Firearm operation should be a core curriculum in schools
Posted by 12bEngie@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 135 comments
And by extension of course they’ll teach safety and stuff. It’s just crazy that they don’t have this already. We have such a wider social taboo around guns even though we have so many, and people still try and say it’s like the wild west here lol
RahVAMil8@reddit
Teachers are struggling trying to get these kids to learn how to read... Let's get that down first.
ArgieBee@reddit
That's basically on poor parenting and teachers increasingly not giving a shit, but demanding more pay (the average salary for a teacher is $74k in the US) than somebody who busts their ass all day shoveling shit or working on buildings in the sun.
RahVAMil8@reddit
Poor parenting? Sure. Teachers get shit on every day man and they do so much more than they're paid to do. I know so many that have to buy supplies for their kids when the districts think budgets every year. Starting teacher salaries are closer to 50k here in Virginia.
I'm a blue collar worker. I'm a union firefighter.
How about you stop bitching about your perception that teachers are getting overpaid and realize that the bosses are bleeding the workers dry. The guy busting their ass shovelling shit and working on a job site is underpaid and overworked too. Unless they inherited a house, not a single firefighter in my department can afford to own a home in the city we work in.
Don't blame the teachers. Blame the local, state, and federal governments for screwing teachers and students over.
Happy Labor Day.
missiongoalie35@reddit
EMS is shit on in general. It's the only career I know where you have a ton of responsibility and have peoples lives in your own hands at times but still have to do double overtime every week to be able to afford an apartment.
People want to complain about underpaid, now that field is underpaid. I made more working as a gun sales clerk at Cabela's than I do as an EMT and my paramedic partner makes just a little more than that.
RahVAMil8@reddit
The only career progression EMS has is further education like nursing or PA school and joining the fire service. I've been a dual role firefighter/aemt for six years. I love EMS but I'd never do standalone EMS.
missiongoalie35@reddit
Here's a good one for you. You shovel shit or work on buildings in the hot sun. Both very hard work no doubt. But, you're also usually able to get supplies provided to you. While teachers have to spend most of their own money on materials for their classes. Back in the days of 20 students, not a huge problem but more classes are reaching 35ish while prices of goods have increased, making it more challenging financially. There's also curriculum planning, grading, the actual teaching, facility goals or state goals and dealing with people's kids and are essentially a pseudo parent since the majority of relationships that have kids require both adults to work full time jobs.
Now both careers are hard in their own rights. Now what I don't understand is people's need to make it a dick measuring contest to see who struggles more. Stress is stress to the body. Has the same physiological response on the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. So why try to see who is struggling more when both of y'all are struggling? It's like one of y'all is starving and the other is dehydrated while in a desert trying to argue about who has it worst. Y'all both are in shit situations.
ArgieBee@reddit
I've met teachers. I know teachers. I have a few friends that teach. Hell, my sister taught for special needs for a bit before opening a Pscyhology practice. My dude, this isn't the 90s. Teachers generally don't buy their own shit now, beyond the odd teaching aid they couldn't get funded, and certainly not enough to make up the difference in pay from the average person. 35 is not a large class. It never was. It wasn't when I was a kid. Cirriculums don't take their entire off-period to write up. Most teachers I know mostly just do side hustles during that time to save up more money or do hobbies. Many of the teachers that have entered the workforce in recent times do "the actual teaching" by having you read and handing out worksheets while they dick on their phone now, and it's those same kinds of teachers that are the ones most vocally bitching and bemoaning about how kids are falling behind because we simply aren't throwing enough money at the problem.
Your entire perception of what teachers do in the modern era, how they act, and how fairly they are compensated is media propagana. At this point, "the teachers have a hard job and need to be paid more" is just the left wing equivalent of the Booomer Cons saying the same exact shit about police. It's dumb, feel-good, ego-waxing, pearl-clutching virtue signalling on both counts. Total bullshit that will continue to incentivize the decline of any real education in our country.
Drash1@reddit
True, but demystifying and villainizing guns would help out society a lot.
smokeyser@reddit
To be fair, shooting is WAY more fun than reading.
electromage@reddit
They could gamify it, like have a bad sentence printed out and the students need to shoot the errors away! Or do reactive targets set up with different forms of words, and you have to hit the right ones in order to fit the context.
smokeyser@reddit
Absolutely! Or have a target full of numbers and have them shoot the multiples of 9. There's lots of ways to make learning fun when you involve guns!
RoughTechnology4741@reddit
Take away their screens. That's what the problem is.
CiD7707@reddit
How about we actually encourage classes that deal with technology and identifying reliable peer reviewed sources?
You know, shit I was learning before the internet was a thing? We had classes devoted to learning how computers were used, how to use a keyboard, what was and what wasn't a reliable source of information.
It's not hard to have a phone caddy next to the teacher's desk. We had one for calculators.
But no, let's cut funding for schools and get rid of any sort of government agency that could actually address that. Instead we'll have no plan and no oversight. Genius.
Roboticus_Prime@reddit
Dude, education scores have done nothing buy fall ever since the DoE was formed.
Just throwing billions at a federal agency does not make local education better. That shit needs to go back to the states.
CiD7707@reddit
Meanwhile schools are building fucking literal football stadiums and adding LED screen scoreboard for football fields.
The major problem has been the misappropriation of funds into high school sports and not into actual academia.
Liberal states outpace conservative states in test scores and you damn well know it. Overall averages keep getting pulled down by states like Alabama, Mississippi, and Oklahoma. And who do we have to thank for that? The great state of Texas because for some fucking reason all the major decisions about what goes into.next years text books come from there.
But yeah, private for profit charter schools and religious affiliateds are totally going to make education scores improve.
Every time schools scores improve, Republicans fuck it all up just like the economy. Then democrats have to spend 4 years trying to fix the fuck ups while Republicans stand in the way and block legislation. All the while you fucking ignore it because its inconvenient and hurts your feelings to know you are constantly being lied to and gaslit.
BTW, when was Mexico supposed to pay for that wall? I forgot.
Roboticus_Prime@reddit
None of what you said is true. I'm also not going to waste my time on someone you won't do basic Google searches.
CiD7707@reddit
https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075
Republican states rank at the bottom. They pull down the national average.
You're the slippyfist that can't google for shit.
12bEngie@reddit (OP)
Wasn’t it moreso Common core? I agree still though
12bEngie@reddit (OP)
I wish there were more socialist oriented libertarians.
HighDragLowSpeed60G@reddit
They’ll take guns before they take away the Pandora’s box that is smart devices and internet
AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit
Why take away the screens? It keeps people distracted, propagandized, and has destroyed attention spans so the government can do whatever they want because people move on in 2 days.
HighDragLowSpeed60G@reddit
That’s what I’m saying they won’t
HWKII@reddit
When the 2A goes, the 1A will follow immediately after, so yes.
The problem is people who want teachers raising their kids because they can’t be bothered. It could not be easier to regulate screen time. 🤷🏻
RoughTechnology4741@reddit
Yes
bobeo@reddit
Boomer take.
missiongoalie35@reddit
Says a person currently on their screen.
STG_Resnov@reddit
Screens absolutely do get in the way of stuff like that. I teach kinder in a district that receives title 1 funding. Almost EVERY kid has a tablet or a phone. The only reading time they get is inside of class because they certainly won’t do it at home.
missiongoalie35@reddit
Sounds more like a parental problem as opposed to a child problem. We'll ignore that though.
RoughTechnology4741@reddit
Exactly. I'm speaking from experience.
missiongoalie35@reddit
But it's a useless comment. "Keep them off their screens." You can house hundreds of books on even the worst of devices. The average physical text book costs around $300-600 while digital costs roughly $150-200. Now add in the cost of books that are considered required reading and let's not forget more libraries are moving to e books instead of physical books because of larger amounts of storage and availability of material that can be accessed whenever.
Stop being an old ass and just accept that technology has advanced and isn't changing.
Chasing_Perfect_EDC@reddit
As someone who grew up when iPads and the like were being introduced to classrooms, it was a disaster. There were several attempts to make the devices strictly educational, but we were always able to bypass them and play games during class. And other things, according to some rumors.
missiongoalie35@reddit
You realize that was around 15 years ago and companies now strictly release devices that have an OS that is specifically for education, right?
Think of a car 15 years ago that was just getting into total vehicle electrical systems that still had relays whether they were internal or external. Now a computer system doesn't have those and takes care of all of that internally as long as it just has an appropriate power source. It's just like how V8s are being phased out for smaller engines because companies produce engines that are more powerful and efficient than their larger counterparts.
Chasing_Perfect_EDC@reddit
But is that what's actually being used? Not necessarily. My second cousins are still in highschool and doing the same shenanigans. I'm not against the idea in principle. It's the execution that has sucked.
missiongoalie35@reddit
We talking them using devices the school provides or personal devices? You're also talking about a difference between a targeted demographic where these are being used mostly by younger students in elementary and middle school levels of education. You're also trying to say it's a technology problem when in reality, it's an adolescent problem that is a biological change where youth partake in experimentation, challenging authority and being susceptible to peer pressure. All of which have been present in every generation.
Guess we will gloss over those as being factors and just say it's technology's fault.
Chasing_Perfect_EDC@reddit
School. My point is that, in at least one case, we are putting a device capable of, say, playing movies or videogames, in an adolescent's hands during an educational environment. Yes, it's normal adolescent behavior to abuse that privilege to a degree. Hell, when I do my continuing ed, half the adults in the classroom are on their phones. But you can't play games on a textbook. That's my only point here.
missiongoalie35@reddit
So we already established it's normal for students to not pay attention. How is that different than drawing on textbooks (which as we all know end up with some very artistic interpretations) or my favorite, spinning my pen around my finger? You're just replacing one medium for another. The end result is still the same.
Solidknowledge@reddit
Don't expect to get a thundering applause on this take, screens are doing some devastating stuff to our kids.
missiongoalie35@reddit
It does about as much as any other source of media that people use. That includes adults that take everything at face value and don't do any research. But we will gloss over that.
Solidknowledge@reddit
nah dawg. screens and the media consumed on them are a big issue that is affecting the kids.
Source: someone who had to remove screen use from his kids to help correct behavioral issues and had massive success.
missiongoalie35@reddit
It also has effects on adults. I'd say even worse because adults should have the critical thinking process to overcome what they are seeing but that ain't happening.
You're also stating personal experience as an overall fact while also saying one singular action caused a change instead of what is more likely a cumulative process that resulted in the desired change. But you do you.
RoughTechnology4741@reddit
I'm just hold out hope for a EMP from a solar flare
WhocaresToo@reddit
Never happened. I mean hell it's hard enough to even get music and art in school much less social studies or anything related to people skills, finance Management even if it's basic etc etc. I doubt highly this will ever happen regarding guns. Can you imagine the parents outside picketing at the very thought of this? Not in a million years with this fly
SlogTheNog@reddit
Given the limits on funding and time, firearms wouldn't be in the top 15 topics I'd resource.
ghablio@reddit
These kind of conversations are always crazy to me.
On one hand we recognize that political opinion and personal preferences have no place in schools when it comes to trans stuff.
But in the other we want guns in schools.
And neither side can seem to understand that's not what school is for. You know you are supposed to teach life skills as a parent right? School is for math, reading and history, not opinions, hobbies and life skills.
bitofgrit@reddit
You don't think schools are a place for "life skills"? Really?
Depending on the school and the time period, shooting is/has been a class/activity, much like archery.
Time and again anti-gun people say they want to require training as part of the gun ownership process. Why not start that training... in school? Much like driver's ed or home ec.
ghablio@reddit
I realize everyone might define this differently. So let me rephrase. School's should only deal with objective topics. Things that do not leave room for subjective interpretation. Math, science, history (in terms of what happened and when, events leading up to etc.), logic, nutrition, civics etc.
They also want the training to be "guns are bad so report them to the police". Regardless it's a controversial subject that really isn't a necessity in school. It's a want, not a need, and only for some people.
They also want training on how to transition and hide it from your parents. Should we take their recommendations on what to have in school now?
These aren't part of public school anymore, at least in the county I live in and the neighboring counties. Home ec isn't even an elective class anymore, it's totally gone. Driver's Ed is not available through the school, although they offer a low cost deal with a local driving school for low income students.
IMO topics that cannot be discussed objectively, or that are not a necessity for a student to learn, have no place being dished out by the government in a setting that you are required to send your children to under threat of imprisonment. For the same reason we don't want a president to have authoritarian rule just because we agree with them
bitofgrit@reddit
Considering the gulf between "what is" and "what should be", sure, that's an understandable position to take.
The problem is, I think it's safe to say that our schools are failing our kids.
If we've recognized a failure, we need to fix it. Offering up ideas on what could be done differently is at least a step in that direction. The specifics of this post may be somewhat "wishful thinking" at the moment, but the point remains that, on its face, it wouldn't be bad for kids to learn about guns.
What/how schools are teaching now is objectively not working (regarding core abilities of graduates) and subjectively... moronic. You even pointed out what kind of history kids should be taught, which is contrasted by the laughable BS we're seeing. (I'd make a halfhearted argument that guns could be part of civics, but meh.)
As you say, home ec and drivers' ed aren't taught anymore, and I believe that's a travesty. I'm not suggesting kids should have to make a five-star quality cordon bleu as a final to graduate, but, holy shit, they can at least be taught how to boil water. (I say that in jest, but then there are some stupendously uneducated [maybe even "diseducated"?] adult-ish people and I can't understand how they are allowed to roam about freely in public.) Classes like wood shop, metal shop, power mechanics, home ec, and even the artsy ones like ceramics, NEED to be brought back into the curriculum, not because it's important for kids to learn how to build a birdhouse, but because kids need to learn how to build. To make. To understand the how's and why's of the very streets they walk on. As you mention, the schools seem to be more interested in teaching little lgbt kids how to hide their lgbt-ness from their apparently super-abusive and super-bigoted and possibly murder-y parents, as well as watering down everything from history (which is full of racism) to math (which is racist) to reading and writing (which propagates racism or smthn idk), and, basically, all that shit needs to stop.
But just stopping it doesn't actually do anything unless an alternative is available.
Riiiiight, but it seems like you can agree it's not necessarily the topic itself, it's the nature of the teaching around it, yeah? They can all be discussed objectively, and some very well could be a necessity, especially if the alternative is abject ignorance over what could be, well, life-saving.
I don't suggest that we should demand firearm classes to start this upcoming school year. We have an unhealthy number of imbecilic teachers, principals, counselors, admin types, and too many other dumb things that are going on in the schools at the moment for that to be realistic. If we could even remotely come to our senses as a people (big ask, I know) then we could give the school system the enema it needs and deserves, restructure it, and bring back classes that help make for productive members of society. IMO, it would be beneficial if some of those classes centered or covered topics like firearms in, as you say, an objective manner.
missiongoalie35@reddit
The basic minimum I think we should do with things people are labeling as "life skills" should be things like cooking, understanding taxes and investment, home care, what to do in emergencies and even going to how to change a tire. I'll even toss in CPR and first aid because I honestly think everyone should know that.
The problem though is no one can agree on what should be taught. A school in CA may have higher standards in one field but has more less standards in another while a school in GA may have the complete opposite and neither side is willing to agree.
If we are talking a full blown standard, every school should have the same minimum standard in math, English and reading, science and history. That standard should be based off of what is currently the top five in the nation. The fact we have people in one state who can't read or struggle to while a different state is reading at higher levels is a travesty. Especially when that gap is based just off curriculum and not student capabilities.
ArgieBee@reddit
Honestly, like a solid 1/4 of my education was repeatedly teaching us that "racism is bad, mkay" with the Segregation era and Civil Rights era and how to do the same algebra we'd been doing for years. I don't think it's top priority, especially when absolutely nothing about balancing a budget or how interest rates work is taught now, but there's definitely a lot of fluff that could be cut out to make room for it.
Frozen_Thorn@reddit
That's what happens when you have to take the same classes over and over again.
ArgieBee@reddit
Yep. If kids don't get it with the first class and end up being beaten over the head with it, they just end up either rebelling and adopting a counterculture or not really fully understanding why racism is bad, then going out and developing extreme views on race in the other direction. They are not effectively addressing the issue with it.
unclefisty@reddit
Doesn't seem to have stuck for some people though.
bajasauce2025@reddit
Find one irl
unclefisty@reddit
Are you trying to make the argument that racist people don't exist? Because that sure is a hot take.
bajasauce2025@reddit
The argument is its not as widespread as anyone likes to say it is.
unclefisty@reddit
I said "some people" not exactly a broad sweeping statement.
xxmadshark33xx@reddit
I don’t think it should be its own class. I do think would be a great addition to a life skills class that would teach other things. Like finances, cooking, cleaning, and basic auto care.
816blackout@reddit
That’s how my school did it. We had a conversation class and they taught us how hunting is actually beneficial for the environment when done correctly of course and hew to safely and properly use real firearms all they did was take out the firing pins. We even took a field trip to the range! I will never forget it. This was in 2019 aswell
Cptawesome23@reddit
Kids can barely read. You want them to be expert gunfighter?
ChaoticRambo@reddit
Our schools dont teach basic financial literacy or any actual life skills. Not that this would be a bad thing to include, but we got a long way to go before this should take a priority.
ScienceWasLove@reddit
25 schools do teach personal finance to graduate. 13 more have it mandated by 2028.
Turns out kids don't pay attention either way.
2MGR@reddit
Exactly. I can't stand when people bitch about school not teaching them taxes. First of all, the school probably does have an accounting or finance class available. Secondly, those people wouldn't have paid attention regardless. Either way, a free YouTube search on a free computer in a free library will teach everything a person needs to know about taxes. It's all about making excuses.
ghablio@reddit
Admission to elective classes is not guaranteed. My school had a few classes that you had maybe a 25% chance of getting even if you applied every semester 9th-12th grade.
Simply offering a class is a BS deflection IMO.
Solemn926@reddit
Not to mention when I took the class that was offered, we were taught how to write checks and what micro/macroeconomics were. Had nothing to do with taxes or how to budget, no essential life skills.
ghablio@reddit
This is the gist of what I gather from my friends that were able to take the class in highschool. Was honestly glad I never got into it, probably learned more in the end because I had to learn it myself
Solemn926@reddit
True. Parents didn't have much insight on it because they were never taught and were in a bad spot for most of my childhood and teen years. I took some college classes despite not finishing my degree just to learn some stuff there. Then figured the rest out as I went. Now I'm 25, my fiancée and I close on our first home together this Friday, and I think the best way to learn is through experience. No class can teach you like life itself can.
ArgieBee@reddit
25 out of over 130k schools.
ScienceWasLove@reddit
I meant to say 25 states.
CiD7707@reddit
25 schools. Out of how many in this country?
ArgieBee@reddit
Over 130k.
ScienceWasLove@reddit
States. My bad.
12bEngie@reddit (OP)
Finance Law and Firearms would be a big three i’d push for. People are completely illiterate in all three
renasancedad@reddit
They don’t have a federal sex ed curriculum or even basic home finance curriculum and you want them to add firearm safety. Schools nationwide are indebted to and underfunded. Horrible idea.
Friendly-Place2497@reddit
After-school sport sure. But even if you thought it was important to teach all kids how to operate a firearm (I don’t), there’s simply not enough crucial information to form part of a core curriculum. Everything you really need to know could be taught in maybe 20 hours maximum, after that there would be nothing left but marksmanship practice which is again, really just a sport or a hobby once you get beyond minute of man competency. What you are proposing is significantly more than what the average person in the military gets.
ItsHisMajesty@reddit
Some schools used to. A local HS has or had a rifle range beneath the football field.
backwards_yoda@reddit
If the government shouldn't decide what, if any guns I should own why should it decide what my child learns in school?
Glittering_Ad3028@reddit
the history of American gun culture would be a pretty illuminating topic in school
unclefisty@reddit
GOP: More funding for public schools? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Dems: Guns not being demonized? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
OfficerBox@reddit
I am a social studies teacher and am hoping to teach firearms safety in school, but as a elective instead of a core class. I have a ways to go though as I definitely have to move to a different state with looser gun laws (I already planned on this) and then find a school district that is open minded enough to consider it… Needless to say I have a long way to go but it is a goal of mine!
AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit
Core? No.
Offered? Yes.
Firearm ownership is your right, and your choice. Not a requirement. If someone is opposed to firearms, they should not be forced to handle them.
BigoleDog8706@reddit
Absolutely not.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
Some schools still have 22LR rifle clubs. At one time some schools had a 22LR range in their basement. Trapshooting is currently a popular sport for students in some states. Long ago during hunting season some students would drive to high school and park in the school parking lot with their hunting rifle on the inside of the rear window of their trunk so they good go hunting after school.
A lot of things should be taught by parents but either they don't want to do it or are not qualified to do so. My father had a 22LR rifle in his closest for over 60 years but he never taught me about firearms. I doubt his rifle was fired after I was born or if it was fired it was when I was very young. It was something I was told to never touch. As I got older I had my own interests and they was no place to shoot it and none of my peers talked about firearms around me. One of my adult aged daughters was invited to shoot skeet with friends before I ever got my first firearm or even shot one. My wife actually got to shoot at a Women On Target event over 15 years before I shot a firearm.
The only thing some kids know about firearms and now that I know how to use them and know about safety rules I find all the mistakes Hollywood makes in TV shows and movies. Some kids see online videos of other kids dancing to music with firearms. So they are learning the wrong things.
Stack_Silver@reddit
There was a time when many schools had rifle teams.
People afraid of their own shadows make the laws and control the schools.
STJRedstorm@reddit
Sure Jan
Roboticus_Prime@reddit
It used to. Hell, un the 90s kids still had their shotguns un their truck for hunting or the trap club.
JackCooper_7274@reddit
My high school didn't even teach me how to write a resume mate. They're not going to do gun safety lmao.
Maleficent_Mix_8739@reddit
Old dude chiming in…..high school marksmanship classes USE to be a thing all over this country.
DryFoundation2323@reddit
It used to be a part of HS PE.
SnooCheesecakes2465@reddit
You used to be required to take hunters safety but that was 20yrs ago
CiD7707@reddit
Hunters safety was and should be a state sponsored extra curricular activity to obtain a hunting license. Not part of firearm ownership, but of basic wildlife conservation and rehabilitation like herd management programs.
SnooCheesecakes2465@reddit
Why not be both? Granted hunters safety was more focused on an ethical kill and conservation practice but the first rules were still safety
xTeamRwbyx@reddit
I remember taking that three day class when I was like 13 wish I still had the card they gave me, but it eventually deteriorated into nothing
yourMommaKnow@reddit
You are absolutely right. The 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere. Dems aren't taking our guns, and MAGA wants guns everywhere. Your best bet is to buy a firearm and learn how to use it and keep it safe. Teach your kids how to use them and how to operate them safely. We have a right that is in no danger of being taken away. Use that right responsibly.
RahVAMil8@reddit
Who confiscated guns in DC this past month? It wasn't the Democrats lol.
TPK_MastaTOHO@reddit
Everyone thinks because trump is Republican that he's pro gun. He's very anti-gun, he's a fucking newyorker lol
RahVAMil8@reddit
Exactly. So how about them Epstein files?
TPK_MastaTOHO@reddit
Can't say ive read them lol
RahVAMil8@reddit
I'm sure the gun grabber in chief has lol
TPK_MastaTOHO@reddit
Maybe he helped file the files haha
12bEngie@reddit (OP)
Magats are not pro gun.
ArgieBee@reddit
I mean, the people who support Trump generally want everybody to be able to own a gun under the context of it being a God-given right and the people who oppose him generally either want only the state to own guns or only the people that agree with them to own guns. Like, whatever the politicians say is kind of irrelevant when you're making statements on what their supporters actually believe. Very few people vote for somebody because they entirely represent their interests.
12bEngie@reddit (OP)
They want some people to be able to own a gun, with stipulations. If there was a group like the panthers now they’d be first in line pushing for more “common sense” gun control.
yourMommaKnow@reddit
I think they are. As long as the owner is white and male.
Kinet1ca@reddit
Forgot being straight, straight white and male. Bonus points if you're Christian, well, as long as you identify as Christian...
Agammamon@reddit
The kids who need this the most won't pay attention to it.
stocky789@reddit
With all the other bullshit they teach in school I think they could put in a few attainment classes around it
EverythingBullpup@reddit
I'd volunteer for the high school multigun team.
I'm amazed how it's not America's favorite past-time.
ReverendReed@reddit
I used to support this, but I'm not sure if I do anymore.
I don't trust teachers to teach it, and I'm not sure if I want more of teenagers knowing how to use them.
At this point, I'm almost content to have kids be told "Don't touch, get an adult".
Until our kids are doing better in general, let's let schools stick to the basics as much as possible until they can get it right.
S_Dot_Diggity@reddit
I think the teacher’s unions are too busy teaching our children GeNdEr StUdIeS and anti-American history
Why teach a kid firearm safety when they could confuse them into hating themselves and the country they call home instead?
“Trump is a fAsCisT” - Biden was the best “president” in history - boys are girls and should compete in girl’s sports and use the girl’s restroom - America is the most racist country in the world (that’s why hundreds of thousands of immigrants risk their lives to come here every year, don’t ya know 🙄) White peoples are evil - etc etc etc
Underwater_Karma@reddit
It was when I was in school
Paulinapeak1@reddit
absolutely not. funding is already a huge issue, and putting firearms in the hands of students is unequivocally a terrible idea. i wouldn’t trust 9/10 people in my high school with a firearm.
12bEngie@reddit (OP)
who said anything about giving them loaded guns lol
highvelocitypeasoup@reddit
Or even real guns for that matter. You can teach gun safety with plastic replicas
12bEngie@reddit (OP)
Yep. Real guns could be restricted to like actual hobbyist shooting and hunting clubs
Wangelin1983@reddit
Homeschool your children…not kidding.
ArgieBee@reddit
It wasn't core curriculum, but back when my dad was a kid it was something you could sign up for to participate in a shooting club. There are still some high school, USPSA and SCSA leagues today, but those are different to just going to a plot behind the school and plinking. They're more like regional, or even national, sports teams.
RabicanShiver@reddit
Surely you understand the cultural divide between leftists who run most of the schools and those of us who support responsible firearm ownership.
Cdwollan@reddit
That's what I want, people who don't actually know the curriculum to teach kids about firearm operation.
Dragon464@reddit
I'd include it in Health & Hygiene.
hobbestigertx@reddit
Firearms classes in Jr. High School were common 50 years ago. My Jr. and High school had a skeet & trap team and a small bore rifle team, not to mention "outdoors" classes that covered firearm safety, hunting & fishing laws, etc.
A better question to ask might be this... We pretty much reduced the teen pregnancy problems to manageable levels with education. Why can't the same work for firearms?
TPK_MastaTOHO@reddit
I'm all for that although, I think a good nutritional meal for lunch would be better. I feel like my kid learns way more at home than at school anyway, and she knows her firearm safety, but I know not every kid has access to firearms or if they do they probably have no one or some idiot show them how to operate them safely
stellerfirearmsstora@reddit
Exactly. We already live in a country with millions of firearms, yet most people graduate without the slightest clue how they work or how to handle them safely. Making firearm operation and safety part of the core curriculum isn’t about glamorizing guns—it’s about education, responsibility, and reducing accidents. The taboo around even discussing firearms just leaves people ignorant, which is far more dangerous.
10gaugetantrum@reddit
I support this argument in my preferred echo chamber.
thezentex@reddit
If your homeschooled it can be :)
Jacknotch@reddit
Nah, just toss it into JROTC. Public schools are already in pretty bad shape with all the stuff on their plates.
SnooCheesecakes2465@reddit
If all the kids were armed than 1 bad aple would have a hard time
wildraft1@reddit
WTF?
SnooCheesecakes2465@reddit
/s
5cott@reddit
It used to be part of physical education, or at minimum a high school elective or extracurricular activity. A lot of that changed after Columbine, and then 9/11. Marksmanship sports were like any other school teams, competitive at regional and state levels, and potentially beyond that.
quikmcmuffins@reddit
Wanna keep kids safe? Dedicate 3 cops minimum at every school, holy place, any where kids are at. With rhe expressed intent to stop any violence. Thats it smash mooting problem curbed
danvapes_@reddit
Waste of resources considering education funding is already constrained enough as is. Teachers are having a difficult enough time teaching the material they do now.
PapaBobcat@reddit
A basic firearms safety class once a year, scaled age appropriately, is a good idea. Along with CPR, basic first aid, fire extinguishers and such. Little kids are easy "Don't touch! Get an adult!" etc. Going up from there to clearing/checking for older kids. No shooting necessary.
short_barrel_daddy@reddit
The second is designed to keep the gov in check and you really think gov ran schools will provide aide in that? Theyd rather tech your son its ok to chop his pistol off and make future generations weak
kingjulian007@reddit
This should be up to the parents, or other family members.
Teachers have plenty to deal with already.
missiongoalie35@reddit
No. We are at the point where there are already too many students per teacher, creative activities funding being drastically cut, cost of food lunches increasing, lack of school sponsored extracurricular activities and can't even pay teachers wages that make the teaching pipeline sustainable.
This is a backburner thing and should no way be considered a core curriculum. Elective? Sure but even then that will be student funded which will ultimately be more expensive than learning from an experienced shooter privately in the family.