So who's gonna tell him?

I don't exactly understand how anything you've said makes any one of us delusional.

The fact that some minerals or whatever has been extracted since the Bronze Age doesn't prove anything. Lapis lazuli has been mined in Afghanistan since 7th century BC. So what? The only thing it proves is that international trade has been a thing since the Bronze Age at least. It doesn't prove that primitive tribes of Subsaharan Africa had any idea on how to use their natural resources or had any idea that they had those resources in the first place. I am sure you can find some exception to that rule in one of the Egypt adjacent kingdoms of the Eastern Africa but what i've said is largely true regardless.

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serious_sarcasm@reddit

Again, no one knew things like cobalt and lithium were useful materials until the last fucking century.

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Osipovark@reddit

You don't get it.

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serious_sarcasm@reddit

And you are an ignorant and racist bigot whose opinion is worth less than shit.

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boilingfrogsinpants@reddit

China acts essentially like a loan shark to these countries. They lend them more money than they'll ever be able to pay back so they default on the loan, allowing China to scoop up "free resources" as payment.

They haven't been colonized to the point of having no wealth or resources, but all of the wealth and resources that were extracted went to foreign countries. And the wealth didn't stay within the country to develop it further.

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damnmaster@reddit

Massive projecting considering Neo colonialism was the MO of a lot of countries like the UK.

Also this conspiracy has been proven false. China has since restructured a lot of the debt or outright forgiven them.

Even fucking funnier the term debt trap diplomacy has since been used to describe actions taken by the International Monetary Fund when applying for a loan with them

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-trap_diplomacy

You can read dozens of independent academic sources on the matter. None that have any ties to China. You could also read updated news sources since that original period to see what I’m saying.

https://www.google.com/search?q=china+and+debt+trap+diplomacy&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-sg&client=safari

The reason for this is much more reasonable if you have any idea how international politics works. China cannot force these countries because it does not have global hegemony. In fact, for most of the past 50 years, no one has really liked China.

More recently they’ve worked to clean up their image, this has since given them more allies. They have also gone to all these broke as shit countries that the IMF has been unwilling to fundz Why? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And a lot of these states have not been allies to their colonial masters for obvious reasons. The IMF won’t provide funds without requesting for the very thing you accuse China of or by enforcing austerity measures.

There are justifications as to why the IMF won’t lend too, a lot of these states are extremely volatile and often corrupt. Without oversight, it’s easy for the money to end up overspent and wasted.

The difference here is people don’t realise how fucking rich China has become due to being the world’s factory. It’s estimated they’ve raised about 600 MILLION people out of poverty. There are no countries that even have citizens to that number (other than India).

So all that money and no friends, what do you do? Spend money without giving a fuck. Buy up allies and reform the Silk Road of antiquity (which is really the whole point of this endeavour).

There doesn’t need to be a malicious conspiracy because the incentive to being a good friend to these countries are far higher. It’s this constant failure that is causing the united states to fall further and further behind. A complete lack of understanding of foreign policy leaving them plays checkers when China is playing chess. Countries aren’t caricatures, foreign policy in the modern day is far more nuanced and quiet (unless you’re Israel lmao)

I imagine you also believe Iran woke up one day and just decided to hate Israel and America because their god told them to do so.

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SaulGoodmanAAL@reddit

That's a lot of words just to suck CCP cock lol.

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Oh_its_that_asshole@reddit

Because they need the minerals to fuel their domestic industries back home. The income comes from those industries, not the raw resource extraction.

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Europe was already wealthy before their colonization of Africa. After colonialism, wealth and living standards shot up in Europe while the same declined in Africa. I’m not justifying colonialism, all I’m saying is reality often isn’t so black and white (pun intended lol).

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Hornpub@reddit

You can also compare colonized countries to their neighbours that weren't.

Etiopia was never colonized, because they fought off the europeans, and now Etiopia is among the poorest countries in Africa.

Same with the Caribbean. The islands that were colonized all have a higher standard of living and GDP compared to the neighbours that weren't colonized.

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Hagra2Ter@reddit

Or even better, you can compare African countries that were colonized to how they were before colonial rule.

In Subsaharan Africa colonial rule mostly lasted from the 1880s to the 1960s, so it's pretty easy to do that. We have photographs and detailed records on the absolute state of these places before colonial rule began.

Turns out the vast majority of cities (including capital cities) that now exist in Subsaharan Africa were built between 1880 and 1960 by European colonizers. That's just how backward precolonial Africa was in the late 19th century.

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CorbusierChild69@reddit

Oh yes of course, Leopold the great builder of cities in the congo

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bnipples@reddit

literally was lmao

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Hagra2Ter@reddit

Here is what Kinshasa looked like when the Belgians arrived there in the 1880s, (after the region enjoyed millions of years of independence to develop on its own) => https://i.imgur.com/6nFZCgW.jpeg

And here is what it looked like in 1960, after 80 years of Belgian rule => https://i.imgur.com/NFGFuIv.jpeg

As a matter of fact, the area that became Belgian Congo (and that is now the DRC) didn't have a SINGLE city. Every settlement was the same neolithic tier straw hut village of naked primitive people as Kinshasa was on these photos.

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CorbusierChild69@reddit

Oh yes of course, it just took the genocide of 15 million Congolese and wiling out 1/3 of the population, great price to pay for a mid city

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Hagra2Ter@reddit

I see you're moving the goalpost. Your post was about whether or not the Belgians built cities.

Now if you want to discuss the atrocities during Leopold's rule, there is a lot to talk about. The ethnic make up of the Force Publique that committed those atrocities (spoiler, it wasn't hordes of white belgians going around cutting limbs and cannibalizing people), the ridiculousness of the high end population and death estimates (as if precolonial Congo, a neolithic jungle without a single city, could have housed 20 millions people, aka more than Brazil in that same era...), the role of the Sleeping Sickness epidemics in the death toll...

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Zeus1131@reddit

Africa gets 65 billion a year from the west

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ShewBeDooWah@reddit

I sincerely hope youre joking.

60* billion a year from the west. While the west roughly receives 70- 100 billion from resource extraction such as: oil, gas, minerals, and metals. Not mentioning the trade imbalances that colonialism has set in place another 50- 70 billion to western pockets, as well as debt repayments to western creditors.. 40- 50 billion. Cant forget about illegal financial flow and tax avoidance... another 50- 100 billion to the west.

TLDR: Africa is still getting fucked lubelessly by the long 200+ year old dick of colonialism. Anyone thinking otherwise is a laughable idiot whose fallen for Western conservative propaganda or is intentionally arguing otherwise in bad faith.

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ThisUsernameis21Char@reddit

While the west roughly receives 70- 100 billion from resource extraction such as: oil, gas, minerals, and metals.

Yeah they were JUST about to learn how to do all that without any outside interference.

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darkest_hour1428@reddit

Oh so they deserve economic exploitation just cuz they aren’t using the stuff under their feet the correct way?

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offrythem@reddit

Why can't I eat your donut? You weren't gonna eat it anyway

/^ how these rtrds unironically think

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Gorilliam69@reddit

You just gonna ignore all the infrastructure, medical services, transport and jobs these "exploitative" colonials have provided?

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SalvationSycamore@reddit

"Ah, I see you have a wound. Here is a band-aid, now give me your wallet."

Western Western Western

He doesn't know the Chinese are doing it too

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_username_inv4lid@reddit

Barren of all resources

African mining industry

Minerals

Rare earth metals

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fiftyfourseventeen@reddit

The natural resources aren't gone from Africa, they are still very much there. Except now they also have all the infrastructure required to mine (and then they still didn't)

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SparkFlash98@reddit

No dude, you dont understand EVERY SINGLE resource is gone from there, theres literally no land or water left.

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Ok, say you have a flower bed with a certain soil that’s great for growing a new species of plant that has medicinal properties. You never knew about it until I approached you and gave you the offer of $100 month to let me use the flower bed in front of your yard. Then you notice I built 3 more flower beds in the same spot, repaved your driveway, and am paying you $400 a month now for the use. You have no idea what I’m doing and how I’m growing this plant, you just see lots of guys out there taking samples and running tests, but what do you care, you’re getting $400 a month for doing nothing and your driveway is fixed. Now imagine you discover I’m taking this plant to my own facility and reselling it at 1000x the cost and taking the profit. You’d want a larger cut, but you know you don’t have the time and know how to grow and process it yourself. So you now want $10,000 a month per garden bed and threaten to stop allowing me to use. I say ok, I’ll take it elsewhere and go to your neighbor’s house to use his bed that he was happy to sell at $75 a plot cause he saw your new driveway and heard about your passive income. Now you’re left with no money and an unused garden bed.

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Is this before or after extracting the countries resources?

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RawketPropelled40@reddit

You mean buying the countries resources?

Just wait till you hear who sold slaves lmao

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jarizzle151@reddit

Who purchased the slaves? And fought multiple wars to keep them.

What a stupid fucking take.

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dawscn1@reddit

which country effectively ended the slave trade that’s been going on for thousands of years? 🤔

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jarizzle151@reddit

Looks like you need to spend less time laughing and more time understanding your racism.

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Giraff3sAreFake@reddit

Ok so why is Ethiopia still a shithole even though it was never colonized? Shouldn't it be a beautiful showcase of what Africa can achieve without the influence of the west?

Oh wait it still is, and has been a shithole for 90% of its history

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Secret_Bad4969@reddit

As an Italian... We did bad shit In Eritrea.

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Scasne@reddit

Some and some honestly although for once the UK actually is partly to blame, they had to self fund a massive damn because it partly couldn't get international support because of Egypt laying claim to the water of the Nile and the UK supported it, now they are playing a tightrope between filling it quickly (to supply water for irrigation aswell as power) or have Egypt blow it up due to stopping the Nile.

Other factors like others have said although the massive population increase if phenomenal (1960-20million to 2025-130 million) when we've been told how much they've been starving for most of that period, so I'm doubting if they could get their agriculture up to peak production they would still not be food secure, (hell the Ukraine war caused food inflation in Egypt due to how much they import) basically by just giving them food and not helping solve some of the underlying issues the potential famine and loss of life is greater than it ever was.

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Dillydally94@reddit

For once the UK actually is partly to blame

I'll have you know we're to blame for most of the world's problems thank you very much /s.

If you have actual good points yeah I will, read my other comment for clarification

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ShewBeDooWah@reddit

Ok.

Your blanket statement is racist because, while not saying it but insinuating, that it's all of the peoples of Africa's fault by being incompetent morons. And using Ethiopia as an example for this because while not being colonized, you're ignoring the history and unique complexities..If you didnt mean to sound that way then i would reflect on your wording because it came off that way.

Let me dive a little further.

Ethiopia lacked the raw resources such as coal and iron deposits where as Europe had tons near ports and rivers perfect for earl industrialization. Ethiopia has highland and rugged terrain but with fertile land which is why 70% of the current population are farmers and 35% of that agriculture is their GDP. Because of these lack of raw resources they haven't been able to industrialize their agriculture which is why it's still a rain fed agriculture and has the potential and has in the past caused famine (1980s, 1 million died)

To recap, you're using Ethiopia... a small country whose borders have been defined because of colonialism and is surrounded by colonial powers for your proof of this claim... Do I really need to explain to you why this would cause problems for a nations development?

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Giraff3sAreFake@reddit

Read my other comment. I actually do agree with you on about 80% of your points, especially about the lack of raw resources, its a similar reason on why American Indians didnt have an industrial revolution and why their immune systems were so weak when Europeans arrived (though that was also due to the lack of large scale human-animal co-habitation as well)

However, Africa has a massive problem with corruption and a lack of civic sense when it comes to the government. Let me clarify it is NOT because they're African, but it IS due to a culture and mentality that is extremely common IN Africa.

Its similar to how in China, cheating in video games is extremely common as there is a culture and mentality of "do whatever it takes to win and get ahead, no matter what"

Like i said earlier, I do actually think we agree on a lot of points, we just disagree on how strong the effect of colonization was on Ethiopia

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TheNicom@reddit

So how does being surrounded by neighboors that do stuff is bad for a country? By that logic its like all the neighbors did renovations, and put up a good lawn, and made a second floor on all their homes and Poor little crackhead ethiopia enjoyed their little zinc sheet flatroofs :( buu hoo mighty evil white man did it again

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Papa-pumpking@reddit

Climate mostly.

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Drunk_Krampus@reddit

DEAR GOD! A poor country sells cheap resources to rich countries? Stop the press! This is the story of the millennium. This has never happened before!

That's true, although Europe had few centuries to bounce back, and Africa few decades. My point isn't to cuddle Africa and said it's not their fault at all, just... There were still colonies there when fucking Star Wars was in cinemas, and people here are all like "yup, they had time pick up their shit, why aren't rich now" lmao

But I get your point, maybe in 500 years they will still be poor, who knows.

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FuckRedditIsLame@reddit

Some of them were, yes. But that was like 45 years ago. Since then many of them have gained full independence, had obscene amounts of money thrown at them, wasted that money, changed their name 3 times, gone to war with at least 1 neighbor, been run by a military strongman for at least a while, completely failed to figure out how modern agriculture works despite having some incredibly fertile lands that could be the world's breadbasket, and now export barely educated young men to Europe as food couriers and taxi drivers.

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Giraff3sAreFake@reddit

Ok so why is Ethiopia still a shithole, it was never colonized and it looks just like the rest of Africa

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AzKondor@reddit

I think that having the rest of the continent being colonized didn't help them, like even poor European countries are not that bad because of rich countries around them.

But if not that, then some countries are poor due to many factors, maybe they are that not because of white men but because of corrupt leadership, maybe it is "their fault", why not. I didn't said that all African countries would be richest in the world if not for white men lol

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TwoButtons30@reddit

how come my bones dont have cancer if its in my blood

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gangrenous_bigot@reddit

Ah so countries that weren’t colonized by the West are doing badly because other countries were colonized by the West, but also the countries that were colonized by the West. That’s why the West is such a shithole and everyone wants to move away from there to Africa and the Middle East. It’s also why everywhere Western capitalism always stops producing value and beauty. Right? Lay off the meth kid.

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ShewBeDooWah@reddit

Do you not believe colonialism is bad...?

It only happened because these power hunger capitalistic elites saw foreign nations that were technologically less developed with large amounts of resources. If the races were reversed it wouldn't have mattered... it's still a reprhensible and gigantically unethical thing to do. The western world in which we live in is a system for white people because the elite who created these systems had a 99% populace of white people and they happened to follow the doctrine of capitalism. They wanted wealth, power, and status and they got that through colonialism.

Before colonialism no one gave a shit what kind of skin colour you had. Now, because of colonialism, it's fucked with our collective psyches so hard because of propaganda and anecdotal instances.

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Pizzasupreme00@reddit

Before colonialism no one gave a shit what kind of skin colour you had.

SaintCambria@reddit

The way you write sounds like a building sized pile of fully soaked rolls of toilet paper sagging into itself.

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tjdans7236@reddit

People like you truly are fascinating. You don't even try to actually elaborate on what you're saying, just resort to insults and then act surprised when others are insulted.

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Vall3y@reddit

I think the book Guns, Germs, and Steel makes a pretty good argument why. tldr Africa is poor because of geography, climate, fewer plants and animals to domesticate, more disease due to climate, and farming techniques and tools had a harder time spreading from where civilization started ("the fertile crescent") into Africa (due to reasons like the Sahara desert)

European civilization were the first to cross a threshold that allowed them to colonize many parts of the world and they still enjoy an advantage to this day, this is what I personally believe

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How much petroleum engineering have these countries invented?

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maxwellsearcy@reddit

Meticulously exploits an entire continent for a millennium. *

"Why didn't you invent petroleum refining? Idiots."

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ShewBeDooWah@reddit

Are you stupid or are you just that ignorant and racist?

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cookaway_@reddit

> a laughable idiot whose fallen for Western conservative

You don't know the difference between whose and who's, your opinion is invalid.

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BroganWebber@reddit

TLDR: If you argue against me you’re a bigot Nazi. Ethiopia excluded, name a governing body in Africa that lasted over 200 years without crying about colonialism.

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Its literally the same as giving a homeless man money. No concerns for anything beyond immediate gratification so nothing changes.

That's the comment I was making fun of.

How the fuck did you interpolate "homeless man has no concerns beyond immediate gratification" to "homeless people often deal with mental health and drug problems, and third party intervention is often necessary to fix their problems"

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You're glossing over the most important part. It did not indicate that homeless people in general won't spend all their money on drugs. The real takeaway was that the minority of homeless people who are not addicts or mentally ill don't spend all their money on drugs. It isn't really a surprising result.

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johnny_effing_utah@reddit

No that’s just not true. You cannot conclude from the study that it “indicates giving money to the homeless isn’t going to be pissed away on drugs.”

In fact, it indicates that you CAN help about 1 in 3 homeless people if they don’t have deeper underlying issues.

But 2/3rds of the homeless DO have those issues. Therefore we can’t simply “give money to the homeless.” We have to carefully screen and provide whatever assistance is needed, and MOST of the time the problem ISN’T lack of money.

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itimin@reddit

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2222103120

The exploratory analyses showed that over 1 y the cash transfer reduced days homeless, increased stable housing, savings, and spending, but without increased spending on temptation goods, and generated net savings for society via reduced social service use.

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chiefoogabooga@reddit

So they gave money to people who had pre-registered for the study, not just handing cash to people on a street corner. Obviously, those results will be far different than giving money to random homeless people, as the subjects in the study possessed enough foresight to sign up in the first place. The typical homeless addict would have been too busy trying to scrape up $20 for their next fix to fill out paperwork.

I have no issue trying to get people off the street. It's good for society as a whole. I'm just not a fan of disingenuous studies that claim to be random, but are choosing subjects who are likely to give the best possible outcome.

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itimin@reddit

>Me when I do science by controlling for variables and performing statistical analysis and then someone tells me it's bullshit because "reel life don't werk like dat!"

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Estropolim@reddit

Me when I misrepresent a study I read on a specific subset of a population and pretend the results directly apply to the entire group.

"When we screen out all the drug addicts we find that homeless people don't show any signs of drug addiction"

Thanks eggheads. Super shocking result.

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Zer0_SUM0@reddit

"Giving people free money increased their savings"

Thank you Mr Scientist, without your research I would surely be banging rocks together still.

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womerah@reddit

Increased their savings means they didn't spend it all lol

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itimin@reddit

If that's really all your reading comprehension could muster then I truly pity you.

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McWeaksauce91@reddit

1) can you please provide a source. I am not being sarcastic or facetious, I would genuinely be interested in seeing it.

2) I’m not sure how the Canadian homeless problem is, but in the US it’s going to vary WIDELY person to person. If the study includes people down on the luck, or suffering from medical disabilities, I could see similar results here. But a majority of homelessness is due to drug addiction, mental illness, or more often a combination of both.

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GillaMobster@reddit

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2222103120

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PetDivorceLaw@reddit

Nice attempt but the individuals screened are not the normal type of chronically homeless. Mental health and drug use are huge contributing factors. If the study pinpoints how the mentally unwell or drug addicts performed compared to other similar peoples, that would be a good control.

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SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit

Nice attempt Redditor, but alas, because your 30 percent of homeless people who appear to benefit from help aren’t chronically homeless, they don’t satisfy my definition of “normal homeless”. When we have ignored them a little longer, then they will be chronically homeless, and I will be proven correct. As everyone knows, 30 percent of the population is meaningless, and the problem will never be solved.

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PetDivorceLaw@reddit

Nice, attempt Redditor with 10 years and 80,000 points who actively participates on rTinder.

Let me help you out! It turns out that, you can't lump the college student sleeping in his car with the drug addict who sells his sphincter for two cents every night. Categories actually matter as "homeless" has a set of definitions and the generic one refers to people who do not have shelter suitable for human habitability. This general definition applies to many things, such as an individual who is sleeping in their car, at the park, or on the street. These struggles are usually temporary and last up to 6 months. Chronically homeless are typically the feral street matter that leave droppings and shoot up dope with their pupperino in the box.

These categories matter because giving $7000 to a chronically homeless street junkie will only create a richer drug dealer, and $7000 for a college student will give a few months of comfort. Does this help or are you going to continue embodying the Dunning-Kruger effect?

https://community.solutions/what-is-chronic-homelessness/

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token_internet_girl@reddit

I have a surprise for you about who is "usually" homeless.

It's important to note a lot of good, hard-working men end up homeless and on drugs after job accidents. When they're in constant pain for years and nothing takes the edge off anymore, they'll do anything to stop it. A lot of those schizos didn't start that way.

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PetDivorceLaw@reddit

Hi! Very cute comment and super nice of you to elucidate, BUT you need to work on your reading comprehension.

I have worked with homeless people and done research for the local government, so there is no need for you to provide this silly little note. I mean this in the most abrasive manner possible, that you are beneath me on this topic. I am very well aware of how "homeless" is defined and how most persons who experience homelessness are not bums or schizos. There is a very special keyword in my comment... it is "CHRONICALLY HOMELESS." Feel free to look it up instead of typing to me :)

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token_internet_girl@reddit

Wow aren't you so cute, being so nasty to someone who lived on the streets for nearly a year? I can see why we still have a homeless problem when people like you think they're above people like me and work in the system. Hopefully you aren't within a mile of homeless people anymore, and I say that with my full fucking chest :)

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VirtueSignalLost@reddit

Schizophrenia is a genetic disease.

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McWeaksauce91@reddit

“…age 19 to 65, homeless for less than 2 y (homelessness defined as the lack of stable housing), Canadian citizen or permanent resident, and nonsevere levels of substance use (DAST-10) (21), alcohol use (AUDIT) (22), and mental health symptoms Colorado Symptom Index (CSI) (23) based on predefined thresholds….”

If true, wow, you mean to tell me a culture with the concept of history and maintenance can have their poor lifted out of poverty with a bit of help? Wow.

You do realize that the Mississippi (and basically all rivers that are used for transportation across the globe) are only navigable because of massive human efforts to make them navigable? There are 29 locks and dams that make it navigable, and the river has to be constantly dredged and maintained so that it can be used for transport.

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Falcon84@reddit

I do remember certain African nations who removed all the immigrants/colonists ended up destroying their economies because the farms/businesses that were given to the Africans immediately went to shit because they had no idea how to raise crops or run a business. Think it was Uganda mainly.

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Garglepeen@reddit

Zimbabwe was the breadbasket of Africa.

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Key_Disk_2751@reddit

No, Rhodesia was.

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TMWNN@reddit

Indeed

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Key_Disk_2751@reddit

Lack of education to know how to fix things

Maybe it would help if all the educated Africans couldn't immediately leave to Western countries.

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Purplefilth22@reddit

Education legitimately means fuck all for two reasons:

The ones that do apply themselves to learn... Almost always leave Africa and then do ANYTHING to get their family out. Brain drain is a real thing. It goes Africa -> South Africa -> ANYWHERE that isn't Africa. It isn't even a racial thing they just see how dire the situation is and realize its easier and more lucrative to bail.
The same reasons education doesn't work in poverty/low income areas in the west. See Lebron James public school and the multitude of other celebrity funded low in come schools. The Lebron James documentary on it is actually pretty interesting.

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Key_Disk_2751@reddit

>profits taken by foreign corporations

I watched a documentary last weekend, it might be the same one you're referring to, called Empire of Dust. IIRC, it was in the Congo. The Chinese administration (who are quietly colonizing Africa, don't know why we aren't alarmed by this considering Africa's wealth of minerals like cobalt) couldn't get shit done due to corruption. The entire documentary the manager is trying to get a fucking truckload of gravel and the locals couldn't handle it.

I assume it may be the same documentary because in it, the Chinese guy insults the country, stating that the Belgians built all this infrastructure and the Congolese did nothing to keep it maintained after independence.

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lifesnotperfect@reddit

Thank you so much for this friendo, that's exactly it. I just watched the trailer and it's the exact scene I saw. Will definitely have to check it out, and love that the whole documentary has been uploaded on YT too.

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Gravesh@reddit

You're welcome, and congrats on that teenis you got.

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Mr_Ovis@reddit

The Mr.Beast wells are an amazing example. They show up with robust and well-engineered wells that can easily be maintained, and have been used all over the West to great effect. They came with manuals and teams of people to train the locals on how to use them and maintain them.

Hell

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urmomgay225@reddit

How much does the west get from africa?

no foreign aid mentioned

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urmomgay225@reddit

How much does the west get from africa? no foreign aid mentioned

I think we all know who gets the short end of this deal, if we're being honest, which is difficult for Western glazers and racists.

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They claim to be colonized yet we pay our colonial offices in there 65 billion a year!!!

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KittenEdge@reddit

how much in resources are extracted by them, not to mention that france is still taxing their former colonies

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aquaknox@reddit

the resources that are bought by the rest of the world? do you think miners are super mad that their minerals get sold? in what way is Africa better off if the lithium just sits in the ground?

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easterner1848@reddit

miners are super mad that their minerals get sold

Well the way they are sold - yes they are mad. I wouldn't be happy if only an elite ruling class (or just warlords) propped up by former imperial powers took the lions share of the wealth. All while the former imperial masters getting an amazing deal.

People aren't bitching about this because its PC bullshit. Oppression wasn't a magical spell cast by European wizards. It is a complicated system of leveraging diplomatic and economic power to subject a people, nations or groups of peoples.

darkflighter100@reddit

Africa gets 65 billion a year from the west

Africa has a population of 1.55 billion people. Simple math means that amounts to $41 per person in Africa per year.

Africa also has a population of 1.55 trillion

65/1550=0.04.

Yippee, 4 cents a person, how blessed they are as a continent.

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Komabeard@reddit

Still too much aid

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AnHonestConvert@reddit

setting aside that obviously there aren’t 2 trillion people in Africa, yeah the entire civilized world has basically adopted that place and it’s not getting better anyway

enough is enough

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Take_Some_Soma@reddit

They’re getting roads, and electrical grids, and water treatment plants, and schools. The baseline institutions needed to develop a society.

Give a man a fish/ teach a man to fish.

Try multiplying the population by 0.6

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Osipovark@reddit

1.55 trillion

it's 1.55 quadrillion actually

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NegevMaster@reddit

1.55 trillion is roughly 175 times the population of the whole entire world

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UncleTedsManifesto@reddit

The boulders represent unwanted immigrants

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TypicalMootis@reddit

I've met plenty of immigrants that I want in this country.

it's the illegal ones that are the problem

what if your government just sets bar of immigration very low? or what about if they legalize illegals? then everyone will be legal and there will be no problem right?

How are people in this thread so short sighted? Theres a lot more to the story than "well they chose to stay shitholes". I know this is a 4chan sub but the lack of education is crazy.

If any of you think all we did was take their natural resources you're an idiot.

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WorthStyle1288@reddit

Most of South Americas wealth went to Spain and Portugal, both of which are still shitholes.

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Take_Some_Soma@reddit

It didn’t go to Spain and Portugal. It went to their royalty.

In the case of Portugal, we were once of the wealthiest nation when we were extracting most of the gold of Brasil.

The problem was that we didn't develop our economy, and our trade deficit with the UK was huge.

We literally funded the first industrial revolution, and it is believed that around 65% of all the gold we extracted to Brasil went to the UK.

Economic historians believe that the general population was not better off during this period but only royal house and a few merchants and investors.

What's worst is that we lost a lot of labour that should have staid in agriculture. It created a void and a bigger dependency of foreign markets to import agriculture products.

Brasil also didn't benefit much from this exploitation and saw an increase in slaves coming from Africa.

So that Gold was one of the first cases of "the resource curse". A wasted opportunity that could have been a win win to everyone involved but only improved a few.

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BrazilianTerror@reddit

Brazil also didn’t benefit much from this exploitation

We have a fantastic Brazilian in Portugal and I love going to Brazil.

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Absolutely in the Congo. Cobalt mines to fuel battery tech. of course it's a hotspot for child labor.

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Sebas94@reddit

I remember in the early 2000s economic professors saying that the Gulf States would fall into this trap but it appears that they are trying to diversify their economy.

A modern application that comes to mind is Portugal again and it's dependency of the tourism sector. Covid should have been a wake up call that we needed to diversify but this sectors just keeps growing it's slice of the pie.

We mined a lot in the USA way more than Africa

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De_Vils_Ad_VoCaTe@reddit

Time to wake up from middle ages. Do people even know what economy lacks in modern age? It's consumers. Absolutely no one is interested in having Africa poor. Like litturaly no one in today day and age is winning from that. If Africa and Latin America became rich and started actually consuming stuff developed countries produce on mass. Not only their standard of living will go though the roof. Economy of the entire world will reach levels never seen before.

Like look around. Us is big economy because it is consumer economy, that's why they can throw their weight and slap tariffs left and right completely unopposed. China became significantly more rich than it used to be(still plenty of room to grow) and it's main market of European car manufacturers and not only them. Chinese market is the money making market for all, and it will keep growing.

Can you imagine if people in Nigeria started consuming at least half as much as Chinese today? Joblessness in Europe largely solved, that's what it means.

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Mat10hew@reddit

the image is literally right and anyone who disagrees literally just hasnt outgrown their edgy middle school phase

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wortwortwort227@reddit

Africa actually got fucked though if they lock in they can unfuck themselves see Japan, China and a less extent India and SEA. Latin America was just a skill issue.

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green_beret85@reddit

we gave Africa the equivalent of 3 Marshall plans since the 60s

It's how over 30% of the population lives though

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IGargleGarlic@reddit

Much of South Africa could be mistaken for Australia or the US.

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MiserablePromotion94@reddit

😂😂😂😂😂😂

(It's pure hell, watching "leaders" kowtow to USA psyops, repeating the same shit for over a decade.)

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Exurota@reddit

You aren't connected to Earth's crust either and your comment made me wish you would be pulled out by the gravity of the sun.

gravity gets tired

I grew up on 4chan when it was "edgy" but this shit is insane.

Grow the fuck up, neckbeards. I would take any African immigrant over a mouth breathing socially incompatible overweight autist thinking the human race was perfected with them.

Your body is [great] grandfather killed nazis. That's all you've contributed to this nation.

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JuujiNoMusuko@reddit

Thank god someone said it.

Those Latvian oppressors cant keep getting away with it

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