthy car. I've driven it maybe 3 miles in the many years I've had it. I wouldn't want to restore the Rocket and TH350 because I want EFI and a 4th gear.
Antisocialbumblefuck@reddit
Looks like some ones ready for that youtubeducation.
Plenty of resources for LS builds out there.
The_Herald__@reddit (OP)
Less for these Gen IIs though, since it pre-dates LS. That and there's 3 different LT1s in 3 different generations because GM loves reusing engine codes. The old forums are very hit or miss and harder to search
LSMMZ@reddit
Tell that to all the guys who say every Chevy V8 from the beginning of time are the same.
PotatoDrives@reddit
When I was about to tear into my L98 I found actual print books to be the best resource for a full tear down and rebuild. I'm sure there's a couple good books out there for the LT1. Corvette forums should also be a good resource.
jbjhill@reddit
Having a page sitting on the stool next to you is so my preferred way to work.
crazyabootmycollies@reddit
Beats having to change gloves with sweaty hands just to unlock the tablet or phone.
HoosierNewman@reddit
And repeat OFTEN when screensaver keeps kicking in, or sharing bandwidth with a 4k movie playing in one room, gamer in another.
jbjhill@reddit
I tried an iPad Mini, but it was just better for me to burn up the printer at work and put my service manuals in binders (although torn 3-hole pages blow).
Leprikahn2@reddit
https://share.google/UHZRZnOn149yiDLt8
A haynes manual would be where I'd start.
Important_Chair8087@reddit
I always did better with chiltons
Late_As_Sometimes@reddit
https://lt1swap.com/
everyoneisatitman@reddit
Oddly enough if you are LS swap curious you should go to lt1swap.com as well.
Rasputin_the_Saint@reddit
HAVE A FIRE EXTINGUISHER ON HAND. That is all.
nerfnerf630@reddit
I didnt have experience when I started. Now I do. That's how it works. Send the tranny to a shop and get to tearing the engine apart
dude_himself@reddit
My first time I was in college: bored and stroked a Jeep I6 into a beast. Rode a moped to get parts as it was my daily driver. Took 3mo of evenings and parts orders to complete, fired right up. I drove 900 miles to visit friends and changed the oil at 100 & 500 miles. Put 100k on that engine before selling the Jeep with 215k total.
rawkguitar@reddit
Everyone starts out with no experience
CelTiar@reddit
Absolutely.
Just did an axle for my Jeep no prior Knowlege just Google and Harbour freight for tools
Sandblasted it down and built it back up with a regear.
Do your research and find torque specs for bolts.
Get a Good Torque Wrench. Don't just breaker bar that shit and break bolts.. your gona have tolerances for Crank and cam same with Rings. On the piston.
Good gloves too to keep your finger oils from influencing rust. Oils and grease is good to coat things you dont want to rust. I used Red and Tacky to cover everything from bearings to the gears and the Axle Shafts.
stahp_plss@reddit
Rebuilt my S52 engine with no prior engine building experience. It is running strong 2 years and 15k miles later
LuckyNumber-Bot@reddit
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H0ckeyfan829@reddit
I did it years ago when I was in my 20s but that was on a K car wagon. Taught me a lot about wrenching and quality time with my dad.
leprakon13@reddit
Absolutely doable, one of the generational cycles I’m trying to break is the mentality “if you weren’t born knowing how to work on cars then you’ll never know”
Also where’s that 350 rocket going? 👀 I have a 307 I wouldn’t mind replacing
Khoas7@reddit
Very positive feedback. I love it! I'm looking to do the same one day.
Conscious_Yam6210@reddit
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ultramilkplus@reddit
That's how you get experience. I've rebuilt at least 4 vintage engines from the machine shop to running, and just following the basic Hayes manuals or the SA Designs books. Back in the forum days, you could also find old heads that would give you the "pro-tips" like what ring gaps and bearing clearances to shoot for.
SensualBeefLoaf@reddit
i mean. do you think we were all born with engine building experience?
read books/manuals, watch youtube videos, talk to people on forums, ask questions. it’s just information, consume it. it’s how you learn yo do stuff. i’m sure you’ll fuck something up, hopefully it wont be dramatic.
Exact_Yogurtcloset26@reddit
Dont take apart something that may be fine. I would think about doing the pan seal, rear main, intake, timing cover, and rocker gaskets, and redo oil pump
Good benefit is while doing that you get a great view inside the engine.
Also start with a compression test and see if compression is great and if not, you know you will be diving into valves or worse the bottom end
The_Herald__@reddit (OP)
Thank you, this is exactly the kind of advice I was looking for.
BackgroundRecipe3164@reddit
Yup, just to add to this, the way I learned and got here was starting on lawnmowers. If they are broke, doesn't matter what you do to it. Also very simple, so good to base knowledge on.
Djdoubleu@reddit
I agree here I would start with gaskets ect. Basically a re seal and inspect to see if you need to go further. You will be able to get a good idea of how well it was maintained and running. Can also pull the plugs and learn how to read them. Run a boroscope in the cylinders to check the condition of cylinder walls.
Legitimate_Variety_9@reddit
Go to one of the chain auto stores and rent of borrow a compression gauge. If there are no compression leaks, don't mess with the internals. Replace the seals and gaskets as mentioned on a previous post.
jem_13b@reddit
I’d also recommend a leak down tester. It’ll show how well your engine seals vs just a static compression test.
Legitimate_Variety_9@reddit
Agreed, but if he's a newbie, a compressor might not be handy.
devilpants@reddit
When I used to do a bunch of car project stuff I just swapped all sorts of unknown engines in and then figured it out later and while my friends were stuck in rebuild limbo for years I was out actually driving my cars.
pulling the engine out of an old cutlass only takes a couple hours anyway if it needs to be pulled to repair afterwards.
nastyinsc@reddit
This should be way higher. No need to tear it down just cause.
JoeMalovich@reddit
Just by asking this question you are far ahead of the failures others make.
jem_13b@reddit
Every engine builder ever did a rebuild for the first time at some point. Buy a Haynes/chilton manual for the corvette, spend time on the corvette forum, and watch whatever YouTube videos that are out there.
I just rebuilt my gen ii LT4 for my old C10, and am happy to help however I can, but they’re pretty straight forward engines.
Good luck & have fun!
dumbname0192837465@reddit
Everyone starts somewhere, before youtube you'd just be out there with a greasy Chiltons book
Psarsfie@reddit
Go for it! There’s lots of resources. Gather your resources, review them, research your questions, then slowly go step-by-step.
Something that helped me a lot was taking lots of pictures: before, during, and after each step, plus keeping a notebook documenting each step and adding things to remember, things that I learned, and a reminder of things to do during re-assembly.
Plus, read all the web sites, as there’s a ton of experienced folks out there with an incredible amount of wisdom & advice to learn from.
QLDZDR@reddit
You have the engine on an engine stand, which is great. You can buy rebuild kits that will have the parts you need to replace. You should have a security camera recording you while you tinker, just as a backup for when you misplace something or to be able to check which order parts were pulled out so you can be ready to reverse that order when putting the new parts back in. Plastic bags to keep nuts, bolts and washers or spacers that came from one part of the engine together.
PaddyBoy1994@reddit
If you want to learn how to rebuild an engine, a GM pushrod V8 is about the best thing on the planet to learn on. Super simple engines, usually pretty resilient, and parts are usually fairly cheap.
Flash_Bandicoot@reddit
I dunno man. As long as the Olds 350 isn't toast, I'd rebuild it. LT1s are good, but if you're gonna go to the trouble of retrofitting the wiring harness for this project, I'd want an LS. It's got wider parts availability, more reliable, and capable of quite a bit more power. Olds parts are gonna be a bit more expensive, but they can be torque monsters and there are fewer and fewer OEM powered BOP Abodys every day.
Anyway, It's your car obviously, so do what you want, just my two cents. Good luck with the project.
The_Herald__@reddit (OP)
I might hang on to the 350 and rebuild that once it's out, but from the very little I've driven this car since I've owned it, it's loud, slow, smelly, and inefficient. I figure 30 year old tech is probably a bit better than 50 year old tech. Electronics and an extra gear won't hurt.
Honestly if I had more money / was less lazy I'd perform the ultimate sacrilege and make it electric, then it'd really be a torque monster.
devilpants@reddit
The big benefit of the lt1 is that it's efi, but it's pretty much a 50s engine spruced up with a lot of the issues that come with the old tech (relatively inefficient, crappy seals/gaskets, etc..). If you want to go through all the work and want something thats way better get a 5.3 truck engine or something. Light years better.
EvanAllWhitey@reddit
Strip away the efi and that 30yo tech is almost identical to the 50yo tech. Rebuilding that 350 is some of the best advice in this thread. Have it punched .30 over, decent set of heads off of marketplace and a good intake/cam setup and that motor would surprise you.
Flash_Bandicoot@reddit
Yeah. 72 was the year they really dropped the compression on engines. Adding flat top pistons to replace the dished, a decent cam, a good intake and some headers, you'd be looking at around 350 HP. The stock vette LT1 was rated at 300 If i remember correctly.
boatzart@reddit
For sure. A few years ago my FIL gave me his 1970 240Z that wasn’t running. I had zero mechanical experience, but one thing led to another and a year or so and tens of hours of YouTube videos later I had the engine rebuilt and running great. It’s not perfect, but it’s one of the things I’m most proud of doing. Just jump in and I promise you can figure it out.
goathree@reddit
you will have experience when you’re done!
MazerRackham73@reddit
In my experience the best experience is experience.
siresword@reddit
Totally possible, you just need to take your time, don't force things, use lots of lube.... Wait, what were we talking about again?
christsay@reddit
You got this! I’m a computer engineer (think EE plus CS) and I rebuilt a BMW S14 on my own with the help of the E30 M3 community as well as a good machine shop local to me that I used to clean, bore, and hone the block. They also helped me to get the measurements the piston people needed. I did the entire mechanical assembly of the bottom end, timed the cams, buttoned it up into the car and then outsourced getting the standalone going so I can’t take 100% credit for getting the engine running again. I also had the head ported and rebuilt so didn’t have to touch the valves except to swap test springs in while checking P-V clearances.
Before this endeavor I’d never opened an engine deeper than replacing valve cover and oil pan gaskets.
Just take your time, ask questions, and revel in the excuse to buy new tools.
olov244@reddit
that's how I started. I'm sure some people would say it was a bad build I did in my driveway, no machine work, improper measuring tools - but it runs for a few hundred in some gasket kits with rings and bearings. make sure you clean it well and use good assembly lube
now a transmission, that's black magic. I've tried rebuilding two, both almost worked but didn't really. they always felt like they were low on fluid and were only putting out like 5% of the power they should have
TBFP_BOT@reddit
Engine swapping my Fiero with a 3800 Engine was the first auto project I had ever done.
Before that I had done nothing besides changed oil!
jooooooohn@reddit
Dunning Krueger effect
Ragefear@reddit
I had experience building various parts of engines but my first LS build I bought a book that I thought invaluable.
https://a.co/d/27yteRl
The ISBN number is 978-1932494-60-0
Beginning-Cash-3299@reddit
There is no such education as free education. Good luck
SubaruTome@reddit
Possible? Yes.
Recommended? No.
Grab yourself both the Chilton and Haynes manuals for this car.
Giantmidget1914@reddit
Yes, I'm sure. With enough time and patience.
Then there's me. It took over a decade but I finished it, it drives. It drives like a dog and no one I've taken it to or any suggestions have gotten any reasonable power from it. It's a mild (new) 383. It should have torn the rear out by now. It sat for a few years as a result. Even invested in a sniper because I totally had money for that. MFr. I don't understand it but I'm tired of it.
Then I met a guy that does 'running on the stand' and I'm currently gearing up to swap the whole drive train to an LS. Fan to pumpkin.
At least it'll keep me busy.
Estef74@reddit
Sounds like you wound up with a big mismatch in parts. Something like a mislabeled cam, pistons with the wrong compression height for you combustion chamber volume. Hell, even the entirely wrong converter or rear gear will turn it to a dog.
Here is a for I stance story. This summer dad and I(mostly me) broke the rear end in his gasser Dodge coupe. We had a pair rear but went from a 4.10 gear to a 3.73, and it tore the guts out of it. The car ran a half second slower with two ratios higher gear. To compensate, our dumb asses are going to try a 4.56 next
Giantmidget1914@reddit
I'm actually pretty happy there's a path forward. I spent a LOT of time for it to be ...meh. I'm excited again and while I'm not super happy with the cost, there are MANY things I intend to do differently.
I still love spending 4 hours building the perfect bracket with a bracket for the bolt so it fits the bracket to hold a wire in the right spot. You get the idea. It's very soothing and flexes a different part of the brain or whatever.
Estef74@reddit
Best of luck with your next mill. If you didn't have a plan, my suggestion was going to be a full teardown to find you problem, or at least posting every detail of your build to see if someone here could help identify the issue.
Probablyawerewolf@reddit
If there were any engine to learn on, it’s this one. LOL
teeheEEee27@reddit
Bro, if you're any kind of engineer then you'll be fine. If you can follow directions and you have some intuition on when you're going to mechanically break something, rebuilding an engine will be no problem.
The first time I rebuilt an engine I'd never done it before. Just document disassembly in case there's a lapse of time before reassembly. It really sucks when you can't remember how to put together the thing you took apart a year ago...
Estef74@reddit
You better hang into that 350 rocket unless it trashed beyond rebuild. Those were good motors, just a bunch heavier then the LT1 your replacing it with.
Cheezslap@reddit
TONY STARK BUILT THIS IN A CAVE
Yeah, a reasonably handy person can rebuild an engine. Follow a build guide, ask questions on appropriate forums and subs, and you'll get there.
EvanAllWhitey@reddit
There’s a million engine rebuild videos out there. Even older horsepower tv episodes have some great info in them. A lot of the stuff is cross platform for example, measuring for correct bearing sizes, measuring for clearances, cam installs, the process for removing and installing cam bearings, checking push rod lengths, valve lash, etc. you really aren’t going to run into a ton of platform specific stuff with just a basic tear down and rebuild with the exception of newer stuff like overhead cam engines/ timing for those and things of that sort. That engine shares a lot of the same dna as gen 1 small blocks.
SimpleReflection6@reddit
Yes it is possible. We all start from somewhere but do adequate research. Do not be afraid to ask questions
icarus1990xx@reddit
Charm.li is an invaluable repository of information. Most if not all the information you find is scans and transcriptions of original manuals.
Milkyrice@reddit
I did it. Watch a YouTube video for general teardown/assembly. But get a workshop manual to get the torque specs. It's also useful to find the EPC so you can order the correct parts. I would also suggest replacing all rubber and seals inside the engine while you're at it
Hairbear2176@reddit
Yep! I've been wrenching for decades, and at 48 am building my first engine. Hit up YouTube, get service manuals, learn what you can, and take your time! I will say that one of the most important things is to measure, measure, measure! Tolerances and clearances on engines are VERY important, so you need to be very particular about that part.
boredtotears56@reddit
Nice work! Patience right? I haven’t done a rebuild, but I’m pretty sure I could do in a couple months of weekends. But what does it actually take, half a day?
Hairbear2176@reddit
That really depends. For example, I had a very good core, so I didn't need to send it to a machine shop. Odds are that you may need to have machine work done, if not and you do it yourself, it can take a while. If you send the block and heads off to have everything done (cleaning, machining, etc...), when you get it back, it's mostly measuring for accuracy and then assembling it.
RingConsistent3328@reddit
My great grandfather was a sheep farmer his whole life in Maine. In 1970 he picked up a book on how to rebuild diesel engines. Read many manufactures service guides and opened a diesel shop. Definitely possible. Things were definitely different back then. Today I feel like that would be a tough go due to electrical diag
Winter_Reality_9578@reddit
How else would engines get rebuilt? Everyone starts somewhere. I like the show “Engine Masters” from motor trend they basically teach you like 80% to 90% of what you need to do engine building. The rest of it would be referencing manuals to find specs
grundlemon@reddit
Where do you think experience is acquired?
PM_Me_A_High-Five@reddit
Everyone starts somewhere. I rebuilt an engine over Christmas break in college with my dad coming out and telling me what to do every couple hours. I drove that Camaro for a long time after that.
wriddell@reddit
It’s not rocket science but don’t rush, find someone who does know what they’re doing and remember that there are no stupid questions.
Big-Energy-3363@reddit
Possible yes, accurately, absolutely not!
32contrabombarde@reddit
Everyone has to start somewhere. Go for it
tuskusbeat@reddit
No one knows anything until they learn.
ArtistAmantiLisa@reddit
Right? How do you know if you can if you haven’t given it a go?
tuskusbeat@reddit
Exactly. I’ve been in the industry for 15 years. Opened my own shop 3 years ago. I still make mistakes. Everything can be fixed. You absolutely will make mistakes but that’s how you learn. Also, the more you ask for help, the less you will have to ask for help.
Alicewilsonpines@reddit
Try and get the shop and service manual for the particular car
Bama3003@reddit
Haynes Manuals
kabobkebabkabob@reddit
Nothing beats a physical book for this kinda thing
Great_Income4559@reddit
You were capable enough to pull an engine, you are capable enough to rebuild an engine
humanmanhumanguyman@reddit
Very unlikely that it actually needs a rebuild. The actual engine part of the LT engines were pretty rugged, it was everything around them that usually failed afaik
Educational-Cake7350@reddit
Totally possible. There are handfuls of books with pictures, torque specs, tool checklists, etc.
The small block engine is a pretty straightforward engine, so with some reading, and a little bit of finesse, you can totally do it! Cam bearings might be a little more difficult to replace, but all the other bearings should be easy enough.
Anglofsffrng@reddit
It's absolutely possible. It's a LS so theres tons of stuff out there to help. YouTube for sure, but also GM forums, and see if someone uploaded a service manual somewhere. Torque specs, tolerances, and specific procedures are mostly what you'll want. My suggestion is to tear it down methodically, take pictures and video, label everything, and don't throw anything away until it's back together. Make sure you're sending the heads to a machine shop, block as well if applicable, because you're almost definitely gonna need them flattened.
shotstraight@reddit
Not a LS.
Ironrogue@reddit
I did it with a ford....
TheCzechyChan@reddit
Theres all sorts youtube videos on everything you would need to do. Its the best way to gain experience
NickPivot@reddit
Everyone who has rebuilt an engine has rebuilt an engine with no experience; some go on and rebuild more
whyunoleave@reddit
Everyone starts with no experience. Get in there. That’s why it’s a project car and not a daily driver.
Building_Everything@reddit
Nope, you have to have tons of experience doing something for the first time in your life, that’s capitalism baby!
66NickS@reddit
Yep, definitely possible. Can’t be experienced without doing a job the first time.
How far are you going on the rebuild? Reseal and go? Top end? Complete overhaul with a 0.030” over and fresh crosshatching? Regular cast internals? Forged bottom end? High-lift cam?
All those questions will determine how much you need to do. Maybe you’re going to port match the heads to the intake? Maybe you’re just going to buy a top-end kit? Maybe you’re going to a 383 stroker crank? High compression pistons for power? Normal compression for regular pump gas usability? Low compression for boost later?
Dieselpump510@reddit
This guy has amazing content on YouTube for our Gen 2 LT1s. Ellwein Engines.
https://youtu.be/-ZrPxdxqaJw?si=JNY9GOs_CGXFhQ-N
JimmytheFab@reddit
You can definitely rebuild without experience. Just watch videos.
LandCruiser76@reddit
I built my first engine, a lawnmower with zero experience in high school, just finished doing a full rebuild on a SBC at 28y/o (a decade later). If your are detail oriented, can follow instructions (torque specs), and patient you should be able to do it. Am I mechanically inclined, yes, did I literally watch a video of 2 8-year-olds in princess dresses building a motor to learn how, also yes. Also if its a cheap motor, who cares, its a learning experience. :)
kograkthestrong@reddit
YouTube, a maintenance manual and some beer got me through my first engine swap.
BoxxBodySprings@reddit
anything's possible, getting the torque specs correct is going to be a challenge without the necessary ligature.This could also mean having to send the block and heads out to be reworks as if the block or heads are wrapped, all you hard work would have to be done again.