Windows strikes (out) again
Posted by Phydoux@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 74 comments
My daughter just installed Linux Mint on her PC because of this whole windows 11 debacle. It gave her that error code and she couldn't use her computer for work with Windows 11. Great job Microsoft...
Proud daddy right here!.
Martok721@reddit
I ditched Windows back in 2008. I installed multiple distros, but stayed with Mint as my daily driver. I still test other distros on my other PC just to play around and see what it's like.
I was also fixing computers in an old folks community a few years back. 90% of the time, their computers would be loaded with malware and viruses because they would open every email that came in. I would have them navigate around my laptop, which had Mint installed, to see if they were comfortable with it. 100% of the time, they loved it, so I installed it for them, Also, I have my whole family using Mint.
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
My dad is still running windows 7 on his old PC. I told him that's not a good idea. Im trying to get him to switch to Linux Mint. I even sent him the USB stick with the Cinnamon edition on it. I told him to just boot into the live environment and just look around in it. Get a feel for it. I think he did do that but he says he'd have to back everything up from his windows drive. I'm half tempted to order a 1TB ssd for him and just tell him to pull out his windows drive and install Mint on the new drive.
Martok721@reddit
You can actually install Mint on the drive at your house and send it to him after it's installed. I did that for a friend of mine who lives in CA. He can then back up his stuff and put it on the new drive.
That's the good thing about Linux. You can pull the drive out of one machine and put it in another. It will automatically set everything up, including printers.
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
Hmmm. So, it doesn't need the install disk/USB to figure out where it's at? I ask because I have a home made machine and I believe my Dad has an HP. So, I'm concerned about the driver issues. Also, I use the AMD Radeon Video Cards in all of my systems. Not sure if he's got Nvidia in his machine or not.
But an interesting idea. I might just tinker with that next weekend (super busy this evening and probably tomorrow as well).
Martok721@reddit
No, it does not matter. When the drive goes into the new machine, it should configure itself.
darkon@reddit
I've never used Windows 11. What error is this?
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
It's the SSD Error that came with KB5063878. Microsoft says it's not their fault (as usual). I guess they're saying you have an old computer or the hard drive is old and failing but this happened to my daughters PC and her computer is only a year old. So the hard drive is not failing. In fact, Linux is running like a charm on that computer. She's installed almost all the games she was playing on that Windows computer and the games she says run fine.
So, it being a drive issue... IDK. Sounds like they're looking for something/someone else to blame.
Actually, I'd be interested to know how many people have switched to Linux BECAUSE of this update by Microsoft.
And, just how many were on the fence about switching to Linux from Windows but heard about it and or experienced this and said 'F*** it' and switched.
I think those would be interesting statistics for sure. My daughter was not on the fence about Linux when this happened. But her computer was no longer booting so switching to Linux proved that there's nothing wrong with the computer or the hardware itself. Just the software that WAS on it.
Whitedude47@reddit
I’m going to ask about your experience switching because I’m thinking of doing the same BECAUSE of Microsoft’s decision with Windows 11
SukiCZ@reddit
my girlfriend couldn't upgrade to win11 because of the TPM module, so I've installed Linux Mint Debian Edition as dual-boot option. I haven't seen her using the windows.
you can check DistoSea and pick your favorite Linux/Desktop environment (I would suggest something Debian based for newcomers), create a bootable USB drive with that Linux, try it locally before installation and install it - even as dual-boot.
for running games, there is a Proton (build-in to Steam) and for windows apps WinApps but many apps are native for Linux (Firefox, Chrome, VLC,...) or you can find alternatives (Open Office, Gimp,...).
good luck 🍀
psych0ticmonk@reddit
This is somewhat a frequent claim. Sometimes Microsoft does issue bad updates and sometimes issue is not because of them.
Hey if Linux solves the issue. Great but this isn’t something that is known for sure as even tech focused YouTubers who are known for being knowledgeable and impartial haven’t found the root cause or evidence that an update caused this.
I say this cause I like to be fair. Give criticism when it is deserved.
LovelyDayHere@reddit
If it happens on Windows but doesn't happen on Linux, it's a software issue.
An OS issue that screws up important information on disk to me means that the responsible component of the OS, or the entire OS if the fault cannot be isolated responsible, gets dumped in the trash and something reliable used instead.
psych0ticmonk@reddit
I once had a defective disk. Windows took issue with it immediately. Linux did not until later after some use then I had problems. Now is windows a problem in that scenario?
LovelyDayHere@reddit
No, of course it is not a problem in that scenario.
psych0ticmonk@reddit
in order to assign blame, there needs to be proof
LovelyDayHere@reddit
The proof is in the pudding.
I've never had a problem with a filesystem on Linux during the last 20+ years.
repocin@reddit
Good for you, but there's evidence pointing to the culprit possibly being a firmware issue in certain Phison SSD controllers that the recent Windows update just happened to trigger.
Kruug@reddit
Anecdotal evidence is not proof.
psych0ticmonk@reddit
that's not really proof.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
I had someone call me a Microsoft shill for saying that the storage thing was Microsoft's fault. Something is very wrong with Microsoft shills.
darkon@reddit
Good for her.
psych0ticmonk@reddit
He doesn’t specify but I am assuming during the installation process the installer will check if you have the TPM module. If not, it will error saying the installation cannot proceed.
This isn’t a major thing as you can just use Rufus to disable this requirement.
barfightbob@reddit
For now.
darkon@reddit
Thanks!
"Do you have the TPM module? Because that's what we're using now. So I'm gonna need you to use it from now on, okay? That would be grreat."
LuckyEmoKid@reddit
Oh and I'm going to need you to go ahead and come in on Saturday, mmkay? Thanks a bunch!
dack42@reddit
Also, most machines do have TPM 2.0. Sometimes it's disabled, and you just need to enable it in UEFI/BIOS.
DJDecstasy@reddit
Windows 11 is the error.
thevladsoft@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbFIUu_7LIc
Zen1_618@reddit
that error code is the worst.
Frozen_Membrane@reddit
Don’t blame her when the microsoft forums just tell people to run ‘’DISM’’and ‘’sfc /scannow’’ like thats going to fix every issue.
bumtras@reddit
To be fair, when I was using Windows "sfc /scannow" fixed like 50% of my problems.
H0t4p1netr33S@reddit
Those commands are the religious sacrament of hell desk. They make it look like you’re already doing something on a customers PC while you troubleshoot the actual problem they’re having.
McGuirk808@reddit
I think I'm out of the loop. What error code are we talking about?
DirkKuijt69420@reddit
PEBKAC.
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
Especially when it's enough to turn someone to another OS...
jlotz51@reddit
I'm not a newbie with Linux or UNIX, so I was shocked when I came across my second installation problem with Ubuntu on an old HP laptop. I also could not load it as a dual boot on a fairly new HP laptop.
Like all of you, I have zero patience with Windows.
But my problem is that HP has been fiddling around with their disk management firmware. Linux doesn't use their configuration, and I can't lose the Windows 11 on the newer laptop because of one important software. I looked at the instructions to turn off this feature, but it warns of data loss.
So I went to my older clunky laptop that I still love. I decided that I didn't need Windows on this one at all. It was previously set up as a dual boot with Ubuntu Studio, which was fun at first, but I didn't need all of the packages.
So I attempted to load Ubuntu on as the solo OS and boom it will not boot. If I understand correctly, Hp was playing around with their disk management on this earlier laptop too! But using a different tool so it didn't throw any warnings.
I'm 74. I've used and supported UNIX and Linux since I was in my 30s. I have never seen this crap before nor did I expect it. C R A P !
MountfordDr@reddit
Ubuntu has dropped 32-bit support. Can this be the problem with your ”older clunky laptop”?
emma_luma@reddit
Even Debian dropped i386.
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
Computer companies have been in bed with Microsoft for years. But this designing PCs and laptops to require windows to function is a huge mistake on PC manufacturers. Even if I still used windows, I would not be happy with that especially if i needed a laptop. I've built pretty much every computer I've ever used (with the exception of the IBM ThinkServer i had before my current PC but i received 4 of them for free so, I used it. My wife has one and Ihad 2 on a shelf... now there's 3 on the shelf).
Anyway, I dont think I would ever put myself in a position where the motherboard relies heavily on the OS... not good.
Kelvin62@reddit
Can you just keep Windows 10 and not upgrade if you have an older machine?
Dont_tase_me_bruh694@reddit
Not advisable. After a short period of no security updates it will be jam packed with malware, Trojans etc. Google windows xp connected to internet, or something like that.
pppjurac@reddit
Unless you have really dirty and bad computing habits it is not a problem.
Don't install just about any bloody msi/exe installer you come upon, see for updated antivirus, proper software firewall and use non-admin account for day to day usage.
XP is antiquity for OS , noone sane will search for it and install it .
duplicati83@reddit
Look into Windows 10 IoT LTSC. gets security updates till 2032 or something.
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
Probably not a great idea. Security isn't great right now with Windows 10 since they stopped sending updates (Windows 10 security = Non-existent). It's like running Windows XP on a computer connected to the internet without any firewall protection or antivirus protection...
dack42@reddit
They haven't stopped updating it yet - EOL is Oct 14.
Dr_Tron@reddit
Technically, yes, but it won't get any security fixes anymore. And there surely are some, which will get discovered and exploited eventually.
pppjurac@reddit
Another bloody post "Windows bad, linux good, give me karma"
Danoga_Poe@reddit
Use her computer for work? Work should provide a PC for them to use
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
They gave her a laptop but she needs multi monitors. I don't know if that laptop has a separate monitor connection. But she's very happy with Linux at this point.
ElephantWithBlueEyes@reddit
Ah yes, "intellectual elitism" of linux community.
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
Lucky thing i put an AMD Radeon graphics card in her computer when I built it then, huh...
That's the one thing many people don't know. It's a shame that Nvidia still has some issues with Linux but I hear that it's getting better but still not great.
But all I buy now are AMD Radeon cards.
Wide-Lengthiness-775@reddit
I have two Alienware machines, both desktops. One is all AMD, and the newer one features a 4090 and an Intel 14th-gen i9 processor. The i9 machine has been back to DELL three times and had the motherboard replaced twice at my home. I have never had a problem with the AMD machine. It is not always a Microsoft problem. IMO.
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
Heh, I don't want to start a war about brand name computers but... Dell... I have never heard a good thing about their computers. But their network hardware is pretty decent I must say.
Wide-Lengthiness-775@reddit
As I mentioned, my Alienware R-14, an AMD-based machine, has never had a problem, whereas my R-16 machine has been terrible. My R-16 machine has an Intel i9 14th-gen CPU and an Nvidia 4090 GPU, both of which are the cause of my problems, in my opinion, which may be wrong. I might also be afflicted with the "sunk cost fallacy." I have lost much of the trust I had in DELL because of this experience. In my defence, I just didn't feel up to building my own gaming system (I will be 80 yo in a few days).
SEI_JAKU@reddit
This is an Nvidia problem, not a Linux one. It's also not time consuming anyway.
You have been very lucky.
c_creme@reddit
If that error code ever shows up on my second boot, I'm going to wipe it and just hand it over to Linux.
Thin ice windows, thin ice.
OpeningLength5531@reddit
Well that is how I switched to Linux my windows partition decided to die and I haven't looked back since
mystirc@reddit
also, windows sometimes just randomly breaks for no reason and so i gotta reinstall the whole os again. It is way easier to diagnose the problem on linux and even easier to fix it.
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
So agreed!
goonwild18@reddit
People who tie their identity to an operating system are absolutely the saddest people alive. It's disturbing. The purpose of an operating system is to enable applications, not to become a religion. Some of ya'll need to step away from the keyboard.
OP, you in particular - do not pass this trait to your daughter by teaching her to focus / worship things that have no value.
Panniba1@reddit
Oh my god I am proud of her too.
formegadriverscustom@reddit
This is /r/linux, not /r/WindowsSucks.
Street-Witness-1510@reddit
You can create a bootable USB using Rufus and bypass requirement check. It's really easy.
theriddick2015@reddit
I presume your installing linux on the same drive partitioned off?
I try to recommend people use a separate drive, even a fast USB SSD drive is better then mixing in with windows partitioning behaviour.
FieryFuchsiaFox@reddit
The importance and headaches this saves when duel booting is so massively underestimated.
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
As far as I know, she repartioned and formatted the entire drive.
AdhesivenessSea6655@reddit
I'm sorry about your problem and I'm sorry I can't help with it , I hope u allow me to share mine with yall!
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
I have no problem. And now, neither does my daughter. Which puts my mind at ease. Being 1800 miles away now, it's hard for me to be her computer tech.
AdhesivenessSea6655@reddit
I'm really new to reddit , I didn't read ur post completely..I'm so sorry that my comment made u guys upset , ididnt meant any thing..., just wanted to share with u my big problem but idk how to use reddit..
ArtichokeRelevant211@reddit
r/LinuxCirclejerk
ipaqmaster@reddit
That's all I could think of too.
mhplog_4444@reddit
I moved a couple of family members to Linux (LMDE) because of Windows 11 requirements. Problem solved. No money spent and fine working hardware trashed.
NotSnakePliskin@reddit
Right on dad. A few years ago I bought a few used HP Elitebook latops from a pal & put Mint on them. Gave one to my 13 yr old at the time grand daughter, and only gave her the password to it. She was up and rocking in no time. Gave another to her mom and she's been using it as she had no other option. Our son is seeing the light, dual booting a windows laptop with Mint. He's also going to test drive a GrapheneOS phone which I've got sitting on a shelf.
Phydoux@reddit (OP)
Funny thing is, I just briefly mentioned to her about a week or two ago to check and see if her games will run on Linux and if she can use her computer for work as well (she works from home and uses the computer to run the software needed for her job). I told her if it's all web based, try connecting to it with Firefox which comes with Mint. She hasn't gotten back to me on the work related stuff yet but she's pretty happy with the gaming aspect of it for sure.
BinkReddit@reddit
Bye bye Windohs!