The hidden costs of trucking nobody talks about.. just my 2 cents
Posted by ValorVetsInsurance1@reddit | Truckers | View on Reddit | 75 comments
I used to run the miles myself before I moved over into the insurance side of the industry, so I’ve seen this from both angles. When you’re in the driver’s seat, everybody hypes the checks and the gross pay. What nobody really warns you about is how fast the bleed eats it all up. Fuel feels like you’re working just to feed the pump. Insurance…especially if you’ve got your own authority is a straight-up gut punch, running twelve to twenty grand a year for one truck if you’re new. Add factoring taking their slice, repairs hitting at the worst time, DOT filings and fees, and brokers sitting on your money for thirty days, and suddenly that “good week” doesn’t look so good anymore.
From the insurance side, I can tell you a lot of these costs aren’t just made up numbers…lawsuits, rising repair costs, and stricter compliance rules keep pushing premiums higher. But from the driver’s side, it feels like you’re carrying the whole weight of the system on your back while everyone else takes a cut. That’s why so many new guys get crushed in their first year.
If you’re jumping in, don’t just focus on the gross pay the load board flashes at you. Focus on what’s left after the bleed. The drivers who make it long term are the ones who treat this like a business from day one instead of just a driving job. Just throwing my two cents out there based on what I’ve seen . Stay safe out there yall 🫡
truckerslife411@reddit
It is good to hear a reality check from the other side once in a while. I know I tried for 1.5 years and gave up. Went back to being a company driver, made a lot more with benefits.
RoseKlingel@reddit
This is why I'm a company driver. A guy I know claims O/O is the way to go. A few years into his own authority, and he's back to being a company driver. Brags about his big weekly checks. Conveniently forgot that he talked shit on company positions prior. 🙄
He couldn't keep his few trucks out of the shop and he couldn't keep drivers in the seats for the pay and hometime he was offering. He wanted everyone teaming and staying out at least 3wks, when the trucks were breaking down constantly.
I'm sure O/O does work out for some but it ain't for everybody.
SecretProof485@reddit
When I was with TMC last year we had 2 guys come in the experienced group one was an O/O who was getting out of owning and the other was one of his employees coming to TMC with him. Both were from TX and he said the rates were killing him
RoseKlingel@reddit
100%. Idk what it would take to turn the rates around but being O/O may not be a better option anymore. I have heard of people speaking of golden years with pay but it always sounds like a completely bygone era.
PenniesByTheMile@reddit
The cynical side of me wagers that’s likely by design. Push the rates down, run out all the o/o, then the megas rule the roost and can even further dictate the rates.
When I started 10 years ago every owner op I talked to pushed me to get my own authority. Just over the 2 years I was cutting my teeth with a mega I watched them start pushing against owner op and just finding a better company. Now, other than a few I talk to that have an extremely strong business mindset, all push for company positions.
It’s obviously more complex than just “megas driving down rates”, but I imagine they’re a big part and continuing to push for more of the pie.
SecretProof485@reddit
The O/O I work for per truck his break even is around $5k each week, and that's running flatbed
Tricky_Big_8774@reddit
Nobody seems willing to acknowledge that part of the reason o/o get more money is because they are doing the work of all those people in the office at a company.
JusticeSaga0001010@reddit
I'm divorced so I literally do everything myself but some o/o even have their wives to do all the accounting/admin shit and they basically just drive and take the doggos for walks.
Thepopethroway@reddit
I like that you said this and didn't even consider that this is a huge problem
skeletons_asshole@reddit
One of my favorite things about being a company driver is that when one of the lobes on the camshaft got bored of where it was living and moved into the oil filter, all I had to do was move straight into another truck and leave that one behind forever.
spyder7723@reddit
For an actual business man and not a truck driver that bought a truck, a broken camshaft is hardly more than an annoyance. If you are running your business right then that's just a few days vacation while you get your truck fixed. Arrange everything at the shop of your choice, then fly home or wherever you want to take a vacation at.
Its the fly by night guys that can never put a plan together that these things become major catastrophes.
Thepopethroway@reddit
There's lots of them ITT. And judging by how reddit is generally higher IQ than the general population, that is concerning.
spyder7723@reddit
I don't believe that is true at all. I see a lot more stupid people here than in the world. But then again I'm not exposed to as many people in the real world. I mainly interact with my employees and customers. In my personal life outside of my family and my church my interactions are with my kids teachers and short encounters at grocery stores.
Thepopethroway@reddit
Short encounters at the grocery store don't reveal a person's psyche. On a forum like this you'll see their true thoughts on display.
And if you want to see what real world people are thinking? Take a look at Facebook, lmao
spyder7723@reddit
Facebook is no different. Social media turns postponed brain into mush. Doesn't matter if it's Facebook or reddit.
skeletons_asshole@reddit
You’re right, but my point is, at the moment I’m pretty happy to let someone else worry about all that.
DenseCommunication82@reddit
My wife & I are team company drivers making nearly a quarter million/year working 3.5 days/week. We've no interest in the headaches of O/O life.
Kaethor@reddit
I wish I could tolerate another human being enough to team with them. The benefits of a truck rolling 24/7, in theory, are tremendous.
DenseCommunication82@reddit
We love it. Our secret is that we leave each other alone while on the road. One person drives, the other is in the sleeper with the curtain closed. We had the maintenance shop remove our passenger seat for the extra room.
XiangJiang@reddit
Extra room for what? Who hangs out in the passenger area without the passenger seat? Unless you meant extra room for storage.
Kaethor@reddit
I have 1 friend that I would even consider being able to team with. The only problem is I am a chain smoker and he doesn't like the smell.
DenseCommunication82@reddit
Yeah, my wife said if we're gonna together, I gotta quit smoking. I did.
Kaethor@reddit
Hell ya, I don't have the desire or willpower to quit myself, but I'm happy you could!
Solid_Yak9109@reddit
11 seconds per smoke reduces your life by
MyOwnChemicalRomance@reddit
Ok Yoda.
AccomplishedHour8399@reddit
How? Where?
DenseCommunication82@reddit
XPO
Jacktheforkie@reddit
I’m not too bothered about fuel costs etc, I’m just paid to safely deliver stuff, boss pays for the expenses
Thepopethroway@reddit
I hook the trailer. I drive the truck. I drop the shit off. I refuel. I go home. That's LTL life.
Why the fuck would I sign up for infinitely more stress when I will "break even" as some people ITT are saying. "Break even" means working for free.
Jacktheforkie@reddit
Yeah
Dords805@reddit
I also do trucking insurance and the legal climate is insane right now and it’s only going to get worse unless change happens.
Here is a perfect real world example. I had a 10 unit trucker that hauled flatbed commodities locally in a large metro area.
Nice little account, only had one single claim with $20k paid out over the course of 5 years. At $10k per truck for insurance, the insurance company banked a nice $500k in premium over 5 years. One afternoon a driver bumped into a car in front of him in stop and go traffic, caused about $500 in property damage to the car that was maybe worth a new bumper or at least a re-spray at a bodyshop, nothing crazy.
The driver of this car called a billboard attorney and immediately went out and to start getting surgery’s on his neck and back, complete fraud. A year later that little fender bender insurance claim ballooned up to $500k and undid 5 years of perfect driving for this company.
There current insurance carrier dropped them and all new carriers wanted $15-20k a truck. They closed their doors a few months later with 10 drivers having to go out and get new jobs.
Thepopethroway@reddit
Being a Con Artist is the truest American profession
Glittering_Map5003@reddit
Running a business ain’t for everybody
Expert_Cherry3791@reddit
True, i was talking to an owner op at a truck stop the other week, he asked how much I averaged a week being a company driver. I explained my take home pay also included family insurance, taxes, and 401k contributions. He got pissed bc he was taking home a lot less while running his own authority, ranting and raving about how the rates are horrible and he should be making more than “just a company driver”. Look, we all do the same job. Move freight from one place, to another. If you think you’re getting paid less than you’re worth, fight to get paid more. If you’re an O/O, demand better rates. Show why you are worth the extra pay. If not, well… don’t know what to tell ya.
Thepopethroway@reddit
I have co-workers with their own trucks sitting at home because they make more as company drivers.
spyder7723@reddit
That's another oo that doesn't have a single customer and only gets his load from public load boards. For 3 decades I've been showing these guys how that is not a long term viable business plan.
ConstructionLeast765@reddit
Did he told you how much he gross per week?
opinionated_penguin@reddit
I mean if mid size carriers can barely keep up with the rates that megas are offering, I can only imagine what a one man show has to put up with. Sure you’ll get those unicorn runs that the big boys can’t service for whatever reason but those might be few and far between.
spyder7723@reddit
It isn't the mega driving rates down. That's been a myth for decades. And this is easily confirmed with just a couple minutes of research on your part.
All trucking companies have to declare their annual mileage and number of trucks on the form mcs150. Look up their dot number on saferstat and you will find these numbers.
Next since the majority of mega carriers are public companies you can see their annual earnings.
Some basic math will show you they don't haul cheap freight.
The people hauling cheap freight are all the small companies that can't get solid consistent work so they use brokers for everything.
opinionated_penguin@reddit
You’re telling me scalability has zero effect on rates
spyder7723@reddit
I'm telling you that the large companies charge more for their services. And you can find out their average rate per mile with just a few minutes of research.
Yes scalability allows them to have a higher profit margin than a small guy. But it's not the megas taking broker loads for 2 bucks a mile.
Robjla@reddit
Make 7 spend 6. Is my life.
TriStateAmoeba@reddit
....Wait, drivers pay for their own gas???
T-rucker89@reddit
If you buy gas you won’t be getting very far
Kaethor@reddit
Might be fun to watch though
T-rucker89@reddit
When DEF first came out there was a rumor going around that putting it in the diesel tank would help fuel efficiency. The number of drivers who tried it was to damn high.
Kaethor@reddit
Why am I not surprised?
No_Professional_4508@reddit
Yep. Same ones that drank the bleach
Expert_Cherry3791@reddit
Usually if you don’t put the fuel in the truck, you certainly won’t go very far.
Nero-Danteson@reddit
Not all. If you own and operate your own truck it's just like you'd own any other vehicle, not going to get anywhere without fuel. Only difference is it can cost upwards of 500$ to fill up.
I talked with an O/O and he runs on a 20%/5% rule. Every load he gets 20% goes into a business account for fuel, maintenance, insurance, legal, permits, taxes. 5% is put back for emergency or if he takes a big block of time off. The rest is his to do what he wants.
Tricky_Big_8774@reddit
Where are you getting fuel that it only cost $500 to fill up? Share your secrets!
Nero-Danteson@reddit
°(Oklahoma)
Professional-Win5670@reddit
I got 168 gallons a couple weeks ago in Tulsa. $621 and some change. I don’t know what it is in other places (I’m a local driver and they only let us fill up at Pilot/Flying J) but I about had a stroke when I saw the number, even WITH a company card
Nero-Danteson@reddit
TA I'm OKC. Granted it was like 500 and something or other and I wasn't super empty. Company truck so go off their fuel plan.
Professional-Win5670@reddit
Gotcha. I usually try and fill up a day or two before I go on a longer run, that way I know I’ll have plenty of fuel to get home on. Longer runs for me are usually to Dallas area
mvamv@reddit
Not all trucks are specced with 100+ gal tanks on each side.
Tricky_Big_8774@reddit
I thought of this later.
lothingandfear@reddit
He is talking about owner operators. It does take a lot of management to pull profits from what the shippers give you per load. A lot of people just dont understand how to manage the money. They see 10k in their bank account and want to believe that the money will keep coming in and when it comes time to pay the cost of running the truck they only have 3k in the bank cuz they got a duramax and went on a strip club bender with their boys instead of paying the insurance on time and filling up on diesel
Financial-Prize9691@reddit
I pay myself the same pay I give my 2 other drivers + 10% and the rest goes into my company account. If I didn't do that I would have had to go back to being a company driver. The only reason that being an O/O makes sense for the amount of work I actually do is because there are legal tax strategies to minimize my AGI.
lothingandfear@reddit
This is what most people dont do. You gotta put the business first
Financial-Prize9691@reddit
I did 5 years of research before I went O/O and I was surprised how many operators didn't know what their fixed and variable costs were.
aliveonlyinfantasies@reddit
Yeah I wouldn’t enter this industry to become an O/O. No thanks.
ValorVetsInsurance1@reddit (OP)
Bingo 🎯
fleetingreturns1111@reddit
Hell I couldn't even cut it as a company driver. Having to live in another state for two weeks and being forced to share a room with a smelly crackhead that I couldn't even understand was tough enough for me.
way_2_5pecific@reddit
Great advice. Thank you
Inner_View1095@reddit
18 months in with my own mc I have yet to see any profit as an owner operator, breaking even so far but I see the light at the end of the tunnel ! Wait a second that’s the dot officer pulling me away! Anyway it gets better stick around they say so I am waiting for better days.
King0Horse@reddit
Sometimes it's the end of the tunnel, sometimes that light is a train coming the other direction. I hope it's the former for you.
For me, maintenance was the issue. I can drive anything. Absolutely anything. Flat tire(s), bad brakes, alternator gone, hub seal literally on fire, trailer sidewinding, fifth wheel won't slide, overweight, trailer lights are as reliable as a Shaq free-throw, whatever, fuck you, I'll get it where it's going.
But fix it?
If you've got a headlight out, I'm your guy. If you have anything beyond that, I've got numbers saved in my phone of guys who can do that. Hell they can fix anything.
But me? lol it's broken, I can tell you when it's broken, what specific driving conditions cause it to be nonfunctional, what I'm doing to work around it. But fix it? Bitch, please.
If you can diagnose and fix a problem in route, you can be a wildly successful O/O. If not, you can be a useful company driver.
I'm a very useful company driver.
Neowynd101262@reddit
Sounds horrible.
Financial-Prize9691@reddit
The goal is to make as little profit on paper as possible to lower your tax burden. With legitimate business owner tax options and write offs, my tax expenses are about $12,000 a year less than if I made the same money as a company driver. Even the years I was running at a deficit, I made about the same as when I was a company driver after taxes.
Financial-Prize9691@reddit
I technically lost money for the first two years of my MC because of startup and equipment costs. The light is there, it's just farther away than we thought, stay strong.
MacandMandy69@reddit
I own 14 Tractor’s, and I concur this to be the absolute truth. I have eleven truck’s contracted to a worldwide package delivery service, two to heavy haul, and one car hauler. The costs are astronomical, and then comes the hidden cost’s that will blindside you every time you think you’re going to have a good payday. I pay my driver’s well, because as a driver myself, I know what they’re going through. For anyone wanting to give trucking a try, find something else to do. Learn a trade at a trade school, learn computers, anything is better than driving them damned old trucks. Thank me later.
rytram99@reddit
I dont think it pays well to be an O/O running dryvan or reefers.
If you are gonna be an O/O id assume you would want to get in good with heavy eq or hazmat like fuel or other dangerous chems. Maybe even haul spent rods for the gov. Those id assume are big paying loads. Its about making more money for less work and dryvan/reefer is likely the least expensive commodities to be hauling. So why haul that as an O/O?
easymacmac85@reddit
Foreigners and a specific ethnic group that holds stacks and wads of cash to their ear like a telephone always associate trucking with being rich and living a lavish lifestyle. Especially if they're an owner owner operator and brags about gross amount numbers
SaltAndBitter@reddit
Until I see formulae and source documentation, all numbers are made up numbers.
TheQueensGuardian@reddit
Which numbers would you like sources and documentation for? I’m sure I can dig up something… at the very least, give news articles, averages, government websites, ect