If they ask me if I can perform the emergency duties I'd say sure. If they ask me if I want a tiny ass armrest, the answer is no. Kind of a bait and switch.
Yeah otherwise the door would become a 110m hurdle race with a big aluminum barrier in front of it. People already tend to loose all cerebral capacity in a plane, so imagine an EMERGENCY IN A PLANE...
As someone who has worked in aircraft seating industry (past) and worked on projects with odd sized armrest, I know the exact reason for this.
My guess is that there is an emergency door there and during the14G & 16G dynamic testing, a normal size armrest made contact with the emergency door / side panels and created a load share situation. At least at one of the major OEMs, the sidewall structures cannot take load share as a manufactured design requirement for seat suppliers. If they do, it creates more work for the OEM and seat supplier to convince the FAA that the structure that is taking the load share, can take it.
As a result of this, it’s much easier for a seat manufacture to create a shorter armrest and rerun the dynamic test and verify that there is no contact and thus no load share and thus, much easier to certify than creating an applicant position to the FAA.
“I know the exact reason for this. My guess is..” do you know? Or are you guessing? How can an arm rest make contact with an emergency door when the door is situated to the side of it? If the aircraft is pitching up or down with high G force, the only way that arm rest can go is up or down. It doesn’t go side to side, unless the seat has been ripped out of the floor, in which case the size of the arm rest is the least of your concern. I think it’s that short so that people can get past without obstruction in an emergency.
There very much is an emergency exit there. Pretty sure its shortened because full size it would impede the emergency exit door from opening (They're a plug door so you need to pull them inward to remove them.)
What is load share? 14 and 16g wing loading the wings are ripping off, why would you care about an emergency exit?
At the OEM I worked at, our design requirements to seat suppliers stated that there could be no load share from seat to surrounding structure during dynamic testing.
The reason for this requirement is mainly due to the amount of work that would need to be done to work with the FAA and the manufacturers of the structures that are taking load share from the seat during a dynamic event. This can take months of work before a resolution and thus can delay an aircraft delivery / make that specific seat zero occupancy during delivery. This pisses off the customer. Thus the easiest thing in a situation like this is to make the seat manufacture follow the OEM design requirements from the get go and thus make a shorter armrest to guarantee there is no load share / contact during dynamic testing.
In addition, all seats in order to be certifiable, must go through flam, dynamic, and static testing. There is additional testing that may be required based on the complexity of the seat ( think first class / business class, etc).
Happy to answer any of other seat specific questions!
Because the parts are touching the load of the forces being applied is now shared across the touching objects, this changes calculations for forces and makes it a whole lot more complicated. Solution, make them not touch.
In addition to your question as to why we care about load share?
Well with regards to the air India 787 plane that crashed and how that one person survived. The reason that the person survived is directly due to all the FAA requirements and testing that is done by seat manufacturers for dynamic occupant injury testing. If there weren’t strict testing requirements, that person wouldn’t have survived.
Also armrests play a role during evacuation not only as they can be in the way for people pushing through exits but also helping people get out of their seats faster - significantly faster. Similar effect to reclined or not reclined seats that’s also make a huge different in the time it takes to get out of a seat in an emergency.
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If all the sound tracks you could have put, you picked that one ? This is probably the only video on the internet right now where the ''nothing beats a JET2 holiday'' soundtrack would fit perfect
emergency exit so they brung you a tray table that slots in the hole. Present day mentality, gets extra legroom, 'complains' via youchoob to get likes. doesnt think to learn.
Hi future generations, sorry i didnt do enough to stop the rot!
It's an overwing emergency exit row, if you pause at the 09 second mark you can see where there is another armrest built into the door. Sadly because of the seat pitch on that aircraft (737-800) that built in armrest is useless as it is too far forward.
wheels0132@reddit
Big_Buster_@reddit
Nothing beats a jet2 holidays🤣
BlueberryNeko_@reddit
Honestly would prefer that over having none
RetiredApostle@reddit
Emergency door.
Wikadood@reddit
Ah yea you right
Jazzlike_Climate4189@reddit
*you’re (or ‘you are’) 😉
Wikadood@reddit
Nuh, I know how to grammar but prefer to dont.
Excludos@reddit
Why grammar when no?
PromotionExpensive15@reddit
why say many word when few word do trick?
Getherer@reddit
Most pathetic excuse I've seen in a while lmfao
peteroh9@reddit
*That's the most (or "That is the most") 😉
Wikadood@reddit
Thank you, I tried my best
MasterOfDizaster@reddit
And at most, it's world average sized arm rest, stop it
thundafox@reddit
It.. it looks *sobs* fine to m..me, completely normal size *cries*
ChiefWeedsmoke@reddit
If they ask me if I can perform the emergency duties I'd say sure. If they ask me if I want a tiny ass armrest, the answer is no. Kind of a bait and switch.
Educational-Monk5745@reddit
Um excuse me that’s perfectly average.
1chicken2nuggets@reddit
Yeah otherwise the door would become a 110m hurdle race with a big aluminum barrier in front of it. People already tend to loose all cerebral capacity in a plane, so imagine an EMERGENCY IN A PLANE...
Scrappy_Kitty@reddit
So that’s what a jet two holiday is
Educational_Poet_577@reddit
As someone who has worked in aircraft seating industry (past) and worked on projects with odd sized armrest, I know the exact reason for this.
My guess is that there is an emergency door there and during the14G & 16G dynamic testing, a normal size armrest made contact with the emergency door / side panels and created a load share situation. At least at one of the major OEMs, the sidewall structures cannot take load share as a manufactured design requirement for seat suppliers. If they do, it creates more work for the OEM and seat supplier to convince the FAA that the structure that is taking the load share, can take it.
As a result of this, it’s much easier for a seat manufacture to create a shorter armrest and rerun the dynamic test and verify that there is no contact and thus no load share and thus, much easier to certify than creating an applicant position to the FAA.
nobody8936@reddit
“I know the exact reason for this. My guess is..” do you know? Or are you guessing? How can an arm rest make contact with an emergency door when the door is situated to the side of it? If the aircraft is pitching up or down with high G force, the only way that arm rest can go is up or down. It doesn’t go side to side, unless the seat has been ripped out of the floor, in which case the size of the arm rest is the least of your concern. I think it’s that short so that people can get past without obstruction in an emergency.
ksorth@reddit
There very much is an emergency exit there. Pretty sure its shortened because full size it would impede the emergency exit door from opening (They're a plug door so you need to pull them inward to remove them.)
What is load share? 14 and 16g wing loading the wings are ripping off, why would you care about an emergency exit?
Educational_Poet_577@reddit
At the OEM I worked at, our design requirements to seat suppliers stated that there could be no load share from seat to surrounding structure during dynamic testing.
The reason for this requirement is mainly due to the amount of work that would need to be done to work with the FAA and the manufacturers of the structures that are taking load share from the seat during a dynamic event. This can take months of work before a resolution and thus can delay an aircraft delivery / make that specific seat zero occupancy during delivery. This pisses off the customer. Thus the easiest thing in a situation like this is to make the seat manufacture follow the OEM design requirements from the get go and thus make a shorter armrest to guarantee there is no load share / contact during dynamic testing.
In addition, all seats in order to be certifiable, must go through flam, dynamic, and static testing. There is additional testing that may be required based on the complexity of the seat ( think first class / business class, etc).
Happy to answer any of other seat specific questions!
Bog_Boy@reddit
What’s the definition of load share for us non-engineers
TheBupherNinja@reddit
The arm rest hits the wall
PilotsNPause@reddit
Because the parts are touching the load of the forces being applied is now shared across the touching objects, this changes calculations for forces and makes it a whole lot more complicated. Solution, make them not touch.
EdwardFoxhole@reddit
you might know it better as snowballing
mrbingpots@reddit
...I think we have different definitions of snowballing
VMaxF1@reddit
You want the emergency exit to stay closed until someone specifically chooses to open it, even in a crash.
ksorth@reddit
What does that have to do with the arm rest?
Educational_Poet_577@reddit
In addition to your question as to why we care about load share?
Well with regards to the air India 787 plane that crashed and how that one person survived. The reason that the person survived is directly due to all the FAA requirements and testing that is done by seat manufacturers for dynamic occupant injury testing. If there weren’t strict testing requirements, that person wouldn’t have survived.
Consistent_Ad_168@reddit
So why bother with an armrest at all?
LupineChemist@reddit
Because it can be nice to be able to support an elbow there.
Wheream_I@reddit
What’s a load share?
Vaireon@reddit
"I know the exact reason" followed immediately by "my best guess" is kinda wild 🤣
Mai_ThePerson@reddit
I love this sub. Thank you.
noideawhatsupp@reddit
Also armrests play a role during evacuation not only as they can be in the way for people pushing through exits but also helping people get out of their seats faster - significantly faster. Similar effect to reclined or not reclined seats that’s also make a huge different in the time it takes to get out of a seat in an emergency.
fizyplankton@reddit
Why can't they mount the armrest directly to the door? I think I've been on flights like that. That way, it would move out of the way with the door
Hullo_Its_Pluto@reddit
But why is it like that on both sides?
oh-pointy-bird@reddit
For T-Rex passengers
20FNYearsInTheCan@reddit
For passengers with two short arms
silver-orange@reddit
We only see one side. The first second of the video is mirrored. We see the window side armrest twice.
Hullo_Its_Pluto@reddit
Ah yes. I is stoopid
silver-orange@reddit
In your defense the mirrored opening shot doesn’t add much other than confusion.
cheesegoat@reddit
Probably better to create a shorter armrest than no armrest at all, as having no armrest runs the risk of a normal-sized armrest getting installed.
ArctycDev@reddit
It would block the door when down.
hypervariate@reddit
Great info, thanks! But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t expecting a “and I made all that up but you read till the end didn’t ya?”
ArctycDev@reddit
I'm pretty sure that's still what happened.
ArctycDev@reddit
It would block the door.
Fauropitotto@reddit
thanks for the education on this. Very insightful
Hetman_YL@reddit
Ahhaha
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hardwurr@reddit
It's not small, it's just cold in the airplane.
CraigW96@reddit
That armrest looks like it's at least 8" long
IntergalacticPopTart@reddit
“It shrinks?”
clearfox777@reddit
“I was in the pool!”
Away_Needleworker6@reddit
Tiny armrest huge leg room
Joehansson@reddit
Emergency exit row has that
cauliflower_wizard@reddit
Darling hold my hand
Dominus_Invictus@reddit
Is this something people actually want? I find armrests extremely annoying unless I'm operating controls like joysticks or a steering wheel.
levinyl@reddit
Didn't even need the audio knew what she'd say! Great marketing btw
Tasty_Whereas1265@reddit
Looks average sized to me
Franseven@reddit
Nothing better than that on your jet2 holiday
Away-Temperature-457@reddit
I was in the pool!
Wildest83@reddit
Let me guess, that needs to be down for takeoff and landing...
angustra@reddit
It's not about the size though, it's how you use it!
EsotericMiiind@reddit
Nothing beats a jet 2 holiday
upbeatelk2622@reddit
Set to the song from their commercials :D
Evil-twin365@reddit
r/thingsforants
hennabeak@reddit
That's a perfectly sized armrest. Some people even say above average.
lechiengrand@reddit
Funny video, but downvote for that dumb laugh track - so obnoxious.
tiddayes@reddit
If all the videos that use the “nothing beats a jet2 holiday” soundtrack, how is this not one of them ?
ELEMENTSTORMX@reddit
For the last time, size dosen't matter, it is the technic, clearly the person is not skilled with his tiny armrest.
TorLam@reddit
Elbow rest !
TheChiefDVD@reddit
“Thank you for pointing that out, sir. We regret the inconvenience. But there is a $39 Arm Rest upgrade charge. We will change your credit card. Thank you for flying Jet2!”
Erigion@reddit
It's an exit row so they technically paid more for a tiny armrest
Pro-editor-1105@reddit
You can save 50 pounds for a family of four on armrest upgrades!
JoshS1@reddit
£50 per person, thats £200 for a family of four!
FragrantExcitement@reddit
Couldn't they just put a fake door decal on the wall? Then people have peace of mind and comfort of arm.
Caramel-Secure@reddit
Every time you flip it, it builds your credit card. You have to call and complain later.
EmotioneelKlootzak@reddit
* purchasing the arm rest upgrade does not guarantee the presence of an upgraded arm rest
Oli_Picard@reddit
“Nothing Beats a Jet2 Holiday!”
PvtDipwad@reddit
This is why we are saving 50 pounds per person!
xenonxavior@reddit
That's 200 pounds for a family of 4.
fallguysepicgamer@reddit
We've got millions of free child place holidays available with 22 kg of baggage included
kipperzdog@reddit
My dumb ass thought they were saying JetBlue 😂
ZiggoCiP@reddit
Of all the times that annoying sound bit is slapped onto any video, this would have been the time for it to be appropriate.
Still annoying because of how overused it is, but appropriate.
njsullyalex@reddit
It’s a bit tough to hear, but the girl says “Nothing beats a Jet2 Holiday” in an ominous voice at the end of the video
Unitedfateful@reddit
Darling hold my hand…
Padsky95@reddit
Elbow*
bisaccharides@reddit
I'm slightly disappointed that this wasn't the soundtrack ngl
MaddSkittlez@reddit
100%
Complex-Muffin4650@reddit
“Nothing beats a…”
Queasy_Ad_8621@reddit
That's for a T-Rex.
Rare_Researcher7108@reddit
This an elbowrest not an armrest
thecutepatootz@reddit
Its not the size of the armrest that counts. Its how you use it.
Baaoh@reddit
I knew exactly what she is saying without hearing it
Gramerdim@reddit
iet2 when jet1 and jet3 walk in the room
Morstraut64@reddit
Just the tip
tiffanygray1990@reddit
I had no clue that annoying fucking commercial saying was an airline. It's on a third of the videos I see on Facebook. I fucking hate it.
username-is-taken98@reddit
The only reason it can even be pull down is so you can roleplay stowing it up during takeoff and landing
XYZ240@reddit
That’s pretty average
LurpyGeek@reddit
Yeah, the larger ones hurt.
Particular-Rough9110@reddit
This is when we needed the Jet2 holiday ad background.
Fine-Welcome-1042@reddit
This reminds me of the standing plane seat
Benitelta@reddit
Elbow rest.
"And in case of emergency, below your seat, you can find your life belt."
doc_siddio_@reddit
This the one video where the "Jet2 holiday" dub over would have worked like a charm
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DrPin0@reddit
I don't think anyone pointed out so I'll just do it... Top tier laugh right there
BraidRuner@reddit
Don't tell Ryan Air
Some-Air1274@reddit
This is of course an emergency exit seat.
Dasshteek@reddit
That’s an arm, because it is missing the rest.
ThatGuyFromBraindead@reddit
👏
massivefishes@reddit
p0pularopinion@reddit
If all the sound tracks you could have put, you picked that one ? This is probably the only video on the internet right now where the ''nothing beats a JET2 holiday'' soundtrack would fit perfect
CraigT420@reddit
Nothing beats a Jet2 armrest
Inevitable_Stand_199@reddit
Is there a law that requires armrests?
LifePhilosopher4843@reddit
One of the perks of flying Jet2. You get to see the world's smallest armrest. lol
esdaniel@reddit
What is this?! An armrest for ants?!!
goingneon@reddit
Even delta beats this
FEMA_Camp_Survivor@reddit
What U.S. carriers are better than Delta?
nasadowsk@reddit
What US carriers aren't?
FEMA_Camp_Survivor@reddit
Based on personal experience, Frontier, American, and Southwest. I haven’t flown United, Alaska, Spirit, or JetBlue to confirm.
ifcknkl@reddit
Spirit
Impressive-Hold3442@reddit
Delta beats everyone. Check the profits
Large_slug_overlord@reddit
As a 6’7” person what airline is better than delta? I’ve found delta to be the roomiest of all us flights.
blender218@reddit
Good thing it folds out of the way
mrcooper23@reddit
Size matters in this case
Late_Pomegranate2984@reddit
emergency exit so they brung you a tray table that slots in the hole. Present day mentality, gets extra legroom, 'complains' via youchoob to get likes. doesnt think to learn.
Hi future generations, sorry i didnt do enough to stop the rot!
Expo737@reddit
It's an overwing emergency exit row, if you pause at the 09 second mark you can see where there is another armrest built into the door. Sadly because of the seat pitch on that aircraft (737-800) that built in armrest is useless as it is too far forward.
FLTDI@reddit
Don't be mean, it's cold!
Dry-Marketing-6798@reddit
It's a jump seat for your Conscience.
WhiskeyMikeMike@reddit
elbow rest
fenuxjde@reddit
That's clearly the footrest for the obnoxious person behind you.