The traffic here is broken lol. There is a 500m stretch that we almost always have to cross that takes at least 14 minutes, and over 20-30 min in peak hours.

That + high AC use due to the extreme heat and humidity is the culprit in our theory.

rahim770@reddit

Nah i believe you unlike the others, my 3.0 bmw gets better gas mileage than my rsx type s did, hondas overrate their gas mileage

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Lawineer@reddit

There’s something with it or you drive when you’re extremely sexually frustrated.

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kraken_enrager@reddit

Mostly it’s driven by a chauffeur, and therefore it’s fairly sedate driving, although traffic here is absolutely insane, which is the reason probably.

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muchgreaterthanG_O_D@reddit

I feel like if we made a venn diagram of people with chauffeurs and people with accords, there wouldn't be much overlap.

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kraken_enrager@reddit

Accord was like a 60k USD car when we bought it. Before being discontinued in my country, it was well over 100k USD.

diamondpredator@reddit

Sorry I meant to say I got the same mileage in my RX8 stock as he did while towing a camper with his V10.

That

Epic. Thank you for the info. The kit cars if done completely correct, cost more than just buying a Lamborghini in the end anyways

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Bonerchill@reddit

There is no correct way to turn a Fiero into a Diablo.

The Fiero has far superior ergonomics.

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throwawaycasun4997@reddit

A brief chime in from someone who used to do these conversions. You had to cut the Fiero in half, right behind the firewall, then stretch it 13”.

We had a hookup to get the Lamborghini lights and badges, and on the fixed-headlight models you just used 300ZX headlights (that’s all Lamborghini did, just with a little blackout along the top over the “NISSAN MOTOR CORP” lettering).

Comptech made the wheels, and they’re expensive! Although it wasn’t at all like the OEM setup, we’d use a steering column & combo switch out of a 3rd gen Supra, which allowed tilting and telescoping of the steering wheel, and provided familiar controls for the wipers and headlights.

Worse than the Ranger I replaced it with.

peakdecline@reddit

It's a literal brick that's raised off the ground. Everything about the design is bad for MPG.

IrlArizonaBoi@reddit

Yeah the Turbo engines don't get great real world mileage a lot of the time. I had a wrangler with the turbo 4 and it got 15mpg. Worse than the 5th gen 4runner which has a 4.0l V6 and yes the make the same power.

Once the turbo spools they chug gas.

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thiccancer@reddit

Yep, absolutely.

People say that a turbo improves fuel economy, which can be true at very low power and rpm, but once you start making power that goes straight out of the window.

What does a turbo do? It stuffs more air in the engine. Why would you want more air in the engine? To burn more fuel. What do you get when you burn more fuel? ...Worse fuel economy. And more power, of course.

In the end, a turbo is effectively a displacement multiplier. If you have a 1.5l engine but you feed it air at 2x ambient pressure, you effectively have as much air+fuel in it as a 3l engine, so you can make the power of a 3l engine.

The reason it can be efficient is because at low/no boost it can still functionally be a 1.5l, albeit with more exhaust restriction.

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Carmanmij@reddit

Yeah, start and stop driving like that can tank the economy. I have a manual GTI and it gets awesome mileage on long highway trips but in the short trip city driving I normally do, it's like in the low to mid 20s. A heavy brick shaped object with a slightly larger four banger would make sense to get a little less.

Unrelated, how do you like the manual in the bronco?

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unique_ptr@reddit

I love the manual! It's really easy to drive, and plenty of fun for a big fat heavy truck, much to my surprise. I'm coming off a manual Ecoboost Mustang, and a manual Fiesta ST before that, so it's quite a change in terms of the driving dynamics I'm used to but it still feels really nice rowing your own in something this size. The Badlands with the manual has a higher final drive ratio than the manual version of the lower trims, so that helps it feel a little more peppy I think as well as trying to offset the extra weight of the steel underbody plates etc.

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Skensis@reddit

Yup! My M2 has the same tank as the 2 series, which sucks when you get like 70% of the mpgs.

250 miles is like average, 300 if I'm doing lot of highway.

200 if I'm having some fun... Less if I'm having lots.

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DrZedex@reddit

As a grc owner...yeah can confirm 300 miles isn't enough for me.

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notbuttkrabs@reddit

For reference my 92 FJ80 would get around 240/250 miles out of a tank. The only redeeming factor was that it was so damn slow, driving that far took all damn day and you didnt feel like you were constantly filling up.

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TurboSalsa@reddit

That is abysmal, but a lot of idling time in the carpool line might explain that.

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iHaveLotsofCats94@reddit

My dad had a 2005 F250 with a 5.4L up until about 2019. It got the same gas mileage as that Lexus. Crazy that a 20 year old crew cab Super Duty with an underpowered 5.4 has the same efficiency as a brand new Lexus

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SuprKidd@reddit

Holy shit! That's remarkably inefficient in a 2025

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johnnys_hotpockets@reddit

1GR 4runner. For its size, it makes power like a 4 cylinder but drinks like a v8. I've never gotten better than 14L/100km in town and highway mileage isn't much better at 13L/100km.

Granted, 4runners aren't really meant for city driving and the highways in BC are often lengthy stints up 8% grades... it's been reliable though.

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LstCrzyOne@reddit

Laughes in Escalade

2003 ESV, 6000lbs of 11.5mpg, premium fuel goodness.

If I get on the highway I might even get 15!

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BamaCoastie2211@reddit

2011 Mustang Shelby GT500 SVT Convertible. 11 mpg city average. When you stomped on it, you could watch the tach go up & the fuel gauge go down. Very fun.

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CloudsTasteGeometric@reddit

My 1989 Lincoln Continental guzzled gas like a drunkard. 11MPG at best around town. A bit better on the highway but not much.

You’d think that by this generation it would have been a bit less of a crude guzzling land yacht, but nah. Other than the digital dash it felt just as 1969 as it did 1989.

Sorry, the Toyota equus had 400hp? wtf did they put in that thing?

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BeigeChocobo@reddit

Honestly more recent Hyundai and Kia models also seem to get pretty poor gas mileage. I had a 2017 Sportage and that thing somehow used a ton of fuel.

Sort of… a torque converter is a kind of CVT in itself, just a really inefficient CVT.

The transmission had a normal planetary gear set like most any other traditional automatic but it stayed locked in direct drive 1:1 “high” gear configuration and the torque multiplication of the torque converter (3:1 in this case) took care of what the lower gears in a normal transmission provide.

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tiagojpg@reddit

That’s interesting, thanks. So having such a high final drive could make it go at really low RPM at highway speeds right? I can’t imagine going up hills and steep mountain roads in that thing.

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r_golan_trevize@reddit

This video might help: https://youtu.be/leCEmJA0WsI

A 3 speed manual transmission of the time might have gear ratios of 3:1 in first, 2:1 in second and 1:1 in third. A torque converter with a 3:1 torque multiplication ratio covers that whole range but instead of metal gears, it squishy liquid and it’s continuous depending on engine RPM, road speed and load. At full throttle from a standstill, the torque converter is acting like a 3:1 first gear, at light throttle cruising at speed on level ground, it’s acting like a 1:1 top gear, if you goose the throttle, engine RPMs go up and torque multiplication goes up and it acts like you have an infinity variable second gear.

4.0L 5spd XJ, lifted, 33s, 4.10s gets 13.5 no matter how I drive it. Like a grandpa or gas pedal as an on/off switch, city or highway makes no difference.

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velociraptorfarmer@reddit

Jesus...

My lifted Frontier on 33s with 3.69 gears gets 16 city/19 highway (highway being cruise set at 80 mph).

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Raalf@reddit

Mines not even lifted and has stock tire size and I get 11-13

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TurboSalsa@reddit

When I first hand-calculated my fuel economy it came out to 11 and change for mostly city driving. Mine is also stock and I actually thought something must be wrong with it but nope, that's just how they are.

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Raalf@reddit

Nah. It is a simple engine that has dirt-cheap parts, easy as hell to maintain, no timing chains or finicky wear parts (besides the CPS - a $20 part!), and lasts 250k miles easily.

Frankly I'd still prefer it over the plastic bullshit they replaced it with since then - the elegance of simplicity is appreciated with age.

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fiddlythingsATX@reddit

My ‘01 TJ sport (4.0L, 3spd auto), completely stock, barely got 11. Yeah the gearing didn’t help but a damn 3 speed auto in 2001?!

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MechaCatzilla@reddit

I was looking for this. Also in soflo, I couldn’t even drive up to palm beach and back on a full tank without filling up (~120 mile round trip).

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diamondpredator@reddit

2005 RX8

I got 8-9mpg at best in the city. 12-13 at best on the highway.

For those that don't know, this is from a 1.3L rotary engine barely pushing 200hp to the crank.

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Skensis@reddit

Rotarys.

Torque of a I4, power of a V6, milage of a V8!

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diamondpredator@reddit

The V8's I've owned have literally gotten better mileage. My current 5.7L in my LX570 gets slightly better gas mileage and it's a 6k lb full sized SUV with off-road tires.

Almost every vehicle I've ever owned averaged around 16.5 mpg, other than the short-lived Altima coupe with a CVT, but who wants that in their life?

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Zrepsilon@reddit

Came here to say this.

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velociraptorfarmer@reddit

Yep. Had an 07 G35xS. The combination of a powerful engine that loved to rev, a close ratio 5 speed automatic, and a stupidly short final drive meant that she liked fuel. Got 17 city/23 highway.

Cruising down the interstate at 75mph at 3000rpm with the engine pre-wound up made highway passing and pulls a blast though.

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KidCasperr@reddit

The evo x, I would get around 8mph city and 12mpg highway

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TheDirtDude117@reddit

SRT-10 RAM Single Cab manual with a cam, headers, injectors, and all...

It got 8mpg average.

rugbyj@reddit

They are truly bad cars. In the US

Endd your sentence there. I live in the UK and there's plenty of love for it because the folks driving are never getting above 60mph and largely pottering around towns/cities.

The EV version though was shocking. My colleague owned one and in our mild winters the battery made a ~30 mile commute a genuine concern.

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aaaantoine@reddit

Former long time Smart car owner here.

It's a love or hate vehicle. Originally I was going to suggest it's a halo car but that would imply it's an aspirational purchase.

But what I'm trying to say is, there's a certain class of vehicle that you see on the road and say, "who in their right mind would drive that shit?" Me. I'm the guy. I knew it was ridiculous in a lot of ways but it was cheap and it was exactly as much car as I needed.

After almost 10 years the transmission died. To replace it I bought something a little bigger with a couple more seats. Much more practical in every way. The Smart is decidedly less a car and more a street legal go kart.

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tiagojpg@reddit

The new Twingo is the way to go. You can get the 1.0L 3cyl or the electric, best of both worlds to chose from.

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DarthBrooks69420@reddit

Hayabusa engine swap might make it fun.

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jawsofthearmy@reddit

Hear me out

I remember when C&d first reviewed a US model. It happened to be the same month (or very nearly) as the US spec Elise.

The Elise was better in every objective measure, including mpg haha. Basically the same msrp.

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r_golan_trevize@reddit

The Smart Car’s raison d'etre was maneuvering and parking in cramped cities, not economy. In the US, they’re dumb cars anywhere outside of some east coast city downtown where the streets were laid in the 1600s.

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czarfalcon@reddit

Yeah, I saw a ton of those (and other equally small cars) in Rome, but it makes perfect sense there. Those streets made a RAV4 feel big.

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bolivar-shagnasty@reddit

The V10 Ford Excursion advertised 10MPG on the highway.

I have averaged 7.3mpg over the 3,500 miles I have put on my 1969.

City miles, short gears.

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Allaroundlost@reddit

Jeep Commander or Dodge Viper.

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StunGod@reddit

I had 2 contenders. A 1994 Grand Cherokee V8 that got 15 MPG combined and the shocker: 2005 Audi A4 convertible V6 that ran about 14 MPG. Hell, I had a '68 Plymouth Fury with a 440 swap that got 18.

Had a 90 F250, and extended cab, 8 foot bed, 4WD, automatic, 351 V8.

Thing got 8 mpg whether loaded or not.

q0vneob@reddit

Had the 4.0 in my old Ranger and that thing was real thirsty. No lift or ATs or mods on it and it still only got like 12/15 mpg. For a truck called "Ranger" it had surprisingly poor range.

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TG690@reddit

Yeah, my first car was a 2005 Explorer Sport Trac that got 14mpg no matter what, and it was 2wd. I then thought it would be cool to lift that 2wd half-truck and got 12mpg.

ZeroWashu@reddit

Based on the bitching my friend did in the early 2000s... his RX-8. He drove it like a loon and didn't want to do otherwise but boy he would bitch about the gas mileage. He had a couple of tanks he claimed were down around 14 mpg.

rotratda@reddit

2004 Matrix XRS 1.8L I4 2ZZ engine

I've heard countless stories of diesel truck owners getting 8-9mpg factory, and then getting 18-27mpg after deleting all the emissions equipment. Tell me which is greener....

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Adjective_Noun1312@reddit

Depends how we're quantifying it. No emissions system, less CO2 which is better for global warming but high NOx and SO2 which cause smog and acid rain, and the soot is carcinogenic. Or keep the emissions stuff, better for smog and acid rain and cancer but burns more fuel which increases the carbon footprint.

IrlArizonaBoi@reddit

LC80 land cruiser gets like 11mpg

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thisisinput@reddit

I used to have a 2000 Nissan Frontier with a 3.3 V6 making 170hp and mated to a 5spd manual. I might be able to eek 17mpg out of it on the highway if I was lucky.

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Drazlash@reddit

I used to have a EB mustang, driving like an old man in the city got me 20 mpg, I gave up and started using more the gas and got 19 mpg lol.

Now I have a miata and I'm constantly revving it out getting 28mpg.

Looking at this thread seems like Fords 4 cyls are not too economical? Haha.

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TitrationGod@reddit

2011 Genesis Coupe 2.0t.

54L/100km = 4.34 mpg

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freddurstsnurstburst@reddit

Surprisingly shitty for a 323 actually. I would've expected maybe 7l/100km at most. But hey, it's a cheap 90s shitbox with a lot of charm. My father had the 323f with the turbo BP engine for a while. Thing was an absolute demon. Turbo hatchback with pop-up headlights. Fuel economy was actually decent from what I know. Same engine as the NA MX-5 but with a turbine slapped on. Reliable as hell.

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unjuseabble@reddit

It is horrendously shitty. Ive had Opels with around the same specs and they use some 6-7L/100km, so I got good reference to know something is propably up with the Mazda. The 323 I got has been pretty neglegted and low key continues to be... Shes gonna need some patching for next MOT inspection.

I had two serious gas guzzlers, both from the 70s. My worst was a 1976 Dodge Powerwagon. It would get 9 mpg in the city and about 12 on the highway, up to 55 mph that is. After 55, the mileage started dipping and if you could get it to 70, it would be around 8 mpg.

My second was a 1974 Ford LTD with a 460 ci V8. It was amazing how little power this thing had. But it sure did suck the gas!

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Uzi_Jesus_@reddit

78 GMC sierra heavy half. Chewed through tanks like it needed the big boba straw.

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LiLGhettoSmurf@reddit

Worst vehicle I knew was my Dad's early 2000s Dodge Ram with the 5.9 V8, easily low teens in gas mileage. My current vehicle, M550 can get 26 mpg on the highway but if I'm hooning it in town I can watch the gas level drop in real time.

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bullet50000@reddit

I had a 1996 Isuzu Trooper that I wanted to just have a Colorado Winter car. The 14mpg it got put an end to that REAL Fast though. I thought a V6 couldn't be that bad and I was VERY wrong

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Gotta be the quadcab ram SRT10. That Viper engine is a blast but pairing it with an auto for the 4 door version truck means even heavier than the single cab and dog shit auto and the worst mpg of any of the Viper engine'd vehicles.

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BobMARLEY3265@reddit

How much is it in l/km ?

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54ltyonion@reddit

1998 Chevy K2500 Suburban with the 454 big block. I get 10-12mpg. But it does have a 44 gal tank

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armada127@reddit

lol my 2021 4Runner gets 15 city/18 highway

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go-speed-racer@reddit

My Dad’s 1966 Dodge Monaco got 8 mpg around town in the 80s. V8, not sure what size it was, but man it was a gas hog. Land yacht for sure.

Ok, no worries

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OPA73@reddit

They need an overdrive in the manual.

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masterventris@reddit

The GR Yaris is remarkably awful.

It is Yaris sized, and it has a 1.6l 3 cylinder turbo, which is peak eco car. Sure, it can output 270bhp but it doesnt do that at partial throttle when cruising.

You are lucky to average 20mpg US.

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I had a 2011 Suburban 2500 with a 6.0L gas motor. We were lucky if it hit 15 MPG on the interstate.

We pulled our 5 ton bumper pull camper to the Black Hills one year.... I would stop at every truck stop to fill back up because we were getting about 5 MPG. I could watch the fuel gauge start to drop about 20 miles after I topped it off.

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w3stvirginia@reddit

‘98 to ‘11 Ford Ranger 4x4 with the 4.0. How something that small manages to get 16mpg or less with a heavy foot, I’ll never figure out.

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C_W_H@reddit

My '77 Mini Winnebago. When it was empty it got about 12 mpg.

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funnyfarm299@reddit

My 09 GLI struggled to get anything over 28 MPG. Doesn't matter whether it was city driving, highway driving, or the freeway. Sixth gear was cut hilariously low and I would always end up cruising at 3,000 RPM.

Jef_Wheaton@reddit

I drive a Chevy 3500 box van for work. It gets 9.3 MPG.

It's a 2018.

For a vehicle that new, it should get better mileage, but it doesn't have a bulkhead on the front of the box, so it's like driving with an upended kitchen table on your roof.

It also handles badly, and it SQUEAKS. CONSTANTLY.

It just got a new transmission last week, so Im stuck with it for the forseeable future.

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Pyrochazm@reddit

1990 toyota 4runner, I saw maybe 18 on the freeway., 15 overall.

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km9v@reddit

I had a '77 Lincoln with a 460 ci engine that got 7 MPG on average.

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Equana@reddit

1999 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban with 4:10 gears and the 7.4 liter V8. 11.5 mpg highway, 9 mpg around town.

Can someone explain why American cars are so inefficient? I know UK MPG and US MPG are different but in the UK most people drive fairly efficient smallish cars. Something generic like a 2019 Golf Estate with a 1.5 engine for example gets 47 UK MPG (~39 US MPG).

Do cars like this even exist in America? I don't think I have ever seen an American talk about their cars MPG and say anything more than about 20.

Considering how much of a talking point gas prices are in your politics I dont understand why you all choose to drive cars that get 12 MPG.

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Efficient_Gap4785@reddit

I went from a 2013 Jeep Wrangler to a 2008 Saab 9-3 Turbo X SportCombi. It’s hilarious to think I went from a suv notorious for bad fuel economy to a station wagon that ended up being worst, and that’s not even accounting for it needing premium fuel.

The new Colorado ZR2 gets worse mileage than a full size truck...

I average about 15-16 mpg. It's insane.

My hot rod gets about 9.5 mpg.

Not the worst fuel economy 0n earth but toyota trucks get bad mpg which always amuses me. They are known for good fuel economy in their sedans and crossovers but the tacomas, tundras and 4runners are weak at best.

My 16 tacoma has a v6 and a manual. It gets about 16-18mpg, makes 270hp and weighs 4200 pounds. Compare that to say my friends silverado rst with 6.2L, 420hp and weighs 5400lbs. He gets the same fuel economy. 2 more cylinders, 150hp and 1000lbs more. Cmon toyota, you can do better. The new turbo 4 cyl hybrid isnt a gamechanger either. Fuelly shows .5mpg increase over 6 cyl.

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Lawineer@reddit

It’s a constant battle between my ct5V bw (that sees the least high way miles) and my 2500hd diesel (almost all highway miles) to see who gets second place in the stable. First place goes to the viper at a lifetime 8.8mph lol

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FraShe27@reddit

Recently got a 2019 Toyota Highlander, I thought my 20-22mpg was bad… this thread makes me feel better. Lmao

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tykempster@reddit

I get like 7-10mpg in town with my blown viper. Highway mid teens if you’re easy on it.

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su1ac0@reddit

rented jeep wrangler 4xe

My shitbox 2013 Chrysler 300s gets 12mpg average. AWD with the 5.7 hemi and a lead foot.

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TheBepisCompany@reddit

I had a 1993 F350 Flatbed (first gen turbo diesel) many years ago that got 9 whole MPG.

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Impressive-Shame-525@reddit

I had a 1971 Ford Torino 429 SCJ.

We swapped the intake and put on a six pack, three Holly 2 barrel carbs.

It was so bad it took gas from cars we passed. It was negative fuel mileage.

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acog@reddit

I had a first year Hellcat.

If I drove it aggressively I got around 8mpg.

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Brown_Samurai@reddit

2011 ctsv 6.2 l I'm getting 17.6 mpg

That is all Highway got it 2 months ago.

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REM223@reddit

My Tundra gets around 14mpg no matter what. Loaded vs unloaded, lead foot vs featherlight. Greatest truck I’ve owned though.

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My 2004 Rx-8 manual was avg about 12 mpg. You also needed to bring that rotary up to full redline to keep the ignition coils clean of carbon build up.

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BrashHarbor@reddit

I just got done renting a 3.3T G70 for a couple weeks, and even trying to baby it, it used more fuel than my 4wd 5.0 F150 used to.

Best I ever saw across a tank was 23mpg, and that was holding 65mph while dropping ~2,000ft in elevation.

burrgerwolf@reddit

My dad’s 84 F150 gets 7-8 no matter how you drive it. At 70mph it’s just a giant brick.

Same thing with my old 98 5.2 Grand Cherokee, it got 14 mpg no matter what you did. Even downhill.

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