European Union President Ursula von der Leyen's plane hit by suspected Russian jamming technology while in-flight
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bhmnscmm@reddit
The article doesn't say, but was this targed jamming? Or did the place get caught in widespread incidental jamming?
Russia has been doing widespread GPS jamming across eastern Europe for a while. There's lots of stories about it impacting commercial flights and shipping.
Being hit by this widespread jamming is one thing, being hit with targeted jamming is another.
justuniqueusername@reddit
Not across Eastern Europe, rather along the border and in the major Russian cities. Basically everywhere where they are afraid of the Ukrainian drones.
If this time they targeted the Plovdiv airport, this is something new.
Xtrems876@reddit
Yes in Eastern Europe. It's become common in my city (Gdańsk, northern Poland) to suddenly be teleported to Kaliningrad on google maps. Lots of people have this problem because of GPS jamming.
justuniqueusername@reddit
Yeah it's the same in the centers of the russian cities.
Xtrems876@reddit
I'm from northern Poland. My car rides with the use of google maps are also affected :/
TheBigOof96@reddit
In both cases Russia should fuckoff with their GPS jamming of commercial aviation, destruction of undersea cables in the Baltic and everything else that makes that entire country look like a little kid throwing a tantrum
justuniqueusername@reddit
You cannot target specific types of aviation, be it commercial aircrafts or attack drones. You can only jam the GPS signal in a specific area. The jamming in the Baltic sea area has started after the Ust-Luga terminal attack early in 2024 AFAIR.
TheBigOof96@reddit
In 2023 Lithuanian air navigation alone got 129 reports from pilots about GPS signal jams, so your timeline is garbage. 2024 simply saw a massive increase of GPS jamming in both frequency and intensity, with some commercial planes being forced to divert to Poland.
No armed Ukrainian drones would ever be allowed to fly over Polish/Lithuanian airspace to reach Kaliningrad, from where a great deal of your jamming in the region is taking place. So there's literally no reason to do that, other than as usual being pain in the ass to your neighbors, acting like a kid throwing a tantrum
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
A Ukrainian drone just crashed in Estonia on Wednesday. So they fly that way all the time.
TheBigOof96@reddit
Yes, because they get disoriented by russian signal jammers and fly into our territory. The exact same shit happened in Lithuania not even a month ago. Neither one of those was meant for Kaliningrad tho
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
A Ukrainian drone crashed and yall blamed Russia?
Alright then ask Ukraine to stop using your airspace to fly drones through
TheBigOof96@reddit
You know what "disoriented" part in "disoriented drone" means, right? If you're unironically implying that Ukrainians are launching explosive drones into Estonian fields, then you should probably take a long break from RT.
I don't mind Ukrainians "incentivizing" Russians to rebuild their oil refineries, no one does. However Ukrainians have never launched a single drone to Kaliningrad for obvious reasons, which is why their GPS jammers stationed there serve 0 military purpose and instead simply remind the region who they really are, by acting like spiteful kids, who only have power to annoy by GPS jamming our airspace, or "accidentally" ripping internet/electricity cables semi-regularly
justuniqueusername@reddit
There were some reports of the jamming in 2022 and 2023 in that region, but it was nowhere near the levels you see now since the beginning of 2024. I've read a paper on this from a Polish research agency, they claim the source of the jamming is one or more vessels in the Baltic sea, so it's likely this is the reaction to the Ust-Luga drone attacks in 2024. I haven't seen any proper analysis on whether these drones were launched from Ukraine, from inside Russia, or from Finland or the Baltic states -- I don't think it really matters.
Ust-Luga is not in Kaliningrad btw, it's near St Petersburg. For some reason, Kaliningrad hasn't seen any drone attacks before this August, at least I cannot recall any.
ShootmansNC@reddit
It wasn't even true at all. The plane suffered no form of jamming according to Flightradar24.
https://xcancel.com/flightradar24/status/1962565122326700178
https://xcancel.com/flightradar24/status/1962573785036464583
r0w33@reddit
It was targeted jamming at the airport she was trying to land at (per the article). Plovdiv is nowhere near the warzone in Ukraine.
eagleal@reddit
It’s BS articles, trying to spread misinformation.
Jamming in Ukraine is impacting from Norway to North Africa and ME since 2022. This is jamming by Russian. Every time they lower the impact a huge wave of attacks by Ukraine becomes super effective on deep Russian soil, so you get why the levels are always moderately high.
Something similar happened during the peak of Israel’s offensives especially the attack on Iran.
danny12beje@reddit
Back them claims up, brother.
eagleal@reddit
It’s been common knowledge and similar articles spur up every x weeks.
I ain’t doing your work for free. It’s a simple search
danny12beje@reddit
My work when you're the one claiming this without proof?
Nice.
CluelessExxpat@reddit
Are you 3 dude? You want him to feed you with a spoon as well? Either just google and learn or don't reply back.
danny12beje@reddit
Seems you're having trouble reading too.
When someone makes a claim and it's not backed by any proof, it's not a claim, it's either a lie or "trust me bro".
CluelessExxpat@reddit
Go meddle with science then. This is a subreddit where people share their opinions and information.
You either accept it or say meh, a quick google search shows otherwise.
You can continue to cry like a baby to be spoon fed.
Joezev98@reddit
Not sure about North Africa and Middle East, but it's been well established that Russia has been jamming GPS very far away from the warzone. It's mostly in the Baltic sea. Jamming in the Middle East seems to be more related to the conflict in Israel.
https://www.gpsworld.com/innovation-recent-gps-jamming-in-regions-of-geopolitical-conflict/
MechaAristotle@reddit
There has been some incidents with commercial pilots noticing it here too.
happytoad@reddit
More scaremongering.
Why would Russia even do that? What’s the point? Even if result is plane crash what would it achieve? One anti Russian politician dead and Russia inevitably gets the blame for it. A thousand more are ready to take her place.
All that „Russia did it!“ news remind me heavily about the Nord Stream situation. Russia clearly had no intention to do that but nobody cared, Russia did it. Even after Ukranian citizen gets caught, Reddit still believes it is somehow Russias fault.
goonerladdius@reddit
Poor Russia always the victim, it's not as if they have a history of jamming western aircraft, shooting down passenger planes, military and infrastructure sabotage, assassinations on European soil, and political meddling. You cant have your country pull that kind of shit and then cry when people are naturally suspicious of it.
happytoad@reddit
So why would Russia do it? What’s the benefit?
goonerladdius@reddit
My best guess is intimidation or testing European readiness. But if you want to play the guessing game it can go both ways, Who else would do such a thing? Is it one of the many EU countries in the area, fellow NATO member Turkey, or is it most likely the direct rival in the region who has often jammed GPS in the region?
kinmix@reddit
So now that we know that the article is bullshit, would you accept that you were wrong?
https://xcancel.com/flightradar24/status/1962573785036464583
goonerladdius@reddit
Of course, we can only go off what's being reported can't we. Being suspicious of Russia isn't wrong tho it just means you've been paying attention.
kinmix@reddit
Would you also allow that the initial poster in this thread wasn't wrong? That there is a lot of scaremongering. For example, I remember there being a huge story a year or so ago about Russians bringing explosives on board of civilian planes in Europe. Which, if you've flown anywhere since then, you'd know wasn't true either. (You would expect massive changes at airport security otherwise).
There's nothing wrong about being suspicious, but actively spreading unverified reports is damaging. And this particular article is exactly that. They specifically scaremonger for clicks.
goonerladdius@reddit
Considering the things Russia has done and is currently doing it could be said there wasn't enough scare mongering about them before. Unsubstantiated claim are Ofc not OK but it's funny seeing Russians cry woe is me on this type of stuff.
kinmix@reddit
In terms of illegal hostile actions on the EU territory, what would those be?
goonerladdius@reddit
Interesting that this article was published yesterday
https://apnews.com/article/europe-security-russia-gps-jamming-nato-rutte-6efed7d030da19a51dfacec39ed77325
"Rutte said the jamming was part of a complex campaign by Russia of “hybrid threats” like cutting of undersea cables in the Baltic Sea, a plot to assassinate a German industrialist, and a cyberattack on the National Heath Service in the United Kingdom."
So now the NATO Head has officially responded to and confirmed the attack, and the article has given numerous cases of Russian hybrid aggression towards the EU and NATO. Are you ready to admit the report was not so unsubstantiated after all and in light of this will you admit you were wrong to trust some account on X instead of waiting on the relevant parties to confirm it?
kinmix@reddit
Flightradar24 provided solid proof that it didn't happen. The data that they receive is open, it is obtained through thousands of enthusiasts who host small radios tuned to the transponder frequency. Any discrepancy in that data would immediately be noticed. You can go to their website about the section and verify it yourself. I would leave it up to your own conclusions as to why the head of NATO, says things that are verifiability false, and what that could mean about his other statements.
goonerladdius@reddit
I think the data that NATO is working with is probably more reliable. So NATO confirms it and Russia has an extensive and proven history of such actions, but we are supposed to what? Give them the benefit of the doubt, question NATO's reliability? On what basis, flight radar has no access to onboard navigational logs or aviation systems. The transponder could still have enough cached or partial data to broadcast a valid looking GPS position, but the pilots may not have been able to use it safely for navigation. Not to mention we have prior precedent of Russia doing this, and we have prior precedent of GPS disruption while ADS-B broadcasts continued.
kinmix@reddit
Yes my friend, never question NATO, aluminium tubes, babies in the incubators... It's all true... Never did NATO countries use misinformation to promote their goals...
That's just not how any of that works. All airplane systems (apart from the entertainment) operate in what's called "real-time computing". There is no cache, cache would be the absolute last thing that anyone would add there. And the idea that a modern plane would supply accurate information to the transponder while giving inaccurate information to the pilots is frankly laughable.
Yes, those 100% NATO confirmed accidents... Only, guess what, some them ended up being refuted as well... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/01/19/russia-baltic-undersea-cables-accidents-sabotage/
That's not what's questioned here, Flightradar24 clearly stated that transponder transmitted that GPS is working nominally. Interfering with GPS and interfering with transponders are completely different things on completely different frequencies.
goonerladdius@reddit
Never said never question NATO, I'm saying I would need good reason to, blindly dismissing what NATO says isn't any better than blindly trusting everything they say. Cache was the wrong term you're right, but:
Is just plain not true. It’s entirely possible for the position stream to look fine while the avionics flag the solution as unsafe, so there is no guarantee that flightradar’s public feed reflects cockpit usability.That’s why “nominal” Flightradar signals don’t necessarily mean the crew had a reliable system. Besides it wasn't NATO or the EU that claimed GPS interference it was the Bulgarian officials who did? So again I'm not questioning flightradars data, its just not a final proof of no GPS jamming, yet we have two different institutions and officials from Bulgaria saying there was, and they have access to much more of the information than flight radar, so again its not enough to dismiss.
kinmix@reddit
No, it's simply not. I'm not sure if you've asked ChatGPT about it or something. But that's simply not the case if you are talking about outside interference. The NATO claim is about jamming, and simply by definition, jamming would mean that GPS signal would degrade. This goes against of what the open-source data shows. If there was some Russian spy on board tinkering with avionics then sure, it is possible. Or if we were talking about spoofing then yes, then there could be a case where the aircraft's avionics would read a string GPS signal, but in that case you would literally see the plane teleport to the other location on the Flightradar24 map. That didn't happen.
You basically have two options in what to believe - either NATO president is lying, or Russia infiltrated a group of thousands of aviation enthusiasts all over the world.
bxzidff@reddit
Is Salisbury too insignificant?
kinmix@reddit
No, that's why I've mentioned it. Can you read?
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Didn't she say she's working on a plan to send EU 'peacekeepers' to Ukraine? I wouldn't be shocked if this warmongering woman tried to pull some Zimmerman Telegram shit to escalate.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
Lol, lmao even
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
This CONSERVATIVE woman would love nothing more than creating a neo-German empire that dominates all of Europe. So she can keep ruling Europe when she's pushed into German leadership. Only problem is, that's a very touchy subject still, given German history. She needs a really good fucking reason to start a massive rearmament. Have you never listened to her talk at all? Do you get all your news filtered through the media? This woman is dangerous.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
Like a large, powerful, threatening enemy state in the east invading a country that borders several EU member states?
While also employing a war economy that will collapse if they stop the war even if they take Ukraine?
She doesnt need to manufacture any more reasons.
And we're gonna fucking welcome it cause I'd rather have a German-Western-Neocon-EU Reich than RuZZia, Putler, and Crazy Medvedev in charge of my country.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
LMAO, Russia powerful? They're being defeated by farmers in tractors... Russia couldn't even beat Poland 1v1. But your last line really sums it up. You're just another fascist jingoist. Straight out of Hitler's playbook.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
Those were conscripts in 2023, not battlehardened soldiers.
Now they're only barely being held back by the best weapons the EU has to offer.
100 years ago...
Ah yes for supporting the EU and Von der Leyen over the definitely not fascist Russia and Putin
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
The EU has bigger problems. Like the creation of an internal 5th column that wants to destroy everything the West stands for.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
What do you mean
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
A Muslim politician in Brussels today said that if Europe doesn't like being islamized, then we're free to fuck off to another part of the world.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
LMAO what?
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Like 80+% of people in Brussels is already non-european so they are right. They already chased the Europeans out of what is now THEIR city. At current migration levels it's only a matter of time.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
Can i get a source on that and what the politician said
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Belgium2/s/apCOFQRoFn
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2025/09/fact-check-saliha-raiss-belgians-europeans-leave-dont-accept-islam.html
The politician was saying to leave Molenbeek
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Ye, that's where they are 80% of the population now thanks to mass migration. You think that's fine for a hostile culture to just take over your own city and then tells the natives to leave THEIR city? If a white man did that you call it colonialism.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
She didnt say you HAVE to leave the city, she said that if you're too fragile to see a muslim woman in a municipilaity of your city without losing your fucking shit, you can always leave.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
You do realize we have a separation of church and state, right? Something tells me your English, where you voted for a guy who is implementing anti-blasphemy laws.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
LMAO, seperation of church and state means that people are ALLOWED to live their life how they want.
EXACTLY what the politician said. If you cant handle a woman wearing a hijab because of HER beliefs, then you shouldnt be in a country that has seperation of church and state. Go live in some Christofascist country.
Nah, I dislike Islam as much as the next fella, but saying that people shouldnt be allowed to live how they like is basically what you're scared will happen, and its also ironically what you'rs doing.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Seems like you don't understand a few basic principles. There's no place for religion in government jobs. You represent a neutral authority.
Man, you're def English. Funny how easily recognizable you people are.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
So no religious person should have a government job because of their beliefs? Even if they employ a secular agenda?
I agree theres no place for religious agendas in government, but why should someone like Zohran Mamdani (a secular muslim) be forced out of his bid for mayor of NYC just because he is a Muslim in his personal life?
That is the EXACT opposite of seperation of church and state.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Ok, Keir.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
I'd rather have 1000 years of Keir than even one term of Fararse.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
This woman and her fellow party members routinely call for the implementation of Sharia law in Brussels. If that's what you want then fine by me, boy. But say goodbye to your precious LGBT and women's rights then. As a man I couldn't give 2 shits.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
Ah, now thats the missing context.
Fuck them then.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Nah, you picked your side. You voted for Sharia, now at least own it.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
I... dont live in the UK, nor am I eligible to vote.
And Labour is not a fucking sharia party, atleast not yet
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
80% of your post history is saying you love '2-tier Keir' and famous anti-Semite Corbyn.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
That's just blatantly untrue? I've never said I love Kier, and the only time I discussed Corbyn was asking if he was a Brexiteer.
I'd like you to show me where I've said either of those things lmao
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
I had an AI analyze your profile.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
The top what, 20 comments? I wanna see that.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Trust me, bro.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
I dont, considering you've already attempted to misinform me once.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
You think islamic colonisation is good so that's what you consider 'misinforming'.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
I'm gonna stop you right there. If you ACTUALLY read my post history, you'd know how false that is.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
So why are you ok with the sharia-ization of my country?
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
I'd like you to say where I stated that I am okay with it.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Your voting behaviour.
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
What exactly could I have voted for, seeing as I am ineligible to vote and I don't even live in the UK?
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Belgium2/s/is4weqzL6w
Tried6TimesYT@reddit
Okay... i dont live in Belgium?
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
This is the capital of the, the city which should be saturated with Western ideals. Instead we have paraded for Sharia, where women were banned btw.
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
The irony is thick.
saracenraider@reddit
And where is your news filtered through? Through Dmitry Petrov’s arse crack is my best bet
rocketfucker9000@reddit
Because Russia has no honour
happytoad@reddit
Says French.
rocketfucker9000@reddit
Keep dying in Ukraine, can't even beat the poorest country in Europe lol
BallisticFiber@reddit
I mean you can try and see what's happen. Last time I remember russians had Napoleon walking back with nothing. Go conquer Russia in a month, why not, should be ez
catchcatchhorrortaxi@reddit
To reduce the effectiveness of drone attacks. Next disingenuous question.
Jirik333@reddit
Why would RuZZia shot down MH17?
Why would RuZZia shot down KAL 007?
Why would RuZZia shot down a plane with Kaczyński?
Why would RuZZia blew up a military base in Czechia?
Why would RuZZia poisoned Skripal?
Why would RuZZia fucking invade Ukraine?
Why would RuZZia start WW2 along with Nazis?
Why would RuZZia betrayed Cossacks depsite having an alliance with Khmelnitski?
Why would Askold and Dir conquer Kyiv?
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Maybe because just like Orcs, all the RuZZians can do is to invade, murder, and destroy more civilized nations.
happytoad@reddit
So you don’t know the answer to my initial question? Besides „Russia bad“?
Jirik333@reddit
Russia bad is exactly the answer. Just a bunch of sadistic mongoloid thugs doing sadistic things to the people they hate, nothing new.
You obvipusky don't need any other reasons to commit warcrimes, as you've shown us in the last 3 years.
bzhdgv@reddit
You have alerted the horde
SquirtSommelier@reddit
Orcs mad
happytoad@reddit
Orks do not care what Reddit thinks.
lostinspacs@reddit
Europe is helping fund a war that’s getting a massive amount of Russians killed and costing Russia a lot of money. The longer the war continues, the worse Russia’s future looks.
Grey zone tactics are just a way to make life unpleasant and increase the cost for Europe. I’m not sure if this specifically happened, but it’s not off-brand.
happytoad@reddit
That doesn’t explain the Russian motive in the slightest.
AwkwardTal@reddit
If israel is allowed to kill anyone anywhere in the world and nothing happens, I guess Russia can do too if they wanted
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
This is part of why Putin and Netanyahu are such good buddies, and why Israel was even working on joint military technology partnerships with Russia after they first invaded Ukraine until forced to stop by the U.S.
AwkwardTal@reddit
You said it, all are scum aren't they?
Jirik333@reddit
Why would RuZZia shot down MH17?
Why would RuZZia shot down KAL 007?
Why would RuZZia shot down a plane with Kaczyński?
Why would RuZZia blew up a military base in Czechia?
Why would RuZZia poisoned Skripal?
Why would RuZZia fucking invade Ukraine?
Why would RuZZia start WW2 along with Nazis?
Why would RuZZia betrayed Cossacks depsite having an alliance with Khmelnitski?
Why would Askold and Dir conquer Kyiv?
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Maybe because just like Orcs, all the RuZZians can do is to invade, murder, and destroy more civilized nations.
CuriousCat31441@reddit
Thats wild coming from a country that started an invasion in Europe in the 21st century.
Your state is a terrorist organization. They do terrorist shit on a regular basis. Nothing is surprising anymore.
”BuT gAzAhhh aNd IraQ aNd WeStrn imPeRiaLsm”
Suspicious-Limit8115@reddit
Valid criticism is often used to mask or normalize one’s own behavior. Russia gets a pass for colonizing dozens of nations at their empire’s edge partially because European colonialism of the Pacific, Caribbean, and South America still somehow has not come to an end. They get a pass for butchering eastern Ukraine because the west is in fact complicit in the worst ongoing genocide on earth, allowing Russia to frame anything smaller than it as “not as bad as the neighbors”. Russia is in many ways, a PR parasite, they always have a scapegoat, and they always have one because they aren’t the only corrupt country, they’re surrounded by corrupt countries. It is easier to notice how bad a stain really is when it isn’t surrounded by other stains.
exessmirror@reddit
Same reason why your country fly nuke planes into our airspace. Intimidation.
Byproduct@reddit
Russia also had no intention to invade Ukraine if you recall.
Awkward_Ostrich_4275@reddit
It’s because your people have shown themselves to be
ShootmansNC@reddit
According to flightradar24, her plane suffered no form of jamming or delays.
https://xcancel.com/flightradar24/status/1962565122326700178
https://xcancel.com/flightradar24/status/1962573785036464583
this_dudeagain@reddit
They jammed the airport. Read the article.
Draak80@reddit
Hillarious. This comment should be on top.
Electrical_Quality_6@reddit
AI can neglate the need for gps because the AI itself can figure out where it is located and find out its own position based on cameras and tracking based off maps
Using AI can be the crux needed to defeat the gps jamming russia uses therefore taking out one of their main weapons. AI is the key to this and can be used for flights and planes all the way to missiles and drones completely unaffected by gps jamming wiyh on board AI chips for location tracking.
N_T_F_D@reddit
How does AI figure out location when you're above clouds?
Electrical_Quality_6@reddit
if it knows its starting position, it can calculate based on how far it has traveled where it is and if it knows the turns it took and how far it can precisely pinpoint
N_T_F_D@reddit
Of course it needs to know its starting position, but that's still not enough for the long term
If you want to get mathematical, the IMU gives you the plane's acceleration, which you then sum over time (i.e. integrate) to get the plane's speed, which you then sum over time to get the position
When you sum a quantity with a constant error, that error becomes a linear error term, and when you sum it again it becomes a quadratic error term, leading to drifting of the calculated position
Every hour the position will drift about 1 nautical mile which is about 1.8km, that's a pretty large error; and IMUs that can do that are enormously expensive already, so you need either GPS or another means of restoring the absolute position once in a while
Nahcep@reddit
This is forcing open unlocked doors because we already have technologies that act as back-up for satellite-based navigation, even as simple as "if you go at track X° at the ground speed of Y knots you'll arrive more or less where you'd expect"
The only case where this would be a significant concern is when you would need precise data (such as some procedures in tight terrain) and no fallback, but then you'd expect the pilots to simply divert elsewhere
N_T_F_D@reddit
IMU navigation alone is never as precise as coupling it with GPS over long distances (the kind of distances an airplane is flying relatively quickly) as it only tells you your acceleration and angular velocity which you need to integrate over time to get your speed, which you integrate again to get your position, so even small errors get compounded
Typical error of commercial airplane IMU is on the order of 1 nautical mile per hour, you need to reset the position with a known location (for instance with GPS, or with ground stations, or whatever else) to get back on track
Thatsidechara_ter@reddit
This sounds like it was written by AI
catchcatchhorrortaxi@reddit
Holy shit, I just read the account history - I think it actually is AI
Electrical_Quality_6@reddit
nope theres a rule here for 150 characters and therefore i had to lengtheb the text
if its a skynet self aware joke about ai being conscious then bravo very funny, but still the point still stands. We need the AI in place of the gps becaude of the threat from spoofing and jamming
VintageGriffin@reddit
If not GPS, what kind of jamming was it?
SweetEastern@reddit
This is an non-story where no journalists cared enough to check with the industry. Or it's fear mongering, pick your poison.
ShootmansNC@reddit
Flightradar24 debunked the story, her planed suffered no form of jamming at all.
cutwordlines@reddit
her plane was late by 9 minutes! serious stuff indeed!
Best-and-Blurst@reddit
What exactly is your point here? That it's OK for Russia to jam GPS inside another states borders because "commercial planes are just fine without GPS"? It is not a non story if one state is taking a hostile action within another state in order to target a political representative.
SweetEastern@reddit
I see my message was misunderstood. Let me rephrase. We're reading this piece of news because:
a)the journos wildly misunderstood something that the technical personnel has said (or perhaps it's the politicians that told them that and it's the politicians misunderstood the explanation)
b)or because it's a conscious attempt at misinforming public.
The Russians jam signals over their territory (and their claimed territory I guess). Everything else is a consequence of EM waves having even less respect for national borders than the Russians have. You see, no Russian territory borders Bulgaria, claimed or otherwise.
muchm001@reddit
LOL. So it happened. It is a violation of treaties both Communication and Diplomatic. It was targeted against an Official that is actively seeking to stop the invasion. But we should not only ignore it but it shouldn’t have been news in the first place?!?1 It’s just Russian Incrementalism they wont stop till you punch the bear. ALWAYS PUNCH THE BEAR!
Hyndis@reddit
You're assuming it was targeted. This is an assumption not supported by any facts.
Jammers work by flooding the EM spectrum. They have to be very powerful so that they can overwhelm and drown out any signal you wish to send, and GPS is a very weak signal. It needs to be a powerful signal to block drones. A way to counter drone jamming is to have drones be wire guided which while it does make them immune to jamming, it also limits the drone's range to the length of the wire, typically 10km or less.
There really is no such thing as targeted jamming. It blasts EM interference over a huge area. The closer you get to the source the more signals are blocked due to noise, but even further away you can still encounter difficulty.
muchm001@reddit
THEY TURNED IT ON WHEN SHE WAS LANDING! The actions being taken were against her. The fact that it illegally extends past Russian airspace is a ACT OF WAR!. The fact that it affects EVERYTHING IN THE AREA does not change who they were targeting. You are being a pendent by focusing on word choice. I never implied it was tight beam system. The fact that they are jamming OTHER COUNTRIES AIRSPACE IS A CRIME IN ITSELF! The Ukrainians are fighting a war of survival against an invading imperial nation. The Russians have no right to defense in this specific situation. The law is on the Ukrainian’s side. If you are an occupied nation you have the RIGHT to defend yourself. If you are an invading nation the world is supposed to sanction and then militarily respond.
SweetEastern@reddit
Not sure if you're just impersonating TRUMP here
ShootmansNC@reddit
It's not deleted, that person blocked you cause you're ruining their narrative with your facts and logic.
muchm001@reddit
What the fuck are you talking about? How is calling out Russian aggression in anyway Trump like? There is more than a language issue with you I think you have some cognitive issues.
ShootmansNC@reddit
It did not happen.
https://xcancel.com/flightradar24/status/1962565122326700178
https://xcancel.com/flightradar24/status/1962573785036464583
eagleal@reddit
Russia is jamming GPS across a vast region with a specific large system located in Russia (the problems reported in this article have been going on since the start of the war).
They have toned down the intensity multiple times upon request by EU and Impacted ME states, but each time Ukraine launches a big wave within deep soil (as their drones accuracy increases with the system down).
SweetEastern@reddit
So was this a targeted attack against VDL or a nothingburger?
Solarwinds-123@reddit
Somewhere in the middle, but more towards the nothingburger side.
It isn't okay for Russia to be doing this, but it was unlikely to be targeted towards UVDL and the risk of any actual harm to the aircraft is small.
AnActualSquirrel@reddit
GPS jamming and spoofing has been a frequent occurrence for all aircraft operations in the region since the war began.
It is common for pilots to revert to inertial or ground-based navigation sources when this happens.
SweetEastern@reddit
In what region? Eastern Europe? You realise how big this 'region' is?
AnActualSquirrel@reddit
It has been fairly commonplace for years in airspace within hundreds of nautical miles of Russia and Russia-controlled/aligned territories. Yes, a very large region.
GPS is a very low-energy signal and it is trivial for a military to disrupt it over large areas.
AnActualSquirrel@reddit
It has been fairly commonplace for years in airspace within hundreds of nautical miles of Russia and Russia-controlled/aligned territories. Yes, a very large region.
GPS is a very low-energy signal and it is trivial for a military to disrupt it over large areas.
_Dominox_@reddit
Yeah sure. She also landed the plane all by herself while orienting by paper maps and sun position.
OutblastEUW@reddit
WHEN WILL EU WAKE THE FUCK UP
AnActualSquirrel@reddit
GPS jamming and spoofing is a frequent occurrence for all aircraft operations in the region these days
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