Feeling discouraged. Should I cut my losses?
Posted by Short-Tangerine9797@reddit | projectcar | View on Reddit | 121 comments
I picked up this 2002 F150 from a neighbor for 800 bucks the other week. I’m no mechanic but I’d always wanted to learn how to fix up a car. I figured for the price it would be a good starter project, especially since it runs. I could tell it needed some work. I noticed it had some rust on the body (rockers) and some surface rust on some of the underside of the truck. Plus it had 179k miles and didn’t appear to have been maintained all that well.
I started with typical maintenance (fluids, filters, etc) to get it to a baseline. I figured I should remove the plastic bed liner so I could see what I was working with. I knew I’d find some rust but I wasn’t expecting nearly this much. When I saw it my stomach sunk. For some this may be a typical part of a restoration. But for me, it feels like I’ve bitten off more than I can chew. I don’t know how to weld and I imagine this would be a big project.
Are there any alternative solutions? Or do I cut my losses and sell it as-is? It’s especially discouraging because I wanted to use the truck to haul stuff, but with this much rust it seems like the bed is for sure compromised.
Any advice would be appreciated, thank you😕
User_914924@reddit
If the frame and the bed mounting points are in good condition, then you def. can replace the bed.
BRADEY-BUNCH@reddit
Beds for those should be a dime a dozen, and are relatively easy to replace, you got this man! Look up a good tutorial and try to find a decent bed.
Short-Tangerine9797@reddit (OP)
Thank you 🙏 I’ll look into bed replacement and tutorials. As a newbie it sounds intimidating, but I will see what I can do! I appreciate the support!!
cloaker1308@reddit
Yeah honestly as long as the frame is still good and it's just the bed rotted out you can probably get away with doing it for $500-$1000 max!
bdjsowksnfbdnsnsk@reddit
Find a local junkyard, you’ll learn hands on how to put it on by taking one off too
Roll_of_Nickels@reddit
It’s super easy, you’ll just need some help to lift it off the frame. You can check car-part.com to find the bed. There’s usually pictures which is nice, and also phone numbers for each place in case you have any questions.
After the main bolts, all you really have to do is disconnect the filler neck, take off the taillights, and untie any cables that are mounted to the bed. As big of a job as it sounds, it’s pretty straightforward but it’ll give you some confidence for the future.
Also get some pb blaster to soak the bolts if they’re rusty, it’ll save you a headache
elroddo74@reddit
Can even be done solo with a come along or chainfall.
SensualBeefLoaf@reddit
i’ve done it solo on my taco. disconnected the bed, pulled off the electrical, rolled the old bed off one side, cut it up. rolled the new bed on the same side. reassemble, take leftover metal and plastic to the recycler
Ragecomicwhatsthat@reddit
Changing beds for a pickup truck is pretty much as easy as taking the lights out, marking the light sockets correctly, undoing 6 bolts, and having some friends help move the heavy ass bed.
Oh and the fuel filler neck
ferretkona@reddit
Most truck beds can be used on other makes, My fil used to drive his tan F350 with a very much older red bed. A lot of people love a flatbed, you can make your own.
BRADEY-BUNCH@reddit
Oh totally, I get it man. I just spent six hours doing motor mounts on my Miata, and that’s just because I’m learning. Everyone has to start somewhere, and self doubt is normal, but put your mind to it, and anything is possible man
Fearless-Minimum-922@reddit
The hardest part is finding some strong individuals to help you lift it up lmao, a bed swap is not that hard man. Just don’t start ripping out the wire harness, label where the ends go
PM_Me_A_High-Five@reddit
I did it on an old rusty Toyota. Beds are really easy to replace and you can coat the frame while you’re there.
Joggingmusic@reddit
Just read / watch videos. Soak up information. And be prepared to not have something that is road worthy for a while. Like a long while. Just understand it’s normal! Patience is critical here. Long as you’re moving forward whether through accumulating knowledge or actually action on the vehicle - long as it’s moving forward. That’s it.
I started in same boat as you in 2018. Up to that point the most intense thing I had done was a radiator replacement. Beyond that just brake pads and oil changes. That’s it.
I’ve now redone brake lines including doing my own flares, redone all suspension on a 92 capri, gutted and reinstalled the interior. Bearings, CV axles, new fuel tanks, thermostats, exhaust work. All things I had zero clue how to do myself. But I just camped out on Facebook groups and just obsessed over learning about the unknowns and just going for it and not sweating if I fucked up.
You got this!
jbjhill@reddit
Great advice!
I remember how intimidated I was to clean a scooter carb the first time. I looked into buying a whole new one to try to avoid having to figure it out. Suffice to say I’m well past that hang up.
Vauderye@reddit
Bed is easy.... just do NOT strip the bed bolts. Apply penetrant. Get a quality TORX and put valve grinding compound on the end of it for grip. I got my bed at PNP for 150 or so... half price sale. Don't forget to unscrew the filler neck.
Draked1@reddit
Pick up a used engine hoist, a bed swap can be done solo using just an engine hoist. I changed the fuel pump solo on my 2017 f150 by picking up the bed with my hoisy
shady_mcgee@reddit
Everything is intimidating the first time you do it but getting over the fear and actually doing the job is how we level up.
YouTube is amazing. For almost every task you can find a dozen videos of someone who has been kind enough to record the process of doing exactly what you want to do. Watch the videos, pay attention to the tools that they use and equipment required. If you can follow the steps and understand what's going on in the video and have access to the tools required you can do the job.
papabear1215@reddit
How is the frame????
Esoteric-Bibliotheca@reddit
Hey man, I work in autobody. We do rusty bed replacements all the time.
It's just four bolts to remove the bed (usually torx but not always the case), all electronic plugs can be found below the rear of the bed (typically).
Don't bother with reusing the old bots, you want to look for something similar to this: https://www.amazon.ca/FEXON-1997-2014-2006-2008-W708605-S436-W709424-S901/dp/B083BL76B7
Rockauto probably has the better replacement bolts and clips, don't use those amazon ones.
If you have any questions feel free to hit me up.
PaddyBoy1994@reddit
check your local junkyards for a bed, homie, lots of those trucks in junkyards EVERYWHERE.
JKLman97@reddit
It’s like less than 10 bolts to unsecure it from the frame. Then skill/violence to get it removed. Or a tow strap and a tree (for legal reasons that’s a joke).
EEpromChip@reddit
I mean you can literally rip that thing off and build a flatbed for it. Or drop on a new bed.
Don't get overwhelmed. Eat that elephant one bite at a time my dude.
ShiggitySwiggity@reddit
It's easier than it looks. It's only scary because it's big. It's actually pretty simple. They're just bolted onto the frame. The hardest part is going to be getting the old bolts off. Then you just move the taillights, filler neck bits, etc. It's 6 or 8 bolts, usually. You will maybe have to remove the bumper, and depending on the truck there's one or two ground straps for the taillights.
In your particular case I'm betting most of those bolts won't be reusable. A grinder with a cutoff wheel (and for fucks sake wear a face shield) is gonna be your friend. Buy replacement hardware in any case - reusing old rusty bolts sucks.
You can hoist the new bed, or make a frame with a few two by fours and drive under it, or just get a few friends to help you huck it on there. A normal bed weighs 400-500 pounds. 4 reasonably sturdy guys can pick one up and move it on there, usually with a bit of cussing.
A quick check of eBay shows beds in the $800-1600 range, but your local junkyard oughta be able to set you up, probably for a bit less.
kingganjaguru@reddit
You can handle it!!
fighterG@reddit
It is common practice in the rust belt to remove an old bed and out a new one on.
Should be fairly straightforward! Unbolt the bed from the frame, detach electrical, remove and replace. The beds are light enough that one person on each side can pick it up and move it.
misterdudebro@reddit
This is the best suggestion. Truck bed swaps aren't all too difficult with the help of some friends and a few brewskies.
I_dig_fe@reddit
The fuck are you smoking? No truck bed is cheap, ever
SensualBeefLoaf@reddit
i’ve gotten truck beds for 5-600 bucks. it’s not bad.
crazyabootmycollies@reddit
Plenty on car-part.com for this era F150 for $500-800. OP might even be able to do better lurking Craigslist or FB groups/Marketplace.
BRADEY-BUNCH@reddit
Yeah I don’t know about that pal, my buddy just picked up a whole ‘01 ranger with good body and frame but with no engine for $500, they’re out there
CrudBert@reddit
I agree, bed replacement is the way to go. Look at Pull a Part junkyards as well ( or any other one). Most wrecks happen the front - so finding a nice truck bed is usually easy. Some junk yards can be paid to remove it off the old truck and put it on yours for you.
Populargrandfather@reddit
The real question is how does the frame look? Beds can be swapped generally any bodyshop can do it for a couple 100 bucks but if the fame is cooked would be better to buy another 10th gen
thunder_lloyd@reddit
How's the frame look??
Fulllyy@reddit
Replace the bed. Look for a used part in an area or state that doesn’t have snow/salt treated ice, etc…places like that are less likely to have rust through problem vehicles, once you get a replacement part you’re probably going to need a buddy or two to help you with the actual job, but it’s a medium sized job.
Before you do that though: check your frame, the rest of the car…you don’t want to buy a low rust part for a truck whose entire frame is just flakes or rust waiting to rattle apart, make sure there’s no serious rust through on the frame.
Good luck 👍
Hsnthethird@reddit
Just get a cheap bed for it, there’s lots of them. Keep in mind these trucks are worth very little money so really wouldn’t dump a lot into this thing unless you just really love this particular truck or something
_Internet_Trash_@reddit
Just buy some scrap metal a box of pop rivets and some spay paint. Or put the bed cover back and save your money for something more dire.
eejjkk@reddit
You can get a replacement bed from pretty much any junkyard. Probably in that same color. And believe it or not, nobody is born with an innate ability to weld metal.
Short-Tangerine9797@reddit (OP)
I just need to get over the self doubt. But you’re right. If I’m serious about it and take my time I can learn. I appreciate it
SensualBeefLoaf@reddit
if you’re considering giving up anyway, the fuck do you have to lose. take time with it. trucks can be driven without a bed. just zip tie the brake lights to the bumper till you’re ready to put the new bed on.
if you fuck it up, take some time to figure out how to unfuck it.. you got this bro.
Gavitir@reddit
You're going to fail. But it's okay! Don't be afraid to fail. The important part is to keep attacking it and keep going even if the failure makes you feel bad. That is still a great truck and you'll look back at this fondly some day.
SensualBeefLoaf@reddit
it’s just the bed. replace it with a better one or buy a flatbed. it’s like an hour of work by yourself or like 30 mins with a friend. i think it’s like 5 bolts or something stupid to remove it. undercoat the new bed.
show_me_that_upvote@reddit
If you don’t think about giving up and setting it on fire at least a few times in the process, are you really fixing it up? Keep going!
davidwal83@reddit
Yeah a bed from Florida. Ford sold tons of F150s in Florida. I see them on the roads all the time.
D0z3rD04@reddit
Man look up pick and pull yards, usually they have fair prices and you can go in and learn how to remove a bed.
TheDarkChunk7@reddit
If all youre worried about is the bed, you got this bro! Price one out at a junk yard or see if you can find one new for a decent price. The work ain't too hard
Thesplash94@reddit
Bro, just unbolt the bed and find a non-rusty one. Is the rust bad anywhere else?
Short-Tangerine9797@reddit (OP)
This seems like the worst of it. The rocker panels are in rough shape but that’s not a major concern for me. Then it seems like the bottom just has some surface rust.
Thank you for the suggestion! I will look into it! You guys make it sound easy which is encouraging to me hahaha
titoscoachspeecher@reddit
Taking a truck bed off is either 6-8 bolts -- you probably want a second person but they lift up fairly easily. Really doesn't take much, just cumbersome.
Getting discouraged is ok with projects, but if thats the only major issue, keep truckin!
flapsmcgee@reddit
6 to 8 rusty ass frozen on bolts.
Das-Wauto@reddit
Can’t fight you if it’s a liquid.
psyk0pengwin@reddit
We all got to learn sometime and the only way to do it is to try. I needed to replace the fuel tank on my 86 ranger which required taking off the bed. Thought it sounded really intimidating....turns out after a quick course on YouTube university the hardest part was waiting the 15 minutes for a friend to help me take it off the frame. The good news is you picked a great platform. Anything you want to do has been discussed, filmed, and spelled out over and over with this kind of truck.
JohnPaulJonesJr@reddit
Just buy a used bed off another truck and replace it. If you struggle with the old bolts, just remember: it can't be stuck if it's a liquid. Get new bolts and bushings. Consider doing the cab mounting bushings at the same time. Be prepared to find more rust. Treat it and move on.
docterk@reddit
Honestly, if you could have rust anywhere on a truck, this is where I would want it. Rock it as it is for awhile until you have the time to replace the bed. This is no biggie
notcanadian69@reddit
Be prepared if you do take the bed off, that the rear of your frame rails may be Swiss cheese. My truck was in decent shape other than the bed (cargo floor looked the same as yours). I pulled the bed off and had to replace the rear sections of the frame they were so bad. Couldn't fully see it till the bed was off
CrazyTechWizard96@reddit
I mean, if the cab's fine, look for a new used bed.
Klo187@reddit
Why not go for a trayback? Make your own or get one made up, or even go to a junkyard and find a good bed to replace it with
jeksmiiixx@reddit
How's the frame? Beds can be replaced cheap and relatively easy, frame is harder
MOIST_PEOPLE@reddit
you can haul with the bed like that, spray some rust stop and keep the liner. A lot of truck beds are worse. But yeah if you want to replace or repair, you can do it. Just be aware of fuel lines if you start cutting or welding.
FesteringNeonDistrac@reddit
Yeah I would just get it mechanically sound, or see if there's a serious issue before I put money into the bed. If it runs and drives great, then replace it.
MOIST_PEOPLE@reddit
Yeah that makes sense. You're seeing the big picture. No sense putting lipstick on a pig.
dav1sco@reddit
Just need about 3 other buddy to help lift it off, really not a big deal you got this!
Thhhc13@reddit
Do a wood flatbed swap 🤷♂️ but go to a junkyard or pull a part. You'll find these things everywhere
Ch00nk@reddit
If the frame is good, keep the plastic liner in it and continue, you can replace the entire box later
SeasonedBatGizzards@reddit
So does it run, drive and stop? If it does I think your next project is a nice diy flatbed/camper box?
obsdude@reddit
Ur considering selling a truck cause of a couple holes in the bed covered by a bed liner? Yea cut losses and get a new car bra this ain’t for u
CrankyPants226@reddit
Buddy thats upstate NY version of Minty clean. Its just work. If you love the truck put in the work at the end of the day its all nuts and bolts. Some are just harder to turn than others
capthowdy13xiii@reddit
Check salvage yards as well, you might be able to get a whole bed for what replacement panels would cost.
bszern@reddit
That bed is held on by a handful of screws (4 maybe?) and can be replaced with a junkyard one or you could make a nice wooden flatbed.
Some advice…when you pull the bed, replace the fuel tank straps, fuel pump, and sending unit it’s off. All that stuff is accessible very easily with the bed removed, and will need replacement sooner rather than later.
Hot-Interest-3968@reddit
Best advice I can give in today’s world is look everything up, and use YouTube! I know some guys in the shop that refuse to google or research but it’s a huge part of learning and there’s so much knowledge available now. You can totally learn to replace a bed and it shouldn’t be horribly expensive to do. You might want a friend or two when you do it to make your life easier though lol. You got this and if you enjoy working on cars you’ll love the feeling of accomplishment when a bigger project rounds out. Good luck and stick with it man
rogueshadows1@reddit
Where are ya at I'll give you all the money you got in the truck back if you're close.
speaster@reddit
Really. Everything on this truck can be repaired in a driveway. $800 is like a free truck. PS 250 suspension parts like rear springs fit like a glove.
Short-Tangerine9797@reddit (OP)
This makes me feel a lot better about investing $800. As a newbie it felt like a reasonable investment but I had some doubts. Thank you!
Elk_Man@reddit
I get that it's easy to get overwhelmed and feel out of your depth, but just take a step back and remember that you bought this truck specifically to learn about this stuff. With that in mind take a breath, and remember once you give it your best shot (even if you don't do a good job) you'll be better equipped for the next job.
I can't tell you how many things I've done on my car, that after a bit more practice and learning I wish I could go back and do again knowing what I do now. That's kind of the nature of learning though, you gotta just roll up your sleeves and give it your best shot!
elroddo74@reddit
if it runs good the block alone is probably worth the $800.
speaster@reddit
You can do it and learn a ton and feel good about it! I know you can do it!
ButteredDingus@reddit
Hows the frame look? That's going to be the biggest deciding factor.
CelTiar@reddit
Flat bed Hot mini truck.. Give it a flat wood bed man make it burn rubber.
jbjhill@reddit
The big question is it study enough to go pick up the replacement bed?
SRT6_1@reddit
with a step side bed, it would kinda look like the svt lighting
Puzzleheaded_Taste39@reddit
No, keep going. There are tons of bed options.
Foreverwite@reddit
You're right to baseline the car. That's a good move. Its only $800! If youre ever ready to toss it, you can call a tow company and they'll come pick it up and even pay you like $500.
M0NEYGR1P@reddit
Press on take it 1 step at a time dont end up with a “the one that got away”
F150FanBoy@reddit
I agree with everyone else get a new bed you might need new bolts also. When I was lookin into changing the fuel pump alot of videos I watched the guys had to cut the heads off the bolts cause they were so rusted. So just keep that in mind and also remember heat is your friend if you can heart up the bolt/nut and just take your time but I wouldn’t worry about messing up the old since it’s already rusted out.
alarumba@reddit
Don't even have to go for a stock replacement bed. Might be a bit too much work, a stock bed would be easier, but you can let your imagination run wild.
Just a random example I found:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ToyotaPickup/comments/huzotx/finally_got_around_to_staining_the_flat_bed/
amongsteucalypts@reddit
Time to make a ute tray mate!
Bright_Crazy1015@reddit
Check South AR, Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, NM, the southwest basically, for cheap rust free bed boxes. They've got stacks of those trucks in salvage. Car part dot com has a salvage network you can view online. Change ZIP as needed to get listings from where you want them.
Truck freight and a lift gate delivery will be a bit of a cost if youre not close, but if youre able to get a completely rust free bed, I would pay the extra shipping.
Unhook the wiring and tailgate and it should be 6 bolts, then you and your buddies can lift it off.
StageGuy66@reddit
Buy a new bed, or flatbed it?
SadAstronomer8704@reddit
buy new bed.
BigTunaDaBoss@reddit
This is what my bed currently looks like. I think those plastic liners cause this as mine had a plastic liner also. Leaving it for now cause it’s all I have to hold my bed up at this point lol
anaughtybagel@reddit
Totally normal, common sentiment with any first project. Especially if you didn’t grow up with a wrench in your hand. Hang in there; what you’re seeing is def not the end of the project and honestly a good way to make progress and feel more rewarded. Start taking the bed apart and then eventually you can lift it off with a few buddies. Even that alone will feel good. Get a new bed on and bingo, back in action
Important_Chair8087@reddit
Its an $800 truck. Worry about keeping it running. Its a learning tool. Put the bedliner back in and drive it till it falls apart and get something else. Ive driven much worse just to get to work.
fiddlythingsATX@reddit
Definitely just get a bed from the salvage yard - should be easy to find one.
Unhappy-Midnight5469@reddit
Could be different and put a flatbed on it
purpleepandaa@reddit
Depends on how rusty the frame/ other chassis components are. A bed is easy to replace but if there are holes/ flaking rust on the frame it’s probably time to cut your losses
redravin12@reddit
Truck beds are easily removable and replaceable. And if you can't find a replacement for whatever reason, now you have a reason to learn to weld 😅
filmorebuttz@reddit
You can always switch to a flatbed and make a 2x6 panelling to make it look sick.
fenixthecorgi@reddit
What’s the frame look like? Rusty bed=flatbed project
No-Locksmith-9377@reddit
You are a lucky SOB as replacing a bed on that f150 is easy and cheap. You could probably find a replacement that's the same color for under $300
Gunpun@reddit
If you end up replacing the bed anyway, while the beds off might as well replace the fuel pump and fuel filter.
Dudditsys@reddit
Brother in law sent cut a square out and attached some hinges and a latch so he doesn't have to remove the bed to do it again 🤣 im convinced no idea is a bad idea, if it works! (As long as its safe....ish)
pancakefactory9@reddit
Make a wood bed
Dudditsys@reddit
Hell no! If the rust is localized on the bed, find a new one!! Or you could even go the true hillbilly route and just make a flatbed for back road shenanigans!
As long as the frame is solid, its worth it Imo!
ozzy_thedog@reddit
Time to build yourself a wooden flatbed!! 10x more badass. And you can buy replacement pieces of sheet metal to fix the cab. Cut out the rust and panel bond on some patch panels if you don’t know how to weld.
Oldskoolgamer1@reddit
Pull a part or LKQ. Find a bed that’s the same size. It’s like 6 bolts iirc. Takes about 4 people if you don’t have a hoist. If you have an engine hoist, you can do the whole job in an afternoon by yourself. For these, I’ve seen the fleet side bed in my area for around $300-500. For these stepside bed, which you don’t have, go around $1200. Lucky for you, bad for a stepside owner, like me. Glad mine is in good shape tho.
Efficient-Bid911@reddit
You see rust..i see space for pre runner shocks 🤣 you got this man
Whizzleteets@reddit
Go get ya a bed out of a junk yard. No biggie here.
ThanksALotBud@reddit
If you got the equipment to lift the bed, you should be good to go.
Got a neighbor a few blocks away who have been working on an early 90s F150. The bed was so rusted that he just cut it out of the car, and he just drives the truck (if you even called it that at this point) without a bed for 2 years now.
GreenGhostBravo@reddit
I agree with everone saying just replace the bed. Only a handful of bolts, fuel filler neck and some wiring. If it were me, I would drop the tanks and give them a good clean (find some recommend cleaner for that) and maybe a new fuel pump too. That way you'll eliminate any future issues like no start, hard start, rough idle, those things. Also do the fuel filter if it has one along the lines. Everything will be very easy to do.
koskyad209@reddit
Flat bed
series-hybrid@reddit
Buy a sand-blaster and a welder.
Educational_Clue2001@reddit
Don't get discouraged what you have is an amazing learning opportunity you have lots of options if you aren't getting Joy from the project then it might be worth it to you to bite the bullet and quit but I'm telling you if you try you could come up with a solution
rqx82@reddit
What kind of stuff are you planning on hauling? Normal homeowner stuff like the occasional load of lumber or yard of mulch? Or were you hoping to load it to full payload with gravel on the regular?
If it’s the first option, I would take out the bed liner, knock off the loose rust with a wire brush, use the “rust stop/converter” product of your choice, put the liner back in, and promptly forget about it.
For the second, do like others have said - find a replacement bed and swap it. I’d do the suspension swap too while I was at it.
Mostly, enjoy the freedom that comes with having a beater work truck that doesn’t owe you anything and that you don’t give a single solitary fuck about. There’s nothing like just willy-nilly throwing demo waste from a remodel in your truck and not giving a shit if the occasional tile or 2x4 hits the sidewall.
1937Mopar@reddit
Ya just got to remember trucks were meant to be worked....I know most are just overated pavement princesses that are grocery getters that will never see a day of work in their life.
Sills, cab corners and boxes are always the typical rot spots on trucks. The nice part is there is a good aftermarket and used supply in the late model market if your going to bring it back to stock.
For me I would look at as an opportunity to customize your ride, to make it your own. Think outside the box and have fun! Its amazing what ya can come up with after a few beers, surfing the net or even touring the local scrap yard to make something truly your own design
bimmerscout@reddit
Buy a welder, learn how to weld using this metal, and replace the bed. Gonna cost a few hundred, even a grand or so, but it’ll be an invaluable skill when it comes to future projects.
turfdraagster@reddit
Then eventually build yourself a flatbed with all the features you want
Short-Tangerine9797@reddit (OP)
That’s a great point. I think the initial shock just sent me spiraling… but this is the right thing to do. Thank you for the encouragement!
Same_Release_4451@reddit
Stick with it. I've been there - cut out the bad, weld in the good. https://imgur.com/gallery/yota-resto-WQpXvSY
Strong-Discipline545@reddit
Bro that ain't nothing lol
orangutanDOTorg@reddit
Those plastic liners and car covers have killed so many cars before their time
Grey-Squirrel-World@reddit
If you want to use it as a truck. Go get some old license plates or some diamond plate aluminium. Cut it to fit over the holes and rivet it into place. If you are feeling spunky, spray the area below with rust stop. She runs. Drives. And looks great. Put miles on her.