Venezuela's Maduro says his country is peaceful but will not bow to threats
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Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
It will be interesting to see what happens given what has unfolded in Colombia.
Since April 2024, Colombia has recorded 301 drone attacks. Most of them from the cartels but many of them are also from FARC breakaway elements.
Two weeks ago, a FPV drone laden with explosives hit a police helicopter, killing 12 officers.
Basically, Colombian mercenaries serve ~12 months in Ukraine’s Foreign Legion and return home with excellent drone skills.
Cartels or guerrillas are willing to pay top dollar for those skills.
We can expect any American intervention to face these challenges.
Around the time of the helicopter attack, another FPV drone hit a river barge and sunk it in Colombia.
Word on the street is that Russia either is offering or already has offered Venezuela 2,000 Geran-2 drones.
Easy to launch. Easy to swarm. Deadly weapon. Those could even sink US Navy ships!
sexaddic@reddit
Nothing is going to sink a US navy ship. Let’s be real.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Um. Are you delusional?
sexaddic@reddit
Please tell me what can? Work out the exact circumstances.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
P-800 Oniks. 10m altitude. Mach 3+. Dirt cheap also.
Kh-22/32. Near vertical dive onto target at Mach 4.6. Only like 4 of these have been intercepted in Ukraine. Out of over 300.
Even cheaper than the Oniks.
historicusXIII@reddit
Ukrainian drones have sunk Russian navy ships. The Houthi were close to taking out an American carrier to the point that said carrier had to perform an evasion manoeuvre that made a multi million dollar fighter jet fall off deck.
sexaddic@reddit
Yeah again, not sunk. A US navy ship is not getting sunk by any country on this planet short of nuking the carrier group.
bigbadaboomx@reddit
Are you saying this as an expert or as a nationalist?
sexaddic@reddit
As a veteran and expert. A US naval carrier group is for all intents and purposes unsinkable. We have too much defenses to be sank. Drones, planes, missiles, submarines all get shot down before they can touch us.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Unfortunately, our defenses are unable to intercept most of the weapons our enemies would use against us.
We are reduced to saying “nuh uh” or “they can’t hit a moving target” which clearly highlights how complacent and far behind we are.
sexaddic@reddit
What are you basing this on?
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
The fact that we can’t intercept anything above Mach 5.
We also don’t even have hypersonic cruise missiles so we can’t even develop reliable defense systems.
And then on top of that, most of our fleet is barely afloat. Our carrier groups today are a joke.
We aren’t looking at Ukraine and learning from it. We are just assuring ourselves “oh we are better so we don’t have to worry”
bigbadaboomx@reddit
You might be right but our enemies have had decades to try and come up with ways to test these defenses. Complacency will be the thing that gets one of these carriers sunk. Thanks for your insights
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Neither. He’s just an idiot.
The American military is not functional anymore. It exists basically to reassure delusional geriatric boomers that America is still number 1.
Massive-Cow-7995@reddit
Seems the Venezuelan goverment has seen the writing on the wall.
I thik it was on this sub that news of heighthened pentagon activety was noted and i said it was for an invasion of Venezuela, i still buy into that even if is just crapot conspiracy theory on my part.
If not and invasion at the very least some form of intervention will occur i bet
Thangoman@reddit
Its incredible how heavyhanded is the USA approach with Venezuela.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Maduro built up a massive force along the border with Guyana. How is a single US ship more extreme?
nachtengelsp@reddit
No he didn't. Get a map ffs and see what lies in that border: A motherfucking jungle.\ The only way for the Venezuelan military to reach Guyana is by sea or by trespassing Brazilian border, which is just as desolate as the direct Venezuela-Guyana border. And that's why no one down here in SA touched that matter anymore, only the orange man
MechaCoqui@reddit
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-venezuela-tensions-rise-us-warships-arrive-southern-caribbean-2025-08-28/ cause its not a single US ship. 7 war ships along with one nuclear submarine. Then also several US spy planes in the area.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Damn, that sucks. Maybe he should stop trying to annex Guyana.
tecate_papi@reddit
You're American. Of course you are.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Imagine simping for Maduro lol
I know this sub loves it when the third world does the imperialism, but maybe at least pick someone competent to hang your hat on.
Welin-Blessed@reddit
You think the critique of the US is simping for the other side, you are truly an American
Best_Change4155@reddit
A critique over what, specifically?
tecate_papi@reddit
A critique about America's bankrolling banana republics for the last 120 years. Read a book.
MultifactorialAge@reddit
Lol he’s an American. They don’t read anything longer than a tweet.
Best_Change4155@reddit
My dude, you are Canadian, you are illiterate.
Abraxomoxoa@reddit
Homie just call it at this point, you're not doing yourself any favors
Best_Change4155@reddit
Was Maduro democratically elected?
Massive-Cow-7995@reddit
Would that justify a intervention? Because if that is the case there are some US allies with unelected heads of states that need some freedom
Welin-Blessed@reddit
Any critique that implies two sides, is a default argument you Americans use a lot, everything is black or white so it's always the "if you are not with me you are against me" mentality
Best_Change4155@reddit
This isn't specific. What am I specifically critiquing about Venezuela?
Welin-Blessed@reddit
Nothing that's the point, you don't argument anything you just say, "you criticize my government that means you simp -insert name here-", that's my point, is a fallacy that you Americans use for everything and means nothing
PressPausePlay@reddit
Ironically you're the only one engaging in this thinking currently.
Welin-Blessed@reddit
Ironically only americans use that argument and they do it like a free pass, if you don't like my observation ok, but don't try to do ad hominem now, you go from fallacy to fallacy, a lot of dialectics and little reference to the conversation.
PressPausePlay@reddit
Saying "only Americans" do this is black and white thinking.
CodeComprehensive734@reddit
They never said only Americans.
Can you read?
PressPausePlay@reddit
"Ironically only americans use that argument and they do it like a free pass"
Welin-Blessed@reddit
There are arguments that because propaganda are mostly used by Americans, I'm sure there are other places, but I'm not talking about all Americans at all or that you use it being conscious is a dichotomy fallacy, I'm saying that is something that I only hear from Americans and it's like an automatic response, no need to extrapolate.
Buraikhoi@reddit
No argument from me. Just replying to disprove the notion that "you are the only one thinking like that."
TimeFlamingo8548@reddit
Trying for regime change Which almost never goes aswell as leading to power vacuums civil wars or an equally oppressive puppet taking over
They will claim it's to liberate civilians but they are the ones who will suffer
Best_Change4155@reddit
Is that what's happening?
Thangoman@reddit
Whats sp hard to understand about the idea that US intervention has consistemtly made the countries it intervened worse even if the situation is already fucked up? It sounds like you learnt something about the war on terror since you are eager to continue doing this
Best_Change4155@reddit
The fact that Kuwait isn't Iraq and Kosovo isn't Serbian.
softwarebuyer2015@reddit
It is mind blowing you would present the gulf war as something to be proud of.
This is not personal mate, but you need to be told : the entire planet thinks the opposite. I would ask you to reflect on that .
Best_Change4155@reddit
Kuwaitis are the only ones that matter.
the-southern-snek@reddit
Forty one countries joined the USA in the Gulf War the world with and is with America on the Gulf War.
Thangoman@reddit
The fuck do you mean with this? Are you this dense to not realize that even your allies think this is an step top far?
Best_Change4155@reddit
I mean Cuba isn't blockaded. Do you not know the difference?
Thangoman@reddit
Its the way the sanctions are called, the semantics are irrelevant when the avtion is still bad and widely condemned
Thangoman@reddit
Ah yes lets celebrate the Gulf War! Lets celebrate that Kuwait remains a shitty kingdom with human right violations instead of a shitty dictatorship with human rights violations, lets just ignore how much blood you pointlessly spilled in that war.
The intervention in Serbia was a pretty good thing the US did, a shame about almost all the rest.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Unlike Iraq.
Gulf War was pretty textbook for a war. Clear purpose, clear goals. All achieved with minimal damage. War is not a happy, fun thing to do.
Thangoman@reddit
Lmao. You live under a rock.
Oh so you just want to celebrate the war on terror now, great! I will be sure to tell how great the US is to all the people tgat had to endure ISIS and millions of deaths because of your completely reckless selfinterested actions
Best_Change4155@reddit
During the Gulf War?
Thangoman@reddit
You said that Iraq isnt a dictatorship anymore, wonder which war did that!
moderngamer327@reddit
This isn’t always the case although it is the case in many situations. Japan and South Korea for instance turned out great
Massive-Cow-7995@reddit
South Korea was a dictatorship with very poor living conditions for decades only showing the start of change during the 80's and getting close to Japan during the 2000's
Japan itself is a island that was occupied by The US for a decade after what can only be described as the biggest Naval conflic on the biggest war the world has ever seen and even after that, people underestimate how hard reconstruction was for the nation affected during the second world war, with only giving economic support for the Japanese due to needing a ally in the pacific to counter the Soviets and what was at the time a new soviet ally in China.
Do you honestly think Venezuela would get this treatment?
moderngamer327@reddit
Oh it definitely was horrible immediately after the war but it did rapidly improve and is now among the best nations to live in(from a global perspective)
I’m not saying it’s like Venezuela would get the same treatment I am just pointing out it’s not universally bad results from US intervention
Reddit_Sucks_1401@reddit
Greenland and Canada. Ring a bell?
Best_Change4155@reddit
Countries that are trying to invade Guyana?
Reddit_Sucks_1401@reddit
Don't do that. You know exactly what I'm talking about.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Did Trump send warships to Greenland? Did he deploy the army to Canada? American companies are heavily invested in Guyana and Guyana has no military. This is closer to the Gulf War than any imagined scenario playing out in your mind.
MechaCoqui@reddit
Has threatened to take over Greenland and did not rule out military force. Also US personal caught try to influence greenland politics to turn it over to the US https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo.amp . US has also been using tarrifs as a way to try to force Canada to become the 51st state, orange man himself said “ They would go away if Canada becomes the 51st state. So yes the US is currently in the process of trying to annex Canada and Greenland. Then there is the US currently planning a military offensive in mexico.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
and what are you going to do about it? Complain to the UN? Try and get the ICC to arrest us?
MechaCoqui@reddit
Buddy im from the US lol. But thanks for showing the world that our country is more akin to a bully than some freedom loving country it loves to portray itself as.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
If you got a problem, then you can leave.
MechaCoqui@reddit
Lol always goes back to that default statement when someone questions the brutality of this nation. Get a new line buddy.
user929393839@reddit
No. I am going to cheer for your countrymen's death when a new 9/11 happens. I am going to saber a champagne bottle when one of your "journalists" gets decapitated by an armed group in the middle east. And i am going to be happy when your country turns agaisnt you.
Massive-Cow-7995@reddit
Closer to the Gulf war with only a singular caveat...
Venezuela hasnt invaded any nations state thus far and if the US wishs to prevent and invasion it could just have a defense treaty with Guyana in a similar way it does with Taiwan.
I am really not sure why this of all things, a potential future invasion of Guyana that has not even happened is the angle taken here
Best_Change4155@reddit
There is military build-up on the border and Maduro claims that a chunk of Guyana is actually Venezuela.
Massive-Cow-7995@reddit
That was been going on for close to a year, and it still isnt a justification for war as the US can just go to Guyana and send them guns or better yet, but troops in Guyana's soil.
Unless Venezuela attacks first there is not a singular justification for a US invasion, and that was what i was saying.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
We don’t have a defense treaty with Taiwan. They are more like a Ukraine.
An outpost we fund and arm.
Massive-Cow-7995@reddit
My point still stand, there are far more effective methods to defend Guyana if that is the US objective than starting a war right on Guyanese borders
Reddit_Sucks_1401@reddit
So its about oil then? Figures.
And threatening to annex sovereign/self-governing nations is bad enough. Not to mention the fact he has and is currently supporting the annexation of the West Bank and Gaza.
Best_Change4155@reddit
And yet not a word about Maduro.
Reddit_Sucks_1401@reddit
I've always condemned him from the very beginning. Also Trump isn't attempting to invade Venezuela because of Guyana (not yet at least). Its because of the crackdown on drug cartels.
And if God forbid, something does happen, I just hope Guyana stays wary of both Venezuela and the US.
MarkMarkMarkMarkMar@reddit
Venezuela is quite the opposite of a banana republic.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Single export controlled incompetently by the authoritarian state, where the elites prosper and everyone else suffers.
MarkMarkMarkMarkMar@reddit
The single export is publicly owned and they’re being choked by sanctions because they refuse to bow down to America. Quite the opposite of a country ruled by a military junta that is loyal to Washington, in which the richest capitalists own the single export.
MechaCoqui@reddit
Move the goal post when confronted with facts that disprove your original statement lol.
softwarebuyer2015@reddit
How “massive “. Do you think a Venezuelan force can be ?
Best_Change4155@reddit
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/americas/venezuela-essequibo-guyana-csis-intl-latam
Thangoman@reddit
Im not talkimg about this, Im talking about the last decade of US intervention
moderngamer327@reddit
I HIGHLY doubt there is going to be an invasion. The US has moved to funding countries and giving them weapons rather than outright intervention/invasion. If the US does get directly involved I’d assume it would be more defensive in nature
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Everything we do is defensive in nature. Vietnam was defensive
LogOutGames@reddit
Iraq was also defensive - with them having weapons of mass destruction and all.
tyroleancock@reddit
Thats nice, but.....
In the year 2000 there were nine countries without a Rothschild owned or controlled Central Bank: Afghanistan Iraq Sudan Libya Cuba North Korea Iran Syria Venezuela
Electrical_Quality_6@reddit
head of a state run cartel trafficking tons of death illiciting drugs for money, killing millions of people worldwide
America has a duty and obligation to its people to respond and remove this filth from the face of the earth
A tomahawk missile well placed.
This will be the most important thing America can do for the future of south america though its worth mentioning Maduro is not the only one needed away.
YourTypicalDeveloper@reddit
Absolutely absurd.
sexaddic@reddit
Go away Russian bot
Super_Duper_Shy@reddit
Venezuela isn't running a cartel, the Trump administration just made that up.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Um. Are you using these said drugs? Because you aren’t making any sense.
Massive-Cow-7995@reddit
Jesus Crist, the hell is wrong with people...
TimeFlamingo8548@reddit
Oh yeah cause that's worked out well every other time America has no such duty they have interests Nothing is for free with them and if they do this it will not be for humanitarian reasons
Electrical_Quality_6@reddit
but that will be its final outcome nonetheless drug cartel states can’t be allowed to bloom and flourish
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
Let's not call for a politically-driven invasion, shall we? We know too well how it goes
Electrical_Quality_6@reddit
the war is already on. akin to the opium wars
this would be the start of the end to it
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
Aw yep
Massive-Cow-7995@reddit
Does that warrsnt an invasion? Not from my point of view especially since the conflic was gone back to being quiet ever since the last round of BS
If it was about protecting Guyana the US could negotiate with the Guyanese Goverment a defense treaty and make it clear for Venezuela no invasion would tolerated... but it isnt about that for real is it?
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
It would warrant an invasion if there actually was an offensive operation by Venezuela, which didn't materialize, plus Brazil and other SA nations already guaranteed their intervention in case this happens.
The USA has no reason to intervene now apart from simple opportunism and conquest thirst. Plus, it would end up being another Afghanistan situation, an infinite insurgency that ends nowhere. Let's leave the situation to South American nations who already are handling it
swelboy@reddit
Eh, it only really escalate into an insurgency if the US decided to occupy Venezuela proper, not simply push them out of Guyana.
Rebuilding a country like Venezuela would also be way easier than Afghanistan, in Afghanistan, it wasn’t about rebuilding institutions or infrastructure, but actually creating them in the first place, inside an incredibly decentralized country.
WheresMyHead532@reddit
“Rebuilding” you mean installing a dictator who’s a slave to US capital interests like we’ve done many times before in the global south?
idgafsendnudes@reddit
Can you fuck off bro? We’re trying to spread democracy and you’re getting in the way.
The plan is super simple. We topple the current regime, plant our own guy in power, ^(give ourselves the oil), and establish a functioning democracy that will last centuries ^(weeks)
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
The venezuelans have not invaded Guyana as per now
swelboy@reddit
Well yeah, ofc, what’s your point?
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
Sorry, I misunderstood your phrasing
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
In the end we probably will invade. And we will drag all SA nations with us along with Europe.
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
Why the hell would Europe go in? It wouldn't be a NATO operation, and the Monroe dictrine stands
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Because we make them. It doesn’t have to be a NATO operation. Just pressure France and UK to deploy troops in Venezuela.
That would be preferable because it would allow us to dodge the imperialist accusation that will arise from having our troops in Venezuela.
Also it is better to lose European soldiers than to lose American soldiers.
Czart@reddit
France didn't go with Iraq bullshit, you think they'll go with this? I think you overestimate US influence right now. Who's gonna pressure NATO allies? Trump? Vance? Lmao.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Yes. America has consolidated its power over Europe.
We have made sure no one in Europe ever opposes us over anything ever again.
America has total energy, economic, diplomatic and military sway over Europe. Taking out Nordstream was such a good move for us because now we control where they get their energy from
Meydra@reddit
More like moronic Emu.
Czart@reddit
Right. Which is why white house is crying about ukraine and things like DSA.
Mav_Learns_CS@reddit
There is almost zero chance the current admin would get European boots in SA
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
There is a very high chance that we could force European nations to send boots on the ground.
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
Like you forced us to stop aiding Ukraine and to not recognize Palestine and to intervene in a lot of your stupid adventures where we didn't actually intervene because they were your stupid adventures
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Are these positions you made up in your mind?
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
Nope, the ones that exist in reality and you refuse to accept their existence because it would go against your delusional and fentanyl-induced vision of the world
Mav_Learns_CS@reddit
For what? You leader has already cast enough doubt on his nato commitments, your vice president has repeatedly said Europe needs to deal with European issues. The USA should deal with its own imperialist issues then
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Who said anything about NATO?
revillio102@reddit
r/ShitamericansSay
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Given that they have oil, we will probably invade them in the future. Given our history.
redbeard_says_hi@reddit
What's with these young reddit accounts that only post about foreign policy from a fervent pro-West perspective? Why not spend some time coming up with a name for your fresh account that isn't completely randomized? Are yall that busy?
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
You all have glaucoma. No other explanations
evil_brain@reddit
He's not "claiming half of Guyana". It's a centuries old dispute caused by the British empire trying to steal indigenous land with no legal basis. The two countries have managed the issue peacefully so far and haven't shed any blood over it.
It's ridiculous that this is what western libs are pretending to care about when far worse horrors are happening elsewhere.
Scratch a liberal...
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
Don't you fucking dare call me a liberal again
MyCatIsLenin@reddit
Stop acting like one.
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
What the fuck have I even said that corresponds to the liberal philosophy? Are you that stupid?
MyCatIsLenin@reddit
You are giving cover for a Venezuela intervention with your dumb take imo.
Why would you say that shit when the US is seriously posturing to invade it? It's the shit liberals do when they talk about DPRK, or in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam.
Active-Walk-6402@reddit
I don't know if you have some kind of reading disability, but I must point you all the times in the original comment and in the rest of the thread where I specifically pointed out that an US invasion would be unacceptable because Venezuela has not invaded anyone yet and is unlikely to do so due to Brazil and other south american nationa making it very clear that they would step in if Venezuela does the funny.
Here I say it for the sixth time, at the very least. Let me know if you need me to copypaste it again
MyCatIsLenin@reddit
Now you're calling me disabled? You need to educate yourself and quit with your faux leftist shtick.
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