Hamas confirms death of its military leader Mohammed Sinwar

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BackseatCowwatcher@reddit

it's still a war crime to bomb a hospital.

Normally yes, unfortunately that's by the Geneva Convention- which cuts a rather specific hole through their protections.

The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless

they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to

the enemy.

of which, using them as a military command post has been deemed harmful both to "the enemy" and to civilians at large- and is itself, a war crime.

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There's also the requirement of proportionality. If there as a full blown base and command center, that's one thing. If a group were simply hiding in tunnels underneath it, you can't justify destroying an aid center just to kill 40 guys trying to hide in tunnels to stay safe.

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cmonnomorework@reddit

Sinwar, his leaders, his bodyguards, oh well, good thing they all gone now, what a strike. Of course using a hospital as cover is a war crime, but when has hamas cared about that

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reddit_is_geh@reddit

There's literally no evidence of this. Israel would have presented it if they had it.

Plus they have a fucking pattern dude. THey just blew up a hospital last week because they "suspected" there was a Hamas camera based off the fact it was covered with a towel out in the sun. This was enough for them to "justify" attacking a fucking hospital to kill a bunch of journalists (how convenient), and then double tap to kill all the first responders.

Stop acting like they haven't established a fucking clear pattern of evil shit

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cmonnomorework@reddit

Yep, blow up every hamas facility, they're all fair targets under the UN.

Then maybe hamas will learn not to break international law.

Or hey keep crying, we can do this alllll day long! No shortage of shells son :)

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reddit_is_geh@reddit

The lack of humanity is the issue... You don't get this do you? You are okay with killing countless children, starve them, and destroy any chance at getting medical care... Just to kill a few Hamas. You don't view them as human, because if you viewed them as human, you wouldn't make that sacrifice. You'd go, "Yeah killing a handful of Hamas isn't worth the huge amount of innocent pain and death it would require to kill them."

That's why the left is disgusted by you guys. You guys are evil.

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cmonnomorework@reddit

Don't worry every dead gazan kid is nothing but a photo op for you hamas, we all know you celebrate each death and can't wait to kill every last jew :)

Enjoy the idf tanks heading your way, you wanted this war, so hey enjoy fucking around and finding out!

And please wrap yourself around hamas, we'll win the swing states, and continue winning this war, keep it up! Love seeing you self destruct :)

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BackseatCowwatcher@reddit

There's literally no evidence of this. Israel would have presented it if they had it.

Last month, Israel lead journalists- brought from outside Gaza- through the hole they blew in the European Hospital, into the bunker Sinwar died in

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reddit_is_geh@reddit

Showing a random ass bunker doesn't mean it's his or he was in it, much less an HQ. "Oh hey we found a bunker, this was their HQ!" Just like when they found a random calendar with random dates marked off having to do with medical staff, that they claimed was evidence of a Hamas strike calendar.

They have absolutely no credibility. Israel is constantly lying and trying (failing bad) to control the narrative. So they need real evidence, and not some fabricated version they try to sell off.

Just today I saw a fucking advertisement on YouTube from the Israeli government "proving" there's no famine in Gaza by showing open air markets, which is obviously BS. It's a country who has a strong established history of lying.

How do you justify their recent attack on that hospital? What's the excuse there? The constant pattern of journalists critical of them just so happen to be "accidentally" killed, just like at the beach coffee shop.

They always pretend and insist there's this group of Hamas leaders just casually always hanging out with journalists and they just blow the whole fucking place up then go "Oopsie"

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

can we see the evidence that supports the claim that Hamas are using hospitals as command posts?

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NordSquideh@reddit

go on google, type “tunnel under gaza hospital”, and look at any of the hundreds of articles, videos and pictures.

Then you can come back to me and say that it’s not good enough evidence for you, to which I will ask why you’re only skeptical of anything that wouldn’t be negative for Israel.

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

like this one IDF evidence so far falls well short of al-Shifa hospital being Hamas HQ

or this one Israel concedes error in video claiming to show Hamas tunnels under Gaza hospital

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NordSquideh@reddit

2 examples = solid proof everything is false? love it

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

Israel caught out in a lie yet again... boot lickers just keep on licking. It's hilarious.

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NordSquideh@reddit

and Palestine has been caught out in a lie every time it signs a peace deal.

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

and?

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NordSquideh@reddit

2 wrongs don't make 1 giant wrong and a magically pure good

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

Sorry, what point are you even trying to make. How is that even remotely relevant in this discussion?

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spacecate@reddit

If you still need evidence for that you should get your head out of the sand. You might suffocate there soon.

"The Shifa Hospital: the hospital buildings were used as emergency assets for the ops rooms of the Hamas Gaza City Brigade. Additionally, during fighting, weapons and other means were taken to the underground floors of the hospital. During IDF operations, large amounts of weapons were found in the MRI building in the hospital complex. Additionally, an operational tunnel shaft was located that contains a large cache of weapons and is currently being investigated. In the cardiology ward, a weapons storage unit was found along with weapons and an interrogation room. Explosives were located in the physiotherapy ward, and explosive and communications devices were found in the Qatari building of the hospital. Additionally, evidence that hostages were kept in the hospital was released this week." IDF

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

Holy shit, you boot lickers just deep throat any propaganda the IDF pump out. Even Israeli journalists have called out this bullshit. It's all just trust me bro but I can't show the evidence.

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NordSquideh@reddit

Ironic coming from the one who is actively disregarding evidence because “you know better”. I’m sure anything Hamas says is gospel to you.

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

No, why would I have to believe everything Hamas states to be critical of Israeli claims. This is the Israel that lied about shooting starving people lining up for Aid, killing Hind Rijab and her family, murdering 15 emergency workers, assassinating journalists and claiming they were terrorists...

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spacecate@reddit

Which journalists?

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

No Evidence So Far That Hamas Held Hostages in Gaza's Nasser Hospital

Israeli Army Claimed Hamas Tunnel Was Under Gaza Hospital, but Showed Footage of Nearby School

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X-O-K@reddit

How about a neatly produced animation of Khamas command center under the Shifa hospital, I'm sure the whole world would fall for that hasbara propaganda.

Israel has systematically destroyed the health care system in Gaza, bombed and attacked all hospitals. 33 out of 36 hospitals are destroyed to implement the Genocide of Palestinians.

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alecsgz@reddit

Would any evidence make you change your stance

Because I know your type there is no proof good enough and even when undeniable proof is shown you won't change your stance

Would undeniable proof make you say: Israel had the right to attack this or that hospital

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

I am glad I am "my type", someone that believes in the highest degree of scrutiny when blowing the limbs off civilians, medical staff, women, and children in hospitals. So yeah undeniable proof would be the bare minimum.

So what "type" of person does that make you then? Someone who looks past Israel's long history of lying and denial and gives them the benefit of the doubt to kill the civilians they have oppressed for decades wholesale.

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alecsgz@reddit

No "your type" is the kind that says proof proof proof then when shown proof you change the argument

I used to believe the conservative/right winger type were more prone to this but between the Ukraine invasion and the HAMAS loving the once "disproven" horse show theory is proven correct

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

Waiting for that proof, brother. You can piss and moan all you want but Israel says so, is not proof. If that is the limits of your argument you can just go back to boot licking and save me your big brain theories. You are playing the same broken record, the only one genocide cheer leaders know. knows.

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alecsgz@reddit

You fail at basic logic

There is more proof for Israel being right than your dumb-ass theory which in you little head says HAMAS saying how he died proves the opposite

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

I don't fail at anything but you clearly fail at basic comprehension. It is entertaining how triggered you are and watching froth about not being able to prove me wrong.

Bombing working hospitals without warning is never right and never will be. The Geneva convention exists for a reason. We are really seeing the type of person you are.

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alecsgz@reddit

You fail at answering basic questions

not being able to prove me wrong.

That is what flat earthers say so I have no clue why you think that is a flex

Oh no the id1ot is stuck in its way... such triggerred

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

flat earthers

LMAO how many more irrelevant tangents are you going to introduce because you cannot provide anything to deny the fact that Hamas have not stated where and when Sinwar died. Stating facts is not a flex. If I was wrong you would have provided a link to their statement instead of the simpleton tapdance routine, I am enjoying it and I would throw you some peanuts if I could.

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alecsgz@reddit

Again HAMAS not saying anything does not prove your idiotic theory.

Declaring the sky is not red does not make it green.

Like I said the fact that there is no proof good enough to make you change your mind proves that all your proof proof statements are hot air... just like flat earthers logic. They also love to say prove me wrong.

You are right no matter what ... so again ... pointless to argue with your type.

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

I never mentioned a theory? I am starting to feel this is more than a reading comprehension disability on your part. Hamas did not make a statement on when and where Sinwar died, are you honestly saying that is incorrect? LMAO, this is not a good look for "your type".

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/08/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-tunnel.html

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

the New York Times said that the evidence provided by the Israeli intelligence suggested that Hamas did use the hospital as cover and stored weapons inside it, however the tunnel did not match the Israeli description of a Hamas command center.

bruh...

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seecat46@reddit

You are literally arguing under an article where Hamas confirms that the hospital strike did infact kill Mohammed Sinwar.

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FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit

It doesn't, though.

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seecat46@reddit

How? Israel claimed they killed Mohammed Sinwar during the hospital strike. Hamas has just confirmed his death. Are you saying he stubbed his toe and died in the meantime?

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

You are claiming the article confirms something it doesn't, quote the article where it supports your claim.

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seecat46@reddit

Israel claimed to have killed him in an airstrike at a hospital. Hamas confirms he is dead without even attempting to deny he was killed in the hospital strike. Thus, the only explanation given by both sides is he was killed in the hospital strike.

So unless you are trying to claim Mohammed Sinwar stubbed his toe and died, this seems pretty clear-cut to me.

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

You are entitled to your opinion but you aren't entitled to make up your own facts. You made a claim and when pressed on it you have been proven wrong.

Sinwar could very well have been killed in May, he could have also been killed in the various strikes that Israel has conducted since, I don't care enough to speculate and it wouldn't be the first time Israel falsely claimed to have killed someone.

Hamas has not confirmed either way when or where he was killed, that is just a fact.

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alecsgz@reddit

You made a claim and when pressed on it you have been proven wrong.

How was he proven wrong

Israel said they killed him while under the hospital. HAMAS has now admitted he is dead while not saying how he died

Your argument of "lalalalala, can't hear you, not true you are wrong" did not in fact prove him wrong

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

For starters the poster is a she, so you are off to a bad start. Hamas did not confirm when or how he died, that is a fact, you might not like it but your feelings don't change that, sorry. You can speculate and interpret the statement however you like so go off, brother.

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FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit

Maybe he had a heart attack. Who knows. It's still a lie that Hamas confirmed he was killed in the hospital strike.

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seecat46@reddit

Israel claimed to have killed him in an airstrike at a hospital. Hamas confirms he is dead without even attempting to deny he was killed in the hospital strike. Thus, the only explanation given by both sides is he was killed in the hospital strike.

So unless you are trying to claim Mohammed Sinwar stubbed his toe and died, this seems pretty clear-cut to me.

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FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit

If you start with the conclusion and build up an argument that supports it, you'll end up at the same conclusion. Which is what you're doing.

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QuigleyPondOver@reddit

And you aren’t by suggesting he died any other way but a Hospital strike?

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-o0__0o-@reddit

Are you fucking retarded?

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

Even if that was relevant to asking for the evidence that Hamas are using hospitals as command posts. Can you quote the part in the article that said Hamas confirms that Sinwar was killed in the strike on the hospital?

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ChaosKeeshond@reddit

Surely only a confirmation that it was being used as a command post would be confirmation of that?

Sinwar dying in a hospital only proved that he died in a hospital. Yes, it seems likely he was stationed there but that's circumstantial and not the same as confirmation. If he died in a public toilet, it doesn't automatically confirm a Hamas toilet.

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

There is no confirmation from Hamas that he died in a hospital or a toilet.

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your_red_triangle@reddit

do you not how to read?

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

That text isnt in the article?

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

you provided a paywalled article that doesn't reference what hospital you are referring to in the title.

So it's the European Hospital now, this one?

The Israeli military has conceded that a video it released claiming to show Hamas-built tunnels underneath a southern Gaza hospital actually shows different buildings.

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

It isn't paywalled to me, and I'm not a subscriber. The article is about tunnels under the Gaza European Hospital where Muhammed Sinwar is said to have died. Journalists went into those tunnels. No video is mentioned.

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

It is paywalled. No evidence of a command post is mentioned either because you would have provided that, right?

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

Yes no mention of a command centre. What would that look like here? If its just a commander, a map and a telephone does that count?

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

You tell me, Israel is making the claim.

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

The OP article and the article I posted only mention that Sinwar was killed under the hospital, nothing about a "command post"

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

LMAO, so why did you use the article to reply to my comment?

can we see the evidence that supports the claim that Hamas are using hospitals as command posts?

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

Why are you bringing up command posts then?

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

LMAO are you just too stupid to realise what you originally replied to? I even was nice enough to quote the exact comment.

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

The question is why did you bring up command posts in that original post? No one is bringing up command posts but you. The first mention is in a quote from an article no one has linked to.

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

Maybe read the comment I replied to first, before exposing yourself as a 🤡

of which, using them as a military command post has been deemed harmful both to "the enemy" and to civilians at large- and is itself, a war crime.

nO onE iS bRinGiNg uP cOmmAnD pOsTs buT yOu

So again why did you reply to my comment with an article that proves my point? That was sweet of you but rather embarrassing on your part.

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GianfrancoZoey@reddit

You do understand that no one believes this stuff, and we’re actually shocked that anyone does?

They’ve been committing war crimes while bragging about how many war crimes they’re doing and talking about how many more war crimes they want to do.

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cmonnomorework@reddit

Destroying hamas in a war is quite a good thing to do. I mean understandableyou ppl keep crying about all your losses

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GianfrancoZoey@reddit

Again I should just repeat my comment above.

In the mind of a journal human being there is 0 justification for what Israel have done, and the more that people pay attention the more they see what’s really going on here.

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

No one believes what? The New York times?

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platp@reddit

The New York Times is a genocide mouth piece. Just like many MSM in the West. They keep misinforming their readers about the genocide and keep telling them why they genocide is right.

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

Which news organisations would be acceptable?

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falooda1@reddit

The ones not allowed inside Gaza

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platp@reddit

Hardly any western one at this point. The entire media circle in the West sided with the ongoing genocide. UN would be a good body to investigate and declare the truth. But Israel denies UN investigations whenever it can. For example, Israel denied UN investigating what happened on Operation Al Aqsa Flood. This way, there can be no corrections of their claims about what their enemies did.

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Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit

The same NYT that regurgitated Netanyahu’s false assertions of WMDs in Iraq? Sweetie come on.

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even_less_resistance@reddit

So if any tunnel goes under a hospital does the hospital have a connection to Hamas? From what I understand the system is extensive. Do they only strike if they are sheltering directly under the hospital? I’m kinda confused on how it works tbh

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seecat46@reddit

Built the command centre underneath the hospital to use as a shield. Connect to the rest of the tunnel network.

Assuming you are genuine (not sure), I am more than happy to follow up questions.

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even_less_resistance@reddit

Yeah I really was. I didn’t know if the command was under the hospital or if it just happened to be on top of the vast tunnel system in a way that connects it to everything?

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seecat46@reddit

According to the original Israel report, when the strike happened. Mohammed Sinwar was having a meeting in a command centre (bunker) underneath the hospital. While I obviously don't know the layout of this specific command centre, it like consisted of several meetings rooms underneath the hospital connected to each other my tunnels. There would also be several tunnels leading to the rest of the network or the surface to ensure easy entrance and exist.

This is a map provided by the IDF supposedly showing the underground command rooms at Al Shifa Hospital. The map does not show where the connection tunnels are.

Hopefully, this makes sense now.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-issues-satellite-imagery-showing-hamas-command-centers-under-gaza-hospital/

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your_red_triangle@reddit

Pure Hasbara bullshit. no actual evidence of any "command centre" under any hospital.

The new day Nazis continue to commit genocide, while people like you try so hard to provide cover for it. pathetic

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mattyandco@reddit

A prime issue is that that image, and pretty much every other image we've seen the Israeli's claim as what's under the hospital is that it's just a graphic imposed over a satellite picture. It's not actual proof of anything. For instance this picture here has just as much validity as the one you've linked to. Claims have been made that various holes are part of the a tunnel structure but then are found to be normal bits of infrastructure like water tanks and so on.

It would be in Israeli’s interest to actually show definitive proof of these tunnels and command centres being where they claim they are. To date in the bulk of these claims proof is either not presented or has sufficient inconsistencies to bring into question what the video is actually showing at all. Cuts in footage or a lack of context before diving in.

The fact that they haven't provided this proof suggests that they don't actually have anything definitive to back up the majority of what they've claimed. It would be trivial to provide a substantial uncut video of some of things they claim are true and dispel all these questions about the validity of what they say they need to do. So why don't they?

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seecat46@reddit

I think you misunderstood the comment chain. I was explaining how a tunnel command centre works. Not if the IDF claims were true. There is a reason I used it supposedly, for the diagram. Which is what I was using it as, an illustrative diagram to show how an alleged command centre under a hospital is set up, not if there actually was a command centre there. In the future, perhaps allegedly would be better than supposedly.

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even_less_resistance@reddit

Right on- thanks for sharing the info. I appreciate it.

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seecat46@reddit

You're welcome.

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

Not sure, I'm not an expert. Though I'm not sure who else would want to commit extensive resources to tunnelling under a large existing structure, then live under there

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even_less_resistance@reddit

Idk I was reading briefly about the tunnels and tbh it does remind me a lot of how the US justified not being more strategic and risking their own necks in Vietnam. Having the tunnels seems to also justify turning absolutely any building into rubble because where do they end? Not just saying in this instance because maybe the command was directly under the hospital but also at this point is there much choice if they want access to electricity and such? Like the circumstances seem weird. Where is Hamas supposed to set up at this point? Not being facetious like really- I don’t know what the expectations for military strategy is in a siege.

Anyway, I’m sure I’ll be accused of being a sympathizer but it’s not just sympathy it’s truly trying to understand what the expectations for a “moral” war are for both sides.

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

Where is Hamas supposed to set up at this point?

In my opinion: if the only option is under a hospital, then it's time to surrender.

Anyway, I’m sure I’ll be accused of being a sympathizer but it’s not just sympathy it’s truly trying to understand what the expectations for a “moral” war are for both sides.

Agreed, it's pretty hard to have a balanced discussion. The IDF doing bad things and Hamas doing bad things can both be true.

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Savamoon@reddit

I think that's fair, as it sets objective criteria for what makes the bombing allowable.

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Can_and_will_argue@reddit

There was literally a Hamas tunnel under the hospital, you can see the video yourself

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

the video that the IDF lied about and had to admit it wasn't under the hospital. You boot lickers can't even keep up to date with your own hasbara.

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Can_and_will_argue@reddit

You can see the video yourself, it has nothing to do with hasbara, it's literally in the video.

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

This video LMAO

The Israeli military has conceded that a video it released claiming to show Hamas-built tunnels underneath a southern Gaza hospital actually shows different buildings.

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illabilla@reddit

Ask them about what the Irgun/Haganah/Lehi did with civilian infrastructure. 😅

Schools used as terrorist training camps, bombs disguised as milk jugs, hospitals and government buildings used as command posts, and multiple homes used to make bombs.

The original terrorists even build monuments commemorating all of this in present day Israel. Look it up!

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cmonnomorework@reddit

Ah yes the times in 46-48 both sides had paramilitary groups. Welp your side lost then, and is losing now and still crying. Damn, aren't you tired of idf tanks?

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soundsnipereden@reddit

Why are you shifting the conversation to the past? Whataboutism We are talking present day now that the geneva convention is being exploited by groups like Hamas not before there even was the geneva convention But ill indulge you what civilian infrastructure are you referring to? Sources? The king david hotel? The King David Hotel was used as the main command center by the british forces and the Irgun even warned civilians to evacuate by calling multiple times (Hamas has never done anything like that and targets civilians directly) the british refused to cooperate and evacuate and even jewish civilians died The haganah also disagreed with and called out the Irgun so i dont know why you lump them together

But you seem to have absolutely no issue with hamas doing all those things in 2025 and us having video evidence (they even uploaded their own footage of them breaking every international law)

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ChaosKeeshond@reddit

Why are you shifting the conversation to the past?

Because 'we cannot reward terrorism with statehood' is the current narrative coming from Bibi's cabinet, making it very much the present.

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soundsnipereden@reddit

Why are you shifting the conversation to the past? Whataboutism We are talking present day now that the geneva convention is being exploited by groups like Hamas not before there even was the geneva convention But ill indulge you what civilian infrastructure are you referring to? Sources? The king david hotel? The King David Hotel was used as the main command center by the british forces and the Irgun even warned civilians to evacuate by calling multiple times (Hamas has never done anything like that and targets civilians directly) the british refused to cooperate and evacuate and even jewish civilians died The haganah also disagreed with and called out the Irgun so i dont know why you lump them together

But you seem to have absolutely no issue with hamas doing all those things in 2025 and us having video evidence (they even uploaded their own footage of them breaking every international law)

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

achieving statehood is the ultimate get out of jail free card. You can even elect terrorists as your leaders. It's probably why Israel is so against Palestinian statehood, the precedent has been set.

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Unhappy-Alps5471@reddit

The word terrorist is pretty devoid of meaning at this point, the IDF has been reigning terror on Gaza for two years now

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your_red_triangle@reddit

you'll be waiting a long time. Hasbara clowns can never provide evidence, only deflect.

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TerminalDeviant@reddit

I mean… I guess if you want to look around the crater you can go see lol

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

so nothing? I thought as much.

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dotherandymarsh@reddit

Journalist have confirmed that Hamas operate from tunnels under hospitals. It’s been confirmed multiple times. I’m not saying I agree it’s morally right to bomb a hospital in order to kill militants but we can’t deny that Hamas doesn’t operate from within or under them.

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kitti-kin@reddit

Have journalists confirmed that? I've only seen them cite the IDF as a source. I expect the IDF would say the journalists aren't reliable because they're Palestinian, but they're not letting in any foreign journalists, so there's a dearth of information.

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

They haven't confirmed anything and you would have actually come at me with sources rather than propaganda if they did.

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Adjective_Noun1312@reddit

Oh is Israel letting journalists in now?

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Boris_the_brexit@reddit

Yes, to bomb them and then call them Hamas. Everyone not explicitly saying nice things about Israel and IDF is Hamas. That tree over there, Hamas. That crying baby, Hamas. Those starving children, also Hamas. Greta Thunberg coming in with a Flotilla of food, Hamas.

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jjonj@reddit

No, they have lots of locals working as journalists for outside media

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Killeroftanks@reddit

and youre cutting the other important part, you need proof, you need to warn them and give them time.

fun fact israel has never done any of those things so its still a warcrime even if hamas was operating from those hospitals. which again we dont fucking know and likely will never know thanks to the lengths israel has gone to doctored proof.

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HockeyHocki@reddit

They brought international reporters down into the bunker Hamas made under the hospital

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Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit

A military-escorted tour around military-approved areas with no freedom for reporters to deviate from the military’s specific agenda does not constitute evidence. That’s known as propaganda.

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QuigleyPondOver@reddit

You expect free movement in a warzone?

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Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit

You’re acting that journalists have not been able to move freely in every prior war in modern history.

However I don’t expect free movement of journalists in Occupied Palestine because the genocidal forces have murdered more journalists in 22 months than all journalists killed in all wars of the 20th and 21st centuries combined

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cmonnomorework@reddit

No warning needed, esp against your hamas terrorist groups. I mean I guess you can keep crying on reddit while idf tanks do their thing day after day

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

There's no requirement to give warning under international law. If they did then they'd just be bombing a hospital without achieving any kind of military purpose because the target would be gone. The war crime is using a hospital for a military purpose to begin with (that includes tunnelling underneath it)

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Anton_Pannekoek@reddit

If another country bombed an IDF general in his sleep, or blew up a shopping centre or a hospital to kill him, we would rightly call it terrorism, or a war crime.

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Drab_Majesty@reddit

You are confidently incorrect yet again, you should probably just sit this out. I have enjoyed your dunning kruger in action demonstration but now I am having secondhand embarrassment for you.

The protection to which civilian medical units are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian function, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after a warning has been given, setting, whenever appropriate, a reasonable time-limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

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lsmith77@reddit

and then it goes on to state that whatever actions are taken must minimize the impact to staff and civilians.

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gorditopoquiti@reddit

You're trying to tell a Westerner that he should care about civilian and staff lives? They specialize in the opposite, lol.

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trump-a-phone@reddit

A “westerner” specializes in the opposite? I forgot about the special care the Hutus in Rwanda and khmer rouge took for civilians.

What an idiotic statement.

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gorditopoquiti@reddit

Of course violence is universal (to try and deny it is naive), but the West is ruthless in keeping markets "free" for global trade. The West exports violence over the world- especially the resource rich and unstable Global South. Thats the whole point of invading Iraq, Afghanistan, supporting Latin American coups, supporting South East Asian bloody dictators like Suharto in Indonesia. Don't mention the various conflicts of Africa that started because the West didnt want to give up its colonial holdings during the Decolonialization of Africa in the Cold War (I.E. The Algerian War). You get people like Cuba's Batista, Chile's Pinochet, Bolivia's Hugo Banzer, Brazil's coup d'etat of democratically elected Joao Goulart in order to (in Kennedy's words:) "prevent Brazil from becoming another China or Cuba" (which, coincidentally, also shut off market access to western companies- or atleast heavily regulated and supervised it in the case of Deng's China). All supported by the U.S in order to keep these "third world" countries dirt poor and cheap: easily accessible to American (or European and Canadian) corporations for exploitation (cheap resources like Bauxite, Aluminum, Steel, Gems, OIL, etc; not to mention the labor costs being alot cheaper and ultimately (as in the case of Somalia) selling back the developed goods (or even food) since the internal market was collapsed by the flooding of cheap American developed goods (thus keeping these poorer countries unstable and forcefully tied to America). The British did that in India too: deindustrializing, resource extraction, and reselling of developed goods back to India (usually at a higher price than what would've been made domestically); and let's not forget the fucking man-made Bengali Famine during World War Two (a result of straining the already burdened people of Bengal with British "Denial Polices (of rice, boats, and men)" to the Japanese). It's funny a fellow American is trying to tell me we haven't fucked up the world twice over, unless you actually believe the dogshit from the government lol (or you're from Langley and paid.). Literally just take a fucking Google, dude. You have the internet at your disposal, this isn't 1976 where you have to consume only US information. (You can even translate foreign language sources, if you need to) its 2025.

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trump-a-phone@reddit

I never said the west hasn’t fucked up the parts of the world. It is just annoying when people like you try to say it is unique to the west. Which is exactly what you did when you use the word “specialize”. If we just want to list shit other people have done we can but you clearly have some unresolved self hatred going on.

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gorditopoquiti@reddit

Unresolved self-hatred? Lol okay man, my argument has no chance against that

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Anton_Pannekoek@reddit

You have to use your judgement. Was it really posing a threat to Israel so that they had to bomb that hospital? It seems they think bombs are the solution to everything.

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cmonnomorework@reddit

Sorry you hamas don't get to decide whats a threat or not enough to get bombed, especially in war. I mean haven't you realized that yet? Or do you need more idf tanks to learn?

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FUZxxl@reddit

Or to put it simply: the Geneva conventions permits you to set aside civil infrastructure like schools and hospitals and to promise that you not use them to attack the enemy. If and only if you hold good on this promise, they are protected.

If you do not hold good on this promise, they are valid targets like any other.

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JMoc1@reddit

They are not a valid target.

To be a valid target such information needs to be passed to the ICRC that the target provides an immediate threat to operational security. Furthermore it needs to be shown that attempts were made to announce to violators that they need to evacuate the premise or that civilians are properly evacuated if attempts to convince enemy forces to leave fail.

Israel did not follow the law.

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FUZxxl@reddit

What part of the Geneva convention says that?

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JMoc1@reddit

Before carrying out an attack on a medical establishment or unit that has lost its protected status, a warning must be given. Where appropriate, this should include a time limit, which must go unheeded before an attack is permitted. The purpose of issuing a warning is to allow those committing an "act harmful to the enemy" to terminate such act, or – if they persist – to ultimately allow for safe evacuation of the wounded and sick who are not responsible for such conduct and who should not become the victims of it.

Where such a warning has remained unheeded, the enemy is no longer obliged to refrain from interfering with the work of a medical establishment or unit, or to take positive measures to assist it in its work. Even then, humanitarian considerations relating to the welfare of the wounded and sick being cared for in the facility may not be disregarded. They must be spared and, as far as possible, active measures for their safety taken.

https://www.icrc.org/en/document/protection-hospitals-during-armed-conflicts-what-law-says

And before you say, “this isn’t the Geneva Conventions”, this is from the ICRC which is the only NGO mentioned in the Conventions as representing International Human Rights and this all comes from case law.

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SgtTreasureImp@reddit

To be a valid target such information needs to be passed to the ICRC

that is incorrect and not part of the GC

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BigOleSmack@reddit

So what you're saying is that Israeli civil infrastructure is actually a valid military target? Personally, I think we should avoid targeting hospitals and schools across the board, but you do you man.

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cawkstrangla@reddit

That is patently false. If enemy combatants are there then it's fair game, or every force on earth would load up schools and hospitals and whatnot and be invulnerable to attack.

There's a reason why all non-terrorist nations don't do that. They're actually trying to protect their citizens.

Hamas wants Palestinians to die so the world continues to criticize Israel and provide Hamas sympathy and support. It's part of the strategy.

If the world agrees that hiding in hospitals and schools is a viable strategy, then you will see warfare have far more tragic results and prolonged conflict.

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DEF3@reddit

"Terrorist Nation" seems like you're giving the game away there. Your arguments rest on believing Israel is giving factual information about the war crimes they're committing. There's no outside confirmed reporting there are command posts under hospitals, Israel has consistently lied about the circumstances behind countless numbers of attacks on civilian aid workers, hospitals and schools. Israel doesn't allow outside and third party investigations into any of this, and if you don't question why then you're just a dumbass.

Uncritically spouting the propaganda coming out of the ethno-state of israel that is currently waging a genocide makes me question your critical thinking skills and what kind of internal biases lead you to justify killing patients in their bed because modern day Nazis told you that bad guys are underneath them, inhuman.

The UN and many other independent human rights organizations have long requested the ability to investigate Israel's claims of military bases under hospitals and have been denied. Meanwhile Israel continues to build its military basis within civilian infrastructure, embedding their military into the civilian population so that when they are attacked they can further blur the lines between attacks on Israel's military and their civilian population.

It's truly disheartening how ignorant yet confident people are when talking about this conflict. Especially when it's abundantly clear that they've done zero independent research just regurgitating whatever line they heard on the news or from their favorite pundit.

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cmonnomorework@reddit

You know hamas is crying and having a bad time when they use these mental gymnastics to cry. I mean, now many more idf shells you gonna see before you surrender? Oh well, they ain't going to run out of shells thats for sure.

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DEF3@reddit

Going by the most conservative possible numbers, 18,000 children have died since October 7th in Palestine.

What a childish display, hoping to get some validation because you want to what? Make people angry? To make yourself feel big? I hope you find whatever is missing in your heart.

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cmonnomorework@reddit

Every dead kid is because you hamas want to kill every last jew, enslave every last women. Just like hitler got millions of german kids killed.

What a childish display, hoping to get some validation because you want to what? Make people angry? To make yourself feel big? I hope you find whatever is missing in your heart.

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718Brooklyn@reddit

Are there areas in Gaza that would be devoid of citizens where they could have their bases? Genuinely curious. If you’re an invading nation, you sort of have to have your bases in populace areas. Like Napolean’s armies weren’t in the middle of nowhere were they?

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spyguy318@reddit

They pretty much were. Most battles at that time happened either out in the countryside or just outside of cities and towns, very rarely inside urban areas. Before stuff like radios existed it was basically impossible to coordinate soldiers inside a city and things would rapidly devolve into chaos; if armies were attacking a city they usually just sieged it until the defenders gave up and left. There was a little bit in mid-industrial conflicts like the American civil war, but it wasn’t until WW1 and really WWII when urban warfare seriously took off as a major field of battle.

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

There's no independent confirmed reporting there are command posts under hospitals

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/08/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-tunnel.html

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DEF3@reddit

Out of the 33 hospitals that Israel has attacked, this article about one small group of journalists who are allowed on a guided tour in which they were led to a single tunnel "near" the Gaza European Hospital. These journalists were led to a small room that Israel claimed was directly under a hospital they claim Muhammad sinwar was killed in. They were not allowed to fully document this tunnel or "publish geographic details that would put them in immediate physical danger.

Israel then released heavily edited footage of this tunnel which independent parties have not been able to verify if it matches the position that Israel claims.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cql2wvnn7zgo

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-16/israeli-video-claimed-hamas-tunnels-gaza-hospital-different/105299312

Israel continues to commit war crimes targeting hospitals and then lying about the tunnels underneath to justify those attacks.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/8/investigation-disproves-israel-claim-of-hamas-tunnel-under-gaza-hospital

As I said, it's abundantly clear that people are regurgitating whatever information they last heard from a news outlet that confirms their biases and they look completely uncritically at those claims and do not look for any additional information. Thus they just uncritically spout propaganda from a Nazi ethnostate.

"According to a statement by Gaza’s Government Media Office on May 8, a total of 38 hospitals, 81 health centers and 164 medical institutions have been destroyed, burned or rendered inoperative during the ongoing Israeli onslaught.

The Israeli army has continued a brutal offensive on the Gaza Strip, killing more than 52,900 Palestinians since October 2023, most of them women and children."

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/israel-falsely-claimed-gaza-hospital-had-tunnel-after-striking-it-israel-media-says

You would know half of this information if you had bothered to do any research instead of just uncritically posting one article you think proves your point. This is even on the freaking Wikipedia page for the hospital.

"On 7 June 2025, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) released footage of tunnels beneath a hospital in Gaza.[30] This claim was rejected by the Government Media Office in Gaza on 8 June 2025.

Following this rejection, the IDF organized a controlled tour for selected media outlets, marking the first visit by Western journalists to Gaza in several months. According to the IDF, access to the tunnel was delayed because “we had to ventilate it for a few days before allowing anyone down there,” citing the buildup of gases from decomposing bodies.[32] The BBC, which was not included in the controlled media tour, reported through its BBC Verify unit that although they identified a recently excavated hole near the hospital's accident and emergency entrance, they could not independently verify whether the tunnels and associated rooms were indeed located beneath the hospital. The BBC also requested unedited video footage without cuts, but the IDF did not provide it."

Then 10 days after the tour they filled it with concrete, sealed it off and no one will ever know if they were lying.

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

These journalists were led to a small room that Israel claimed was directly under a hospital they claim Muhammad sinwar was killed in.

The tunnel is quite clearly right next to the hospital in the photos. I'm not sure why you're so adamant that Hamas wouldn't use the tunnel as described. They can be the baddies too, that doesn't mean the IDF is good. This isn't a team sport where you have to pick a side

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DEF3@reddit

I don't see any links to that photo...

My guess is that you're talking about stills taken from this piece of propaganda, but if you want to actually give any proof I'd be happy to see it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-16/israeli-video-claimed-hamas-tunnels-gaza-hospital-different/105299312

As I've stated the entire time there's no evidence, not that it didn't happen. Independent investigations can't be done because Israel is trying to cover up its genocide.

You're deflecting by trying to say that I'm playing team sports, I have not said anything positive about Hamas and I've only decried the known clear violations and war crimes the Israel is committing. War crimes they are justifying by putting out misleading and unverifiable claims that Hamas is using tunnels under hospitals. Claims that can't be verified because Israel will not allow independent organizations to come in and verify.

So go ahead please share the photo that proves what you're talking about.

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Rafabas@reddit

You’ve posted this twice in this thread already and someone else has already pointed out it contradicts your claims. What part of this article do you think helps your case here exactly?

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

What "claims"? The New York Times went into a tunnel under the hospital and took some pictures that show people were living down there. Are you saying someone else was living down there?

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Gender_is_a_Fluid@reddit

The NY times in the article points out the inconsistencies with the story and lack of a fight in the room, you have nothing but support for a genocidal regime.

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Tangata_Tunguska@reddit

The NY times in the article points out the inconsistencies with the story and lack of a fight in the room

Yes it points out the room is intact. I'm not sure why a fight would be expected when he was bombed.

you have nothing but your own support for a genocidal regime.

I don't support the IDF. I just don't think Hamas are the good guys either

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creusac@reddit

The Rome Statute disagrees. Obligations don't fall due to presence of combatants.

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HockeyHocki@reddit

Hose shit, article 8 of the rome statute

Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives

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Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit

The only time zionists acknowledge international law is when they can use it to justify their crimes.

Like what about the gazillion other times Israel violated international law e.g. moving some of its civilian population to the occupied territories.

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Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit

The only time zionists acknowledge international law is when they can use it to justify their crimes.

Like what about the gazillion other times Israel violated international law e.g. moving some of its civilian population to the occupied territories.

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4chan__Enthusiast@reddit

Two things can be true you know.

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Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit

You either respect international law or not and Zionists have zero respect to international law.

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4chan__Enthusiast@reddit

You can turn that the other way. Hamas has no respect for International law so why should Zionists? Its a false logic that ends up circle jerking each other.

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Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit

Hamas has no respect for International law so why should Zionists?

Because you don't get the right to violate international law if your enemy is not respecting it.

But it is nice that you admit that Israel is a terrorist state and is comparable to Hamas!

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4chan__Enthusiast@reddit

I agree with both your statements. All I am saying is neither Israel nor Hamas respect international law.

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Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit

Nah, you were arguing that

Hamas has no respect for International law so why should Zionists? Its a false logic

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4chan__Enthusiast@reddit

Is that not the same thing? neither side respects international law, the argument can go both ways.

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platp@reddit

Actually you made a new claim. He didn't say why should Hamas respect international law at all. But you said why should zionists respect it.

But there is some truth to that. Demanding a resistance group do everything right while the unpunished war criminal regime again and again brutalizes their nation is unreasonable.

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4chan__Enthusiast@reddit

I was saying it is a fallacy way of thinking. Neither group respects international law and pin pointing at Israels terrorism is not going to change Hamas being a terrorist group either.

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platp@reddit

Yes but one group has all the control and the other has to react what they other does. You cannot equate two groups when one is gleefully terrorizing natives all their lives and the other is the natives having to respond in some way to the terror they receive.

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Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit

Reminder that international law must be respected regardless of whether your enemy is following it or not. A state can't pull "my enemy didn't respect intentional law" as a defense in the ICJ and ICC.

Funny how they lecture us about being "the only progressive country in the middle East" but then they have the same standard as a designated terrorist group.

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windhelmcityguard@reddit

You’re a genius. Name anything a “military objective” and then war crimes just don’t exist anymore. You can’t be as obtuse as you seem without being malicious.

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gerkletoss@reddit

It's a defined term within the statute.

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windhelmcityguard@reddit

Yes, no shit. And it relies on good faith adherence to a principle of distinction. Which Israel does not adhere to. Therefore, they name whatever they want a military objective. As I just stated.

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thephantompeen@reddit

You’re a genius. Name anything a “military objective” and then war crimes just don’t exist anymore.

Hence the utter uselessness of international law.

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windhelmcityguard@reddit

I’m aware it’s useless. If there were true, fair international law, the Israeli government would have been tried at The Hague years ago.

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HockeyHocki@reddit

You're arguing the leader of Hamas isn't a military objective

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CharmCityKid09@reddit

They know nothing they argue makes sense or complies with the laws of war their desperately trying to invoke. They are just upset that what was reported was true.

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windhelmcityguard@reddit

“their desperately trying to invoke” Based of your lack of grasp of the most basic homonyms, I’d trust my reading of anything over yours.

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CharmCityKid09@reddit

Clearly, you lack any sort of understanding if your going out of your way to play semantics due to being wrong. All over the comments flailing about defending what you clearly aren't educated enough to understand or talk about.

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windhelmcityguard@reddit

“your going out of your way” Stay in school, bud

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CharmCityKid09@reddit

Cry harder.

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windhelmcityguard@reddit

Israel has claimed its entire genocide has consisted of “military targets”. Thank god there are enough dumbass people in the world that Israel doesn’t need to actually exercise any restraint.

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Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit

The only time zionists acknowledge international law is when they can use it to justify their crimes.

Like what about the gazillion other times Israel violated international law e.g. moving some of its civilian population to the occupied territories.

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Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit

The only time zionists acknowledge international law is when they can use it to justify their crimes.

Like what about the gazillion other times Israel violated international law e.g. moving some of its civilian population to the occupied territories.

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Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit

I guess by your own definition, Israel is a terrorist nation, since their own terrorists keep uploading video evidence of them using Palestinian schools, mosques and medical centres as military bases.

Additionally, Israel also sets up their entire military infrastructure in and around civilian areas in order to use them as human shields. Why else would their headquarters in Occupied Jaffa be walking distance from a primary school?

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themightycatp00@reddit

They haven't confirmed he was killed under the European Hospital. He could have died two days ago.

So why wasn't he during the time period between that attack and now? And why was someone else promoted to his role?

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seecat46@reddit

And why was someone else promoted to his role almost immediately after the attack?

Do you have a source for this? From my understanding no successes has been named.

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themightycatp00@reddit

Do you have a source for this? From my understanding no successes has been named.

So I guess you didn't look it up at all since it took just a minute to look it up on Wikipedia Izz al-Din al-Haddad has been the commander of Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigade and hamas' fourth leader in gaza he's been in that role since may 13th this year.

guess what else happened on may 13th 2025 and who died on that dated

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your_red_triangle@reddit

ah so nice of them to update Wikipedia while staving to death....

oh wait no it's Hasbara clowns that update Wikipedia 🤣

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themightycatp00@reddit

ah so nice of them to update Wikipedia while staving to death....

oh wait no it's Hasbara clowns that update Wikipedia 🤣

Are you dumb? You could literally see that page can't be edit

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QuigleyPondOver@reddit

So you are claiming that the promotion of a new leader is just Israeli propaganda, despite the confirmed death of the old leader?

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HA_U_GAY@reddit

No. Wiki is updated by random people trying to be as unbiased as possible. There's a reason why there's a discussion page and citations are needed for posts

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cmonnomorework@reddit

Nope, using hospitals as humans shields is a war crime, but you hamas don't give a shit. Welp more idf tanks are on their way so good luck!

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creusac@reddit

There is enough room in the world for two AH. I am sure you'll enjoy watching them massacre toddlers.

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cmonnomorework@reddit

Sad you hamas can't murder and rape civilians eh? Damn idf is being really thorough cleaning you guys out hahahah

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Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit

And if the entire Hamas force was under the hospital, it's still a war crime to bomb a hospital.

This is not true. It turns into a valid military target.

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dotherandymarsh@reddit

This is only half true. It can still be a war crime to bomb a hospital even if there is an enemy command centre within it because you still are required by law to practice appropriate proportionality. The hospital doesn’t just magically become fair game. The fact that it’s a hospital as well as the fact that it’s probably full of civilians means that the proportionality calculation needs to be extra extra extra stringent in order to qualify.

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MaestroRozen@reddit

Actually, it does magically become fair game. Words of Geneva convention are very clear on the topic, and for a very good reason - if you do forbid attacking civilian objects used for military purposes based on proportionality, then you've just told every officer of every army in the world that should they find themselves in an active war they should head for the nearest hospital or a school and conduct their operations from there since the enemy would have their hands completely tied. It is a tragedy when civilians die in a strike on a civilian-object-turned-military-base, of course, but it is a rarity and not a norm specifically because Geneva convention giving no leeway prevents it from becoming the norm.

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dotherandymarsh@reddit

No, you’re wrong. You are still required to justify the strike by showing that your estimated military advantage outweighs the civilian cost. It’s not just civilian casualties that need to be weighed, the hospital itself holds value that adds to the civilian cost in this equation. If you ignore the rules of proportionality and just decide to bomb a hospital anyway then that’s a war crime.

I see people saying that it’s always a war crime to bomb a hospital. These people are wrong. I also see people saying that the hospital and the civilians within it looses ALL protections as soon as there’s military activity in the hospital. These people are also wrong.

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Oppopity@reddit

Not true. The Geneva convention is clear about the law of proportionality. It doesn't say anywhere that the law of proportionality doesn't count when there's human shields. Unless you'd like to quote that part of the Geneva convention?

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Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit

Absolutely false. Under the Geneva Convention, using a school or a hospital to conceal a military base is a serious violation that causes the school/hospital to lose its protected status.

It's called "shielding."

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Oppopity@reddit

You're wrong. Civilians always have the right to protections. This isn't void because they were unfortunate enough to become human shields. The law of proportionality remains. If a hospital really is compromised then there needs to be actual proof, and secondly a warning has to be given to protect civilians. Then of course the law of proportionality. Israel does none of this.

Article 13 - Discontinuance of protection of civilian medical units 1. The protection to which civilian medical units are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian function, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after a warning has been given setting, whenever appropriate, a reasonable time-limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

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Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit

Right. My comment was made about this:

And if the entire Hamas force was under the hospital, it's still a war crime to bomb a hospital.

Which is exactly what you just quoted and confirmed to be true:

The protection to which civilian medical units are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian function, acts harmful to the enemy.

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Oppopity@reddit

It is a war crime.

Unless you can show the evidence Israel provided that

the hospital was comprised.
they gave a sufficient warning.
the response was proportional.

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Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit

Again, my comment was made in response to this:

And if the entire Hamas force was under the hospital, it's still a war crime to bomb a hospital.

You're adding a lot of new stipulations that change the discussion...

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Oppopity@reddit

You replied to the following comment:

This is only half true. It can still be a war crime to bomb a hospital even if there is an enemy command centre within it because you still are required by law to practice appropriate proportionality. The hospital doesn’t just magically become fair game. The fact that it’s a hospital as well as the fact that it’s probably full of civilians means that the proportionality calculation needs to be extra extra extra stringent in order to qualify.

With "absolutely false".

You were wrong.

Go off, though...

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Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit

Seems like you still need to work on your English reading comprehension...

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Oppopity@reddit

You can go up and see the comment you replied to and the one I replied to lmao.

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HockeyHocki@reddit

You honestly expect Hamas to confirm their leader was killed hiding under a hospital?

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

They know Hamas will never confirm it, they just don’t care; in fact Hamas not confirming stuff like that is viewed as a positive thing by them.

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Thangoman@reddit

No, we feel like we take Israel's word for gramted too easily

Also we just hate how Israel is dealing with this

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

It’s not Israel’s word dude, this post is about Hamas confirming the death of someone that Israel said was dead months ago - which was and is true - but you just didn’t believe it until Hamas said it.

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Thangoman@reddit

Israel's word is that he was under the hospital

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

Where did Hamas say he was? Did they even say?

That’s rhetorical. You’re still just believing whatever Hamas says.

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Thangoman@reddit

I dont believe either of them until we get a proper repprt

Israel has lied constantly

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Nevarien@reddit

Gotta love the "reminders" justifying war crimes.

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911roofer@reddit

Legally speaking it’s not. Using a hospital as a military base removes protection from it and is itself a war crime.

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OkGuest3629@reddit

It actually isn't. Hospitals are only protected by IHL as long as they are not used in a military capacity.

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Neomataza@reddit

Earlier they bombed a a building for a camera. Not even a person, but a camera owned by Hamas. This is a complete farce.

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StreetWeb9022@reddit

if hamas is hiding under the hospital, the hospital becomes a legal target in the laws of war.

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ghostyghost2@reddit

Ah it's OK it's just Arabs.

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HackPhilosopher@reddit

if the entire Hamas force was under the hospital, it’s still a war crime to bomb a hospital.

It would no longer be a war crime because they are using it as protection.

The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy.

Using a hospital as a bunker makes it a valid military target.

This quote is from the Geneva Conventions, specifically Article 19 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which deals with the protection of civilian persons in time of war.

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creusac@reddit

Not indiscriminately. You need to distinguish between combatant and civilians. Can't just annihilate the whole lot for fun.

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HackPhilosopher@reddit

First sentence of the quote.

if the entire Hamas force

Those are combatants unless you want to somehow define ‘force’ as a noun that doesn’t mean a cohesive military or paramilitary group.

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creusac@reddit

Yes if all of Hamas are there and there are civilians you cannot bomb a hospital wholesale. You need to pick a method and equipment that selectively targets Hamas. The infants you can't kill. The toddlers you can't kill. The women you can't kill. The elderly you can't kill.

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HackPhilosopher@reddit

Here’s the entire quote

"The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded."

If civilians are in the building after the warning has been given. There is no protection offered.

You can make up whatever you want to believe. Just don’t tell people what you think it should be and pass it off as facts.

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Gender_is_a_Fluid@reddit

Its a hospital, many are unable to evacuate, and hospital staff have a duty to stay by the side of those that cannot. You’re endorsing the murder of the most vulnerable patients and most dedicated medical professionals.

And evacuation order has nothing to do with combatant status, its only an excuse for the attackers to try and wash their hands.

Additionally, in the scenario that Hamas is actually in the building (or below it), they can hold the patients hostage, preventing evacuation. Are hostages valid targets?

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HackPhilosopher@reddit

I’m not endorsing it. I’m telling you what the Geneva convention says. You are trying to die on some hill of hypotheticals that are easily answerable about war.

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Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit

A “warning” minutes before an air strike is not considered “a reasonable time limit”

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The-dotnet-guy@reddit

Actually you pretty much can. In past conflicts 10 civilians for each combatant has been acceptable when NATO fights and legally Hamas are to blame. They are committing war crimes against their own civilians.

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

Hamas frequently waits weeks or months to publicly confirm the deaths of its senior members, in order to let news headlines read “Israeli strike kills 5-10-15-whatever” instead of “Israeli strike kills Mohammed Sinwar and his personal staff”.

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Hyndis@reddit

Hezbollah did similar. Back when Israel was destroying Hezbollah there was a news report that an Israeli strike killed a bunch of people.

Only afterwards did it come out that it was the Hezbollah command bunker filled with Hezbollah's leader, every high ranking Hezbollah commander, and apparently an Iranian diplomat was for some mysterious reason hanging out in the Hezbollah command bunker too. Funny how Iran had a high level person in the bunker...

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