Job hopping | TheaterFire

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Waisted-Desert@reddit

In any industry, if you're not satisfied for more than a few months then you keep picking the wrong places to work, or you are actually the problem. In 25 years of trucking, I've worked at 4 companies.

Left the first company after 11 years because I moved to a state where they didn't have much freight. Left the second company after 5 years because I found a really good local job. Left the third company after 4 years because live entertainment (niche they are in) went dead during Covid. Currently at the fourth company, hitting 5 years next month.

I'm not saying you need to or should show loyalty to an employer. Rather, pick an employer that is worth your time and labor.

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Thepopethroway@reddit (OP)

In 25 years of trucking, I've worked at 4 companies.

Everyone will always be as fortunate as you.

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Waisted-Desert@reddit

You call it fortunate, I call it doing my due diligence before taking a job.

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Thepopethroway@reddit (OP)

Some people will put their need to eat above bragging right on reddit.

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AAB1996@reddit

When working for a company, especially in an industry like trucking, remember that you're just a number to them if you work for a larger company. They'll fire you and scrutinize every aspect of your screw ups to find an excuse to fire you. So yes, if you don't like your job and they're paying you shit, then leave immediately. There's too much variety and quantity of trucking jobs to ever think you should be stuck at one.

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possibly_lost45@reddit

Buddy you're a number even at small companies.

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functional_moron@reddit

Nah bro. My company actually cares about us. I've spent most of this summer in the hospital. My truck has been on the lot waiting for me. My dispatcher actually came to check on me. They did all the paperwork for me to keep getting paid. I'll keep this job til I retire.

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Ornery_End_3495@reddit

That's awesome but incredibly rare. You hit the lottery. 99.9% of even small companies don't care one bit.

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AdventurousAbility30@reddit

That's fantastic. Fast healing and better health towards you if you're accepting good wishes

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JasPRongs@reddit

Nah. My dispatches know my name and my truck, they know my route and always have a fast answer on any questions or random issues. If I ever work longer than 5 days in a row they go out of their way to make sure I’m good to roll or if I need a few days home. My brother also works for them as a local driver in a day cabbie. He got stuck out on the road due to a breakdown issue and the driver manager sent him money to get uber eats (without even being asked) just because he know my brother didn’t have access to a microwave or fridge. The right (small) company will take care of you

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possibly_lost45@reddit

And yet still a cog in the wheel. They'd throw you under the bus in a hot minute to protect their insurance rates.

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JasPRongs@reddit

I don’t disagree. Thats the case at every single job in every single sector of every business in the US at least.

But that doesn’t mean that they don’t treat me like a person in the meantime. I’m plenty anti work/ anticap but we have to be realists about the world we live in. My company doesnt treat me like a number, and have gone out of their way multiple times using the companies money to make my day easier. It’s not some perfect situation in a magical nonexistent utopia, but it’s not a mega carrier that can’t be bothered to even pick up the phone either.

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SamuraiJono@reddit

Not always. I left my current job for about a year, when I came back I didn't have to get a new company badge, one of the owners kept it in his desk drawer just in case I decided to come back. Sure, you could argue he keeps everyone's badges just in case, but it's not like there's any big companies staying invested in their people like that.

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possibly_lost45@reddit

No different than how Crete calls me asking if I'll come back. They are just more proactive

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SamuraiJono@reddit

I mean it is entirely different, I doubt the CEO knows anybody's name, much less cares about any individual coming or going. I'm not even acting like I'm family here, they'd still fire me in a heartbeat if I fucked up bad enough, but to act like my experience is the same as yours with Crete is pretty disingenuous.

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possibly_lost45@reddit

The point is you could go back if you left on good standing whether it's a mega or a small company. Doesn't change that your still just a cog in the wheel. Knowing your name doesn't make you not a cog dude.

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SamuraiJono@reddit

Whatever you say, clearly you know my situation way better than I do.

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GreyGhost878@reddit

By your way of thinking any employee of any company in any industry could be considered just a cog in the wheel. Unfortunately it's the human condition that we have to work to eat. It doesn't mean employers don't care about employees. But working and eating is the reason they're all there. We all have to be a cog in a wheel somewhere. We all show up every day knowing that. What matters is if there is mutual respect between employer and employee.

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NextMathematician582@reddit

Crete is not a small outfit. A couple dozen trucks is small.

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pixelpioneerhere@reddit

Depends on your definition of "small."

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xdjfrick@reddit

Some of us can't even afford the lag in pay that job hopping causes

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Thepopethroway@reddit (OP)

I recommend saving

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Cooldude075@reddit

Hard to do if you can't put any money aside

Where I live my company doesn't really pay what they should. Local home daily, but even with roommates and a cheap crappy house I'm barely making payments on everything, let alone setting money aside

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Thick_Confection4484@reddit

REAL

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amazonallie@reddit

I had a 3 strike rule. Ask me to run illegally, a strike. Asking me to run all night when I was awake all day, strike. Not allow me to run my ship to make an appointment, strike. You get the idea.

3 strikes, I leave the company. Period.

Never once had an issue getting a job. My last company before I medically retired due to being SA'ed in a truck stop parking lot (which people saw happening and did nothing, so if you see something, please get involved)had zero strikes after 14 months.

ALWAYS ask to take to the safety department before accepting a job. Find out who has more teeth, safety or dispatch, and find out if safety actually cares about safety.

I had questions I would ask them to test safety, and if they failed my questions, I moved on.

I ALWAYS spoke to dispatch the first day, and clearly explained my 3 strike rules, how I ran, (no more parking after dark for me, and always parked early enough to Never be in the back 40 again, for example). 99% of them would be on board, and if they needed something that broke my rules, they ASKED instead of forcing me. If I could make it happen legally, 99% of the time I would say yes. But I made it clear I was in control, not them.

Having strong boundaries around your work and building it into job hunting will cut down on job hopping. Only 2 companies ever made it to 3 strikes. Most learned on strike 1 not to push me and I was serious. But in return, I was always a high miler with perfect on time records because I didn't fool around on my day. I knew how to use my ELD to my advantage. And I knew how to keep my left door closed. And I ALWAYS trip planned and would let them know immediately if something wasn't going to work, and when it would work so they could fix it. I was the queen of trip planning and getting shit done. So my boundaries were respected.

Hope this helps.

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Silent-Room-4987@reddit

What were the questions you asked safety/dispatch?

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amazonallie@reddit

I always asked safety who had the final call, them or dispatch. I asked about their safety record, which I already knew by looking it up, to see if they were honest. (SAFER is where you can find all violations for any company). You can learn a ton from looking up records and seeing patterns of violations.

I asked dispatch how much wiggle room loads typically had, who does the planning, what they do in the case where a load can technically work, but won't in reality. How they answer, and how quickly they answer tells me a ton. I also tell them how I run, and ask if it will be a good fit or will I be fighting with them all the time. I also ask how often they check in with me. Too much and I am out. How much sitting is there, live loads vs drop/hook, average miles, etc.

These were things important to me, so you can tweak the questions to fit what is most important to you.

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tonythebutcher13@reddit

I mean don't jump ship after 3 months or anything but moving on to better things is what we do, the only way to get a raise is to switch jobs.

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RoseKlingel@reddit

100% this, there is no "moving up" in trucking, it's just moving on for better pay or hometime.

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PathofEnlightment@reddit

I kept quitting the same company over the years. Doing other stuff inbetween. Working for other carriers. Every time i came back to my old boss they always revised my pay and gave me more. I always quit on decent enough terms plus I am one of their top performers so I suppose I'm always welcomed back.

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DoctorZebra@reddit

Depends on your career goals. Don't put up with bad working conditions, but do choose your jobs carefully. If you're planning to get on with someone like Airgas, a pattern of job hopping will absolutely get your application thrown into the trash.

Most places don't seem to care, though.

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Emergency_Ad1152@reddit

Ima hippity hop wherever the fuck I want to make money

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jgremlin_@reddit

Hiring manager for a 35 truck company here. Of my 35 drivers, 25 have been with the company more than 5 years. Half of the remaining 10 have been with us more than 3 years. How does one achieve that in this day and age where job hopping is so common?

The first step is to provide a work environment that drivers like. Treat them with respect. Put a shit ton of effort into giving them the schedule they want, doing the type of work they want for the money they want. You'll never get that right 100% of the time, but if you try, you'll get it right enough.

That's the first step. But the second step is equally as important. I. Don't. Hire. Jumpers. Ever.

When I get an app, job history is the first thing I look at. If I don't see at least a year at each previous job, I move on to the next application. I won't even send a 'thanks for your interest...' type acknowledgement. Why should I?

Now I can already hear the wheels turning in some of your heads. Oh if jumping jobs makes me look bad, no problem, I'll just fudge the numbers and leave a bunch of my short time jobs out of my work history. If I see more than a year at each previous job, I submit verification requests. If the dates don't line up, I move on.

Does that make it tough for me to find guys to hire? Absolutely. But again, most of my guys have been with me more than 5 years. Not hiring jumpers is part of how I get there.

So when everyone responding here says jump as much as you want because companies have no loyalty to you, they're at least partly right. No company that's willing to hire you knowing you're going to want to quit within a few months is ever going to have any loyalty to you. Why should they?

So that's the deal. Job jumpers exist and the companies willing to hire them exist. Job keepers also exist and the companies will to hire them also exist. Pick the lane that works for you and stick with it. But choose carefully because its easy for a job keeper to become a job jumper, but it ain't so easy for a jumper to become a keeper.

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Thepopethroway@reddit (OP)

If I don't see at least a year at each previous job, I move on to the next application.

You act like you're unaware that many jobs in this industry function as straight-up scams who abuse and steal from their drivers. Many even force them to run illegal or get fired. You want them to stick with these companies to fit your arbitrary one year rule?

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jgremlin_@reddit

I want them to be smart enough to not take those jobs in the first place.

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Thepopethroway@reddit (OP)

I was smart enough to never take one of those jobs. I want them to be the same.

That's right. Fuck people who land unlucky jobs. We don't want to employ losers

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jgremlin_@reddit

Pretty much yeah. I didn't make you take those shitty jobs that I never would have taken. You did that. I want someone smarter than that.

So what would someone whose smarter than that do? Someone smarter than that would realize that they've just quit a job after 3 months and that's going to mean the chances of their next job being the perfect job are about zero.

So instead of expecting to find the perfect job by quitting every few months, they set their goal to be find a job that they can stick with for a year or so. Not perfect, but good enough to do a year. Those doors will be open to them. Once they work two or three of those, I'd be willing to give them a shot. That's who I'm looking for.

Who I'm not looking for are the ones who think if they switch jobs every six months, eventually they'll find the job they'll want to stay with for years and years. That never happens for those guys. Never. Either because they aren't capable of making good choices, or because staying with anything more than six months is just not in their nature. Either way, those are the guys I'm looking to avoid and my one year or more per job rule gets me there.

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Thepopethroway@reddit (OP)

I didn't make you take those shitty jobs that I never would have taken. You did that. I want someone smarter than that.

bait/10

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jgremlin_@reddit

Bait? Nah, just a hiring manager dropping facts. Might not be facts you want to hear, but it is what it is. If you jump from job to job to job, I'm not going to hire you. Period end of story.

Is that fair to you if the jobs you quit were shit jobs? You and others in this thread have already established that you're not willing to be loyal to any company because most companies aren't going to be loyal to you. Why should I care about treating you fairly in my hiring screening when we both know its very likely you won't have any loyalty to me? What's in it for me? Nothing unless I get EXTREMELY EXTREMELY lucky and hire the one guy in a million who jumped jobs every few months but really was looking for a place to land and stay for the next decade all along.

Would you bet on those odds? I suspect you would not. Kinda like betting on the Generals at a Harlem Globetrotters game.

And don't get me wrong, I am fully aware that the number of drivers who would otherwise be great hires except that my method rules them out is most certainly more than zero. I'm good with that because the results speak for themselves. More than 2/3 of my drivers have been with me for more than 5 years. Can you say that about the company you're gonna quit 3 or 4 months after they hire you? Probably not.

You know why? Because those companies won't even look at anyone who quits every few months. Facts.

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Thepopethroway@reddit (OP)

You keep saying "facts" but the only thing you're doing is spouting your opinion that only "one guy in a million" landed at a toxic workplace and isn't a POS, making him an acceptable candidate in Doucheland Enterprises.

Meanwhile, this sub is filled with people making posts everyday about landing at a bad company. You probably require 2 years exp., you don't train out the gate because of insurance, not wanting to do training, whatever. You know who does? Shitty megas who abuse their employees. But according to you, they should suck it up, because you got some arbitrary 1 year rule that you pulled out of your ass.

And I can tell by your pompous attitude that the real reason is you want someone who will take your abusive behavior and not quit. Battered housewives for employees.

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clarobert@reddit

Someone who isn't smart enough to spot this type of job a mile away or at least through doing due dilligence prior to beginning work there, probably isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and likely wont be the greatest employee. Those who only have the option of seeking fly by night and Craigslist jobs, also likely wont be the greatest employee. This person has a valid point.

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Thepopethroway@reddit (OP)

The best truck drivers are dumb and don't think much. Those are the guys who stick with the same company for 20+ years.

And they are exactly the type to "fall" for this. I put that in quotes because both of you are insane to blame victim's for landing at a bad company and penalizing them.

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CapitanPino@reddit

Currently on my 3rd company and im just under 2 years in. Went from 50 cpm with maybe 2200 avg a wk.

Then did dedicated which was a whole different beast with werner. Terribly ran company BTW. Not just trucking BS.

Then went back to Regional with Crete running reefer at 0.63cpm and more miles than I can really keep up with. Im constantly running out of 70 here which is what I need to maximize my income so I can find a decent local/Regional job again with an actual good company.

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Useful_Reference_576@reddit

Pop

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CapitanPino@reddit

Cool. Without proof I don't really give a shit. They pay me on time. I get miles. And when I have the experience I'm looking for better local opportunities ASAP.

Whether the story is true or not Im only here for 2 reasons. They pay decent and they're a debt free company. Beyond that isn't my business.

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HighwayStar71@reddit

And you know this how? Particularly the part about Blue Cross.

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Glittering-Ad-2749@reddit

Some of these companies have pay rate caps. I reached the cap not too long ago with my local company after only 2.5 years (small as in 60 trucks, 52 years in business) then they started losing accounts to...foreign driver companies undercutting. So the miles were swept from under us. I had no choice, I had to leave, or I was gonna become homeless along with my family. I went from 5100+ miles per 2 weeks down to like 3000 if I was lucky. As much as I loved everyone I had to leave. They understood.

Tldr you gotta do what's best for you. No reason to hang on to a job if its causing problems or unhappiness. Just be ready for some companies to say "no sorry, your employment history is inconsistent"

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Baconated-Coffee@reddit

The good companies do look at job stability and might overlook you if you have been job hopping. Mega carriers for the most part don't care because they are used to being a revolving door and can afford to keep some trucks empty. The smaller companies do care because they don't want to hire someone that will be gone in a few months and it's a bigger financial impact on them to have an empty truck.

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Ok_Bug_6470@reddit

Actually job hopping is not a problem in hiring. Not honoring your and of the deal you have with the employer is. Also, insurance literally dictates who they will insure so they tell the companies who they will hire. That comes down to experience not the amount of jobs. Give notice, run safe and legal. Make the company money! Cannot emphasize how important it is to make the people that hire you money. That’s all people remember when asked about you for a reference. If you’re rude to a shipper or receiver or officer, you’re costing the company money. If you get a bunch of tickets it’s the same. Thing is, literally anybody can technically do this job now w the auto restrictions and gps. Not many can actually do the job and handle it. If you can show a record of you being able to do this safely and effectively then you’ll be getting calls nonstop trying to hire you on. It’s a job and a career for many so don’t treat it like a pretty girl does to her suitors when she has options. Respect anyone giving you a paycheck until you can’t then move on. Keep that trap shut. Everyone knows who is who in this business.

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way_2_5pecific@reddit

Trucking is such a dirty game. I see job hopping as a means of protecting yourself. I never in my years seen an industry so unethical.

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Tat2dtrukr@reddit

i’ve had 23 different trucking jobs over the last 5 years

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dashininfashion@reddit

Bto has hauled every flavor of dr pepper

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LeveledGarbage@reddit

Damn bro lol.

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austindiorr@reddit

Do you put all of them on your job application? I hate even doing the 3 that i have

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GreyGhost878@reddit

You have to list every CDL job you've had going back 10 years, don't you? That's my understanding.

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jarawd@reddit

23rd times the charm

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BiggHass18@reddit

I’m all for finding the place that benefits YOU however I think people really don’t get the purpose of a recruiter, it’s the same as a car salesman. It’s milk and honey over the phone it’s more like chickpeas and water when you get there. What I tell people when they get somewhere and it’s not what they thought they were signing up for. Don’t just go turn the truck in. Talk to your fleet manager, talk to your recruiter figure out what’s happening to cause your expectations to not being met sometimes a different approach can resolve the issue or maybe it’s just not going to work. Either way job hopping isn’t looked upon well by alot of good paying gigs. So before you make a move make sure it’s what you really want. I’ve always made an effort to seek out drivers from that company and approach them first before I even talk to a recruiter so I can balance what I’ve heard

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Feeling-Shock-9282@reddit

If you plan to stay with the company stay, but be advised it will hurt you staying at a job too long.

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YosyPerdomo@reddit

If the money ain't right then keep on hopping jobs until you find the right one.

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LeveledGarbage@reddit

I job hopped 4 jobs in 2.5 years, landed a fuel gig and I'll be here for the foreseeable future.

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NakedAggression@reddit

At this point, I just tell the hiring person in the interview that I have no issues submitting my notice to terminate employment at first sign I am being treated unfairly. Sets the precedent and controls the narrative.

Most employers just see us as an extension of the truck, rather than a living, human being that drives the truck. They refer to us "drivers" rather than by our names.

These companies exclusively to make money for the owners/board, they dont give a fuck about you.

You get a raise by getting a new job. Good luck out there!

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NoMasterpiece2063@reddit

My policy is to try to stay at least a year with each job until I find my forever company (or buy a truck)

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Ploddit71@reddit

I did my first for two years, a truly terrible company. The second for about 1,5 years, a decent firm but still annoying. I found the general transport issues annoying: too many people treating me badly, too many early mornings, mild potential health issues with a frequent bad back and easy to get fat. I then went to a reefer hire business where the people were nice but the way the head office ran the company made it stressful, always chasing your tail. With all the exercise climbing up onto trucks to mend the fridge units my health and mobility improved. I stayed there for about a year and a half. Now a limo driver and much happier - and better paid.

I am a euro but the transport industry is so competitive it leaves little room for driver pay and happiness considerations. I keep my licenses up to date but I hope and pray that day will never come.

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Muted_Lengthiness500@reddit

Your always a number. Company I worked at had a driver for over a decade. He was involved in a collision where he swerved to miss a deer I think on the road. Anyways he wrecked company found him and insurance liable as did police apparently. Reason being had he not swerved he wouldn’t have rolled over anyway he got canned for it after having a crystal clean record.

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LividImagination5925@reddit

i don't have issues with Job Hoppers, Do what you do man. The thing thou, you might encounter a company who is not fond of applicants being a job hopper, if you applied to one of them you might not be considered despite your license having a clean record.

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Big-Pound-5634@reddit

Idiots who stay in one shitty job their entire life hate it and say all kinds of bullshit bout it. That much I can tell you. Other than that, nobody cares, keep looking untill you find what you were looking for.

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Kernel_Pie@reddit

I've job-hopped with good reason. It didn't harm my ability to get another job. I hired on with a mega, then moved to smaller carriers, then a local one. In this sector, it's expected. No one wants to make .25/mile if they can earn more somewhere else. What hurts you more are DOT-reportable accidents, abandoned equipment, or refused/failed drug tests.

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UndeadZaroc@reddit

Job hopping looks different to an employer based on what jobs you're leaving.

Looking for a good job is very different than leaving good jobs.

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OkSeaworthiness251@reddit

The industry has been claiming down in it recently( no more than 3 jobs in 2 years) nonsense but honestly people who hop make the most money. My rule is I give my job 3 strikes once they strike out I’m gone. If I have to go to Vladimir because the Megas don’t like my history so be it.

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Naborsx21@reddit

I failed a drug test and worked for a Vladimir or two.... And Sergey.

Sergey makes you good driver. Never late. 1800 miles 2 days? No problem, Sergey delivers.

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jennoford@reddit

It’s common practice and not frowned upon.

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SamuraiJono@reddit

Don't like where you're at? Find a better opportunity? Go for it.

Now, if you're trying to get on with a super competitive outfit like Walmart or some shit, staying at one place for long periods will be a plus on your resume. But if you're relatively new to the industry and those places won't look at you yet, there's no reason to stay at one place. Like others have said, these ~~hoes~~companies ain't loyal, you don't need to be either.

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trucksarekewl@reddit

I wouldn't hire anybody who has had a ton of jobs in a short span

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SuperiorTrucker@reddit

That’s rather unfair considering how much these recruiters lie to us.

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trucksarekewl@reddit

Why would I hire a guy who's probably gonna leave in a month

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tstate183@reddit

Me either. No point in wssting my time and resources if there's a good chance they're going to bounce in a few months.

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queentracy62@reddit

Yep. Wife of a trucker. It took me a bit but he now realizes his company only thinks of him as a number and there's no loyalty between them.

He's looking for another company.

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Epik509@reddit

My buddy stayed at a job, granted it was union, for 24 years and was able to retire but started hopping around seeing different things. He always discouraged hopping around.

My opinion though, if you aint getting paid enough or you just hate the work, then its much easier to get a better paying job or better work . Sure it doesn't look good on record to have 6 jobs in the past 4 years. But if you dont see retirement, or sustainable future then why be there, or to those looking for whatever type of work . And I know thats not an easy thing and its subjective from person to person , but thats my view.

I found an industry that I like alot. I would love to find a job that pays better within the same field in my area but I dont think there is one currently . I just know, based on the last contract that they can pay alooooot more and still not be hurting. So im kinda sticking with it and waiting it out, may take a couple years to see what I need to see to have a normal life, but if It can get there then all needs will be met and ill be on easy street again.

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6834lyndon@reddit

I recently did some job hopping, but I had legitimate reasons, in fact my current employer said he probably would have done the same thing, he took a chance with me, but I have no plans on leaving him since he’s the only one hasn’t lied or misrepresented anything

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Brandonva804@reddit

Don’t do it. It follows you everywhere and will stop employers from hiring you. Three years minimal every time before job hopping.

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Naborsx21@reddit

3 yearss? I've worked for small places that go under before 3 years is up lol.

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Brandonva804@reddit

Some of the best Trucking jobs will look at your ability to stay at a company bare minimal three years. If you want to go to shitty company’s they’ll take you.

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Naborsx21@reddit

,,lol, that's just bullshit. If you don't change companies after like a year and a half because someone's offering like $15k more a year, you're just banking on the idea that someone will value your loyalty to someone else to the tune of $22000. Which is like, maybe you'll get a job paying you more than $15-20k / year more and it'll be worth it, maybe you won't. Maybe the economy will dip and everyone will kind of stagnate, maybe they'll put you in a truck and the owner dies and the great company goes under in the first month you're there and then you just lost out on $25,000+. What a weird idea.

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SuguoDerp@reddit

I think there's exceptions, especially the first year of trucking.

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Connor4543@reddit

Everyone is free to do whatever they want. But imagine a good company with low turnover. They’ll be a lot more picky with who they hire. If I was them I wouldn’t hire someone that hops around

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thebugman40@reddit

I would recommend always having a good reason why you are leaving the last company. personally I think the people that hop around chasing sign on bonuses and the sweet talk of recruiters do themselves a disservice in the long run. nowhere is perfect but if you find a place that you don't mind settling in and accruing seniority and benefits I think it is better in the long run.

there are good companies out there you just have to find them. look for companies that don't advertise that they are looking for drivers.

and always ask what their turnover rate is and how long the average employee lasts.

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Smart-Jeweler2284@reddit

I wouldn’t recommend job hopping. But then I have had two driving jobs in 32 years. Bottom line, there r problems at all jobs no matter what u do for a job. If u want to job hop go work for a temp agency.

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duhrun@reddit

In trucking I think it’s part of the learning experience for your first few years so not a bad opinion of it. When young Id even recommend it, find the best option while you can more easily.

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GreyGhost878@reddit

Sure, hop a few, but at some point soon stop expecting anything different from the same kind of company and do your research. There are a few decent companies out there and they're not too hard to find.

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Meatbuns66@reddit

Its an employer's advantage job market meaning there's an overabundance of job seekers, they can choose to be picky and seeing a job hopper will likely exclude you vs other qualified applicants that showed more loyalty in terms of time with X employers. Again, loyalty definition here just meaning time spent at an employer. Ive known many people who were not loyal but worked a decade plus at a job because the paychecks were good, and when something negatively affected that enough, they bailed right away. Loyalty would be, sorry bob we have to lower your pay and bob still stays because he'll stick thru the tough times as well as the good.

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