Yeah, they really goofed up with the name. Not sure who approved dEliCioUs iN dUnGeon. Probably some boomer production manager who doesn't watch the shows they greenlight.
As far as I can tell he had the same problem Peter Dinklage had?
Prozd mentions prioritize(some say demand/only but I can't find him saying that anywhere) casting of VAs of the same ethnicity as the character. Fair. And then when he voiced a white character got dragged for it.
It’s more complicated than that. POC voice actors get shafted in favour of white ones, so a lot of voice actors, white and non-white, argue that they should at least be able to secure roles of their own race (which they can be trusted to do authentically).
Yep keyword prioritize. Cause in case you forgot many things in the USA white is seen as the "default". Including but not limited to voice acting. So yeah If they make a thing that involves X culture I'd like them to prioritize hiring from that culture first and moving on if they don't work.
Why? I don't think having brown skin actually affects your vocal performance. Hire a Chinese woman for all I care if she does the best voice for it, what are we even doing? Who cares?
That people should be able to voice characters that represent them? That white VAs have been the norm and so a little extra love and care should go to PoC VAs so they have a leg up on getting roles representing them or their culture.
Racial discrimination is still racial discrimination. And it's never about Japanese actors voicing the overwhelming number of Japanese characters either - funny that.
I agree with this in principle, but there’s some characters that should probably be voiced by someone from the cultural group of the character if possible, if for no other reason than to avoid swinging too far the other way and doing something like VA blackface.
Yeah I think if you’re being super charitable you could argue that he’s just advocating for more representation in the VA space, not necessarily that you have to be the race of the character you’re voicing
He advocated for people with dwarfism to be more widely cast instead of type casted for "short" roles.
(Eg: playing the handsome prince instead of the woodland fae friend.)
And people took that as "Peter doesn't want dwarfs to play dwarves lol! More roles for him."
The problem is, while maybe his intent is good… it will still unintentionally influence people to not cast dwarfs in fantasy dwarf roles at all, which is gonna screw over people in an already limited pool of job options. Something that won’t effect him because he has huge name recognition.
He didn't say that at all. He said that Disney casting dwarfs for the seven dwarfs is discrimination because in his mind he's the only dwarf that should be cast in dwarf roles.
He advocated against roles specifically relating to dwarfism, which were the roles he got his break in the industry with (i.e. Tyrion Lannister) and got Disney to ultimately replace 7 dwarf actors with CGI. So yeah he is a hypocrite who pulled up the ladder after himself.
I get what he wanted to say, I really do. But corporations are stupid and they busted out CG dwarves to not pay actual actors with dwarfism.
Then again the big movie with that as an issue was the Snow White remake and perhaps said little people actors had their careers saved by losing that job. So maybe Peter actually did nothing wrong.
When Disney was starting to film the new Show White, he said that casting dwarves in roles that highlight their dwarfism was bad. As a result, Disney instead decided to use mocap actors and CGI to do the seven dwarves, effectively nuking the careers of the actors they had already chosen. He got a lot of shit for this, especially from actors with dwarfism who found themselves out of work.
Isn’t the majority white? Isn’t there only one majority unless there’s two groups that have equal percentage above everyone else? In the US and Europe is the majority not white? Is there an example of a non-white majority in those places?
Well yes. That is the logical conclusion if we apply the "white people shouldn't voice minorities" rule to everyone. Because if we don't, this would be a system where some people get treated better or worse based upon their ethnicity. Of only there was a name for that.
Because minorities are historically been excluded from opportunities based on their race? There's a context to this, it's not like both groups has the same opportunities and treatments in the first place.
So you think that hundreds of years of minorities being treated worse than the majority should be made up with an equally long time period of minorities getting treated better than the majority/white people getting treated worse than minorities? Instead of, you know, treating everyone equally?
I'm not talking about hundreds years back. I'm just talk about in this industry. Minorities actors are already being excluded from white characters; there are far less minority characters than white characters; then people complain when white actors taking minorities roles. What's wrong with that?
It's disingenuous to pretend there aren't heaps and heaps of Asian or ambiguous "we put asian and white traits together" characters in the VA industry because guess what, A LOT OF MEDIA IS FROM ASIA
Where guess what? Asians aren't a minority.
Regardless of what the UK thinks being a minority in your own land isn't how it should be
He said something like that people from X place should voice characters inspired/from said place. He was not happy about getting your average asian character just because he was born in Asia, he's korean but companies offered him to voice chinese characters just because he's asian, and then you have to consider he moved early in his life to the US.
He was also dissapointed that the industry started hiring regular actors instead of voice actors just because of fame.
The internet took it as so you want only whites to voice white people, instead of him saying that he wanted more job opportunities to less known non white VAs.
He said that race-based casting is bad actually, literally the exact opposite of what is being claimed and believed without question by every giant dumbass cunt in this thread
Because this sub is full of a bunch of alt-right regards who believe the white race is under systemic attack. They eat this story up because it’s framed as political correctness backfiring.
I think they refer to the games of thrones actor speaking against people with dwarfism intrrpreting dwarves in the disney movie because of objectification at the same time he has played several roles just due to the same condition
That’s the entire reason he’s advocating for this. If minorities can’t get roles, they should at least be allowed to play characters of their own race.
His complaint was that he often gets relegated to Asian roles or roles.
He had a second complaint that if he's going to be relegated to such roles then it's unfair that white actors get to also take some of the few roles he's allowed to have access to.
I haven't heard about him talking about this, but it could be like a "casual" complaint. I have heard pakistani/indian actors or actors with pakistani/indian heritage complain that they almost only get roles that fit their ethnicity. They are happy for the work, but wish they got "normal" roles. Something not based on looks. In the same way some actors don't want to be typecast, but are happy they are getting work.
It’s also hella racist to cast any Asian as an Asian role. For example let’s say the VA is Japanese but the character they are voicing is Korean. Should he keep the job since he’s Asian but not Korean or should he lose the job since he is Asian BUT is not Korean.
Maybe it is only based on looks. Often "white" roles are given to anyone that look white even if their nationality don't match. A lot of english and americans playing european roles or europeans playing other europeans.
So you have to kinda look like who you are portraying. Which makes me wonder who they should get to voice animals, monsters and aliens.
Which is funny, because the main voice actor for Kratos since the very first game in the series has always been Christopher Judge (Teal'c from SG1), a black man.
Christopher judge has only been the voice actor for the norse saga the original VA was Terrence Conner Carson who is also black, doesn't change your point just thought I'd quibble
Oh damn, to be fair it has been nearly 10 years since I finished God of War 3, so in my head I just didn't have his original voice. I just pulled up a video on YouTube and it clearly is a different voice actor.
When I first played I thought the departure was too much, came to like judge's interpretation of an older Kratos way more by the end of the second though
Asian often see themselves as "allies of the BiPoC", because the narrative pushes them this way and it's easy virtue. The reality though, is that asians are basically white, minus the judeo christian heritage.
They have the same history of struggle and industry as we do and they never depend on society helping them for much. That's not a very good "struggle-politics" allies.
Light skin Asians (as chiese, Korean and Japanese) don't have a lot of negative ethnic stereotypes in the west, at least compared to the other minorities
Okay so explain how there are multiple ethnic slurs to multiple Asian nations. Explain why some people see Indians as doctors and others we them as dirty uncivilized people. Explain how Chinese have been treated similarly to Mexicans as taking away American jobs etc etc etc
Chinese and Koreans (especially Chinese) have ton of negative stereotypes in the West lmao are you joking? Japan is usually the opposite by romanizing Japanese culture and people when foreigners know jack shit.
I agree there is a stereotype for every culture and for even closer groups like pan-Arab or pan-Asians. Easy pan-Asian stereotype would be East Asians are all high achievers or terrible drivers. I'm Asian myself born in a Western country. I didn't receive much racism but in general I can say there are tons of stereotypes. Did you also just memory-hole the days of stop Asian hate and the knockout game days when people primarily assaulted Asians who were perceived Chinese because of the covid?
I'll say that Asians are more visible than other European minorities for obvious reasons. I think Indians receive massive amounts of racist jokes more than East and SE Asians. Don't have to explain about Middle Easterners. I think that discrimination against darker skin color (colorism) exists and in that regard East Asians do receive less, doesn't mean there are less negative stereotypes.
Sounds like you're talking about how Asians were often referred to as "the model minority" in western society back in the 50's and 60's. This was done specifically to try and put down other minorities, not to actually credit Asians or praise them. It also has its negative effects for Asian people as well, such as raising the expectations of them to be higher than not only other minorities, but white people as well. One example is if you're an Asian student who isn't very good at math, it wasn't enough to just leave it at that. You basically get looked at like you're not really Asian or you get asked "how can you be bad at math when you're Asian" by other kids or more likely "aren't Asians supposed to be good at math". That kind of thinking ends up doing a lot of harm.
Not saying thats what you were saying, since you were commenting on stereotypes rather than reinforcing any, but it just relates to your comment.
You're getting swarmed by redditors, but you're right. Asians, despite many adversities, continue to fluorish in general like whites and that makes them problematic for how they should be considered by the agenda. They are more likely to have high IQs and strong family values, which invalidates them from most special treatment as a minority. The hive/botters really hate people pointing that out for some reason.
It's odd, while they have stronger family values they have much weaker interpersonal values. I mean fuck, you talk to people who've visited India and like 60% can tell you of a dead body people just walked around. Chinese have a similar reaction, though you hear about that less because they have cleaners who'll clean the corpses quickly.
Which part pissed you off, the part about asian being on par with whites in terms of "privilege", or the part about their history being a carbon copy of ours, except much less religious?
Check what happened to #stopasianhate. It was fine when they thought it was white on asian, then they looked at the data... it died right there. I won't spoil the data for you.
Oh there's a lot to unpack about what pissed me off, but the gist of it was the idea that both "white" and "asian" people are a hegemony, and that you're implying some kind of racial superiority on behalf of both.
Oh, wow, this post is a masterclass in tripping over your own bigotry and face-planting into a pile of nonsense.
Let's unpack this gem: you're out here claiming Asians are "basically white" because... they work hard and don't "depend on society"? Yikes, that's not just a swing and a miss, it's like you threw the bat into the stands and hit yourself."
First off, the idea that Asians (or any group) are "basically" anything else is the kind of lazy, paint-by-numbers stereotyping that proves you're more committed to your fantasy world than reality.
Asians, like every other group, have diverse histories, cultures, and experiences that don't neatly slot into your sad little "white but not quite" box.
The "Judeo-Christian heritage" line? Pure gibberish, last I checked, hard work and resilience aren't copyrighted by any one religion or race."
And let's talk about this "struggle-politics" drivel.
You're mad Asians don't fit your weird victimhood checklist, so you just... erase their struggles?
Tell that to the Chinese laborers who built the railroads under brutal conditions, or the Japanese Americans interned during WWII, or the Southeast Asian refugees who rebuilt lives from nothing.
You're not just wrong "you're embarrassing yourself by pretending those histories don't exist."
The saddest part? You're so desperate to gatekeep "struggle" and "virtue" that you're out here whining about allies while propping up a worldview that's been debunked by anyone with a shred of empathy or a Wi-Fi connection.
Maybe instead of typing unhinged manifestos, try reading something that isn't just an echo of your own biases. You're not clever for this, you're just loud and wrong.
Do you know what I just can't figure out? Who is it quoting? Like seriously it has a whole bit about throwing a bat into the stands and then it somehow hitting themselves, all within quote marks, but like who said that?
And then randomly there's quotation marks left at the end of some paragraphs that don't even correlate to any sign of a quote being started within that paragraph.
That's not even a common mistake that chatGPT would make, so I just really can't stop wondering WTF happened on the pathway of this absolute gem being formed. Not even kidding, when I started reading it, I thought it was the next big copypasta
Do you know what I just can't figure out? Who is it quoting? Like seriously it has a whole bit about throwing a bat into the stands and then it somehow hitting themselves, all within quote marks, but like who said that?
And then randomly there's quotation marks left at the end of some paragraphs that don't even correlate to any sign of a quote being started within that paragraph.
That's not even a common mistake that chatGPT would make, so I just really can't stop wondering WTF happened on the pathway of this absolute gem being formed. Not even kidding, when I started reading it, I thought it was the next big copypasta
I think what you’re trying to get at is that Asians are often treated differently from other BIPOC groups, especially in how they’re stereotyped in media and politics. That’s true - but saying they’re “basically white” is both lazy and bound to be misinterpreted in ways that completely derail your point. It also doesn’t mean solidarity is worthless; it just means conversations about race need to account for those differences instead of pretending all struggles look identical.
Besides what does one do if I want to have a character that's of a such small group, if I can't find them a character do I just make them mute? 😂 Or if it's some group that's wiped from existence, it doesn't make a gram of sense. If I can get a let's say Swedish VA for a character that'd be amazing, if not best to do is to find someone who can mimic the acent or speak Swedish.
Such flawed logic it's good that it got torn apart. What's next men can only voice men and women can only voice women characters?
Except it doesn't. Calm the fuck down. You are so quick to jizz your pants with glee in order to shit talk somebody over something you're not even familiar with.
You got any source for this besides that one image circulating around quoting him that was taken out of a speech where he says "I like it when companies cast authentic" voice actors which at no point indicated he wants everyone to only voice their own race
I’ve seen people bring this whole thing up multiple times on Reddit, and almost every single time, nobody posts any actual evidence except the interview where he doesn’t make much of a deal about it and basically just says he likes it when actors are cast with similarities in mind. If I remember right, his main criticism was that minorities keep getting passed over for roles matching their own ethnicity because they aren’t putting on enough of a stereotyped voice. So like an African American actor not sounding “black enough”, so they cast someone else… or an Asian actor being asked to sound more like an Asian stereotype, and so on.
The moment that seemed to set him off the worst was getting passed over for the role of a Korean character, even though he is Korean, for not sounding Korean enough… then they ended up going with a white dude putting on a Korean accent. I’m not super familiar with the whole situation, so someone else more familiar can correct me if I’m wrong… but the voice acting field is still pretty heavily dominated by white actors, and a lot of non-white roles are passing over actors of the same ethnicity as the character just because directors/creators would rather get a stereotype accent. Which, sure, it makes sense to have a voice in mind for your animated character, and some people just fit the voice better… but like, to pass over someone of the same ethnicity as your character because you think you know their accent better than them? I can see why some actors get frustrated with the whole thing.
SungWon/ProZD may have expressed his statement in a weirdly worded way, but his message seems pretty reasonable. But it’s Reddit, and Reddit LOVES tearing things down. Whether there is legitimate reason or not, Reddit will take a small thing out of context, then turn it into full on hate.
Still stupid. When hiring a Voice Actor, I'm hiring them to act a voice, not talk like themselves. If you can't sound the way I want, you're not getting the job. VA is a role that is 100% about the sound and has absolutely nothing to do in any regard with any other aspect of the person. Doesn't matter what race you are - either you can or can't embody the character
The argument pretty clearly isn’t with not being able to do a voice, ProZD is pretty well known for having such a good range of voices that most people don’t even realize characters are him til someone tells them. The problem though is directors WANTING stereotypes, not characters.
A voice can make or break a character, but if a stereotyped voice is the key determining aspect of a character so much so that you’re unwilling to tone down the accent to be more respectful, then the character is simply made TO BE the stereotype.
For example, say we make up our own character real quick… we have a tall, muscular black man from Detroit. Already, we can see the edges of a stereotype forming, but obviously it’ll come down to the casting and how they play it. We bring in Cuba Gooding Jr who is an incredible actor, more than right for the role, he learns that southwest Michigan accent nearly perfectly and is all set… then the director goes “eh, you just don’t sound black enough”, instead hires a white actor who’s willing to put on the stereotypical Detroit black accent… never mind that said stereotypical accent is hardly anything like how anyone actually speaks around Detroit (lived in Michigan my entire life, movies portray how people there speak in the most ridiculous ways 90% of the time that’s borderline offensive usually). In this scenario, the director doesn’t want an authentic character, they want that stereotype…
THATS what ProZD/SungWon is talking about. It’s not “hey, I should have this role no matter whether I’m willing to do the right voice or not”, cause he always puts on great voices and has never had an issue there. His argument wasn’t even “give someone else these stereotype roles, they are offensive to us”. His argument has been against these kinds of roles even existing to begin with, and being so prominent when casting actors.
Okay, but it's my character and I want him to sound how I want him to sound. If he needs a thick, almost stereotypical accent, then if a white guy can do it better than you, then he's getting the job. Likewise, if I want an absurdly stereotypical German or British accent and a white guy can't do it, but a black guy or Asian guy can, then of course they'd get the job.
Look at Lee Jung-jae in The Acolyte. He learned English for this role and his accent is thick as hell and would be to you a stereotype. If I want my Korean character to sound like that, and you a Korean American can't do that voice, then sorry, you're not getting the job.
That’s not the same thing, you’re kind of arguing a totally different argument. An Asian actor having an Asian accent isn’t a stereotype, that’s just having an accent. If the character gets an accent from having an actor of that ethnicity, that’s just part of the role. The problematic stereotype issue would be like if the role is a Jackie Chan type character, and Jackie Chan offers to play the role, they instead ask Seth Rogan to just do a stereotypical Chinese accent…
The Star Wars character, Sol, is a terrible example to support what you’re arguing because it goes completely against your argument. The role was not created for a stereotypical Korean accent, the character was born on Coruscant, Korea isn’t even a thing in Star Wars. He just happened to be the actor they wanted, the accent had nothing to do with the role. Which is what I’m arguing… if a role is built AROUND the character having a stereotypical voice, then it’s a problematic character. Sure, these characters can exist in comedy, or historical movies and whatnot… but the problem isn’t the accent, it’s passing over authenticity for a parody and passing it off as “that’s the character”.
Let’s think of Sol again, great character, one of the best parts of the show… would you still have revered the character the same if they passed over Lee Jung-Jae and instead casted Ralph Fiennes doing a heavy Korean accent? Ralph is a ridiculously good actor, one of the best of our time… but what is more authentic and what is a stereotype? Lee Jung-Jae speaking in his own accent, or Ralph Fiennes putting on a heavy Korean accent?
My point is what if I want my character to have a thick accent and you, a Korean American, can't replicate that accent, but a white guy can? Maybe my Korean character is a first-generation immigrant or he just doesn't know English well. If you, the Korean American, are offended that I am asking you to do this, and you want to voice the character your way, then I have no reason to hire you as you are both not giving me what I want and stomping on my vision of my character.
If Ralph learns the Korean accent and can replicate it well, then does it matter if he voices a Korean character? VA work is supposed to be can you do it. Accents can be learned. People do it all the time for other accents like German, Britain, French, etc.
If you can find an Asian actor that can do it and have the budget, then sure. But why can't a white guy that is already voicing 3 other characters for you also voice this character to save on costs and simplify logistics, so you don't need to coordinate with more actors for scenes?
This happens all the time when minor celebrities share an opinion and are blamed when companies do something similar to, but unlikely because of, said opinion. I don’t think this dude saying one thing in an interview once changed hiring practices across the board
Reddit is pretty calm compared to the shitshow that is twitter. Most people are able to recognize the "proof" being shared is a random college with made-up context. The issue is reddit is not a centralized reply chain like twitter so their bullshit is easily called out.
People startrd sharing him quitting voice acting now, or like saying "how dare you voice a white guy" despite none of the characters in the show that they definitely heard before today has their races/backgrounds confirmed. (Hell the character is most likely a robot) which already proves that people are not actually following what is going on or prior context, they just wanna bully someone because they have nothing better to do with their lives
His biggest gig was him in God of War Ragnarok voicing a talking squirrel alongside Christopher Judge, a Black man, voicing Kratos. What the fuck is his problem
The morally correct solution. Lots of hard-working squirrel voice actors having trouble finding work, and lazy game development studios just go and hire the first human they think of, smh.
So far people have only been able to show me one interview where he was directly asked about it, I have no idea where this "major advocate" stuff is coming from.
people are fucking drunk on identity politics. everyone needs to be placed in a neat box and it makes the sell easier if you make everyone you oppose into a one dimensional caricature of a real person.
Major advocate for only having characters voiced by people with same skin color/ethnic background (i.e. Only an Indian can voice Apu, only black person can voice Cleveland, etc)
Is there an actual source for this? Been seeing this claim get some pushback lately...
I believe that he’s right if the character’s skin color/ethnic background is crucial to their characterization. For example, I think Commissioner Gordon from Batman could be voiced by anyone but Miles Morales should be voiced by a black person (preferably a Mixed Black/Latino, but at least black).
Major advocate for only having characters voiced by people with same skin color/ethnic background (i.e. Only an Indian can voice Apu, only black person can voice Cleveland, etc)
Ok but where did he actually say this? Closest I've seen is him saying he likes when voice actors are casted "authentically." Seems like a massive stretch to me.
To note this he made this advocacy right after getting rejected for an Asian role and finding out the person who won the role was white.
As someone else pointed out, he also previously made complaints about only being cast for Asian roles, so he just ended advocating for a “rules for thee but not for me” moment
I'm not sure if this helps because I couldn't find much else about it, but I saw an interview with prozd from doubletoasted, and the context of live action casting was brought up. Not voice acting, just live action. That's pretty much all I could find on the subject, so there definitely could be more.
Where are you even getting this "sole target" rhetoric from? Don't you even know how bots work? They'll target anyone who says anything flagged as negative about him, because his ego is fragile and his dick is small
Bro, all you've been doing is insulting him without providing any real reasons to. All your insults are surface level too. Where did you expect to make anyone think you're not just being a piece of shit for the sake of being a piece of shit? Lmao
You didn't answer the damn question. If people wanted to start an internetsearch and watch episodes of some show with SWC/ProZD in it to see why it was bad, they wouldn't have fucking asked in this thread.
"A Villain and Their Real Estate Agent Tour Volcano Lairs"
The episode is about as good as many of the others. ProZD is funny in it and so are Caitlin Reilly and Brian David Gilbert. There are many clips from the episode on youtube if you don't have dropout
At some point he said something along the line of "it would be nice if production tried to get ppl from a similar ethnicity to the character being voiced, instead of mostly white ppl"
productions then decided to try only cast ppl for characters of their ethnicity (and got white people when they couldn't, making the whole thing worse)
and now they're framing him as "the guy who ruined voice acting for minorities", trying to make him look like peter dinklage (who killed the career of a lot of ppl with dwarfism by saying "it's offensive to cast them as fantasy dwarfs" even though it represented a big part of the roles they were cast to play)
Daniel Dae Kim had a great interview on this actually, TL:DW; ethnic specific casting is important when the ethnicity (and culture of that ethnicity) is integral to the character themself, but not always strictly necessary depending on how the character is written. Like always, there's nuance and layers to it it's not black and white. Hollywood is trying to overcorrect rn
I feel like it is so crazy to come to any other conclusion, but even the smallest bit of nuance seems hard for the population at large - and large organizations and affiliations like corporations and Hollywood at large are no different.
What Peter Dinklage actually said was that it’s offensive to typecast people with Dwarfism by only making roles as fantasy dwarves available to them.
The point he was trying to get across was that he wants to see more people with dwarfism in normal roles of regular characters in regular stories to normalize the condition, not limit it to something you only see in fantasy.
The issue is 90% of cases it just seems odd to have a dwarf playing a normal person role, like even Peter only has like two or three rolls that aren't dwarf aligned...
Movies only have a limited amount of roles and themes. Additionally movies have to be independent and stand on their own.
This means you can't just randomly cast roles based on population statistics. Instead roles are cast deterministically starting with the most common population groups. (This is not a strict rule but looking at the average of many movies should be roughly true) At some point all roles are assigned. Because of this minorities below a certain size will never get a role (or much rarer than their proportion would suggest)
His role in the new Dexter show is fuckin amazing, I haven't seen Peter in anything apart from Marvel (I know I'm uncultured) but man his acting was crazy good, not once did I think about it being off or odd that he was playing a role basically anyone could've.
If any average person can take the role it would actually make sense to put someone with dwarfism in there. Why not.
Up until recently his most non dwarf role was playing the asshole in an Adam Sandler movie, pixels specifically. He got famous for playing the dwarf in game of thrones, and then he's kind of pulled up the ladder behind himself by making Hollywood ashamed to stereotype dwarfs
You’re conflating dwarf with fantasy dwarf - Dinklage said he wants characters with dwarfism to be more common in regular media as opposed to being restricted to fantasy dwarf roles
Ohhhhhh that makes more sense. I still think the comedian had the better sorta jab at that.
"I went to a job interview for Christmas commercial, they said I had to bring an elf costume from home... Like I mean I had one but still." (Paraphrased https://youtube.com/shorts/YE4Vay3iqKY?si=yOV0QeoeuMlG_aTd )
Huh?? I've listened to Peter's whole spiel in context and I didn't get ANY of this from what he said. This is the first time I'm hearing this spin. It sounded pretty obvious that he was bitching about actors with dwarfism being cast as the seven dwarves in Snow White. Like, he was personally offended by the prospect of dwarves being cast as fantasy dwarves. He by no means made it clear that "he wants to see more people in regular stories to normalize the condition" as you put it. If that's what he was trying to convey, he did it very, very poorly. In fact, Peter's comments were so poorly received that other dwarf actors, (Brad Williams, Wee Man, and Dylan Post to name a few) interpreted it exactly how Disney did and they were upset that they were now losing acting jobs because of those comments.
It might not be Make Some Noise, I haven't seen his episode(s?) but he has a cameo in a Game Changer episode where he plays the YouTuber whose tutorial the players must watch to figure out how to fix a contraption that belongs to Sam. The contraption is a crime against creation, something like a mechanical spider with a half-articulated silicon human mouth on the front. It really is horrendous.
Wasn't Game Changers that one (if not the last) Dan Schneider show about children making iPhone games in 2017? Also it had Kel from Keenan and Kel and that was its only noteworthy attribute?
Nope. Game Changer is a game show focused more on comedy than actual competitiveness.
It's on Dropout TV (previously CollegeHumor), hosted by Sam Reich, featuring the CH cast and some guests here and there (usually all comedians)
The premise is being the only game show where the game changes every show (fully original never before seen most times, but there have been games like simon says)
It's one of my favorite shows ever. Extremely funny and really worth a watch (and if you find one episode boring, just skip to the next for a totally different game)
I think Henry Danger ended up out living it as the last show in the Schenider verse. And they are both connected to the iCarly lore lmao shits like a soap opera
To steelman, it's exclusionary when the tiny proportion of minority roles (ethnic, LGBT etc) only ever get played by straight white people, denying people from those communities the opportunity. There are just so so many majority roles that it is impossible for majority actors to be edged out of them in the same way.
If there's e.g. 1 major movie character a year who's gay or Asian, then having them played by a cishet white person means someone from those communities never gets the chance, and marginalised groups are often portrayed insensitively (see: all the cishet men playing trans women). On the other hand, there's countless (thousands?) of straight, white roles in Western media, so actors of those demographics will simply never lose out every possibly opportunity in the same way.
ngl when your all-time list of 23 movies doesn't get to the year 2000 until we're 10 deep, and then that performance is one that won an Oscar, I don't really sympathize.
Also this like of reasoning seems awfull close to saying the actors aren't "passing," or something....
In any case, it sounds like you're saying "having trans person in the role is more important than anything else," and I disagree.
Do you not see the problem with having cis men (who have not undergone any of the biological changes from HRT that actual trans people do) be the only portrayals of trans women that most people see? Don't think that could contribute to the hostility and misconceptions about trans people that are being used to attack them all across the English-speaking world?
The argument boils down to this: White voice actors are overrepresented in the **AMERICAN** voice acting field, and have historically been given roles regardless of the character's race/culture; while nonwhite voice actors are often only given roles associated with their race, if roles at all. So when casting someone of a particular underrepresented background, you should look for voice actors from that same general background. Also I have some thoughts on the broader argument because, while I mostly agree with Sungwon, I still kind of disagree with him but I don't have to misrepresent him to do that.
For a very long time, minorities had a lot more trouble getting into both the acting and voice acting industry, and white people were frequently cast in roles that were deliberately written to be from a certain race/culture.
Hollywood and live action acting definitely caught up as things like blackface were shunned by broader society; but voice acting remained a very predominantly white field. You would see very few nonwhite people who could make it in the American voice acting industry, and many of those who could were already live action actors who had made connections in the industry.
This all kind of came to a head in the 2016-2020 era Black Lives Matter movement (because it's never what the protestors actually want, its always small symbolic victories instead), where there was a broader push for nonwhite voice actors to have the roles of characters from their race/culture. The argument being that white voice actors have more chances for roles as well as are more likely to be cast in the first place.
Now I don't know if I entirely agree with the argument; as while this has been going on there's been a broader push for diversity in storytelling; and that includes having more characters that need voice actors that have diverse backgrounds. Woke agenda or whatever. The point is that there is a lot more diversity in your average show/movie, which means that there's a lot more chances for people of color to get the roles they want, which means that I don't know if I agree with this argument. My take is that its fine for any person of any race to play any character, as long as there isn't an industry-wide trend that predominantly hurts nonwhite VAs. If there's a larger degree of acceptance and a larger amount of roles that nonwhite VAs are cast in, it just remains to be seen if the course has been corrected or if we got a few more breakout nonwhite voice actors and called it a day.
Feel free to point out where the error is in the first line of the green text.
Society in general doesn't like it when a white actor does blackface, but it's okay somehow if it's a voice? Also it's an additional massive leap to go from "a black actor should do this role of a black person" to "you can only play specifically Korean characters."
It’s a massive leap to say that somebody shouldn’t contradict themselves? Are you smoking crack? The dude said that characters should only be voiced by their real life races, with a history of voicing characters from other races. What about this hypocrisy makes sense to you?
Blackface is an act of displaying a racist caricature, voicing a perfectly normal character that happens to be black is not the same at all.
Also it's an additional massive leap to go from "a black actor should do this role of a black person" to "you can only play specifically Korean characters."
You're gonna have to walk us through your thought process here bud, because you got nothing to back this argument up so far
??? What's the actual point you're trying to make? Don't be like, "Durrr I don't need to explain", actually use your words and make a concise argument like an adult.
So I should assume your stance is that voice acting a black character is some kind of offensive blackface, but it doesn't matter if a Korean voices say, a Japanese person, because in your eyes all Asians are the same? Because if you refuse to elaborate that's all I can take from what little you've given.
Hey man, I asked you to explain your point mulitple times and you still aren't doing that so I don't really see what else I'm supposed to get from this whole conversation. Saying " Race and nationality are different things" is just being semantic so I figured you had something more than surface level to say but I guess not.
Hey man, I've explained myself multiple times despite you showing me nothing but willfull ignorance. I really don't know what you want from me. It's not semantics, this shit is just really not that complicated. I could tell you the sky is blue and you'd accuse me of semantics and probably ask for a source.
He didn't say anything like that, if you watch the clip you'll see that, it's a clip taken out of context and blown out of proportion because people love to have someone to yell at.
Kratos is a black dude, both Hero (purple variant) Ness and Lucas from Smash Bros are voiced by women, Apu from The Simpsons is voiced by a white guy. It's ACTING, you ACT the role you're given, saying that it should be race based is racist in and of itself.
Has anyone here done any voice acting before? Like this is a common view in the VO community.
Like, im a white man from U.S. with English Isles heritage, so it's in my "lane" to do any US "white" accents and U.K. accents. Essentially any "white" role, but probably would want to stay away from other European roles and characters. I would never audition let's say for an audiobook or character that has an "urban" accent. Or Jamaican. Or African. Or Asian.
Although if its an expansive audiobook with minor characters that is much more accepted and you do your best to portray it with as much authenticity as you can. This is normal.
I think the idea is that in an ideal world, if in the whole population of the USA there are:
- 20% Asians
- 20% African Americans
- 20% Hispanic
- 40% white people
Then there should be
- 20% Asian characters that need voice over
- 20% African American
- 20% Hispanic
- 40% white
And then population of voice actors get equal opportunity and jobs.
But in our world we, if we had that 20/20/20/40 split of ethnicities in our population, our split of character that need VO is 10/10/10/70. This means that for those 60 non-white VAs there is only 30 jobs available, meaning either they don't get to have a job or they voice white characters. In addition, it means that if the 40 white VAs start voicing some of the 30 non-white characters, the non-white VAs are being pushed out of their jobs even harder.
ProZD is saying we should try to get to that first ideal world, but due to there not being an equal amount of non-white characters relative to the real world population, VAs of color need to take on white characters if they want to keep their job/make a living, whereas white VAs do not need to take on non-white characters as they already have an abundance of options.
I think it has been factually proven that there are more white characters in mainstream tv/movies than would be expected for the actual population split. Its obviously WAY closer to reality than it was a decade ago but I'm pretty sure it's still not at real world parity.
You’re factually wrong. The amount of white characters in mainstream tv and movies is roughly 60 percent and the percentage population of white people in the USA is roughly 60 percent. It’s literally almost exactly what you see in the real population split.
I mean, as long as they’re not doing a literal caricature there’s nothing wrong with someone voicing a character of a different race. If it’s like, Alison Brie voicing a character who’s coming to terms with her Vietnamese identity, yeah, that’s a little inauthentic. But the Simpsons replacing Hank Azaria’s pretty iconic Carl voice with someone who’s literally just talking is pretty lame & very much just done for brownie points.
The people involved in Bojack Horseman have gone on to say “yeah, in retrospect, that was a little insensitive.” But the people working on the Simpsons didn’t want to have to actually address anything so they shoved one of their best developed side characters under the rug and made all of the black characters sound much, much worse.
the people who push these narratives must be insufferable. its crazy they dont have anything better to do than flatten some d-list celebrity. these are also probably the same people who complain about cancel culture and how "comedy is dead." all the time. fucking yawn.
We need a show where a lot of white people are voiced by black people and use a lot of AAVE slang and a stereotypical accent, and then one episode a black person shows up and their voice is the most white person in human history
Funny enough, The Boondocks has Ed Wuncler III voiced by Charlie Murphy and Gin Rummy voiced by Samuel L Jackson and the two of them just going off on tangents is the funniest shit ever.
It's like how they changed the voice actors for some characters in The Simpsons, as if Apu being voiced by an Indian makes the caricature shop owner more authentic or something. Thankfully they essentially just wrote him out of the show for the past 7 or so years. But hearing Dr Hibbert with a different voice is just weird.
AND THANK GOD THEY RECAST BUMBLEBEE MAN TO BE A REAL HISPANIC. RACISM HAS BEEN SOLVED.
Go on r/fancast. They seem to think they best guy for a role is one who happens to already look like the character.
He isn't though Pucci is voiced by a different Korean American VA. Pucci isn't black, he is white with a dark complexion. This comes up in his backstory I won't spoil.
I don't think that's true. Spoilers for JoJo Stone Ocean >!I thought Pucci was mixed black/Italian. His brother, who looks white, that he was separated from at birth, was lynched by the Klan when they found out he was he was part black and dating a white women (who was also his sister, neither The Klan or him knew that)!>
!IIRC the reason Weather was lynched is that they thought he was black because his adoptive father was black but he, pucci, and his sister are not in fact.!<
Understandable mix up, Yongyea is the voice actor and he also has a youtube channel under his name. The soy guy on this 4chan post is SungWon Cho and his channel is ProZD.
dilbert_gaming@reddit
Not what he said
Mirja-lol@reddit
The same guy who voiced Senshi, a dwarf from Dungeon Meshi
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
I refuse to watch a localisation that decided "Delicious in Dungeon" was a good title choice for Dungeon Meshi
Grimmrat@reddit
Dungeons & Dinners was right there too
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
God there were a billion other routes (People also get caught up with making a DnD reference even though the inspiration is Wizardry)
Dungeon Dining
Dungeon Delicacies
Dungeons and Gluttons
Dungeons, Dining, and Dragons
Or just... Dungeon Food. A direct translation, hints at the late game twist, and works fine lol
Fox_0@reddit
These names are also trash
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
Hey, at least they're not Engrish - which is a requirement I didn't know needed to be made clear
InquisitorMeow@reddit
Dungeon Cuisine.
Supershadow30@reddit
Dungeons and Gluttons is literally the french localization
Too bad the french VAs phoning in generic anime voices… Senshi sounds like a wheezy old man instead of a country dwarf, what a shame :(
IrumaMemesOnly@reddit
Yeah, they really goofed up with the name. Not sure who approved dEliCioUs iN dUnGeon. Probably some boomer production manager who doesn't watch the shows they greenlight.
FrazzleFlib@reddit
the dub itself is very good though tbf
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
I listened to a bit and Senshi and Marcielle were very off from how they're meant to sound
In fact, there's a weird thing in anime dubbing where there are like two voices women are allowed to use for them.
ChaosFountain@reddit
As far as I can tell he had the same problem Peter Dinklage had?
Prozd mentions prioritize(some say demand/only but I can't find him saying that anywhere) casting of VAs of the same ethnicity as the character. Fair. And then when he voiced a white character got dragged for it.
All in all its pretty dumb.
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
That's really not fair. It's voice acting, not skin acting. Pick whoever SOUNDS best, regardless of race.
Marik-X-Bakura@reddit
It’s more complicated than that. POC voice actors get shafted in favour of white ones, so a lot of voice actors, white and non-white, argue that they should at least be able to secure roles of their own race (which they can be trusted to do authentically).
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
I do not think thats true at all. Maybe in the early 90s. Maybe.
ChaosFountain@reddit
Yep keyword prioritize. Cause in case you forgot many things in the USA white is seen as the "default". Including but not limited to voice acting. So yeah If they make a thing that involves X culture I'd like them to prioritize hiring from that culture first and moving on if they don't work.
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
Why? I don't think having brown skin actually affects your vocal performance. Hire a Chinese woman for all I care if she does the best voice for it, what are we even doing? Who cares?
ChaosFountain@reddit
That people should be able to voice characters that represent them? That white VAs have been the norm and so a little extra love and care should go to PoC VAs so they have a leg up on getting roles representing them or their culture.
wpm@reddit
“A little racial discrimination is ok”
ExplodingAK@reddit
Ngl that's an absolutely crazy take away from what that guy said. Minority roles being played by minorities is still sort of an important thing.
wpm@reddit
No it isn’t.
See, I can make shit up too.
ExplodingAK@reddit
We just live in different worlds, when i made that comment I didn't even consider you wouldn't have ever thought about representation at all.
Count_Dongula@reddit
"As a treat."
ChaosFountain@reddit
I didn't say never give a job to the white man. I didn't say only PoC are allowed to have those roles.
Advocating for people who are being represented through a medium to be a priority, to be involved in it, is somehow racial discrimination?
Bunch of white folks hurt they might have to wait their turn to try for a role smh.
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
Racial discrimination is still racial discrimination. And it's never about Japanese actors voicing the overwhelming number of Japanese characters either - funny that.
No-Play2726@reddit
"As long as it's against whites"
SubstituteCS@reddit
I agree with this in principle, but there’s some characters that should probably be voiced by someone from the cultural group of the character if possible, if for no other reason than to avoid swinging too far the other way and doing something like VA blackface.
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
Well sure, but whichever side of the argument you take don’t be a hypocrite.
JohnnyXorron@reddit
Yeah I think if you’re being super charitable you could argue that he’s just advocating for more representation in the VA space, not necessarily that you have to be the race of the character you’re voicing
Supershadow30@reddit
It’s easy to misconstrue his argument and make it hyperbolic to fuel online discourse, so that’s what the average user does. :/
acart005@reddit
At least Peter had the decency to be a really, REALLY good actor.
He totally pulled a dick move, I won't deny it. But mf'er is damn good at his craft and I won't deny that either.
DragonFox27@reddit
What happened with Peter Dinklage? I'm out of the loop on this.
ChaosFountain@reddit
He advocated for people with dwarfism to be more widely cast instead of type casted for "short" roles. (Eg: playing the handsome prince instead of the woodland fae friend.)
And people took that as "Peter doesn't want dwarfs to play dwarves lol! More roles for him."
BGMDF8248@reddit
I think it's important to also mention the timing, the casting call for Snow White (yes, that can of worms) went out.
The casting wanted actors with dwarfism, Dinklage made a big fuzz about how offensive this was... that this was all people with dwarfism could get.
Disney took out the call, and decided to drop the 7 dwarves for 7 magical CGI creatures.
Actors with Dwarfism came out and called Dinklage "an entitled prick", "saboteur"... amongst other things.
ArCSelkie37@reddit
The problem is, while maybe his intent is good… it will still unintentionally influence people to not cast dwarfs in fantasy dwarf roles at all, which is gonna screw over people in an already limited pool of job options. Something that won’t effect him because he has huge name recognition.
No-Play2726@reddit
He didn't say that at all. He said that Disney casting dwarfs for the seven dwarfs is discrimination because in his mind he's the only dwarf that should be cast in dwarf roles.
ChaosFountain@reddit
I could find a bunch of people saying he said that. But I can't find anything by him. If you got a source I'm all ears
fruitymcfruitcake@reddit
https://youtu.be/WN1CjCMAk-s
LemonySniffit@reddit
He advocated against roles specifically relating to dwarfism, which were the roles he got his break in the industry with (i.e. Tyrion Lannister) and got Disney to ultimately replace 7 dwarf actors with CGI. So yeah he is a hypocrite who pulled up the ladder after himself.
acart005@reddit
I get what he wanted to say, I really do. But corporations are stupid and they busted out CG dwarves to not pay actual actors with dwarfism.
Then again the big movie with that as an issue was the Snow White remake and perhaps said little people actors had their careers saved by losing that job. So maybe Peter actually did nothing wrong.
glizzytwister@reddit
When Disney was starting to film the new Show White, he said that casting dwarves in roles that highlight their dwarfism was bad. As a result, Disney instead decided to use mocap actors and CGI to do the seven dwarves, effectively nuking the careers of the actors they had already chosen. He got a lot of shit for this, especially from actors with dwarfism who found themselves out of work.
No-Play2726@reddit
Nah he sucks.
TheCowboyIsAnIndian@reddit
no u
NixGnid@reddit
Ah yes, not wanting white people voicing minorities = minorities should only voicing minorities. <3
gcpizzle23@reddit
How is that not literally the same thing? If white people aren’t voicing minorities then who will? Non-white non-minorities?
Zeus1131@reddit
majorities
gcpizzle23@reddit
Isn’t the majority white? Isn’t there only one majority unless there’s two groups that have equal percentage above everyone else? In the US and Europe is the majority not white? Is there an example of a non-white majority in those places?
Zeus1131@reddit
you are putting way too much thought into a joke comment. but yes places like London are majority non-white. no not the countries as a whole
_TheBigF_@reddit
Well yes. That is the logical conclusion if we apply the "white people shouldn't voice minorities" rule to everyone. Because if we don't, this would be a system where some people get treated better or worse based upon their ethnicity. Of only there was a name for that.
NixGnid@reddit
Because minorities are historically been excluded from opportunities based on their race? There's a context to this, it's not like both groups has the same opportunities and treatments in the first place.
_TheBigF_@reddit
So you think that hundreds of years of minorities being treated worse than the majority should be made up with an equally long time period of minorities getting treated better than the majority/white people getting treated worse than minorities? Instead of, you know, treating everyone equally?
NixGnid@reddit
I'm not talking about hundreds years back. I'm just talk about in this industry. Minorities actors are already being excluded from white characters; there are far less minority characters than white characters; then people complain when white actors taking minorities roles. What's wrong with that?
passonthestar@reddit
It's disingenuous to pretend there aren't heaps and heaps of Asian or ambiguous "we put asian and white traits together" characters in the VA industry because guess what, A LOT OF MEDIA IS FROM ASIA
Where guess what? Asians aren't a minority.
Regardless of what the UK thinks being a minority in your own land isn't how it should be
NixGnid@reddit
Asian American voice actors should only voice medias from Asia?
ocajsuirotsap@reddit
No no you don't understand. They don't want equality, they just want to humiliate white people.
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
So its mask off and he's really just advocating that minorities get preferential treatment.... just cause?
Makedonski_Borec@reddit
Curious what this is need context
Reading_username@reddit
Pic rel is a voice actor, and YouTuber (ProZD).
Major advocate for only having characters voiced by people with same skin color.
Called out for later voicing characters of other skin colors and flamed enough he quit twitter.
Specific_Ad1457@reddit
Damm I liked some of his videos. Sad to learn this.
RealityMalady@reddit
It's literally not true though
Like seriously, what you were just told an this entire post is 100% false. I have no idea how people can so easily believe it
Sean-Benn_Must-die@reddit
whats the truth if i may ask
G4130@reddit
He said something like that people from X place should voice characters inspired/from said place. He was not happy about getting your average asian character just because he was born in Asia, he's korean but companies offered him to voice chinese characters just because he's asian, and then you have to consider he moved early in his life to the US.
He was also dissapointed that the industry started hiring regular actors instead of voice actors just because of fame.
The internet took it as so you want only whites to voice white people, instead of him saying that he wanted more job opportunities to less known non white VAs.
RealityMalady@reddit
He said that race-based casting is bad actually, literally the exact opposite of what is being claimed and believed without question by every giant dumbass cunt in this thread
youtocin@reddit
Because this sub is full of a bunch of alt-right regards who believe the white race is under systemic attack. They eat this story up because it’s framed as political correctness backfiring.
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
Yep, unsubbed and stopped watching his vids after I found out a few years ago
Even_Ad113@reddit
sees a 5% uptick in offers for a couple years... now he eats cum whenever a weeb serves him lunch.
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
What?
-Danksouls-@reddit
We all make mistakes
-King_Slacker@reddit
Didn't he also complain about only getting Asian characters to voice instead of white and Asian, which only made the hypocrisy worse?
g2420hd@reddit
He tried the Tyrion method but failed to execute
kylerittenhouse1833@reddit
Whats the tyrion method
G4130@reddit
I think they refer to the games of thrones actor speaking against people with dwarfism intrrpreting dwarves in the disney movie because of objectification at the same time he has played several roles just due to the same condition
Marik-X-Bakura@reddit
That’s the entire reason he’s advocating for this. If minorities can’t get roles, they should at least be allowed to play characters of their own race.
Jwkaoc@reddit
His complaint was that he often gets relegated to Asian roles or roles.
He had a second complaint that if he's going to be relegated to such roles then it's unfair that white actors get to also take some of the few roles he's allowed to have access to.
ABHOR_pod@reddit
I think he complained about being told to "Do Asian Voice"
HansChrst1@reddit
I haven't heard about him talking about this, but it could be like a "casual" complaint. I have heard pakistani/indian actors or actors with pakistani/indian heritage complain that they almost only get roles that fit their ethnicity. They are happy for the work, but wish they got "normal" roles. Something not based on looks. In the same way some actors don't want to be typecast, but are happy they are getting work.
pad2016@reddit
This is what I remember too, nothing about him only getting cast as Asian characters.
austin101123@reddit
Is he asian or mixed?
wpm@reddit
We’ll need a genetic sample to decide what percentage of the roles he takes can be for Asian characters and for whatever else he is.
Oooh, sorry, you can’t take this role for an Asian character, you’re 2% Ashkenazi Jewish, you need to hit quota first.
Ekillaa22@reddit
It’s also hella racist to cast any Asian as an Asian role. For example let’s say the VA is Japanese but the character they are voicing is Korean. Should he keep the job since he’s Asian but not Korean or should he lose the job since he is Asian BUT is not Korean.
HansChrst1@reddit
Maybe it is only based on looks. Often "white" roles are given to anyone that look white even if their nationality don't match. A lot of english and americans playing european roles or europeans playing other europeans.
So you have to kinda look like who you are portraying. Which makes me wonder who they should get to voice animals, monsters and aliens.
Nexii801@reddit
The obvious end result of this braindead mentality.
kaninkanon@reddit
Then he can only voice mixed characters
rokomotto@reddit
Doesn't he literally voice a whole bunch of different characters though? Like not just Asian ones. He even voices that robot from BL3.
Idk much about it, I just remember hearing from a video about how this whole thing was a giant comprehension challenge gone wrong for the internet.
tristothecristo@reddit
Isn't he Ratatoskr in god of war????
Lone-Frequency@reddit
Which is funny, because the main voice actor for Kratos since the very first game in the series has always been Christopher Judge (Teal'c from SG1), a black man.
CapitalistCommymommy@reddit
Christopher judge has only been the voice actor for the norse saga the original VA was Terrence Conner Carson who is also black, doesn't change your point just thought I'd quibble
Lone-Frequency@reddit
Oh damn, to be fair it has been nearly 10 years since I finished God of War 3, so in my head I just didn't have his original voice. I just pulled up a video on YouTube and it clearly is a different voice actor.
CapitalistCommymommy@reddit
When I first played I thought the departure was too much, came to like judge's interpretation of an older Kratos way more by the end of the second though
shiny_xnaut@reddit
They should've gotten a real squirrel to voice him, smh my head
arbiter12@reddit
Asian often see themselves as "allies of the BiPoC", because the narrative pushes them this way and it's easy virtue. The reality though, is that asians are basically white, minus the judeo christian heritage.
They have the same history of struggle and industry as we do and they never depend on society helping them for much. That's not a very good "struggle-politics" allies.
AbyssWankerArtorias@reddit
Uh, no, Asians are not basically white.
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
Light skin Asians (as chiese, Korean and Japanese) don't have a lot of negative ethnic stereotypes in the west, at least compared to the other minorities
Hellkitedrak@reddit
Dog you’re literally doing the model minority stereotype
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
Yes.
I'm literally describing the fact that that stereotype exists.
I will wear the downvotes with pride lol
Hellkitedrak@reddit
Okay so explain how there are multiple ethnic slurs to multiple Asian nations. Explain why some people see Indians as doctors and others we them as dirty uncivilized people. Explain how Chinese have been treated similarly to Mexicans as taking away American jobs etc etc etc
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
Uhm
Ehm
Man, I hate to have a brain sometimes
FoxyMiira@reddit
Chinese and Koreans (especially Chinese) have ton of negative stereotypes in the West lmao are you joking? Japan is usually the opposite by romanizing Japanese culture and people when foreigners know jack shit.
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
Every culture has stereotypes attached to it man
As far as they go the fair skinned Asians have the least
NOAN5WER@reddit
Legit peak Reddit take. Buddy go and pick up an extra shift at Wendy’s and stop rage baiting.
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
Can you please explain why my take was wrong?
Like, explain the point I'm trying to make in your opinion and why it's wrong, please
FoxyMiira@reddit
I agree there is a stereotype for every culture and for even closer groups like pan-Arab or pan-Asians. Easy pan-Asian stereotype would be East Asians are all high achievers or terrible drivers. I'm Asian myself born in a Western country. I didn't receive much racism but in general I can say there are tons of stereotypes. Did you also just memory-hole the days of stop Asian hate and the knockout game days when people primarily assaulted Asians who were perceived Chinese because of the covid?
I'll say that Asians are more visible than other European minorities for obvious reasons. I think Indians receive massive amounts of racist jokes more than East and SE Asians. Don't have to explain about Middle Easterners. I think that discrimination against darker skin color (colorism) exists and in that regard East Asians do receive less, doesn't mean there are less negative stereotypes.
Watt_Knot@reddit
You want me to create a list and rank minorities?
SlammingPussy420@reddit
Lmfao. Yeah dude, haven't you seen minority report?
^I ^haven't, ^but ^I ^think ^that's ^what ^it ^is ^about
Sengfroid@reddit
Well, right up at the top, Inuit.
Geographically.
smokeyphil@reddit
So you uh had a chance to work on that list yet or anything?
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
I want for you to create a list of how badly minorities are perceived in the US, who has the worst stereotypes to who has the least
Brightredaperture@reddit
Bro is the biggest victim ever lmaooo
Watt_Knot@reddit
Perceived by who?
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
I see we can't have an honest discussion Uhm?
What's the next question?
What is a minority?
What is a skin color?
What are words?
Very cool
Altruistic-Key-369@reddit
My condolences on not getting a tier list of minorities from a random redditor. Maybe you should dig a little deeper into this.
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
That was totally what I wanted.
Altruistic-Key-369@reddit
HitoHitoN@reddit
Make sure to put it on YouTube with a clickbait title #7 will shock you!
Kapes_m@reddit
Skoziss@reddit
Incorrect
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
I would like ot know your take, please expand
Skoziss@reddit
Consider this.
Why aren't black people white?
That same logic applies to Asians. To every other race saying some race is 'basically another' is a shit take from a garbage person
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
It's almost like I put that in quotation marks, like you, for a reason
Wooooo
AbyssWankerArtorias@reddit
Sounds like you're talking about how Asians were often referred to as "the model minority" in western society back in the 50's and 60's. This was done specifically to try and put down other minorities, not to actually credit Asians or praise them. It also has its negative effects for Asian people as well, such as raising the expectations of them to be higher than not only other minorities, but white people as well. One example is if you're an Asian student who isn't very good at math, it wasn't enough to just leave it at that. You basically get looked at like you're not really Asian or you get asked "how can you be bad at math when you're Asian" by other kids or more likely "aren't Asians supposed to be good at math". That kind of thinking ends up doing a lot of harm.
Not saying thats what you were saying, since you were commenting on stereotypes rather than reinforcing any, but it just relates to your comment.
StosifJalin@reddit
You're getting swarmed by redditors, but you're right. Asians, despite many adversities, continue to fluorish in general like whites and that makes them problematic for how they should be considered by the agenda. They are more likely to have high IQs and strong family values, which invalidates them from most special treatment as a minority. The hive/botters really hate people pointing that out for some reason.
Scared-Opportunity28@reddit
It's odd, while they have stronger family values they have much weaker interpersonal values. I mean fuck, you talk to people who've visited India and like 60% can tell you of a dead body people just walked around. Chinese have a similar reaction, though you hear about that less because they have cleaners who'll clean the corpses quickly.
CommanderReg@reddit
This is advanced racism. I can't even think of a group this doesn't piss off.
arbiter12@reddit
Which part pissed you off, the part about asian being on par with whites in terms of "privilege", or the part about their history being a carbon copy of ours, except much less religious?
Check what happened to #stopasianhate. It was fine when they thought it was white on asian, then they looked at the data... it died right there. I won't spoil the data for you.
CommanderReg@reddit
Oh there's a lot to unpack about what pissed me off, but the gist of it was the idea that both "white" and "asian" people are a hegemony, and that you're implying some kind of racial superiority on behalf of both.
Altruistic-Key-369@reddit
You should tell your war vet gramps that him and charlie were the same people after all
Kuuumbaaayaaa
arbiter12@reddit
By that same logic, you should tell your great-great-grandpa that germans were not white.
clotifoth@reddit
Oh, wow, this post is a masterclass in tripping over your own bigotry and face-planting into a pile of nonsense.
Let's unpack this gem: you're out here claiming Asians are "basically white" because... they work hard and don't "depend on society"? Yikes, that's not just a swing and a miss, it's like you threw the bat into the stands and hit yourself."
First off, the idea that Asians (or any group) are "basically" anything else is the kind of lazy, paint-by-numbers stereotyping that proves you're more committed to your fantasy world than reality.
Asians, like every other group, have diverse histories, cultures, and experiences that don't neatly slot into your sad little "white but not quite" box.
The "Judeo-Christian heritage" line? Pure gibberish, last I checked, hard work and resilience aren't copyrighted by any one religion or race."
And let's talk about this "struggle-politics" drivel.
You're mad Asians don't fit your weird victimhood checklist, so you just... erase their struggles?
Tell that to the Chinese laborers who built the railroads under brutal conditions, or the Japanese Americans interned during WWII, or the Southeast Asian refugees who rebuilt lives from nothing.
You're not just wrong "you're embarrassing yourself by pretending those histories don't exist."
The saddest part? You're so desperate to gatekeep "struggle" and "virtue" that you're out here whining about allies while propping up a worldview that's been debunked by anyone with a shred of empathy or a Wi-Fi connection.
Maybe instead of typing unhinged manifestos, try reading something that isn't just an echo of your own biases. You're not clever for this, you're just loud and wrong.
arbiter12@reddit
kek. chatgpt level of coherence.
AzorJonhai@reddit
Debunking racism with ChatGPT is crazy
that_frog@reddit
Do you know what I just can't figure out? Who is it quoting? Like seriously it has a whole bit about throwing a bat into the stands and then it somehow hitting themselves, all within quote marks, but like who said that?
And then randomly there's quotation marks left at the end of some paragraphs that don't even correlate to any sign of a quote being started within that paragraph.
That's not even a common mistake that chatGPT would make, so I just really can't stop wondering WTF happened on the pathway of this absolute gem being formed. Not even kidding, when I started reading it, I thought it was the next big copypasta
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
If you're gonna use ChatGPT to reply to stuff you need to make it sound less like ChatGPT before you post it.
Doyoueverjustlikeugh@reddit
I have a dream -- that one day a person will be judged:
Not by the color of their skin
But the content of their character
that_frog@reddit
Do you know what I just can't figure out? Who is it quoting? Like seriously it has a whole bit about throwing a bat into the stands and then it somehow hitting themselves, all within quote marks, but like who said that?
And then randomly there's quotation marks left at the end of some paragraphs that don't even correlate to any sign of a quote being started within that paragraph.
That's not even a common mistake that chatGPT would make, so I just really can't stop wondering WTF happened on the pathway of this absolute gem being formed. Not even kidding, when I started reading it, I thought it was the next big copypasta
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
I think what you’re trying to get at is that Asians are often treated differently from other BIPOC groups, especially in how they’re stereotyped in media and politics. That’s true - but saying they’re “basically white” is both lazy and bound to be misinterpreted in ways that completely derail your point. It also doesn’t mean solidarity is worthless; it just means conversations about race need to account for those differences instead of pretending all struggles look identical.
butterfunke@reddit
nice race lore fanfic bro
KHgamer32@reddit
Holy cowboy phrenologist psychosexual racial mogger
Still_Loading22@reddit
Are you actually stupid or ragebait
Ahabs-Left-Leg@reddit
legopego5142@reddit
Source on all of this with direct quotes?
Makedonski_Borec@reddit
Haha that's amazing it suits him right.
Besides what does one do if I want to have a character that's of a such small group, if I can't find them a character do I just make them mute? 😂 Or if it's some group that's wiped from existence, it doesn't make a gram of sense. If I can get a let's say Swedish VA for a character that'd be amazing, if not best to do is to find someone who can mimic the acent or speak Swedish.
Such flawed logic it's good that it got torn apart. What's next men can only voice men and women can only voice women characters?
ExtremeCreamTeam@reddit
serves* him right.
Except it doesn't. Calm the fuck down. You are so quick to jizz your pants with glee in order to shit talk somebody over something you're not even familiar with.
Makedonski_Borec@reddit
Blah blah blah I was given context and I said it suits him right cause he is a crybaby like you
ExtremeCreamTeam@reddit
serves*
Dumbass.
Makedonski_Borec@reddit
My dick is sweaty
ExtremeCreamTeam@reddit
I do enjoy a nicely lubed wiener.
More_Insurance_6464@reddit
You got any source for this besides that one image circulating around quoting him that was taken out of a speech where he says "I like it when companies cast authentic" voice actors which at no point indicated he wants everyone to only voice their own race
hyde9318@reddit
I’ve seen people bring this whole thing up multiple times on Reddit, and almost every single time, nobody posts any actual evidence except the interview where he doesn’t make much of a deal about it and basically just says he likes it when actors are cast with similarities in mind. If I remember right, his main criticism was that minorities keep getting passed over for roles matching their own ethnicity because they aren’t putting on enough of a stereotyped voice. So like an African American actor not sounding “black enough”, so they cast someone else… or an Asian actor being asked to sound more like an Asian stereotype, and so on.
The moment that seemed to set him off the worst was getting passed over for the role of a Korean character, even though he is Korean, for not sounding Korean enough… then they ended up going with a white dude putting on a Korean accent. I’m not super familiar with the whole situation, so someone else more familiar can correct me if I’m wrong… but the voice acting field is still pretty heavily dominated by white actors, and a lot of non-white roles are passing over actors of the same ethnicity as the character just because directors/creators would rather get a stereotype accent. Which, sure, it makes sense to have a voice in mind for your animated character, and some people just fit the voice better… but like, to pass over someone of the same ethnicity as your character because you think you know their accent better than them? I can see why some actors get frustrated with the whole thing.
SungWon/ProZD may have expressed his statement in a weirdly worded way, but his message seems pretty reasonable. But it’s Reddit, and Reddit LOVES tearing things down. Whether there is legitimate reason or not, Reddit will take a small thing out of context, then turn it into full on hate.
auralterror@reddit
Still stupid. When hiring a Voice Actor, I'm hiring them to act a voice, not talk like themselves. If you can't sound the way I want, you're not getting the job. VA is a role that is 100% about the sound and has absolutely nothing to do in any regard with any other aspect of the person. Doesn't matter what race you are - either you can or can't embody the character
hyde9318@reddit
The argument pretty clearly isn’t with not being able to do a voice, ProZD is pretty well known for having such a good range of voices that most people don’t even realize characters are him til someone tells them. The problem though is directors WANTING stereotypes, not characters.
A voice can make or break a character, but if a stereotyped voice is the key determining aspect of a character so much so that you’re unwilling to tone down the accent to be more respectful, then the character is simply made TO BE the stereotype.
For example, say we make up our own character real quick… we have a tall, muscular black man from Detroit. Already, we can see the edges of a stereotype forming, but obviously it’ll come down to the casting and how they play it. We bring in Cuba Gooding Jr who is an incredible actor, more than right for the role, he learns that southwest Michigan accent nearly perfectly and is all set… then the director goes “eh, you just don’t sound black enough”, instead hires a white actor who’s willing to put on the stereotypical Detroit black accent… never mind that said stereotypical accent is hardly anything like how anyone actually speaks around Detroit (lived in Michigan my entire life, movies portray how people there speak in the most ridiculous ways 90% of the time that’s borderline offensive usually). In this scenario, the director doesn’t want an authentic character, they want that stereotype…
THATS what ProZD/SungWon is talking about. It’s not “hey, I should have this role no matter whether I’m willing to do the right voice or not”, cause he always puts on great voices and has never had an issue there. His argument wasn’t even “give someone else these stereotype roles, they are offensive to us”. His argument has been against these kinds of roles even existing to begin with, and being so prominent when casting actors.
SadSalamander5@reddit
Okay, but it's my character and I want him to sound how I want him to sound. If he needs a thick, almost stereotypical accent, then if a white guy can do it better than you, then he's getting the job. Likewise, if I want an absurdly stereotypical German or British accent and a white guy can't do it, but a black guy or Asian guy can, then of course they'd get the job.
Look at Lee Jung-jae in The Acolyte. He learned English for this role and his accent is thick as hell and would be to you a stereotype. If I want my Korean character to sound like that, and you a Korean American can't do that voice, then sorry, you're not getting the job.
hyde9318@reddit
That’s not the same thing, you’re kind of arguing a totally different argument. An Asian actor having an Asian accent isn’t a stereotype, that’s just having an accent. If the character gets an accent from having an actor of that ethnicity, that’s just part of the role. The problematic stereotype issue would be like if the role is a Jackie Chan type character, and Jackie Chan offers to play the role, they instead ask Seth Rogan to just do a stereotypical Chinese accent…
The Star Wars character, Sol, is a terrible example to support what you’re arguing because it goes completely against your argument. The role was not created for a stereotypical Korean accent, the character was born on Coruscant, Korea isn’t even a thing in Star Wars. He just happened to be the actor they wanted, the accent had nothing to do with the role. Which is what I’m arguing… if a role is built AROUND the character having a stereotypical voice, then it’s a problematic character. Sure, these characters can exist in comedy, or historical movies and whatnot… but the problem isn’t the accent, it’s passing over authenticity for a parody and passing it off as “that’s the character”.
Let’s think of Sol again, great character, one of the best parts of the show… would you still have revered the character the same if they passed over Lee Jung-Jae and instead casted Ralph Fiennes doing a heavy Korean accent? Ralph is a ridiculously good actor, one of the best of our time… but what is more authentic and what is a stereotype? Lee Jung-Jae speaking in his own accent, or Ralph Fiennes putting on a heavy Korean accent?
SadSalamander5@reddit
My point is what if I want my character to have a thick accent and you, a Korean American, can't replicate that accent, but a white guy can? Maybe my Korean character is a first-generation immigrant or he just doesn't know English well. If you, the Korean American, are offended that I am asking you to do this, and you want to voice the character your way, then I have no reason to hire you as you are both not giving me what I want and stomping on my vision of my character.
If Ralph learns the Korean accent and can replicate it well, then does it matter if he voices a Korean character? VA work is supposed to be can you do it. Accents can be learned. People do it all the time for other accents like German, Britain, French, etc.
If you can find an Asian actor that can do it and have the budget, then sure. But why can't a white guy that is already voicing 3 other characters for you also voice this character to save on costs and simplify logistics, so you don't need to coordinate with more actors for scenes?
rayschoon@reddit
This happens all the time when minor celebrities share an opinion and are blamed when companies do something similar to, but unlikely because of, said opinion. I don’t think this dude saying one thing in an interview once changed hiring practices across the board
More_Insurance_6464@reddit
No dude trust, the video that has less than 10 thousand views not even featuring an A-list actor is the reason why the entire industry changed.
I legitimately saw people believing this
More_Insurance_6464@reddit
Reddit is pretty calm compared to the shitshow that is twitter. Most people are able to recognize the "proof" being shared is a random college with made-up context. The issue is reddit is not a centralized reply chain like twitter so their bullshit is easily called out.
People startrd sharing him quitting voice acting now, or like saying "how dare you voice a white guy" despite none of the characters in the show that they definitely heard before today has their races/backgrounds confirmed. (Hell the character is most likely a robot) which already proves that people are not actually following what is going on or prior context, they just wanna bully someone because they have nothing better to do with their lives
davidvia7@reddit
His biggest gig was him in God of War Ragnarok voicing a talking squirrel alongside Christopher Judge, a Black man, voicing Kratos. What the fuck is his problem
Affiiinity@reddit
I would have cast a squirrel instead of him
HumanContinuity@reddit
The morally correct solution. Lots of hard-working squirrel voice actors having trouble finding work, and lazy game development studios just go and hire the first human they think of, smh.
Fyrefanboy@reddit
He is also voicing senshi in dungeon meshi
flx-cvz@reddit
Hypocrite
Altruistic-Key-369@reddit
Oh he was that squirrel? Wasnt the squirrel in the first game too? Different VA? Weird.
I remember seeing him in BL3 voicing a vault hunter and in the BlackBerry movie
ANGLVD3TH@reddit
Squirrel was not in first game, no.
davidvia7@reddit
He was. (Spectral) Ratatoskr is available to Atreus as a rune power and shit talks you.
yourboinik69@reddit
Squirrel was in the first game as a runic summon.
ocajsuirotsap@reddit
His problem is that is he is angry that white voice actors exist. Angry that white people exist in general, probably.
kylerittenhouse1833@reddit
I had no idea he did that i only saw his funny videos and how he voiced my favorite character in borderlands 3. I thought dude was chill
peajam101@reddit
So far people have only been able to show me one interview where he was directly asked about it, I have no idea where this "major advocate" stuff is coming from.
Invoqwer@reddit
People see one image macro and just start making shit up lmao
TheCowboyIsAnIndian@reddit
people are fucking drunk on identity politics. everyone needs to be placed in a neat box and it makes the sell easier if you make everyone you oppose into a one dimensional caricature of a real person.
sebastianwillows@reddit
Is there an actual source for this? Been seeing this claim get some pushback lately...
Ekillaa22@reddit
Good his idea is dumb af anyway
Potted_PlantYT@reddit
I believe that he’s right if the character’s skin color/ethnic background is crucial to their characterization. For example, I think Commissioner Gordon from Batman could be voiced by anyone but Miles Morales should be voiced by a black person (preferably a Mixed Black/Latino, but at least black).
RealityMalady@reddit
Post proof of this. I have never seen any and people just scream at me, block and downvote me whenever I ask
MasterTahirLON@reddit
Ok but where did he actually say this? Closest I've seen is him saying he likes when voice actors are casted "authentically." Seems like a massive stretch to me.
Its_Buddy_btw@reddit
He didn't get called out he complained he couldn't voice a white guy and said the voice director said
"Well those characters aren't drawn Asian so no... You can't read for them"
bestjakeisbest@reddit
Ok only a black man can voice uncle ruckus.
AkiraDash@reddit
What do you mean? He was the whitest character.
theologous@reddit
I'll m not sure his behavior was white either exactly
Rabid-GNN@reddit
To note this he made this advocacy right after getting rejected for an Asian role and finding out the person who won the role was white.
As someone else pointed out, he also previously made complaints about only being cast for Asian roles, so he just ended advocating for a “rules for thee but not for me” moment
The_Biscuit_Dealer@reddit
Really bro
sebastianwillows@reddit
When did he make the first claim?
I've been seeing this discourse pop up elsewhere, and no one can seem to find an actual source on him saying this.
Mysticjosh@reddit
I'm not sure if this helps because I couldn't find much else about it, but I saw an interview with prozd from doubletoasted, and the context of live action casting was brought up. Not voice acting, just live action. That's pretty much all I could find on the subject, so there definitely could be more.
BearzerkerX@reddit
Idk, man, Phil LaMar did a fantastic job as Samurai Jack.
Antilazuli@reddit
As someone once said
depers0n@reddit
Oh hey it's the worst part of that one game changer episode
Purple-Lamprey@reddit
What happened
depers0n@reddit
There's a game changer episode with BDG, this fatty, and Caitlyn Reilly. Not one of the better ones, no thanks to SungWonTon.
depers0n@reddit
Oh damn his yt sub bot's active on Reddit as well
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
“There’s no way I’m the problem, it has to be bots!”
I couldn’t imagine thinking I was the target of a specific harassment campaign on one moment in a 4chan sub, just because of a few mean words I said.
Y
depers0n@reddit
Wow you're really angry about it. Don't worry, nothing I say can affect your blorbo. Him buying bots on Reddit as well isn't your personal failing.
Your taste definitely is, though. Gaylord.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
I don’t even know who it is you’re talking about, but no, I’m not angry, as I said, second hand embarrassment is what I’m feeling.
depers0n@reddit
Oh hey he used the reddit words. That definitely means you're not seething.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
They said, on Reddit, while also thinking they’re the sole target of a downvote harassment bot campaign
Thanks for the entertainment at least
depers0n@reddit
Where are you even getting this "sole target" rhetoric from? Don't you even know how bots work? They'll target anyone who says anything flagged as negative about him, because his ego is fragile and his dick is small
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Yet, if I’d ask, you wouldn’t be able to point to a single other instance lmao
Purple-Lamprey@reddit
I don’t know any of those names, oh well.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
I assume bdg is Big Dick Gary
deny_death@reddit
Brian David Gilbert
HerbLoew@reddit
Is that three guys or just one?
deny_death@reddit
Just one fella
Phazon2000@reddit
Is he a big fella?
kjyfqr@reddit
Bdg has really cool content.
BigHatPat@reddit
damn thats a lot of downvotes
depers0n@reddit
The youtube sub bots got onto reddit.
BigHatPat@reddit
you mean like i’m a bot or it’s bots that are downvoting?
FatalLaughter@reddit
They mean: "I said something stupid and people are upset so I'm going to call them bots instead"
depers0n@reddit
How's that atrophic Korean dick taste like? You seem like you're enjoying it
FatalLaughter@reddit
"You're not being a piece of shit with me, you must be dick sucking"
depers0n@reddit
You truly need this level of reading into exactly what you want to see to find lysandecuck funny, so that tracks.
FatalLaughter@reddit
Bro, all you've been doing is insulting him without providing any real reasons to. All your insults are surface level too. Where did you expect to make anyone think you're not just being a piece of shit for the sake of being a piece of shit? Lmao
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
No no, you really irked that many people.
Congratulations.
Neomataza@reddit
You didn't answer the damn question. If people wanted to start an internetsearch and watch episodes of some show with SWC/ProZD in it to see why it was bad, they wouldn't have fucking asked in this thread.
dontquestionmyaction@reddit
Anytime I'm being an arse online it's those damn bots downvoting me!!!!!
Specific_Ad1457@reddit
I just checked and it looks like it's make some noise not game changer.
depers0n@reddit
So.. they changed the game, huh? Makes you wonder what you could call that
FatalLaughter@reddit
It's a different fucking show you dimwit
Sengfroid@reddit
So he's wrong about everything except it not being one of the better game changer episodes, but only because it's not a game changer episode at all
Specific_Ad1457@reddit
The people they say are in it appear to be in it I don't watch make some noise so i can't speak to the quality of the episode as compared to others.
Eantropix@reddit
Holy shit bro got vote bombed 😭
SolventSpyNova@reddit
Downvoted I to oblivion within 10 minutes but what's the episode. I wanna watch and I have no idea what you're talking about lol
Neomataza@reddit
Apparently it wasn't even gamechanger but another show called make some noise.
SolventSpyNova@reddit
Ok but what's the episode? Lol tbf make some noise is a spin-off of gc 🤷
HansChrst1@reddit
Season 1, Episode 7
"A Villain and Their Real Estate Agent Tour Volcano Lairs"
The episode is about as good as many of the others. ProZD is funny in it and so are Caitlin Reilly and Brian David Gilbert. There are many clips from the episode on youtube if you don't have dropout
shotpun@reddit
its great that you called him names and all but uh actually he was pretty funny
No-Play2726@reddit
Uh actually
Heavy-Requirement762@reddit
King dragon send his regards
JustASyncer@reddit
I think that enemy got, the point!
RegularImpossible@reddit
https://i.redd.it/i23clvzf5pmf1.gif
Kiwi_Doodle@reddit
They asked what happened, not your opinion of the VA
Specific_Ad1457@reddit
Context?
samudec@reddit
SungWon Cho is a voice actor
At some point he said something along the line of "it would be nice if production tried to get ppl from a similar ethnicity to the character being voiced, instead of mostly white ppl"
productions then decided to try only cast ppl for characters of their ethnicity (and got white people when they couldn't, making the whole thing worse)
and now they're framing him as "the guy who ruined voice acting for minorities", trying to make him look like peter dinklage (who killed the career of a lot of ppl with dwarfism by saying "it's offensive to cast them as fantasy dwarfs" even though it represented a big part of the roles they were cast to play)
PeaceMaintainer@reddit
Daniel Dae Kim had a great interview on this actually, TL:DW; ethnic specific casting is important when the ethnicity (and culture of that ethnicity) is integral to the character themself, but not always strictly necessary depending on how the character is written. Like always, there's nuance and layers to it it's not black and white. Hollywood is trying to overcorrect rn
HumanContinuity@reddit
I feel like it is so crazy to come to any other conclusion, but even the smallest bit of nuance seems hard for the population at large - and large organizations and affiliations like corporations and Hollywood at large are no different.
Maximillion322@reddit
What Peter Dinklage actually said was that it’s offensive to typecast people with Dwarfism by only making roles as fantasy dwarves available to them.
The point he was trying to get across was that he wants to see more people with dwarfism in normal roles of regular characters in regular stories to normalize the condition, not limit it to something you only see in fantasy.
Scared-Opportunity28@reddit
The issue is 90% of cases it just seems odd to have a dwarf playing a normal person role, like even Peter only has like two or three rolls that aren't dwarf aligned...
Phazon2000@reddit
It’s not odd because he’s a dwarf it’s odd because of the fucking camera angles that are needed to compensate lmao.
Scared-Opportunity28@reddit
No, you don't need to do any fancy things, just have a dwarf playing a role that doesn't mention size or anything.
However, my prior statement might have been confusing, I meant Peter has minimal roles that aren't written as a dwarf.
Currywurst44@reddit
Movies only have a limited amount of roles and themes. Additionally movies have to be independent and stand on their own.
This means you can't just randomly cast roles based on population statistics. Instead roles are cast deterministically starting with the most common population groups. (This is not a strict rule but looking at the average of many movies should be roughly true) At some point all roles are assigned. Because of this minorities below a certain size will never get a role (or much rarer than their proportion would suggest)
Unlost_maniac@reddit
His role in the new Dexter show is fuckin amazing, I haven't seen Peter in anything apart from Marvel (I know I'm uncultured) but man his acting was crazy good, not once did I think about it being off or odd that he was playing a role basically anyone could've.
If any average person can take the role it would actually make sense to put someone with dwarfism in there. Why not.
Scared-Opportunity28@reddit
Up until recently his most non dwarf role was playing the asshole in an Adam Sandler movie, pixels specifically. He got famous for playing the dwarf in game of thrones, and then he's kind of pulled up the ladder behind himself by making Hollywood ashamed to stereotype dwarfs
dirtjur@reddit
Let’s not forget he played Bolivar Trask in X-men. It predated Pixels by a year.
Scared-Opportunity28@reddit
Ah yes, I forgot he played that asshole
Ensvey@reddit
The Station Agent was a great movie he starred in back in 2003, where his character wasn't a trope or stereotype
HansChrst1@reddit
Peter is in the newest Dexter season and he fits really well. He is playing a role anyone could be playing.
JonnTheMartian@reddit
You’re conflating dwarf with fantasy dwarf - Dinklage said he wants characters with dwarfism to be more common in regular media as opposed to being restricted to fantasy dwarf roles
Scared-Opportunity28@reddit
Ohhhhhh that makes more sense. I still think the comedian had the better sorta jab at that.
"I went to a job interview for Christmas commercial, they said I had to bring an elf costume from home... Like I mean I had one but still." (Paraphrased https://youtube.com/shorts/YE4Vay3iqKY?si=yOV0QeoeuMlG_aTd )
Wesdawg1241@reddit
Huh?? I've listened to Peter's whole spiel in context and I didn't get ANY of this from what he said. This is the first time I'm hearing this spin. It sounded pretty obvious that he was bitching about actors with dwarfism being cast as the seven dwarves in Snow White. Like, he was personally offended by the prospect of dwarves being cast as fantasy dwarves. He by no means made it clear that "he wants to see more people in regular stories to normalize the condition" as you put it. If that's what he was trying to convey, he did it very, very poorly. In fact, Peter's comments were so poorly received that other dwarf actors, (Brad Williams, Wee Man, and Dylan Post to name a few) interpreted it exactly how Disney did and they were upset that they were now losing acting jobs because of those comments.
Specific_Ad1457@reddit
I was asking for context about the gamechanger episode.
FHAT_BRANDHO@reddit
He does a goofy spider man bit that always gets me
https://youtube.com/shorts/CfyTNZF1sIo?si=Mjis-9w5yqGA7OLR
N4M34RRT@reddit
It might not be Make Some Noise, I haven't seen his episode(s?) but he has a cameo in a Game Changer episode where he plays the YouTuber whose tutorial the players must watch to figure out how to fix a contraption that belongs to Sam. The contraption is a crime against creation, something like a mechanical spider with a half-articulated silicon human mouth on the front. It really is horrendous.
glizzytwister@reddit
There isn't, at least related to this, he's just been on a few episodes.
samudec@reddit
oh yeah, idk about that, only seen clips of the dropout shows
Specific_Ad1457@reddit
I watch game changer but I don't remember him being in an episode. Turns out they were talking about make some noise instead which i don't watch so 🤷.
thelordstrum@reddit
He was in Deja Vu, but that was for like five seconds so I doubt they're talking about that
FloatingHamHocks@reddit
Korean Peter Dinklage.
SaulGoodmanAAL@reddit
Dude he had an entire Twitter meltdown over this, he didn't "say something along those lines" lmao
Ekillaa22@reddit
I think having to have the VA be the same race of the character they are voicing is pretty racist but hey I’m just a white dude what do I know 🤷♂️
Ken_nth@reddit
Actually, from what I can tell, the industry was already shifting towards this.
He was just a famous guy who parroted the idea and likely didn't have that heavy a thumb on the scales
Horrorifying@reddit
Really putting a lot of spin on that one, huh?
Nico-Nii_Nico-Chan@reddit
Uhm Actually, that was a Make Some Noise episode
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
God I hate like 90% of these people so much.
ViridDiamond938@reddit
There’s a show on dropout call uhm actually, he’s just being facetious
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
I know. I’ve seen the shows. Unfortunately.
lauriys@reddit
ok..?
iownmultiplepencils@reddit
Are you talking about the cast..?
awesomea04@reddit
Wasn't Game Changers that one (if not the last) Dan Schneider show about children making iPhone games in 2017? Also it had Kel from Keenan and Kel and that was its only noteworthy attribute?
OnixST@reddit
Nope. Game Changer is a game show focused more on comedy than actual competitiveness.
It's on Dropout TV (previously CollegeHumor), hosted by Sam Reich, featuring the CH cast and some guests here and there (usually all comedians)
The premise is being the only game show where the game changes every show (fully original never before seen most times, but there have been games like simon says)
It's one of my favorite shows ever. Extremely funny and really worth a watch (and if you find one episode boring, just skip to the next for a totally different game)
legopego5142@reddit
Lol no
Salticracker@reddit
Game Changes is a College Humor improv show
BunOnVenus@reddit
I think Henry Danger ended up out living it as the last show in the Schenider verse. And they are both connected to the iCarly lore lmao shits like a soap opera
kieran81@reddit
me when i deliberately misunderstand an argument to feel better about myself
breakfasteveryday@reddit
How would you reframe the argument to be more accurate and fair?
Aenaen@reddit
To steelman, it's exclusionary when the tiny proportion of minority roles (ethnic, LGBT etc) only ever get played by straight white people, denying people from those communities the opportunity. There are just so so many majority roles that it is impossible for majority actors to be edged out of them in the same way.
If there's e.g. 1 major movie character a year who's gay or Asian, then having them played by a cishet white person means someone from those communities never gets the chance, and marginalised groups are often portrayed insensitively (see: all the cishet men playing trans women). On the other hand, there's countless (thousands?) of straight, white roles in Western media, so actors of those demographics will simply never lose out every possibly opportunity in the same way.
breakfasteveryday@reddit
Where do you see "cishet" men playing trans women?
Aenaen@reddit
????? all the time? that girl in squid game recently for one.
Here's a list of 23
https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2018/7/10/23-cisgender-actors-who-played-trangender-movies#rebelltitem3
breakfasteveryday@reddit
ngl when your all-time list of 23 movies doesn't get to the year 2000 until we're 10 deep, and then that performance is one that won an Oscar, I don't really sympathize.
Also this like of reasoning seems awfull close to saying the actors aren't "passing," or something....
In any case, it sounds like you're saying "having trans person in the role is more important than anything else," and I disagree.
Aenaen@reddit
Do you not see the problem with having cis men (who have not undergone any of the biological changes from HRT that actual trans people do) be the only portrayals of trans women that most people see? Don't think that could contribute to the hostility and misconceptions about trans people that are being used to attack them all across the English-speaking world?
breakfasteveryday@reddit
So should trans women not be able to play cis women?
kieran81@reddit
The argument boils down to this: White voice actors are overrepresented in the **AMERICAN** voice acting field, and have historically been given roles regardless of the character's race/culture; while nonwhite voice actors are often only given roles associated with their race, if roles at all. So when casting someone of a particular underrepresented background, you should look for voice actors from that same general background. Also I have some thoughts on the broader argument because, while I mostly agree with Sungwon, I still kind of disagree with him but I don't have to misrepresent him to do that.
For a very long time, minorities had a lot more trouble getting into both the acting and voice acting industry, and white people were frequently cast in roles that were deliberately written to be from a certain race/culture.
Hollywood and live action acting definitely caught up as things like blackface were shunned by broader society; but voice acting remained a very predominantly white field. You would see very few nonwhite people who could make it in the American voice acting industry, and many of those who could were already live action actors who had made connections in the industry.
This all kind of came to a head in the 2016-2020 era Black Lives Matter movement (because it's never what the protestors actually want, its always small symbolic victories instead), where there was a broader push for nonwhite voice actors to have the roles of characters from their race/culture. The argument being that white voice actors have more chances for roles as well as are more likely to be cast in the first place.
Now I don't know if I entirely agree with the argument; as while this has been going on there's been a broader push for diversity in storytelling; and that includes having more characters that need voice actors that have diverse backgrounds. Woke agenda or whatever. The point is that there is a lot more diversity in your average show/movie, which means that there's a lot more chances for people of color to get the roles they want, which means that I don't know if I agree with this argument. My take is that its fine for any person of any race to play any character, as long as there isn't an industry-wide trend that predominantly hurts nonwhite VAs. If there's a larger degree of acceptance and a larger amount of roles that nonwhite VAs are cast in, it just remains to be seen if the course has been corrected or if we got a few more breakout nonwhite voice actors and called it a day.
breakfasteveryday@reddit
Thanks for the breakdown, that is a note reasonable take.
FITE_ME_AT_MACCAS_M8@reddit
"Errm ackhually you misunderstood it - no I won't explain how you did I'll just say you did to look like I'm capable of forming a witty remark 🤓"
Ozuge@reddit
Feel free to point out where the error is in the first line of the green text.
Society in general doesn't like it when a white actor does blackface, but it's okay somehow if it's a voice? Also it's an additional massive leap to go from "a black actor should do this role of a black person" to "you can only play specifically Korean characters."
JimmyJamsDisciple@reddit
It’s a massive leap to say that somebody shouldn’t contradict themselves? Are you smoking crack? The dude said that characters should only be voiced by their real life races, with a history of voicing characters from other races. What about this hypocrisy makes sense to you?
Ozuge@reddit
Are you stupid? The greentext jumps from race to nationality for no reason. Try to stay on topic.
JimmyJamsDisciple@reddit
buddy, if you can’t see how you’re wrong here, you might just be regarded
FITE_ME_AT_MACCAS_M8@reddit
Blackface is an act of displaying a racist caricature, voicing a perfectly normal character that happens to be black is not the same at all.
You're gonna have to walk us through your thought process here bud, because you got nothing to back this argument up so far
Ozuge@reddit
I really shouldn't have to explain how race and nationality are too different (made up) concepts to a supposed grown up.
FITE_ME_AT_MACCAS_M8@reddit
??? What's the actual point you're trying to make? Don't be like, "Durrr I don't need to explain", actually use your words and make a concise argument like an adult.
Ozuge@reddit
After you, man.
FITE_ME_AT_MACCAS_M8@reddit
Okay, and? What's so bad about this one line that has your panties in a twist?
Ozuge@reddit
You're the one with a problem, remember? You're the one defending the greentext as if it makes sense.
FITE_ME_AT_MACCAS_M8@reddit
Yeah, I'm asking you to explain why it doesn't
Ozuge@reddit
I've already done so. If you refuse to read that's a you problem.
FITE_ME_AT_MACCAS_M8@reddit
So I should assume your stance is that voice acting a black character is some kind of offensive blackface, but it doesn't matter if a Korean voices say, a Japanese person, because in your eyes all Asians are the same? Because if you refuse to elaborate that's all I can take from what little you've given.
Ozuge@reddit
That's not all you could take from it, it's what you want to take from it.
FITE_ME_AT_MACCAS_M8@reddit
Hey man, I asked you to explain your point mulitple times and you still aren't doing that so I don't really see what else I'm supposed to get from this whole conversation. Saying " Race and nationality are different things" is just being semantic so I figured you had something more than surface level to say but I guess not.
Ozuge@reddit
Hey man, I've explained myself multiple times despite you showing me nothing but willfull ignorance. I really don't know what you want from me. It's not semantics, this shit is just really not that complicated. I could tell you the sky is blue and you'd accuse me of semantics and probably ask for a source.
FITE_ME_AT_MACCAS_M8@reddit
Okay well I've gained nothing from this and it looks like you truly believe you actually did something for some reason so idk... bye I guess
passonthestar@reddit
Excluse black actors from voicing white an asian characters then, and we're good.
Rules needs be applied equally.
Dekik@reddit
You are arguing with someone who is frequent on Anime memes. Not necessarily a winning battle.
kieran81@reddit
I did explain it 4head
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
Lmao. ProZD is a fucking hypocrite
Kitchen-Atmosphere82@reddit
I haven't really read any of his takes first hand, but im thinking of chris pratt Voicing mario, and that pisses me off for sure
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
"Roles for me but not for thee whitey!"
BillCry@reddit
He didn't say anything like that, if you watch the clip you'll see that, it's a clip taken out of context and blown out of proportion because people love to have someone to yell at.
Dangerous-Spend-2141@reddit
link to the clip people are talking about?
Fattest_loser@reddit
Pretty sure its this around 25:00
submortimer@reddit
Jesus that's the most measured and mellow take on this subject I've seen. Is that what passes for "controversy" nowadays?
Insane_Wanderer@reddit
Are you able to link the clip? I’m a fan of his so I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt and see what was actually said
bojackswanson@reddit
what’s next, are we going to get a fucking horse to voice bojack horseman?
BluudLust@reddit
Yes, Mr. Ed!
Awesome_Alan4ever@reddit
Only if he's more horse than a man
YourLocalSnitch@reddit
What if hes hung like one
endelehia@reddit
what about manbearpig? should we get 3 actors?
Tortzs@reddit
Or more man than the horse?
Happy_REEEEEE_exe@reddit
mister ed
AcrolloPeed@reddit
Nay
Yottaphy@reddit
underrated comment
BirbsAreSoCute@reddit
Go back to Youtube
Vall3y@reddit
Bojack is obviously white
bojackswanson@reddit
my bad, let’s get a white horse to voice him then
korainato@reddit
True that.
Warfightur@reddit
I didn’t realize that Sgt Johnson from Halo was voiced by a white dude lol
AlexLuna9322@reddit
The guy that appeared on Dr House did something similar and won the hate of everyone in LatAm for saying something about Apu?
eossfounder@reddit
"Dr House", the spiritual successor to the TV series "Mr MacGyver".
Supershadow30@reddit
"House MD" is called "Dr House" in several localizations.
dotheeroar@reddit
Look if a white guy can nail a solid black accent then throw him in the boondocks
Unlucky-Leave-3726@reddit
It'd likely be better for everyone if the author get to decide who to dub their character.
YourLocalSnitch@reddit
An author might be good in their own field but you cant always trust them in a completely different medium of entertainment
CreamyDick69@reddit
Not exactly practical, especially if it's just to appease some wokies.
TKRAYKATS@reddit
The dwarfs in Snow Whites live action.....
rape_is_not_epic@reddit
Kratos is a black dude, both Hero (purple variant) Ness and Lucas from Smash Bros are voiced by women, Apu from The Simpsons is voiced by a white guy. It's ACTING, you ACT the role you're given, saying that it should be race based is racist in and of itself.
landbeforetimegeek@reddit
Has anyone here done any voice acting before? Like this is a common view in the VO community.
Like, im a white man from U.S. with English Isles heritage, so it's in my "lane" to do any US "white" accents and U.K. accents. Essentially any "white" role, but probably would want to stay away from other European roles and characters. I would never audition let's say for an audiobook or character that has an "urban" accent. Or Jamaican. Or African. Or Asian.
Although if its an expansive audiobook with minor characters that is much more accepted and you do your best to portray it with as much authenticity as you can. This is normal.
Storyshifting@reddit
Where the fuck are we gonna find an elf for frieren season 2?,
TxSilent@reddit
Cuck activities
stinkbot47@reddit
Making Strom Thurmond proud! 🥲
gorgeousphatseal@reddit
Why even comment on this from his perspective ?
Get asked clearly divisive question
Give your opinion
Lose either way.
Just be a Chad and say no comment. Keep farming internet money.
LiverspotRobot@reddit
Doesn’t a black guy voice kratos
Chief_Hazza@reddit
I think the idea is that in an ideal world, if in the whole population of the USA there are: - 20% Asians - 20% African Americans - 20% Hispanic - 40% white people Then there should be - 20% Asian characters that need voice over - 20% African American - 20% Hispanic - 40% white And then population of voice actors get equal opportunity and jobs.
But in our world we, if we had that 20/20/20/40 split of ethnicities in our population, our split of character that need VO is 10/10/10/70. This means that for those 60 non-white VAs there is only 30 jobs available, meaning either they don't get to have a job or they voice white characters. In addition, it means that if the 40 white VAs start voicing some of the 30 non-white characters, the non-white VAs are being pushed out of their jobs even harder.
ProZD is saying we should try to get to that first ideal world, but due to there not being an equal amount of non-white characters relative to the real world population, VAs of color need to take on white characters if they want to keep their job/make a living, whereas white VAs do not need to take on non-white characters as they already have an abundance of options.
I think it has been factually proven that there are more white characters in mainstream tv/movies than would be expected for the actual population split. Its obviously WAY closer to reality than it was a decade ago but I'm pretty sure it's still not at real world parity.
gcpizzle23@reddit
You’re factually wrong. The amount of white characters in mainstream tv and movies is roughly 60 percent and the percentage population of white people in the USA is roughly 60 percent. It’s literally almost exactly what you see in the real population split.
One-Constant-4092@reddit
Wow another content creator I liked turns out to be a horrible person
BillCry@reddit
He didn't say any of that though.
Wk1360@reddit
I mean, as long as they’re not doing a literal caricature there’s nothing wrong with someone voicing a character of a different race. If it’s like, Alison Brie voicing a character who’s coming to terms with her Vietnamese identity, yeah, that’s a little inauthentic. But the Simpsons replacing Hank Azaria’s pretty iconic Carl voice with someone who’s literally just talking is pretty lame & very much just done for brownie points.
The people involved in Bojack Horseman have gone on to say “yeah, in retrospect, that was a little insensitive.” But the people working on the Simpsons didn’t want to have to actually address anything so they shoved one of their best developed side characters under the rug and made all of the black characters sound much, much worse.
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
Dr Hibert and Carl's new voices are so bland. The delivery was half the joke for those two.
Zenspy-Real@reddit
What is wild is that Hibert's new voice is Principal Lewis on American Dad, which is IMO one of the best performances out there in cartoons IMO.
So it's not a lack of skill, so i have no idea what's up with that.
boxer1182@reddit
Max G’s point about voice acting is the perfect response to anything Sungwong said. Skill is paramount
peajam101@reddit
>vaguely voice support for a movement once when directly asked about
>get called a hypocrite and made into the face of the movement when you complain about it years later
God I'm glad I'm not famous
TheCowboyIsAnIndian@reddit
the people who push these narratives must be insufferable. its crazy they dont have anything better to do than flatten some d-list celebrity. these are also probably the same people who complain about cancel culture and how "comedy is dead." all the time. fucking yawn.
joemamalikesme69420@reddit
We need a show where a lot of white people are voiced by black people and use a lot of AAVE slang and a stereotypical accent, and then one episode a black person shows up and their voice is the most white person in human history
Mastuh_KBM@reddit
Funny enough, The Boondocks has Ed Wuncler III voiced by Charlie Murphy and Gin Rummy voiced by Samuel L Jackson and the two of them just going off on tangents is the funniest shit ever.
frontlinejohnny@reddit
untakenu@reddit
It's like how they changed the voice actors for some characters in The Simpsons, as if Apu being voiced by an Indian makes the caricature shop owner more authentic or something. Thankfully they essentially just wrote him out of the show for the past 7 or so years. But hearing Dr Hibbert with a different voice is just weird.
AND THANK GOD THEY RECAST BUMBLEBEE MAN TO BE A REAL HISPANIC. RACISM HAS BEEN SOLVED.
Go on r/fancast. They seem to think they best guy for a role is one who happens to already look like the character.
errorexe3@reddit
Im like 60% sure hes also the VA for the black priest (the primary villian) of Jojo's Stone Ocean's english dub.
mrpeshoga@reddit
No prozd has no big roles, he's more of a YouTuber.
ocajsuirotsap@reddit
Pucci is white
InkPrison@reddit
He isn't though Pucci is voiced by a different Korean American VA. Pucci isn't black, he is white with a dark complexion. This comes up in his backstory I won't spoil.
F1235742732@reddit
I don't think that's true. Spoilers for JoJo Stone Ocean >!I thought Pucci was mixed black/Italian. His brother, who looks white, that he was separated from at birth, was lynched by the Klan when they found out he was he was part black and dating a white women (who was also his sister, neither The Klan or him knew that)!>
boykimma@reddit
Weather is not half-black, the Klan just thought that because his "mother" married a black man.
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
Which is also odd cause Weather is the whitest looking mf on the planet
Wicirelllis@reddit
Your spoiler doesn't work. At least on mobile
F1235742732@reddit
Well, I don't know how to fix that. Can't use my PC rn. I'll fix it once I get home
LionMonroe@reddit
We see Puccis birth parents and they’re both white
InkPrison@reddit
F1235742732@reddit
Oh that makes sense
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
That's someone else, Pucci is also not black if you can believe it.
ForumsDwelling@reddit
Understandable mix up, Yongyea is the voice actor and he also has a youtube channel under his name. The soy guy on this 4chan post is SungWon Cho and his channel is ProZD.
SnooPredictions3028@reddit
Oh shit seriously? Good for him!
xd3mix@reddit
I don't know if he actually voices Pucci
But just so you know Pucci isn't black, he's a white Italian
mrpeshoga@reddit
Oh the insufferable cuckold finally got what he deserved. Neat. And no I'm not insulting him, he's an actual proud cuckold.
Yell0wWave@reddit
Oh hey, it’s the worst part of GoW Ragnarok
leglesslegolegolas@reddit
Next season of Futurama on hold while we try to find an intergalactic crustacean to voice Zoidburg
Yamigosaya@reddit
i personally dont care what race voices a character, it should be that their skill is so good that i forget the character is being voiced by an actor
qywuwuquq@reddit
Asians participating in racial discourse on the side of whites will never not be funny.
mynameis_duh@reddit
people have too much free time.
SaltyFlavors@reddit
Jenny Slate went to jail for this crime
YoungDiscord@reddit
Think of all the green prople who were robbed from voice acting beastboy & martiwn manhunter smh
Chooper8@reddit
Reach comming from a guy that isn't even a dwarf (voicing Senshi)
TheFeelingWhen@reddit
I don't like ProZD but do people think someone as small and irrelevant in the industry was the reason for the change.
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
His hypocrisy is the issue. He said you can only voice your own race, and was given a role based on his race, which he raged out and got flamed over
Hyro0o0@reddit
The hypocrisy can be called out even if he's not singularly responsible for the outcome.
vjmdhzgr@reddit
Very recent repost from account with literally 1.4 million karma
DeathsStarEclipse@reddit
I want to take jobs from other people, not have them taken from me!
Zednoxs@reddit
He is a dumb regard